Unvaxxinated only please

[l0053g0053]

Stay wrong then. Shots didn't go in arms until after Tromps ouster.

Wrong about what? I do not really care about petty politics. So was the date wrong? It was more of a "Sloppy Timeline"

The Trump government developed the vaccine, but it was not distributed until after he ousting, I do agree with that. It is impossible to place blame on either administration since development and deployment are hand in hand.

I do not really blame the president directly for anything outside of executive orders, since he is just a placeholder for all the installed, decades old apparatus of government.

Just as the Biden administration made their grandiose suggestions of " The winter of death and illness for the unvaccinated " I do not think for a moment that Biden did anything more than sign off and do another rail of cocaine.

[Reiwa]

It was more of a "Sloppy Timeline"

Usually measured in seconds, not years.

[l0053g0053]

Usually measured in seconds, not years.

Time is such a fickle thing. I am curious if there will be a debate about, " Who dunnit' " in several decades.

" He shot the gun! Well you are the one that made it! "

https://i.ibb.co/10TNRTm/2ddy1a.jpg (https://ibb.co/Fhz18zD)

[Reiwa]

Time is such a fickle thing. I am curious if there will be a debate about, " Who dunnit' " in several decades.



https://i.ibb.co/10TNRTm/2ddy1a.jpg (https://ibb.co/Fhz18zD)

Amusing post.

[l0053g0053]

https://www.thehealthy.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/balance-quotes05.jpg?fit=680,680


https://i.ibb.co/bvYZNxm/meta-chart-1.jpg (https://ibb.co/4SCG4ct)

[Botten]

We already gave the example where the polio vaccine was developed in and utilized the about the same time period as the Covid mRNA vaccine.

The polio vaccine at the time needed multiple boosters.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3510891&postcount=1579

-And I am sure more than 70% of you have had the polio vaccine.

Shoo flies the only misinformation is coming from anti-vaxxers.

[Jibartik]

The polio vaccine had a 2+ year experimental phase.

Salk tested his experimental killed-virus vaccine on himself and his family in 1953, and a year later on 1.6 million children in Canada, Finland and the USA. The results were announced on 12 April 1955, and Salk's inactivated polio vaccine (IPV) was licensed on the same day.

Dr. Francis made the announcement to a crowd of scientists and reporters at the University of Michigan's Rackham Auditorium, concluding his two-year national field trials.

Covid vaccines were evaluated and authorized for emergency use in under a year.

[Botten]

The polio vaccine had a 2+ year experimental phase.

No. It didn't Jib.

On April 26, 1954, the Salk polio vaccine fielded trials… One year later, on April 12, 1955, researchers announced the vaccine was safe and effective and became a standard part of childhood immunizations in America.

It is all there Jib.
https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3510891&postcount=1579

[Rethalis]

Covid is a non threat to me, so no need for the vaccine. Where is the fact checkers checking my misinformation? We have to get to the bottom of this for the science!

[Jibartik]

No. It didn't Jib.

On April 26, 1954, the Salk polio vaccine fielded trials… One year later, on April 12, 1955, researchers announced the vaccine was safe and effective and became a standard part of childhood immunizations in America.

It is all there Jib. And there are two different vaccines. The one for the US was arguably more ethical.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3510891&postcount=1579

Dr. Francis made the announcement to a crowd of scientists and reporters at the University of Michigan's Rackham Auditorium, concluding his two-year national field trials.


Wrong you are

How long was the polio vaccine tested before it was approved?
Dr. Francis made the announcement to a crowd of scientists and reporters at the University of Michigan's Rackham Auditorium, concluding his two-year national field trials of the poliomyelitis vaccine developed by his former student, Jonas Salk.

[Botten]

Wrong you are

No I am not.

On April 26, 1954, the Salk polio vaccine field trials, involving 1.8 million children, begin at the Franklin Sherman Elementary School in McLean, Virginia. Children in the United States, Canada and Finland participated in the trials, which used for the first time the now-standard double-blind method, whereby neither the patient nor attending doctor knew if the inoculation was the vaccine or a placebo.

One year later, on April 12, 1955, researchers announced the vaccine was safe and effective and it quickly became a standard part of childhood immunizations in America.

You just don't want to believe that the Covid Vaccine was put in trials for 8 months and the Polio Vaccine was in trials for a year before use. And what is worse is the Polio Vaccine was then labelled for MASS use while the Covid mRNA vaccine in 8 months' time was for emergency use.

[Jibartik]

that was ONE YEAR after they started developing the vaccine. "Salk tested his experimental killed-virus in 1953"

One year later after those tests, another 1.6 million were tested in canada, on April 26, 1954.

A year after that the vaxine was litreally annoucned with a 2 year study period: With these words on April 12, 1955, Dr. Thomas Francis Jr., director of the Poliomyelitis Vaccine Evaluation Center at the University of Michigan School of Public Health, announced to the world that the Salk polio vaccine was up to 90% effective in preventing paralytic polio.

Dr. Francis made the announcement to a crowd of scientists and reporters at the University of Michigan's Rackham Auditorium, concluding his two-year national field trials of the poliomyelitis vaccine developed by his former student, Jonas Salk.

[l0053g0053]

Were they very forthcoming with all of the study information in regards to polio? All we really got was 100 redacted pages. I also have a gut feeling that in 1954 there was a lot less financial influence in the industry compared to 70 years later.

The way Phizer handled their trials is very odd when you break it down entirely. Surprisingly, when you try to find information about those mistakes, it just leads you to the current "Debunked" topic of the transmission claim.

HnSnQor8zDY

[Jibartik]

You just don't want to believe that the Covid Vaccine was put in trials for 8 months and the Polio Vaccine was in trials for a year before use. And what is worse is the Polio Vaccine was then labelled for MASS use while the Covid mRNA vaccine in 8 months' time was for emergency use.

No, I dont care about anything, Im just pointing out the Poilio vaccine was under trial for 2 years.

[Botten]

Were they very forthcoming with all of the study information in regards to polio? All we really got was 100 redacted pages. I also have a gut feeling that in 1954 there was a lot less financial influence in the industry compared to 70 years later.

The way Phizer handled their trials is very odd when you break it down entirely. Surprisingly, when you try to find information about those mistakes, it just leads you to the current "Debunked" topic of the transmission claim.

HnSnQor8zDY

Pfizer... Not Phizer

Jib you can word manipulate all you like. Saying he first injected himself and family as trials. But the reality is the trails took place in a year.

On April 26, 1954, the Salk polio vaccine field trials, involving 1.8 million children, begin at the Franklin Sherman Elementary School in McLean, Virginia. Children in the United States, Canada and Finland participated in the trials, which used for the first time the now-standard double-blind method, whereby neither the patient nor attending doctor knew if the inoculation was the vaccine or a placebo.

One year later, on April 12, 1955, researchers announced the vaccine was safe and effective and it quickly became a standard part of childhood immunizations in America.
---

And l0053g0053 there were two companies developing the mRNA vaccines. Three if you include what the US Military is working on now.

and slew of other countries and companies that worked on traditional vaccines for Covid19.

There is no secret way, and we have trails and documents just as the other companies.... Called clinical trials.

[l0053g0053]

Pfizer... Not Phizer

Jib you can word manipulate all you like. Saying he first injected himself and family as trials. But the reality is the trails took place in a year.

On April 26, 1954, the Salk polio vaccine field trials, involving 1.8 million children, begin at the Franklin Sherman Elementary School in McLean, Virginia. Children in the United States, Canada and Finland participated in the trials, which used for the first time the now-standard double-blind method, whereby neither the patient nor attending doctor knew if the inoculation was the vaccine or a placebo.

One year later, on April 12, 1955, researchers announced the vaccine was safe and effective and it quickly became a standard part of childhood immunizations in America.
---

And l0053g0053 there were two companies developing the mRNA vaccines. Three if you include what the US Military is working on now.

and slew of other countries and companies that worked on traditional vaccines for Covid19.

There is no secret way, and we have trails and documents just as the other companies.... Called clinical trials.

Is there normally a request to seal results for 75 years? For patent information? Did polio have anything like that requested for the results?


Hungry for details on Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccine? Just file a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request and wait until the U.S. tricentennial in 2076. That's the schedule the FDA proposed in documents filed in a U.S. District Court this week.

According to the documents filed (PDF) in a U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Texas, the FDA asked a federal judge for 55 years to complete a FOIA request for data and information on the approval of Pfizer-BioNTech's COVID-19 vaccine, Comirnaty.

If the judge grants the FDA's request, the plaintiffs, Public Health and Medical Professionals for Transparency, would have to wait until the U.S. celebrates its 300th year anniversary in 2076 to view the full report.

[magnetaress]

They should hand out cyanide pills for the next plague.

[MrSparkle001]

Were they very forthcoming with all of the study information in regards to polio? All we really got was 100 redacted pages. I also have a gut feeling that in 1954 there was a lot less financial influence in the industry compared to 70 years later.

MRNA stock surges on upgrade as commercial covid market opens (https://www.investors.com/news/technology/mrna-stock-surges-on-upgrade-as-commercial-covid-market-opens/)

[Jibartik]

Pfizer... Not Phizer

Jib you can word manipulate all you like. Saying he first injected himself and family as trials. But the reality is the trails took place in a year.

Do you seriously think you know more than google?

Is this a UNO reverse card?

It says it right there in the announcement of the vaccine, it had 2 years of trials lol

You can believe whatever you want, but I'd follow the science if I were you.

[l0053g0053]

MRNA stock surges on upgrade as commercial covid market opens (https://www.investors.com/news/technology/mrna-stock-surges-on-upgrade-as-commercial-covid-market-opens/)

I was also reading that because of the CDC recommendation to place the vaccine on the national children's vaccine schedule that it will avoid issues with EUA and just sort of be " Its ok guy "

https://i.ibb.co/BK9h2F4/1666115754262706.jpg (https://ibb.co/Z10Qz7H)

[Botten]

Do you seriously think you know more than google?

Is this a UNO reverse card?

It says it right there in the announcement of the vaccine, it had 2 years of trials lol

You can believe whatever you want, but I'd follow the science if I were you.

Jib you can say he injected the vaccine into his family and himself. But that isn't mass trials.

Polio vaccine was in mass trials of 1.8 million in a 1-year trial. (https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/polio-vaccine-trials-begin)

[magnetaress]

https://i.ibb.co/BK9h2F4/1666115754262706.jpg (https://ibb.co/Z10Qz7H)

I used to warn ppl. I even reported my vax symptoms here. Unsurprisingly I got them again after getting boosted--- more mild tho. Ppl laughed at me and told me I was an idiot... I have not had vax or covid for awhile now and those symptoms haven't come back.

It's quite frankly a waste of time and I sort of regret being a guinea pig.

[Botten]

I was also reading that because of the CDC recommendation to place the vaccine on the national children's vaccine schedule that it will avoid issues with EUA and just sort of be " Its ok guy "


The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's vaccine advisory committee has recommended that the COVID-19 vaccine be added to the childhood immunization schedule, a list that many states use as a guideline when crafting vaccination requirements for schools and day care.

The CDC doesn't dictate anything.

It is for the school's decision.

This is just today's anti-vaxxer misinformation trying to say that the CDC is mandating all schools to make the covid vaccine mandatory.

Government and regional governing still makes the end decision.

[l0053g0053]

I used to warn ppl. I even reported my vax symptoms here. Unsurprisingly I got them again after getting boosted--- more mild tho. Ppl laughed at me and told me I was an idiot... I have not had vax or covid for awhile now and those symptoms haven't come back.

Well, I could see it going as

dose #1 : Reaction is severe, you feel it, immune system adapts
boost #2-? : Reaction is there, but not as severe, since immune system has adapted somewhat

Then wild corona enters, body is somewhat confused, but has basic memory of what to look for, so quickly adapts.

I think multiple vaccines, at least with the different types, would lead to something similar to natural immunity.

The new booster would probably create a reaction similar to your first dose since it is something " New " for the immune system to investigate.

I never got vaccinated, firstly because I was not worried about Covid, and second because I am very distrusting of government. (in minecraft)


Watching it evolve the way it did is entertaining though. Since vaccine hesitant people are now " Flat earthers "

https://i.ibb.co/1qSzS3B/1666140967555875.jpg (https://ibb.co/cFmYmPR)

[l0053g0053]

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's vaccine advisory committee has recommended that the COVID-19 vaccine be added to the childhood immunization schedule, a list that many states use as a guideline when crafting vaccination requirements for schools and day care.

The CDC doesn't dictate anything.

It is for the school's decision.

This is just today's anti-vaxxer misinformation trying to say that the CDC is mandating all schools to make the covid vaccine mandatory.

Government and regional governing still makes the end decision.

I understand that the decision is up to local governments. Though during Covid, when the CDC recommended it, that is when everyone signed up.

Its just like a classroom, where the teacher says, " There is a stinging scorpion on your desk, it will sting your hand "........" You can all raise your hands now to avoid being stung"

Its up to the students to raise their hands, but who is going to keep them down?


EDIT within 30 seconds I think= > Its also, the CDC is the main source of authority, so they always follow the CDC reccomendation. I've never seen any state NOT follow CDC recommendation.

[Botten]

I understand that the decision is up to local governments. Though during Covid, when the CDC recommended it, that is when everyone signed up.

Its just like a classroom, where the teacher says, " There is a stinging scorpion on your desk, it will sting your hand "........" You can all raise your hands now to avoid being stung"

Its up to the students to raise their hands, but who is going to keep them down?


EDIT within 30 seconds I think= > Its also, the CDC is the main source of authority, so they always follow the CDC reccomendation. I've never seen any state NOT follow CDC recommendation.

What are you talking about Red states don't take the recommendation of anyone.

19249

you the new alphys?

[l0053g0053]

What are you talking about Red states don't take the recommendation of anyone.

19249

you the new alphys?

I can't recall a single state that did not lockdown for the initial period, Florida opened up first, but everyone still followed the CDC recommendations.

They were literally the figurehead that dictated what we were all supposed to be doing


https://www.poynter.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/AP_21027707798163.jpg

And no, I am not like that other guy at all. RIP though. *pours some redwine*

I do not feel like there is a giant conspiracy or anything like that. The only thing I can really prove is the weirds way all the world governments told us to jump while they laid down.

[Jibartik]

Jib you can say he injected the vaccine into his family and himself. But that isn't mass trials.

Polio vaccine was in mass trials of 1.8 million in a 1-year trial. (https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/polio-vaccine-trials-begin)

Dude you sound like someone trying to justify their antivax opionoin.

I dont care what "YOU" justify as a tset.

The medical history, google, and wikipedia all say 2 years.

[Botten]

Dude you sound like someone trying to justify their antivax opionoin.

I dont care what "YOU" justify as a tset.

The medical history, google, and wikipedia all say 2 years.

<copy paste because you know you are wrong.>

Jib you can say he injected the vaccine into his family and himself. But that isn't mass trials.

Polio vaccine was in mass trials of 1.8 million in a 1-year trial. (https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/polio-vaccine-trials-begin)

[Botten]

I can't recall a single state that did not lockdown for the initial period, Florida opened up first, but everyone still followed the CDC recommendations.

They were literally the figurehead that dictated what we were all supposed to be doing


O'rly?

More than Half of States Are Not Following This CDC Guideline (https://bestlifeonline.com/states-not-following-cdc-guideline/)

Love how anti-vaxxers just stick their foot in their mouths in this thread.

And no, I am not like that other guy at all. RIP though.

You sure are acting like that idiot posting misinformation.

[l0053g0053]

O'rly?

More than Half of States Are Not Following This CDC Guideline (https://bestlifeonline.com/states-not-following-cdc-guideline/)

Love how anti-vaxxers just stick their foot in their mouths in this thread.



You sure are acting like that idiot posting misinformation.

Bestlife.com? You seem like the one posting whatever fits your narrative

[Botten]

Bestlife.com? You seem like the one posting whatever fits your narrative

Is Forbes too upsetting to you too?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/suzannerowankelleher/2020/04/04/60-percent-of-states-are-not-adequately-following-coronavirus-guidelines/?sh=2e6cee782e00

Maybe another

https://www.newsy.com/stories/most-states-not-following-cdc-covid-19-reporting-guidelines/

Antivaxxer - foot in mouth

[l0053g0053]

Is Forbes too upsetting to you too?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/suzannerowankelleher/2020/04/04/60-percent-of-states-are-not-adequately-following-coronavirus-guidelines/?sh=2e6cee782e00

Maybe another

https://www.newsy.com/stories/most-states-not-following-cdc-covid-19-reporting-guidelines/

Antivaxxer - foot in mouth

I do not agree, because the main guidelines were followed. What you are referencing is contact tracing stuff, which was already hinky and difficult to setup/maintain.

I am referring to CDC guidelines for lockdowns, vaccine recommendations, mask usage. If you followed 80% of the guidelines, you are still mostly following them.

You seem very hostile regarding this. I am not trying to force discussion about vaccine efficacy, as that cannot be proven or disproven. Rollout and government/media working together can be proven though, so I like to focus on that.

Throwing around " anti-vaxxer " is very biased and rude. That is a dehumanizing term and there is no excuse for someone understanding what that implies to use it in a derogatory fashion. That is very insulting and shows what kind of person you are. You are just cherry-picking anything that fits, then labeling anyone who disagrees as a psychopath.

Please check yourself before you expect anymore interactions. Thanks.

[Jibartik]

<copy paste because you know you are wrong.>

Jib you can say he injected the vaccine into his family and himself. But that isn't mass trials.

Polio vaccine was in mass trials of 1.8 million in a 1-year trial. (https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/polio-vaccine-trials-begin)

I suggest if your witch doctor theory is correct you contact google and update the wikipedia.

Because all I am doing is quoting them. Quoting the trial report of the vaccine.

[magnetaress]

I'm not ok with forcing ppl to take vaccines.

[Jibartik]

The first successful demonstration of a polio vaccine was by Hilary Koprowski in 1950, with a live attenuated virus which people drank. The vaccine was not approved for use in the United States, but was used successfully elsewhere.

Not only that, but vaccines for polio were in development since 1950

It's silly to try to compare the two because covid was an emergency, and the first of its kind, and had 8 months of trials.

AND if your logic is, "well the polio vaccine worked, so something totally different will work no reason to question it" doesn't really show that you have a very high INT

[Botten]

I do not agree, because the main guidelines were followed. What you are referencing is contact tracing stuff, which was already hinky and difficult to setup/maintain.

I am referring to CDC guidelines for lockdowns, vaccine recommendations, mask usage. If you followed 80% of the guidelines, you are still mostly following them.

You seem very hostile regarding this. I am not trying to force discussion about vaccine efficacy, as that cannot be proven or disproven. Rollout and government/media working together can be proven though, so I like to focus on that.

Throwing around " anti-vaxxer " is very biased and rude. That is a dehumanizing term and there is no excuse for someone understanding what that implies to use it in a derogatory fashion. That is very insulting and shows what kind of person you are. You are just cherry-picking anything that fits, then labeling anyone who disagrees as a psychopath.

Please check yourself before you expect anymore interactions. Thanks.

You are making up information like a good anti-vaxxer.

CDC guidelines for lockdowns, vaccine recommendations, mask usage. ... 80% of the guidelines followed.

Links.. you have shown you don't have common sense that can be counted on.

You are an anti-vaxxer posting misinformation it is as simple as that. Who knows maybe you will get banned.

[Botten]

Not only that, but vaccines for polio were in development since 1950

It's silly to try to compare the two because covid was an emergency, and the first of its kind, and had 8 months of trials.

AND if your logic is, "well the polio vaccine worked, so something totally different will work no reason to question it" doesn't really show that you have a very high INT

It is silly not to compare the two vaccines when the trial period for the polio vaccine (Not when it was developed, since other SARS like vaccines have also been made before-2004 just as in your example (https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2004/12/niaid-starts-first-us-human-trial-sars-vaccine)) and the trial period for the Covid19 mRNA vaccine were almost the same time period.

And the polio vaccine then needed several boosters.

[Reiwa]

I'm not ok with forcing ppl to take vaccines.

I have good news for you then.

[magnetaress]

I have good news for you then.

I'm also not a fan of punishing those who don't get vaxxed.

[Reiwa]

I'm also not a fan of punishing those who don't get vaxxed.

What makes you think it's a punishment?

[magnetaress]

What makes you think it's a punishment?

Unvaxxed is the new black man.

[Reiwa]

Unvaxxed is the new black man.

You think being black is a punishment then. :(

[magnetaress]

You think being black is a punishment then. :(

It wasn't a punishment. It was however punished. Still is actually. Black vets are disproportionately malpracticed and cop suicided still.

It's a gift tho from my perspective.

[patrick210]

Give it up, trying to convince someone that their irreversible actions were wrong is futile.
It's like a tattoo , people will fight to justify the reason they got it instead of just admitting it was a bad decision. Once you're falling off the cliff, it's already too late for you, pulling others down usually the last resort of self validation. You should be telling others to not jump , guess misery needs company. You still have the choice , they don't and hate that fact.

What quota is ideal to quit trying to convince others ? Focus on where you relate rather than differ, it's how you make friends rather than enemies.

Just move on.

[Reiwa]

You still have the choice, they don't and hate that fact.

Does that necessarily mean the choice was wrong?

[Jibartik]

It is silly not to compare the two vaccines when the trial period for the polio vaccine (Not when it was developed, since other SARS like vaccines have also been made before-2004 just as in your example (https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2004/12/niaid-starts-first-us-human-trial-sars-vaccine)) and the trial period for the Covid19 mRNA vaccine were almost the same time period.

And the polio vaccine then needed several boosters.

look.

If you made a youtube video

under it would be a little disclaimer that says,

https://i.imgur.com/oyOzCP1.png

[Botten]

Give it up, trying to convince someone that their irreversible actions were wrong is futile.
It's like a tattoo , people will fight to justify the reason they got it instead of just admitting it was a bad decision. Once you're falling off the cliff, it's already too late for you, pulling others down usually the last resort of self validation. You should be telling others to not jump , guess misery needs company. You still have the choice , they don't and hate that fact.

What quota is ideal to quit trying to convince others ? Focus on where you relate rather than differ, it's how you make friends rather than enemies.

Just move on.

Or you have a passion for what you worked on selflessly to save others?

Some people are trying to save the world as others want to watch it burn thinking they were doing the right thing the whole time (saving no one and helping to kill others)

[l0053g0053]

Who knows maybe you will get banned.

What?

[Danth]

Some people are trying to save the world

Had to quote this because it's the most absurd fantasy I've read this week. Covid is not nor ever was an existential threat to the species or our nation. If there was a threat it was in the mass-panic and hysteria generated by government propaganda and spread by their sychophant lapdogs.

[Jibartik]

I'm pretty sure hitler was talking about saving the world but I dont speak German.

[l0053g0053]

He really pushed the classic, " Those guys; Your shit! " as far as it could go.

[Jibartik]

Kanye west at salesforce conference. (https://youtu.be/LYyZqlyDEL4?t=30)

[Botten]

Had to quote this because it's the most absurd fantasy I've read this week. Covid is not nor ever was an existential threat to the species or our nation. If there was a threat it was in the mass-panic and hysteria generated by government propaganda and spread by their sychophant lapdogs.

A pandemic that cause a lose of 16 Trillion in the economy

Ruined supply and demand we are still suffering from

6.58 million dead from Covid worldwide

Others have long lasting affects for some who survive it

That wasnÂ’t a threat?

Covid easily jumps many mammal species.

You know that there was a pandemic that affected nearly all mammals for 15 million years.

Hell there was pandemic that made the primates in a small branch of our lineage just 40 million years ago lose the one protein all other mammals had. A protein used in mammals bodies to recognize most foreign invaders. This virus was so devastating that only a handful of those few primates that had the gene to deactivate alpha-gal survived. (https://youtu.be/KT44K_MRyQc)

So yes a pandemic should be taken seriously. And yes Covid could mutate to something more dangerous with the right viral recombination - when two viruses share DNA to possibly make a worse virus. This has already happened with Covid once hence the name SARS-COV2. Two different viruses swapping DNA to make a much more deadly virus.

[Rethalis]

A pandemic that cause a lose of 16 Trillion in the economy

Ruined supply and demand we are still suffering from

6.58 million dead from Covid worldwide

Others have long lasting affects for some who survive it

That wasnÂ’t a threat?

Covid easily jumps many mammal species.

You know that there was a pandemic that affected nearly all mammals for 15 million years.

Hell there was pandemic that made the primates in a small branch of our lineage just 40 million years ago lose the one protein all other mammals had. A protein used in mammals bodies to recognize most foreign invaders. This virus was so devastating that only a handful of those few primates that had the gene to deactivate alpha-gal survived. (https://youtu.be/KT44K_MRyQc)

So yes a pandemic should be taken seriously. And yes Covid could mutate to something more dangerous with the right viral recombination - when two viruses share DNA to possibly make a worse virus. This has already happened with Covid once hence the name SARS-COV2. Two different viruses swapping DNA to make a much more deadly virus.

democrat response to covid caused all that.

[Botten]

democrat response to covid caused all that.

Nah it was Trump administration mismanagement.

Hell the Obama administration briefed the Trump administration that a pandemic could happen being a nation wide event. It was just one of five and the Trump administration label Covid a democrat hoax that would go away in a week.

How can you Trumptards be this wrong all the time? Your kinfolk and military right wing posturing has brainwashed the hell out of you all.

[Rethalis]

Nah it was Trump administration mismanagement.

Hell the Obama administration briefed the Trump administration that a pandemic could happen being a nation wide event. It was just one of five and the Trump administration label Covid a democrat hoax that would go away in a week.

How can you Trumptard be this wrong all the time?

dems were the ones threatening fines and jail time and shit for people wanting to just go to work to put food on the table. All the dems went full authoritarian for no reason and fucked the economy as a result. Its not the ebola virus like you think it is.

[Danth]

That wasnÂ’t a threat?

You didn't say "threat." If you had, I would not have posted. You said some silliness about "saving the world." That's absurd! Even if you believe the likely-inflated official numbers, your own death count does not even approach one in a thousand globally (and, that, mostly feeble old people who were already on death's doorstep). That is not an existential threat to the species. The freaking Black Death killed half of europe and it was not an existential threat to the species or to the world. Heck even the affected nation-states mostly survived.

In so many words I'm saying, don't be a Chicken-Little. Keep things in perspective. Avoid the temptation to blow things out of all proportion. That type of scaremongering was what drove the over-reactions which led to the economic effects you described. It did not have to be that way and could have--should have--been handled better. Covid was bad, but was at no point a threat to our world, species, or nation.

Don't bother talking about what-ifs or mights. That's blatant fearmongering. We've been living with mights and what-ifs should some virus decide to mutate the right way since the species has existed. If it happens, it happens, but until then it's not real and not something to lose sleep or trash your way of life over.

[Botten]

dems were the ones threatening fines and jail time and shit for people wanting to just go to work to put food on the table. All the dems went full authoritarian for no reason and fucked the economy as a result. Its not the ebola virus like you think it is.

No because Ebola was tactically already handled by the Obama administration if you forgot. It was plastered on wall to all coverage that Ebola was coming to the US. But no, the right management prevented a HUGE African pandemic becoming a problem in the US. Alone with H1N1, another nastier than Covid virus again was managed correctly by the Obama administration.

Trump’s administration’s mismanagement and messed up the economy, locked you in doors and caused all of these problems. Sweden didn’t not lock down and that just led to more deaths. After they learned this they locked down their population.
Trump administration had plenty of time to react.

But as Jared (Trump’s son in law) who headed the response said stupidly who cares it is only affecting blue states.

So yes you very much have Trump, his administration and the voters who voted for Trump to blame.

[Botten]

You didn't say "threat." If you had, I would not have posted. You said some silliness about "saving the world." That's absurd! Even if you believe the likely-inflated official numbers, your own death count does not even approach one in a thousand globally (and, that, mostly feeble old people who were already on death's doorstep). That is not an existential threat to the species. The freaking Black Death killed half of europe and it was not an existential threat to the species or to the world. Heck even the affected nation-states mostly survived.

In so many words I'm saying, don't be a Chicken-Little. Keep things in perspective. Avoid the temptation to blow things out of all proportion. That type of scaremongering was what drove the over-reactions which led to the economic effects you described. It did not have to be that way and could have--should have--been handled better. Covid was bad, but was at no point a threat to our world, species, or nation.

Don't bother talking about what-ifs or mights. That's blatant fearmongering. We've been living with mights and what-ifs should some virus decide to mutate the right way since the species has existed. If it happens, it happens, but until then it's not real and not something to lose sleep or trash your way of life over.

I didn’t speak of what ifs.

- there was a pandemic that lasted 15 million years that affected most mammals.

- there was a pandemic that left a handful of our closest primate relatives to be the only survivors.

- and viral recombination has happened with Covid and could happen again making a much more deadlier virus.

[Danth]

I didn’t speak of what ifs.

And yes Covid could mutate to something more dangerous with the right viral recombination .

That is a "what if."

(edit) Just call a duck a duck, okay? Don't need the hyperbole. We were dealing with a moderate problem that was grossly mismanaged and became worse than what it needed to be. We were not dealing with a nation-destroying superplague. Calling it that only serves to make it more likely nobody will heed the warnings should such a superplague ever actually arise.

[Botten]

That is a "what if."

(edit) Just call a duck a duck, okay? Don't need the hyperbole. We were dealing with a moderate problem that was grossly mismanaged and became worse than what it needed to be. We were not dealing with a nation-destroying superplague. Calling it that only serves to make it more likely nobody will heed the warnings should such a superplague ever actually arise.

CoVid19 or the SARS-COV2 is an example of a viral recombination that has already occurred. This is not a what if it happened.

[Danth]

CoVid19 or the SARS-COV2 is an example of a viral recombination that has already occurred. This is not a what if it happened.

Correct. You were what-iffing that it could mutate further and become an existential threat. At present, it is no such thing and has not been at any point thus far.

Anyhow, g'night. I'll check back tomorrow but really we should be able to let this one drop. I only took issue with your description, not with the basic facts, and that's been addressed satisfactorily.

[Jibartik]

Covid did mutate to something more dangerous thanks to more stupid minions of satan (I hope it gets out I hope it gets out I hope it gets out)

80% kill rate (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.10.13.512134v1.full)

[Patrece]

Botten here damaged his brain in a nose picking accident as a child. If you post in this thread he will try to get you banned for showing how stupid he was in hindsight trying to fear monger people.

[Rethalis]

No because Ebola was tactically already handled by the Obama administration if you forgot. It was plastered on wall to all coverage that Ebola was coming to the US. But no, the right management prevented a HUGE African pandemic becoming a problem in the US. Alone with H1N1, another nastier than Covid virus again was managed correctly by the Obama administration.

Trump’s administration’s mismanagement and messed up the economy, locked you in doors and caused all of these problems. Sweden didn’t not lock down and that just led to more deaths. After they learned this they locked down their population.
Trump administration had plenty of time to react.

But as Jared (Trump’s son in law) who headed the response said stupidly who cares it is only affecting blue states.

So yes you very much have Trump, his administration and the voters who voted for Trump to blame.

Tds on full display. Last I checked trump left it purposely up to the state's and cities. Then the dems in blue states and cities promptly fucked it up. Stop making shit up I live in a blue city in a blue state.

Thanks dems for wrecking the economy.

[l0053g0053]

Are people being murdered in this thread for shitposting or posting " Misinformation " It really seems like a concentrated effort to immediately sideline any discussion.

https://i.ibb.co/881zFYg/1666186514565740.jpg (https://ibb.co/4NhsB1R)

[Basanos]

that person should give paulo freire credit if they are gonna quote him

also, people aren't getting banned for vaccine misinformation, afaik that isn't bannable

[l0053g0053]

I don't share my unvaxxed status with anyone IRL. I just got a pretty decent job (25/hr) and I had to play along the entire time. It has been so long they had no idea I was an "untouchable" they just said, " Everyone here is vaccinated and up to date, we like to keep it that way. " I immediately went into a tangent about how backwards some people were and spouted a few random points about trusting science and asked about their mask policy to change the subject. " We are all vaccinated, so no more masks! "

https://i.ibb.co/d7FKs74/1666431262562549.jpg (https://ibb.co/g6Ngb6Z)

[Basanos]

I wonder why he thinks teenagers in the Congo should be doing the executing

Anyways, nobody is ever going to pity anti-vaxxers, and they aren't oppressed. They have just made poor choices and the rest of us have to live with the consequences. The solution is not execution, but education - the thing Paulo Freire insisted on his entire life.

I do not know why the right wing in America is so insistent that they are being oppressed.

[l0053g0053]

I am a leftist, and I still think Bernie would have beat the shit out of trump if Hillary conceded.

The right and the left are at least 80% vaxxed. I've never met anyone else IRL unvaxxed, either they are afraid of being tracked, or afraid of violence. I've seen people kick over things, punch walls, and flip out when conversations turned to unvaxxed people.

I think there is extreme animosity brewing in the nation and the unvaccinated are a perfect scapegoat to send their malice. You have all these uneducated, midwits, overqualified-undereducated people all riling eachother up.

During the lockdown I had people chasing me with their car screaming, " GO BACK INSIDE! " with their phones out, weaving from left to right before they hit a curb and started flipping out. Because I was walking to the store.

There is a tiny little demon inside everyone just waiting to take control, when they are presumed to be in the right.

https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.1523394803.9714/aps,504x498,small,transparent-pad,600x600,f8f8f8.jpg



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[l0053g0053]

I really do not care about the vaccine at all. I am 100% for autonomy of body. As soon a you step on my rights, I do not care what you are peddling or why, I will just say no out of indignation.

I grew up as a teenager reading, all the classics that seem to have come true in some aspects, 451, The Giver, Atlas Shrugged, 1984, Brave new world, Anthem. I read a lot of books and this was almost pre-destined to happen.

I imagine the next step is going to be a " Runaway variant that has nothing to do with the one we just bred into existence " when the "Extra special" vaccination campaign will begin. Since everyone is already at the breaking point.

https://i.ibb.co/8bDgvxK/1666102627534083.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

[Reiwa]

I wonder why he thinks teenagers in the Congo should be doing the executing

In an interview, Good said regarding his writing: "It comes from the need inside of me to make fun of people. And my need to make fun of myself. I like writing things that are both intelligent and subversive. There's so much for me to write about – society has become so absolutely ridiculous."

[Botten]

Tds on full display. Last I checked trump left it purposely up to the state's and cities. Then the dems in blue states and cities promptly fucked it up. Stop making shit up I live in a blue city in a blue state.

Thanks dems for wrecking the economy.

LoL you like Trump think the state of the economy wasn't his fault in the US. That besides the fact he was commander and chief it was China's fault or someone else's fault he told to decide. Pence was in charge then it was Jared .. etc

1. Trump's position kept feeding false incentives to the American people. And you are still falling for it. This Pushing of False Info Causes Uneasiness in Business and the US Economy.

A. He said it was all a hoax
B. He kept telling others medical advice that was extremely dangerous like injecting bleach, using hydroxychloroquine (that he stood to make a profit from), UV lights under the skin etc.
C. He said within a couple of days the number of positive cases is going to be down to close to zero.
D. He kept comparing Covid19 to the common flu
C. He gave false information saying a Vaccine would be ready while even Dr. Fauci and his medical experts said: No the vaccine hasn't even been tested and has a long ways to go.
E. He actively announced on TV that "the cure can't be worse than the problem."
F. Best one was his Narrative: "I don't take any responsibility at all."

2. "Anybody that needs a test gets a test." He lied! Trump administration under Jared did a terrible job putting together funding and instigating progress on making test kits. That leads us into the next number 3.

3. Mismanagement of funds and investments into PPP. Funding went to companies that never made any of it. Scandals the Trump administration failed to vet.

4. He purposely kept those American's sick out on a Tourist ship (Diamond Princess) from docking because he didn't want his total numbers of cases to go up. He could have used quarantining but didn't even move to provide that! So the disease ran more rampant on the ship and more numbers were infected when the ship was finally allowed to dock calling it the "petri dish of coronavirus infections."

5. Trump was warned about a pandemic potential as one of the five issues even the Obama administration needed to deal with (see H1N1 and Ebola-running rampant in Africa)

6. Trump repeatedly had selective amnesia about having fired experts whose job was to foresee exactly this situation:
Trump dismantled the National Security Council's pandemic response unit in 2018.

7. It was the Senior CDC official Nancy Messonnier who correctly warned on Feb 25 of 2020 that a U.S. coronavirus outbreak was inevitable, a statement that spooked the stock market and broke from the situation was under control, Trump himself grew angry and administration took steps to muzzle Messonnier and the CDC. Lagging information on cases SO BADLY that other trackers like Johns Hopkins and hell even the European Union's own estimate of the US cases became better than the CDCs.

8. Hell the Trump administration was so disorganized that didn't even know they were Flying back government officials that had Covid. Trump was bursting in anger when he learned his administration did such a bad job.
(https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/21/coronavirus-trump-white-house-116650)

9. Trump and Trump administration kept renaming those in charge of managing the governmental response to Covid. Unlike Obama in 2014 who had ONE czar to manage Ebola in 2014. Trump had:
A. Alex Azar
B. Mike Pence
C. Debbie Birx
D. Jared (Trump son in law)
etc

10. Trump had in feuding with his specialists that were more qualified than him to talk on the virus often taking Dr. Fauci who disagreed with Trump for safety reasons and replacing him on TV with Dr. Deborah Birx who didn't interrupt Trumps Lies to the American People which cause economic and social uneasiness.

You see Fauci who was much more qualified as the director of National Institute of Allergy and Infectionious Disease made Trump look bad. Trump in mid-August in numerous press events, denied he personally replaced top infectious disease exports.
Fauci was replaced by Trump by Scott Atlas.

And insult to injury Trump himself tried to intervene to get some of the profit from the vaccine by trying to buy and interfere with the developing of the mRNA vaccine ...... trying to buy out NBioTech.

[l0053g0053]

Terminal case of TDS

[Botten]

During the lockdown I had people chasing me with their car screaming, " GO BACK INSIDE! " with their phones out, weaving from left to right before they hit a curb and started flipping out. Because I was walking to the store.

Caps cruise control

I really do not care about the vaccine at all. I am 100% for autonomy of body. As soon a you step on my rights, I do not care what you are peddling or why, I will just say no out of indignation.

Naturalist

I grew up as a teenager reading, all the classics that seem to have come true in some aspects, 451, The Giver, Atlas Shrugged, 1984, Brave new world, Anthem. I read a lot of books and this was almost pre-destined to happen.

Self-educated and because of it - his knowledge is qualified over infectious and medical
experts on Covid19 and vaccines.

Shows up 3 days after the trial period of a new account and after alphys we banned for his misinformation and/or disrespectful attitude to others.

Yeah, you are alphys and alphys you are pathetic. Here is hoping they check your IPs you post from and check whether you ever posted from the one you are using now to post from.

You misinformation failure.

[Botten]

Terminal case of TDS

fail more alphys get banned again. Guess others could take that alone and realize you are invalid in this thread.

[Elizondo]

Sad Botten totally melting down for the 5th time in this thread

Sorry your DNA got changed and tainted from your 15th jab

[Botten]

Sad Botten totally melting down for the 5th time in this thread

Sorry your DNA got changed and tainted from your 15th jab

You know what is hilarious ERVs are riddled in our DNA 8% of our genome is retrovirus genetic material and only 1% to 2% proteins that scribe your actual genes. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-M3L_Kykl6w&t=155s)

In terms you anti-vaxxer and Trumptardness can understand:

In terms of genetic material. You are 8 percent virus and 1-2% genes. You are more virus than you are genes. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-M3L_Kykl6w&t=155s)

[Elizondo]

You know what is hilarious ERVs are riddled in our DNA 8% of our genome is retrovirus genetic material and only 1% to 2% proteins that scribe your actual genes. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-M3L_Kykl6w&t=155s)

In terms you anti-vaxxer and Trumptardness can understand:

In terms of genetic material. You are 8 percent virus and 1-2% genes. You are more virus than you are genes. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-M3L_Kykl6w&t=155s)

https://www.mdpi.com/1467-3045/44/3/73/htm

5. Conclusions

Our study is the first in vitro study on the effect of COVID-19 mRNA vaccine BNT162b2 on human liver cell line. We present evidence on fast entry of BNT162b2 into the cells and subsequent intracellular reverse transcription of BNT162b2 mRNA into DNA.

Mudblood Botten's DNA forever changed

So sad. Botten confirmed mutant poster

[Basanos]

Harry Potter references should be instantly bannable, including in-game accounts

[Reiwa]

Harry Potter references should be instantly bannable, including in-game accounts

Elizondo is a squib.

[Jibartik]

Sorry you chose to have hybrid dna.

It's ok because it's like insulting someones religion, a choice they made.

Not a social class they are forced to be a part of.

[Elizondo]

Bitter Basanos accuses everyone around him of being fascists

Whines that everyone that hurts his feelings should be banned

Comedy ensues

[Jibartik]

in the future, being biggoted aginst kids that whos parents got the vax (because they're all mentally ill and deformed) will not be ok.

But for now its like a political choice.

:p

[Botten]

Mudblood Botten's DNA forever changed

So sad. Botten confirmed mutant poster

Wow you really don't get it. Elizondo would you freak out if I told you that viruses that you have gotten naturally over time are picked apart for their genetic material in your gut bacteria. At your gut bacteria can then transfer that DNA.

Make-up of gut microbiome may be linked to long COVID risk (https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/make-up-of-gut-microbiome-may-be-linked-to-long-covid-risk/)

Oof --> Sorry anti-vaxxer Elizondo.

[Jibartik]

Botton are chemicals healthy, and mcdonalds is good for you, because it comes from a lab?

[Elizondo]

Wow you really don't get it. Elizondo would you freak out if I told you that viruses that you have gotten naturally over time are picked apart for their genetic material in your gut bacteria. At your gut bacteria can then transfer that DNA.

Make-up of gut microbiome may be linked to long COVID risk (https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/make-up-of-gut-microbiome-may-be-linked-to-long-covid-risk/)

Oof --> Sorry anti-vaxxer Elizondo.

Mutated Botten denying Science

Pushin his dirty jab cuz he coping with regret so badly

[Botten]

Mutated Botten denying Science

Pushin his dirty jab cuz he coping with regret so badly

Elizondo incinerated so badly over his misinformation and pseudoscience no trauma burn ward can help him.

[Jibartik]

Im gonna eat mcdonalds because it's engineered food, and therefore so much better than any natural foods.

[l0053g0053]

Caps cruise control



Naturalist



Self-educated and because of it - his knowledge is qualified over infectious and medical
experts on Covid19 and vaccines.

Shows up 3 days after the trial period of a new account and after alphys we banned for his misinformation and/or disrespectful attitude to others.

Yeah, you are alphys and alphys you are pathetic. Here is hoping they check your IPs you post from and check whether you ever posted from the one you are using now to post from.

You misinformation failure.

You seem like just some guy. Are you a doctor or something? You just keep posting random debunked stuff from any date that fits your narrative. Are you an expert?

[l0053g0053]

Does a senator outrank some guy on the internet pretending to be a virologist?

https://i.ibb.co/p48n1Fq/1666443798005150.jpg (https://ibb.co/zPYNmvd)

[Botten]

Does a senator outrank some guy on the internet pretending to be a virologist?



You are doing the same thing as alphys posting pictures without source saying words like it
“May be” in your picture. Most likely you don’t have the link since you are parroting another antivaxxer site.

19264

And worse laced with Frivolous statement like based on only 5 years of data why was 2021 different with absolutely zero scientific investigation and only wild anti-Vaxxer speculation.

Alphys sit down your stupidity is showing. Get banned for your misinformation again.

[l0053g0053]

You are doing the same thing as alphys posting pictures without source saying words like it
“May be” in your picture. Most likely you don’t have the link since you are parroting another antivaxxer site.

19264

And worse laced with Frivolous statement like based on only 5 years of data why was 2021 different with absolutely zero scientific investigation and only wild anti-Vaxxer speculation.

Alphys sit down your stupidity is showing. Get banned for your misinformation again.

Just like you " may be " employed? What authority do you have?

The same language was used to suggest Covid vaccines in the first place.

"Might prevent transmission?"
"It could save grandma"
"Its sort of mandatory"

Just another armchair general expecting people to lineup because you google things.

https://i.ibb.co/1f5qB28/1666431697105130.jpg (https://ibb.co/gMpTQgz)

[Jibartik]

Wow the covid vaccine can cause aids?

Im going to tell everyone.

[l0053g0053]

Wow the covid vaccine can cause aids?

Im going to tell everyone.

"Might" cause aids, just like you " might " get addicted to heroin and catch AIDS from sharing needles.

Data, " Suggests " that driving with your eyes closed is dangerous.

Experts agree, wiping your ass after pooping, " Could prevent the transmission of poo to your pants "

[Jibartik]

To late Ive already published 5 blogs and 2 Rumble vids.

It's a fact now.

5hZ1JDNALOQ

[l0053g0053]

To late Ive already published 5 blogs and 2 Rumble vids.

It's a fact now.

YOU DAMN ANTI-VAXXERS GOT ME AGAIN!

[Botten]

Did your work for you alphys

https://www.ronjohnson.senate.gov/services/files/68A19C3A-0470-4CD0-9ED3-2BEBBCFB6C18

It looks like your Honorable Lloyd J. Austin III has an internal grudge on the whole mandate.

Incentive to just cause problems on every Frivolous thing because he has been burned so hard as a far right outspoken extremist. Very full of grudge.

[Botten]

YOU DAMN ANTI-VAXXERS GOT ME AGAIN!

Caps lock alphys for the fail. Get banned for antivax information again.

[l0053g0053]

Did your work for you alphys

https://www.ronjohnson.senate.gov/services/files/68A19C3A-0470-4CD0-9ED3-2BEBBCFB6C18

It looks like your Honorable Lloyd J. Austin III has an internal grudge on the whole mandate.

Incentive to just cause problems on every Frivolous thing because he has been burned so hard as a far right outspoken extremist. Very full of grudge.

Wait a second, a senator has opinions... about things?! HOLY SHIT. You better tell me that they are not extreme in any fashion or I might just..... im doing it... im goooooogling

[l0053g0053]

Caps lock alphys for the fail. Get banned for antivax information again.

Is that bannable? How can misinformation be proven? I hate to tell you this, but I am not related to your good friend. I will gladly continue to hold the torch of freedom though.

https://i.ibb.co/Ssy7QSH/1666445032608735.jpg (https://ibb.co/Gxp3smG)

[Patrece]

Florida, Texas and the entirety of Amish communities would be wiped out if Botten was right about DA LETHAL VIRUS.

99.8% of people wont even know they got it if they did. You CAN die from the jab. We don't even know the long term effects yet, rest assured they aren't anything good either.

They used it to rig our elections and reset any economic gains you made under Trump to oppress you.

[Elizondo]

I don't think Mutant Botten even knows why he's pushin the dirty jab anymore

He's just a sock puppet for Big Pharma

Sad Botten so Sad

[Basanos]

Bitter Basanos accuses everyone around him of being fascists

Whines that everyone that hurts his feelings should be banned

Comedy ensuesHoly shit, it was a joke, don't be so sensitive!

I only ever see Liberals dealing in Harry Potter references

[Elizondo]

Holy shit, it was a joke, don't be so sensitive!

I only ever see Liberals dealing in Harry Potter references

Bitter Basanos whines and cries to get people banned that hurt his feelings

Accuses others of being sensitive

Comedy ensues

[magnetaress]

The virus crippled more than it killed. Increasing ER waits too weeks. And taxing our social system and medical resources.

The perfect bio weapon is equivalent to the perfect crowd control and antipersonel weapons. Disabling. Area denial. Property damage. Make people die and or stop in their tracks helping others.

Tell me this wasn't planned.

I do think it got out of hand. Out of control.

An 80% effective weapon. We wouldn't be sitting around talking about how fair shit is.

[Basanos]

Bitter Basanos whines and cries to get people banned that hurt his feelings

Accuses others of being sensitive

Comedy ensuesYou get your comedy from pretty bizarre places, my man, ever thought about cultivating a hobby?

[Kaveh]

Florida, Texas and the entirety of Amish communities would be wiped out if Botten was right about DA LETHAL VIRUS.

99.8% of people wont even know they got it if they did. You CAN die from the jab. We don't even know the long term effects yet, rest assured they aren't anything good either.

They used it to rig our elections and reset any economic gains you made under Trump to oppress you.

Know one needs to use anything to keep you down man. You have no money and get no pussy because you drink from the well of bitterness

Embrace Protestant Christ immediately and stop being a whiner

[Kaveh]

The virus crippled more than it killed. Increasing ER waits too weeks. And taxing our social system and medical resources.

The perfect bio weapon is equivalent to the perfect crowd control and antipersonel weapons. Disabling. Area denial. Property damage. Make people die and or stop in their tracks helping others.

Tell me this wasn't planned.

I do think it got out of hand. Out of control.

An 80% effective weapon. We wouldn't be sitting around talking about how fair shit is.

The Chinese can’t plan anything, that’s why they have a new one every 5 years

It’s not a conspiracy, life just sucks some times.

[Basanos]

economic gains you made under Trumphttps://i.imgur.com/ly4AIWp.png

[magnetaress]

https://i.imgur.com/ly4AIWp.png

This tells me presidents don't causate or control unemployment directly.

[magnetaress]

The Chinese can’t plan anything, that’s why they have a new one every 5 years

It’s not a conspiracy, life just sucks some times.

Where did I mention China? Honestly, I believe they are wiser than that.

[Basanos]

This tells me presidents don't causate or control unemployment directly.I don't think they do either, nor did I make any economic gains under any of those people

A president directly causing or preventing economic gains kind of flies in face of "bootstraps" nonsense fellers like Patrece often have hissyfits about

The problems are always way bigger and more complex than any president, I do not understand pinning your identity to any of these vampires

[magnetaress]

I don't think they do either, nor did I make any economic gains under any of those people

A president directly causing or preventing economic gains kind of flies in face of "bootstraps" nonsense fellers like Patrece often have hissyfits about

The problems are always way bigger and more complex than any president, I do not understand pinning your identity to any of these vampires

Me either. My government ideals are unique.

[Kaveh]

Where did I mention China? Honestly, I believe they are wiser than that.

They killed off their women, so no

They are actually the dumbest mother fuckers alive and their incels will be 10x madder than ours in 20 years

Sucks to suck, I’m falling back to Armenia

[magnetaress]

They killed off their women, so no

They are actually the dumbest mother fuckers alive and their incels will be 10x madder than ours in 20 years

Sucks to suck, I’m falling back to Armenia
Eunuchs don't count. And China was highly advanced in that department long before the Catholics.

[Kaveh]

I don’t know much about China

Asians bore me tbh, I don’t think much of them except I won’t buy their poorly made products (other than Toyotas and hondas)

[Basanos]

Yeah, but, Korean Fried Chicken

[magnetaress]

I don’t know much about China

Asians bore me tbh, I don’t think much of them except I won’t buy their poorly made products (other than Toyotas and hondas)

Think star trek ferengi with a thin vinear of communist paint splattered over them via the CIA.

They literally eat bugs and still own slaves with no rights.

[l0053g0053]

China is awesome. I buy everything off ali-express. I sent a prototype to a factory in Shenzen and they could produce it @ .15 per unit when places in the USA wanted 7.00+ per unit.

You can literally just buy a machine and start working there.

"Hey want to work in my factory? I'll give you $4 a week"
"yeah ok"
DONE DEAL

You have so much red tape in the USA. FYI almost anything produced is made in china, taiwan, or india, they ship it here, then they put it together and slap a MADE IN THE USA sticker on it.

[magnetaress]

Yep racism is extreme ignorance when up against the Zerg. You don't get to Dictate the will of 7bill ppl and weld shut high-rise buildings without much protest or revolution by being dumb.

[Basanos]

See, the forces not-alphys described above do way more damage to employment numbers than any "fuck the economy" button a president may have

As long as labor is exploitable somewhere, people are going to try to exploit it. And that's in the country that has made the greatest economic gains in a generation due to some abominable form of imperialist capitalist socialism. An ascendant middle class, yeah, okay

People can blame Biden or Trump all they want, they're not zooming out enough if they blame either for all of it

[magnetaress]

I zoomed out. Pretty hard. I agree.

[l0053g0053]

I paid taxes on every screw I sold for $15, so only really made a profit of $6 per screw, which was a lot. I've paid more taxes than I can even really deal with. I felt really and honestly raped when I broke into the higher bracket for a few years.

China, India, Taiwan, still have industry that allows people to freely sell their labor for an agreed upon price. There is no government oversight. You can just go somewhere and work, there is no background check, tax information, 401K you just work.

Its impossible to beat that efficiency. They also work very hard. I was invited to visit the factory and it was a real blast. They just had a big pit in the back for all the industrial waste. Lots of people and their families lived on site and would burn plastic to keep warm. I kept giving people $1 bills as souvenirs and they were so amazingly excited.

It is really the closest feeling I could imagine of being a celebrity, you are there, just being some random guy, and everyone is holding doors, opening doors, shutting doors for you. Driving you around. Just because you bought some screws.

[Jibartik]

Speaking of blaming trump or biden, why is every country having the same problem USA is having right now?

What's the deal?

Why inflation, everywhere?

[magnetaress]

I paid taxes on every screw I sold for $15, so only really made a profit of $6 per screw, which was a lot. I've paid more taxes than I can even really deal with. I felt really and honestly raped when I broke into the higher bracket for a few years.

China, India, Taiwan, still have industry that allows people to freely sell their labor for an agreed upon price. There is no government oversight. You can just go somewhere and work, there is no background check, tax information, 401K you just work.

Its impossible to beat that efficiency. They also work very hard. I was invited to visit the factory and it was a real blast. They just had a big pit in the back for all the industrial waste. Lots of people and their families lived on site and would burn plastic to keep warm. I kept giving people $1 bills as souvenirs and they were so amazingly excited.

It is really the closest feeling I could imagine of being a celebrity, you are there, just being some random guy, and everyone is holding doors, opening doors, shutting doors for you. Driving you around. Just because you bought some screws.

I worked for a veitnamese woman.

She was an amazing. Generous. Hardworking woman.

She brooked no shit. And deserves the absolute highest respect. Puts every American civilian I've interacted with to absolute shame. Without even trying to or thinking about it.

[Botten]

Speaking of blaming trump or biden, why is every country having the same problem USA is having right now?

What's the deal?

Why inflation, everywhere?

Left over supply and demand issues and cargo ships shot up the prices to ship something by 1000%.

[l0053g0053]

https://i.ibb.co/JHvGLf7/1666112502424518.jpg (https://ibb.co/6FHTh3P)

[Basanos]

https://i.imgur.com/I4CACpm.png

[Duik]

https://i.ibb.co/JHvGLf7/1666112502424518.jpg (https://ibb.co/6FHTh3P)

Sure, there are dumb cunts that love to oppress in the name of righteous indignation.

Like the religeous zealot telling the athiest they will burn in hell for doing/not doing what a book written 2k years ago says to do.

Like the the (pick a church group) is not to be faulted for the few that kiddy fiddle.
The Boy Scouts should not be faulted for the few sick bastards that take advantage of the position of power they posess.

So posting somerandomdude says to kill antivaxxers shall not describe all vaxxers.
Sounds fair?
Also, dont wish death on someone who does not agree wiff ya. For any reason. Thats just fucked up.

[l0053g0053]

https://i.ibb.co/6sNQq3q/1666103154440171.jpg (https://ibb.co/q1x62t2)

[Duik]

It's a quote! It must be true#!# Said someone, prolly Alphys.
Nice work dimwit.
Also, sauce? For the veracity of the logic behind the quote.

Also also, dude from quote looks like a flat earther... See, i said it therefore its true. Sauce, me.
NVM, I consider myself owned by quoteMan!

[Danth]

So posting somerandomdude says to kill antivaxxers shall not describe all vaxxers.
Sounds fair?

Partially. Folks are ultimately responsible for policing their own. If they allow the zealots to gain control due to inaction or tacit approval, then they become culpable as well. I do not give someone a pass if he stands aside while a zealot does his dirty work for him. This is the largest reason I chose to protest something that I don't actually oppose in a scientific sense. There are other factors in play. If the regular folks stand aside and do nothing, then the zealots will gain ascendancy and ultimately that's more dangerous than any other outcome. It is said that the cost of liberty is eternal vigilance, and that means from the radical elements that are always waiting in the wings, left and right both.

[Ooloo]

Sure, there are dumb cunts that love to oppress in the name of righteous indignation.


Haha that guy literally just sounds like a nazi. I understand not ALL, yada yada, of course. Nobody said it was ALL "vaxxers". But it's also hardly just that guy. As usual, the left are frothing psychopaths who wish for the literal deaths of people who disagree with them. The right thinks the left is dumb and naive and wrong about almost everything, which they are, but they don't say insane shit like that.

I sure hope that lunatic was wearing his flu mask in 1994 when I as a 10 year old got the flu really bad and almost died. He might have given it to me, after all.

[Basanos]

I like how Ooloo told me to read a history book the other day, and then he's in this thread just totally washing his hands of every atrocity ever committed by a conservative

It's okay buddy, I already knew you don't consider most people human beings

[Basanos]

Ooloo obviously gets every piece of news he consumes from reactionary sources

"Not ALL yadda yadda, but yeah, every person on the left is a frothing psychopath" in the same goddamn paragraph

Amazingly consistent lack of self-awareness, as usual, buckaroo. Ooloo really sticking to the bit

[l0053g0053]

https://i.ibb.co/f9nqxmt/1666482498261478.png (https://ibb.co/m0XbcQt)


https://cpb-us-w2.wpmucdn.com/u.osu.edu/dist/e/51852/files/2017/11/20171207092317_1-2goolwp.jpg

[Elizondo]

Left over supply and demand issues and cargo ships shot up the prices to ship something by 1000%.

Sad Botten tryin to gaslight that Biden's policies are directly responsible for inflation and everyone knows it

Sad Botten so Sad

[magnetaress]

https://i.ibb.co/f9nqxmt/1666482498261478.png (https://ibb.co/m0XbcQt)


https://cpb-us-w2.wpmucdn.com/u.osu.edu/dist/e/51852/files/2017/11/20171207092317_1-2goolwp.jpg

Once you play this game. Life changes forever.

[l0053g0053]

Once you play this game. Life changes forever.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/998/202/27e

[Botten]

It's a quote! It must be true#!# Said someone, prolly Alphys.


Alphys (l0053G0053) isn’t trying all that hard to hide the fact they are the same.

Alphys you will never live the fact your thread is essentially garage since you were banned for your attitude and/or misinformation.

You can post as loo53G0053 all you like does it not hide you eternal shame in your own thread. Ha!

——-
Oh by the way NY is considering the oral Polio Vaccine since out breaks from non-vaxxed is getting out of hand there. And anti-vaxxers should pay particularly close attention to the fact if you haven’t been vaccinated for polio or you don’t want to get vaccinated… a person who has had the oral polio vaccine can pass on a virus derived from the oral vaccination called cVDPV.

So yet another reason not to be a stupid antivaxxer or moronic pureblood as Elizondo likes to call himself.

Why do we use vaccination to help eradicate dangerous viruses? It isn’t just to save yourself but for your fellow man or woman that may be immunosuppressant or suffering from a full on course of HIV.

Don’t be a selfish anti-vaxxer peddling misinformation.
Half these antivaxxers didn’t even exist until it became a conservative political pushing point.

That’s right some of these antivaxxers would take the vaccine as long as it meant they could have a conservative in power, no taxes, a means to get rid of leftists, a means to suppress woman, get rid of all illegal aliens or nonwhites, push their preferred religion on all others and revert progressive laws and lifestyles.

[Mblake1981]

https://i.imgur.com/oBPmFkC.gif

[Elizondo]

Alphys (l0053G0053) isn’t trying all that hard to hide the fact they are the same.

Alphys you will never live the fact your thread is essentially garage since you were banned for your attitude and/or misinformation.

You can post as loo53G0053 all you like does it not hide you eternal shame in your own thread. Ha!

——-
Oh by the way NY is considering the oral Polio Vaccine since out breaks from non-vaxxed is getting out of hand there. And anti-vaxxers should pay particularly close attention to the fact if you haven’t been vaccinated for polio or you don’t want to get vaccinated… a person who has had the oral polio vaccine can pass on a virus derived from the oral vaccination called cVDPV.

So yet another reason not to be a stupid antivaxxer or moronic pureblood as Elizondo likes to call himself.

Why do we use vaccination to help eradicate dangerous viruses? It isn’t just to save yourself but for your fellow man or woman that may be immunosuppressant or suffering from a full on course of HIV.

Don’t be a selfish anti-vaxxer peddling misinformation.
Half these antivaxxers didn’t even exist until it became a conservative political pushing point.

That’s right some of these antivaxxers would take the vaccine as long as it meant they could have a conservative in power, no taxes, a means to get rid of leftists, a means to suppress woman, get rid of all illegal aliens or nonwhites, push their preferred religion on all others and revert progressive laws and lifestyles.

Sad Botten edits every post and nobody knows why or cares because nobody reads them

[Jibartik]

Sure, there are dumb cunts that love to oppress in the name of righteous indignation.

Like the religeous zealot telling the athiest they will burn in hell for doing/not doing what a book written 2k years ago says to do.

Like the the (pick a church group) is not to be faulted for the few that kiddy fiddle.
The Boy Scouts should not be faulted for the few sick bastards that take advantage of the position of power they posess.

So posting somerandomdude says to kill antivaxxers shall not describe all vaxxers.
Sounds fair?
Also, dont wish death on someone who does not agree wiff ya. For any reason. Thats just fucked up.

No not fair you’re all gonna burn in hell like they said.

[Patrece]

The only reason the vax tard societal parasites exist is because censorship protects them from honest debate online

[Kaveh]

“Honest debate”
Meaning wishing death upon people’s wives

Hard to believe you guys are in mom’s basement getting no pussy

[Patrece]

Pressuring people into a useless and potentially fatal shot is so much better dude

As a bonus, let's fund pure evil!

[Basanos]

The only reason the vax tard societal parasites exist is because censorship protects them from honest debate onlineFeel free to start a debate club thread

[l0053g0053]

polio.
I really like your Halloween costume.
https://i.ibb.co/YB50vq1/1666525746313752m.jpg (https://ibb.co/WvrVSYM)


Polio is fecal spread and was reduced like 80% before the vaccine with sanitation and hand washing. There are hundreds of thousands of vaccine injuries related to the polio vaxx. Potentially millions of baby boomers have cancer from the ole " Lets filter it through monkey kidneys " route



https://i.ibb.co/F80p2c0/1666472474072570.jpg (https://ibb.co/r5c9Yqc)

[Patrece]

Feel free to start a debate club thread

This is it tbh, minus the agenda driven psychos (that want rigged elections) spamming staff for bans.

Their crap didn't hold water long term and now are forced to wear the tar and feathers. Anyone who tried to warn people here are brave heroes and should have their accounts reinstated.

[Basanos]

This is it tbh, minus the agenda driven psychos (that want rigged elections) spamming staff for bans.

Their crap didn't hold water long term and now are forced to wear the tar and feathers. Anyone who tried to warn people here are brave heroes and should have their accounts reinstated.You don't have to spam staff when it comes to death threats, it only takes one post

Anyways, nice to see yet another alt-right guy whining about debate and then tucking tail and hiding when I have agreed to debate

[l0053g0053]

https://i.imgur.com/oBPmFkC.gif


Bugs bunny is left in a manic state as the "Gremlins"(covid vaccine) renders multiple planes (humans) with multiple, strange symptoms ranging from gauges not working, landing gear malfunctioning, fuel/fueling issues, and other issues from a wide range, no one really knows what will malfunction.

Bugs Bunny has seen the gremlins, and he knows what is causing the havok, only, no one believes him, they will not consider the reality of the situation. This leads Bugs Bunny into a mental Schism where he is pulled to the side of normalcy to maintain his status and rank, and the hysterical side of "The new reality" he has discovered.

It consumes him as he tries to destroy the gremlines, which only he can see. As he wildly crushes imaginary objects and carrys around containers filled with " Nothing " before throwing them in lakes. He is mocked relentlessly. Despite his best efforts to inform them of the truth, no one will believe him.

This eventually consumes his waking moments and he is honorably discharged.

I got into touch with Bugs around a decade later, he was very difficult to track down. He is now " Babs Bunny " and is living in a polyamorous relationship with two hillbillies from upstate vermont.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6b/3b/4e/6b3b4e4370816435427b3fd50b4cec3d.jpg

[Reiwa]

https://i.ibb.co/F80p2c0/1666472474072570.jpg[/url]

Death rate doesn't mean infections declined.

[magnetaress]

Remember folks. The point of debate isn't to force your point of view or necessarily change minds. It's to present facts and a different point of view so that people can make up their own minds.

Calling people names and demeaning them and blaming them for all of your problems and insecurities is not debating. Nor is it productive.

You could have spent all of that time designing ur own Everquest.

Hopefully.

This helps.

[l0053g0053]

Death rate doesn't mean infections declined.

https://www.prb.org/resources/clean-waters-historic-effect-on-u-s-mortality-rates-provides-hope-for-developing-countries/#:~:text=Infant%20mortality%20in%20cities%20droppe d,the%20United%20States%20by%201936.


Overall, the researchers calculate that clean water was responsible for about 43 percent of the total mortality decline in the 13 cities from 1900 to 1936 (see table). Infant mortality in cities dropped 62 percent as a result of clean water. On average, water filtration reduced typhoid fever deaths by 46 percent—nearly eradicating that disease in the United States by 1936.

[Reiwa]

https://www.prb.org/resources/clean-waters-historic-effect-on-u-s-mortality-rates-provides-hope-for-developing-countries/#:~:text=Infant%20mortality%20in%20cities%20droppe d,the%20United%20States%20by%201936.

graph pls

[magnetaress]

Death rate doesn't mean infections declined.

Maybe infestations are good for the general ecosystem butt ianae. (Don't know amnot sayingso)

[l0053g0053]

graph pls

CAUSE OF DEATH 1900 1936
Major Infectious Diseases 39.3 17.9
Tuberculosis 11.1 5.3
Pneumonia 9.6 9.3
Diarrhea and Enteritis 7.0 n/a
Typhoid Fever 2.4 0.1
Meningitis 2.4 0.3
Malaria 1.2 0.1
Smallpox 0.7 0.0
Influenza 0.7 1.3
Childhood Infectious Diseases 4.2 0.5
Measles 0.7 0.0
Scarlet Fever 0.5 0.1
Whooping Cough 0.6 0.2
Diphtheria and Croup 2.3 0.1


Worldwide
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/332541174/figure/fig1/AS:749739712708608@1555763285343/Typhoid-fever-mortality-rates-and-sanitary-interventions-1876-1930-Black-line-dashed.png

[magnetaress]

CAUSE OF DEATH 1900 1936
Major Infectious Diseases 39.3 17.9
Tuberculosis 11.1 5.3
Pneumonia 9.6 9.3
Diarrhea and Enteritis 7.0 n/a
Typhoid Fever 2.4 0.1
Meningitis 2.4 0.3
Malaria 1.2 0.1
Smallpox 0.7 0.0
Influenza 0.7 1.3
Childhood Infectious Diseases 4.2 0.5
Measles 0.7 0.0
Scarlet Fever 0.5 0.1
Whooping Cough 0.6 0.2
Diphtheria and Croup 2.3 0.1


Worldwide
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/332541174/figure/fig1/AS:749739712708608@1555763285343/Typhoid-fever-mortality-rates-and-sanitary-interventions-1876-1930-Black-line-dashed.png

The diseases were probably not the primary cause. Ppl who become stressed and depressed or suffer trauma die from pneumonia alllll the time in hospitals. Arguably "the safest place to be "....

I bet other environment factors at play.

Malnutrition. Exposure. Poisoning. Exhaustion. Even parasites.

[l0053g0053]

Typhoid Fever 2.4 0.1
Meningitis 2.4 0.3
Malaria 1.2 0.1
Smallpox 0.7 0.0
Influenza 0.7 1.3
Childhood Infectious Diseases 4.2 0.5
Measles 0.7 0.0
Scarlet Fever 0.5 0.1
Whooping Cough 0.6 0.2
Diphtheria and Croup 2.3 0.1

The real takeaway here is that almost all of the " BIG DISEASES " That pro-control groups cite as being related to the wonders of vaccines were actually 90% or more already reduced due to sanitation, clean water, and sewer systems.

How are you going to make money?

[magnetaress]

I'm in favor of welding ppls doors shut. If you're sick stay at home in bed.

[Reiwa]

I'll be back with more persnickety demands, you'll rue this day.

[l0053g0053]

I'll be back with more persnickety demands, you'll rue this day.

Cant stew, without a roix

https://www.foodrepublic.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/howtomake_roux.jpg


https://i.ibb.co/9W2wr98/1666518223908022.jpg (https://ibb.co/hVHXmR7)

[magnetaress]

Vain attempt at training ppl so we can bioterror more efficiently.

I would say that the U.S. lost that race. Terribly.

U Can't stop infection tho. Even the strictest lockdowns it'll spread.

I believe that the trick is slow infection rate x milder exposures so ppl build up immunity slowly and hospitals aren't flooded with idiots.

We should redouble our efforts at discipline b4 attempting this experiment again.

Y even vax tho. Just give ppl controlled mild infection. And hospice, triage the moribund. Weak.

[l0053g0053]

Vain attempt at training ppl so we can bioterror more efficiently.

I would say that the U.S. lost that race. Terribly.

U Can't stop infection tho. Even the strictest lockdowns it'll spread.

I believe that the trick is slow infection rate x milder exposures so ppl build up immunity slowly and hospitals aren't flooded with idiots.

We should redouble our efforts at discipline b4 attempting this experiment again.

Y even vax tho. Just give ppl controlled mild infection.

The best possible response to biological warfare is the " Aldis B End Sinister" response.

Everyone must be exposed, so the ones who will not survive are quickly removed. The survivors enjoy greater labor value and a lower overall population.

Overall though, that is coming up on the great " Eugenics " debate. Which you cannot touch with a ten foot clown pole.

[magnetaress]

I'm less in favor of paying scummy lawyers to patent scetchy RNA mandates via taxdollars.

[Botten]

....already reduced due to sanitation, clean water, and sewer systems.
...


<reducing disease due to sanitation>
https://rootsofprogress.org/img/armstrong-1999-fig-2.png

Sorry but it was basic sanitation.....

Daily reminder l0053g0053 is just alphys who got banned for his Behavior and Misinformation.

In fact, l0053g0053/alphys may want to be the king of fakenews over Elizondo.

[l0053g0053]

Daily reminder l0053g0053 is just alphys who got banned for his Behavior and Misinformation.

In fact, l0053g0053/alphys may want to be the king of fakenews over Elizondo.

So a commonly known tidbit of history with different sources and graphs proves your hairbrained conspiracy? You know there are actually lots of people who disagree with the current narrative.

I may not be related to the dearly departed person known as " Alphys " I already posted that I thought it was paramount to continue the crusade of the unvaxxed, against the hordes of misinformation such as yourself. I think he/she was very successful in infiltrating your mind.

It is very doubtful you have any credentials, you have just built a persona around yourself. You are very good at googling and changing text colors though.


https://i.ibb.co/jZtd2KC/GANDALF.jpg (https://ibb.co/JFZN4LY)

[Jibartik]

Hassan was trying to convince ethan to settle down with the hypebole but ethan just couldnt stop.

[l0053g0053]

Daily reminder l0053g0053 is just alphys who got banned for his Behavior and Misinformation.

In fact, l0053g0053/alphys may want to be the king of fakenews over Elizondo.

Also, are you posting two sources of information that sanitation and clean water already reduced deadly diseases 90%? Do you disagree with that information?

Technically, all of virology is just trying to deal with the last 5-10% of human deaths from viral infections. Which are mostly widespread in areas without clean water or sanitation.

"Its cheaper in the long-term to vaccinate people then to provide clean water and places to poop"

https://i.ibb.co/bLQ2Z84/https-d3wo5wojvuv7l-cloudfront-net-t-rss-itunes-square-1400-images-spreaker-com-original-d3855ad1d80.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

[magnetaress]

Triage is not clownworld eugenics, it's just reasonable smart behavior.

Also agree with terrain theory 100%

[Botten]

https://i.ibb.co/NCShcZz/1665856240178970.jpg


Found here: https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3520705&postcount=1596

https://i.ibb.co/N1Xd6hQ/1665813818031449.jpg

Found here: https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3520643&postcount=1548

<failed Gandalf meme>
https://i.ibb.co/bLQ2Z84/https-d3wo5wojvuv7l-cloudfront-net-t-rss-itunes-square-1400-images-spreaker-com-original-d3855ad1d80.jpg

<posting more antivaxer information>
https://i.ibb.co/jZtd2KC/GANDALF.jpg

Found in the last two posts from l0053g0053

****But just two image share the same hosting service surely there aren't others?

Oh look all of these searches show l0053g0053 and alphys both using the same image hosting service

alphys
https://www.project1999.com/forums/search.php?searchid=23903179

l0053g0053
https://www.project1999.com/forums/search.php?searchid=23903249


Reminder l0053g0053 is just alphys who got banned for his Behavior and Misinformation.

Oof.. Alphys time to make another account like Elizondo out of embarrassment, right?

[Reiwa]

Found here: https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3520705&postcount=1596



Found here: https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3520643&postcount=1548





Found in the last two posts from l0053g0053

****But just two image share the same hosting service surely there aren't others?

Oh look all of these searches show l0053g0053 and alphys both using the same image hosting service

alphys
https://www.project1999.com/forums/search.php?searchid=23903179

l0053g0053
https://www.project1999.com/forums/search.php?searchid=23903249


Reminder l0053g0053 is just alphys who got banned for his Behavior and Misinformation.

Oof.. Alphys time to make another account like Elizondo out of embarrassment, right?

If he is, you're only training him to hide it better.

[magnetaress]

(Bot)ten

[l0053g0053]

Found here: https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3520705&postcount=1596



Found here: https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3520643&postcount=1548





Found in the last two posts from l0053g0053

****But just two image share the same hosting service surely there aren't others?

Oh look all of these searches show l0053g0053 and alphys both using the same image hosting service

alphys
https://www.project1999.com/forums/search.php?searchid=23903179

l0053g0053
https://www.project1999.com/forums/search.php?searchid=23903249


Reminder l0053g0053 is just alphys who got banned for his Behavior and Misinformation.

Oof.. Alphys time to make another account like Elizondo out of embarrassment, right?

Sometimes, a windmill is just a windmill Don Quixote. I take it at this point that you have agreed with me about sanitation since your now pointing at shadows.

7.5 millions people ALL ALPHYS HE/SHE IS EVERYWHERE!!!
https://i.ibb.co/923cp0Y/Untitled.jpg (https://ibb.co/vmvVcWz)

[Lord Casey]

I am a pure blood GOD

Ran around the entire pandemic, going to concerts all over the place even during the initial lockdowns

Never got it until the pandemic was already over, this spring.
I have healthy friends who didn't leave their house for two years. hah retards

Beat it in two days. Fucking legend over here.

Take your vitamin D and exercise you obese cucks. Don't mind me I'll be over here flexing and spraying jizz everywhere.

[Reiwa]

The best possible response to biological warfare is the " Aldis B End Sinister" response.

Everyone must be exposed, so the ones who will not survive are quickly removed. The survivors enjoy greater labor value and a lower overall population.

Overall though, that is coming up on the great " Eugenics " debate. Which you cannot touch with a ten foot clown pole.

A great burning is the suggestion.

[l0053g0053]

I honestly feel kind of special if people are viewing me as the reincarnation of their antithesis. Let me tell you this much; I agree with Alphys on a lot of what was posted, I saw he was murdered after he lashed out at the mob who was attacking him, so I will continue his/her crusade of posting the counter narrative.

If people want to come at me with stuff like that. I do not mind at all. Its just howling at the moon in their insanity and conformation bias.

I know botten seems unhinged, I do not think he actually has a job in virology. He just likes to google and find counter-points to hop on. He has built up a huge persona based on this and will not deviate from it, and, that does not bother me.

I am an easy going guy and I think I am much more level headed than my previous "reincarnation" as the conspiracy theorists would have you think. If they want to label me as a false god, I will not turn away offerings!

https://i.ibb.co/64VnCJF/1666483354607134.jpg (https://ibb.co/0f8DbVr)

[l0053g0053]

A great burning is the suggestion.

A pandemic burning twice as bright will burn half as long.

https://zam.zamimg.com/images/f/4/f437fde7349be39c17eff0973fe0910a.png

[Reiwa]

I honestly feel kind of special if people are viewing me as the reincarnation of their antithesis.

I think I prefer if you aren't, hilarity of the alternative aside.

[l0053g0053]

Someone had to loot the corpse. The torch of liberty is NO DROP!



https://i.ibb.co/8xfNm9d/1666518370029587.png (https://imgbb.com/)

[Elizondo]

Sad Botten living in the past

Everyone has moved on from The China Virus except the last few Covidians drunk on lock down power and massive profits from their dirty jabs that mutate DNA

[Basanos]

I challenge all triggered antivax whiners itt to start a Youtube channel called Dirty Jabs

[Trexller]

I challenge all triggered antivax whiners itt to start a Youtube channel called Dirty Jabs

DONE

aaand, it's already demonetized and age-restricted, ghost unsubbed and algorithm ignored.

[Kaveh]

Death rate doesn't mean infections declined.

Or that polio wasn’t debilitating

[Kaveh]

Pressuring people into a useless and potentially fatal shot is so much better dude

As a bonus, let's fund pure evil!

No one should force you to get a vaccine or even eat healthier, antithetical to our system

Nor should you wish death upon a man’s wife who is afflicted with cancer. That’s horrible

Cmon man!

[Elizondo]

DONE

aaand, it's already demonetized and age-restricted, ghost unsubbed and algorithm ignored.

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[Jibartik]

reminder that the world we live in today was built by kissinger.

Im sure the pandemic had nothing to do with his prediction.

[Basanos]

DONE

aaand, it's already demonetized and age-restricted, ghost unsubbed and algorithm ignored.Comrade Google strikes again

[l0053g0053]

older doctor who initially pushed for the vaccine to slowly come to terms with what he has wrought.

https://www.youtube.com/c/Campbellteaching/videos

https://i.ibb.co/DCJL6wg/1666524969710200.png (https://ibb.co/J71CbrF)


https://img.ifunny.co/images/1f89b71abfe75a956cbd20877e4bfe5171067807d7da3b413c f964ad991bf8f9_1.jpg

[Trexller]

reminder that the world we live in today was built by kissinger.

Im sure the pandemic had nothing to do with his prediction.

that asshole still has offices in DC

WTF does he even do these days?

[l0053g0053]

Young blood transfusions

[Basanos]

that asshole still has offices in DC

WTF does he even do these days?He helps Democrats lose elections

[l0053g0053]

https://i.ibb.co/cxbZFMy/1666560177442738.png (https://imgbb.com/)

e5MAg_yWsq8

[Jibartik]

Remember when they paused the Pandemic for the Black Lives Matter protests? But ONLY the BLM protests… (https://twitter.com/TheMilkBarTV/status/1582701887127957504?s=20&t=OANX64T9zLBXsc7q8CnLng)

[l0053g0053]

Remember when they paused the Pandemic for the Black Lives Matter protests? But ONLY the BLM protests… (https://twitter.com/TheMilkBarTV/status/1582701887127957504?s=20&t=OANX64T9zLBXsc7q8CnLng)
trust the experts!
Black Lives Matter protests did not cause an uptick in covid-19 cases
Stay-at-home tendencies actually increased


People were so afraid to leave their homes it helped stop the spread!

https://www.economist.com/sites/default/files/20200704_WOM905_0.png

[Homesteaded]

Remember when they paused the Pandemic for the Black Lives Matter protests? But ONLY the BLM protests… (https://twitter.com/TheMilkBarTV/status/1582701887127957504?s=20&t=OANX64T9zLBXsc7q8CnLng)

So...so good. Thanks Jib.

[Homesteaded]

trust the experts!


People were so afraid to leave their homes it helped stop the spread!

https://www.economist.com/sites/default/files/20200704_WOM905_0.png

Not sure how that graph claims that the Twin Cities(St Paul and Minneapolis) where this all started had fewer than 1,000 protesters.

[Patrece]

Botten pretending all these jab deaths aren't real while spamming petitions for bans is a hearty lol

[Reiwa]

Not sure how that graph claims that the Twin Cities(St Paul and Minneapolis) where this all started had fewer than 1,000 protesters.

To the left bud.

[Botten]

Remember when they paused the Pandemic for the Black Lives Matter protests? But ONLY the BLM protests… (https://twitter.com/TheMilkBarTV/status/1582701887127957504?s=20&t=OANX64T9zLBXsc7q8CnLng)

It didn’t pause, people took to the streets and no one could do anything about it. And everyone didn’t die, that was bravery.

Something Trumptards can't claim from their captain bone spurs who draft dodges.

So pathetic.

[Elizondo]

It didn’t pause, people took to the streets and no one could do anything about it. And everyone didn’t die, that was bravery.

Something Trumptards can't claim from their captain bone spurs who draft dodges.

So pathetic.

If Covid was as serious as The Covidians claimed they would have done something about it

Sad Botten still unaware The China Virus is just the political sniffles used as cover to steal the 2020 election

[Botten]

If Covid was as serious as The Covidians claimed they would have done something about it

Sad Botten still unaware The China Virus is just the political sniffles used as cover to steal the 2020 election

Trump mismanaged covid and we lost 16 Trillion in the US economy. That is all on you trumptards for voting that loser into office. You must be so proud Elizondo.

Can't get worse than that you say?

You Trumptards started an insurrection to hang the vice president you all voted for who also happened to have a nuclear football briefcase that day.

You Trumptards have to be the biggest morons.

[Jibartik]

Pretty cultish take

[Patrece]

Botten just wants obesity, perversion as norms with identity completely erased in a consumer slave world.

He's tripled down and crying for bans. This guy is a fucking meme. My sides are in orbit.

[Elizondo]

Trump mismanaged covid and we lost 16 Trillion in the US economy. That is all on you trumptards for voting that loser into office. You must be so proud Elizondo.

Can't get worse than that you say?

You Trumptards started an insurrection to hang the vice president you all voted for who also happened to have a nuclear football briefcase that day.

You Trumptards have to be the biggest morons.

Sad Botten has to be a parody account

Literally one post ago he was dismissing riots that burned down cities, killed dozens of minorities and caused 2B in damages and the next post he's claiming a few broken windows on JAN6! was an 'insurrection to hang Mike Pence'

Pure comedy

Botten lowest IQ poster on elf forums

[Patrece]

https://twitter.com/Chesschick01/status/1584150134471786496

Give it up already, it is a fact now

[Jibartik]

I think it’s really happening.

[Botten]

https://twitter.com/Chesschick01/status/1584150134471786496

Give it up already, it is a fact now

LoL a Tweet

Ha Ha Ha Jim Hoft

Your Tweet is a picture from a written article by Jim Hoft (https://factsbuddy.com/jim-hoft/)

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You aren’t quite to Elizondo’s rank yet but you are getting there.

[l0053g0053]

https://i.ibb.co/fY8DTm7/1666562213276657.jpg (https://ibb.co/278ZpXB)

[l0053g0053]

Do you have an extreme case of Vaccine Envy? Oh, how I wish it was available for me ;w;

Notice how botten completely ignores sanitation and clean water, avoided queries about his employment or credentials, gave up on his gas lighting, then immediately started to slide the thread about trump economics.

I firmly believe botten is someone's alt account who wished to craft an " Undebatable " persona when dealing with covid topics. Probably someone who posts a lot of left wing stuff, though in a very hostile and wacky way. There is a lot of common vernacular with both accounts. One will completely avoid a thread, and the other participates and vice versa.

This is why he is so "Fevered" with attempts to ban accounts. He sees himself as defacto " King of the forums " and wants to keep it, " In the right " so feels no remorse for pretending.

Anway, enough about Madonna.

They used every trick in the book to get these shots into your arms. Shame, appeals, incentives, penalties.

I just gotta say. Anyone else unvaccinated deserves a medal for the mental fortitude.







https://i.ibb.co/qCsKdqB/1666565905356679.jpg (https://ibb.co/ScnbPYN)

[Basanos]

https://i.imgur.com/SPUFVop.jpeg

[l0053g0053]

I am a liberal. You are only revealing yourself as callous and a fool for pretending in the slightest there was not a campaign of hate towards the unvaccinated.

[l0053g0053]

https://i.ibb.co/nQgQhgc/1666589354607307.jpg (https://ibb.co/xzCzVCj)

I would not expect anything less from someone who immediately tries to create divides by party affiliation. A defacto communist ready to line people up against a wall for wrongthink.



https://www.yourtango.com/sites/default/files/image_blog/1984-quotes-main.jpg

[Basanos]

I am a liberal. You are only revealing yourself as callous and a fool for pretending in the slightest there was not a campaign of hate towards the unvaccinated.You are going to have to try harder than that, alphys

I understand maybe you learned not to do death threats in your incoherent rage posts, but it is obvious you are no liberal and certainly not a leftist

[l0053g0053]

You are going to have to try harder than that, alphys

I understand maybe you learned not to do death threats in your incoherent rage posts, but it is obvious you are no liberal and certainly not a leftist

https://i.imgur.com/SPUFVop.jpeg

[magnetaress]

I am a liberal. You are only revealing yourself as callous and a fool for pretending in the slightest there was not a campaign of hate towards the unvaccinated.

yep

same u hate people doesn't matter their party affiliation (botten and bot accounts not u loose)

[Basanos]

https://i.imgur.com/SPUFVop.jpegPuto ergo non sum

lol

[l0053g0053]

Puto ergo non sum

lol

You do not like your self portrait?

You truly have no self awareness, but that requires self. I will be careful not to hurt your feelings, as like a true failure of the party. You immediately run to the authorities when you feel wronged, at the same time insulting people who support the authorities.

It must be nice and warm in the blanket of denial

[magnetaress]

Truly I was a card carrying member of the Hillary brigaid and I said and did worse things then 'alphys (also belived to be) enchroaching death'.. (towards the right).

one time in like 2015 I said I wanted to bite them in their neck even. I was pretty angry. (not being sexy)

Ya'll need a reality check before u spend months in a democratically run psychward (or prison or favela... when the prisons collapse...). (like I)

Use that anger productively. And smartly. Although I doubt most ppl are capable of that.

[Basanos]

You do not like your self portrait?

You truly have no self awareness, but that requires self. I will be careful not to hurt your feelings, as like a true failure of the party. You immediately run to the authorities when you feel wronged, at the same time insulting people who support the authorities.

It must be nice and warm in the blanket of deniali will continue to use the tools of the fascists to defeat the fascists. by any means necessary, after all.

you need to dump your vanity, it shows

[magnetaress]

i will continue to use the tools of the fascists to defeat the fascists. by any means necessary, after all.

you need to dump your vanity, it shows

congratz we have fascism then :o

[magnetaress]

i will continue to use the tools of the fascists to defeat the fascists. by any means necessary, after all.

you need to dump your vanity, it shows

my vanity is very smelly going on... 14 days without a shower :( :eek:

[Basanos]

congratz we have fascism then :owe already do, that's why the tools are everywhere. the ukranians are using russian equipment. there are strains of the left that think the left should not have guns because they are the "tools of the oppressor". those strains are very stupid.

[magnetaress]

we already do, that's why the tools are everywhere. the ukranians are using russian equipment. there are strains of the left that think the left should not have guns because they are the "tools of the oppressor". those strains are very stupid.

Fair point. :cool:

[Basanos]

my vanity is very smelly going on... 14 days without a shower :( :eek:that's pretty ripe! i went three days without in the hospital and i felt gross! their guest show was being renovated. i took concert bird baths.

hope it's fixed, checking back in on friday for five days minimum

[magnetaress]

yeah and i got myself sweaty building something :( so i'm super icky r now I could yeast bread within like an hr of mixing it with just my skin sweat

[l0053g0053]

Lol I did 35 days without a shower on a hippie road trip. I wiped down with a washcloth but no soap and cleaned my clothes in a 5 gal bucket setup.

15,000 miles, that was a blast. The only downside was almost every BLM spot has $350K+ RV setups and they really do not like people driving around in DIY converted vans. They would always button up and act like I was going to kidnap them..... >_>;;

Its a little weird, but after a few weeks of not showering with soap, as long as you water cleanse, you have a nice " Earthy " odor. Its not disgusting, but not flowery. I could not keep my hands off my wife after she hit that state, when normally I prefer her showered.

Let me say, if you can spend weeks in a small van together without a fight, you found the one.

PS Stop persecuting me ;w;

[l0053g0053]

i will continue to use the tools of the fascists to defeat the fascists. by any means necessary, after all.

you need to dump your vanity, it shows

https://www.ericmrozek.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Justin-Trudeau-If-you-kill-your-enemies-they-win.png

[Botten]

If he is, you're only training him to hide it better.

It is worse than that.

And this is concerning Basanos

It appears l0053g0053's was really concerned about picking up with alphys antivax misinformation campaign isn't the first time for this poster.

alphys was picking up from taei's misinformation campaign per his own confession (again saying for friendly slash relative reasoning).

All three use the same image hosting service
All three use cruise control on CAPs

https://i.ibb.co/bJjfyML/1664480591025922.png...

https://i.ibb.co/bJjfyML/1664480591025922.png (https://ibb.co/cLKmpSt)

NOOOO ITS JUST A COINCIDENCE

https://i.ibb.co/XtNWDCd/1664481066831216.png (https://ibb.co/zZjmF4L)

So I decided to search for i.ibb.co ... page after page was people either quoting one of alphys or Taei or l0053g0053 or it was just these 3 in mass. (thou ... using Thread instead of post I saw one other name from 2018 that did the same format and it made me shutter - see at end.)

alphys says his friend Taei was a druid but he admits to being same said druid liking to power level groups in another thread.

Apparently, the poster l0053g0053 has done this more than once.
He has been banned at least more than twice for his behavior and misinformation.

This poster l0053g0053, alphys and Taei are all the same person picking up where their last account left off.

Serial bans.....

... and I have a feeling this account poster has had a history arguing extensively this way and in an abusive behavior. Infact many of the forum know him by another name that was an infamous ban.

[l0053g0053]

It is worse than that.



https://wgbh.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/961bb34/2147483647/strip/true/crop/480x304+0+0/resize/1024x649!/format/jpg/quality/70/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwgbh-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2F4a%2F3a%2F82d326e943 cd8e9c2a4107e1e54a%2Fgiphy-2.gif

[Basanos]

https://wgbh.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/961bb34/2147483647/strip/true/crop/480x304+0+0/resize/1024x649!/format/jpg/quality/70/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwgbh-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2F4a%2F3a%2F82d326e943 cd8e9c2a4107e1e54a%2Fgiphy-2.gifhe really doesn't seem to see the parallel between what he's griping at botten for doing and his own antivax insane asylum posts

i thought him being all the same guy was obvious, didn't really think to look at image hosting i guess

[Elizondo]

It is worse than that.

And this is concerning Basanos

It appears l0053g0053's was really concerned about picking up with alphys antivax misinformation campaign isn't the first time for this poster.

alphys was picking up from taei's misinformation campaign per his own confession (again saying for friendly slash relative reasoning).

All three use the same image hosting service
All three use cruise control on CAPs



So I decided to search for i.ibb.co ... page after page was people either quoting one of alphys or Taei or l0053g0053 or it was just these 3 in mass. (thou ... using Thread instead of post I saw one other name from 2018 that did the same format and it made me shutter - see at end.)

alphys says his friend Taei was a druid but he admits to being same said druid liking to power level groups in another thread.

Apparently, the poster l0053g0053 has done this more than once.
He has been banned at least more than twice for his behavior and misinformation.

This poster l0053g0053, alphys and Taei are all the same person picking up where their last account left off.

Serial bans.....

... and I have a feeling this account poster has had a history arguing extensively this way and in an abusive behavior. Infact many of the forum know him by another name that was an infamous ban.

Sad Botten wants to justify his 15th booster so badly

Everything he disagrees with politically is 'misinformation' that must be banned

Meanwhile Bitter Basanos says everyone else the Fascist

Pure comedy

[Reiwa]

i will continue to use the tools of the fascists to defeat the fascists. by any means necessary, after all.

you need to dump your vanity, it shows

The Masters tools will never dismantle the Masters house.

[Jibartik]

Truly I was a card carrying member of the Hillary brigaid and I said and did worse things then 'alphys (also belived to be) enchroaching death'.. (towards the right).

one time in like 2015 I said I wanted to bite them in their neck even. I was pretty angry. (not being sexy)

Ya'll need a reality check before u spend months in a democratically run psychward (or prison or favela... when the prisons collapse...). (like I)

Use that anger productively. And smartly. Although I doubt most ppl are capable of that.

Posts like this give me hope for humanity.

[Elizondo]

https://nypost.com/2022/10/22/cdc-director-dr-rochelle-walensky-comes-down-with-covid-a-month-after-booster/

CDC director Dr. Rochelle Walensky comes down with COVID a month after booster shot

The director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has tested positive for COVID-19 — one month after she publicly celebrated getting her booster shot.

Dr. Rochelle Walensky, who tested positive Friday night, is “experiencing mild symptoms,” according to a release posted to social media. “She is isolating at home and will participate in her planned meetings virtually.”

On Sept. 22, Walensky tweeted a picture of herself getting jabbed with an updated version of the COVID-19 shot, along with a message urging others to follow her lead.

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[Botten]

https://nypost.com/2022/10/22/cdc-director-dr-rochelle-walensky-comes-down-with-covid-a-month-after-booster/


Definition of mild
adjective
-Gentle or kind in disposition, manners, or behavior.
-Moderate in type, degree, effect, or force.
-Not extreme.

Glad you could yet again in your attempts to discredit the booster advertising a good example reason in getting the booster.

The vaccine booster if from Pfizer is targeting BA.1 but offers some resistances towards the more prevalent BA.4/5. About 40 to 45 percent resistance.

So yes, by getting the BA.1 booster you too can suffer only mild to no Covid infection against BA.4/5 just by being prepared like the CDC director.

Elizondo, how do you try so hard and yet fail even worse with your narratives?
You are your worst enemy. It is hilarious!

[Elizondo]

Definition of mild
adjective
-Gentle or kind in disposition, manners, or behavior.
-Moderate in type, degree, effect, or force.
-Not extreme.

Glad you could yet again in your attempts to discredit the booster advertising a good example reason in getting the booster.

The vaccine booster if from Pfizer is targeting BA.1 but offers some resistances towards the more prevalent BA.4/5. About 40 to 45 percent resistance.

So yes, by getting the BA.1 booster you too can suffer only mild to no Covid infection against BA.4/5 just by being prepared like the CDC director.

Elizondo, how do you try so hard and yet fail even worse with your narratives?
You are your worst enemy. It is hilarious!

It's mild for everyone that isn't morbidly obese with diabetis (sp) or 80 years old

Hope that helps

[Basanos]

It's mild for everyone that isn't morbidly obese with diabetis (sp) or 80 years old

Hope that helpsdiabetes, guy who once mocked someone for editing a post

hope this helps. Pm for spelling questions, my name is spelled Basanos

[Ooloo]

Botten et al still completely unable to tell me the last time they wore their flu mask.

Still appropriating the term "antivaxxer", which was once a respectable word that described insane crystal healing hippie women who didn't want to give their kids incredibly well-developed and extensively tested vaccines, and conflating them with literally anyone who has even the slightest hesitation or sense of skepticism about the covid vaccines, which were developed extremely rapidly, utterly failed to deliver what they were purported to, and still have zero long term safety or efficacy data because they are like five seconds old.

Get your 4 year old fifteen covid shots or you're killing grandma!!! The flu though? Eh, I dunno wash your hands I guess.

[Basanos]

The Masters tools will never dismantle the Masters house.i can't tell if you are referring to "select bans will never dismantle the p1999 community" or you are not pro second amendment

To be clear, I am very, very pro second amendment. You could even say it is one of my favorites

[Elizondo]

diabetes, guy who once mocked someone for editing a post

hope this helps. Pm for spelling questions, my name is spelled Basanos

Bro I put (sp) for a reason

Here's a hint:

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Bitter Basanos embarrassing himself so badly

[Basanos]

and that reason is you can't spell diabetes lol. i've seen the commercial, i know you have a 3rd grade reading level, it's okay

[Elizondo]

and that reason is you can't spell diabetes lol. i've seen the commercial, i know you have a 3rd grade reading level, it's okay

Bro you're just melting down this morning and tryin to save face

Maybe take a break from elf forums. Your wife should be your focus.

[Basanos]

i realize you would very much like me to leave but that is precisely why i will stay

[l0053g0053]

Anti first
Pro second

A walking contradiction


" I will use my guns to stop you from speaking " - Basanos, LT commadant of elfs

https://i.ibb.co/tHs3Crs/1666589246877496.jpg (https://ibb.co/D1CLK2C)

[Reiwa]

i can't tell if you are referring to "select bans will never dismantle the p1999 community" or you are not pro second amendment

To be clear, I am very, very pro second amendment. You could even say it is one of my favorites

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[Jibartik]

To be clear, I am very, very pro second amendment. You could even say it is one of my favorites

-Democrats

Liberal Progressive (now libertarians):

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[Basanos]

"Sometimes you have to pick the gun up to put the gun down." - Malcolm X