What else is druid good for, realistically? (w/o Raid gear)

[zelld52]

Ok, so Druid has been fun so far, and a breeze. Very fun charming Bats n Bugs and also Permafrost pits. But --- is this the pinnacle?

With shaman, I was able to get Torpor at 60 and start a whole new soloQuest on phat loot farms.

But, druid feels like it has already capped out @ being able to charm bears in Permafrost. Without raid gear - would a druid be able to do PoM? Sirens? WW? Without raid gear.

[Chortles Snortles]

only good for snaring skeletons that flee
(lol)

[PatChapp]

Druid can solo sirens,pom just fine. Raid gear does not make a huge difference. Need epic to solo burrowers bur hard to call that raid gear.

[Snaggles]

I'd prob take the counter-point having a torp shaman which I love but it has some flaws.

The druid is a highly mobile spot-healer with a ton of utility spells. AOE outdoor irrestable lull, AOE root, AOE snare, a -100 check epic snare, a LONG duration single target, a 1.8 second single target 3min root.

Natures Touch is like 175hps/second with 200 range. For short fights you can heal just as good if not better than a sham rolling torp AND chloroblasting.

So in the end, mobility and utility. Limited mana pool, some charm tricks. Spot heals, goal tending, root parks, thorns and evac. Not a bad +1 utility player so long as you dont have 10 of them in their mid 50's and no desire to actually try hard.

As for farming...PoM, some people getting frisky in Chardok, velks or anything you dont mind root-rotting.

My good buddy here in Chardok. I dont think it's an impossible challenge w/o raid gear.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH_b-waHS5M

[Toxigen]

Chardok / Kedge / PoM / (maybe) SG

thats about it and itll never be as good as a torp shaman or enchanter

[Allishia]

Chardok / Kedge / PoM / (maybe) SG

thats about it and itll never be as good as a torp shaman or enchanter

Just wait when they revert the recharge nerf, druids with strings do some neat things! :p

[Chortles Snortles]

druids are great when they're enchanters tier logic
(lol)

[Crawdad]

would a druid be able to do PoM? Sirens? WW? Without raid gear.

You can do all those things without raid gear, some of them will just hurt more or take longer.

druid feels like it has already capped out
You already capped out, Druid is top-tier at the best part of EQ, doing anything that isn't raiding.

[zelld52]

You already capped out, Druid is top-tier at the best part of EQ, doing anything that isn't raiding.

I had a plan to make this my tradeskill toon -- but I can't seem to get myself started with that. Tracking / forage / Ports / SoW aare all very neat. Charming animals is great, too.

I've also had a blast powerlevelling unsuspecting newbies. Pulling 25 goblins at a time in Sol A for a newbie mage to PBAE down, to get her 2 levels in like 30-45 mins.. one of my favorite moments from my druid.

[cdfurry]

AOE outdoor irrestable lull


Still surprises me how often I see this misinterpretation of Harmony. Harmony is absolutely resistible. It will not however crit fail. Still a great spell none the less.

jaladiun/jaladian

[Ripqozko]

Still surprises me how often I see this misinterpretation of Harmony. Harmony is absolutely resistible. It will not however crit fail. Still a great spell none the less.

jaladiun/jaladian

Will crit fail on vsr

[zelld52]

Still surprises me how often I see this misinterpretation of Harmony. Harmony is absolutely resistible. It will not however crit fail. Still a great spell none the less.

jaladiun/jaladian

It is 100% unresistable -- But the frenzy reduction radius is much larger than every other spell besides Lull. So if mobs are close together, you can still aggro multiples

[Snaggles]

Still surprises me how often I see this misinterpretation of Harmony. Harmony is absolutely resistible. It will not however crit fail. Still a great spell none the less.

jaladiun/jaladian

Well it works every time on Sont and has never given a “resisted” message unless cast on VSR or if one harmo is trying to overlap another.

So…its 99.9% irresistible?

[enjchanter]

So yeah you can look forward to a nice career of harmonying sontalak or joining dial a port
The world is yours

[Encroaching Death]

you can look forward to a nice career of joining dial a port


Don't knock the working class.

It's rewarding work, okay?

[enjchanter]

I mean the real tragedy isn't that druids are useless at 60, the real tragedy is that there's nothing worth doing at 60 besides earning bis raid loot from scepter camp



.... a role which druids are not even top tier for

[Encroaching Death]

I mean the real tragedy isn't that druids are useless at 60, the real tragedy is that there's nothing worth doing at 60 besides earning bis raid loot from scepter camp



.... a role which druids are not even top tier for

The game gets real boring at 60 for every class, if we're being honest.

Okay, maybe Shamans will have fun at 60.

[Crede]

The game gets real boring at 60 for every class, if we're being honest.

Okay, maybe Shamans will have fun at 60.

FWIW I posted a thread several years back asking what the most fun class at 60 was. Surprisingly ranger was mentioned the most. I think bard was #2.

But yes generally speaking at 60 you either raid or farm stuff for alts hence why AAs were eventually added.

[Toxigen]

The game gets real boring at 60 for every class, if we're being honest.

Okay, maybe Shamans will have fun at 60.

enchanter too

[Encroaching Death]

enchanter too

Yeah true

[Snaggles]

Most my characters were leveled to have flexibility or to help people. A Druid with ports and POTG is the Santa of EQ. With gear you can do most of what a ranger can (and some it can’t) which is my favorite class at 60 strictly for “fun”.

If your goal is to be the “best” there are better picks. If you want to work twice as hard to keep up but earn some astonished kudos these underdog classes can be a blast.

[Encroaching Death]

A Druid with ports and POTG is the Santa of EQ.

I'll admit, I made my Druid as a port bot - but as I near 60, the most rewarding part of playing is buffing lowbies.

A high level Druid can buff the shit outta some lowbies.

And it just feels good.

[zelld52]

Agreed -- Powerlevelling with Fungi, Fungi Staff, Manastone and Elder SPiritist greaves is also a blast - easy, fun, efficient.

BUT. Levelling in the bear pits at 54 is kinda disheartening. Spend an hour for 6% exp.. but to what end? Ya know

[Encroaching Death]

but to what end? Ya know

I think that's every class though. (Except Shaman and Enchanter)

I almost regret getting my Necro to 60. I almost feel like I'd get the same value out of him if I stayed 50.

Sure, I can farm guards more efficiently. I can kill Skyshrine wyverns? Yay.....

I dunno. Even with Shamans and Enchanters, what's left to do at 60? Get Torpor and do the Solo Challenge? Ok cool. What then?

The journey always feels more rewarding than the destination.

[zelld52]

I think that's every class though. (Except Shaman and Enchanter)

I almost regret getting my Necro to 60. I almost feel like I'd get the same value out of him if I stayed 50.

Sure, I can farm guards more efficiently. I can kill Skyshrine wyverns? Yay.....

I dunno. Even with Shamans and Enchanters, what's left to do at 60? Get Torpor and do the Solo Challenge? Ok cool. What then?

The journey always feels more rewarding than the destination.

Is the truth. That being said - levelling druid 1-54 was really fun. Necro 34-55 was really fun. Monk 1-55 is also a blast.

I've gotta do either enc / wiz / pal / rng now. Only ones left. Sun's gettin real low

[Toxigen]

Is the truth. That being said - levelling druid 1-54 was really fun. Necro 34-55 was really fun. Monk 1-55 is also a blast.

I've gotta do either enc / wiz / pal / rng now. Only ones left. Sun's gettin real low

Enchanter has the most depth and paladin will be the easiest / chill.

Don't bother with Wiz unless you wanna AFK a ton. Rangers are just poop.

[Ripqozko]

Enchanter has the most depth and paladin will be the easiest / chill.

Don't bother with Wiz unless you wanna AFK a ton. Rangers are just poop.

Ranger is the easiest one to level if ya are geared, 91% self haste makes it great if ya can twink hard.

[Jimjam]

Ranger is the easiest one to level if ya are geared, 91% self haste makes it great if ya can twink hard.

KC is an amazing play house for rangers too, and the best part is you’ll often be puller. This ensures the group isn’t slowly turning over crappy low level tstaff PHers but the decent xp level 50ish mobs like hands, body guards, soldiers and VS rooms. Grabbing names as they spawn.

I had a blast rangering in KC!

Low level Druids have a nice niche of just helping higher level melees solo.

A Ds, regen and str buff goes a long way for a warrior or monk soloing low blues. Apart from refreshing those buffs every 15 mins it’s little more than feet up on table.

[Danth]

I dunno. Even with Shamans and Enchanters, what's left to do at 60? Get Torpor and do the Solo Challenge? Ok cool. What then?

At 60 you keep on doing the parts of the game you enjoy. When it gets old, take a break for awhile 'till it's fresh again, rinse & repeat. Nobody's making you change how you play merely because you filled up a yellow progress bar. MMOG players often have a peculiar tendency towards self-sabotage when it comes to willfully doing stuff they dislike doing.

If it so happens you like zones like Blackburrow and Unrest and Mistmoore best, then, yeah, not much use for a 60. Some folks get more mileage out of it than others.


Danth

[Knuckle]

I mean the real tragedy isn't that druids are useless at 60, the real tragedy is that there's nothing worth doing at 60 besides earning bis raid loot from scepter camp



.... a role which druids are not even top tier for

scepter camp?

[Toxigen]

scepter camp?

https://wiki.project1999.com/Scepter_of_the_Forlorn

Raid guilds allow you to basically AFK / camp this item during raids.

+Enji, scepter

^^^ for every raid log

Full DKP payout for doing literally nothing.

[drakkan]

https://wiki.project1999.com/Scepter_of_the_Forlorn

Raid guilds allow you to basically AFK / camp this item during raids.

+Enji, scepter

^^^ for every raid log

Full DKP payout for doing literally nothing.

Idols make things happen until they don't. Certainly a balance of needing that extra body at a raid vs having a zerg that it won't matter and it's useful to have someone continuing to farm idols and holding the camp down - someone has to do that dumb job. That's EQ at the raid level. I see it both ways. It pays because it's so boring - wouldn't you want to "play" the game instead? It should pay double! ha

[Knuckle]

Idols make things happen until they don't. Certainly a balance of needing that extra body at a raid vs having a zerg that it won't matter and it's useful to have someone continuing to farm idols and holding the camp down - someone has to do that dumb job. That's EQ at the raid level. I see it both ways. It pays because it's so boring - wouldn't you want to "play" the game instead? It should pay double! ha

Our guild definitely does the idol camp and awards DKP you are correct, I did not know they qualified for all the raids going on while doing idol/scepter camp, that's a interesting factor... Now I understand why we got people doing that all day, because I thought they were just getting the DKP for what we give when doing that camp(which is not much).. Technically they are making even more DKP then the active raiders, quite funny! That being said, I might need to get on that horse since I WFH and that's an ideal way to earn DKP and help the guild whereas I cannot actively raid during work. I think it makes sense that guilds like having someone on it 24/7 though because the second someone logs off that camp, another guild can snatch it up for however long straight, so it makes sense they reward people to keep it locked down as a poopsock advantage.

[Jimjam]

Clearly the active raiders should be paid the idol camp dkp if an idol camp happens while they are raiding.

[Toxigen]

Idols make things happen until they don't. Certainly a balance of needing that extra body at a raid vs having a zerg that it won't matter and it's useful to have someone continuing to farm idols and holding the camp down - someone has to do that dumb job. That's EQ at the raid level. I see it both ways. It pays because it's so boring - wouldn't you want to "play" the game instead? It should pay double! ha

Holding idol camp not only supplies your guild with an edge tool but denies the competition.

[Videri]

Siren’s Grotto. Underrated. I’ve heard things.

[Knuckle]

Siren’s Grotto. Underrated. I’ve heard things.

I've seen some sketchy ass videos of trying to farm the seahorse belt but theres a non 0% chance you will die every attempt and i dont think I have enough buffer into 60. Given the value of the belt I am tempted to try though.

[Knuckle]

Clearly the active raiders should be paid the idol camp dkp if an idol camp happens while they are raiding.

I don't think anyone would argue with that, but no one wants to manage that.

[enjchanter]

https://wiki.project1999.com/Scepter_of_the_Forlorn

Raid guilds allow you to basically AFK / camp this item during raids.

+Enji, scepter

^^^ for every raid log

Full DKP payout for doing literally nothing.

did you see the part where i got gratz on green scales using this fool proof strat

[enjchanter]

Idols make things happen until they don't. Certainly a balance of needing that extra body at a raid vs having a zerg that it won't matter and it's useful to have someone continuing to farm idols and holding the camp down - someone has to do that dumb job. That's EQ at the raid level. I see it both ways. It pays because it's so boring - wouldn't you want to "play" the game instead? It should pay double! ha

farming scepters was more fun than any raid ive ever been on

[Videri]

I've seen some sketchy ass videos of trying to farm the seahorse belt but theres a non 0% chance you will die every attempt and i dont think I have enough buffer into 60. Given the value of the belt I am tempted to try though.

There are items of value other than the belt. Seashells, horns, maybe more. If any druid players feel like there’s nothing amazing for them to do, and they’re not doing SG, I don’t know what to tell ‘em.