What chance does a non-competitive player have on this server?

[tadkins]

Honest question that I've been asking for a year now.

I ask during yet another quake, and another rush by the guilds of this server to snipe the juiciest targets from each other using all the most elaborate and sometimes underhanded tactics they know. Why does it have to be like this though? What can a small guild or a new learning player do to try to raid knowing that a guild like Kingdom or Good Guys can just sweep on in, brush them aside, and take what they want?

Not just raids, either. Everything seems to be super competitive. Try to get a set of jboots as a 35 character when you're competing with 60 druids and such? Anything even the tiniest bit worthwhile seems to be contested.

It's just seriously depressing how cutthroat everything is. It honestly feels like you're going to get your head ripped off if you try to do anything more ambitious than a derv camp.

[Pyrion]

Chance for what? I am a total non-competitive player and i am having a great time.
Of course i am not expecting to get killer gear anytime soon. JBoots nowadays are seen as a must have for those classes who can not cast SOW. They are not. Just buy a few potions for the time when you really need SOW and nobody is there to buff you.

There are a lot of other things similar to jboots. Of course all of them are heavily contested, that's the nature of this game. I chose to live with that fact by just not playing that particular sub game. I mean, it's a game, you are supposed to have fun and not rage about it. So i don't.

[Ghost of Starman]

Keep in mind this is coming from a retired player on blue, I don't know if things are different on green, but for my experiences the best way to get stuff you want with limited time is not to try and get the super competitive camps, it's to join the top end raiding guilds and attend raids that coincide with your schedule until you can afford expensive drop-able gear with your DKP, then you sell that gear and use the play for whatever you need.

This is honestly the lowest time commitment method, you could try grinding straight plat but that's much more boring. And you're probably going to be stuck with 1k an hour or less, having to do that for 100 hours to trade for anything. Decent is just depressing.

[magnetaress]

If you don't care about high end gear and you are patient enough to deal with psychopaths who won't ever move from their keyboard u can easily get lvl 60 with some decent gear including stuff like bloodforge or deepwater or donals and things like that.

You will spend more time and have to "buy" "with plat" to aquire basic items like jboots and evil eye bags because ppl are insane and you can't camp that stuff yourself unless you are also insane.

Of course most classes are perfectly fine without any such items and no gear. Necro, mage, shaman, druid, ranger, etc. Which will allow u to get money to buy those things for an alt with about a years worth of work. Not sitting at the keyboard every day for 3 months straight.

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Normally I would just say make friends because (that is the point of the game) and they will shower you in pixels. Butt that isn't an option because no one will be your friend unless you are a psychopath willing to camp fungi tunics for 3 weeks straight without moving from the keyboard with them. And they also don't need you.

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ALL this said if you have a truly casual mentality none of this matters and u will have tons of fun randomly sniping gnolls for teeth and rerolling alts around lvl 20-30 and doing tradeskills for stuff like banded. And u can get buy really well with a 500p weapon from EC on any class. And people stilll give those away :D

And you can offer free counselling and spiritual guidance to any wayward travelers u meet which is far more fun than grinding.

Just go in with zero expectations.

Also red 99 is very anticompetative u can get 60 easy, often times no one is camping fungi lords and ppl will actually just randomly help u if you do not mind having to play an alt every once in a _blue_moon_ (very rarely) and deal with absolute lunatics who also never log off and have alts in every zone (during said blue moons).

[Toxigen]

Just grind plat the way you sit fit and buy items / MQs / loot rights.

If you don't want to raid, don't. Your character will still be capable of doing everything in the game.

[Castle2.0]

Honest question that I've been asking for a year now.

I ask during yet another quake, and another rush by the guilds of this server to snipe the juiciest targets from each other using all the most elaborate and sometimes underhanded tactics they know. Why does it have to be like this though? What can a small guild or a new learning player do to try to raid knowing that a guild like Kingdom or Good Guys can just sweep on in, brush them aside, and take what they want?

Not just raids, either. Everything seems to be super competitive. Try to get a set of jboots as a 35 character when you're competing with 60 druids and such? Anything even the tiniest bit worthwhile seems to be contested.

It's just seriously depressing how cutthroat everything is. It honestly feels like you're going to get your head ripped off if you try to do anything more ambitious than a derv camp.

Don't compete poopsocking if you don't enjoy it and aren't good at it.

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[Danth]

If you don't want to raid, don't. Your character will still be capable of doing everything in the game.

Succinctly and accurately said, Toxigen. EQ's a loosely-tuned game. High-end items are not necessary. A player can do all group content wearing group gear and most of Velious was beat the day it opened on "Blue" by guilds wearing Kunark equipment. The folks who have a bad time here are the folks who want to do high-end content on a schedule and badly want to have top-end equipment whether they need it or not.

I feel like the OP has posted something to this effect before but I may be mis-rembering and confusing him for someone else. Certainly I've seen the sentiment before. EQ simply doesn't require top-tier or even second-tier equipment to experience the entire game.

(edit) I speak from direct personal experience. My own character is lower-midrange at most and I've done all the smallman/group content and most the raids. I've done more in the non-raid part of the game than even most of the folks with high-end stuff ever try to do. EQ's more about determination and desire to push the limit than about tiers of gear. The game's designed in such a way that a necessary baseline is always reasonably achievable.

Danth

[Thrombosis]

Chance for what? I am a total non-competitive player and i am having a great time.

Same here, one of the nicest things about P99 is you can take a break and the content never moves on; your to-do list stays the same. JBoots MQ is something like 5k on Green, even I would say that's not unobtainable for anyone.

[Chortles Snortles]

i lost the gnome race and am mad tier
(lol)

[Jibartik]

I saw a dude wearing full golden efreeti, a wizard epic, and a dragon helm the other day.

Pretty sure dreams come true on this server.

[unsunghero]

From what I know of the OP’s goals that he’s previously stated in other threads, it’s not about the gear as much as the experience of raiding or doing a difficult or lucrative camp

So the recommendation of grinding plat to buy group or raid gear isn’t going to be as appealing

Hope I not putting the wrong words in your mouth OP. I agree with you that the high end especially on green is probably too cutthroat, and because of that like you I also don’t bother

[DeathsSilkyMist]

This may not be a viable due to your schedule, but you could try playing late at night. Both servers have lower pop at that time, so you have more opportunities to grab camps.

Go to bed early and set up an alarm to wake yourself up.

If you can only play on peak population hours, then unfortunately it is going to be tough to land a highly contested camp.

[PatChapp]

I saw a dude wearing full golden efreeti, a wizard epic, and a dragon helm the other day.

Pretty sure dreams come true on this server.

Godsend isn't exactly casual..

[tadkins]

From what I know of the OP’s goals that he’s previously stated in other threads, it’s not about the gear as much as the experience of raiding or doing a difficult or lucrative camp

So the recommendation of grinding plat to buy group or raid gear isn’t going to be as appealing

Hope I not putting the wrong words in your mouth OP. I agree with you that the high end especially on green is probably too cutthroat, and because of that like you I also don’t bother

No, that's basically all correct.

I spent so long on this server porting many of you as a member of DaP, taking groups to far off Wakening Lands and the like, watching them run along their merry way to great adventures and legendary treasures, all the while wishing I could join them. But no one's going to take a wizard for anything and even if I did a pity tag along, they'd never dream of letting me loot anything. This was before it got to be too much and I committed probably the closest thing to EQ suicide by letting the gnomes in WW beat me up from levels 52 to 4.

Kept that character around because he was one of the lucky few to ever get something interesting; a seaworthy planking. But no one wanted to buy that and I just deleted the character recently. Can't even succeed in that fashion I guess.

Tried again on another character but it's all just the same. Can't win anything, feel like a massive loser, don't want to confront anyone or try to cheat my way into a decent camp. Just watched guilds scramble around with all of their underhanded tricks and tactics to one-up each other on boss kills during the quake last night. I don't have a chance on this server. How does one compete against that?

Just want to feel some kind of victory one of these days, that's all.

[Jibartik]

Godsend isn't exactly casual..

hahaha touché

[DeathsSilkyMist]

No, that's basically all correct.

I spent so long on this server porting many of you as a member of DaP, taking groups to far off Wakening Lands and the like, watching them run along their merry way to great adventures and legendary treasures, all the while wishing I could join them. But no one's going to take a wizard for anything and even if I did a pity tag along, they'd never dream of letting me loot anything. This was before it got to be too much and I committed probably the closest thing to EQ suicide by letting the gnomes in WW beat me up from levels 52 to 4.

Kept that character around because he was one of the lucky few to ever get something interesting; a seaworthy planking. But no one wanted to buy that and I just deleted the character recently. Can't even succeed in that fashion I guess.

Tried again on another character but it's all just the same. Can't win anything, feel like a massive loser, don't want to confront anyone or try to cheat my way into a decent camp. Just watched guilds scramble around with all of their underhanded tricks and tactics to one-up each other on boss kills during the quake last night. I don't have a chance on this server. How does one compete against that?

Just want to feel some kind of victory one of these days, that's all.

If you want to start feeling the magic again, I would start by doing something that can be done basically solo, but isn't a highly contested camp. Not sure how it is on Green, but https://wiki.project1999.com/Coldain_Prayer_Shawl_Quests is doable mostly solo, it's fun in my opinion, and you get a great item at the end. The items you need to complete the quests aren't from highly contested camps, and the hardest part (the Sirens Grotto items) can be obtained by asking a level 60 druid to help you.

I did this quest when I was level 51 or 52 on my Shaman.

[Scalem]

You can always join a guild like GG or Kingdom. GG has no Raider requirements or rules for bidding on items. You earn dkp and spend it however you like. Kingdom I believe requires 10% raid attendance and being level 60.

[tadkins]

If you want to start feeling the magic again, I would start by doing something that can be done basically solo, but isn't a highly contested camp. Not sure how it is on Green, but https://wiki.project1999.com/Coldain_Prayer_Shawl_Quests is doable mostly solo, it's fun in my opinion, and you get a great item at the end. The items you need to complete the quests aren't from highly contested camps, and the hardest part (the Sirens Grotto items) can be obtained by asking a level 60 druid to help you.

I did this quest when I was level 51 or 52 on my Shaman.

I appreciate the suggestion. I actually am working on that now, currently on shawl 3. The drops are definitely slow going, especially by myself, but i'm slowly but surely making progress. Definitely am anxious about the later parts though, as I don't have any enchanter friends so I will probably have to pay the exorbitant prices that they'll ask for their goods. I also don't have any 60 druid friends, and I'm honestly afraid to ask any of them for help. A druid who got that far is probably sick to death of being asked by random nobodies like me for things.

You can always join a guild like GG or Kingdom. GG has no Raider requirements or rules for bidding on items. You earn dkp and spend it however you like. Kingdom I believe requires 10% raid attendance and being level 60.

They would never let someone like me in.

[Chortles Snortles]

pick your damn self up by the Jboot straps and start with one achievable goal for CTs sake

[tadkins]

My raw silk sandals don't have straps on them though.

[loramin]

But no one's going to take a wizard for anything and even if I did a pity tag along, they'd never dream of letting me loot anything.

They would never let someone like me in.

Do you know what a self-fulfilling prophecy is? You're making assumptions, false ones, and then based on those assumptions you're missing out.

[Trexller]

Honest question that I've been asking for a year now.

I ask during yet another quake, and another rush by the guilds of this server to snipe the juiciest targets from each other using all the most elaborate and sometimes underhanded tactics they know. Why does it have to be like this though? What can a small guild or a new learning player do to try to raid knowing that a guild like Kingdom or Good Guys can just sweep on in, brush them aside, and take what they want?

Not just raids, either. Everything seems to be super competitive. Try to get a set of jboots as a 35 character when you're competing with 60 druids and such? Anything even the tiniest bit worthwhile seems to be contested.

It's just seriously depressing how cutthroat everything is. It honestly feels like you're going to get your head ripped off if you try to do anything more ambitious than a derv camp.

https://www.takproject.net

[tadkins]

Do you know what a self-fulfilling prophecy is? You're making assumptions, false ones, and then based on those assumptions you're missing out.

I've applied to Kingdom once and they rejected me, so I wouldn't exactly call them false. Speaking entirely by experiences there.

https://www.takproject.net

I played there for a time, and as the only non-boxer there I was at a massive disadvantage, so I eventually quit.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I appreciate the suggestion. I actually am working on that now, currently on shawl 3. The drops are definitely slow going, especially by myself, but i'm slowly but surely making progress. Definitely am anxious about the later parts though, as I don't have any enchanter friends so I will probably have to pay the exorbitant prices that they'll ask for their goods. I also don't have any 60 druid friends, and I'm honestly afraid to ask any of them for help. A druid who got that far is probably sick to death of being asked by random nobodies like me for things.


No problem. Plenty of people are willing to help others, you don't have to be friends with the Druid per-se. Worst case you can probably pay a level 60 Druid like 500pp to help you out for a little bit. It doesn't take too long for a level 60 Druid to kill a few Swordfishes for you. I've done the Shawl quest twice now, and the drop doesn't appear uncommon. The Molkor Hide will probably be the bigger issue on Green since it looks like it sells for 7k right now. Not sure what the specific reason is, either low population in SG or just higher prices due to more people doing the Shawl quest since the server is newer.

For the Enchanter stuff (I assume you are talking about the vials of viscous mana for Tailoring), you can do that yourself without too much effort. You only need to get an Enchanter alt to level 12 for https://wiki.project1999.com/Thicken_Mana , which generates https://wiki.project1999.com/Vial_of_Viscous_Mana . Just make them in the EC Tunnel so you can ask for Clarity and PoTG from the bored buyers/sellers. You don't need to level your tailoring all the way up to 200 for the Shawl 6 combine. Just get it to 158 via Wu's and roll the dice a few times. It's much easier/cheaper than getting tailoring to 200, and the fail rate isn't too bad at 158.

[Jibartik]

Are you seriously telling me you cant be a warm body on this server?

Like you're not allowed to just show up at raids and get gear anuymore?

Im as causal as it gets but even I have been able to get fully raid geared by joining the zerg and just fucking up every raid night by being an idiot.

although, never mind, I was waking up at like 6am to raid before work, im a fuckn freak.

but DKP has always worked for me, as a casual.

[loramin]

I've applied to Kingdom once and they rejected me, so I wouldn't exactly call them false. Speaking entirely by experiences there.

It's false to say that because you applied to a guild and got rejected once, you can never again join that or any other raid guild.

Why did Kingdom reject you? If it was for levels, you can level up. If it was because you didn't come to enough raids, go to more during the app period next time. Whatever it was, unless it was "I was rude and made them hate me", it's not a permanent barrier to entry.

... and even if it was, there's also Good Guys, Safe Space, and heck even Castle (they actually do some high-end raiding). So yes, I think your claim that you can't raid is false, and more a function of negative thinking than reality.

[Jimjam]

Got a good therapist? This may seem silly, but talk to them about your eq problems/life. I think they could really help you identify where you want to be and how to get there.

[tadkins]

For the Enchanter stuff (I assume you are talking about the vials of viscous mana for Tailoring), you can do that yourself without too much effort. You only need to get an Enchanter alt to level 12 for https://wiki.project1999.com/Thicken_Mana , which generates https://wiki.project1999.com/Vial_of_Viscous_Mana . Just make them in the EC Tunnel so you can ask for Clarity and PoTG from the bored buyers/sellers. You don't need to level your tailoring all the way up to 200 for the Shawl 6 combine. Just get it to 158 via Wu's and roll the dice a few times. It's much easier/cheaper than getting tailoring to 200, and the fail rate isn't too bad at 158.

Yup I was talking about those. Not really sure I want to level an enchanter though, even if I got one to 12 and got the spell somehow that's 200 mana, would take me forever to make the things, lol. I dunno, I'll figure something out there. Still have a long time before I can think about it anyhow. Spent all day in EW and not a single snow griffin egg.

Are you seriously telling me you cant be a warm body on this server?

Like you're not allowed to just show up at raids and get gear anuymore?

Doesn't seem that way. At this stage in the game, what chance does a brand new raider have to get a piece of gear, anyway? Most of you probably have thousands of that DKP stuff amassed.

It's false to say that because you applied to a guild and got rejected once, you can never again join that or any other raid guild.

Why did Kingdom reject you? If it was for levels, you can level up. If it was because you didn't come to enough raids, go to more during the app period next time. Whatever it was, unless it was "I was rude and made them hate me", it's not a permanent barrier to entry.

... and even if it was, there's also Good Guys, Safe Space, and heck even Castle (they actually do some high-end raiding). So yes, I think your claim that you can't raid is false, and more a function of negative thinking than reality.

It probably was because of level, but I wasn't trying to join immediately to raid. Obviously couldn't as a lower level. I honestly just wanted to make some friends and have some people to talk to while I leveled up, so at least by the time I did get to raid with them, there'd be some familiarity.

It did honestly hurt getting rejected by them.

Anyhow it just really seems like there isn't much of a chance to do anything here. I'd love to know that isn't the case, that there is actually some hope out there, but from my perspective it's just not there.

Also, please don't recommend Castle. I was in there very briefly and got chewed out by them for pulling a mob. Felt no sense of inclusion or comraderie there during my time. I haven't had any good experiences with members from that guild. Good Guys probably wouldn't accept me either, being on the same level as Kingdom, and I'm still not certain about Safe Space.

[Lampolo]

Such an emo attitude. Ffs your life must be more miserable than mine.

The best way to get raid loot without being hard-core is tracking. All raid guilds need trackers. Get your requirements right for the best guild and apply. It's a fucking video game dude. It's not reserved for sp3cial ppl. Any of them will let you in with a lvl 60 and the required mr keys w/e. If your track 2 hrs a day or something and make the raids you can, you'll get your loot. And yes they will have a tracker for you to log into. You don't need a ranger or Druid. Lots of targets can be face tracked as well if you wanna go park your nontracking toon

I see this over and over again on these forums. Ppl act like they have to buy their epics and can't drop shit them selves. Just fucking play th3 darn game and stop farming pp and grinding in kc you miserable losers. You can't even win a fucking video game that was designed for you to win. Fucking losers!
I'm gonna go feel guilty about being such a dick now. Good luck with being a pussy. I'd tell you to call your mom and ask for help but you probl alrdy whining to her

[Scalem]

They would never let someone like me in.

What does that even mean? Are you notorious and have been banned multiple times? Kicked from GG before? Or are you assuming because you are “casual” you’ll never be allowed in? Seems to me like you are setting your self up not to have a chance instead of trying. Why exactly won’t a guild like GG let you in?

[tadkins]

What does that even mean? Are you notorious and have been banned multiple times? Kicked from GG before? Or are you assuming because you are “casual” you’ll never be allowed in? Seems to me like you are setting your self up not to have a chance instead of trying. Why exactly won’t a guild like GG let you in?

The funny thing about the whole thing? I don't think I'd be considered casual. I probably put more hours into this game a day than most of you. Don't really have a lot going in life so this is about all I have to do. I just happen to play the game badly, both from a mechanical and social standpoint. I struggle with things most of you guys probably find super easy, including both killing mobs, playing my class, and making social connections. So folks are easily just able to walk all over me as a result. Like earlier in EW with organized groups AoEing the whole zone and basking in their glory while I struggle to get one kill every 10 minutes or so by myself.

Anyhow I don't think GG would allow me in for the same reasons Kingdom didn't. I'm utterly useless as a person to them. I don't have any friends to vouch for me in there or to serve as a reference, and what little I can do, they probably have 20 guys that can do it better.

[Woodark]

There's probably some truth to what OP is saying, but why bother posting anything when these threads are inevitably overwhelmed by a bunch of salty old farts?

[tadkins]

but why bother posting anything when these threads are inevitably overwhelmed by a bunch of salty old farts?

I'm an idiot who never learns his lesson.

[Coridan]

Guessing the server doesn't do open raids anymore? Those were awesome back during the classic era. Anyone could show up and /random for gear they could use so long as they participated.

[magnetaress]

@op try takp or red99 serious.

I know red 99 sounds scary.

Just don't be mad if someone ganks u and start an alt for a few hrs.

[Tirano]

Guessing the server doesn't do open raids anymore? Those were awesome back during the classic era. Anyone could show up and /random for gear they could use so long as they participated.


They do WTOV sometimes and they are talking about doing an open raid over Christmas break. Nothing has been decided yet.

[Chortles Snortles]

Oof, imagine being rejected from a guild that accepted Loramin AND Tunabros
(lol)

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Yup I was talking about those. Not really sure I want to level an enchanter though, even if I got one to 12 and got the spell somehow that's 200 mana, would take me forever to make the things, lol. I dunno, I'll figure something out there.

It does take a while for sure. That's why it is hard to find an Enchanter to make them, even if they are your friend hehe.

But making them yourself does save you money, and with Clariry + PoTG it's a bit faster.

[PatChapp]

It does take a while for sure. That's why it is hard to find an Enchanter to make them, even if they are your friend hehe.

But making them yourself does save you money, and with Clariry + PoTG it's a bit faster.

Yeah I let a friend use my enchanter to make enough for his shawl stuff

Lvl 60,c2 + potg took nearly 4hrs

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Yeah I let a friend use my enchanter to make enough for his shawl stuff

Lvl 60,c2 + potg took nearly 4hrs

Yup. A level 60 will regen mana at 38 mana per tick with Meditate (21) + C2 (11) + PoTG (6), assuming no FT items.

A level 12 with C1 + PoTG would meditate around half that. C1 (7) + PoTG (6) is 13, and a level 8 with 10 into meditation gets 5 per tick, so you would be getting at least 19 mana per tick.

So it would be about 8 hours for a level 12 alt to do it. A bit longer since the level 60 can make like 15 off the bat if they were at full mana.

[loramin]

Anyhow I don't think GG would allow me in for the same reasons Kingdom didn't. I'm utterly useless as a person to them. I don't have any friends to vouch for me in there or to serve as a reference, and what little I can do, they probably have 20 guys that can do it better.

You still haven't said why you were rejected. All you've given is some vague nonsense about "probably my level". And sure, if you were level 35 applying to Kingdom ... that won't work. If that was the case, there's a simple fix: level up (and there are even leveling guilds that would happily help you).

But let's take a step back: (almost) everyone in this thread is trying to tell you that your version of reality doesn't line up with their's. Raiding guilds are desperate for more warm bodies: they 100% are not turning people away because they don't have friends!

The reason your version of reality is so different is also clear from your posts: your problem isn't EQ, and it's not guilds rejecting you ... it's:

https://media.tenor.com/yn354c9M0uwAAAAC/depression-eeyore.gif

Go outside and get some exercise. The endorphins will help, and being around greenery will help. Call a friend up, watch a movie you love, and if your condition is more serious, talk to a doctor.

But take your mental health seriously: it impacts so much of your life, and if you're this depressed, I'm guessing a lack of a guild isn't the only side effect.

[Jimjam]

Definitely talk to a doctor, you’re expressing and acting on suicidal impulses (even if only in game vs gnomes).

I wasn’t kidding when I suggested therapy.

[Jimjam]

Focusing more on positive thinking, imagine next time you log on to eq, it could be your perfect session with your perfect character, what would that be like? What would you do?

[Toxigen]

Focusing more on positive thinking, imagine next time you log on to eq, it could be your perfect session with your perfect character, what would that be like? What would you do?

Mega twink (300k+ invested) low level randomly grouping with brand new players in rags.

[sajbert]

So lets relax.

A new non-competitive player can

- Hit max level on any toon
- Join a raiding guild that does not require raid attendence and get loot
- Aquire an Epic except for maybe Enchanter and Mage Epic.
- Learn the techniques used by competitive guilds to win races and engages.

You won’t
- Get full BIS gear
- Get legacy items
- Start up your own guild and dunk on the top guilds

Progression in EQ takes time. Years, several years. It’s not a race, things don’t come fast. You gotta have your own goals, be it just seeing a dragon or maybe getting to 60 or getting that Epic weapon. Something like getting VP keyed is a real struggle.

And yes good camps have competition, you gotta get lucky/and or wait your turn.

[sajbert]

Do you know what a self-fulfilling prophecy is? You're making assumptions, false ones, and then based on those assumptions you're missing out.

He’s sorta right though. Wizzies don’t get into attractive groups most of the time.

[Toxigen]

https://i.imgur.com/gD5ibpL.png

[loramin]

- Join a raiding guild that does not require raid attendence and get loot

Or join one that does. Kingdom only requires limited raid attendance during the application period. Once you join, you can raid as little or as much as you want. I think even most "casuals" can hit the minimum attendance requirements for a few weeks.

I don't know other guilds, but I suspect they have similar policies.

He’s sorta right though. Wizzies don’t get into attractive groups most of the time.

Right, but they are highly valued by raiding guilds.

[Woodark]

It's ironic that those who are deeply offended by OP sharing feedback are the same people that are recommending mental health therapy.

In Everquest classic (especially before Kunark is released) there should be minor development changes to improve classes that no one wants to play. Some examples:

1) Wizards - Increase single target nuke damage by 35%
2) Warriors - Increase natural base defense modifier (so they aren't less tanky than a Mage's earth pet)
3) Paladins/Rangers/SKs - Increase melee damage by 20%

[Ooloo]

Unfortunately even if OP apps to kingdom or any raid guild and gets accepted, he'll quickly realize that he's still gonna be passed over within his own guild unless he poopsocks and clique's up. Seemingly every guild on green now has the same pitch: "Join us cause it's totally laid back but also raid friendly" blah blah. We all know the people who are on discord and in game 24\7 are treated differently than the warm bodies.

That being said, I think it *should* be that way. This game is hard, and it's why I like it. Achievements feel meaningful if they are hard to achieve, regardless of what is making them hard to achieve. There are other games you can play if you want "contested" stuff more easily, although I'd argue it's no longer really contested if it's easy to get.

[loramin]

Unfortunately even if OP apps to kingdom or any raid guild and gets accepted, he'll quickly realize that he's still gonna be passed over within his own guild unless he poopsocks and clique's up. Seemingly every guild on green now has the same pitch: "Join us cause it's totally laid back but also raid friendly" blah blah. We all know the people who are on discord and in game 24\7 are treated differently than the warm bodies.

They do get treated differently ... they earn more DKP :D

But that's the beauty of DKP guilds: the hardcore players get enough DKP to deck their third alt out in Vulak gear ... while all the more casual players play a lot less, slowly save up DKP, and buy something cool for themselves every so often. Both pay the same price for everything: the hardcore people don't get special discounts or anything.

In either case though, you can be as hardcore, or as softcore, as you want. I mean, sure, if you're Mage wanting an epic, you'll probably have to track Hate. But for everything else, it's simply a matter of being online and showing up to whatever mob someone else tracked.

[Ooloo]

They do get treated differently ... they earn more DKP :D

But that's the beauty of DKP guilds: the hardcore players get enough DKP to deck their third alt out in Vulak gear ... while all the more casual players play a lot less, slowly save up DKP, and buy something cool for themselves every so often. Both pay the same price for everything: the hardcore people don't get special discounts or anything.

In either case though, you can be as hardcore, or as softcore, as you want. I mean, sure, if you're Mage wanting an epic, you'll probably have to track Hate. But for everything else, it's simply a matter of being online and showing up to whatever mob someone else tracked.

Well yes, and again I think it more or less should be that way. I guess my beef is with how guilds pitch themselves to new members, I wish they'd be a little more transparent and honest.

They should say: "Join our guild, it's "laid back" in the sense that you can earn DKP and eventually spend it, provided the guild doesn't fall apart before you ever get to bid on anything and also I hope you don't mind that everyone will probably ignore you the first few months of your membership if you need help with something that isn't a dkp-earning event. Join Seal-Safe-King-Legacy-Foh-Fow today!"

[Chortles Snortles]

https://i.imgur.com/aQ4xxS6.gif

[Ooloo]

Lmao I love chortles

[branamil]

A casual player has 0% chance to get BiS. , but then the casual player realizes that having 237 less HP and mana than a BiS player means precisely Jack shit in a throughly beaten dead game and the BiS player has no social life and crippling depression

[Ooloo]

A casual player has 0% chance to get BiS. , but then the casual player realizes that having 237 less HP and mana than a BiS player means precisely Jack shit in a throughly beaten dead game and the BiS player has no social life and crippling depression

This post sounds way more sour grapes than my post even did!

[tadkins]

Focusing more on positive thinking, imagine next time you log on to eq, it could be your perfect session with your perfect character, what would that be like? What would you do?

"Hey can you port my group and I to Iceclad? Also we're gonna head to ToFS and try to climb as high as we can. Got room for one more, want to join us?"

[cd288]

On the other side of the coin you could just ask the group if they need one more while you’re porting them

I pointed you toward a good guild on blue in kittens so if you ever decide to switch again and are willing to level to level 15 (I think that’s the minimum level for a new member) they are always a great option for a solid community that does multiple events during the week for high level chars

[tadkins]

I pointed you toward a good guild on blue in kittens so if you ever decide to switch again and are willing to level to level 15 (I think that’s the minimum level for a new member) they are always a great option for a solid community that does multiple events during the week for high level chars

Yup you did, and I applied. They wouldn't take me though. Granted I was only level 9, but also an untwinked level 9 (so it was going to take me a while to get to 15). Explained as such in the app, but they didn't care. It just led to me believing that they're a guild that wouldn't really care about me as a person, only a level number.

Figured if I was just going to be lonely anyway, it might as well be on green where I have a box of abu-kar.

[magnetaress]

If green was a restaurant it'd serve rat tartar with fresh cockroach paste. They'd bring the rat out to the table and kill it right infront of you and pour the crawling roaches into a blender.

The only thing to drink would be the cheapest Canadian whiskey cut with rainwater from a mosquito infested barrel out back nexto the dumpster.

I still highly recommend red99. ;)

[unsunghero]

Unfortunately even if OP apps to kingdom or any raid guild and gets accepted, he'll quickly realize that he's still gonna be passed over within his own guild unless he poopsocks and clique's up. Seemingly every guild on green now has the same pitch: "Join us cause it's totally laid back but also raid friendly" blah blah. We all know the people who are on discord and in game 24\7 are treated differently than the warm bodies.

That being said, I think it *should* be that way. This game is hard, and it's why I like it. Achievements feel meaningful if they are hard to achieve, regardless of what is making them hard to achieve. There are other games you can play if you want "contested" stuff more easily, although I'd argue it's no longer really contested if it's easy to get.

Yea this has been my experience 100%

I joined Castle easily. No issues, just agreed to the rules which I honestly can’t even remember anymore, but luckily still haven’t broken

Almost a year ago I tagged along to a few raids that I heard about in guildchat. But lately everything is pretty organized. There’s I believe a sign up sheet on discord, raid times are announced, etc. Doesn’t come close to the well-oiled machine that classic WoW (the 2020 version) raiding was for me, but still pretty dang organized

Discord and sign ups are too much trouble for me. I log in whenever I feel like it, and don’t like feeling compelled to log on at some pre-arranged time. I got enough of that shit in classic WoW when my co-worker who played (I joined his guild) and I were having to duck out of work early to not be replaced in the WoW raid sign up discord due to a 10 minute tardiness cutoff

So because it’s all too much effort for me, that means no raids. This isn’t a complaint though. I’m fine with it like you are. It’s how it should be, organized is better than scattered

But you better be ready to commit

[cd288]

Yup you did, and I applied. They wouldn't take me though. Granted I was only level 9, but also an untwinked level 9 (so it was going to take me a while to get to 15). Explained as such in the app, but they didn't care. It just led to me believing that they're a guild that wouldn't really care about me as a person, only a level number.

Figured if I was just going to be lonely anyway, it might as well be on green where I have a box of abu-kar.

They’re the largest guild on the server and they’d like to make sure it’s someone who has put a minimal amount of time in before they have an officer travel to invite you just to have you like quit the server a couple days later. It’s a pretty reasonable ask and has nothing to do with whether a guild is friendly or not.

Totally understand your overall feelings in this post, but you gotta be willing to meet halfway sometimes

[Jimjam]

"Hey can you port my group and I to Iceclad? Also we're gonna head to ToFS and try to climb as high as we can. Got room for one more, want to join us?"

Okay, so thats your ideal situation. Tell us more! As a porter would you be on your wizard or a druid? Would any other non porting class be acceptable? What level is everyone on that situation? Would you have played with the group of people before or in your ideal situation would they be strangers?

Lets understand your ideal eq day in great detail so we can work together and try help move towards that goal.

[Jimjam]

On the other side of the coin you could just ask the group if they need one more while you’re porting them

I pointed you toward a good guild on blue in kittens so if you ever decide to switch again and are willing to level to level 15 (I think that’s the minimum level for a new member) they are always a great option for a solid community that does multiple events during the week for high level chars

Great solution focused suggestion!

[Encroaching Death]

OP, I dunno if you'd be able to solo JBoots at 35 anyway. The AC mob you need to kill is level 41.

I'm not competitive at all. And I just soloed JBoots for my 52 Monk very easily. There was one person ahead of me and he left within 10 minutes of me arriving and then the AC popped 20 minutes later.

Granted, I was lucky. Usually it's a few hours to camp.

But still.

Are most casual players screwed out of a Mage epic? Probably. It's still achievable (if you're a mad man) but it's still achievable.

You get what you put in.

If you put in work, you get rewarded.

This isn't WoW where you can get top teir raid gear by queuing up for LFR.

You don't have to poopsock a spawn for 24 hours straight to get decent gear. But if you want every BiS item for your character, you gotta be a nerd in every sense of the word.

You can't take showers.

You can't eat healthy.

You absolutely can't touch women.

Because pixels are on the line.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

A casual player has 0% chance to get BiS. , but then the casual player realizes that having 237 less HP and mana than a BiS player means precisely Jack shit in a throughly beaten dead game and the BiS player has no social life and crippling depression

You don't need BiS gear for solid improvement on your gear. Plenty of mid tier raid items are affordable for casual players, and are still better than anything you are going to get outside of raiding.

My Shaman mostly has mid tier raid gear, and it's still a lot better overall than the alternative non-raid gear.

[Toxigen]

A casual player has 0% chance to get BiS. , but then the casual player realizes that having 237 less HP and mana than a BiS player means precisely Jack shit in a throughly beaten dead game and the BiS player has no social life and crippling depression

10/10

If you're over 10% lifetime RA you're a fucking loser, period.

[Jimjam]

OP, I dunno if you'd be able to solo JBoots at 35 anyway. The AC mob you need to kill is level 41.
The South Ro (and other rumoured versions ;)) are a fair bit lower.

[Encroaching Death]

The South Ro (and other rumoured versions ;)) are a fair bit lower.

The camp is also more of a pain in the ass. In my opinion.

If you're trying to get yourself JBoots, the OOT camp is the best option.

The one in SRO is 9 levels lower than the one in OOT.

Just buy SoW pots for those levels and save yourself the headache.

[PatChapp]

Spend 2k on sow pots,20pots will last you a long time
Jboots have their use but sow pots are so much better.

[Jibartik]

and other rumoured versions ;)

https://i.imgur.com/8PzaTd0.png

[Trelaboon]

Honestly you can gear really well, even raid gear just by earning lots of plat. Some people even do that just by tunnel flipping and earning plat that way, assuming you don’t play a class capable of farming. Things like Ring 9, scout rolls, HoT groups all make gearing to a decent level totally possible even for a casual player, just by means of luck.

[cd288]

Also the other thing to note here. While raiding guilds can always use more wizards your average dungeon crawl group doesn’t really (except in limited circumstances where Evac would be super critical or otherwise a port is needed in order to physically leave the zone without crawling through it.

I get that OP likes wizards and that’s fine to have one that you play, but it seems the primary goal here is to join dungeon groups and exp with people. If so, then OP should consider rolling an alt that would be useful to a group. Sure we can argue about how groups should be less “min/max” and willing to take people who aren’t as useful (which does happen in pugs in places like kc but not as much in a group forming to go to a specific place) but that’s just not the world we live in. So if the primary goal is “I want to play eq with people in dungeon groups” instead of “I have to play a wizard” then roll an alt that’s useful to a dungeon group

[Toxigen]

Just roll an enchanter and you can do everything.

[Chortles Snortles]

including dying often
(lol)

[tadkins]

Also the other thing to note here. While raiding guilds can always use more wizards your average dungeon crawl group doesn’t really (except in limited circumstances where Evac would be super critical or otherwise a port is needed in order to physically leave the zone without crawling through it.

I get that OP likes wizards and that’s fine to have one that you play, but it seems the primary goal here is to join dungeon groups and exp with people. If so, then OP should consider rolling an alt that would be useful to a group. Sure we can argue about how groups should be less “min/max” and willing to take people who aren’t as useful (which does happen in pugs in places like kc but not as much in a group forming to go to a specific place) but that’s just not the world we live in. So if the primary goal is “I want to play eq with people in dungeon groups” instead of “I have to play a wizard” then roll an alt that’s useful to a dungeon group

I just wish I could find acceptance as a wizard, that's all.

If I finally make it into a regular dungeon group, but I was required to be a shadow knight or something, am I really accepted as a person?

I'll say that Rogue is probably the one other class that does interest me, if only the GMs would fix the faction situation.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=407124

[Castle2.0]

I just wish I could find acceptance as a wizard, that's all.

If I finally make it into a regular dungeon group, but I was required to be a shadow knight or something, am I really accepted as a person?

I'll say that Rogue is probably the one other class that does interest me, if only the GMs would fix the faction situation.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=407124

Sorry, I had to LOL. IRL you are neither a shadowknight nor a wizard. You can be accepted as a person regardless of your in-game toon race/class/deity, brother. Cmon, jack.

Ill give it to you simple: you have a self-sabotaging attitude. Stinkin thinkin will leave you wallowing in a pile of you know what. So buck up and keep a positive mental attitude. You'll find a way.

[Encroaching Death]

I just wish I could find acceptance as a wizard, that's all.

If I finally make it into a regular dungeon group, but I was required to be a shadow knight or something, am I really accepted as a person?

I'll say that Rogue is probably the one other class that does interest me, if only the GMs would fix the faction situation.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=407124

If Wizards were more group-friendly, I'd main one.

Quadding is fun though. Have you tried it?

You make up all the fun during Raids too. My Necro is too boring during Raids. I get excited when someone needs mana...

Wizards can also essentially sit at Hammer Hill and make cash virtually AFK. So it's not all bad.

[unsunghero]

including dying often
(lol)

I tried for the first time giving a torch to a hasted blue mob more than a week ago. Charm broke due to a bullshit bug in the p99 code; charm is not supposed to break early here

Anyway the thing ate through my two shields and melted me down to 25% before I could land a stun. Another bullshit bug where I can’t channel through every hit like was promised on forums

Until they fix the charm breaking and not being able to channel bugs I have stopped doing that. I don’t feel like having to plant my pet halfway across the zone to be safe, I’ll just stop with the torches

I can’t even imagine giving it a haste item….

[Jimjam]

If Wizards were more group-friendly, I'd main one.

Quadding is fun though. Have you tried it?

You make up all the fun during Raids too. My Necro is too boring during Raids. I get excited when someone needs mana...

Wizards can also essentially sit at Hammer Hill and make cash virtually AFK. So it's not all bad.

Something close to a group experience for wizards is to bind at the ocean of tears ancient cyclops, quad seafuries and gate back to bind to hang out with AC crew between quads. They are a friendly lot these days and as Tadkins mentions it is overcamped by level 60 druids, meaning you will almost always have potg to speed up them quads.

Gems worth over 50pp drop about 1:5 kills these days and there are still some seafuries blues at 56.

[tadkins]

Something close to a group experience for wizards is to bind at the ocean of tears ancient cyclops, quad seafuries and gate back to bind to hang out with AC crew between quads. They are a friendly lot these days and as Tadkins mentions it is overcamped by level 60 druids, meaning you will almost always have potg to speed up them quads.

Gems worth over 50pp drop about 1:5 kills these days and there are still some seafuries blues at 56.
To be fair I was referring to the SRo version of the AC. Wanted to try to earn jboots there legitimately, can't compete against all the high levels as a mere 30 something wizard. It was very demoralizing.

I know the OoT version is more stable, but you also have to be a far higher level, too high for a wizard to get to without jboots, really.

[cd288]

You can’t compete with the sro farmers because they use a class that can track so they will easily get fte before you

You don’t need jboots to level at all. Buy sow potions. I leveled a wizard into the 40s before I got bored and never had jboots. I used sow potions to quad with

[tadkins]

You can’t compete with the sro farmers because they use a class that can track so they will easily get fte before you

You don’t need jboots to level at all. Buy sow potions. I leveled a wizard into the 40s before I got bored and never had jboots. I used sow potions to quad with

The thing with sow potions though is that they're like 10p per 30mins, which is realistically only a couple of quads. There's no guarantee that you'll be able to recover that as most quad mobs aren't known for being super rich. There's also the issue of having to AFK and ending up maybe getting one quad per charge. Plus, if I'm in the middle of a quad and SoW drops I would be in trouble.

I really just wish I could get Jboots instead.

It all goes back to the title of the original thread. If I'm struggling to compete this much for something as simple as jboots, seriously, what chance does someone like me have here?

[Castle2.0]

The thing with sow potions though is that they're like 10p per 30mins, which is realistically only a couple of quads. There's no guarantee that you'll be able to recover that as most quad mobs aren't known for being super rich. There's also the issue of having to AFK and ending up maybe getting one quad per charge. Plus, if I'm in the middle of a quad and SoW drops I would be in trouble.

I really just wish I could get Jboots instead.

It all goes back to the title of the original thread. If I'm struggling to compete this much for something as simple as jboots, seriously, what chance does someone like me have here?

None, your terrible self-sabotaging attitude disqualifies you. Stop it.

[Jimjam]

You can always kill a few mid level mobs with fine steel weapons for a session to make up funds if you have a shortfall of pp from kiting.

Stop finding a problem for every solution Tadkins :)

On my red warrior, it isn't unusual to use 60pp of consumables to kill one blue con mob. It really doesn't take long to make that back just beating up a few greens on the way to a vendor.

[Tethler]

You don't need to find a group to accept you if you form the group yourself. Do a /w all LFG for your level range and send some tells.

[Jimjam]

You don't need to find a group to accept you if you form the group yourself. Do a /w all LFG for your level range and send some tells.

References:

Fellowship of the Ring

The Hobbit

[Lampolo]

So what's the problem? Higher lvl ppl are getting stuff lower lvl ppl can't get. Your fuckin mental. Your so over the top. You have histrionic personality disorder or something and this all for attention. Nobody is actually this stupid. You will get no more attention from me.

[Homesteaded]

None, your terrible self-sabotaging attitude disqualifies you. Stop it.

I did Sro at level 34 on my mage. Getting Sro AC is all about luck. Keep showing up and you’ll get it.

[unsunghero]

None, your terrible self-sabotaging attitude disqualifies you. Stop it.

“What one man can do another can do!!”

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K4J_QfiGRRc

[Ooloo]

Yeah you'd be surprised, sro AC is very gettable. Even if you're a tracking class, he has lots of spawn locations so you still just have to be lucky and have him spawn next to you for the most part. Also, sometimes at 9pm nobody else shows up and you get him all to yourself. I've gotten three sro ac's with very little time investment, sitting for hours at the OOT camp isn't super appealing.

[YendorLootmonkey]

When you're level 55+ (maybe lower if you're a cleric), you can join the Open WTOV raids and have a shot at gearing up on pretty decent Velious quest armor. Better than Thurgadin stuff. All you have to do is show up, contribute, and be willing to switch to Kael faction in order to turn in what you win.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=396961

Other than that, you can literally spend years not worrying about the grind, and just traveling around, making friends, doing group content, quests, helping others, and slowly building up your gear either through winning randoms, or making plat to buy the items or MQ rights to the stuff you want. You gotta give in order to receive.

After the rug was unexpectedly pulled out from under my feet and my guild was reduced to like 3 active players, I joined a static group with some friends, and we farmed stuff 2-3 times a week, sold what we won, and split the profits. With that, I was able to buy MQ rights for the PSG and SEoC for my epic (granted, I had everything else done/collected while Black Lotus was still a guild). I bought a Tolan's BP. I participated in the open WTOV raids and have all of the Forest Stalker armor I was wanting. I have two Bracers of Benevolence just by devoting time to showing up when Scout Charisa spawned and winning /randoms (everyone there kills the mob for you).

There is plenty of opportunity if you leverage the social aspect of the game and build a network of people who enjoying grouping/playing with you. Also understand that unless you're a raider, you don't NEED best in slot items, epics, or anything fancy to enjoy the game.

I'm sorry you didn't have a great experience with <Castle>, but maybe you could give them another try. Or maybe <Pals> or <The Drift>.

Trying to play this game solo is a tough path and you will get discouraged.

[Ooloo]

Scout roll is definitely one of my favorite things, I wish there was more content in the game that operated that way. It forces people from all different guilds who might normally be rivals to work together, and anyone 55+ can participate, and the bracers and talisman are quite nice for the work involved.

Does anyone ever take the robe? I'm not a caster I don't even know if it's good, usually seems to be mostly melee and priests who show up though.

[loramin]

Scout roll is definitely one of my favorite things, I wish there was more content in the game that operated that way. It forces people from all different guilds who might normally be rivals to work together, and anyone 55+ can participate, and the bracers and talisman are quite nice for the work involved.

Does anyone ever take the robe? I'm not a caster I don't even know if it's good, usually seems to be mostly melee and priests who show up though.

The robe is garbage, taking it is a dick move.

[cd288]

When you're level 55+ (maybe lower if you're a cleric), you can join the Open WTOV raids and have a shot at gearing up on pretty decent Velious quest armor. Better than Thurgadin stuff. All you have to do is show up, contribute, and be willing to switch to Kael faction in order to turn in what you win.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=396961

Other than that, you can literally spend years not worrying about the grind, and just traveling around, making friends, doing group content, quests, helping others, and slowly building up your gear either through winning randoms, or making plat to buy the items or MQ rights to the stuff you want. You gotta give in order to receive.

After the rug was unexpectedly pulled out from under my feet and my guild was reduced to like 3 active players, I joined a static group with some friends, and we farmed stuff 2-3 times a week, sold what we won, and split the profits. With that, I was able to buy MQ rights for the PSG and SEoC for my epic (granted, I had everything else done/collected while Black Lotus was still a guild). I bought a Tolan's BP. I participated in the open WTOV raids and have all of the Forest Stalker armor I was wanting. I have two Bracers of Benevolence just by devoting time to showing up when Scout Charisa spawned and winning /randoms (everyone there kills the mob for you).

There is plenty of opportunity if you leverage the social aspect of the game and build a network of people who enjoying grouping/playing with you. Also understand that unless you're a raider, you don't NEED best in slot items, epics, or anything fancy to enjoy the game.

I'm sorry you didn't have a great experience with <Castle>, but maybe you could give them another try. Or maybe <Pals> or <The Drift>.

Trying to play this game solo is a tough path and you will get discouraged.

To be fair to op, the whole building a network of people to group with can be difficult given his class. Being a wizard can make it pretty tough to break into a group. That’s why I suggested he should maybe roll and alt that’s not conducive to grouping.

[loramin]

Even wizards can invite people to groups.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

The robe is garbage, taking it is a dick move.

Robe of Benevolence is decent for Enchanters. It saves you 10-20k (depending on server) because you can get Robe of Benevolence instead of Ice Silk Robe. Their stats are similar.

But it is the weakest of the three pieces for sure. The Bracer and Talisman are much better.

[Jibartik]

its a pretty good robe for the level that its attainable

[tadkins]

There is plenty of opportunity if you leverage the social aspect of the game and build a network of people who enjoying grouping/playing with you. Also understand that unless you're a raider, you don't NEED best in slot items, epics, or anything fancy to enjoy the game.

I know, it's just, been interested in EQ for 20+ years starting with live before Kunark, and I've never been able to earn an epic. I know I don't *need* it, but it's still something I dream of earning one day.

I'm sorry you didn't have a great experience with <Castle>, but maybe you could give them another try. Or maybe <Pals> or <The Drift>.

I appreciate that but Castle straight up made fun of me while I was in the guild, when I admitted that I had never experienced what getting a rez was like since I never had any cleric friends. From my time as a DaPer they were also the worst tippers by far as well, lol. I have never had a good experience with any Castle member.

I could consider the other two guilds, Pals don't seem like bad people. Don't really know anything about the Drift. Not sure I'd be able to get an epic with them though.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Not sure I'd be able to get an epic with them though.

I mean, I get it, but I would encourage you to not look at potential guilds through a lens of "can they get me an epic or not?" and maybe instead "do they fit my playstyle and level of commitment to the game, and do I like their culture?"

No one is entitled to epic weapons. Not everyone may earn one. If every Tom, Dick, and Harry had one then they wouldn't be "epic". There's a reason why most have parts that are bottlenecked by a raid target. If achieving an epic is that important to you, I would suggest rolling a rogue or monk.... lol

[tadkins]

I mean, I get it, but I would encourage you to not look at potential guilds through a lens of "can they get me an epic or not?" and maybe instead "do they fit my playstyle and level of commitment to the game, and do I like their culture?"

No one is entitled to epic weapons. Not everyone may earn one. If every Tom, Dick, and Harry had one then they wouldn't be "epic". There's a reason why most have parts that are bottlenecked by a raid target. If achieving an epic is that important to you, I would suggest rolling a rogue or monk.... lol
I just always wished I could earn something standout and cool in this game, something so that I don't have to feel like a massive loser. It feels like every tom, dick and harry *has* earned an epic at this point, yet somehow I can't, and it's killed all shreds of my confidence.

Just want to feel like I won at something.

But yes admittedly I have considered maining a rogue, monk, cleric or shaman, just because of how their epics are, but try as I might I just can't get into any of those classes.

[Ooloo]

You really shouldn't put too much stock in epics. Yes many people have them, and that's usually cause they are playing a class with an easy epic. Most wizards don't have the wizard epic. Meanwhile, seemingly every fuckin lvl 46+ shaman has that stupid spear. It's almost an anti-epic to me; I find it more interesting when I see a shaman who *doesn't* have it.

There are so many ways to enjoy the game, and it literally *can't* be won, so don't lose sleep over not winning. You can't. It's called everquest for a reason

[Jimjam]

Apparently you can bypass a lot of the tedious part of the wizard epic by farming shaman epic faction.

It certainly works up to getting the broken golem’s sprocket as I’ve farmed a bunch of them to help my guild out. Most guilds will be happy to do a broken golem after doing the triplet golems.

If you’re on green there is at least one active social club for helping each other out with phinny. That just leaves VS.

If you really want any epic rogue/monk are easy (monk is pretty fun too!). Shaman is mostly gaming the faction system which is /yawn.

[tadkins]

You really shouldn't put too much stock in epics. Yes many people have them, and that's usually cause they are playing a class with an easy epic. Most wizards don't have the wizard epic. Meanwhile, seemingly every fuckin lvl 46+ shaman has that stupid spear. It's almost an anti-epic to me; I find it more interesting when I see a shaman who *doesn't* have it.

There are so many ways to enjoy the game, and it literally *can't* be won, so don't lose sleep over not winning. You can't. It's called everquest for a reason

My shaman doesn't have it, is he special in any way?

but yeah, I know one can't fully win the game, it would just be nice to experience some sort of victory in it one day, that's all. One thing, anything, that will help me feel like somebody.

Apparently you can bypass a lot of the tedious part of the wizard epic by farming shaman epic faction.

It certainly works up to getting the broken golem’s sprocket as I’ve farmed a bunch of them to help my guild out. Most guilds will be happy to do a broken golem after doing the triplet golems.

If you’re on green there is at least one active social club for helping each other out with phinny. That just leaves VS.

If you really want any epic rogue/monk are easy (monk is pretty fun too!). Shaman is mostly gaming the faction system which is /yawn.

I would prefer to do it the proper way, step by step as written on the wiki. When you try to do some weird off-road stuff things seem to slip through the cracks, so I'd rather just do it the legit way.

But yeah the wizard epic doesn't seem impossible. Not as easy as rogue or cleric, but not as hopeless as mage or bard either. I still really want it one day.

[Swish]

Shaman is mostly gaming the faction system which is /yawn.

https://i.imgur.com/GyaUGaT.gif

[fortior]

OP sounds like they don’t want to have fun but they want to earn respect. And you don’t do that by playing p99. Just enjoy the adventure man. Be a pleasant person to be around. The loot and stories will come.

[Ooloo]

My shaman doesn't have it, is he special in any way?

Yes, yes he is.

I commend you for not being yet another lvl 46 epic'ed shaman named Doinkus Itchybutt or whatever

[dareo]

Welcome to Everquest, a game of slow and steady progression. Any class at nearly any level can grind out progress in the way of items, plat, quests, and getting to lvl 60. Get experienced and apply to a Good Guild. Create value for others and they will create it for you.

[Ooloo]

Welcome to Everquest, a game of slow and steady progression. Any class at nearly any level can grind out progress in the way of items, plat, quests, and getting to lvl 60. Get experienced and apply to a Good Guild. Create value for others and they will create it for you.

Best advice itt.

[Castle2.0]

I just always wished I could earn something standout and cool in this game, something so that I don't have to feel like a massive loser. It feels like every tom, dick and harry *has* earned an epic at this point, yet somehow I can't, and it's killed all shreds of my confidence.

Just want to feel like I won at something.

But yes admittedly I have considered maining a rogue, monk, cleric or shaman, just because of how their epics are, but try as I might I just can't get into any of those classes.

Then do something original. See my signature for inspiration.

[tadkins]

Then do something original. See my signature for inspiration.

I might have been the only human caster on the server that was ally with the Spurned in Neriak.

nobody cares about that though

[Encroaching Death]

I might have been the only human caster on the server that was ally with the Spurned in Neriak.

nobody cares about that though

I do.

Humans are the best race, because no one likes them.

They're also the superior monk, because I say so and will ignore any and all evidence to the contrary.

[cd288]

I might have been the only human caster on the server that was ally with the Spurned in Neriak.

nobody cares about that though

Therein lies your problem. Who cares what anyone else thinks. Do you think that was a cool thing for your wizard to accomplish? If yes, then that’s all that matters.

Nobody on this server cares about anyone else’s accomplishments. If you got a wizard epic no one is gonna look at it and be like whoa dude that’s so awesome!! It’s all about your own opinion about things you’re doing.

[Jimjam]

I might have been the only human caster on the server that was ally with the Spurned in Neriak.

nobody cares about that though

That is a decent achievement! My human wiz is tolerated but not loved in neriak

[tadkins]

Therein lies your problem. Who cares what anyone else thinks. Do you think that was a cool thing for your wizard to accomplish? If yes, then that’s all that matters.

Nobody on this server cares about anyone else’s accomplishments. If you got a wizard epic no one is gonna look at it and be like whoa dude that’s so awesome!! It’s all about your own opinion about things you’re doing.

Someone on this server got a custom title for becoming non-KoS everywhere as an ogre. I just wish I could earn something like that.

True story, back in the first days of Green when yellow text achievements were popping up all over the place for literally every little thing, I was probably the first on the server to reach 200+ on a tradeskill. While you all were probably leveling and such, I was busy maxing Brewing on a 110 int wizard. Scrounged together every little plat by killing willowwisps in QH. Busted my butt, hurt my wrists a bit even, but then I hit 200 Brewing and...nothing. Nothing at all happened. My dream of earning one of those yellow announcements was dashed. The devs mentioned that being an achievement but it wasn't true. I honestly was crushed.

I just really want to earn just one thing cool, that's all.

[Jimjam]

Someone on this server got a custom title for becoming non-KoS everywhere as an ogre. I just wish I could earn something like that.

True story, back in the first days of Green when yellow text achievements were popping up all over the place for literally every little thing, I was probably the first on the server to reach 200+ on a tradeskill. While you all were probably leveling and such, I was busy maxing Brewing on a 110 int wizard. Scrounged together every little plat by killing willowwisps in QH. Busted my butt, hurt my wrists a bit even, but then I hit 200 Brewing and...nothing. Nothing at all happened. My dream of earning one of those yellow announcements was dashed. The devs mentioned that being an achievement but it wasn't true. I honestly was crushed.

I just really want to earn just one thing cool, that's all.

Did you submit a bug report? That is something which will need attention for the next iteration of green (assuming they choose to redo that unclassic features :D).

[Castle2.0]

I might have been the only human caster on the server that was ally with the Spurned in Neriak.

nobody cares about that though

My DE wizard is amiable to the halfling clerics. Not an easy task. Likely the only DE wizard on the entire server with that faction. And it has its uses.

I am also the only character on the server currently dual-wielding Wurmslayers (prim + offhand.)

I find these enjoyable achievements I barely mention. Who cares what anyone thinks when you know you're #1? I only care what #1 on the server thinks... and he thinks I'm awesome :D

[Castle2.0]

Someone on this server got a custom title for becoming non-KoS everywhere as an ogre. I just wish I could earn something like that.

True story, back in the first days of Green when yellow text achievements were popping up all over the place for literally every little thing, I was probably the first on the server to reach 200+ on a tradeskill. While you all were probably leveling and such, I was busy maxing Brewing on a 110 int wizard. Scrounged together every little plat by killing willowwisps in QH. Busted my butt, hurt my wrists a bit even, but then I hit 200 Brewing and...nothing. Nothing at all happened. My dream of earning one of those yellow announcements was dashed. The devs mentioned that being an achievement but it wasn't true. I honestly was crushed.

I just really want to earn just one thing cool, that's all.

Who cares about yellow text. If there is a yellow text for it, it has been done before and will be done again. Dude, get over it. Go do something truly original.

[Bardp1999]

Go do something truly original.

Be like Castle, make 50 accounts and spend 2000 man hours camping level 30 mobs on a max level character only to get griefed off the server by the devs and all your time and plat wasted.

"fastest to level 50 on a level 60 capped server". If you're not first, you're last

[magnetaress]

To be fair I was referring to the SRo version of the AC. Wanted to try to earn jboots there legitimately, can't compete against all the high levels as a mere 30 something wizard. It was very demoralizing.

I know the OoT version is more stable, but you also have to be a far higher level, too high for a wizard to get to without jboots, really.

I've done it.

I got 50 on red without boots.

Then camped oot guy cuz I'm really lazy.

It's honestly not that bad. Even killing 1-3 mobs at a time using single target nukes in basically befallen tier gear.

Just requires a bit of patience. It's about half as slow as quadding . And kinda faster than grouping a lot of times.

Especially if u only consider # of button presses and actual necessary screen time. It's like a tiny percentage of the total time and effort to grp.

[Keebz]

The secret to unlocking all of P99 is a two step process:

1) Don't be intolerable

2) Join the top guild on the server

You don't have to be "competitive" or "skilled", you just need to show up once in a while and get points. If you just wanna do epics or HoT, you can chill in a smaller guild.

[Jimjam]

The secret to unlocking all of P99 is a two step process:

1) Don't be intolerable

2) Join the top guild on the server

You don't have to be "competitive" or "skilled", you just need to show up once in a while and get points. If you just wanna do epics or HoT, you can chill in a smaller guild.

If you’re nice you can get people to vouch for you and be let into raiding guilds without even a raid level character as they’ll trust you to use a shared toon instead. Removes the pressure of “is my toon geared enough” and stuff.

[tadkins]

Did you submit a bug report? That is something which will need attention for the next iteration of green (assuming they choose to redo that unclassic features :D).

Admittedly I didn't do a bug report (though that's a great idea, I really should have at the time) but I did petition extensively to no avail.

https://i.imgur.com/jB7q2ft.png
https://i.imgur.com/y8un2ao.png

I'm not at all kidding when I said I would have framed that shit. It would have been the closest thing to a trophy I've ever earned in my life.

I guess I'm just doomed to be a loser forever. Nothing I do ever seems to work out.

Since my time here is probably coming to a close soon...meh.

https://i.imgur.com/uvtDB3e.png

at least the dwarf looked at me

[loramin]

Just to give a little more context, that page changed over time. Originally Rogean asked for ideas, people just spewed them into the forum, and I made a wiki page to organize them in one place. Then, over time, the page morphed into recording achievements ... which was a natural progression ... but I guess it may have made parts of the page unclear.

Regardless, you can still add yourself as the first Master Brewer of Green; https://wiki.project1999.com/Green_(2019)_Server_Firsts is literally a wiki page. Anyone can edit it, as long as they're not vandalizing the page.

But look, in regards to your statement to the staff ("All that work ... and I get nothing?") ... whether you got an "official" server first, or just one you claimed for yourself in the wiki ... you were always going to get nothing. Nobody cares what is written on that page except the people on it, and most of them have long since stopped caring also.

Nobody does server firsts on an emulated server of a 20+ year old game because the clouds part and the sun shines down and they become anointed by the gods ... they do them for the fun of doing them, and maybe then fun of telling random group members "I was actually the first here to do ____".

You had fun (or maybe you didn't?), you can still tell people about your achievement, and you can still record it for all eternity in the wiki (where, again, no one cares): that's all you were ever going to get.

Just like EVERYTHING that ANYONE achieves in this game ... a game that's ultimately about nothing, except one's and zero's on a computer in Rogean's server cage ... the only value is the value you assign.

[tadkins]

Just to give a little more context, that page changed over time. Originally Rogean asked for ideas, people just spewed them into the forum, and I made a wiki page to organize them in one place. Then, over time, the page morphed into recording achievements ... which was a natural progression ... but I guess it may have made parts of the page unclear.

Regardless, you can still add yourself as the first Master Brewer of Green; https://wiki.project1999.com/Green_(2019)_Server_Firsts is literally a wiki page. Anyone can edit it, as long as they're not vandalizing the page.

But look, in regards to your statement to the staff ("All that work ... and I get nothing?") ... whether you got an "official" server first, or just one you claimed for yourself in the wiki ... you were always going to get nothing. Nobody cares what is written on that page except the people on it, and most of them have long since stopped caring also.

Nobody does server firsts on an emulated server of a 20+ year old game because the clouds part and the sun shines down and they become anointed by the gods ... they do them for the fun of doing them, and maybe then fun of telling random group members "I was actually the first here to do ____".

You had fun (or maybe you didn't?), you can still tell people about your achievement, and you can still record it for all eternity in the wiki (where, again, no one cares): that's all you were ever going to get.

Just like EVERYTHING that ANYONE achieves in this game ... a game that's ultimately about nothing, except one's and zero's on a computer in Rogean's server cage ... the only value is the value you assign.

The character in question that I did the thing with is long deleted so it doesn't really matter anymore I suppose. Had I known I could do something like that on the wiki though I would have done it.

I know I wasn't going to get anything tangible besides the server announcement. That's all I ever wanted, to be recognized as somebody who did something. To feel like somebody, even if only for 15 minutes, in a game where I've been a nobody for 20+ years.

But eh, if people were getting achievements for killing Fippy Darkpaw and getting a level 5 monk, I figured getting 200+ Brewing would have been achievement-worthy. Definitely far harder than any of those.

[loramin]

That's all I ever wanted, to be recognized as somebody who did something. To feel like somebody, even if only for 15 minutes, in a game where I've been a nobody for 20+ years.

Right, well again getting any server first isn't how you do that. Everyone on that page is still a nobody ... unless they're a somebody for a different (non-server-first) reason.

Look at the people who are somebodies here. Guild and raid leaders are known for how well they lead, as well as how well they get along with othe guilds (or don't ... but I'm not going to name names). Youtubers like Kraddok are known for the amusing and/or interesting content they create.

Posters like Jimjam or Danth offers sage/helpful advice, while Yendor offers intelligent non-raider takes on things. I myself waste way too much time on the wiki, Magnataress writes the most posts/post text, by sheer quantity ... hell even Chuckles, arguably the biggest loser on the server, at least makes the other trolls laugh with his trolling.

What makes you a somebody isn't the pixels or the server firsts, it's the impact you make on other humans.

[tadkins]

Right, well again getting any server first isn't how you do that. Everyone on that page is still a nobody ... unless they're a somebody for a different (non-server-first) reason.

Look at the people who are somebodies here. Guild and raid leaders are known for how well they lead, as well as how well they get along with othe guilds (or don't ... but I'm not going to name names). Youtubers like Kraddok are known for the amusing and/or interesting content they create.

Posters like Jimjam or Danth offers sage/helpful advice, while Yendor offers intelligent non-raider takes on things. I myself waste way too much time on the wiki, Magnataress writes the most posts/post text, by sheer quantity ... hell even Chuckles, arguably the biggest loser on the server. at least makes the other trolls laugh with his trolling.

What makes you a somebody isn't the pixels or the server firsts, it's the impact you make on other humans.

At this point I feel like I could come out and announce...

"Hey! Wizard here! Skip DaP and feel free to message me anytime, anywhere for a free port. No questions asked and will always respond. I will even travel to your far off zone if needed. No tip or payment required. I exist only to serve the people of this server!"

...and somehow that's still not going to be enough, lol.

True story though, I was the reason one dude got his elder beads one day. Responded quickly to an emergency corpse run port right after he won them. How's that for impact, lol?

but eh, I just wish my time would come too

[Infectious]

At this point I feel like I could come out and announce...

"Hey! Wizard here! Skip DaP and feel free to message me anytime, anywhere for a free port. No questions asked and will always respond. I will even travel to your far off zone if needed. No tip or payment required. I exist only to serve the people of this server!"

...and somehow that's still not going to be enough, lol.

True story though, I was the reason one dude got his elder beads one day. Responded quickly to an emergency corpse run port right after he won them. How's that for impact, lol?

but eh, I just wish my time would come too

You will probably be recognized as the biggest cry baby after this. We all impact the game in different ways. Go get your shinebox.

[Ravager]

TL;DR: EverQuest is a pretty shitty game. Once you figure that out, then you can start having fun with it. Embrace the suck.

[Cen]

Your question is a real "how long is a piece of rope" question isn't it :p

I mean your chances on this server of having a fun time and socializing are quite high, but your chances of being the greatest hero that we all have ever heard of in EverQuest history are slightly lower.

[Ooloo]

Thread starting to remind me of this scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6WI_RYf_us

Great movie btw.

[Castle2.0]

Be like Castle, make 50 accounts and spend 2000 man hours camping level 30 mobs on a max level character only to get griefed off the server by the devs and all your time and plat wasted.

"fastest to level 50 on a level 60 capped server". If you're not first, you're last

I feel the jealousy. I still hold the fastest 1-50, amongst other records with more plat to burn than you'll ever see.

Have you done anything original or faster than anyone on any legit server ever? Sorry, get in line, pal, I have plenty of fans lining up for my signature :D

[cd288]

I feel the jealousy. I still hold the fastest 1-50, amongst other records with more plat to burn than you'll ever see.

Have you done anything original or faster than anyone on any legit server ever? Sorry, get in line, pal, I have plenty of fans lining up for my signature :D

Why won’t you provide the amount of time spent camping and transferring all the scrolls then

[Encroaching Death]

Why won’t you provide the amount of time spent camping and transferring all the scrolls then

https://media.tenor.com/SBpQ3-B2Tz0AAAAC/black-kid-laughing.gif

[Ooloo]

Why won’t you provide the amount of time spent camping and transferring all the scrolls then

Technically that doesn't really count toward his stated record any more than if he had kept track of all the time spent farming twink gear for a new character to level to 50 before the character was even made. The record is still technically what he states it to be.

[Infectious]

Technically that doesn't really count toward his stated record any more than if he had kept track of all the time spent farming twink gear for a new character to level to 50 before the character was even made. The record is still technically what he states it to be.

The thread can now be locked. May Castle be crowned the prince of Freeport. This day they shall remember!

[Castle2.0]

Why won’t you provide the amount of time spent camping and transferring all the scrolls then

[Trelaboon]

Yup you did, and I applied. They wouldn't take me though. Granted I was only level 9, but also an untwinked level 9 (so it was going to take me a while to get to 15). Explained as such in the app, but they didn't care. It just led to me believing that they're a guild that wouldn't really care about me as a person, only a level number.

Figured if I was just going to be lonely anyway, it might as well be on green where I have a box of abu-kar.

This reply here just made me realize that this person is one of those Eeyore types and this entire thread is a waste of our time. Seriously, we’re just feeding a troll at this point.

[Encroaching Death]

This reply here just made me realize that this person is one of those Eeyore types and this entire thread is a waste of our time. Seriously, we’re just feeding a troll at this point.

Aren't we all trolls wasting time here, though?

[loramin]

This reply here just made me realize that this person is one of those Eeyore types and this entire thread is a waste of our time. Seriously, we’re just feeding a troll at this point.

Heh, funny you should say that, since back on page #5 I posted ...

The reason your version of reality is so different is also clear from your posts: your problem isn't EQ, and it's not guilds rejecting you ... it's:

https://media.tenor.com/yn354c9M0uwAAAAC/depression-eeyore.gif

Go outside and get some exercise. The endorphins will help, and being around greenery will help. Call a friend up, watch a movie you love, and if your condition is more serious, talk to a doctor.

But take your mental health seriously: it impacts so much of your life, and if you're this depressed, I'm guessing a lack of a guild isn't the only side effect.

Unfortunately OP didn't take my advice.

[Trelaboon]

Aren't we all trolls wasting time here, though?

To this degree? Most definitely not.

[Ooloo]

Seriously though I mainly just hope OP is okay, like irl. He sounds insanely depressed, and if it's all an act that's actually kind of *more* concerning.

[Ravager]

To this degree? Most definitely not.

The distinction between time spent and time wasted is whatever you arbitrarily value. But yeah, this is a complete waste of time, you're better off spending it somewhere else.

[magnetaress]

Ur not really wasting time until they merge red green and blue into purple and launch red 2.0 and u make a fresh toon there.

Hope this helps.

[tadkins]

Seriously though I mainly just hope OP is okay, like irl. He sounds insanely depressed, and if it's all an act that's actually kind of *more* concerning.

For what it's worth; no, it's not an act. I genuinely am depressed as hell, my self-confidence is at a literal 0, and I honestly am just tired of being ignored and losing all the time. I really do just want to experience one victory. Game or life, I'll take either one. Just one win.

But, for what it's worth as well, I am also in therapy atm trying to get things worked out and trying to become a functional adult again.

[Jimjam]

I’m sorry to read you feel ignored, but I can see from this thread you are valued and there are many here who regard you fondly.

If you mention your eq struggles to your therapist - they can probably use it as a vehicle to help you achieve in game and test out strategies to use irl.

[loramin]

For what it's worth; no, it's not an act. I genuinely am depressed as hell, my self-confidence is at a literal 0, and I honestly am just tired of being ignored and losing all the time. I really do just want to experience one victory. Game or life, I'll take either one. Just one win.

But, for what it's worth as well, I am also in therapy atm trying to get things worked out and trying to become a functional adult again.

Good for you man: best of luck in feeling better.

[Lampolo]

Make sure to tell your therapist your seeking attention even in the form of pitty.

[Alarria]

Sorry, I had to LOL. IRL you are neither a shadowknight nor a wizard. You can be accepted as a person regardless of your in-game toon race/class/deity, brother. Cmon, jack.

Ill give it to you simple: you have a self-sabotaging attitude. Stinkin thinkin will leave you wallowing in a pile of you know what. So buck up and keep a positive mental attitude. You'll find a way.

Gotta say I agree 100%. What's with the woe is me attitude? If you are experiencing depression, playing Everquest, especially on P99 is not going to help at all. It's a 24 year old game being emulated and playable for free. There's nothing that hasn't been done. If you really wanna play a wizard, do it. Find a dark blue mob on a 6:40 timer and nuke it and med and do something else. You'll level up to max eventually. Any raid guild would love a 60 wizard, and there are a ton of great, friendly guiilds. Fires of Heaven is my guild, and I raid rarely. When I do, I am welcome and the people are fantastic and friendly. There's no caste system or anything, everyone is treated fairly and with respect.

There's also Pals, and The Drift for newer folks, welcoming and don't tolerate nonsence. Loramin gave great advice though, go outside and forget the game. It's not going anywhere. Self care > respect from randoms on an old, emulated game.

[Bruna]

Hi Tadkins,

Please don’t mind the negative comments, these people are mean. Please message me and my boyfriend, we are more than happy to help you with your epic. We have a powerful team of friends that can help.

I am Theea and my boyfriend is Woodark.

[unsunghero]

Hi Tadkins,

Please don’t mind the negative comments, these people are mean. Please message me and my boyfriend, we are more than happy to help you with your epic. We have a powerful team of friends that can help.

I am Theea and my boyfriend is Woodark.

Don’t listen to any of them, Tadkins. I’ll help you out

I don’t know anyone else and I log in less than once a week. We got this

[Encroaching Death]

Don't trust anyone, Tadkins.

The government is after you.

Just follow these instructions on this napkin.

Get to the sewers now.

Viva La Resistance!

[tadkins]

I’m sorry to read you feel ignored, but I can see from this thread you are valued and there are many here who regard you fondly.

If you mention your eq struggles to your therapist - they can probably use it as a vehicle to help you achieve in game and test out strategies to use irl.

Good for you man: best of luck in feeling better.

Hi Tadkins,

Please don’t mind the negative comments, these people are mean. Please message me and my boyfriend, we are more than happy to help you with your epic. We have a powerful team of friends that can help.

I am Theea and my boyfriend is Woodark.

Appreciate that y'all. Another thing I'm trying to learn in therapy is learning how to deal with all the bad people out there, so no worries.

Just going to focus on doing what I can as a solo player. At least it's still possible to get to 60 on a wizard with one. And then try gear as much as can feasibly done as a solo player. In between I've got my goal of max ally with every faction thing going on too. Currently fixing Opal Darkbriar through the Bloodsabers after maxxing both Arcane Scientists and Order of Three.

It'll be alright.