People who buy money on MMO sales sites.

[ryandward]

Please ban them. If you say that it doesn't happen, there are tons of websites that sell P99 plat.

[Nedala]

oh yeah? how about you post that in the exploit section with some actual links maybe?

[Kika Maslyaka]

thinking of it - emu server are true gold mine for the gold farmers :D
they don't even need to pay monthly fee - and there are always people who have more cash than brains :D

[Amelinda]

thinking of it - emu server are true gold mine for the gold farmers :D

until they get caught:D

Uthgaard is the most thorough researcher I have ever had the pleasure of meeting. :)

[Ektar]

why does doing something illegal make you unintelligent?

[baalzy]

Spending RL cash for 0's and 1's in an emulated server that actively hunts people who try to do those kind of activities makes you unintelligent.

[Harrison]

Yeah, spending money on a hobby is so stupid.

Sounds like some poor people are super jelly.

[Ektar]

the implication was that the person receiving the RL cash is unintelligent

wait, I think I read it wrong :P nm

[Amelinda]

Yeah, spending money on a hobby is so stupid.

Sounds like some poor people are super jelly.

Speaking from my standpoint - I am not jelly....I seldom play anymore but my little pixels want for nothing......... It is against server rules. If you do it and are caught...we WILL ban you.

Even if you use mules ... we will find you and we will catch your main....:D

[Dr4z3r]

Ahem.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=35747

[ryandward]

I'm not sure if I've run into these people, but it seems like I have... level 35-40 Shadowknights who have no idea how to keep aggro, Monks who don't know how to Feign Death. The list goes on and on and on, it's really sad actually.

Theoretically, if you had enough money to powerlevel you to thirties, you would at least have some idea about simple game mechanics.

Although, I did run into a Monk who said his sister gave him 250,000, he was around level 20 with all the best possible gear, and had no idea what he was doing.

[impact]

why does doing something illegal make you unintelligent?

it doesn't but it's something that is made up to be a sterotype in order to convince kids that the police always get their bad guy, when it is in fact not the case.

[ryandward]

Easy fix, MySQL query to toon with max plat and toon with max level on the same account, and interrogate those people with seriously misaligned results. Although, now that I look at this, it looks Nazi-esque.

[UrsusMajor]

until they get caught:D

Uthgaard is the most thorough researcher I have ever had the pleasure of meeting. :)

Just wondering, are you having Uthgaard's baby or what?

[UrsusMajor]

it doesn't but it's something that is made up to be a sterotype in order to convince kids that the police always get their bad guy, when it is in fact not the case.

I have bought gold in every MMO I have subscribed to except UO and have never been banned for it.

Since there is no burden of proof though, on this server, the powers that be can ban people at their whim so you take a bit of a bigger chance buying/selling here. With that said, who really gives a fuck if they get banned, IT'S A FREE SERVER!

[Kassel]

I have bought gold in every MMO I have subscribed to except UO and have never been banned for it.

Since there is no burden of proof though, on this server, the powers that be can ban people at their whim so you take a bit of a bigger chance buying/selling here. With that said, who really gives a fuck if they get banned, IT'S A FREE SERVER!

A fee for service has nothing to do with still wanting to play on the server.

[Gustahn]

I have bought gold in every MMO I have subscribed to except UO and have never been banned for it.

Since there is no burden of proof though, on this server, the powers that be can ban people at their whim so you take a bit of a bigger chance buying/selling here. With that said, who really gives a fuck if they get banned, IT'S A FREE SERVER!

Cost on the individual does not negate the total cost of, nor potential legal obligations in unlicensed 3rd party transactions.

[getsome]

I am bored . . . .

Money Laundering on P99 is a dirty business.

Lesson 1 - business of banks (bob)
"farmer" rmts pp to "buyer"

'farmer' gives pp to 'ecunnel tunnel escrow trader' (for lack of a better acronym lets call this "bob")

"farmer" tells "bob" brb on "buyer"

"buyer" collects pp from "bob"

Lesson 2 - the sleeper cell
"farmer" creates new account with char called "100kplat"

"farmer" transfers 100k pp to "100kplat" (using bob or a trusted and unsuspecting friend to transfer pp)

"100kplat" sleeps for a month

"farmer" rmts pp to "buyer"

"farmer" delivers pp by providing account info of "100kplat" to "buyer"

Lesson 3 - the EC rip off
"farmer" rmts 10k plat to "buyer"

"farmer" tells "buyer" to meet in EC Tunnel and auction a random 1k item.

"buyer" auctions WTS - Diamond

"farmer" tell "buyer" i will buy your diamond. "buyer" replies 11k @ T1.

"farmer" puts 11k in trade window, "buyer" puts diamond in window and hits trade.


You can put in as middle men into these transaction as you have the time for. further diluting the pp trail. all the time using various ip proxies.

you can break up the pp denominations of tranfers as well. since i doubt "bobs" have any reporting requirements when people dump plat for transfers.

[guineapig]

I have bought gold in every MMO I have subscribed to except UO and have never been banned for it.

Since there is no burden of proof though, on this server, the powers that be can ban people at their whim so you take a bit of a bigger chance buying/selling here. With that said, who really gives a fuck if they get banned, IT'S A FREE SERVER!


Um.... spending real life money to purchase in game money. Then getting banned and the money spent is wasted. Let me see... why would somebody be upset about that.... :rolleyes:

[baalzy]

I am bored . . . .

Money Laundering on P99 is a dirty business.

Lesson 1 - business of banks (bob)
"farmer" rmts pp to "buyer"




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[Kika Maslyaka]

the implication was that the person receiving the RL cash is unintelligent

wait, I think I read it wrong :P nm

implication was that the person paying is.

yes its fine to spend money on a hobby, but spending RL cash to buy something that suppose to obtained via process of PLAYING, eliminates entire purpose of actualy playing.

Its equalent to - you playing a game of monopoly with your friends, and you say - "ok guys, i will give each of you $5, and you declare me a winner..."
Yeah you can do that - but then there is no point of playing what so ever.

You may very well just look at your EQ CD disk and announce to yourself- "I came, I saw, I conquered" and put it back into a box. You have won.

[Ektar]

wait, I think I read it wrong :P nm

...

[Nirgon]

Just for anyone who thinks they're slick trying to mask IP (use a different computer remotely otherwise) GMs can see juuuust a lil more than your character's name on a /who... you'll get caught. When the plat farmer gets caught a pretty quick'n' easy control+F thru logs ensues. All of the plat they have goes with them, farmed by grinding or trading, all of it, gone.


It's more than spending money on your hobby, it's encouraging people who don't sleep/Chinese prisoners to completely over inflate the economy.

[Amelinda]

Just wondering, are you having Uthgaard's baby or what?

no u

[Gustahn]

Just for anyone who thinks they're slick trying to mask IP (use a different computer remotely otherwise) GMs can see juuuust a lil more than your character's name on a /who... you'll get caught. When the plat farmer gets caught a pretty quick'n' easy control+F thru logs ensues. All of the plat they have goes with them, farmed by grinding or trading, all of it, gone.


It's more than spending money on your hobby, it's encouraging people who don't sleep/Chinese prisoners to completely over inflate the economy.

If i recall right....SWG had a mass credit wipe after a dupe was found.

Leading to rageforce players after their entire fortunes wiped through transactions having touched the dupe money.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duping

Para under response is the gist.

[Nirgon]

Yeah it did, I briefly met the acquaintance of a guy who made money off of said exploit. Came out to about 45k a year. Not exactly "boats and hoes, boats and hoes" but given how hard his "work day" was... worth it.

Pixels are the root of all evil, money is just a means to an end.

[bakkily]

amen nirgon

[Ihealyou]

Since there's no subscription fee to play P99, the value of plat to a potential buyer is how much he is willing to pay to not farm it himself. As EQ becomes more enjoyable, this value goes down. Therefore, plat sellers are measuring how unfun EQ is.

[azeth]

i think the next time I invest my time into an MMO, i'll likely invest some $ too and take the low/easy road.

at the end of the day, fuck it. it's your time, your money to do with what you want.

[Gustahn]

i think the next time I invest my time into an MMO, i'll likely invest some $ too and take the low/easy road.

at the end of the day, fuck it. it's your time, your money to do with what you want.

Not when your arrogance and self entitlement infringe on a companies business model that affects the rest of the consumers.

[jarshale]

Not when your arrogance and self entitlement infringe on a companies business model that affects the rest of the consumers.

Explain how buying plat interferes with p99's business model please

[azeth]

Not when your arrogance and self entitlement infringe on a companies business model that affects the rest of the consumers.

Yes, please explain business to me, of all people.

[Kassel]

Explain how buying plat interferes with p99's business model please

RMT can get the sever shut down by sony ! No one can profit from their IP

[Gustahn]

We have already been over this earlier in the thread.

Being a free server doesnt distract from the multi faceted damage of a live server.

Dupe/mudflation seeing rampant goldbuying leaves as just a sour taste in players mouth and detracts new recruits.

There is also the potential of legal repercussions through an unlicensed 3rd party service setting up shop. In a world of ever changing and mind blowing legislation, the last thing you want is to find a letter seeing some guy that got ripped off in a deal is taking you to court.

Bottom line being Rog/Crew say no and its their server and their vision as long as it doesnt hurt ip legal action.
Edit: +1 to kassel

[azeth]

nah Gustahn, i think you misunderstood me, though I wasn't clear overall.

RMTing on P99 is like stealing from a Mom & Pop store - it makes you a literal shithead irl for doing it.

RMTing on Sony, Blizzard, Verant, etc's bill? That's what I'm saying. I'd never think twice about stealing from Walmart.

[Gustahn]

nah Gustahn, i think you misunderstood me, though I wasn't clear overall.

RMTing on P99 is like stealing from a Mom & Pop store - it makes you a literal shithead irl for doing it.

RMTing on Sony, Blizzard, Verant, etc's bill? That's what I'm saying. I'd never think twice about stealing from Walmart.

Its a 3rd party profit without consent. Thats illegal.

F2P is legal as its the company itself that makes the transactions, which is more an ethical question based on the model itself. As their model is based around rented items and not producing curreny from thin air.

What if everybody thought that way about walmart?

What if everyone stole from walmart with the thought oh they make millions its ok. Then walmart would cease to make money, the company would go under and welfare of those who worked for it would be in limbo.

[Harrison]

Lol you think selling your pixels is illegal...I've heard it all now.

[Gustahn]

Lol you think selling your pixels is illegal...I've heard it all now.

Whether it be pixels, cars, or batteries from walmart....

If you dont own them it is.

[Uthgaard]

A EULA isn't a law. Violating any EULA or TOS isn't illegal, it's a breech of contract, which is a civil tort, and if those weren't such wide gray areas people would have no need for attorneys.

We make efforts to stay legit and on good terms with SOE. P99 isn't in danger anyway, their corporate counsel didn't exactly come from the top of her class.

[Akim]

no u

who told you:confused::confused:

[soup]

Its a 3rd party profit without consent. Thats illegal.

F2P is legal as its the company itself that makes the transactions, which is more an ethical question based on the model itself. As their model is based around rented items and not producing curreny from thin air.

What if everybody thought that way about walmart?

What if everyone stole from walmart with the thought oh they make millions its ok. Then walmart would cease to make money, the company would go under and welfare of those who worked for it would be in limbo.

The parallel you're making between doing RMT on a live server and stealing from Walmart doesn't really work, at all.

[Neno]

I traded a manastone on the silk road for a full bottle of 30mg adderall.

[Harrison]

I traded a manastone on the silk road for a full bottle of 30mg adderall.

Nice.

[PurelyElf]

Why are people allowed to trade/sell characters if it's not for RL cash? That sort of thing is worse for the players than being able to purchase pp. Both should be bannable offenses.

It's sad seeing it happen, especially here on the official forums.

[Phallax]

I think the GMs/Devs here should set up sting operations on said RMT sites and bust the buyers.

[soup]

Why are people allowed to trade/sell characters if it's not for RL cash? That sort of thing is worse for the players than being able to purchase pp. Both should be bannable offenses.

It's sad seeing it happen, especially here on the official forums.

Not really. How does people being able to buy characters in exchange for plat negatively affect you or anyone?

[Fourthmeal]

quit hatin

[JenJen]

I think the GMs/Devs here should set up sting operations on said RMT sites and bust the buyers.

this!! :D

[ziggyholiday]

Not really. How does people being able to buy characters in exchange for plat negatively affect you or anyone?


I look at RMT for coin the same way, not sure how anyone can think otherwise.

[Polixenes]

What's the P99 devs view on players who trade P99 pixels for pixels in another game where RMT is allowed, thus doing P99 RMT through a transformer?

i.e. money laundering

[slydexx]

CSI Freeport

[soup]

I look at RMT for coin the same way, not sure how anyone can think otherwise.

Apply some thought to it. If you buy a character with plat, it means you actually had to get the plat in the first place, like by playing the game and getting enough plat to buy a character. If it were RMT, it would be "hey I got paid today, what's EQ? oh sounds fun I'll buy a level 60!"

[soup]

What's the P99 devs view on players who trade P99 pixels for pixels in another game where RMT is allowed, thus doing P99 RMT through a transformer?

i.e. money laundering

No exchanging anything p99 (plat, gear, characters, PL, whatever) for anything outside p99. Not stuff on live. Not stuff on other emus. Not stuff on Mars. Only stuff within p99.

[ziggyholiday]

Oh no, someone buys a toon via RMT and they suck and you end up grouping with them once!

[Uthgaard]

I think the GMs/Devs here should set up sting operations on said RMT sites and bust the buyers.

What makes you think we haven't? The buyers are the easy half anyway. Most RMT occurs as people leave the server. The sellers are usually the ones to walk away. Sometimes (http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=33191&highlight=9000+proxies), however...

Here's one of my favorites.



[Thu Sep 16 10:23:29 2010] You say, '#gmspeed off'
[Thu Sep 16 10:23:29 2010] Turning GMSpeed Off for Searinox (zone to take effect)
[Thu Sep 16 10:23:33 2010] You say, '#zone ecommons'
[Thu Sep 16 10:23:33 2010] LOADING, PLEASE WAIT...
[Thu Sep 16 10:23:47 2010] You have entered East Commonlands.
[Thu Sep 16 10:24:35 2010] You say, '#goto -143 -1664 3'
[Thu Sep 16 10:26:12 2010] Players in EverQuest:
[Thu Sep 16 10:26:12 2010] ---------------------------

[Thu Sep 16 10:26:12 2010] [ANON (6 Enchanter)] Thierry (Human) ZONE: ecommons (USER 0: PID lebronjames23)
[Thu Sep 16 10:26:12 2010] There is 1 player in EverQuest.
[Thu Sep 16 10:28:55 2010] You auction, 'wtb high lvl acct, pst'
[Thu Sep 16 10:30:07 2010] You auction, 'wtb high lvl acct, pst'
[Thu Sep 16 10:30:19 2010] Thierry tells you, 'druid!'
[Thu Sep 16 10:30:24 2010] You told Thierry, 'orly'
[Thu Sep 16 10:30:34 2010] Thierry tells you, '50 druid DE mask,... verm armor'
[Thu Sep 16 10:30:46 2010] You told Thierry, 'wwo de masrk?'
[Thu Sep 16 10:30:54 2010] Thierry tells you, 'aye'
[Thu Sep 16 10:31:10 2010] You told Thierry, 'wut r u looking 4'
[Thu Sep 16 10:31:15 2010] Thierry tells you, 'offer'
[Thu Sep 16 10:31:20 2010] Thierry tells you, 'i really want a 50 enchanter'
[Thu Sep 16 10:32:04 2010] You told Thierry, 'i dont have eny chars here, i want to buy 1 so i can play w my friends'
[Thu Sep 16 10:32:15 2010] Thierry tells you, 'well what are you offering'
[Thu Sep 16 10:32:21 2010] You told Thierry, 'levelling in classic SUX'
[Thu Sep 16 10:32:23 2010] Thierry tells you, 'moxbrownine?'
[Thu Sep 16 10:33:32 2010] You told Thierry, 'hmm druids r pretty good 4 pling, i cud prly make some cash back. iono liek 300 bux?'
[Thu Sep 16 10:34:05 2010] Thierry tells you, 'bah,,, becareful cause Real money trades are grounds for banning on this server'
[Thu Sep 16 10:34:13 2010] You told Thierry, 'orly'
[Thu Sep 16 10:34:14 2010] Thierry tells you, 'im really only looking for pp or trades'
[Thu Sep 16 10:34:45 2010] You told Thierry, 'well that sux. wut is a moxbrownine'
[Thu Sep 16 10:34:57 2010] Thierry tells you, 'nm thought u were someone'
[Thu Sep 16 10:35:54 2010] You told Thierry, 'do u no anyone who does? i want 2 play'
[Thu Sep 16 10:36:03 2010] You told Thierry, 'but i dont have enything 2 trade'
[Thu Sep 16 10:36:22 2010] You auction, 'wtb high lvl acct, pst'
[Thu Sep 16 10:38:23 2010] You told Thierry, 'hello'
[Thu Sep 16 10:38:26 2010] You auction, 'wtb high lvl acct, pst'
[Thu Sep 16 10:38:28 2010] Thierry tells you, 'sup'
[Thu Sep 16 10:38:35 2010] You told Thierry, 'do u no anyone who does? i want 2 play'
[Thu Sep 16 10:38:38 2010] You told Thierry, 'but i dont have enything 2 trade'
[Thu Sep 16 10:38:42 2010] Thierry tells you, 'i dont know... u have aim?'
[Thu Sep 16 10:38:55 2010] You told Thierry, 'aim sux. wut about yahoo'
[Thu Sep 16 10:39:01 2010] Thierry tells you, 'ok'
[Thu Sep 16 10:39:09 2010] Thierry tells you, 'whats your phone number lol'
[Thu Sep 16 10:39:19 2010] You told Thierry, 'u do u want that 4'
[Thu Sep 16 10:39:27 2010] You told Thierry, 'Y*'
[Thu Sep 16 10:39:54 2010] Vicente says, 'Hail, a ghoul'
[Thu Sep 16 10:39:55 2010] Vicente says, 'Hail, a ghoul'
[Thu Sep 16 10:39:55 2010] Vicente says, 'Hail, a ghoul'
[Thu Sep 16 10:39:55 2010] Vicente says, 'Hail, a ghoul'
[Thu Sep 16 10:39:55 2010] Vicente says, 'Hail, a ghoul'
[Thu Sep 16 10:40:00 2010] You auction, 'wtb high lvl acct, pst'
[Thu Sep 16 10:40:19 2010] You shout, 'HEPL TEH GOULZ!'
[Thu Sep 16 10:40:23 2010] You yell for help.
[Thu Sep 16 10:40:47 2010] Vicente says, 'Hail, a ghoul'
[Thu Sep 16 10:40:47 2010] Vicente says, 'Hail, a ghoul'
[Thu Sep 16 10:40:48 2010] Vicente says, 'Hail, a ghoul'
[Thu Sep 16 10:40:48 2010] You shout, 'r after mEEEEEEEE'
[Thu Sep 16 10:40:56 2010] You yell for help.
[Thu Sep 16 10:41:00 2010] Thierry tells you, 'to talk'
[Thu Sep 16 10:41:03 2010] You yell for help.
[Thu Sep 16 10:41:49 2010] You told Thierry, 'hodl on sum1 trained ghoulz'
[Thu Sep 16 10:41:56 2010] You told Thierry, 'runneing'
[Thu Sep 16 10:43:20 2010] You auction, 'wtb high lvl acct, pst'
[Thu Sep 16 10:44:04 2010] You told Thierry, 'ok i think im safe'
[Thu Sep 16 10:44:11 2010] You told Thierry, 'wut is ur yahoo name'
[Thu Sep 16 10:44:44 2010] You told Thierry, 'i forgot 2 bind wen i got off the baot. that was a close 1'
[Thu Sep 16 10:45:44 2010] Thierry tells you, 'teck531'
[Thu Sep 16 10:45:47 2010] You told Thierry, 'k'
[Thu Sep 16 10:51:40 2010] You say, '#zone butcher'
[Thu Sep 16 10:51:40 2010] LOADING, PLEASE WAIT...
[Thu Sep 16 10:51:58 2010] You have entered Butcherblock Mountains.
[Thu Sep 16 10:52:22 2010] You told Thierry, 'god dman it. now im back in bb'



Me: wuts up yo
Penoy: nada
Penoy: 400!
Me: lol no way dood its a druid
Me: lol
Penoy: DE msk!
Penoy: vermiticulated armor!
Me: thats y i said 300 lol
Me: de mask is cool shit tho
Me: il have 2 ask my dad
Penoy: ok
Me: u play eny other games? ive got chars on wow
Penoy: just realize that offering Real money trades can get u banned
Penoy: nah only this
Me: ok ill be carful who i ask thx 4 warneing
Penoy: http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=3996
Me: fuck sum1 traind me again
Penoy: well let me know soon cause i want to trade for a chanter or tade to u
Me: ok. how much 4 chanter
Me: oh nm u r buying
Penoy: ya
Me: DAMN IT i died in BB 2
Me: fuckin krag chik
Me: ok wel ill tell u wut my dad says, mayb i can find sum1 to trade wow chars
Penoy: if u were to do 300
Me: ya
Penoy: how would u send
Me: u got paypal?
Penoy: ya but perfer western union
Me: wow lol srs bsnz
Penoy: paypal takes like 5% of the money hehe
Me: y western union
Me: oic
Me: i dident no that
Penoy: ya if u send me 300 ..i would probably get 250 or something
Me: jeeze
Penoy: and it takes a while to clear
Me: rly? that sux
Penoy: so
Me: lol he doesnt want 2 let me have 400 im askin pertyplz
Me: how wuld u get the char without takeing it back
Penoy: if u get the eqemu info..on the internet login.. u cant get it back.. u change everything


And as far as the 'sleeper cell/untrackable laundering etc', it doesn't really matter how you do it, it's all going to be obvious as shit. It has been a while since I've done a sweep though, maybe I need to fix that.

[azeth]

^ excellent AM read. Ty uth, hope you've received your Insurance Co check by now.

[jarshale]

that spok shit was hilarious

[FatMagic]

Awesome read Uth... you guys should release more of those fun logs, but maybe with names omitted or something. Would be great entertainment.

[Grizzl]

I have bought gold in every MMO I have subscribed to except UO and have never been banned for it.

Since there is no burden of proof though, on this server, the powers that be can ban people at their whim so you take a bit of a bigger chance buying/selling here. With that said, who really gives a fuck if they get banned, IT'S A FREE SERVER!


The more i consider how much gold you bought to play a mmo game, the more worthless you appear to me.

[Phallax]

Thats pretty epic Uth. So glad you didnt edit the names lol

[Pheer]

i think you overdid it a bit with the "let me ask my dad" shit uthgaard, you want to act dumb but not TOO dumb :p

[PurelyElf]

Not really. How does people being able to buy characters in exchange for plat negatively affect you or anyone?

MMOs, and especially EQ (imo) are community based and community driven games. It's not so much about the pixels as it is the people behind the pixels. People have reputations here, and they really matter. Or should :/

If I make a friend and spend months hanging out in game and getting to know them, it sucks when one day I /tell them to discover that no longer know me. Likewise, if at some point in my character's life I'm mercilessly harassed (CC'd for no reason, tracked down and PK'd in every zone I try to lns to, scammed for what few items I have..) by someone, I would like to always be able to dislike them for that reason. If I discovered that the character had been sold, and now my most hated enemy had become kind and friendly, I would be distraught.

Guess I'm something of a roleplayer sorta. Is that a wrong way to play this game? The powergamers who only care about raiding, gear and using said gear to PK the rest of us may not care if people sell characters, but I want something more from this game.

What's so bad about buying coin for rl cash if they allow people to purchase characters? All the coin farmers do is cause inflation, which happens anyway. Players like me will always be poor compared to people that spend their time farming and playing the market, so a little more inflation brought about by chinese sweatshops hardly makes a difference. imo ofc

[Striiker]

Heh! I love getting some inside glimpses into the background workings of the environment. Time to set up some honeypots to catch more of these folks. :-)

[greatdane]

What's so bad about buying coin for rl cash if they allow people to purchase characters?

Legal reasons, mainly. You could also say that it cheapens the integrity of the server as a whole, and while buying characters for plat does so as well, it isn't nearly the same. You still have to acquire a substantial amount of in-game cash, so you won't get someone who has never played before in your Sebilis group. Everquest is easy enough that someone who has played one class to a high level can probably play any class adequately, but not someone who hasn't even played one character to 50+. If someone buys a level 50 rogue, they might not have experience playing that class, but you know they've achieved something - 50k plat takes some time and effort to farm, and you can't do it in any kind of timely manner until you've already leveled one char to or near 50. Any EQ veteran can pick up any class and learn it well enough to solo and group in a day.

[azeth]

If someone buys a level 50 rogue, they...

will likely hit backstab every 5.5 seconds and handle corpse runs.

[bulbousaur]

Fun read there, Uth.

[soup]

MMOs, and especially EQ (imo) are community based and community driven games. It's not so much about the pixels as it is the people behind the pixels. People have reputations here, and they really matter. Or should :/

If I make a friend and spend months hanging out in game and getting to know them, it sucks when one day I /tell them to discover that no longer know me. Likewise, if at some point in my character's life I'm mercilessly harassed (CC'd for no reason, tracked down and PK'd in every zone I try to lns to, scammed for what few items I have..) by someone, I would like to always be able to dislike them for that reason. If I discovered that the character had been sold, and now my most hated enemy had become kind and friendly, I would be distraught.

Guess I'm something of a roleplayer sorta. Is that a wrong way to play this game? The powergamers who only care about raiding, gear and using said gear to PK the rest of us may not care if people sell characters, but I want something more from this game.

What's so bad about buying coin for rl cash if they allow people to purchase characters? All the coin farmers do is cause inflation, which happens anyway. Players like me will always be poor compared to people that spend their time farming and playing the market, so a little more inflation brought about by chinese sweatshops hardly makes a difference. imo ofc

I don't really dig this. It's like saying YOU want the person behind the character to always be the same, so that's how it should be. As if the fact that I spend all this time leveling up a character and then decide I want to play something else is irrelevant, because of YOUR expectations for that character.

[Raavak]

What's so bad about buying coin for rl cash if they allow people to purchase characters?

Because P99 and the other emulators ride the fine line/gray area of incroaching on Sony's intellectual rights. You could say it flies "under the radar" so-to-speak because no one is profiting real $$-wise from this.

[Lazortag]

What's the P99 devs view on players who trade P99 pixels for pixels in another game where RMT is allowed, thus doing P99 RMT through a transformer?

i.e. money laundering

You actually aren't allowed to trade for anything outside of p99, even if it's on another eqemu server. Fun fact.

[Skope]

You actually aren't allowed to trade for anything outside of p99, even if it's on another eqemu server. Fun fact.

can i log into your char and strip them, sell your stuff in EC and trade the p99 plat for RL $$?

[soup]

What's so bad about buying coin for rl cash if they allow people to purchase characters? All the coin farmers do is cause inflation, which happens anyway. Players like me will always be poor compared to people that spend their time farming and playing the market, so a little more inflation brought about by chinese sweatshops hardly makes a difference. imo ofc

Well other than the legal implications, the fact that you could have someone with zero clue how to play buying characters. I mean, that could still happen now, but it's less likely given that you need to farm up a shitload of plat to buy a decent character, which requires playing a lot, or receiving a generous gift.

I do hate the Chinese farmers though. I remember in vanilla WoW I used to spend hours in that little area south of Light's Hope in EPL griefing the 20 China farmer rogues that would always hang out there. After about 15 minutes you'd start getting tells like "ni hao.... you plz stop kill?" and I'd say "Okay, sorry!" then proceed to rape them some more. They'd try to gang up like 5 on you all at once and still DIAF because all they know how to do is farm gold. That was some fun shit right there.

I suppose I could feel like a dick since doing that could cost them their bowl of rice to eat for dinner, but fuck it, survival of the fittest and shit.

[alexandervaccaro]

I suppose I could feel like a dick since doing that could cost them their bowl of rice to eat for dinner, but fuck it, survival of the fittest and shit.

good stuff.

[PurelyElf]

I don't really dig this. It's like saying YOU want the person behind the character to always be the same, so that's how it should be. As if the fact that I spend all this time leveling up a character and then decide I want to play something else is irrelevant, because of YOUR expectations for that character.

I don't really care who digs what. People are gonna sell plat and characters no matter what; it's an unfortunate truth. Anyway, I leveled to 60 and got my epic on live, why can't I be GM pl'd to max and given my epic here? :p

And why are high level noobs such a big deal? Free kills in pvp IMO.

[Knuckle]

Yeah, spending money on a hobby is so stupid.

Sounds like some poor people are super jelly.

yeah cuz the whole point of everquest is to start at level 60 with all ur gear so u can fuck up on raids that u dont even need to attend.

[Swish]

...you could have someone with zero clue how to play buying characters.

Not sure if anyone is familiar with the Mayong server on live (survived about a year). Players made a character, but all characters started at Level 51 and had 50 AAs to spend on starting.

If you entered a 51 group (usually Plane of Innovation or something) you'd see all sorts of crazy stuff... SKs who could FD but not work out how to stand up again, hardcore overnuking wizards, shammies that didn't know what their slow spell was.

... and that was just me! :D (I jest)

Great server in its time, whispers of it getting shut down effectively dropped the population to such a low point that it actually got shut down. Was a good community at its peak though, if fickle :)

[soup]

I don't really care who digs what. People are gonna sell plat and characters no matter what; it's an unfortunate truth. Anyway, I leveled to 60 and got my epic on live, why can't I be GM pl'd to max and given my epic here? :p

And why are high level noobs such a big deal? Free kills in pvp IMO.

It just kinda sounds like the disappointment is more about people not playing rather than the actual exchanging of a character for plat.

As far as easy PVP kills, noob stomping is fun, but it can make things boring too lol. I'm an avid TF2 player, and they just made the game free to play, and the shit isn't even fun right now. It's like playing against bots on the easiest setting, so ridiculous lol. You can spin in circles holding down the mouse button and kill everyone pretty much.

[soup]

Not sure if anyone is familiar with the Mayong server on live (survived about a year). Players made a character, but all characters started at Level 51 and had 50 AAs to spend on starting.

If you entered a 51 group (usually Plane of Innovation or something) you'd see all sorts of crazy stuff... SKs who could FD but not work out how to stand up again, hardcore overnuking wizards, shammies that didn't know what their slow spell was.

... and that was just me! :D (I jest)

Great server in its time, whispers of it getting shut down effectively dropped the population to such a low point that it actually got shut down. Was a good community at its peak though, if fickle :)
I suppose the comedy offered is a decent positive aspect of it :)

[Doors]

Someone showed me a website that sold items/money/accounts for only p99. These things costed hundreds of dollars. Gave me a really good laugh that people would spend 400 dollars on platinum here on a private server.

Sadly I forgot the website. I wouldn't link it here even if I could remember it but the person who linked it to me said they already put it in the petition/exploit forums before.

[bonehand]

Well other than the legal implications, the fact that you could have someone with zero clue how to play buying characters. I mean, that could still happen now, but it's less likely given that you need to farm up a shitload of plat to buy a decent character, which requires playing a lot, or receiving a generous gift.


Just because someone has played class X a lot doesn't mean they know how to play class Y. I now show you the 101 power leveled morons with uber mains and 0 melee skill...

As for 'the legal implications' everyone wants to quote. Is there a documented case in the world where legal action has been taken against a TOS/EULA/Copyright breaking emulator server, where said operator was successfully sued for the actions of their clients in regards to RMT? I cannot find anything...

Also, who cares if someone buys or sells stuff? You work, you watch the kid, you mow the lawn, you are busy 80-100 hours a week doing other stuff. If one decided to spend $100 on 50K or whatever, isn't that really their choice? Sure, it may be especially bannable on p99 since the devs really don't have anything better to do than worry about TMO and TR fighting over a dervish spawn...but on WoW or EQ2 or RIFT? The buyer never gets noticed. Buying is ignored, it is the selling that tends to be bannable...

Anyway, all those gold sellers on all those sites are the same people you see listing items on the ECT Threads. If you don't think all those uber guilds farming CoF or FT's aren't selling those in ECTunnel to maintain their RL lifestyles, you are mistaken. I know of two Live guilds where the bankers sold millions weekly, when 1 million went for $1000 on live...serious cash flow. Or people here using your 60 Druid to 'PL' a 'Friend' up to 50+ and selling for 60K in a thread? What you gonna do with that money with no account? Oh, you have two IP's! Three IP's? (It's only $20 a month for 5 IP's from Comcast) Ya, that's not a gold seller...or against the rules...oh, it is.

So, it's the same here, and denying that reality just makes you all look silly.

[Harrison]

Just because someone has played class X a lot doesn't mean they know how to play class Y. I now show you the 101 power leveled morons with uber mains and 0 melee skill...

As for 'the legal implications' everyone wants to quote. Is there a documented case in the world where legal action has been taken against a TOS/EULA/Copyright breaking emulator server, where said operator was successfully sued for the actions of their clients in regards to RMT? I cannot find anything...

Also, who cares if someone buys or sells stuff? You work, you watch the kid, you mow the lawn, you are busy 80-100 hours a week doing other stuff. If one decided to spend $100 on 50K or whatever, isn't that really their choice? Sure, it may be especially bannable on p99 since the devs really don't have anything better to do than worry about TMO and TR fighting over a dervish spawn...but on WoW or EQ2 or RIFT? The buyer never gets noticed. Buying is ignored, it is the selling that tends to be bannable...

Anyway, all those gold sellers on all those sites are the same people you see listing items on the ECT Threads. If you don't think all those uber guilds farming CoF or FT's aren't selling those in ECTunnel to maintain their RL lifestyles, you are mistaken. I know of two Live guilds where the bankers sold millions weekly, when 1 million went for $1000 on live...serious cash flow. Or people here using your 60 Druid to 'PL' a 'Friend' up to 50+ and selling for 60K in a thread? What you gonna do with that money with no account? Oh, you have two IP's! Three IP's? (It's only $20 a month for 5 IP's from Comcast) Ya, that's not a gold seller...or against the rules...oh, it is.

So, it's the same here, and denying that reality just makes you all look silly.

You didn't look hard enough.

Look for information about various WoW private communities that got hammered by legal teams, hard.

[deakolt]

Just because someone has played class X a lot doesn't mean they know how to play class Y. I now show you the 101 power leveled morons with uber mains and 0 melee skill...

As for 'the legal implications' everyone wants to quote. Is there a documented case in the world where legal action has been taken against a TOS/EULA/Copyright breaking emulator server, where said operator was successfully sued for the actions of their clients in regards to RMT? I cannot find anything...

Also, who cares if someone buys or sells stuff? You work, you watch the kid, you mow the lawn, you are busy 80-100 hours a week doing other stuff. If one decided to spend $100 on 50K or whatever, isn't that really their choice? Sure, it may be especially bannable on p99 since the devs really don't have anything better to do than worry about TMO and TR fighting over a dervish spawn...but on WoW or EQ2 or RIFT? The buyer never gets noticed. Buying is ignored, it is the selling that tends to be bannable...

Anyway, all those gold sellers on all those sites are the same people you see listing items on the ECT Threads. If you don't think all those uber guilds farming CoF or FT's aren't selling those in ECTunnel to maintain their RL lifestyles, you are mistaken. I know of two Live guilds where the bankers sold millions weekly, when 1 million went for $1000 on live...serious cash flow. Or people here using your 60 Druid to 'PL' a 'Friend' up to 50+ and selling for 60K in a thread? What you gonna do with that money with no account? Oh, you have two IP's! Three IP's? (It's only $20 a month for 5 IP's from Comcast) Ya, that's not a gold seller...or against the rules...oh, it is.

So, it's the same here, and denying that reality just makes you all look silly.

lol tard yes emulator servers have been shutdown thru legal action. haha wtf is this wall of crap and misinformation

[bonehand]

Did you read? I said shutdown for allowing RMT, not shutdown for any other reason...ffs

[Hagglebaron]

Did you read? I said shutdown for allowing RMT, not shutdown for any other reason...ffs

Settle down naw

[deakolt]

Did you read? I said shutdown for allowing RMT, not shutdown for any other reason...ffs

not sure but I think Winter's Roar got shutdown cuz sony was sketched out by "donations"

also if RMT were openly allowed Sony would probably have even more reason to shut down emulator servers, why give them more ammo?

[bonehand]

Settle down naw

He called me tard, trolling for a response, and you tell me to settle down? I don't get it...but anyway

As for the ammunition...well, everyone here acts like RMT leads to emulators being shut down. It's the donations that get them shut down. It's the copyright violations often found on the websites. It's not letting players have freedom to do as they wish, it's all about the bens the operator is getting.

[deakolt]

He called me tard, trolling for a response, and you tell me to settle down? I don't get it...but anyway

As for the ammunition...well, everyone here acts like RMT leads to emulators being shut down. It's the donations that get them shut down. It's the copyright violations often found on the websites. It's not letting players have freedom to do as they wish, it's all about the bens the operator is getting.

Didn't Winter's Roar have a system where you could "donate" for some power ups or donator items or some shit?

that sounds like RMT to me

[nilbog]

He called me tard, trolling for a response, and you tell me to settle down? I don't get it...but anyway

As for the ammunition...well, everyone here acts like RMT leads to emulators being shut down. It's the donations that get them shut down. It's the copyright violations often found on the websites. It's not letting players have freedom to do as they wish, it's all about the bens the operator is getting.

I think you are confusing donations with perks. If you 'donate' for in-game items, titles, or services that is as good as 'purchasing' them. If you donate to receive nothing in return, that's a donation.

I think buying pixels is silly. Buying emulated pixels is just sad.

[Bubbles]

folks make sure to bump back to the 2nd page for some epic server chat log stories..

This necro really shouldn't go to waste.

[bonehand]

By donations, I mean donations to keep the server running. If WR actually had microtransactions, then really that is one kind of RMT, more like the Farmville style than player to player RMT...I'd say it amounts to about the same thing as donating to keep the server running, but still a potential profit to the server operator.

Sony and most gaming companies really don't care what players do on emulated servers, it's when an emulator starts taking in money they get the lawyers out of the cage. They see the missed profits, even if it's only a dollar a month, and expect their cut...and since it is their intellectual property, they quickly want the whole pie.