F*ck Dalnir

[paisley]

https://i.ibb.co/s1Ss95M/fucccccccc.jpg

[Sweagen]

lol we really did get rekt

[Trexller]

ngl im with you guys on this one

dalnir coulda been so sweet, if it weren't designed for masochists by sadists.

[Sweagen]

ngl im with you guys on this one

dalnir coulda been so sweet, if it weren't designed for masochists by sadists.

we went here at lvl 21 and it was a disaster

we kept dying and ya

[Barik]

If we're talking proper level to dungeon(level adjusted), dalnir is def top 3 most difficult dungeons in classic EQ.

[Jobaber]

If we're talking proper level to dungeon(level adjusted), dalnir is def top 3 most difficult dungeons in classic EQ.

its like kedge without water

[Infectious]

On Tallon zek, dalnir was the spot between OT and COM. Everyone went there 35-42.

[Knuckle]

As a noob on live i took my 35 SK here to solo and had so many shit corpse runs from neriak.

[Jimjam]

My static went to dalnir years ago as a member rerolled monk. the monk was in 20s, we had a 35ish druid and I escorted them on a 52ish warrior (crafted armor, belt of contention, scimitar of ykesha and skean iirc which was pretty standard outfit pre velious).

It was still surprisingly tricky. We did get all the crescent armour and some nice xp for the monk (imo crescent armour not worth it even in kunark but we did have fun).

[Naethyn]

dalnir is top tier and you can do all those iksar quests just stay at the ent untill you get strong 6 min repop is nuts

[Toxigen]

yeah dalnir is good if you know how to play the game

[wuanahto]

Level 55 mage
droptransfer a leviring
blow the first floor up
waddle a level 1 monk down to the chapel before the oneway coffin
boom, like 1k plat in gems and new monk has a new suit of crescent armor.

a corpse run may apply and dragging through floors

[ScottBerta]

Crescent gear sucks and it’s super rare..

[greenspectre]

The best/worst part about Dalnir was this quest:

https://wiki.project1999.com/The_Visceral_Dagger

The drop rates on it are abysmal. My little brother had a mid level necro and I ran through Dalnir with him COUNTLESS times on my 60 monk until we finally got it put together.

Sweet item, and awesome graphic, but damn was it a grind.

[zelld52]

Was I in the same Dalnir as everyone else? I brought my semi-twinked SK with 21% haste and an Iksar regen BP, was able to solo very well in the early 30s in the basement. Just gotta get downstairs. Nothing in the top floors sees invis

Visceral dagger quest was easy as SK for some reason... Much worse was the collecting pages in Swamp of No Hope

[Lune]

Was I in the same Dalnir as everyone else? I brought my semi-twinked SK with 21% haste and an Iksar regen BP, was able to solo very well in the early 30s in the basement. Just gotta get downstairs. Nothing in the top floors sees invis

Visceral dagger quest was easy as SK for some reason... Much worse was the collecting pages in Swamp of No Hope

Dalnir gets a bad rap because it's packed with caster mobs and has complicated layout, though nothing too abnormal for a kunark dungeon. Most people are used to the same series of popular leveling zones, try going to dalnir, wipe to the casters, and write it off.

Some of the goos on the upper floors can see invis if you're unlucky. Always loved the zone.

[Tnair]

its like kedge without water

saw an interview with the level designer for many of early eq dungeons, mf said kedge was his first dungeon when he was still getting used to the tools ..... so thats why its like that lol

[Dolalin]

Dalnir on p99 is unbalanced because it's caster heavy and all casters have full spellbooks here. They didn't used to on Live in era. It's harder than it was back in the day (though it was still crap even then).

[loramin]

Dalnir on p99 is unbalanced because it's caster heavy and all casters have full spellbooks here. They didn't used to on Live in era. It's harder than it was back in the day (though it was still crap even then).

Man, I had forgotten how off P99 was in that regard. When I first got here it was shocking (I think I even filed a bug), but now I've just gotten used to the unclassicness.

[zelld52]

Dalnir on p99 is unbalanced because it's caster heavy and all casters have full spellbooks here. They didn't used to on Live in era. It's harder than it was back in the day (though it was still crap even then).

What do you mean? Caster mobs have 8 spells memmed, right? Matching their class. By full spellbook do you mean they have spells beyond their level?

[Leopaz]

I used to haunt Dalnir with my monk after I sort of retired (2.0). Many years ago before Velious, I just sat there and helped probably 20+ young monks get the full set. I wonder if any of y'all I helped are reading this now!

[Rimitto]

haaah I remember dalnir, paisley got so pissed whenever anyone else was there...

I wonder if that guy is dead now or something.

[Rygar]

What do you mean? Caster mobs have 8 spells memmed, right? Matching their class. By full spellbook do you mean they have spells beyond their level?

As an example I'm fairly certain no mob in EQ would cast dispel except evil eyes and mobs that can proc it like those tentacles in Fear. On P99 practically every single caster has access to a dispel to strip your buffs.

I believe Dolalin means certain mobs spawned with only 3 or 4 specific spells (which were often below level, such as a mobs using their level 20 nuke when they are level 29). And some casters were stupid easy as they would spam cast the same nuke over and over and it had a long cast time, so a single bash could interrupt and then they would try casting again (and you'd take no melee damage, maybe a single round if they were on global cool down)

[Jimjam]

As an example I'm fairly certain no mob in EQ would cast dispel except evil eyes and mobs that can proc it like those tentacles in Fear. On P99 practically every single caster has access to a dispel to strip your buffs.

I believe Dolalin means certain mobs spawned with only 3 or 4 specific spells (which were often below level, such as a mobs using their level 20 nuke when they are level 29). And some casters were stupid easy as they would spam cast the same nuke over and over and it had a long cast time, so a single bash could interrupt and then they would try casting again (and you'd take no melee damage, maybe a single round if they were on global cool down)

The spells would often be themed to the mob, like fire goblins use fire spells.

[ithaqua]

As an example I'm fairly certain no mob in EQ would cast dispel except evil eyes and mobs that can proc it like those tentacles in Fear. On P99 practically every single caster has access to a dispel to strip your buffs.

I believe Dolalin means certain mobs spawned with only 3 or 4 specific spells (which were often below level, such as a mobs using their level 20 nuke when they are level 29). And some casters were stupid easy as they would spam cast the same nuke over and over and it had a long cast time, so a single bash could interrupt and then they would try casting again (and you'd take no melee damage, maybe a single round if they were on global cool down)

Caster mobs loved dispelling on live too, usually two slot dispells, enc mobs did four slots when high enough level. Always had two junkbuffs in the first buffslots and tried to have less critical buffs in 3/4 with my monk.
Dispell isn’t all bad though, doesn’t break fd and doesn’t always strip your buffs even if it lands. Mobs had a limited spell set though but dispell was included in it )

[loramin]

Wow, I've forgotten how shocked I was by the NPC casters when I first got here. I was like "there's no way it was like this on live" ... and then (like all the other unclassic stuff here), I quickly got used to it and forgot it was even unclassic.

But man, if the dev team ever brought back real caster NPCs, the classic levels of the servers would rise through the roof!

[zelld52]

i also remember mobs dispelling like crazy on live. especially shaman mobs, enchanter mobs - in places like sebilis. its probably still like that on live to this day. enchanter mobs were always tough because they would dispell your buffs - cleric mobs were always tough because theyd dispell your buffs and heal themselves. shaman mobs ... well theyd slow you, dspell you and heal themselves and krup shaman were the bane of my existence in Seb groups early 2000s

[loramin]

I'm curious if anyone out there has looked at the EQEmulator code base, and might be able to speculate why P99 has never addressed this. Or perhaps, it's not technical, and it's just a matter of "we have no idea what spells each mob in each zone had, so we're not even going to try"?

[Naethyn]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=194583

[Rygar]

I'm curious if anyone out there has looked at the EQEmulator code base, and might be able to speculate why P99 has never addressed this. Or perhaps, it's not technical, and it's just a matter of "we have no idea what spells each mob in each zone had, so we're not even going to try"?

I'm pretty sure nilbog has made mention of leaving characters afk in live dungeons to log what spells they cast. Not a bad baseline tbh, best info to go on without specific logs on each mob from era (near impossible to gather that much accurate data)

Just a guess but could agro a bunch of mobs and leave afk to check what offensive spells they have memmed (he probably did this as a follow up)

[nyclin]

the rule was that mobs were limited to spells 2 school levels (24, 29, 34, etc.) below their current, and levels 51+ all counted as a school level. mob spellbooks were the same as available to players, but they would prioritize heals (if hurt) > damage > dispel > CC > others

this would sometimes result in mobs casting spells that seemed weak for their level, such as a level 38 wizard mob being limited to level 24 spells. it would also result in hilarity when folks in their low 50's discovered what it was like to be on the receiving end of an Ice Comet or Rend after they pull their first level 52 wizard mob.

on p99, mobs will cast spells up to their current school level and also tend to be much more varied in their spell selection, behaving more like a caster PC than what most folks remember from caster mobs back in the day.

[Xer0]

On Tallon zek, dalnir was the spot between OT and COM. Everyone went there 35-42.

no one is impressed by your name dropping a classic pvp server you didn't play on

[evelynbb]

truly the fear and hunger of everquest dungeons

[shovelquest]

The fuck dalner all my homies hate dalner meme lives in my head rent free.

[Ataxio]

Skill issue

[magethis]

dalnir could of had one of the coolest entrances if only the zone in was completely underwater.

dalnir is multi-leveled and it could of been a nice beach like entrance into its second level

some of its corridors even felt kedge like to me.

perhaps this is why its final level has a sewage/swamp like feel to it

maybe it was one of the final zones added to kunark before release, or the first being there is sarnaks at the end with a zone out, and goblins in the front

[Duik]

Dalnir to me on live was massive risk vs too little reward. Granted this may have been a "skill issue" but not everyone in my static 6 man was lame like me.
But I enjoyed making tattered then studded etc leather for my druid and making food/drink. Cultural chain (made by a guildy) was a MASSIVE upgrade for me. Same for the High Elf Wiz.
The - str + int solusek ro rings my static chanter group mate made me allowed EVERYONE ELSE TO LOOT HEAVY ITEMS!
Bastard.

[Wakanda]

IDK if anyone remembers hot zones, but the way I discovered Dalnir "back in the day" was because it became a hot zone due to how unpopular it was. It's a lot of nostalgia for me because I did travel there with a group of friends and have a lot of fun. It became kind of a regular dungeon for us after that point.

I will say this, I don't think the pathing in original Dalnir was as insane as it is on P99. I had no concept of CC or Lull or anything the first time I went to Dalnir as a kid, and we had relatively high success, even falling through the floor in the Church and still proceeding to grind without any close calls.

Meanwhile on P99 I've gone there with epic twink groups and had them wipe close to entrance even with a level 60 Druid PL'ing us after we managed to somehow aggro the entire zone.