Iksar vs Human Monk

[Hailto]

I know Iksar is the obvious min/max choice here, but I don't particularly like the way Iksars look, how much much would I be putting myself at a disadvantage by making human?

Is this an Ogre war vs Gnome war type situation, or not something nearly as extreme?

[cd288]

If you’re primarily soloing and don’t have a fungi then the amount of downtime you’ll save going Iksar from 1-60 could be like 100 hours IMO

If you’re primarily grouping doesnt matter

[Jobaber]

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[sajbert]

Without any gear I’d say Iksar wins by far. With a fungi the relative regen difference is much smaller. Once you get a lot of HP gear and higher skilled mend that’ll offset the difference too and so will bandages and velious armor heal clicky. Factor then in XP penalty for the iksar and how regen and AC won’t be a frequent factor in grouping.


For the solo heroics it may make or break X fight, never seen any evidence of this. It will help speed up solo droga farming and the like by a marginal amount. Otherwise no difference really. And humans do look better and have better faction (even with AoN).

[Infectious]

Go iksar. The ac/regen will go a far way leveling to 60. Add in sneak to merchant anywhere and fd to bank anywhere and its a no brainer to pick iksar.

[Bockscar]

If you solo, it's quite a big difference. The regen is a huge advantage and the extra AC is quite nice as well.

If you don't do any real amount of soloing, it doesn't matter at all.

[magnetaress]

since ur on p99 u best stick with the obvious min/maxx choices and grow a few chin whiskers while ur at it

[Drueric]

One is not better than the other. That is my opinion.

[Keebz]

Soloing and small group play 51+ will be slightly worse as a human. For raiding the regen is nice, but not a make or break advantage.

[Kirdan]

Looks matter far more than a little ac/regen. Pick human if you like the look of human better.

[Bobjenson]

Eyepatch. That is all.

[Jimjam]

Male human for eyepatch?

Pft

Female iksar for face paint!

[Gustoo]

I agree that if you don’t wanna be a lizard, don’t be.

They’re definitely better though, there’s no doubt about it.

Perhaps a human paladin would tickle your fancy since that’s a decent paladin race choice, with decent charisma and decent melee stats?

[loramin]

OP, there's no right answer here, as it's a subjective question. If you want to know objectively how much of a disadvantage it will put you at, just do the math ... I'll do "back of the napkin" math (neck beards feel free to pick it apart).

Fights (1 to 50)

If we're talking about fighting, not downtime, Iksar get a single extra HP per tick. Fight length depends on level, so I'll pick one minute (10 ticks) to make it a round number.

In other words, it's roughly 10 more HP per fight from 1 to 50. Looking at some random Magelos, I saw a 50 monk with like 1400 HP, and a level 5 with like 100. Obviously twinking will change this, but with any gear it's unlikely that this would be a "game breaker".

Downtime (1 to 50)

Looking at downtime, it's the exact same thing if you are feigned, but if you are sitting the rate is 2x what a Human would get. From levels 20-49 that means 3 HP more per tick. Let's say a Monk has around 900 HP, and goes down to exactly half, 450 HP (so no bandages). The human will take 15 minutes to heal, while the Iksar will take half that (7.5 min).

Fungi and 51+

Obviously, if you have a fungi (15/HP a tick) then the natural healing of either race is somewhat inconsequential. And above 50 ... well, someone else can do the math, but presumably, the scaling rate is similar.

Conclusion

The way I see it, 10 more HP a fight is not a game-breaker at all. But, having half the downtime (with no fungi, and no bandaging) is pretty noticeable ... if you are sitting there at your computer waiting anxiously. If you prefer to fight, then go afk to clean the house or something, you might not even notice the 7-8 minute difference.

And of course, all this is for soloing, not duos or larger groups (when someone is healing you, a few HP every tick truly doesn't matter).

[fortior]

it's 8 standing regen, which is half a fungi when fighting, versus 20% faster xp gain.

pick human if you like the looks. both racials don't matter at 60, and both racials will help you get to 60 faster.

[loramin]

it's 8 standing regen, which is half a fungi when fighting, versus 20% faster xp gain.

pick human if you like the looks. both racials don't matter at 60, and both racials will help you get to 60 faster.

Is the wiki wrong? https://wiki.project1999.com/Iksar clearly shows Iksar get 2 standing regen at levels 50 and below. After that it's 6 from 51-55, and 10 from 56-59 ... but never 8.

But to be clear, I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just asking a question; the wiki is wrong sometimes.

[Kirdan]

Is the wiki wrong? https://wiki.project1999.com/Iksar clearly shows Iksar get 2 standing regen at levels 50 and below. After that it's 6 from 51-55, and 10 from 56-59 ... but never 8.

But to be clear, I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just asking a question; the wiki is wrong sometimes.

At 60, the standing regen difference (the mode of regen that most people care about/notice the most) between humans and iksar is 8. Humans have 4 and iksar have 12.

[fortior]

Is the wiki wrong? https://wiki.project1999.com/Iksar clearly shows Iksar get 2 standing regen at levels 50 and below. After that it's 6 from 51-55, and 10 from 56-59 ... but never 8.

But to be clear, I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just asking a question; the wiki is wrong sometimes.

I'm talking about differences between humans and iksar. 12 standing regen vs. 4.

It's a minuscule net benefit if you raid. You're going to have regrowth to offset small DoTs, and nobody is going to wait for you to pull--you'll come back and get patch healed or flop and get healed by the person in your group.

It's a huge benefit while solo leveling. It's a big benefit while duo leveling, which is completely offset when duo leveling with a shaman. The regen only really increases starting from 51, at which point your shaman will be close to regrowth (15 hp regen) and their higher % slows will make the damage you actually take from blue mobs negligible.

If you have the means to get a fungi pre-51, there is no real difference and the 20% xp penalty becomes a way bigger drawback relatively.

Your situations:
- (chain) pulling in groups: you're just as good at this as an iksar. If your 8 less standing regen causes your group to slow down, your group members suck. You should never be sitting so only standing regen is really relevant.
- tag pulling: just as good as iksar
- soloing: iksar wins, but needs to solo 20% more mobs to get to 60
- raiding: you need to be 60 and have a solid raid kit with clickies, race doesn't matter
- pvp: iksar always wins, but who gives a shit
- good duo: human wins in a camp where you run out of mobs, iksar breaks even in a camp with infinite mobs if he can kill 20% more mobs (spoiler: he can't)

Tl;dr: Pick iksar because you like the look, not for the racials. Same for human. Decide whether you want a character you like, or a character that's optimized at every point in the game (unless you already raid, though, the 20% slower leveling speed can also be a DKP earning penalty).

[Vexenu]

Iksar is unquestionably the statistical min/max choice. That being said, as others have already noted, the advantage is not really that great, especially with a Fungi. A Human twinkled with Fungi will easily outlevel and identical Iksar twink from 1-50, and even 50-60 the Iksar Regen isn't enough to offset the XP penalty. The Monk class itself is so strong and itemized so well in Kunark and Velious that the Iksar AC/Regen just aren't that big of a factor. You'll miss the infravision most at this point, but that's also something that can be pretty easily itemized for along the way. And ultimately, a Human Monk is easily one of the game's top fashion quest choices. That counts for a lot by itself.

[Mendo]

I can never play a Human on this server because of the broken lighting... They are so blind!

[fortior]

Just get the helmet from Hate with clicky targetable ultravision. Infravision is basically blindness compared to ultravision as well.

[Kirdan]

If you can't deal with nightblindness, dark elf monk is the obvious answer. Iksar isn't even a big upgrade to human vision, and there are many good monk items that bring you up to the same vision as iksar (Crown of King Tranix, Pearlescent Mask, etc).

I really don't understand people who won't play nightblind races due to the vision though, it's a huge selling point for them to me. You are missing a huge part of the game when you have UV all the time. Lighting effects and the day/night brightness cycle make the game much more enjoyable.

[Vexenu]

I really don't understand people who won't play nightblind races due to the vision though, it's a huge selling point for them to me. You are missing a huge part of the game when you have UV all the time. Lighting effects and the day/night brightness cycle make the game much more enjoyable.

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