NY GRAND JURY VOTES TO INDICT TRUMP

[unsunghero]

Good point Ripp.
You win the interwebs today.
Also, I refuse to believe there could be a concept I dont understand, or that challenges my belief system.
I also dont wanna be attracted to what appears to be a female (in my opinion is what defines a woman) that is really a man.
Touch the doll in the place the biological man in a dress that you found attractive.
Lolocaust.

The question posed by Andrew Tate is still terrifying though:

Would you rather have sex with a 1/10 biological woman or a 10/10 trans woman (and you can’t say neither)

Not this one but this is an example of a very very passable trans woman https://m.youtube.com/shorts/j6MguvaLQvk

And this would be an example of a 1/10 woman

(Grats, you’re gay now lol

[Botten]

yOYdHvLVU7E

everyone else is wrong in this video, society just hasn't caught up yet.

TheDC Shorts
@DailyCallerVideo
Founded by Tucker Carlson


Oof that is an embarrassment.

[unsunghero]

everyone else is wrong in this video, society just hasn't caught up yet.

DEMS THROWING ADULT TEMPER TANTRUMS COMPLETE WITH SCREAMING IN PUBLIC??

Color me shocked!

What university you think she attends?

[Trexller]

And this would be an example of a 1/10 woman

(Grats, you’re gay now lol

not sure this counts on that scale as a 1/10, the image provided is a wildly deformed human being which lost on every single roll of the genetic lottery and thusly cannot be considered a viable breeding candidate.

be like asking a gay dude to either have sex with a woman or The Elephant Man.

if the man is unable to perform with a FUGLY person, this is not a fault of the man it's that nature was cruel enough to produce such an abomination of genetics whose appearance is a natural evolutionary signal that strongly suggests: "Do not mate with this, it will not produce healthy offspring"

same can be said for the most passable tranny who has cut, scraped, painted and weaved their physical image to mirror that of the conventional attractive woman. It still lacks the proper inner workings to produce healthy human babies and is therefore the exact same abomination as whatever that fat fugly female pic is.

avoid at all costs

you ask the question gun to my head? you better be good at close quarters combat.

also im pretty sure I could bang a legit 1/10 woman, even sober, again i must state that whatever that thing in the image is, does not qualify to even be rated.

nothing man-made will ever replace 100% natural home grown pussy

[Lune]

you ask the question gun to my head? you better be good at close quarters combat.

https://i.imgur.com/ePUGewX.jpg

[aussenseiter]

this explains so much about humans, that some people out there simply are barely evolved skinbags, going through life on stimulus alone.

DRLkDafQbP8

"You're stupid if you don't have mental health problems"

Fuckin lol, I really hate YouTube.

[Ekco]

Oof that is an embarrassment.

"he" might of did a racism to that black toyota carsalemen but at least it wasn't as bad at this one.

https://i.imgur.com/S5eYsSL.png

[Trexller]

Oof that is an embarrassment.

you knew off the top of your head that this was connected to tucker carlson

I'd be embarassed admit such an obsession too

[unsunghero]

not sure this counts on that scale as a 1/10, the image provided is a wildly deformed human being which lost on every single roll of the genetic lottery and thusly cannot be considered a viable breeding candidate.

be like asking a gay dude to either have sex with a woman or The Elephant Man.

if the man is unable to perform with a FUGLY person, this is not a fault of the man it's that nature was cruel enough to produce such an abomination of genetics whose appearance is a natural evolutionary signal that strongly suggests: "Do not mate with this, it will not produce healthy offspring"

same can be said for the most passable tranny who has cut, scraped, painted and weaved their physical image to mirror that of the conventional attractive woman. It still lacks the proper inner workings to produce healthy human babies and is therefore the exact same abomination as whatever that fat fugly female pic is.

avoid at all costs

you ask the question gun to my head? you better be good at close quarters combat.

also im pretty sure I could bang a legit 1/10 woman, even sober, again i must state that whatever that thing in the image is, does not qualify to even be rated.

nothing man-made will ever replace 100% natural home grown pussy

Hey props to the trans woman for at least being honest though

Many of these assaults of trans women come from men who were right about to hook up and then discover last minute that they are a biological man

This person had someone actively denying it, they could have just gone along with it, but they insisted on being honest over and over

Not saying it’s right to be assaulted for deceiving people but that is the risk you run when you do it

[Trexller]

"You're stupid if you don't have mental health problems"

Fuckin lol, I really hate YouTube.

we got millions of people who go through life without a clear thought in their minds.

and we let them vote and drive.

[Ripp]

Oh look, they're getting ready for the new boogeyman! Get ready to extend your arms folks, the Triple Threat is coming! This round will require you to get needled for three different boogeys! Plus... multiple rounds of boost needling of course. Isn't this great news?!

https://media.giphy.com/media/uJeyIHrRmrQcw/giphy.gif

[unsunghero]

"he" might of did a racism to that black toyota carsalemen but at least it wasn't as bad at this one.

https://i.imgur.com/S5eYsSL.png

FETUSES ARE NOT UNBORN CHILDREN WHAT THE FUCK!!!!

Collection of cells, it does not matter what happens to them! They are just fucking goop

Only 1 life was lost there

[aussenseiter]

The question posed by Andrew Tate is still terrifying though:

Would you rather have sex with a 1/10 biological woman or a 10/10 trans woman (and you can’t say neither)

Not this one but this is an example of a very very passable trans woman https://m.youtube.com/shorts/j6MguvaLQvk

And this would be an example of a 1/10 woman

(Grats, you’re gay now lol

What about a Peoria 7/10 transman?

[Ekco]

Oh look, they're getting ready for the new boogeyman! Get ready to extend your arms folks, the Triple Threat is coming! This round will require you to get needled for three different boogeys! Plus... multiple rounds of boost needling of course. Isn't this great news?!

https://media.giphy.com/media/uJeyIHrRmrQcw/giphy.gif

talkin about the MERS-covid? if only those camels social distanced better

i hope we get another lockdown, just to see how fucking insane everyone gets

[Ripp]

talkin about the MERS-covid?

i hope we get another lockdown, just to see how fucking insane everyone gets

But... but... lockdowns are good for us. They pertect us! ;)

[unsunghero]

What about a Peoria 7/10 transman?

What is that? Peoria is a city in my state

[aussenseiter]

What is that? Peoria is a city in my state

Peoria Illinois. A Peoria 10 is a New York 3.

[unsunghero]

Peoria Illinois. A Peoria 10 is a New York 3.

Lol oh

Could almost say that about Peoria here too

[aussenseiter]

Lol oh

Could almost say that about Peoria here too

Anyway, the transman?

[Trexller]

Hey props to the trans woman for at least being honest though

Many of these assaults of trans women come from men who were right about to hook up and then discover last minute that they are a biological man

This person had someone actively denying it, they could have just gone along with it, but they insisted on being honest over and over

Not saying it’s right to be assaulted for deceiving people but that is the risk you run when you do it

people seem to understand and accept as status quo that if you short the mafia on a drug sale, you're gonna get assaulted at a minimum.

trannies that go home with dudes who don't know they have a dick are doing the exact same thing

I personally wouldn't punch a dude in a wig, but I can understand why some may feel it is necessary.

then again I've never found any tranny to be "passable" - literally every one i've ever seen was immediately recognized as a fake poser imposter. The build, the walk, the limb thickness, the facial bone structure are always clear indicators. then there's the chemical indicators, you "smell" women even when you don't consciously recognize their scent.

Dudes that rate trannys as passable or not are just looking for mental justification to engage in gay sex.

after you log off the internet and go out in the real world you find that most folks really aren't exactly comfortable with this behavior, so putting a wig and a skirt on a man for another man who is scared of being gay is just grease on the gears for that man.

edit: if you can't tell that the woman is a fake, then really isn't that a problem with you? should beat yourself up for being stupid enough to engage with a mentally ill abomination, and leave that person with the plethora of problems they already have

[unsunghero]

Anyway, the transman?

Hmmm maybe. I’d rather bang a very bad at being passable trans man than a very good at being passable trans woman ;)

[Ekco]

people seem to understand and accept as status quo that if you short the mafia on a drug sale, you're gonna get assaulted at a minimum.

trannies that go home with dudes who don't know they have a dick are doing the exact same thing

I personally wouldn't punch a dude in a wig, but I can understand why some may feel it is necessary.

then again I've never found any tranny to be "passable" - literally every one i've ever seen was immediately recognized as a fake poser imposter. The build, the walk, the limb thickness, the facial bone structure are always clear indicators. then there's the chemical indicators, you "smell" women even when you don't consciously recognize their scent.

Dudes that rate trannys as passable or not are just looking for mental justification to engage in gay sex.

after you log off the internet and go out in the real world you find that most folks really aren't exactly comfortable with this behavior, so putting a wig and a skirt on a man for another man who is scared of being gay is just grease on the gears for that man.

edit: if you can't tell that the woman is a fake, then really isn't that a problem with you? should beat yourself up for being stupid enough to engage with a mentally ill abomination, and leave that person with the plethora of problems they already have
https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.d3406e5ba3175fbc3f7ec8c8b1482ac8?rik=OQGDiVjvZvj Bbg&pid=ImgRaw&r=0
The 600 series had rubber skin. We spotted them easy, but these are new. puberty blockers since childhood, They look human - sweat, bad breath, everything. Very hard to spot.

basically this ^ in 20 years

[Lune]

lol

[Botten]

But... but... lockdowns are good for us. They pertect us! ;)

No argument here

https://static.scientificamerican.com/sciam/cache/file/916DEFC7-2511-44EC-9D17AA2C9D7FC7F4_source.png

[Trexller]

https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.d3406e5ba3175fbc3f7ec8c8b1482ac8?rik=OQGDiVjvZvj Bbg&pid=ImgRaw&r=0
The 600 series had rubber skin. We spotted them easy, but these are new. puberty blockers since childhood, They look human - sweat, bad breath, everything. Very hard to spot.

basically this ^ in 20 years

They will try. We'll bring Dogs.

Why Dogs Can Detect Terminators (https://screenrant.com/terminator-movies-dog-detection-how/)

[magnetaress]

No argument here

https://static.scientificamerican.com/sciam/cache/file/916DEFC7-2511-44EC-9D17AA2C9D7FC7F4_source.png

Sad butt tru

a lot of it is OLDER ppl are republican more than anything and older ppl die more and faster and lose their families then die or they get senile or their caretakers get senile and they die pretty bad

more working class business folks who make $$$ in general live in the richer bluer areas and therefore have better access to medicine and likely better lifestyles ( a gym membership the ocassional fruit smoothie ) ---- they live there even if they may not be democrats themselves per seee because its still a pretty solid 3/5ths kinda split tho u wouldn't know it with the way every damn district everywhere in this country is jerrymandered

i mean its also gonna take that ambulance about 20 mins to come out to u in the sticks if u live out there and u have the big one just like everyone does even if ur a healthy bro and ur just old enough with unlucky enough genetics or previous chemical exposure from a hazardous occupation

so to look at these stats and go --- oh well ya thats dumb, but well ya it's just another form of prejudice tho

[magnetaress]

They will try. We'll bring Dogs.

Why Dogs Can Detect Terminators (https://screenrant.com/terminator-movies-dog-detection-how/)

except heres the thing dogs don't detect died in the wool *redacted* uhmm people like me

they detect stupid, fear, and deciet they detect untrustworthyness

animals fuckin love me and i'm not the greatest person in the whole wide world i am trustworthy, and somewhat honorable tho, i'm also psychic and speak animal languages so they read me reading them and proffering respect for the sharp fangs and teeth and no threat aura and feel at ease, i think they also get a little bit of the 'well i'm actually vigilant enough to watch their backs so they can let their own guard down some' like they know i would bark a lil if something stupid was goin

I'm still technically a terminator tho

[magnetaress]

people seem to understand and accept as status quo that if you short the mafia on a drug sale, you're gonna get assaulted at a minimum.

trannies that go home with dudes who don't know they have a dick are doing the exact same thing

I personally wouldn't punch a dude in a wig, but I can understand why some may feel it is necessary.

then again I've never found any tranny to be "passable" - literally every one i've ever seen was immediately recognized as a fake poser imposter. The build, the walk, the limb thickness, the facial bone structure are always clear indicators. then there's the chemical indicators, you "smell" women even when you don't consciously recognize their scent.

Dudes that rate trannys as passable or not are just looking for mental justification to engage in gay sex.

after you log off the internet and go out in the real world you find that most folks really aren't exactly comfortable with this behavior, so putting a wig and a skirt on a man for another man who is scared of being gay is just grease on the gears for that man.

edit: if you can't tell that the woman is a fake, then really isn't that a problem with you? should beat yourself up for being stupid enough to engage with a mentally ill abomination, and leave that person with the plethora of problems they already have

oh ya my above post has nothing to do with this butt ya people are fuckin retards man

[magnetaress]

talkin about the MERS-covid? if only those camels social distanced better

i hope we get another lockdown, just to see how fucking insane everyone gets

I dont' want to die to some dumb shit like that but man it would serve american right to get a real fuckin god damn 80% mortality rate kinda thing going on

for being fucking gross and stupid and unclean

remember cleanliness is nexto g-dliness

[magnetaress]

this explains so much about humans, that some people out there simply are barely evolved skinbags, going through life on stimulus alone.

DRLkDafQbP8

oh ya

ppl say no to eugenics but my inner monologue screams fucking yes plz

fucking make ppl test out of childhood with some real strong tests

[magnetaress]

yOYdHvLVU7E

everyone else is wrong in this video, society just hasn't caught up yet.

this was me in my 20s and i am biologically male so uh lol i feel for him

[Trexller]

except heres the thing dogs don't detect died in the wool *redacted* uhmm people like me

they detect stupid, fear, and deciet they detect untrustworthyness

animals fuckin love me and i'm not the greatest person in the whole wide world i am trustworthy, and somewhat honorable tho, i'm also psychic and speak animal languages so they read me reading them and proffering respect for the sharp fangs and teeth and no threat aura and feel at ease, i think they also get a little bit of the 'well i'm actually vigilant enough to watch their backs so they can let their own guard down some' like they know i would bark a lil if something stupid was goin

I'm still technically a terminator tho

dogs would hear the servos, detect the wrong mannerisms, smell the wrong parts-per-billion chemicals.

birds can see a wider spectrum of visible light, and limited into the infrared.

we have to be able to engineer devices or train these animals to detect all non-humanoids

[magnetaress]

if we are a talking about geuninely mechanical cyborgs ya

it would wierd them out at the very mininimum theyd be excited and kinda of alert more than normal

[magnetaress]

I experience my inner speach as really complex shitty forumquest sessions and posts

i can't imagine what the actual output is on the other end tho (the real world)

teeheheheheheheheheee

[Trexller]

I experience my inner speach as really complex shitty forumquest sessions and posts

i can't imagine what the actual output is on the other end tho (the real world)

teeheheheheheheheheee

you get your points across and they are usually reasonable

[unsunghero]

Didn’t watch the vid because at work atm, but I think it is completely impossible for someone to go through life without an internal monologue. So if that’s what the vid is claiming, I call bullshit

Maybe with some kind of organic brain damage

[magnetaress]

you get your points across and they are usually reasonable

thanks i am usually just being an asshat
-----------------------------
this guy is a jedi master however

nBXpFbOPUdA

or maybe a sith lord

if u struggle with self talk lol

[Lune]

Didn’t watch the vid because at work atm, but I think it is completely impossible for someone to go through life without an internal monologue. So if that’s what the vid is claiming, I call bullshit

Maybe with some kind of organic brain damage

Most people who make this observation imply that people without an internal monologue are retarded or something, but that's not the case. They still have thoughts, it just works differently. Whereas I might think "I want some sushi", they'll visualize sushi, a 'mental video' of them eating sushi, or feel the desire for sushi matched with imagery. There are thought to be numerous different types of 'thinkers' and I doubt one is inherently better than another. I had a room-mate in college who has aspergers and couldn't make images in his head or visualize anything. He's an electrophysiologist now, which is a type of medical doctor sort of like a cardiologist that specializes in rhythm. Was brilliant but couldn't write for shit

[unsunghero]

Most people who make this observation imply that people without an internal monologue are retarded or something, but that's not the case. They still have thoughts, it just works differently. Whereas I might think "I want some sushi", they'll visualize sushi, a 'mental video' of them eating sushi, or feel the desire for sushi matched with imagery. There are thought to be numerous different types of 'thinkers' and I doubt one is inherently better than another. I had a room-mate in college who has aspergers and couldn't make images in his head or visualize anything. He's an electrophysiologist now, which is a type of medical doctor sort of like a cardiologist that specializes in rhythm. Was brilliant but couldn't write for shit

Maybe at times, but there’s no way someone can go their entire life without holding at least 1 word in their head for a moment. I just can’t believe that…

[magnetaress]

my inner monologue used to be super negative its actually v positive now and i am constantly laughing my ass off internally at every fucking little thing

i'm not outwardly manic i look like a drugged out wreck irl and move like a sloth with parkinsons

i toooo can't imagine living life without much of a thoughtfullness to it

that is except when in a "flow state" and that comes from doing some complex task that doesn't require much thinking (like playing a video game).

What is really funny is when you become super grounded in reality and mindful and then u sit in a room with ppl watching T.V. and you catch their facial expressions and postures changing with the video and they are likely not observing details in the video you are and they are in a completely emotional zombie state where outwardly they are shut off but they are experiencing something in side it is SUPER fucking clear these ppl are geletain brains but u should love them because u know

g-d is all of creation <3

[aussenseiter]

DAMNING: Tromp praised election security in month prior to his loss (https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/24/politics/special-counsel-trump-oval-office-election-security-february-2020/index.html)

🦝

[unsunghero]

DAMNING: Tromp praised election security in month prior to his loss (https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/24/politics/special-counsel-trump-oval-office-election-security-february-2020/index.html)

🦝

The optics were never good when you had the counters say “hey, we got these late night ballot boxes, let’s go ahead and put the cardboard over the windows so no one can see us and continue this count”

I personally understand the reason for it, but still it’s completely shit optics to do something like that

[unsunghero]

^
Really 2020 should be a permanent lesson that mail-in’s are typically counted last, and Dems are far more likely to do mail ins than Republicans

So any initial Republican lead is always going to be irrelevant. It doesn’t matter how you start, it matters how you finish

[Botten]

So any initial Republican lead is always going to be irrelevant. It doesn’t matter how you start, it matters how you finish

Because the after party is going to be a riot! *Ba Dum Ching

[Trexller]

It doesn’t matter how you start, it matters how you finish

In Bed.

[aussenseiter]

DAMNING: Tromp praised election security in month prior to his loss (https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/24/politics/special-counsel-trump-oval-office-election-security-february-2020/index.html)

🦝

The optics were never good when you had the counters say “hey, we got these late night ballot boxes, let’s go ahead and put the cardboard over the windows so no one can see us and continue this count”

I personally understand the reason for it, but still it’s completely shit optics to do something like that

Because the after party is going to be a riot! *Ba Dum Ching


^
Really 2020 should be a permanent lesson that mail-in’s are typically counted last, and Dems are far more likely to do mail ins than Republicans

So any initial Republican lead is always going to be irrelevant. It doesn’t matter how you start, it matters how you finish

February 2020 can certainly be said to be a month prior to the election.

🦝

[Homesteaded]

Two sexes, no genders.

[Trexller]

Two sexes, no genders.

https://y.yarn.co/70602899-16d2-41ba-b9f1-8fddf256eac3_text.gif

[Lune]

One God, eighty religions

[aussenseiter]

One God, eighty religions

Luther has entered the chat.

[unsunghero]

Btw, once again had everything I said about homelessness and drugs validated

Request today from black mom living in section 8 housing, put her teenage daughter through multiple rehabs trying to get her to stop with the drugs, kid kept relapsing. Mom kicked her out at 18, kid has been couch surfing with friends and doing meth and fentanyl for the past yr, now 19

Mom lets her in due to pity from the heat on the previous rules no drug use while living there. Kid immediately goes out and does meth, gets paranoid staying up all night, admits the drug use to mom (this kid is an open book)

Mom calls me to assist her to a rehab. I have a route all set up, all she has to do is agree. Girl said she did a rehab in the past. I’m like “really? Ok so let’s do it again”, mom said “nah she walked out 2 days in”

I ask why she left, girl says “Ima be real with you, I wanted to get high”. She says nope to rehab now again, knowing mom is kicking her out for not going (again). I came at her from every angle, reminding her that a lot of the homeless wandering our skid row area never had a family like hers (both her and mom admitted she has a large and supportive family, just not about drug use). She still said nope

She was recently arrested for possession and was offered rehab as a deferment. So no jail or prison. And mom says “she doesn’t follow through with what the courts ask her to do, and every time they catch her, she always has drugs on her, so it’s repeated possession charges”

Everything I say about how drug abusers don’t just go right to jail or prison, it’s by ignoring everything requested of them that gets them there. And how rehabs suck because people can just walk out whenever they get a craving. All based on stuff I hear every day. Kid was left locked out of the house on the phone with her drug hookup to come pick her up.

80% of the agency’s requests this week were about people using meth and/or fentanyl

[Lune]

Tough situation. Very few 18/19 year olds are going to have the wisdom and force of will it requires to beat an addiction once it has set in... without losing years of their life to it.

[unsunghero]

Tough situation. Very few 18/19 year olds are going to have the wisdom and force of will it requires to beat an addiction once it has set in... without losing years of their life to it.

Fucks with (temporarily) the reasoning part of the brain too. I still figured she could reason (and this was an angle I tried) that her mom told me she already has a warrant out for her arrest for missing court and not doing anything requested of her (which was mostly rehab). So by going to rehab now, she avoids a potential arrest in the very near future

Still, no, and she knows enough about client counselor privilege that I cannot & will not turn her in for her warrant. Whether her mom does, is up the mom. I think it could go 50/50, I’m not allowed to tell her what she should do but the mom and her place were very well put together, mom seemed completely sober and with it. She might just turn the kid in, I dunno

But even with jail looming, still no. She never offered why, I’m left assuming she thinks she can just avoid getting caught again from here on out

[Botten]

Two sexes, no genders.

Protandry would like to have a talk with you.

And what about binary fission, budding, vegetative propagation, sporogenesis, fragmentation, parthenogenesis and apomixis?

[Origen]

There is also the fact that there are hundreds of succesful cultures in human history and the modern era that accomodate non-binary genders.

https://anthropologyreview.org/anthropology-archaeology-news/non-binary-gender-identities-in-different-cultures/

[Elizondo]

Same people who don't know what a women is pretending to be experts on 'gender'

Comedy ensues

[Ooloo]

There is also the fact that there are hundreds of succesful cultures in human history and the modern era that accomodate non-binary genders.

https://anthropologyreview.org/anthropology-archaeology-news/non-binary-gender-identities-in-different-cultures/

Cool! But do they chemically castrate children with exogenous hormones and chemicals? That's kind of the important part.

Nobody has a problem with just being nice to people who are a little eccentric in how they present themselves.

I also doubt the eccentrics in those cultures ran around shrieking and physically threatening anyone who doesn't "accommodate" them. The modern western gender activists are some of the most hateful and narcissistic people I've ever seen in my life.

[Ooloo]

Oh btw here's an excerpt of an excellent interview with Helyn Joyce by the milftastic Megyn Kelly perfectly breaking down some of the most awful aspects of this ideology. I recommend watching the full interview! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5IF-r6FCgU

[aussenseiter]

There is also the fact that there are hundreds of succesful cultures in human history and the modern era that accomodate non-binary genders.

https://anthropologyreview.org/anthropology-archaeology-news/non-binary-gender-identities-in-different-cultures/

This is a sede but here

NrjJG6tqGe4

[Botten]

Same people who don't know what a women is pretending to be experts on 'gender'

Comedy ensues

Says the guy who supports a religion which allows male priests to chase boys.


.

[Botten]

Cool! But do they chemically castrate children with exogenous hormones and chemicals? That's kind of the important part.
....

I also doubt the eccentrics in those cultures ran around shrieking and physically threatening anyone who doesn't "accommodate" them. ...

Baler you are hilarious. You really need to get out of your consulting echo chamber podcasts. That Ben Shapiro garbage is rotting your brain.

The NC Majority Fund, the campaign committee of the Senate Republican Caucus, has allied itself with Larry Norman, Republican candidate for Senate District 18, who recently said in a questionnaire with Wake Weekly that he supports “sterilization” of women. Here is the full quote:

We must do more to encourage people who are not willing to support and raise children, not to have them. I am opposed to abortion, but I am not opposed to better education for children to learn to prevent pregnancies through contraceptives or sterilization.
(https://www.ncdp.org/media/do-republicans-support-sterilization/)
...

“We cannot accept comments that advocate for the practice of sterilization, especially given that sterilization has been used to terrorize women of color and other minoritized communities,” said Sarah Crawford, Democratic Nominee for Senate District 18. “Mr. Norman is advocating for policies that not only oppress minoritized populations but control them in one of the most heinous of ways.

[Origen]

Cool! But do they chemically castrate children with exogenous hormones and chemicals? That's kind of the important part.

Nobody has a problem with just being nice to people who are a little eccentric in how they present themselves.

I also doubt the eccentrics in those cultures ran around shrieking and physically threatening anyone who doesn't "accommodate" them. The modern western gender activists are some of the most hateful and narcissistic people I've ever seen in my life.Debate club rules in this Ooloo post are set to the "Off" position.

To answer, I dunno, wasn't my claim. Watching Ooloo move the goalposts around, yet again, is always fun.

[Toxigen]

you got em now!!!

[cd288]

Debate club rules in this Ooloo post are set to the "Off" position.

To answer, I dunno, wasn't my claim. Watching Ooloo move the goalposts around, yet again, is always fun.

They actually hire him to put up and take down the goalposts at football fields because he's so good at moving them

[Origen]

They actually hire him to put up and take down the goalposts at football fields because he's so good at moving themI'm actually fine with moving goalposts, it's the toggle on/off debate club rules that annoy me.

[Origen]

This is a sede but here

NrjJG6tqGe4I'm trying to watch this but I keep having to do this "work" stuff so will follow up later okay

Edit: Whoever this guy is, he's the person Ooloo probably he wishes he was. Fairly slick, but a very misleading way to speak to an apparently warm room. Guess it makes sense for YAF attendees. Referring to Aztec gods as "demons" jumps out at me. Acknowledging that they're on stolen land then immediately disparaging other indigenous people, nice.

Anyways, I don't know why her answer to his question was not "ask". That's how you can know someone's gender, and if you are hesitant to ask, remember it's technically not your business in the first place.

I used the wrong pronouns for Tortuguita (who was shot 57 times by Georgia State Troopers) in front of a room full of leftists, it happens, only the rightoids seem to dwell on it

[aussenseiter]

I'm trying to watch this but I keep having to do this "work" stuff so will follow up later okay

Edit: Whoever this guy is, he's the person Ooloo probably he wishes he was. Fairly slick, but a very misleading way to speak to an apparently warm room. Guess it makes sense for YAF attendees. Referring to Aztec gods as "demons" jumps out at me. Acknowledging that they're on stolen land then immediately disparaging other indigenous people, nice.

Anyways, I don't know why her answer to his question was not "ask". That's how you can know someone's gender, and if you are hesitant to ask, remember it's technically not your business in the first place.

I used the wrong pronouns for Tortuguita (who was shot 57 times by Georgia State Troopers) in front of a room full of leftists, it happens, only the rightoids seem to dwell on it

How can I know if the person I ask is telling the truth when I ask them?

It's turtles all the way down.

[Origen]

How can I know if the person I ask is telling the truth when I ask them?

It's turtles all the way down.How do you know someone is telling you the truth about their name, unless you check their id?

Also, we can change our names. So even what the DL says might not be what that person is called. Jeff Francoeur's license probably doesn't say it, but we all call him Frenchy.

[aussenseiter]

How do you know someone is telling you the truth about their name, unless you check their id?

Also, we can change our names. So even what the DL says might not be what that person is called. Jeff Francoeur's license probably doesn't say it, but we all call him Frenchy.

I can't know.

[Origen]

I can't know.Now apply that murkiness to gender and sexual orientation. It's fine. I don't check under the hood of every car I walk past.

[Origen]

What gender are you?

I will ask again in 1 hour.

(You see where this is going :eek:)Male, I don't have the dysphoria. But I respect that you are implying this can change anytime. I am comfortable in the present. Doesn't mean things won't change in the future. I'd make an excellent woman, or even something in between.

[Landroval]

I beg to differ. You'd make an annoyingly retarded woman, just like you're an annoyingly retarded whatever right now

[Origen]

That's fine, your opinions mean nothing to me no matter my place on the gender spectrum

[unsunghero]

“Tyson said it took a while for her to accept her own identity over fears that once she did accept herself as a woman she’d hear others say, “no, you’re not.””

- MAYBE

MAYBE

During all this “extensive therapy” you should work on not letting the opinions of people you don’t know or respect dictate your fears in life or how you feel about yourself

But what do I know? Instead keep letting trolls control you, Chris. Solid plan, ma’am

[Ooloo]

Debate club rules in this Ooloo post are set to the "Off" position.

To answer, I dunno, wasn't my claim. Watching Ooloo move the goalposts around, yet again, is always fun.

Haha what goalposts am I moving? All I ask is that when you want me to "refute the science" on transgenderism, you actually provide some science to refute. Like, a study, or a paper, or a peer reviewed blind control. Anything. Literally anything.

This is all incredibly new and experimental, so it's your job to provide evidence that it's a good thing to do. It's not my job to provide evidence that it's not. You have the burden of proof totally backward on this.

Or just tap yet again by posting "this isn't debate club" or whatever.

[Landroval]

Haha what goalposts am I moving? All I ask is that when you want me to "refute the science" on transgenderism, you actually provide some science to refute. Like, a study, or a paper, or a peer reviewed blind control. Anything. Literally anything.

This is all incredibly new and experimental, so it's your job to provide evidence that it's a good thing to do. It's not my job to provide evidence that it's not. You have the burden of proof totally backward on this.

Or just tap yet again by posting "this isn't debate club" or whatever.

Most of that "science" was torched 80 years ago, unfortunately.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnus_Hirschfeld

[Origen]

Like, a study, or a paper, or a peer reviewed blind control. Anything. Literally anything.Okay since I have to make this horse drink
“Decisions about medical care belong within the sanctity of the patient-physician relationship,” the AMA wrote in its letter. “As with all medical interventions, physicians are guided by their ethical duty to act in the best interest of their patients and must tailor recommendations about specific interventions and the timing of those interventions to each patient’s unique circumstances. Such decisions must be sensitive to the child’s clinical situation, nurture the child’s short and long-term development, and balance the need to preserve the child’s opportunity to make important life choices autonomously in the future. We believe it is inappropriate and harmful for any state to legislatively dictate that certain transition-related services are never appropriate and limit the range of options physicians and families may consider when making decisions for pediatric patients.”From: https://www.ama-assn.org/press-center/press-releases/ama-states-stop-interfering-health-care-transgender-children

What, specifically, is wrong with this statement by the AMA? Remember to provide sources -those things at the bottom that cite papers and studies that are always absent from right wing youtube.

1 Sari Reisner, et al., Psychiatric Diagnoses and Comorbidities in a Diverse, Multicity Cohort of Young Transgender Women: Baseline Findings from Project LifeSkills, 170 J. Am. Med. Ass’n Pediatrics 5, 481–86 (May 2016).

2 Ashli Owen-Smith, et al., Association Between Gender Confirmation Treatments and Perceived Gender Congruence, Body Image Satisfaction, and Mental Health in a Cohort of Transgender Individuals, 15 J Sexual Med 4, 591-600 (Apr. 2018); Michelle Marie Johns, et al., Protective Factors Among Transgender and Gender Variant Youth: A Systematic Review by Socioecological Level, 39 J Primary Prevention 3, 263-301 (Jun. 2018).

3 M. Hassan Murad, et al., Hormonal Therapy and Sex Reassignment: A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis of Quality of Life and Psychosocial Outcomes, 72 Clinical Endocrinology 2, 214-331 (Feb. 2010); Yolanda Smith, et al., Sex Reassignment: Outcomes and Predictors of Treatment for Adult and Adolescent Transsexuals, 35 Psychological Med. 1, 89-99 (Jan. 2005).

4 Jessica Xavier, Admin. HIV and AIDS, D.C. Gov’t, The Washington Transgender Needs Assessment Survey (2000); Wendy Bostwick & Gretchen Kenagy, Health and Social Service Needs of Transgendered People in Chicago, 8 Int’l J Transgenderism 2-3, 57-66 (Oct. 2008); Cathy Reback, et al., Los Angeles Transgender Health Study: Community Report (2001).

[Origen]

Yes, I do know more about pediatrics than pediatricians who want to turn boys into girls. Yep, that's true.Great here's the second paper in that link, show me how you got that Youtube certification by dismantling this paper -the second one in the list above.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5882508/

[Botten]

This is all incredibly new and experimental, so it's your job to provide evidence that it's a good thing to do. It's not my job to provide evidence that it's not. You have the burden of proof totally backward on this.

Nothing new at all.

Puberty-blocking drugs postpone the process by suppressing gonadotropin hormone release. They include:

Lupron (leuprolide), a monthly or once-every-three-months intramuscular injection
Fensolvi, a different leuprolide injection administered subcutaneously every six months
Triptodur (triptorelin), a six-month intramuscular injection
Supprelin (histrelin), an annual surgical implant

While puberty blockers have been scrutinized by some due to their use in caring for transgender children, these drugs have been in use since the 1980s and are overwhelmingly safe if used appropriately.

First sex change surgery was done in 1960s.

The burden of proof fallacy is a logical fallacy that occurs when someone tries to evade their burden of proof, by denying it, pretending to have fulfilled it, or shifting it to someone else.


.

[unsunghero]

Nothing new at all.

Puberty-blocking drugs postpone the process by suppressing gonadotropin hormone release. They include:

Lupron (leuprolide), a monthly or once-every-three-months intramuscular injection
Fensolvi, a different leuprolide injection administered subcutaneously every six months
Triptodur (triptorelin), a six-month intramuscular injection
Supprelin (histrelin), an annual surgical implant

While puberty blockers have been scrutinized by some due to their use in caring for transgender children, these drugs have been in use since the 1980s and are overwhelmingly safe if used appropriately.

First sex change surgery was done in 1960s.

The burden of proof fallacy is a logical fallacy that occurs when someone tries to evade their burden of proof, by denying it, pretending to have fulfilled it, or shifting it to someone else.


.

I’m guessing that the “appropriate” medical situation for needing to block puberty prior is far less common than gender dysphoria is today

Generally, when you being practicing a drug or medical procedure on more total people, you are probably going to get a wider range of negative side effects, due to different people’s physiology responding differently

So, we’ll see what new ones start to crop up with this new generation of test dummies

[Ooloo]

Okay since I have to make this horse drink
From: https://www.ama-assn.org/press-center/press-releases/ama-states-stop-interfering-health-care-transgender-children

What, specifically, is wrong with this statement by the AMA? Remember to provide sources -those things at the bottom that cite papers and studies that are always absent from right wing youtube.

Here's what's wrong with it: the studies are incredibly limited methodologically. They essentially ask people six months to a year after having treatment if they feel good about it, and unsurprisingly most respondents say "I sure do!". And then there is no follow up beyond that initial timeframe. The sample sizes are also absurdly small. You would need a drastically larger sample size, tracked over decades, to make any definitive proclamations about whether this actually helps people, because the outcomes are often permanent and irreversible. You also need to account for the data regarding regret and de-transition, and show that the benefits of transition outweigh the risks. As detailed here:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10027312/

And here are your sources:

1. Adult development and quality of life of transgender and gender nonconforming people. Bockting W, Coleman E, Deutsch MB, et al. Curr Opin Endocrinol Diabetes Obes. 2016;23:188–197. [PMC free article] [PubMed] [Google Scholar]
2. Standards of care for the health of transsexual, transgender, and gender-nonconforming people, version 7. Coleman E, Bockting W, Botzer M, et al. Int J Transgend. 2012;13:165–232. [Google Scholar]
3. The lifetime prevalence of psychiatric diagnoses in an academic gender reassignment service. Grobler GP. Curr Opin Psychiatry. 2017;30:391–395. [PubMed] [Google Scholar]
4. Mental health concerns and insurance denials among transgender adolescents. Nahata L, Quinn GP, Caltabellotta NM, Tishelman AC. LGBT Health. 2017;4:188–193. [PubMed] [Google Scholar]
5. Mental health outcomes in transgender and nonbinary youths receiving gender-affirming care. Tordoff DM, Wanta JW, Collin A, Stepney C, Inwards-Breland DJ, Ahrens K. JAMA Netw Open. 2022;5:0. [PMC free article] [PubMed] [Google Scholar]
6. How early in life do transgender adults begin to experience gender dysphoria? Why this matters for patients, providers, and for our healthcare system. Zaliznyak M, Yuan N, Bresee C, Freedman A, Garcia MM. Sex Med. 2021;9:100448. [PMC free article] [PubMed] [Google Scholar]
7. Prevalence of gender identity disorder and suicide risk among transgender veterans utilizing veterans health administration care. Blosnich JR, Brown GR, Shipherd Phd JC, Kauth M, Piegari RI, Bossarte RM. Am J Public Health. 2013;103:0–32. [PMC free article] [PubMed] [Google Scholar]
8. The mental health of transgender youth: advances in understanding. Connolly MD, Zervos MJ, Barone CJ 2nd, Johnson CC, Joseph CL. J Adolesc Health. 2016;59:489–495. [PubMed] [Google Scholar]
9. Suicide attempts among a cohort of transgender and gender diverse people. Mak J, Shires DA, Zhang Q, et al. Am J Prev Med. 2020;59:570–577. [PMC free article] [PubMed] [Google Scholar]
10. Mental health and timing of gender-affirming care. Sorbara JC, Chiniara LN, Thompson S, Palmert MR. Pediatrics. 2020;146:0. [PubMed] [Google Scholar]
11. Suicidality disparities between transgender and cisgender adolescents. Thoma BC, Salk RH, Choukas-Bradley S, Goldstein TR, Levine MD, Marshal MP. Pediatrics. 2019;144:0. [PMC free article] [PubMed] [Google Scholar]
12. Transgender adolescent suicide behavior. Toomey RB, Syvertsen AK, Shramko M. Pediatrics. 2018;142:0. [PMC free article] [PubMed] [Google Scholar]
13. Gender dysphoria in adults. Zucker KJ, Lawrence AA, Kreukels BP. Annu Rev Clin Psychol. 2016;12:217–247. [PubMed] [Google Scholar]
14. Mental health of transgender youth in care at an adolescent urban community health center: a matched retrospective cohort study. Reisner SL, Vetters R, Leclerc M, Zaslow S, Wolfrum S, Shumer D, Mimiaga MJ. J Adolesc Health. 2015;56:274–279. [PMC free article] [PubMed] [Google Scholar]
15. Baseline physiologic and psychosocial characteristics of transgender youth seeking care for gender dysphoria. Olson J, Schrager SM, Belzer M, Simons LK, Clark LF. J Adolesc Health. 2015;57:374–380. [PMC free article] [PubMed] [Google Scholar]
16. Assessment of health conditions and health service use among transgender patients in Canada. Abramovich A, de Oliveira C, Kiran T, Iwajomo T, Ross LE, Kurdyak P. JAMA Netw Open. 2020;3:0. [PMC free article] [PubMed] [Google Scholar]
17. Assessment of cardiovascular risk in transgender patients presenting for gender-affirming care. Denby KJ, Cho L, Toljan K, Patil M, Ferrando CA. Am J Med. 2021;134:1002–1008. [PubMed] [Google Scholar]
18. Psychiatric disorders in the U.S. transgender population. Hanna B, Desai R, Parekh T, Guirguis E, Kumar G, Sachdeva R. Ann Epidemiol. 2019;39:1–7. [PubMed] [Google Scholar]
19. A 2020 review of mental health comorbidity in gender dysphoric and gender non-conforming people. Paz-Otero M, Becerra-Fernández A, Pérez-López G, Ly-Pen D. J Psychiatry Treat Res. 2021;3:44–55. [Google Scholar]
20. High burden of mental health problems, substance use, violence, and related psychosocial factors in transgender, non-binary, and gender diverse youth and young adults. Newcomb ME, Hill R, Buehler K, Ryan DT, Whitton SW, Mustanski B. Arch Sex Behav. 2020;49:645–659. [PMC free article] [PubMed] [Google Scholar]
21. Substance use among transgender and cisgender high school students. Fuxman S, Valenti M, Kessel Schneider S, O’Brien KHM, O’Donnell L. J LGBT Youth. 2021;18:40–

[cd288]

Here's what's wrong with it: the studies are incredibly limited methodologically. They essentially ask people six months to a year after having treatment if they feel good about it, and unsurprisingly most respondents say "I sure do!". And then there is no follow up beyond that initial timeframe. The sample sizes are also absurdly small. You would need a drastically larger sample size, tracked over decades, to make any definitive proclamations about whether this actually helps people, because the outcomes are often permanent and irreversible. You also need to account for the data regarding regret and de-transition, and show that the benefits of transition outweigh the risks. As detailed here:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10027312/

And here are your sources:

1. Adult development and quality of life of transgender and gender nonconforming people. Bockting W, Coleman E, Deutsch MB, et al. Curr Opin Endocrinol Diabetes Obes. 2016;23:188–197. [PMC free article] [PubMed] [Google Scholar]
2. Standards of care for the health of transsexual, transgender, and gender-nonconforming people, version 7. Coleman E, Bockting W, Botzer M, et al. Int J Transgend. 2012;13:165–232. [Google Scholar]
3. The lifetime prevalence of psychiatric diagnoses in an academic gender reassignment service. Grobler GP. Curr Opin Psychiatry. 2017;30:391–395. [PubMed] [Google Scholar]
4. Mental health concerns and insurance denials among transgender adolescents. Nahata L, Quinn GP, Caltabellotta NM, Tishelman AC. LGBT Health. 2017;4:188–193. [PubMed] [Google Scholar]
5. Mental health outcomes in transgender and nonbinary youths receiving gender-affirming care. Tordoff DM, Wanta JW, Collin A, Stepney C, Inwards-Breland DJ, Ahrens K. JAMA Netw Open. 2022;5:0. [PMC free article] [PubMed] [Google Scholar]
6. How early in life do transgender adults begin to experience gender dysphoria? Why this matters for patients, providers, and for our healthcare system. Zaliznyak M, Yuan N, Bresee C, Freedman A, Garcia MM. Sex Med. 2021;9:100448. [PMC free article] [PubMed] [Google Scholar]
7. Prevalence of gender identity disorder and suicide risk among transgender veterans utilizing veterans health administration care. Blosnich JR, Brown GR, Shipherd Phd JC, Kauth M, Piegari RI, Bossarte RM. Am J Public Health. 2013;103:0–32. [PMC free article] [PubMed] [Google Scholar]
8. The mental health of transgender youth: advances in understanding. Connolly MD, Zervos MJ, Barone CJ 2nd, Johnson CC, Joseph CL. J Adolesc Health. 2016;59:489–495. [PubMed] [Google Scholar]
9. Suicide attempts among a cohort of transgender and gender diverse people. Mak J, Shires DA, Zhang Q, et al. Am J Prev Med. 2020;59:570–577. [PMC free article] [PubMed] [Google Scholar]
10. Mental health and timing of gender-affirming care. Sorbara JC, Chiniara LN, Thompson S, Palmert MR. Pediatrics. 2020;146:0. [PubMed] [Google Scholar]
11. Suicidality disparities between transgender and cisgender adolescents. Thoma BC, Salk RH, Choukas-Bradley S, Goldstein TR, Levine MD, Marshal MP. Pediatrics. 2019;144:0. [PMC free article] [PubMed] [Google Scholar]
12. Transgender adolescent suicide behavior. Toomey RB, Syvertsen AK, Shramko M. Pediatrics. 2018;142:0. [PMC free article] [PubMed] [Google Scholar]
13. Gender dysphoria in adults. Zucker KJ, Lawrence AA, Kreukels BP. Annu Rev Clin Psychol. 2016;12:217–247. [PubMed] [Google Scholar]
14. Mental health of transgender youth in care at an adolescent urban community health center: a matched retrospective cohort study. Reisner SL, Vetters R, Leclerc M, Zaslow S, Wolfrum S, Shumer D, Mimiaga MJ. J Adolesc Health. 2015;56:274–279. [PMC free article] [PubMed] [Google Scholar]
15. Baseline physiologic and psychosocial characteristics of transgender youth seeking care for gender dysphoria. Olson J, Schrager SM, Belzer M, Simons LK, Clark LF. J Adolesc Health. 2015;57:374–380. [PMC free article] [PubMed] [Google Scholar]
16. Assessment of health conditions and health service use among transgender patients in Canada. Abramovich A, de Oliveira C, Kiran T, Iwajomo T, Ross LE, Kurdyak P. JAMA Netw Open. 2020;3:0. [PMC free article] [PubMed] [Google Scholar]
17. Assessment of cardiovascular risk in transgender patients presenting for gender-affirming care. Denby KJ, Cho L, Toljan K, Patil M, Ferrando CA. Am J Med. 2021;134:1002–1008. [PubMed] [Google Scholar]
18. Psychiatric disorders in the U.S. transgender population. Hanna B, Desai R, Parekh T, Guirguis E, Kumar G, Sachdeva R. Ann Epidemiol. 2019;39:1–7. [PubMed] [Google Scholar]
19. A 2020 review of mental health comorbidity in gender dysphoric and gender non-conforming people. Paz-Otero M, Becerra-Fernández A, Pérez-López G, Ly-Pen D. J Psychiatry Treat Res. 2021;3:44–55. [Google Scholar]
20. High burden of mental health problems, substance use, violence, and related psychosocial factors in transgender, non-binary, and gender diverse youth and young adults. Newcomb ME, Hill R, Buehler K, Ryan DT, Whitton SW, Mustanski B. Arch Sex Behav. 2020;49:645–659. [PMC free article] [PubMed] [Google Scholar]
21. Substance use among transgender and cisgender high school students. Fuxman S, Valenti M, Kessel Schneider S, O’Brien KHM, O’Donnell L. J LGBT Youth. 2021;18:40–

I think you make a fair point there...however, why do the studies even matter? As a Republican I could care less if these people transition and whether they do or do not regret it later on. Do you know why? Because I'm a Republican...which means I'm for small government, which means shit like this isn't something we need government bans/limits on (likewise, I don't think taxpayers should have to bear any burden (or increased insurance costs) to enable these people to get their hormones or whatever) and it shouldn't be a political issue.

If they wanna transition, go for it.

[unsunghero]

I think you make a fair point there...however, why do the studies even matter? As a Republican I could care less if these people transition and whether they do or do not regret it later on. Do you know why? Because I'm a Republican...which means I'm for small government, which means shit like this isn't something we need government bans/limits on (likewise, I don't think taxpayers should have to bear any burden (or increased insurance costs) to enable these people to get their hormones or whatever) and it shouldn't be a political issue.

If they wanna transition, go for it.

As adults yea. I think Ooloo has concerns for kids having the autonomy being able to make life altering medical decisions with their bodies, despite not being considered mature enough to vote, drive a car, live independently, work, use beer or cigarettes, etc

[unsunghero]

HRT for women can be a crude example of how the testing sample size matters for people’s individual response

The medical field wanted to stop doing HRT for women, because they discovered that like 4/1000 women who took HRT developed breast cancer as a result. Now, had they only previously tested HRT on, say, 200 women, and had no side effects, they could claim HRT was previously completely safe

But widen up the test group and take into account people’s individual genetic makeup, and all of a sudden uh oh, we have this very serious side effect emerge. Still a low chance at 4/1000, but some women might decide now it’s not worth the risk

But they wouldn’t know about the risk before because the test group was so small. It’s like the randomness of TRT for men, some are called (probably informally) “hyper-responders”, and are more likely to develop gyno or prostate cancer or something. With something as widely practiced as TRT is now, you see a wide range of side effects. Luckily most still minor

[unsunghero]

As adults yea. I think Ooloo has concerns for kids having the autonomy being able to make life altering medical decisions with their bodies, despite not being considered mature enough to vote, drive a car, live independently, work, use beer or cigarettes, etc

“But what about their parents and the clinicians”

Parents have a great deal of influence on their kids, and kids by nature are built to appease. So I am skeptical there

And clinicians…if their goal is truly to be objective and unbiased, they should have a low rate of recommending medical transition because true gender dysphoria should still be exceedingly rare. But do they? I think a sign of a smart and careful parent would be to investigate the medical transition recommendation rates of these clinics

[aussenseiter]

we need government bans/limits on

(likewise, I don't think taxpayers should have to bear any burden (or increased insurance costs) to enable these people to get their hormones or whatever).

Is there a price point where the latter wrong would justify the former wrong?

[Origen]

How we gonna study long term effects of these drugs on kids if the therapy is banned?

If giving kids the drugs might harm them, but not giving them drugs definitely does harm them... why ban the therapies?

God I hate debate club shit

[Patriam1066]

Okay since I have to make this horse drink
From: https://www.ama-assn.org/press-center/press-releases/ama-states-stop-interfering-health-care-transgender-children

What, specifically, is wrong with this statement by the AMA? Remember to provide sources -those things at the bottom that cite papers and studies that are always absent from right wing youtube.

The AMA got cucked my man. They don’t even use STEP scores anymore

[Evia]

How we gonna study long term effects of these drugs on kids if the therapy is banned?

If giving kids the drugs might harm them, but not giving them drugs definitely does harm them... why ban the therapies?

God I hate debate club shit

Define "definitely does harm them" by not taking it?
How do we know this?
How do we know the medication isn't going to harm them more?
If it's going to have an impact on them for the rest of their lives, I'd argue that is the 'definitely does harm' category. Not the other way around.

[Origen]

The AMA got cucked my man. They don’t even use STEP scores anymoreI am very critical of the AMA, but it isn't on the subject of the actual medical advice they have to offer. I wouldn't know where to even start with that shit, and neither does Ooloo, as he demonstrated so expertly.

They limit the supply of doctors to control the healthcare market, but they've also saved bazillions of lives. It's a mixed bag.

[Origen]

Define "definitely does harm them" by not taking it?
How do we know this?
How do we know the medication isn't going to harm them more?
If it's going to have an impact on them for the rest of their lives, I'd argue that is the 'definitely does harm' category. Not the other way around.Well we're never gonna know if we don't conduct the long term studies Ooloo dishonestly hinted at, are we? Longest one I see is five years, but since he didn't say how long is long enough, who the hell knows! There go those goalposts again.

I take it you're gonna treat circumcision with the same bigoted vitriol as you do your anti-trans views from here on out :rolleyes:

[Botten]

Here's what's wrong with it: the studies are incredibly limited methodologically. They essentially ask people six months to a year after having treatment if they feel good about it, and unsurprisingly most respondents say "I sure do!". And then there is no follow up beyond that initial timeframe. The sample sizes are also absurdly small. You would need a drastically larger sample size, tracked over decades, to make any definitive proclamations about whether this actually helps people, because the outcomes are often permanent and irreversible. You also need to account for the data regarding regret and de-transition, and show that the benefits of transition outweigh the risks. As detailed here:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10027312/



Ok, Just read through the government study you linked.

The majority of the peer reviews are suggesting the study has flaws but the treatment resulted in less thoughts of suicide.

Not sure why you are dunking yourself.

Now, do you have any study to back up your claims?

I will save you the time.
You don't but you have opinions on it all that make you feel validated.

[Patriam1066]

Why has finland banned puberty blockers? Protestants invented science and thinking, it should concern you that they disagree with your position bud light Botten

[Botten]

Why has finland banned puberty blockers? Protestants invented science and thinking, it should concern you that they disagree with your position bud light Botten

It isn't banned -.- in Finland.

Recommendation of the Council for Choices in
Health Care in Finland (PALKO / COHERE
Finland) (https://genderreport.ca/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/Finland_Guidelines_Gender_Variance_In_Minors.pdf)

At a minimum, a consultation for a pre- pubescent child at the specialist setting at the TAYS includes an extensive assessment appointment costing EUR 369. If necessary, a day-long outpatient consultation can be arranged, costing EUR 1,408.

The consultation and assessment process for minors at the specialist settings of TAYS or HUS costs EUR 4,300. If it is determined that this process would be untimely, the minimum cost is EUR 640. An initial assessment / consultation by phone costs EUR 100.

The planning and monitoring costs for pubertal suppression are EUR 2,000 for the first year, and EUR 1,200 for subsequent years. The costs for the planning and monitoring of hormone treatments are a minimum of EUR 400 per year.

These costs do not take into account the additional costs of psychosocial support provided in the local level, the possible need for psychiatric treatment, or hormone treatment medication costs.

[Trexller]

bud light botten sure does love it when little boys act like little girls

the amount of effort to push the trans agenda from bud light botten is staggering

if he put half of that effort into his wife, she probably wouldn't cheat so much

[Lune]

What the fuck would any of you know-- you're not pediatricians, psychiatrists, or endocrinologists. This shit is between doctor and patient

"Hurr durr we shouldn't do trans aortic valve replacements on <55 y/o males with a history of PAD" that's what you sound like right now

[aussenseiter]

What the fuck would any of you know-- you're not pediatricians, psychiatrists, or endocrinologists. This shit is between doctor and patient

"Hurr durr we shouldn't do trans aortic valve replacements on <55 y/o males with a history of PAD" that's what you sound like right now

You're still pretending it's all clinical intersexuality.

That is not true.

[Lune]

You're still pretending it's all clinical intersexism.

It is not.

How do you get puberty blockers if not through a doctor?

[unsunghero]

What the fuck would any of you know-- you're not pediatricians, psychiatrists, or endocrinologists. This shit is between doctor and patient

"Hurr durr we shouldn't do trans aortic valve replacements on <55 y/o males with a history of PAD" that's what you sound like right now

Not a doctor but the idea that preventing the body from its natural process of development wouldn’t have ANY significant negative downstream effects is baffling to me

But hey, studies, yknow

Better hope you don’t change your mind about delaying puberty as a boy, or enjoy that micropenis for life?

[unsunghero]

“Not enough skin to be able to turn that dick into a vagina” = micropenis for life possibility?

Better hope you were sure of your decision…

[Lune]

Not a doctor but the idea that preventing the body from its natural process of development wouldn’t have ANY significant negative downstream effects is baffling to me

But hey, studies, yknow

Better hope you don’t change your mind about delaying puberty as a boy, or enjoy that micropenis for life?

It almost certainly has considerable negative downstream effects, but you have to compare those to the status quo without any intervention. Only a medical doctor is qualified to make that determination on an individual basis.

The more cruel among you can hate on queer people all you want, because that's the crux of all your arguments... concern trolling. You don't give a fuck about the welfare of queer children. You just hate them and want them to be like you. If you cared about the welfare of children you wouldn't be flooding society with guns to the extent you have three year olds doing mass shooting drills and locking children in cages n shit

[unsunghero]

It almost certainly has considerable negative downstream effects, but you have to compare those to the status quo without any intervention. Only a medical doctor is qualified to make that determination on an individual basis.

The more cruel among you can hate on queer people all you want, because that's the crux of all your arguments... concern trolling. You don't give a fuck about the welfare of queer children. You just hate them and want them to be like you.

Cruelty would be encouraging them to get them and then laughing at them when they don’t have the desired effect. Apathy would be just not giving a shit

Expressing concern for possible permanent side effects I don’t think qualifies as either

[aussenseiter]

How do you get puberty blockers if not through a doctor?

What do you mean? Every child that is getting puberty blockers is intersex?

Bold.

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[Lune]

Cruelty would be claiming that no child is suitable for puberty blockers without a medical degree.

[unsunghero]

What do you mean? Every child getting puberty blockers is intersex?

No, but they would have to be prescribed by a doctor and overseen by a doctor

[unsunghero]

Cruelty would be claiming that no child is suitable for puberty blockers without a medical degree.

How dare you express concern for me taking HGH

I’m trying to live my best life. I don’t need your concern trolling (I don’t really see it as such but I can see how someone who wants a reason to argue would)

I’m citing doctors, Mayo Clinic is considered one of the best hospitals in my state

[aussenseiter]

I’m citing doctors, Mayo Clinic is considered one of the best hospitals in my state

As we all know, consensus is a fact based exercise.

[Lune]

How dare you express concern for me taking HGH

I’m trying to live my best life. I don’t need your concern trolling (I don’t really see it as such but I can see how someone who wants a reason to argue would)

I’m citing doctors, Mayo Clinic is considered one of the best hospitals in my state

lol I was just informing you about some of the risks associated with HGH; go nuts.

You're citing the equivalent of WebMD which is medical topics for dummies and far from the body of professional knowledge required to actually be informed about this decision. There are tradeoffs, that's correct.

[unsunghero]

lol I was just informing you about some of the risks associated with HGH; go nuts.

You're citing the equivalent of WebMD which is medical topics for dummies and far from the body of professional knowledge required to actually be informed about this decision.

And you are an endocrinologist? Because it was an endo that prescribes the HGH. If we are going full on credentialism here

I don’t mind your advice, and I don’t care what your background is. It’s up to me ultimately to determine how I feel about the accuracy of the advice, not to whine about your intentions giving it or try to label it as “cruelty” because this needs to be about good vs evil in your limited worldview lol

[Lune]

And you are an endocrinologist? Because it was an endo that prescribes the HGH. If we are going full on credentialism here

I don’t mind your advice, and I don’t care what your background is. It’s up to me ultimately to determine how I feel about the accuracy of the advice, not to whine about your intentions giving it or try to label it as “cruelty” because this needs to be about good vs evil in your limited worldview lol

The part that's evil is the obvious seething hatred of queer people disguised as concern for children. Somehow I doubt the crowd dedicated to the slaughter of geriatrics during COVID gives a single fuck about protecting children, or anyone but themselves for that matter.

People are making the argument that kids should or shouldn't be taking puberty blockers. I'm noting that none of us have any fucking clue, me included. It should be between the child, their parent, and a doctor, just like your HGH should be between you and your doctor, not some person on the internet. An endocrinologist will likely have it dialed in to minimize side effects. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence (or expertise I suppose). I'm not telling you one way or the other with HGH, but this thread is full of people saying children should never get puberty blockers. Also I'm not a doctor but I do have a clinical doctorate.

[Elizondo]

Same degenerates that want to chemically castrate and mutilate children are triggered by a movie that exposes child sex trafficking

[Botten]

You're still pretending it's all clinical intersexuality.

That is not true.

While operation to better define one gender is performed at birth in the US.

Later in life the access to redefine this is still offered by discussion between patient and doctor.

Admittedly the general term intersex is used for a variety of situations in which a person is born with reproductive or sexual anatomy that doesn't fit the boxes of female or male.

But I fear there isn't a deeper meaning to this but more a misunderstanding of the term.

Furthermore a lot of these conservative voters are only mind numbingly parroting the rally calls to re-energize their most core base - Christianity. Conservative politician need a method to get the demoralized back to the poles this abysmal election period coming up.

If MAGA or the GOP for that matter truly wanted another candidate that had a chance to pick up the independents as they need another outsider (popular, rich, movie/TV star with less dirt).

*They could stick to exposing why Bernie was rejected by the DNC.
*They could stick to pushing the institute that created more of their voter base by promising even more incentives for signing up for military service. Not necessarily education since that may go against the grain but a larger signing bonus or even more of a pension (wouldn't need to follow through).
*They could promise even more avenues to get back to being the America they remember by severely promising larger grants to local small business startup.
*Promise to create a path to home ownership
etc...

Instead of attacking Latinos (Southern Border), Muslims (911), Asians (Covid), Blacks (BLM), Women (Abortion) and Trans (Pride Events).

Pushing way types of voters will just push the popular vote margin more in favor for democrats.

As CD288 said getting back to staple Republican values. The MAGA crowd is dwindling and those forum posters still preaching its ideals are just coming off crazy to independent voters they need.

[Lune]

Same degenerates that want to ... mutilate children are triggered by a movie that exposes child sex trafficking

Isn't that what circumcision is? Keep hating bro and you're gonna stroke out

[Botten]

Same degenerates that want to chemically castrate and mutilate children are triggered by a movie that exposes child sex trafficking

You still droning on about that fictitious fairy-tale?

Trust me you can find more of an outraging true story at your local Sunday school.

[aussenseiter]

I'm not telling you one way or the other with HGH, but this thread is full of people saying children should never get puberty blockers.

Intersex children should get puberty blockers, if they want them.

[aussenseiter]

*They could stick to exposing why Bernie was rejected by the DNC.

It's an idiotic claim and you're on Nirgon's side here.

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[Elizondo]

You still droning on about that fictitious fairy-tale?

Trust me you can find more of an outraging true story at your local Sunday school.

You're coping and seething so badly

It's glorious to behold

[Trexller]

While operation to better define one gender is performed at birth in the US.

Later in life the access to redefine this is still offered by discussion between patient and doctor.

Jeeeesus christ who gives a fuck

why are you people splitting hairs over nature's mistakes?

when a dog in the wild has a malformed offspring, she kills it.

nature knows it is not perfect, and how to deal with it's mistakes.

humans experience all manners of birth defects and malformed genitals are not any different.

[unsunghero]

I do personally vacillate on not only voicing concerns but caring at all on medical transitions for kids, especially when always attacked for doing so

It is a very effective tactic to motivate apathy. I won’t announce it, but many times I think “fuck them, and fuck their parents, if they want to potentially mess their kids up for life, I hope I will never have an opportunity to say ‘I told you so’”

But whether I am purely apathetic or not, never have my concerns changed for these procedures:

1. I think that parents, especially queer parents, can psychologically condition their kids to be confused about their gender. I have absolutely nothing against queer parents in any other regard as parents though, nor do I think the bulk of them do this. Even straight parents might have some muchausen by proxy shit going on, using their kid’s “disorders” to gain attention in their own lives. So the idea that “my parents agree with me on this” I cannot blindly support like a trained clapping seal

2. I don’t trust kids to have the maturity to make these decisions, if anything this is the most immature few generations of kids I’ve seen. Even 20-something’s nowadays strike me as very immature

3. I don’t trust these gender clinics. I think there is a financial motive here, in addition I think them being mostly staffed with queer staff creates a bias. I think the staff see medical transition and affirmation as the best possible outcome always, and look for ways to make the symptoms fit the diagnosis rather than looking for ways the thoughts and behaviors don’t fit. Like I said, I would LOVE to see the rates at which medical transition and affirmation are recommended. I bet it is way above 80% of clients, but of course with this being PHI we may never get this data


My concerns won’t change, but yea call me a bigot enough and it is effective at making me shut up about them and think “fuck them”

[Ekco]

fictitious fairy-tale?


Yes, there is a movie called Sound of Freedom which is based on a true story. It depicts the remarkable journey of Tim Ballard, a former Homeland Security agent, as he battles against human trafficking. His relentless pursuit of justice exposes the dark underbelly of this global crime, leaving an indelible impact on the fight for freedom1.

The movie tells viewers that it is based on a true story and concludes with a photo of the real Ballard (played in the film by Jim Caviezel). The film has garnered favorable reviews, landing a 78% on Rotten Tomatoes with an impressive 99% audience score.

i haven't seen it but that's a weird movie plot to have issue with

[aussenseiter]

Like I said, I would LOVE to see the rates at which medical transition and affirmation are recommended. I bet it is way above 80% of clients, but of course with this being PHI we may never get this data


My concerns won’t change, but yea call me a bigot enough and it is effective at making me shut up about them and think “fuck them”

I think one of the Youtube monsters had a staffer or guest who openly trolled and lied to a shrink he saw and they still said he should transition.

PJW comes to mind but I'll check around and make sure.

[Elizondo]

i haven't seen it but that's a weird movie plot to have issue with

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[aussenseiter]

Jeeeesus christ who gives a fuck

why are you people splitting hairs over nature's mistakes?

when a dog in the wild has a malformed offspring, she kills it.

nature knows it is not perfect, and how to deal with it's mistakes.

humans experience all manners of birth defects and malformed genitals are not any different.

The Tiger is gonna eat u bud. Come back to the village.

[Elizondo]

No doubt Botten was salivating and heating up the popcorn when Cuties came out

[Botten]

You're coping and seething so badly

It's glorious to behold

Who wrote the fiction best? Woke Barbie or Songs of Failed means to show how most minors are trafficked?

Guess go woke go broke isn't much of a show stopper when you make hand over fist over your Qanon loving fairy-tale competitor. :cool:

[unsunghero]

I think one of the Youtube monsters had a staffer or guest who openly trolled and lied to a shrink he saw and they still said he should transition.

PJW comes to mind but I'll check around and make sure.

Yea they did, a nurse signed off on testicular removal surgery despite the person deliberately listing reasons that would disqualify them from having gender dysphoria and verbally saying they don’t think they have it

I work in behavioral healthcare, I know how easy it is to make the documentation match the desired outcome, just omit certain things, emphasize others. Don’t even have to outright lie. And it will get past even an audit

[aussenseiter]

Yea they did, a nurse signed off on testicular removal surgery despite the person deliberately listing reasons that would disqualify them from having gender dysphoria and verbally saying they don’t think they have it

I work in behavioral healthcare, I know how easy it is to make the documentation match the desired outcome, just omit certain things, emphasize others. Don’t even have to outright lie. And it will get past even an audit

Hey thanks I could immediately tell that was gonna be impossible to search for and find again in the noise.

Curious!

[unsunghero]

Hey thanks I could immediately tell that was gonna be impossible to search for and find again in the noise.

Curious!

It was one of the biggest trans healthcare providers in the country if I recall, called Plume

“Re posed as a trans-identified patient who had experienced gender dysphoria before but not for six months or more. According to the current version of DSM-5, he shouldn’t be diagnosed with gender dysphoria. Plume quickly set up a virtual meeting with Re where he acknowledged he didn’t know the effects orchiectomy, a procedure to remove testicles, would have on him, and made clear that he didn’t consider himself gender dysphoric.

And yet, after a 22-minute video call with Plume, the provider sent Re a letter only three days later declaring that he “reports significant, ongoing gender dysphoria” and strongly recommends testicle removal. The letter explicitly mentioned that Re had met WPATH criteria for gender dysphoria and testicle removal”


And I imagine what they will do is use the nurse as a fall girl, reprimand or fire her, and claim this is not their standard procedure. And ultimately change nothing

[unsunghero]

And I don’t consider Plume’s intentions to be anything but trying to be helpful

It was just like when my dad wanted to go on TRT, his endo said “this is what you have to to tell me your symptoms are for me to sign you up for this”

The doctors want to give the patients what they want, with the least amount of hassle. They are trying to be helpful, not ruin their lives

[Patriam1066]

The part that's evil is the obvious seething hatred of queer people disguised as concern for children. Somehow I doubt the crowd dedicated to the slaughter of geriatrics during COVID gives a single fuck about protecting children, or anyone but themselves for that matter.

People are making the argument that kids should or shouldn't be taking puberty blockers. I'm noting that none of us have any fucking clue, me included. It should be between the child, their parent, and a doctor, just like your HGH should be between you and your doctor, not some person on the internet. An endocrinologist will likely have it dialed in to minimize side effects. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence (or expertise I suppose). I'm not telling you one way or the other with HGH, but this thread is full of people saying children should never get puberty blockers. Also I'm not a doctor but I do have a clinical doctorate.

You’re a physical therapist my man, Jesus Christ

Why would you have more expertise than Unsung on the mental health of children? He probably has as much insight as anyone except maybe teachers and psychiatrists

[unsunghero]

You’re a physical therapist my man, Jesus Christ

Why would you have more expertise than Unsung on the mental health of children? He probably has as much insight as anyone except maybe teachers and psychiatrists

I talk to kids all day in my job, but I am not licensed (but overseen by clinicians who are), don’t diagnose, and although I often work with trans kids, gender issues are something I have very little training or education in. So I’m not going to purport to be an expert here

I just know how easy it is to manipulate anyone’s, not just a kid’s chart, to match the desired outcome

Why would a particular outcome be desired? Well, that’s easy to answer: who are the stakeholders?

In my situation, I’m often requested by a school, whose psychologist or counselor perhaps has a particular outcome they’d like to see, almost always on maximum liability safety minded. The kid is a stakeholder, they have a potential desired outcome. And their parents are a stakeholder, with a desired outcome

And sometimes NONE of these desired outcomes match. And sometimes the clinician themselves might have a bias, because they don’t like how the parents treated them, or they are going over their allotted time on this situation and want to be done with it and home or off to the next one. Or all sorts of things

And based on everyone’s individual biases and outcomes, they’ll all be emphasizing certain symptoms and behaviors and minimizing others. It’s all incredibly malleable unfortunately

[unsunghero]

I think this isn’t some grand conspiracy though and just a societal “tell me what I want to hear, not what I need to hear” issue

Myself, if I went to a doctor and wanted a particular procedure, I don’t want to be grilled about why I might not need it. I want the doctor to STFU and sign off on the procedure I want. And if the doctor does without hassling me, I’m going to recommend that doctor to all my friends and family because he/she gave me what I want

Doctor makes money, patient is happy, win-win. Then as a queer clinician who believes affirmation as always going to result in a net positive result, a win-win-win scenario

So why the hassle? Why the grilling? Why deny people? That’s what worries me

[Landroval]

I think all the dysgenic morbidly obese should transition as soon as possible. If you're 12 with early onset diabetes, you, and your parents, should be forcibly spayed and neutered.

Also, if you're retarded enough to fall into the trans cult for perceived social benefits, you should be irreversibly transitioned before you can change your mind.

No refunds.

[Botten]

I think all the dysgenic morbidly obese should transition as soon as possible. If you're 12 with early onset diabetes, you, and your parents, should be forcibly spayed and neutered.

Also, if you're retarded enough to fall into the trans cult for perceived social benefits, you should be irreversibly transitioned before you can change your mind.

No refunds.

Angry about getting catfished by a female woodelf?

[Botten]

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[Landroval]

Angry about getting catfished by a female woodelf?

Nah. I support spaying and neutering people stupid enough to want it.

If you're not practicing Eugenics, you're practicing dysgenics.

[Lune]

You’re a physical therapist my man, Jesus Christ

Why would you have more expertise than Unsung on the mental health of children? He probably has as much insight as anyone except maybe teachers and psychiatrists

Where did I say I knew more about mental health of children? Here, underlined it for ya

People are making the argument that kids should or shouldn't be taking puberty blockers. I'm noting that none of us have any fucking clue, me included.

And yea, shit on my profession all you want, but I do know how to read and critically evaluate studies.

Unsunghero makes a good point about unethical doctors doing what his TRT doc does and just doing whatever the patient wants. Still, they are risking their license every time they do that, and it's better than politicians deciding not out of child welfare but concern trolling for votes and kulturkampf

[aussenseiter]

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It's in the context of Speaker McCarthy saying he's going to pointlessly impeach Biden.

Might as well pointlessly attempt to indict a sitting President. (cannot do)

[aussenseiter]

Holman rule? 🤔💭

[unsunghero]

Where did I say I knew more about mental health of children? Here, underlined it for ya



And yea, shit on my profession all you want, but I do know how to read and critically evaluate studies.

Unsunghero makes a good point about unethical doctors doing what his TRT doc does and just doing whatever the patient wants. Still, they are risking their license every time they do that, and it's better than politicians deciding not out of child welfare but concern trolling for votes and kulturkampf

Not just from dad’s experience, but from the entire fitness community, most TRT doctors take a very liberal standpoint on patient choice

The fact of the matter is these doctors know that if they don’t do it, the person is going to get what they want from an underground lab and not have their health markers monitored. So may as well be liberal with prescription and give them the benefit of council and oversight

Getting a script for TRT from any endo does NOT require a particular blood marker. All it requires is to rattle off a certain number of symptoms, such as low sex drive, mental fog, difficulty building muscle, fatigue, etc. That’s it. Symptoms that anyone can look up ahead of time and memorize

And you know what? I’m 100% in support of that. No TRT endo is going to lose their license just for being liberal with prescriptions. It will take something disastrous happening and a lawsuit as a result, and this will be on their own individual judgement and monitoring the situation. They can always choose to cut the patient off if their PSA scores too high, something like that

But these are ADULTS, making sometimes medically reckless adult decisions with doctor oversight

Not. Fuckin. Impressionable. Wanting to appease the adults. Children

That’s my concern. Not based in cruelty

[unsunghero]

When I say people want to be told what they want to hear, not what they need to hear, this still includes kids

In my job, many adolescents know what they need to say to go to a behavioral health hospital, especially ones that have been involved in outpatient services or been hospitalized before

You would think kids would fear these, hate them, etc, and many do. But some want to go for a completely inappropriate reason. But if they know what to say, that doesn’t matter. Not myself, not a licensed clinician, not a doctor can ignore the liability of NOT taking their words at face value

I’ve had kids say they are suicidal and need to go to the hospital because last time a year ago they met a boy named Jacob they liked and maybe Jacob will be there again. Or they don’t want to go to school for a week. Or they think if they go to the hospital enough, their CPS case manager will change their placement. Or the court will say they can go live with mom full time

I’ve heard every reason under the sun from kids too dumb to realize you shouldn’t give away your inappropriate reason for needing to go. If they drop enough threats every professional will sign off on it

How does gender dysphoria differ again? From what I know, it’s a KID’s DESCRIPTION of a list of symptoms. All assuming trust, assuming the kid is telling the truth, and doesn’t have any exterior motives or influences

I dunno, I personally don’t think them having more time with the client and credentials than me ups my trust in that system

[unsunghero]

^
Which interestingly enough, one of the risk factors in not appeasing the kid’s clinically inappropriate reason for going to the hospital, is that some kids WILL do something to show the professionals or parents they mean business. It’s usually casually referred to as upping the ante

Which is the kid’s manipulating the system with their suicidality. See how murky this shit gets in this field?

[unsunghero]

I’ve seen kids put on Zyprexa, about as hard of antipsychotic as it gets nowadays, something I’ve ONLY ever seen prescribed to seriously mentally ill status adults

All because the kid always reported “hearing voices”. I can’t rattle off every positive and negative symptom of schizophrenia, but I can guarantee based on seeing none and being able to trust one’s gut after 15yrs and the extreme rarity of that diagnosis in kids, that this kid was not hallucinating

But they put the kid(‘s, I’ve seen more than 1 now) on Zyprexa…

[Ekco]

I’ve seen kids put on Zyprexa, about as hard of antipsychotic as it gets nowadays

going off these libs of tik tok compilations they should probably just start adding that stuff to the water supply.

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[Botten]

going off these libs of tik tok compilations they should probably just start adding that stuff to the water supply.

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There wasn’t a single trans minor in your video. They were all adults. I have watched more disturbing MAGA supporters explaining their manifestos errr I mean patriotic rally calls for change or else; those lone wolves… are mortally frightening.

[Ekco]

I have watched more disturbing MAGA supporters explaining their manifestos

it's more rare, i can only think of that dude yelling for trump to come save him before cops break his car windows out video off the top of my head but there is hours and hours of this shit from tiktok

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[Origen]

https://time.com/6289609/vanderbilt-transgender-records-patients-backlash/

The fascists are compiling their target lists while intimidating potential patients at other hospitals. Never let a rightoid tell you they are "small government", they're lying

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

No, see, the limitless arrogance of the online rightoid means that they know more about oceanography than oceanographers. Especially when their conclusions disagree with their personal observations at Wal-Mart

On a side note, I took a class on oceanography to fill a requirement in college.

I will testify!

You think you are just going to study the oceans, then you realize the textbook also covers tides, and then, the entire second half of the textbook is about ocean/atmosphere interactions, and long-term structures of the atmosphere thatmirror in different ways the ocean stuff...

Best non-major class ever. Oceanography. It still blows my mind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XIQR4p30Wo
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The Earth is getting warmer, weather patterns are getting stranger, floods will increase, tides will get worse, some island countries need to figure things out.

And the chuckleheads will say "hoax!"

Induction is a bitch.

[magnetaress]

https://time.com/6289609/vanderbilt-transgender-records-patients-backlash/

The fascists are compiling their target lists while intimidating potential patients at other hospitals. Never let a rightoid tell you they are "small government", they're lying

I don't know what kind of law binds the state criminal justice system but if the AG made a list and gave it out. There could be consequences for that. Like it has to remain a part of the investigation. Same if someone working on the case leaked stuff. I don't say it doesn't or won't happen...but a real lawyer i think would be more careful with that information.

Anyway I keep telling people not to tell doctors they are LGBTQ anything because it's likely to just get you discrimination at least among insurers and other ppl who aren't so high up the food chain.

It's 100% best just to be 1) rich 2) stay in the closet. If you're rich you don't need to worry about it you can just buy a brand new identity from wherever and get a free visa and become a European immigrant actor.

[magnetaress]

When I say people want to be told what they want to hear, not what they need to hear, this still includes kids

In my job, many adolescents know what they need to say to go to a behavioral health hospital, especially ones that have been involved in outpatient services or been hospitalized before

You would think kids would fear these, hate them, etc, and many do. But some want to go for a completely inappropriate reason. But if they know what to say, that doesn’t matter. Not myself, not a licensed clinician, not a doctor can ignore the liability of NOT taking their words at face value

I’ve had kids say they are suicidal and need to go to the hospital because last time a year ago they met a boy named Jacob they liked and maybe Jacob will be there again. Or they don’t want to go to school for a week. Or they think if they go to the hospital enough, their CPS case manager will change their placement. Or the court will say they can go live with mom full time

I’ve heard every reason under the sun from kids too dumb to realize you shouldn’t give away your inappropriate reason for needing to go. If they drop enough threats every professional will sign off on it

How does gender dysphoria differ again? From what I know, it’s a KID’s DESCRIPTION of a list of symptoms. All assuming trust, assuming the kid is telling the truth, and doesn’t have any exterior motives or influences

I dunno, I personally don’t think them having more time with the client and credentials than me ups my trust in that system

So that kid that wants to go back to hang out with Jacob.

That kid needs to be taken away from their shitty parents and put in the military. Their parents need to be mulched into soylent.

If the kid can't make it through basic because they don't have what it takes to follow orders and survive. Jail or mulch em. If the kid has physical disabilities they belong in a facility where they are cared for but not pampered. Like no Xbox all the time. Even disabled ppl need some way to fight and work for something or something they can do. Otherwise they will just go insane like a normal person and have a shitty life. Like being challenged. If the best they can do is work at a memory card game for (healthy treats or access to a favorite stuffed animal) they need that adversity and stimulus.

Anyway.

G-d bless u for what you see and do. Having been in and outa psychwards I see what goes on with the patients and facilities. They also just shove ppl infront of TVs which isn't super great.

[magnetaress]

Also the problem with society isn't peoples opinions it's an outright lack of empathy and respect for even people you hate and disagree with.

Seek Christ ✝️

[Botten]

it's more rare, i can only think of that dude yelling for trump to come save him before cops break his car windows out video off the top of my head but there is hours and hours of this shit from tiktok

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Again all adults except a 4 year old who could be pretending to be a girl. And there was a boy dancing on stage but it was meant to be funny.

Kids in the 80s would put lipstick on, dress in blouses, painted nails and had long hair worshiping their favorite glamor band.

Hell, the artist Prince had so many pronouns but suddenly GOP voters are now outraged over those dressing drag queens??? Can you say GoP politicians are simply re-energizing Christian core values to rave up their core base in what would be normally a demoralizing upcoming election period?

You said you saw one MAGA crazy on Tiktok? I saw tons of them daring the nation to keep Biden and try to take their guns away.

[aussenseiter]

https://time.com/6289609/vanderbilt-transgender-records-patients-backlash/

The fascists are compiling their target lists while intimidating potential patients at other hospitals. Never let a rightoid tell you they are "small government", they're lying

VUMC spokesperson John Howser said Tuesday that it’s common for health systems to get such requests in billing probes and audits (https://apnews.com/article/tennessee-transgender-patient-records-vanderbilt-f188c6c0c9714575554867b4541141dd)

[Botten]

VUMC spokesperson John Howser said Tuesday that it’s common for health systems to get such requests in billing probes and audits (https://apnews.com/article/tennessee-transgender-patient-records-vanderbilt-f188c6c0c9714575554867b4541141dd)

Read the article. Don't we dox 16 year olds to help them feel safe when the gun enthusiasts storm their home or place of business demanding to save the trafficked children hidden in their dungeon?

[aussenseiter]

Read the article. Don't we dox 16 year olds to help them feel safe when the gun enthusiasts storm their home or place of business demanding to save the trafficked children hidden in their dungeon?

That is technically a sentence but I can't parse its meaning.

[Elizondo]

Low T Beta Feminists all super excited over the Barbie movie

Pure Comedy

[Botten]

Low T Beta Feminists all super excited over the Barbie movie

Pure Comedy

Did you notice this when you looked around in the theatre?
Did you didn't have your proverbial tube of apple flavored horse paste again? Did you?

[Origen]

On a side note, I took a class on oceanography to fill a requirement in college.

I will testify!

You think you are just going to study the oceans, then you realize the textbook also covers tides, and then, the entire second half of the textbook is about ocean/atmosphere interactions, and long-term structures of the atmosphere thatmirror in different ways the ocean stuff...

Best non-major class ever. Oceanography. It still blows my mind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XIQR4p30Wo
6XIQR4p30Wo

The Earth is getting warmer, weather patterns are getting stranger, floods will increase, tides will get worse, some island countries need to figure things out.

And the chuckleheads will say "hoax!"

Induction is a bitch.My favorite was Historical Geology. Fascinating class. Geology in the context of the evolution of mostly plant life.

VUMC spokesperson John Howser said Tuesday that it’s common for health systems to get such requests in billing probes and audits (https://apnews.com/article/tennessee-transgender-patient-records-vanderbilt-f188c6c0c9714575554867b4541141dd)Yeah, the fascist law puts hospitals in a pickle. I am not pleased they went that route, but I am sure whatever authorities would fuck with their license to practice medicine if they'd held out. So then the admins get to choose between privacy for one set of patients or the ability to help the majority, basically.

Disgusting move by the fascist right.

[Origen]

Did you notice this when you looked around in the theatre?No, he was too busy looking for his date (because she doesn't exist, as he is an adult virgin)

[aussenseiter]

Yeah, the fascist law puts hospitals in a pickle. I am not pleased they went that route, but I am sure whatever authorities would fuck with their license to practice medicine if they'd held out. So then the admins get to choose between privacy for one set of patients or the ability to help the majority, basically.

Disgusting move by the fascist right.

Vanderbilt is private.

They're suing a corporation for complying with state law.

The attorney general’s office made the requests several months after conservative commentator Matt Walsh surfaced videos last September that include a medical center doctor saying gender-affirming procedures are “huge money makers” for hospitals.

Audit exemptions for none.

[Botten]

That is technically a sentence but I can't parse its meaning.

The sentence was checked over by Samuel L. Jackson.

Now say what again!

One of my favorites -
cBw0c-cmOfc

[Origen]

I hope they win, but I wouldn't hold my breath in this biased legal system we have. Not unless they are all rich, white conservatives, and that seems doubtful.

Ooloo also tries to get at me by using my disdain for capitalist healthcare in this context, but I know he's just desperate for anything that resembles purchase. I can see where he gets it. Walsh's audience doesn't give a shit about the profitability, they care that people different than them are suffering.

[aussenseiter]

I hope they win, but I wouldn't hold my breath in this biased legal system we have. Not unless they are all rich, white conservatives, and that seems doubtful.

Ooloo also tries to get at me by using my disdain for capitalist healthcare in this context, but I know he's just desperate for anything that resembles purchase. I can see where he gets it. Walsh's audience doesn't give a shit about the profitability, they care that people different than them are suffering.

What would winning look like? Is it a bit of dosh or is it an injunction halting the audit?

[Origen]

What would winning look like? Is it a bit of dosh or is it an injunction halting the audit?Getting bazillions of dollars so they can afford to go to a country or state not run by uninformed fascists and get the treatment they need (that was presumably reccomended by a doctor, until right wingers decided they are the experts on medical procedures out of their overwhelming arrogance)

That or drowning hospitals in lawsuits until the idiot lawmakers can do nothing but ram through universal healthcare, as none of them are solvent, but they probably won't do that until these kind of problems have reached the ivory towers. Sorta like rural hospitals are doing in a lot of counties.

I don't know what dosh means.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I don't know what dosh means.

ULeDlxa3gyc

[aussenseiter]

Getting bazillions of dollars so they can afford to go to a country or state not run by uninformed fascists and get the treatment they need (that was presumably reccomended by a doctor, until right wingers decided they are the experts on medical procedures out of their overwhelming arrogance)

That's called a kickback. 🤑

[unsunghero]

going off these libs of tik tok compilations they should probably just start adding that stuff to the water supply.


From talking to trans kids, I’ve never once met one who said something like “I’ve always felt like I was a girl. Oh is that called ‘trans’? I’ve never heard of that”

I’ve also never once heard one say “my teacher is trans or told me what trans is and now I think I’m that”. Not once

They ALWAYS hear about being trans from either a friend who is, often a friend they want to identify with and have a stronger bond with (which peer pressures them into thinking maybe they should be trans too), or from online

We have to hope that the clinicians are able to sus this stuff and not put kids on life changing medications recklessly, but I would rather them be evaluated by a non-queer clinician (which could be the case). I understand that being a queer clinician could be the only way to get a subsection of kids to engage with counseling at all, and it’s amazing for rapport building (although we are taught NOT to share personal info about ourselves to clients, that’s always been a big no no unless one works in substance abuse peer support as a former addict). But I just don’t trust a queer clinician to not have a bias and be pushing for that affirmation result

[Origen]

That's called a kickback. 🤑Money doesn't bring a kid who has committed suicide back to life, as the goal of the anti-trans agenda is to exterminate all trans people by whatever means are available

They'd have already built camps for that purpose if we didn't all have cameras in our pockets these days

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

I’ve seen kids put on Zyprexa...
https://images.genius.com/cec301deb4b21a711a90b85bec0163bd.500x223x11.gif

This is why I am a technological determinist. Everyone here is arguing about decisions and consequences and "making the wrong choice."

Human history is the story of a species that has continuously chased the tail of its own inventions, dealing both with their intended and unintended consequences.

A technological determinist is baffled that people on a roller coaster argue about how the roller coaster needs to go this way, or it needs to not be built, or some people need to be careful. And surely there is an age limit!

Things make sense when you realize human evolution has always been a giant game of technological crack the whip. We're just passengers on a very risky ride, that involves technological hurdles not all species [edit: or individuals] pass. We are doing fairly well, all things considered.

EDIT: Unless you think "Must preserve the gender binary!" as the Prime Directive. Yeah, Dios mio man, this world is gonna fuck you up!

[aussenseiter]

Money doesn't bring a kid who has committed suicide back to life, as the goal of the anti-trans agenda is to exterminate all trans people by whatever means are available

They'd have already built camps for that purpose if we didn't all have cameras in our pockets these days

https://i.imgur.com/8ZCUmcI.png

[Landroval]

I hope they win, but I wouldn't hold my breath in this biased legal system we have. Not unless they are all rich, white conservatives, and that seems doubtful.

Ooloo also tries to get at me by using my disdain for capitalist healthcare in this context, but I know he's just desperate for anything that resembles purchase. I can see where he gets it. Walsh's audience doesn't give a shit about the profitability, they care that people different than them are suffering.
Rich Jewish conservatives. There you go with your antisemitism again, painting them as white so you can be a bigot

[Origen]

Use the word you really want to use, fascist, so I can get you banned again

[Landroval]

Get neutered

[Origen]

Lmao He's still butthurt got his previous account banned, this is probably that guy who liked to post rocket launch images because he hates gay people so much

[Landroval]

Don't hate gay people, just want you to get castrated like the children you want to support castrating. It's not harmful to castrate someone when they're a retarded teenager, remember?

[Origen]

Yep

Butthurt about his elf pixel account.

[Evia]

God you're so cool

[Origen]

God is great, it's true, but God is obviously a leftist so that checks out

[Ripp]

Low T Beta Feminists all super excited over the Barbie movie

Pure Comedy

Imagine when these demons finally legalize pedo and make movies. These freaks will be fighting to get inside so they can make sticky floors.

Evil, disgusting demons disguised as Liberals.

[unsunghero]

Imagine when these demons finally legalize pedo and make movies. These freaks will be fighting to get inside so they can make sticky floors.

Evil, disgusting demons disguised as Liberals.

Was pretty fucked that some of the vocal critics of sound of freedom also happened to defend the movie Cuties

Cuties: “We’re Going to Fight the Sexualization of Children by Showing Actual Children Being Sexualized But this Movie is for Plebs not Pedos We Promise”

[Ripp]

hYmk_8IDC4A

What a shocker. The sheeple need new marching orders. Get your black outfits and firebombs ready!

Dance sheeple! DANCE! :D

[unsunghero]

Was pretty fucked that some of the vocal critics of sound of freedom also happened to defend the movie Cuties

Cuties: “We’re Going to Fight the Sexualization of Children by Showing Actual Children Being Sexualized But this Movie is for Plebs not Pedos We Promise”

^
Same kinda people who watch anime and think “she’s drawn to look like a 12yr old but she’s really a 1000yr old vampire so it’s ok to fap to this”

[Botten]

Low T Beta Feminists all super excited over the Barbie movie

Pure Comedy

Imagine when these demons finally legalize pedo and make movies. These freaks will be fighting to get inside so they can make sticky floors.

Evil, disgusting demons disguised as Liberals.

Republican's coming out of woke Barbie be afraid they will be soon dancing:

ah-i6r_PwTU

[arvidez]

the kids you guys are worried about are necessary sacrifices for medical advancement. right spinegobbler? our generation's flipper babies someone here once called them.

to some life's the play, to others it's the player. medicine is about the play.

what does god think, oriken?

[aussenseiter]

hYmk_8IDC4A

What a shocker. The sheeple need new marching orders. Get your black outfits and firebombs ready!

Dance sheeple! DANCE! :D

Why is Britain?

[Botten]

the kids you guys are worried about are necessary sacrifices for medical advancement. …

Remember when that Republican politician basically said for the rights to bare arms will require children to endear more school shootings.

[unsunghero]

“Black people in the ghetto need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and try to become self-sufficient”

Black dude tries to become a entrepreneur small business owner and…

And…

[Origen]

Was pretty fucked that some of the vocal critics of sound of freedom also happened to defend the movie Cuties

Cuties: “We’re Going to Fight the Sexualization of Children by Showing Actual Children Being Sexualized But this Movie is for Plebs not Pedos We Promise”Which critics?

I can see getting worked up over Cuties, that movie was fucked up, but Sound of Freedom was a c-grade direct to dvd movie at best. Shoulda cast Scott Adkins instead of Jim Caveziel

[aussenseiter]

Shuhada' Davitt died

[unsunghero]

Which critics?

I can see getting worked up over Cuties, that movie was fucked up, but Sound of Freedom was a c-grade direct to dvd movie at best. Shoulda cast Scott Adkins instead of Jim Caveziel

Think one was the dude who wrote for Bloomberg who attacked sound of freedom and has a background of pushing for pedos to be called minor attracted persons and not antagonized or something

Guarantee that guy is on FBI’s watchlist and the only thing preventing his ass from getting raided is being a Dem. Wouldn’t be surprised if he wears out his good graces tho

[Origen]

It's just wealth and influence, not party affiliation, but that's fine, do propaganda on the elf forum on behalf of the pedophiles if you must

Shuhada' Davitt diedRIP to the world's third most crazy Catholic

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

There is a rule that threads that spiral into arguments about children and sex gradually become indistinguishable from well-known roleplaying tropes of actual child pronography.

The smart web entrepreneur, like the mods here, realize this market, and that is why there is a mirror site for p99, on the Dark Web, but it's the same threads. The only diff is this site is free. But there are people like me, from Chile, where there is very little community like this. I gladly use the pay site, since that guarantees the government cannot jail me. I love America's first amendment!

Hint :Ooloo is an employee at the internet cafe I use. He delivers, amirite?

[aussenseiter]

RIP to the world's third most crazy Catholic

She said 'sike, I was Muslim the whole time guys' and I feel we should respect her identity.

[Ekco]

cspan is lit today.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1684250777915904000

never forget, the arecibo collapsing was an inside job.

[Lune]

hYmk_8IDC4A

What a shocker. The sheeple need new marching orders. Get your black outfits and firebombs ready!

Dance sheeple! DANCE! :D

I work with nurses. I hate that profession with a passion-- most of them are catty, incompetent bitches with an extreme sense of unwarranted self-importance who try to steal the spotlight from the MD's that actually do all the tough work. A few good ones here and there, mainly in the ICU or surgery.

Care devolution to NP's and PA's is a catastrophe on a scale few people realize, as well. Thanks insurance companies.

[Lune]

https://images.genius.com/cec301deb4b21a711a90b85bec0163bd.500x223x11.gif

This is why I am a technological determinist. Everyone here is arguing about decisions and consequences and "making the wrong choice."

Human history is the story of a species that has continuously chased the tail of its own inventions, dealing both with their intended and unintended consequences.

A technological determinist is baffled that people on a roller coaster argue about how the roller coaster needs to go this way, or it needs to not be built, or some people need to be careful. And surely there is an age limit!

Things make sense when you realize human evolution has always been a giant game of technological crack the whip. We're just passengers on a very risky ride, that involves technological hurdles not all species [edit: or individuals] pass. We are doing fairly well, all things considered.

EDIT: Unless you think "Must preserve the gender binary!" as the Prime Directive. Yeah, Dios mio man, this world is gonna fuck you up!

https://i.imgur.com/fe0wAPo.gif

[Patriam1066]

I work with nurses. I hate that profession with a passion-- most of them are catty, incompetent bitches with an extreme sense of unwarranted self-importance who try to steal the spotlight from the MD's that actually do all the tough work. A few good ones here and there, mainly in the ICU or surgery.

Care devolution to NP's and PA's is a catastrophe on a scale few people realize, as well. Thanks insurance companies.

That was always going to be the case. America is a nation of lard asses trying very hard to be unhealthy in every possible way. We’re going to need a 1:1 ratio of doctors to patients soon enough at this rate. The police should carry Ozempic and stab it into the quads of the obese and call it preventive medicine

[Elizondo]

Jesus wasn't a Socialist

He actually fed people

[Origen]

How was your date, Elizondo?

[unsunghero]

I work with nurses. I hate that profession with a passion-- most of them are catty, incompetent bitches with an extreme sense of unwarranted self-importance who try to steal the spotlight from the MD's that actually do all the tough work. A few good ones here and there, mainly in the ICU or surgery.

Care devolution to NP's and PA's is a catastrophe on a scale few people realize, as well. Thanks insurance companies.

I've actually had very bad experiences with Doctors (all except my asian elbow doc/surgeon)

Almost all that I've met have been extremely short with me, horrible bedside manners, condescending, uncaring, douchebags

When I had the nerve conductor test done for my displaced ulnar nerve the doctor said he didn't want any yelling, swearing, or crying, and I laughed, assuming he was joking. But he stared me deadass in the face, and I just shut up and asked "so is this going to hurt?" And he said "Yes, that's why I said no yelling,swearing, or crying?" with a sarcastic asshole tone. And because I'm polite, I DIDN'T say "hey man, I'm the fucking customer here, so if you electrocute the shit out of me and I happen to hollar out in pain and you don't like it, you can go ahead jump out that 3rd floor window right there". I already HATE being electrocuted, which has happened multiple times as a kid

Then when I had the elbow surgery, my nice elbow dr was reminding me that my hand muscle atrophy was permanent, and I continued to deny it saying "nah, building muscle is what I specialize in, I bet I can build it back". And my Anesthesiologist looked at the elbow doctor, and without a hint of mirth said "wow, looks like Denial isn't just a river in Egypt huh?". And I wanted to say "wow, so you're kind of a cunt, huh?"

And guess what? I DID build the hand muscle back, almost completely all the way. I wanted to go to the Anesthesiologist's practice and say "too bad we didn't make a bet that if I grew the muscle back I could demonstrate it with a backhand slap"

Other times doctors have made me sit on my ass in the patient room for more than 2 hours past my appointment time, only to ignore most of my questions, say they don't know what is going on medically with my symptoms, and charge me $250

F most doctors, man

[Origen]

We had positive experiences with most of the nurses and doctors in our year in and out of the hospital, but we got about one thousandth of the time with an MD as we did with nurses and PAs. The docs always had a gazillion patients and near-zero time to spend with any of them. It's great having to take extra days off of work because the doctor has to play golf, but whatever. Everyone needs a break

The bills are pretty fucking ridiculous. I don't blame the medicine for that shit, though. I blame for-profit insurance companies, the half-assed ACA making all of it worse, and the basic principles of capitalism being applied to something it should not apply to

[Lune]

I've actually had very bad experiences with Doctors (all except my asian elbow doc/surgeon)

Almost all that I've met have been extremely short with me, horrible bedside manners, condescending, uncaring, douchebags

When I had the nerve conductor test done for my displaced ulnar nerve the doctor said he didn't want any yelling, swearing, or crying, and I laughed, assuming he was joking. But he stared me deadass in the face, and I just shut up and asked "so is this going to hurt?" And he said "Yes, that's why I said no yelling,swearing, or crying?" with a sarcastic asshole tone. And because I'm polite, I DIDN'T say "hey man, I'm the fucking customer here, so if you electrocute the shit out of me and I happen to hollar out in pain and you don't like it, you can go ahead jump out that 3rd floor window right there". I already HATE being electrocuted, which has happened multiple times as a kid

Then when I had the elbow surgery, my nice elbow dr was reminding me that my hand muscle atrophy was permanent, and I continued to deny it saying "nah, building muscle is what I specialize in, I bet I can build it back". And my Anesthesiologist looked at the elbow doctor, and without a hint of mirth said "wow, looks like Denial isn't just a river in Egypt huh?". And I wanted to say "wow, so you're kind of a cunt, huh?"

And guess what? I DID build the hand muscle back, almost completely all the way. I wanted to go to the Anesthesiologist's practice and say "too bad we didn't make a bet that if I grew the muscle back I could demonstrate it with a backhand slap"

Other times doctors have made me sit on my ass in the patient room for more than 2 hours past my appointment time, only to ignore most of my questions, say they don't know what is going on medically with my symptoms, and charge me $250

F most doctors, man

Man that sucks, sorry you had a bad experience. Though in the scope of what an MD does, especially an orthopedist or anesthesiologist, bedside manner is just one small part. Trust me when I say you want a doctor who knows their shit and is effective, because it's a profession where knowledge and scientific competency has a direct effect on your clinical trajectory. The doctor who is going to fix your shit is not necessarily the same doctor who is going to be ginger and friendly with you, sometimes.

Though treating patients with a fundamental respect and kindness is absolutely bread and butter for good care, and even produces superior and objectively measurable, clinically significant outcomes. I once had a dermatologist spend all of 45 seconds in the room with me, Friday at 4:00.

Glad you recovered your ulnar nerve musculature, that doesn't always happen.

We had positive experiences with most of the nurses and doctors in our year in and out of the hospital, but we got about one thousandth of the time with an MD as we did with nurses and PAs. The docs always had a gazillion patients and near-zero time to spend with any of them. It's great having to take extra days off of work because the doctor has to play golf, but whatever. Everyone needs a break

The bills are pretty fucking ridiculous. I don't blame the medicine for that shit, though. I blame for-profit insurance companies, the half-assed ACA making all of it worse, and the basic principles of capitalism being applied to something it should not apply to

The shit HMO/PPO's like Humana and UHC are getting away with as Medicare supplemental plans is downright criminal, and they have paid billions in fines to the federal government. Cost of doing business because their ripping off retirees is so profitable they just pay the fines, settle the suits, and keep grifting. If you have any elderly family, make sure they're not on that shit. Healthcare is fucking horrible in this country unless you're well-connected.

[Elizondo]

Low T Beta Feminist with extreme Gynecomastia still raging

[unsunghero]

extreme Gynecomastia

40mg/day for the first 2 weeks

20mg/day for the next 3-4 weeks

Will wipe that shit right out, no surgery needed. Tell your friends if they have it

[aussenseiter]

Ron DeSoros’s Reckless Embrace of RFK Jr. (https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/ron-desantiss-reckless-embrace-of-rfk-jr/)

[Botten]

Jesus wasn't a Socialist

He actually fed people

He was also made up like your favorite fairy tale movie :D

[unsunghero]

We hate half the country because we think they hate the marginalized

[unsunghero]

At least he has a job now, I hear that’s part of his probation

[unsunghero]

Boomer memes

[unsunghero]

Kamala wisdom maxed at 255

[unsunghero]

Both still gonna result in molestation

Baddum dum dum!

I’ll see myself out

[unsunghero]

Greta disapproves of you being too batshit crazy on meth to care about climate

Not all poor are filthy, I’ve seen some relatively tidy slums in India and Phillipines documentaries

American poor though, fookin gross

[aussenseiter]

Go back to meme thread you cannot enter here

[Elizondo]

He was also made up like your favorite fairy tale movie :D

Bro you're a total degenerate that wants to mutilate little kids

Nobody cares about your opinion

hth

[Trexller]

Go back to meme thread you cannot enter here

reviewed and overridden

carry on, Unsunghero, for one day the bards will sing of your heroics.

https://i.imgur.com/jXgsW2X.jpg

[unsunghero]

Go back to meme thread you cannot enter here

Ehh too political for there

[unsunghero]

reviewed and overridden

carry on, Unsunghero, for one day the bards will sing of your heroics.

[Origen]

Low T Beta Feminist with extreme Gynecomastia still ragingCheck it out, the adult virgin learned a new word but still avoids the subject of dating, hehe.

[Botten]

Bro you're a total degenerate that wants to mutilate little kids

Nobody cares about your opinion

hth

Says the guys celebrating the passing of Sinéad O'Connor over her disrespect to Christianity. How dare she protest on stage; about the state of child abuse in Christian churches and schools.

Can we make a second film already?!?

"The Songs of Failure to tell the Truth!" - The real non-fictional threat at home!


.

[Elizondo]

Says the guys celebrating the passing of Sinéad O'Connor over her disrespect to Christianity. How dare she protest on stage; about the state of child abuse in Christian churches and schools.

Can we make a second film already?!?

"The Songs of Failure to tell the Truth!" - The real non-fictional threat at home!


.

I didn't post anything about Sinead O'Connor and I genuinely don't care

You are mentally ill

Check it out, the adult virgin learned a new word but still avoids the subject of dating, hehe.

Low T Beta Feminist with extreme Gynecomastia still raging

[Landroval]

Actually, I'm transvaxxed

[aussenseiter]

Says the guys celebrating the passing of Sinéad O'Connor over her disrespect to Christianity. How dare she protest on stage; about the state of child abuse in Christian churches and schools.

I'm not celebrating her death, but it is funny that she became Muslim after all that.

[Botten]

I didn't post anything about Sinead O'Connor...

So you do condemn the Christian church in agreeance with her?

.

[aussenseiter]

So you do condemn the Christian church in agreeance with her?

.

He didn't say anything about it at all.

Talk to me, big boy.

[Landroval]

It's more of a case of homos within the church molesting fledgling homos. Hope this helps

[aussenseiter]

It's more of a case of homos within the church molesting fledgling homos. Hope this helps

It's weird that she could do that on live TV in 1992 and somehow priests were and are still constantly molesting to this day.

[Landroval]

No it's not. The priest molesting children and the whores criticizing the church for it are on the same side. Neither one of them are following the Lord.

[Botten]

He didn't say anything about it at all.

Talk to me, big boy.

Setup string together... and you know dis!

[Botten]

No it's not. The priest molesting children and the whores criticizing the church for it are on the same side. Neither one of them are following the Lord.

So you are equating those Christian priests who molest children to those that sell their bodies for a lively hood? Yeah no, the priests are a lot worse.


.

[MrSparkle001]

I'm not celebrating her death, but it is funny that she became Muslim after all that.

She was a mental case. All the atheist weirdos on Imgur are celebrating her like some visionary icon was lost, when it was just crazy hypocrite Sinead O'Connor.

[Origen]

I thought I would offer up my vast experiences with succesful dating along with the other forums expert, Elizondo. He and I have agreed to put aside our differences and share our combined expertise with those seeking the advice of accomplished males.

My qualifications are that I haven't spent a day single since I was probably fourteen.

I will let Elizondo explain his qualifications.

[unsunghero]

And here I thought all journalists were actually activists with the intent of saving humanity for the democrats

How could such a good hearted being do such a thing. Busted by the Human Trafficking Task Force

[unsunghero]

^
“Rolling Stone tried to cover up for James Gordon Meek, but it looks like he may finally be brought to justice”

- Rolling Propaganda tried to cover for a pedo? Color me shocked!

[Landroval]

So you are equating those Christian priests who molest children to those that sell their bodies for a lively hood? Yeah no, the priests are a lot worse.


.

Nope. Quit being a retard.

[Botten]

Nope. Quit being a retard.

Glad you retracted your statement and molesting Christian priests are a problem they still haven't gotten rid of.

Gross, want to preach more?

.

[Origen]

Glad you retracted your statement and molesting Christian priests are a problem they still haven't gotten rid of.

Gross, want to preach more?

.They're up to part 41 now in the ever-growing list of right wing sex predators, pedophiles, rapists and so on. I am sure the reactionaries here will flail to throw cold water on this kind of thing, but facts don't care about your feelings, fellas.

Yes, there's probably a similar list somewhere for Democrats but they're also conservatives so NYEH

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/3/12/2157746/-Republican-Sexual-Predators-Abusers-and-Enablers-Pt-1

[Botten]

And here I thought all journalists were actually activists with the intent of saving humanity for the democrats

How could such a good hearted being do such a thing. Busted by the Human Trafficking Task Force

Almost as bad as members of a group reportedly trying to save abused children - having disgusting problems on the set of their movies.

cuxB_DtSQPM

[Landroval]

Glad you retracted your statement and molesting Christian priests are a problem they still haven't gotten rid of.

Gross, want to preach more?

.
Actually, I'm transvaxxed, so let me tell you what being vaxxed means.

[Landroval]

So..what you're saying is....

[Ooloo]

Almost as bad as members of a group reportedly trying to save abused children - having disgusting problems on the set of their movies.


lol youtube channel with 1k subs, boy this sure does check out!

it's not like libs are horny to smear this guy for some unfathomably dumb reason, I'm sure this is some top notch journalisming

[Botten]

lol youtube channel with 1k subs, boy this sure does check out!

it's not like libs are horny to smear this guy for some unfathomably dumb reason, I'm sure this is some top notch journalisming

If you are playing recovery for the O.U.R. group, producer and their movies you are doing a horrible job.


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[Origen]

Don't tell Ooloo when he does a bad job at making his points, please

[arvidez]

Remember when that Republican politician basically said for the rights to bare arms will require children to endear more school shootings.

which would you trade away first? both kids think they want it, both powers think they need it.

[Homesteaded]

Can we all agree we need to have age limits on politicians? Cocaine mitch going full blown stroke and blowing it off as nothing. If you can't fill out your term and be under the age of 70, you can't run. Enough is enough. No 70 year old is functioning at the level they need to be if they are in a position of power.

[unsunghero]

Can we all agree we need to have age limits on politicians? Cocaine mitch going full blown stroke and blowing it off as nothing. If you can't fill out your term and be under the age of 70, you can't run. Enough is enough. No 70 year old is functioning at the level they need to be if they are in a position of power.

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[Patriam1066]

I’d rather ban the obese from holding office or collecting benefits of any form, but sure, bar the old and implement term limits as well

[Landroval]

Can we all agree we need to have age limits on politicians? Cocaine mitch going full blown stroke and blowing it off as nothing. If you can't fill out your term and be under the age of 70, you can't run. Enough is enough. No 70 year old is functioning at the level they need to be if they are in a position of power.

I disagree, for the lulz.

If this is such an overarching Unitarian sentiment, let's see you "vote" these gargoyles out of office.

[Origen]

Whoa, whoa, pump the brakes

Hateful Honesteaded is... Unitarian?

[Landroval]

The reality is, you can't actually vote these people into retirement. Look at when Obama beat Romney, or Bush jr. Beat Kerry.

You'd assume losing the vote means that's it for them, but nope, the very next administrative flip installs these guys right back into power, whether it's an elected position or not is irrelevant; they are our ruling class from birth; they just get weaseled in somewhere else till they die while they sockpuppet oppositional roles of our assigned political contrivances and grievances.

So when was the last working class Joe installed into the presidency?

[Lune]

Jimmy Carter is as close to a working class Joe as a modern American president can realistically get. Dude grew up on a farm with about the level of wealth a typical middle class person would have. It eventually became a successful farm, but Jimmy Carter was a successful guy.

Not to imply that question was asked in good faith.