NY GRAND JURY VOTES TO INDICT TRUMP

[Origen]

If they were a good cop in El Salvador, why not try them here?

DACA recipients have an even stronger case for being treated equally and fairly, being far less foreign to the United States.I really don't see what makes the reactionaries mad about this (other than their racism/classism, e.g. them being incensed at the hypothetical concept of getting a ticket from someone they see as "beneath" them)

I have a Korean-American friend who got his citizenship due to his service in the Marine Corps and later the Army. It's fine. Foreign nationals, much less naturalized DACA recipients, fought on behalf of this country centuries ago and they continue to do it today.

[aussenseiter]

I really don't see what makes the reactionaries mad about this (other than their racism/classism, e.g. them being incensed at the hypothetical concept of getting a ticket from someone they see as "beneath" them)

I have a Korean-American friend who got his citizenship due to his service in the Marine Corps and later the Army. It's fine. Foreign nationals, much less naturalized DACA recipients, fought on behalf of this country centuries ago and they continue to do it today.

I think you couldn't do it on a federal level, but we aren't supposed to have federal police anyway.

States are in charge of their own policing.

[Origen]

Yeah. I thought the right wanted more cops, not fewer cops. Putting immigrants to work oppressing people seems to be a two birds one stone scenario from my position.

[Homesteaded]

Yeah. I thought the right wanted more cops, not fewer cops. Putting immigrants to work oppressing people seems to be a two birds one stone scenario from my position.

See previous post. This is not what is happening. I want legal immigration, it's what makes us great. I also want immigrants who want to come here and become American, not come here and try and enact their previous countries legal/political system.

[aussenseiter]

See previous post. This is not what is happening. I want legal immigration, it's what makes us great. I also want immigrants who want to come here and become American, not come here and try and enact their previous countries legal/political system.

Juarez, Mexico vs Chicago, Illinois.

It's an Illinois thing isn't it?

[Origen]

See previous post. This is not what is happening. I want legal immigration, it's what makes us great. I also want immigrants who want to come here and become American, not come here and try and enact their previous countries legal/political system.Racist reactionary has a racist reaction, not surprising.

Y'all heard the rumor of the affair between Kevin McCarthy and Marjorie Taylor-Greene? Salacious stuff.

[Origen]

I think these reactionary goobers missed the part where the cop groups are opposed to the Illinois bill. Cops murder cops they don't like all the time.

So the end result will not only get poor people oppressed, as anything that leads to more cops will, but it will also lead to more dead DACA recipients.

That program is like, three birds with one stone. The right should be clapping and sending Pritzker flowers.

[Nibblewitz]

Isn’t the Illinois initiative at odds with federal statutes?

[aussenseiter]

Isn’t the Illinois initiative at odds with federal statutes?

Those statutes should be torn down. Federal control of policing is not authorized.

[Homesteaded]

I think these reactionary goobers missed the part where the cop groups are opposed to the Illinois bill. Cops murder cops they don't like all the time.

So the end result will not only get poor people oppressed, as anything that leads to more cops will, but it will also lead to more dead DACA recipients.

That program is like, three birds with one stone. The right should be clapping and sending Pritzker flowers.

You are unwell and very unhappy.

[Origen]

You are unwell and very unhappy.Doesn't make me wrong

[Nibblewitz]

Those statutes should be torn down. Federal control of policing is not authorized.

That's a slippery slope. States don't have any business in the right to bear arms.

[Nibblewitz]

Honestly, I don't really see anything wrong with someone being qualified and choosing to protect their communities. The shame is that our own citizenry is not filling the demand.

After all, we let unqualified politicians run the government.

[aussenseiter]

That's a slippery slope. States don't have any business in the right to bear arms.

Other due process rights have gone by the wayside recently. (https://www.oyez.org/cases/2009/08-1521) :p

[aussenseiter]

Honestly, I don't really see anything wrong with someone being qualified and choosing to protect their communities. The shame is that our own citizenry is not filling the demand.

After all, we let unqualified politicians run the government.

The order is to make federal work authorization status indiscriminable. (https://www.illinois.gov/news/press-release.23653.html)

[Homesteaded]

Honestly, I don't really see anything wrong with someone being qualified and choosing to protect their communities. The shame is that our own citizenry is not filling the demand.

After all, we let unqualified politicians run the government.

Is it surprising that no one wants to be a cop? It seems like a really challenging job. Similar to a prison guard. Entrenched in the dregs of society.

For a while I've thought Police and Fire should rotate, four years as a cop, four years as a firemen.

[Origen]

Why? What would rotating firefighters and cops solve?

[Homesteaded]

Why? What would rotating firefighters and cops solve?

I believe the issue you have with cops is the work environment is just not something 99% of people can do for thirty years and not become jaded. Rotating between police and fire would give these public servants a break from only being involved in drugs and crime for an entire career. I believe this brief reprieve would pay dividends. Fire would benefit from a wider breadth of training that could be of use on the fire department.

My idea hinges on the idea that almost no one is equipped to be a police officer for an entire career. I'm speaking about mostly urban environments, sure you can be a cop in a suburb where very few major issues occur. Cops should also have to live where they police.

[Origen]

I've read the "cops should live within their jurisdiction" thing in leftist circles. I wonder how your hypothetical program would pan out in rural counties, though.

I googled stats and about 600k of the one millionish firefighters nationwide in the USA are volunteers. I also wonder how many of them are hypothetically interested in cross-training as cops.

I assume you'd be ruling out prisoners volunteering as firefighters, too.

[unsunghero]

Cops should also have to live where they police.

Sounds nice and lovely, but good luck with that

Most professions in life don’t have the possibility of:

You being randomly ambushed and killed with almost no way to see it coming or prevent it

You being verbally abused constantly by the people you serve, every insult imaginable thrown your way

You being randomly assaulted trying to do your job. Just saw a police body cam video of a cooperative drunk woman being arrested for DUI suddenly becoming uncooperative without warning and kneeing the male cop in the balls as hard as she could. How about for other professions, I get to show up at your work, and knee you in the balls as hard as I can, and you can go ahead and finish out your day after that. Oh and not quit either, maybe I’ll do it again tomorrow, and the next day

Having to walk a tight rope constantly to avoid getting in legal trouble doing your job

Having half the county hate you and call you a racist until they need your help, then you can’t come fast enough for them


This means cops can’t keep staffed, which means you get two options:

1. Less cops and long long response times or no response. Crimss like petty theft not investigated ever. Your home break in or car theft will never be solved or even looked at

2. Having to recruit from outside areas

[Origen]

Hehe, except for the emergency calls part, you're also describing teachers.

[unsunghero]

Hehe, except for the emergency calls part, you're also describing teachers.

Teachers don’t die or get assaulted nearly as much as cops

Even if the rates were the same, which they aren’t even close, being assaulted by a 10yr old vs an adult man who weighs 220 lbs are very different. Weight classes exist for a reason

[aussenseiter]

I've read the "cops should live within their jurisdiction" thing in leftist circles. I wonder how your hypothetical program would pan out in rural counties, though.

I think that would be pretty expensive labor in some spots.

The Shahs of the Manhattan Police Department.

[Origen]

Teachers don’t die or get assaulted nearly as much as cops

Even if the rates were the same, which they aren’t even close, being assaulted by a 10yr old vs an adult man who weighs 220 lbs are very different. Weight classes exist for a reasonhttps://www.verifythis.com/article/news/verify/crime-verify/more-children-killed-school-shootings-than-law-enforcement-police-killed-gunfire-firearms-2022/536-7eabd5b9-f394-4600-8453-799a804bcc57

Technically, no, it isn't usually the actual teacher getting killed apparently, but your comment made me go looking for stuff and that one was kinda jarring.

I have a friend who is a teacher who has been hospitalized by a kid she was teaching. He is a repeat biter, he's 14, and she's a petite thirty something. Ancedotal, but they aren't UFC fighters so it's probably not just weight class. Remember that Giant Killer dude?

[Homesteaded]

You’re right, quotas for hiring never work. I retract that.

[unsunghero]

https://www.verifythis.com/article/news/verify/crime-verify/more-children-killed-school-shootings-than-law-enforcement-police-killed-gunfire-firearms-2022/536-7eabd5b9-f394-4600-8453-799a804bcc57

Technically, no, it isn't usually the actual teacher getting killed apparently, but your comment made me go looking for stuff and that one was kinda jarring.

I have a friend who is a teacher who has been hospitalized by a kid she was teaching. He is a repeat biter, he's 14, and she's a petite thirty something. Ancedotal, but they aren't UFC fighters so it's probably not just weight class. Remember that Giant Killer dude?

“The National Fraternal Order of Police reports that as of midnight on 29 June, there have been 194 officers shot in the line of duty so far in 2023 (+30% from 2021 YTD; +6% from 2020 YTD). Of those officers shot, 25 of them were killed by gunfire (-14% from 2021 YTD; -22% from 2020 YTD). There have been 57 ambush-style attacks on law enforcement officers this year”

Who’s the giant killer dude? Sounds interesting but I don’t remember

[Origen]

This fella: https://www.tapology.com/fightcenter/fighters/keith-hackney-the-giant-killer

200 pounds, took down a 600 pound plus dude in the 90's.

[Lune]

By the way, my wife is a teacher, and teachers do frequently get attacked and injured, especially these days as parenting is non-existent and kids are out of control. In South Carolina, one of her colleagues (a dainty, 100 lb young white woman) got picked up and thrown through a window by a 14 yr old black kid who was bigger than I was (kid was 6'4, 230 lb). These days, many people treat their children like their friends rather than their children.

Sounds nice and lovely, but good luck with that

Most professions in life don’t have the possibility of:

You being randomly ambushed and killed with almost no way to see it coming or prevent it

You being verbally abused constantly by the people you serve, every insult imaginable thrown your way

You being randomly assaulted trying to do your job. Just saw a police body cam video of a cooperative drunk woman being arrested for DUI suddenly becoming uncooperative without warning and kneeing the male cop in the balls as hard as she could. How about for other professions, I get to show up at your work, and knee you in the balls as hard as I can, and you can go ahead and finish out your day after that. Oh and not quit either, maybe I’ll do it again tomorrow, and the next day

Having to walk a tight rope constantly to avoid getting in legal trouble doing your job

Having half the county hate you and call you a racist until they need your help, then you can’t come fast enough for them


This means cops can’t keep staffed, which means you get two options:

1. Less cops and long long response times or no response. Crimss like petty theft not investigated ever. Your home break in or car theft will never be solved or even looked at

2. Having to recruit from outside areas

Being a lumberjack or fisherman is far more dangerous than being a cop, and COVID killed more cops than violence during the pandemic (lol).

While it's true it's a somewhat unique job in that someone will randomly shoot you in the face because of what you do, the profession has a high degree of institutional rot. Many sheriffs departments are infested by cop gangs, and countless PD's have a horrible "blue brotherhood" culture where it's almost like a mafia, they look out for each other rather than doing what should be their job looking out for us. (In reality their job is to protect wealth, government, and property, with a little public order on the side.) Horrendous rates of domestic violence and divorce from the stress of their job and the workplace culture.

They need to hire fewer military vets and more 4 year college grads, or stratify between normal beat cops (professionals) and SWAT response type cops (military vets) like they do in some of Europe.

[Homesteaded]

Teachers, Cops both suffer from institutional rot.

I wonder what the common theme is?

Unions

[Origen]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2023/03/02/most-dangerous-jobs-america-database/11264064002/

Here in Georgia, as it relates to roofers and tree trimmers, the phrase is "if you fall off the ladder, you're fired before you hit the ground"

[Origen]

Teachers, Cops both suffer from institutional rot.

I wonder what the common theme is?

UnionsThis man knows nothing about American history.

[Lune]

"Hmmmn... what's wrong with this extremely complicated and multifaceted issue across two wildly different professions with two wildly different unions... I know, the thing I hate!"

lol, SC has no teacher's union and it's the worst fucking place to be a teacher in the country, second only to other states without unions. We just moved to Washington, where teachers have a union, and my wife more than doubled her pay, along with numerous other nice perks and leverage against abuse from admin. And what do you know, education is orders of magnitude better as well

Unions are an issue with both teachers and police but in both cases it's better to have unions than not have unions. It has more to do with professional culture than the presence of a union. Unions are the only leverage an employee has against an employer.

[aussenseiter]

This man knows nothing about American history.

I thought you wanted to bust the police union? Blue Brotherhood/Blue Line and all.

[Homesteaded]

SC has no teacher's union and it's the worst fucking place to be a teacher in the country, second only to other states without unions. We just moved to Washington, where teachers have a union, and my wife more than doubled her pay, along with numerous other nice perks and leverage against abuse from admin.

I’ve been in a Union. You describe the problem with unions. Excess pay and admin has no recourse to deal with bad employees. When you’re talking about institutions that are here to serve the public it’s obvious how this can cause issues. Admin abuse gets ironed out in the private sector, why can’t it work in the public sector? Teacher Unions are out of control. They control school boards and are only there to protect teachers. They are not there to foster an education for the customers(kids), this is a problem.

[Homesteaded]

This man knows nothing about American history.

I'll fully admit the private sector can go to far. You are not willing to admit Unions can and have gone too far.

[Origen]

I'll fully admit the private sector can go to far. You are not willing to admit Unions can and have gone too far.I will with the police union. No others.

[aussenseiter]

"Hmmmn... what's wrong with this extremely complicated and multifaceted issue across two wildly different professions with two wildly different unions... I know, the thing I hate!"

lol, SC has no teacher's union and it's the worst fucking place to be a teacher in the country, second only to other states without unions. We just moved to Washington, where teachers have a union, and my wife more than doubled her pay, along with numerous other nice perks and leverage against abuse from admin. And what do you know, education is orders of magnitude better as well

Unions are an issue with both teachers and police but in both cases it's better to have unions than not have unions. It has more to do with professional culture than the presence of a union. Unions are the only leverage an employee has against an employer.

It took them 6 years to fund the schools, carpetbagger.

Now they're broke again and want to close some.

https://www.seattletimes.com/education-lab/school-closures-cuts-to-clubs-and-music-possible-as-wa-schools-face-cliff/

[unsunghero]

While it's true it's a somewhat unique job in that someone will randomly shoot you in the face because of what you do

“Somewhat of a unique job” in that I’m sure loggers don’t have their customers constantly verbally abusing them, lying to them, or threatening them every day at work

Do loggers have someone in the back of their car screaming profanity at them sometimes, or maybe someone pissing in the car back there in defiance, and then have to be grabbed by the logger and restrained while actively physically combative covered in their own piss?

Definitely a unique job

[Homesteaded]

I will with the police union. No others.

Your bias in full display. You are a bot. You are worst than AI.

[Origen]

It took them 6 years to fund the schools, carpetbagger.

Now they're broke again and want to close some.Sounds like an opening for some Shock Doctrine shit. I do not keep up with SC politics. You got some reading for the class?

Your bias in full display. You are a bot. You are worst than AI.Cops aren't workers. I like unions, but not as much as I dislike cops.

[unsunghero]

Sounds like an opening for some Shock Doctrine shit. I do not keep up with SC politics. You got some reading for the class?

Cops aren't workers. I like unions, but not as much as I dislike cops.

Just promise to never call a cop for yourself or someone you care about. No matter what happens you need to handle it yourself

[Patriam1066]

Hey Washington people, I may try Spokane. Is it really all skinheads and tweakers? I’ve heard bad things

[Origen]

https://www.seattletimes.com/education-lab/school-closures-cuts-to-clubs-and-music-possible-as-wa-schools-face-cliff/Joe Biden, take 1% of the defense spending budget

Just promise to never call a cop for yourself or someone you care about. No matter what happens you need to handle it yourselfNo.

[unsunghero]

Joe Biden, take 1% of the defense spending budget

No.

Then you really have no room to talk. Or how about you can call them, but you need to preface the call with a monologue about how much you dislike them. I’m sure they’ll still come out as quick as they can

[Landroval]

Hey Washington people, I may try Spokane. Is it really all skinheads and tweakers? I’ve heard bad things

The tweaker part is absolutely correct. I dunno about skinheads

[Origen]

Then you really have no room to talk. Or how about you can call them, but you need to preface the call with a monologue about how much you dislike them. I’m sure they’ll still come out as quick as they canCops help people who don't like cops all the time. I help people who dislike me when I am trying to make money. 911 dispatchers are not interested in monologues.

[unsunghero]

Cops help people who don't like cops all the time. I help people who dislike me when I am trying to make money. 911 dispatchers are not interested in monologues.

It’s not about the cops, it’s about you

You are saying that you hate a profession yet not standing on your convictions and not utilizing it because you are a combination of inept and selfish to try to stand on your own. Not only that, you are putting your own incompetence at defending yourself and selfishness above your principles

[Origen]

It’s not about the cops, it’s about you

You are saying that you hate a profession yet not standing on your convictions and not utilizing it because you are a combination of inept and selfish to try to stand on your own. Not only that, you are putting your own incompetence at defending yourself and selfishness above your principlesI also dislike the US Military.

Does this mean I have to learn to defend the USA from attack by nuclear weapons?

[unsunghero]

I also dislike the US Military.

Does this mean I have to learn to defend the USA from attack by nuclear weapons?

Do you utilize the military personally?

If a parent hates public education, they stand on their convictions and learn how to homeschool their own kids

If someone hates and doesn’t trust plumbers, they stand on their convictions and learn how to fix their own pipes so they won’t have to call one

If someone hates and doesn’t trust doctors, they learn how to treat themselves as best they can


Defending oneself, especially since you already admitted you have access to a firearm, is arguably less total work to learn than all of the things listed above. But like I said, selfishness, maybe laziness, lack of conviction

[Homesteaded]

He’s an amoeba, he doesn’t stand for anything of merit. He spews hate toward any power structure he doesn’t like, mostly due to what appears to be a hatred of American principles.

[Origen]

A lot of right wingers hate and distrust doctors, but I doubt they are going to McDonald's for surgery if they get a wound.

You can be critical of things and still utilize them.

[Landroval]

Y'all are batting 1.000 this week on stupid shit to talk aboit

[Origen]

Y'all are batting 1.000 this week on stupid shit to talk aboitWelcome to the Project 1999 Off-Topic Forum, where reactionaries come to circle the drain

[Homesteaded]

A lot of right wingers hate and distrust doctors, but I doubt they are going to McDonald's for surgery if they get a wound.

You can be critical of things and still utilize them.

You need to expand your vocabulary, you describe everything as hate.

Public trust for the medical establishment has been greatly eroded. Covid lies. Mutilating mentally ill and last but not least overly prescribed drugs. If you aren’t more suspicious of medical advice you aren’t paying attention.

Hell the food pyramid and nutritional guidance from the same folks is clearly bad advice.

The Government institutions are exposing themselves over the years as branches of private business. The rot is deep.

[Origen]

The rot is just capitalism.

[Landroval]

Welcome to the Project 1999 Off-Topic Forum, where reactionaries come to circle the drain

Present company excluded, I'm sure

[Origen]

Present company excluded, I'm sureAbsolutely not. I am a Reactionary Reactionary. This forum is a cesspool.

[Botten]

Public trust for the medical establishment has been greatly eroded. Covid lies. Mutilating mentally ill and last but not least overly prescribed drugs. If you aren’t more suspicious of medical advice you aren’t paying attention.


Quite the opposite actually with over a million deaths to Covid (with literally hospitals filled with patients) there has been more awareness to vaccination and more yearly appointments than ever.

This all includes more people taking care of their blood pressure and cholesterol concerns too.

Clinical R&D is finally receiving the funding it needed.
Hell, Meta AI is currently unlocking hundreds of millions of proteins to aid drug discovery

Advances in cell and gene therapies (such as treatments based on chimeric antigen receptor T cells and mRNA) provides potential power of carefully designed, targeted interventions to treat diseases.

It is literally so exciting to be in the field and if you succumb to the ignorance of alt right factions I feel bad for you; as you fall further behind and naturally lesser yourselves in population.

[unsunghero]

A lot of right wingers hate and distrust doctors, but I doubt they are going to McDonald's for surgery if they get a wound.

You can be critical of things and still utilize them.

No they just tough out their illnesses and sometimes die

Why do you think there is a stereotype of stubborn men dying early because they don’t like going to the doctor

Like I said, if you had any convictions at all, you’d tough out any crime. Speaking of conservatives, there are many who have a picture of a firearm on their home and message “we don’t call 911” and I bet they probably have the balls to mean what they say and defend themselves. And they dont even hate police

[Origen]

No they just tough out their illnesses and sometimes die

Why do you think there is a stereotype of stubborn men dying early because they don’t like going to the doctor

Like I said, if you had any convictions at all, you’d tough out any crime. Speaking of conservatives, there are many who have a picture of a firearm on their home and message “we don’t call 911” and I bet they probably have the balls to mean what they say and defend themselves. And they dont even hate police"Be a stubborn, arrogant dumbass or you LACK CONVICTIONS"

Sorry bro I got enough IQ points left to roll the hell out of my eyes here. I will continue to utilize qualified experts at the hospital and will call police if and when it becomes necessary, and to boot, I'll probably be a sassy bitch when I talk to them.

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[unsunghero]

"Be a stubborn, arrogant dumbass or you LACK CONVICTIONS"

Sorry bro I got enough IQ points left to roll the hell out of my eyes here. I will continue to utilize qualified experts at the hospital and will call police if and when it becomes necessary, and to boot, I'll probably be a sassy bitch when I talk to them

What is stubborn or arrogant about learning how to defend yourself again?

You do realize that soon your dream might be realized and there are almost no police left and you will have no choice?

You can choose words of not being stubborn or arrogant and I can use lazy, incompetent, lack of conviction, and selfish

[Origen]

What makes you think I am not capable?

[PRogers]

haven't teachers abused like 100x the kids that church officials have or something? but who is counting?

not that the church gets any excuses, biggest hypocrits that ever walked the earth that lot.

but uh, we aren't doing the victims of abuse any favors by sitting around pointing fingers saying this group abuses kids, or that group abuses kids more often...

We NEED a massive societal pushback against all sex abuse from any source or else it's going to become accepted reality, just like gay marriage and just like the trannies expect they can do as well.

You mean sunday school teachers and catholic school teachers? I can see it. If there was a record of it in public schools, it would be easy as fuck to see. The only pattern I can dicern is Jesus = rape kids.

You mean like the one side that is pointing to a group of people who have historically not been rapists and pedos but saying that they are, over and over and over and over and over??

You're allowed to marry the adult you love. You're also allowed to marry kids, too. I bet you cant guess who decided that was a good idea.

[unsunghero]

What makes you think I am not capable?

Quite a lot in fact but it might offend you to have me list all of the reasons

Let’s just go with you already saying you plan to call police

Let’s just hope that one day they won’t exist so the world will be a better place and you won’t have anyone to call

[Origen]

Doing juvenlie violence fantasies with you has been fun, but if you won't even explain your own assumptions then this argument can remain in your head.

[unsunghero]

Doing juvenlie violence fantasies with you has been fun, but if you won't even explain your own assumptions then this argument can remain in your head.

All right, it’s your funeral, also what would happen if a scenario happened where you have to defend yourself

If I had to list the reasons because you insist: first, I think you talk big online but would be a wimp in an actual streetfight. I think you are not remotely physically imposing, nor do you have any good knowledge of how to physically subdue a suspect who is actively trying to hurt you. I don’t think you can even verbally sound imposing, considering cops have to practice their commanding “cop voice”, being imposing actually takes practice and experience. I think whatever firearms you have in your home are not handy, that you don’t practice with them, and you are just as likely to accidentally kill your wife as you are the suspect with them

I think in all likelihood you would attempt to flee a violent suspect trying to hurt you, but probably also not be able to do that because you don’t strike me as particularly athletic. The only positive I can give is I DO believe you would not try to run if your wife was with you, that you would fight to the death, which would likely result in first your death, then your wife’s

That’s why you need police. And if you actually practiced defending yourself and your family and ESPECIALLY if you experienced and defended actual violent attacks, you would gain an appreciation for what cops have to go through on the daily from first hand experiencing it

[aussenseiter]

You mean sunday school teachers and catholic school teachers? I can see it. If there was a record of it in public schools, it would be easy as fuck to see. The only pattern I can dicern is Jesus = rape kids.

You mean like the one side that is pointing to a group of people who have historically not been rapists and pedos but saying that they are, over and over and over and over and over??

You're allowed to marry the adult you love. You're also allowed to marry kids, too. I bet you cant guess who decided that was a good idea.

https://akns-images.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/201538/rs_1024x759-150408142233-1024.Barbara-Walters-Mary-Kay-Letourneau-Fualaau-Vili-Fualaau.ms.040815_copy.jpg

[Origen]

All right, it’s your funeral, also what would happen if a scenario happened where you have to defend yourself

If I had to list the reasons because you insist: first, I think you talk big online but would be a wimp in an actual streetfight. I think you are not remotely physically imposing, nor do you have any good knowledge of how to physically subdue a suspect who is actively trying to hurt you. I don’t think you can even verbally sound imposing, considering cops have to practice their commanding “cop voice”, being imposing actually takes practice and experience. I think whatever firearms you have in your home are not handy, that you don’t practice with them, and you are just as likely to accidentally kill your wife as you are the suspect with them

I think in all likelihood you would attempt to flee a violent suspect trying to hurt you, but probably also not be able to do that because you don’t strike me as particularly athletic. The only positive I can give is I DO believe you would not try to run if your wife was with you, that you would fight to the death, which would likely result in first your death, then your wife’s

That’s why you need police. And if you actually practiced defending yourself and your family and ESPECIALLY if you experienced and defended actual violent attacks, you would gain an appreciation for what cops have to go through on the daily from first hand experiencing itI just wanted to see it. I am not offended, but I am amused. I'll neither confirm nor deny a word.

[Trexller]

Doing juvenlie violence fantasies with you has been fun, but if you won't even explain your own assumptions then this argument can remain in your head.

say you're chillen out one night doing what I assume is something akin to watching downton abbey while drinking boxed pinot grigio and painting your fingernails.

then out of no where a crazed lunatic kicks in your front door and threatens you with a sawed off shotgun.

he doesn't want money or food or valuables

He wants to fuck your wife, and doesn't have a high regard for the #metoo movement.

What do you do Rob?

What do YOU do?

[Origen]

I'm calling my hero, he's unsung, maybe he'll finally get a reason for people to sing songs about him

[aussenseiter]

Please do not Bernard Shaw other forum users ty

[Ooloo]

Remember guys since police occasionally (very rarely) mess up and kill somebody or hurt somebody unjustly, we just don't need them and shouldn't have them. The other billion times they just help people and are fine don't count or something.

This is a smart and good plan.

[Origen]

Remember guys since police occasionally (very rarely) mess up and kill somebody or hurt somebody unjustly, we just don't need them and shouldn't have them. The other billion times they just help people and are fine don't count or something.

This is a smart and good plan.Now apply this logic to gender transition surgery for people under eighteen

[Ooloo]

The most appalling thing about the whole anti-cop\defund the police attitude is that you aren't just saying that *you* don't want cops, you're trying to make that decision for other people who maybe aren't insane and still want cops. The hubris of that is just stunning.

Libs gonna lib right off a cliff.

[Ooloo]

Now apply this logic to gender transition surgery for people under eighteen

Haha what? No.

[Origen]

The most appalling thing about the whole anti-cop\defund the police attitude is that you aren't just saying that *you* don't want cops, you're trying to make that decision for other people who maybe aren't insane and still want cops. The hubris of that is just stunning.

Libs gonna lib right off a cliff.Now apply this logic to gender transition surgery for people under eighteen

[Trexller]

Remember guys since police occasionally (very rarely) mess up and kill somebody or hurt somebody unjustly, we just don't need them and shouldn't have them. The other billion times they just help people and are fine don't count or something.

This is a smart and good plan.

Now apply this logic to gender transition surgery for people under eighteen

https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-never-interrupt-your-enemy-when-he-is-making-a-mistake-napoleon-bonaparte-3-12-97.jpg

If you give the liberals the tools to destroy themselves, they will.

just ask the folks over at Black Lives Matter.

[Origen]

What tools did you give Black Lives Matter?

[Trexller]

What tools did you give Black Lives Matter?

hundreds of millions of $$

back when saint floyd died of a drug overdose every major company recognized they had to get on the lefty side of that issue so they all inundated BLM with more money beyond their wildest dreams and being the feral animals that they are, the BLM leadership all fought with each other over control over the funds, spent shitloads on real estate and BLING BLING and ultimately burned their own house down.

like 40 mil or something can't even be accounted for, they are bankrupt now after the democrats used them as a political pawn and exactly 1 second after they were no longer useful, got tossed into the wastebasket of political history

[Origen]

Yeah, welcome to how capitalism exploits the oppressed. They've done that kind of thing for more than a century now. Every time I see modern politicians quoting MLK in February I think of this quote by Lenin:

During the lifetime of great revolutionaries, the oppressing classes constantly hounded them, received their theories with the most savage malice, the most furious hatred and the most unscrupulous campaigns of lies and slander. After their death, attempts are made to convert them into harmless icons, to canonize them, so to say, and to hallow their names to a certain extent for the “consolation” of the oppressed classes and with the object of duping the latter, while at the same time robbing the revolutionary theory of its substance, blunting its revolutionary edge and vulgarizing it.

[Trexller]

and yet you're willing, nay, excitedly supportive of offering children's bodies to the alter of marxism.

trans kids' rights will disappear exactly 1 second after it is no longer politically useful, and in the wake of that destruction will be millions of psychologically damaged teens who have been chemically castrated or got their genitals mutilated all in the name of the hallowed alphabet people

[Origen]

Nah, that's the altar of freedom of choice.

I'm sorry you're so grossed out you don't support freedom.

Anyways, let me know when you are more mentally mature than 13

[Landroval]

https://youtu.be/R00SzB_bOI0

Looks like they found one of Biden/China's Collab pet projects in Fresno County.bioengineering mice to be vectors for a number of infectious diseases. Nothing to see here, as the story broke by foreign news agencies weeks before MS-NPC finally had to follow suit.

[Trexller]

more mentally mature than 13

from a dude who thinks that men can give birth himself says he is going to call an internet stranger for help if someone tries to rape his wife

[Trexller]

https://youtu.be/R00SzB_bOI0

R00SzB_bOI0

[Landroval]

Quick, go download your opinion on this from your Jewish experts who suppressed the story for 4 months

[Origen]

from a dude who thinks that men can give birth himself says he is going to call an internet stranger for help if someone tries to rape his wifeIt's called sarcasm, I don't have or want his phone number. I was doing this thing called "deflection".

[Trexller]

I was doing this thing called "deflection".

that's literally all you ever do

[Homesteaded]

This is what happens when you have no moral compass, no True North. No guidance principles, when you believe we're just bugs on a rock floating through space. It's not wonder they don't give a shit about anyone outside their skin.

[aussenseiter]

R00SzB_bOI0

I smell Hindu nationalists.

Goddamn Aryans.

Isn't India BRICs either way?

[Origen]

that's literally all you ever doReal men don't want, need or seek the approval of others.

[aussenseiter]

It's Groundhog Day, again (https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/01/trump-indictment-jan-6-2020-election/)

[Origen]

This is what happens when you have no moral compass, no True North. No guidance principles, when you believe we're just bugs on a rock floating through space. It's not wonder they don't give a shit about anyone outside their skin.I like how you can pontificate about this made-up nonsense but just look the other way on a thousand immoral acts because they support the racism you favor

[PRogers]

It's Groundhog Day, again (https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/01/trump-indictment-jan-6-2020-election/)

I like the guys who dont get charged with like 88 crimes in a year.

[Ooloo]

I like the guys who dont get charged with like 88 crimes in a year.

These people do not respect your intelligence. Stop falling for it.

They're gonna get him this time, boy howdy!

The sacred rulllllle of lawwwww must be upheld unless your name is hunter B. in which case nahh. Total joke, complete utter clown show.

[Origen]

I don't know what kind of clown shows you've been to, I'd personally be alarmed if a clown showed me his dick pics

[Homesteaded]

I like how you can pontificate about this made-up nonsense but just look the other way on a thousand immoral acts because they support the racism you favor

Do I need to speak on every immoral act committed by everyone in every post?

[Patriam1066]

The tweaker part is absolutely correct. I dunno about skinheads

That’s a damn shame. Virginia isn’t working out, gonna head to Washington next

[Patriam1066]

These people do not respect your intelligence. Stop falling for it.

They're gonna get him this time, boy howdy!

The sacred rulllllle of lawwwww must be upheld unless your name is hunter B. in which case nahh. Total joke, complete utter clown show.

Hunter is bad

Sackler family is worse. People with fuck you money are never held to account. SAD BIGLY

[Patriam1066]

"Hmmmn... what's wrong with this extremely complicated and multifaceted issue across two wildly different professions with two wildly different unions... I know, the thing I hate!"

lol, SC has no teacher's union and it's the worst fucking place to be a teacher in the country, second only to other states without unions. We just moved to Washington, where teachers have a union, and my wife more than doubled her pay, along with numerous other nice perks and leverage against abuse from admin. And what do you know, education is orders of magnitude better as well

Unions are an issue with both teachers and police but in both cases it's better to have unions than not have unions. It has more to do with professional culture than the presence of a union. Unions are the only leverage an employee has against an employer.

AFAIK teacher’s Union crippled Chicago politics and has been a big part in it becoming a shit hole

I’m not well versed on the topic of crumbling rust belt shit piles though

[Origen]

Do I need to speak on every immoral act committed by everyone in every post?I am not talking about posting, I am talking about the real-life consequences of your authoritarian outlook

[booter]

why would hunter biden's laptop do this?

[Elizondo]

Now apply this logic to gender transition surgery for people under eighteen

Children can't enter into contractual agreements in most cases yet you think it's ok to cut off their genitalia without parental consent

[Ooloo]

why would hunter biden's laptop do this?

hunter biden's laptop didn't do anything; hunter biden and joe biden did things is the point ya dingus

[Botten]

Children can't enter into contractual agreements in most cases yet you think it's ok to cut off their genitalia without parental consent

Young Children Do Not Receive Medical Gender Transition Treatment

Children are not offered surgery or drugs before puberty.

Drugs that suppress puberty are the first medical treatment that may be offered to a transgender minor, the guidelines say. Children may be offered drugs to suppress puberty beginning when breast buds appear or testicles increase to a certain volume, typically happening between ages 10 to 13 or 10 to 14.

There are no comprehensive statistics on the number of gender-affirming surgeries performed in the U.S., but according to an insurance claims analysis (https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-transyouth-data/), 776 minors with a diagnosis of gender dysphoria had breast removal surgeries and 56 had genital surgeries from 2019 to 2021.

[Elizondo]

Young Children Do Not Receive Medical Gender Transition Treatment

Children are not offered surgery or drugs before puberty.

Drugs that suppress puberty are the first medical treatment that may be offered to a transgender minor, the guidelines say. Children may be offered drugs to suppress puberty beginning when breast buds appear or testicles increase to a certain volume, typically happening between ages 10 to 13 or 10 to 14.

There are no comprehensive statistics on the number of gender-affirming surgeries performed in the U.S., but according to an insurance claims analysis (https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-transyouth-data/), 776 minors with a diagnosis of gender dysphoria had breast removal surgeries and 56 had genital surgeries from 2019 to 2021.

776 minors with a diagnosis of gender dysphoria had breast removal surgeries and 56 had genital surgeries from 2019 to 2021.

Any human under the age of 18 is considered a child (minor) and cannot enter into a legal contract yet you condone the mutilation of their bodies without parental consent.

They keeping incrementally lowering the minimum recommended age for treatment as well

https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2022-06-16/trans-kids-treatment-can-start-younger-new-guidelines-say

Trans kids’ treatment can start younger, new guidelines say

A leading transgender health association has lowered its recommended minimum age for starting gender transition treatment, including sex hormones and surgeries.

The World Professional Assn. for Transgender Health said hormones could be started at age 14, two years earlier than the group’s previous advice, and some surgeries done at age 15 or 17, a year or so earlier than previous guidance. The group acknowledged potential risks but said it is unethical and harmful to withhold early treatment.

[Lune]

Hey Washington people, I may try Spokane. Is it really all skinheads and tweakers? I’ve heard bad things

They call it Spocompton for a reason. Shitty weather, all the grunge of western WA without the amenities. Affordable though. And supposedly Spokane proper has improved some in the last 10 years, with the surrounding area basically resembling Idaho in its economy and politics. Anywhere in WA (really, anywhere in general these days unless you can pay to get out of it) is going to have tweakers.

The outdoors in WA are second to none in the lower 48, even better than CA imo, and I grew up there.

[booter]

The outdoors in WA are second to none in the lower 48, even better than CA imo, and I grew up there.

I grew up/still live in LA. Going to Olympic NP for a week next month and very excited to see some foreign terrain.

[Botten]

hunter biden's laptop didn't do anything; hunter biden and joe biden did things is the point ya dingus

As of 7/20/2023

Hunter Bidens laptop is a scam. There was no laptop. It was just all a hacked phone and e-mails.

The laptop recovered wasn't even Hunter Biden's laptop. It was a laptop that had bunch of Hunter Biden data on it.

But the data shows clear evidence it had been modified and tampered after it was placed on a laptop; with timestamps on the written files.

It was found that Hunter Biden was in rehab with no access to electronic devices, however, somehow while he was in rehab his passwords and phone number associated to his iCloud account were changed. Next spyware was installed that would allow email to be sent on someone else's behalf was installed on his phone.

Then his e-mails accounts and later his phone numbers credentials associated to his accounts were changed.

And a record asking for a full copy of his iCloud account was then made.

This information was then copied to a laptop. This was then the laptop that showed up in a New Jersey Computer repair store which was subsequently turned over to Rudy Giuliani.

There was then evidence the password on the phone account was then again reset and the account was added to second phone.

Then a restore was enacted on the prior trusted phone number while adding again additional software to record calls.

All while Hunter was without any electronics.

Now how did the store clerk know who to turn this laptop over too or how did Rudy Giuliani know to pick up this laptop at this store?

Additionally John Paul Mac Isaac (the computer repairman), said he has a condition that affects his vision and “can't be 100% sure” it was Hunter Biden who dropped off the laptop to begin with.

Were Rudy Giuliani's two goons involved with ties to Ukraine and Russian?

Clues are showing it was another foreign disinformation campaign where tampered information was released like the hacked DNC and Hilary Clinton E-mail scandal.

Foreign interference was that lazy they basically tried the same low energy scam to try again to fool independent voters with misinformation as they originally did in 2016. So Sad.

[Elizondo]

As of 7/20/2023

Hunter Bidens laptop is a scam. There was no laptop. It was just all a hacked phone and e-mails.

The laptop recovered wasn't even Hunter Biden's laptop. It was a laptop that had bunch of Hunter Biden data on it.

But the data shows clear evidence it had been modified and tampered after it was placed on a laptop; with timestamps on the written files.

It was found that Hunter Biden was in rehab with no access to electronic devices, however, somehow while he was in rehab his passwords and phone number associated to his iCloud account were changed. Next spyware was installed that would allow email to be sent on someone else's behalf was installed on his phone.

Then his e-mails accounts and later his phone numbers credentials associated to his accounts were changed.

And a record asking for a full copy of his iCloud account was then made.

This information was then copied to a laptop. This was then the laptop that showed up in a New Jersey Computer repair store which was subsequently turned over to Rudy Giuliani.

There was then evidence the password on the phone account was then again reset and the account was added to second phone.

Then a restore was enacted on the prior trusted phone number while adding again additional software to record calls.

All while Hunter was without any electronics.

Now how did the store clerk know who to turn this laptop over too or how did Rudy Giuliani know to pick up this laptop at this store?

Additionally John Paul Mac Isaac (the computer repairman), said he has a condition that affects his vision and “can't be 100% sure” it was Hunter Biden who dropped off the laptop to begin with.

Were Rudy Giuliani's two goons involved with ties to Ukraine and Russian?

Clues are showing it was another foreign disinformation campaign where tampered information was released like the hacked DNC and Hilary Clinton E-mail scandal.

Foreign interference was that lazy they basically tried the same low energy scam to try again to fool independent voters with misinformation as they originally did in 2016. So Sad.

The NYT confirmed the laptop is real and it is Hunter's

Where is your source for all of the disinformation you copy/pasted

Link it

[unsunghero]

This sounds pretty transphobic for woke Canada. When did Canada become Nazi Germany again?

So what if 3 women had to be carried out on a stretcher from a single game before the trans player was ejected

So what if the trans player was titled “hardest hitter” when they were a man

Sounds like it’s working as intended lol. It’s about female empowerment amirite ladies? You feel empowered getting laid out by the “hardest hitting” formerly male player? I bet you do

[unsunghero]

^
For some reason this trans woman gives me strong Zuby vibes

Meaning there’s a chance this was pure trolling, thinking “Ima fuck these women up to prove a point about bio men vs women”

If enough people did this just to troll or prove a point, it would probably result in bans/changes

[unsunghero]

We need this on a massive national scale. Troll the living shit out of them IMO

[Botten]

Any human under the age of 18 is considered a child (minor) and cannot enter into a legal contract yet you condone the mutilation of their bodies without parental consent.

They keeping incrementally lowering the minimum recommended age for treatment as well

https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2022-06-16/trans-kids-treatment-can-start-younger-new-guidelines-say

You aren't getting it Ez.

There aren't small children having their genitals surgically altered as purportedly parroted by the Christian base told to be enraged by pathetic republican politicians.

More over gender dysphoria and surgical procedures after 10 have been done since 2011 and during that time no one had a problem with it then.

Conservative politicians are sub-sequentially harping on it now because they desperately need the core base of GOP voters to be re-energized else they could have a discourage party not even go out to vote.

Your republican party is running out of cash in states like Colorado, Minnesota, Michigan, Georgia and Arizona.

Republicans between the fake electors and challenges to election are dirt poor!

Hell Colorado is going to vote on cancelling the Republican debate because to be honest they probably can't even afford it.

This 2024 is shaping up to be a great chance for the Democrats to WIN in BIG numbers.

Y2RMiM0CzAg

[Botten]

The NYT confirmed the laptop is real and it is Hunter's

Where is your source for all of the disinformation you copy/pasted

Link it

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/7/19/2182035/-Hunter-Biden-s-laptop-looks-more-and-more-like-a-politically-motivated-criminal-scheme

You fell for the same tired foreign disinformation campaign.

[Elizondo]

You aren't getting it Ez.

There aren't small children having their genitals surgically altered as purportedly parroted by the Christian base told to be enraged by pathetic republican politicians.

More over gender dysphoria and surgical procedures after 10 have been done since 2011 and during that time no one had a problem with it then.

Conservative politicians are sub-sequentially harping on it now because they desperately need the core base of GOP voters to be re-energized else they could have a discourage party not even go out to vote.

Your republican party is running out of cash in states like Colorado, Minnesota, Michigan, Georgia and Arizona.

Republicans between the fake electors and challenges to election are dirt poor!

Hell Colorado is going to vote on cancelling the Republican debate because to be honest they probably can't even afford it.

This 2024 is shaping up to be a great chance for the Democrats to WIN in BIG numbers.

Y2RMiM0CzAg

You're just babbling nonsense and have yet to refute my original point

Minors cannot enter into legal contracts yet you support removing their genitals

Like being age 14 and having your tits cut off without parental consent suddenly makes it ok. Strawman much?

[unsunghero]

Keep in mind the ONLY reason trans leagues don’t exist is that Dems are hypocrites. They’ll support them online on elf forums, but when it comes time to pay their own money to go watch their shitty boring games, they can go fuck themselves

Same reason why women’s leagues aren’t profitable. “We support women”, but only in the most casual, hands off, least effort way possible

[Elizondo]

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/7/19/2182035/-Hunter-Biden-s-laptop-looks-more-and-more-like-a-politically-motivated-criminal-scheme

You fell for the same tired foreign disinformation campaign.

Dailykos

lol another massive Botten fail

[Botten]

You're just babbling nonsense and have yet to refute my original point

Minors cannot enter into legal contracts yet you support removing their genitals

Like being age 14 and having your tits cut off without parental consent suddenly makes it ok. Strawman much?

Are you kidding me Ez?

Girls were having breast implants way before your Christian base was told to raise holy hell this election period. (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-implants-pip/timeline-a-short-history-of-breast-implants-idUSTRE80P12V20120126)

Your Republican politicians are asking you to baaaa and your all answer how loud?

[Elizondo]

Are you kidding me Ez?

Girls were having breast implants way before your Christian base was told to raise holy hell this election period. (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-implants-pip/timeline-a-short-history-of-breast-implants-idUSTRE80P12V20120126)

Your Republican politicians are asking you to baaaa and your all answer how loud?

Why do you keep throwing up these flimsy strawman? I don't agree with minors getting breast enhancements either and we're talking about pumping kids with chemicals that they will be dependent upon their entire lives. If this is the best you got, you got nothing

DailyKos and MSNBC

You're on a roll tonight

[unsunghero]

“But the girls are boring to watch” says almost every Dem except the lesbian women

Well, I guess you don’t care about gender pay equality then, at least not for sports. Don’t draw as big of a crowd, don’t get as much money

[Botten]

Dailykos

lol another massive Botten fail

And you answer the same way you do when you get information you don't agree with.

Only it is hilarious that you got destroyed when you linked an article from a news agency you earlier called Fakenews.

You discredit yourself.

[unsunghero]

No moar cops amirite??

ACAB

You know you done fucked up when the civil rights organization for black people says your soft on crime policies are costing lives and causing terror and blight

Pamela Price DA, says the district attorney’s office, the one who’s job it is to actually prosecute crime, cannot influence crime rates

I wonder if the crack she is smoking she got from some of the people she acquitted of all charges

[Elizondo]

And you answer the same way you do when you get information you don't agree with.

Only it is hilarious that you got destroyed when you linked an article from a news agency you earlier called Fakenews.

You discredit yourself.

DailyKos is a well known far left sewer

Sourcing it and trying to pass it off as anything remotely connected to the truth is embarrassing

[unsunghero]

El Salvador’s president stroke of genius crime and gang crackdown will single-handedly reduce rates of illegal immigration to the US more than incompetent Kamala could ever dream of

“According to Moody's rating agency, Moody's explained in an analysis that improved security levels in El Salvador following the Central Government's crackdown on gangs could eventually boost investment as businesses and consumers gain confidence. Also, Moody's projects that El Salvador's economic growth rate will be 1.7% this year 2023, before accelerating toward its full potential rate of about 2.5%”

https://www.dinero.com.sv/en/economy/item/6906-el-salvador-s-economic-growth-will-be-boosted-by-the-drop-in-crime-moody-s.html

Lol El Salvador president has a 91% approval rating, what’s Biden’s again? Anyone know?

[unsunghero]

^
While bringing back due process is important, I don’t believe for a second these “thousands of family members” saying their innocent little angel “unjustly imprisoned” never did anything bad. I watch enough true crime vids to know families say this kind of shit all the time about their MURDERING children

“He’s my sweet little baby boy. He’d never hurt anyone” Meanwhile the dude has chopped up multiple people

Sorry families, I press [x] to doubt

[aussenseiter]

Children can't enter into contractual agreements in most cases yet you think it's ok to cut off their genitalia without parental consent

I'd like to submit some legal evidence here. :)

1jQP0Y2T2OQ

[aussenseiter]

“But the girls are boring to watch” says almost every Dem except the lesbian women

Well, I guess you don’t care about gender pay equality then, at least not for sports. Don’t draw as big of a crowd, don’t get as much money

https://www.project1999.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22480&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1690946907

I would have watched the ladies soccer if it wasn't at 12 goddamn ass in the morning.

@PG

[unsunghero]

I would have watched the ladies soccer if it wasn't at 12 goddamn ass in the morning.

@PG

I used to watch women’s tennis when I was a kid. It started because it was all that was on at the time, but then I kinda got into it. Some of the rallies can be pretty epic

But either way, a trans league would be perma-broke as fuck. If it were a moneymaker, it would exist. And all it would take for it to be a moneymaker, would be for most Dems to come watch the games. But that will never ever happen. Because virtue is easiest with other people’s resources, not one’s own money

[aussenseiter]

I used to watch women’s tennis when I was a kid. It started because it was all that was on at the time, but then I kinda got into it. Some of the rallies can be pretty epic

But either way, a trans league would be perma-broke as fuck. If it were a moneymaker, it would exist. And all it would take for it to be a moneymaker, would be for most Dems to come watch the games. But that will never ever happen. Because virtue is easiest with other people’s resources, not one’s own money

I couldn't find a stream for the trans team I previously linked.

But I have no idea how to stream soccer.

[unsunghero]

I couldn't find a stream for the trans team I previously linked.

But I have no idea how to stream soccer.

I remember I was into women’s tennis when Serena and sis (Venus?) hit the scene

I remember people saying their serves were blistering fast. I remember thinking “that musculature is borderline unfair! Are they serving as hard as the best men?!” And then I looked it up and…nope ;)

[Botten]

I'd like to submit some legal evidence here. :)



I suspect he is trying to complain about this

Age restriction lifted for gender-affirming surgery in new international guidelines (https://news.northwestern.edu/stories/2022/09/age-restriction-lifted-for-gender-affirming-surgery-in-new-international-guidelines/?fj=1)

Only he has nothing to complain about as seen further in the article:

“Lifting the age restriction will greatly increase access to care for transgender adolescents, but will also result in the need for parental consent for surgeries before doctors would likely perform them,” said Zamantakis, a postdoctoral fellow at Northwestern, who has researched trans youth and resilience. “Additionally, changes in age restriction are not likely to change much in practice in states like Alabama, Arkansas, Texas and Arizona, where gender-affirming care for youth is currently banned.”

Again just a ploy to re-energize the Christian base of the already resulting low output party.

[Elizondo]

I suspect he is trying to complain about this

Age restriction lifted for gender-affirming surgery in new international guidelines (https://news.northwestern.edu/stories/2022/09/age-restriction-lifted-for-gender-affirming-surgery-in-new-international-guidelines/?fj=1)

Only he has nothing to complain about as seen further in the article:



Again just a ploy to re-energize the Christian base of the already resulting low output party.

Did you read your own link?

[Botten]

Did you read your own link?

I read and quoted the parts that pertained to the argument you answered in less than 10 minutes of me posting it. What is your gripe?

[Elizondo]

I read and quoted the parts that pertained to the argument you answered in less than 10 minutes of me posting it. What is your gripe?

You didn't quote the most important paragraph:

The recommendation of requiring documentation of persistent gender incongruence is meant to prevent regret. However, it's important to ask who ultimately has the authority to determine whether individuals have the right to make decisions about their bodily autonomy that they may or may not regret? Cisgender women undergo breast augmentation regularly, which is not an entirely reversible procedure, yet they are not required to have proof of documented incongruence. It is assumed that if they regret the surgery, they will learn to cope with the regret or will have an additional surgery. Transgender individuals also deserve the right to bodily autonomy and ultimately to regret the decisions they make if they later do not align with how they experience themselves.

They are telling you (within your own link) that the ultimate goal is 'gender affirming care' without parental consent

There is no distinction made of the 'Individual's' age and if they regret castrating themselves tough shit

The reality is these procedures are very expensive and The Government is paying for many of them. Planned Parenthood is one of the largest providers of these insane Frankenstein Experiments. $$$$ Grift $$$$

[aussenseiter]

You didn't quote the most important paragraph:



They are telling you (within your own link) that the ultimate goal is 'gender affirming care' without parental consent

There is no distinction made of the 'Individual's' age and if they regret castrating themselves tough shit

The reality is these procedures are very expensive and The Government is paying for many of them. Planned Parenthood is one of the largest providers of these insane Frankenstein Experiments. $$$$ Grift $$$$

That's fine but I assume they don't cut the tits off transwomen .

[unsunghero]

Cisgender women undergo breast augmentation regularly

I like the person saying this finally pushing personal responsibility like suffering regret for one’s choices. Personal responsibility is not a strategy Dems like to push, it doesn’t tend to win elections like blaming oppressors does

But

I think there is one distinct detail missing here. This sounds like it is referring to adults making the decision for breast enlargement (and bravo for that). I coulda swore teens getting breast enlargement are not happening nearly as regularly as adults, and also requires a parent consent

[Botten]

You didn't quote the most important paragraph:



They are telling you (within your own link) that the ultimate goal is 'gender affirming care' without parental consent

There is no distinction made of the 'Individual's' age and if they regret castrating themselves tough shit

The reality is these procedures are very expensive and The Government is paying for many of them. Planned Parenthood is one of the largest providers of these insane Frankenstein Experiments. $$$$ Grift $$$$

I read that it is important to ask who ultimately has authority over the autonomy?

It doesn’t say the minor does and further more it states “Lifting the age restriction will greatly increase access to care for transgender adolescents, but will also result in the need for parental consent for surgeries before doctors would likely perform them”

Regretting surgical breast removal or breast implants by minor isn’t reflecting on the issue it needs parental consent.

You have what you want but your Christian base baaaaaa continues on command.

[unsunghero]

I read that it is important to ask who ultimately has authority over the autonomy?

It doesn’t say the minor does and further more it states “Lifting the age restriction will greatly increase access to care for transgender adolescents, but will also result in the need for parental consent for surgeries before doctors would likely perform them”

Regretting surgical breast removal or breast implants by minor isnÂ’t reflecting on the issue it needs parental consent.

You have what you want but your Christian base baaaaaa continues on command.

It shouldn’t even be an argument

The fight against time here is really about passability. The only group that should have a leg to stand on there are trans women, since they are the ones where puberty can wreck their future passability. And I’m no expert on trans psychology, but it seems passability seems important to them, even if they don’t say that outright. They seem to have a goal as becoming as much like “cis” women as possible. And why wouldn’t they?

But a mastectomy at 16 or one at 18 really makes no difference, the result will be the same. So unless the kid is really going to manipulate the system with the “if I don’t get my way on this I’ll kill myself” (this is just the cynic in me who knows when he is being manipulated and when he’s not, and it’s often I am), doctors should tell them to wait until they are an adult

[Elizondo]

I read that it is important to ask who ultimately has authority over the autonomy?

It doesn’t say the minor does and further more it states “Lifting the age restriction will greatly increase access to care for transgender adolescents, but will also result in the need for parental consent for surgeries before doctors would likely perform them”

Regretting surgical breast removal or breast implants by minor isn’t reflecting on the issue it needs parental consent.

You have what you want but your Christian base baaaaaa continues on command.

You're clearly not educated on this issue

The Left is already sneaking in these procedures in Abortion Amendments to their state constitutions (See Michigan)

They make no distinction on the individual's age. This is not a revelation. When it comes to these issues, The Left does not make a distinction. It's an incremental push further down the rabbit hole of depravity. 10 Years ago it was 'They just want to get married. It's not hurting you."

Now they are stuffing abortion bills with Government funded transgender medical procedures for minors (handled by Planned Parenthood of course) without parental consent

Are you ok with that?

[Botten]

https://mesbahimd.com/blog/what-age-is-considered-too-young-for-breast-augmentation

Can teenagers get breast implants?

Yes. Saline breast implants are approved for use in women 18 years of age and older. There is no minimum age for having breast augmentation, but many surgeons do not offer the procedure for women under 18. In certain cases, minors may undergo breast augmentation to correct abnormalities related to a birth defect or trauma, but patients under 18 must have parental consent for the surgery.

Can I get a breast reduction at 16?

Breast reduction can certainly provide a number of physical and emotional benefits to patients of all ages, including teenagers. Having excessively large or heavy breasts can lead to chronic pain, poor posture, skin conditions, and issues with self-esteem. By removing a portion of the breast tissue and skin, breast reduction allows patients to look and feel more comfortable than ever. However, patients under 18 years of age will still need thorough evaluation and parental consent before undergoing breast reduction surgery.

[Botten]

You're clearly not educated on this issue

The Left is already sneaking in these procedures in Abortion Amendments to their state constitutions (See Michigan)

They make no distinction on the individual's age. This is not a revelation. When it comes to these issues, The Left does not make a distinction. It's an incremental push further down the rabbit hole of depravity. 10 Years ago it was 'They just want to get married. It's not hurting you."

Now they are stuffing abortion bills with Government funded transgender medical procedures for minors (handled by Planned Parenthood of course) without parental consent

Are you ok with that?

Now you are changing the subject and admittedly I need to read up on what you are complaining about.

[unsunghero]

^
Yea I was right on that

Also, breast removal is notably different than augmentation and reduction. Removal means it’s gone forever, so no breastfeeding possibility if they ever realize they wanted to do that

Luckily implants have gotten damn realistic, but the organ is still gone, very unlike aug or reduction

[Landroval]

That’s a damn shame. Virginia isn’t working out, gonna head to Washington next

Make sure you have an in-house garage. They like to cut your catalytic converter out with pipe cutters in the middle of the night; 1200$+ repair depending on where they cut it out along the pipe. Their "profit"? 60$; basically one high

[unsunghero]

Make sure you have an in-house garage. They like to cut your catalytic converter out with pipe cutters in the middle of the night; 1200$+ repair depending on where they cut it out along the pipe. Their "profit"? 60$; basically one high

Yeah work lost all of ours on our 2021 Hybrid Toyota sienna work minivans in a single night

I knew so little about cars when I heard a loud roaring driving it, I at first thought it was the paid landscapers with their leaf blowers. But then I looked around and no landscapers. Then the check engine light came on

We got locking mechanisms for them now. Must be effective because so far so good for almost a year

[Botten]

Ok Ez found this from 6 days ago.

Michigan Democratic governor signs ban on ‘conversion therapy’ for minors (https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/27/politics/michigan-conversion-therapy-ban-minors-whitmer/index.html)

And here is the full number of Michigan issues the state will be voting on.

https://michiganadvance.com/2022/10/05/michigan-has-three-constitutional-amendments-heres-what-youll-see-on-your-nov-8-ballot/

I am not seeing anywhere that gender dysphoria treatment is being expanded.

I am however seeing that Michigan Democratic governor signs ban on ‘conversion therapy’ for minors.

Conversion therapy is horrible and I would hope you agree.
Oh and abortion wouldn’t be in any state election if Republican judges left Roe v Wade alone.

[unsunghero]

Conversion therapy

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DMRkEqIWpWM

[PRogers]

Keep in mind the ONLY reason trans leagues don’t exist is that Dems are hypocrites. They’ll support them online on elf forums, but when it comes time to pay their own money to go watch their shitty boring games, they can go fuck themselves

Same reason why women’s leagues aren’t profitable. “We support women”, but only in the most casual, hands off, least effort way possible

how come you dont show any articles from the USA?

Where are all these women being denied opportunities and jobs? Show some actual harm. Getting hurt in rugby, RUGBY, is expected.

Oh so theres not any actual oppression.

[Origen]

The whole narrative that this is about "protecting kids" is horseshit, especially when you realize how many other conservative policies actively harm children. This has always been about preventing the existence of non-binary people.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/4050524-trans-adults-scramble-for-care-under-new-florida-law/

[Homesteaded]

The whole narrative that this is about "protecting kids" is horseshit, especially when you realize how many other conservative policies actively harm children. This has always been about preventing the existence of non-binary people.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/4050524-trans-adults-scramble-for-care-under-new-florida-law/

*yawn*

[Elizondo]

Now you are changing the subject and admittedly I need to read up on what you are complaining about.

Changing the subject how?

My original point still stands. Your link even further solidified my argument.

Appreciate it

[Elizondo]

Ok Ez found this from 6 days ago.

Michigan Democratic governor signs ban on ‘conversion therapy’ for minors (https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/27/politics/michigan-conversion-therapy-ban-minors-whitmer/index.html)

And here is the full number of Michigan issues the state will be voting on.

https://michiganadvance.com/2022/10/05/michigan-has-three-constitutional-amendments-heres-what-youll-see-on-your-nov-8-ballot/

I am not seeing anywhere that gender dysphoria treatment is being expanded.

I am however seeing that Michigan Democratic governor signs ban on ‘conversion therapy’ for minors.

Conversion therapy is horrible and I would hope you agree.
Oh and abortion wouldn’t be in any state election if Republican judges left Roe v Wade alone.

Do you know what Conversion Therapy is?

[Origen]

*yawn*I can see I hit the nail on the head with you, transphobe

[Landroval]

*yawns*
B-

[Botten]

Changing the subject how?

My original point still stands. Your link even further solidified my argument.

Appreciate it

The link showing that you were wrong EZ?

The links that have all shown that parental permission is necessary for any gender surgery including breast removal or implants.

The Christian base has what they asked for yet you still baaaa on command of GOP politicians desperately trying to make a more than decade therapy a re-energizing movement for an already extremely low energy Conservative Party.

Furthermore Conversion Therapy is horrible!
Trying to change the sexual orientation of a person against THEIR will is absolutely terrible. You should be against conversion therapy. This is 2023 and even the Pope accepts gay or lesbians.

[aussenseiter]

The link showing that you were wrong EZ?

The links that have all shown that parental permission is necessary for any gender surgery including breast removal or implants.

The Christian base has what they asked for yet you still baaaa on command of GOP politicians desperately trying to make a more than decade therapy a re-energizing movement for an already extremely low energy Conservative Party.

Furthermore Conversion Therapy is horrible!
Trying to change the sexual orientation of a person against THEIR will is absolutely terrible. You should be against conversion therapy. This is 2023 and even the Pope accepts gay or lesbians.

no he doesn't (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/pope-francis-says-homosexuality-is-a-sin-but-not-a-crime)

[Trexller]

Pope accepts gay or lesbians.

https://static.wixstatic.com/media/e99e94_b0c38545fd84426dababee61d6cb8f9d~mv2.jpg/v1/fit/w_640%2Ch_428%2Cal_c%2Cq_80,enc_auto/file.jpg

[Origen]

no he doesn't (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/pope-francis-says-homosexuality-is-a-sin-but-not-a-crime)Queue the Tim Minchin song

[Botten]

no he doesn't (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/pope-francis-says-homosexuality-is-a-sin-but-not-a-crime)

Francis quoted the Catechism of the Catholic Church in saying gay people must be welcomed and respected, and should not be marginalized or discriminated against.

“We are all children of God, and God loves us as we are and for the strength that each of us fights for our dignity,” Francis

[Botten]

Trump just got one of most punishing Jan 6th judges for his most recent indictment. Good!

[Trexller]

Francis quoted the Catechism of the Catholic Church in saying gay people must be welcomed and respected, and should not be marginalized or discriminated against.

“We are all children of God, and God loves us as we are and for the strength that each of us fights for our dignity,” Francis

God loves them sure, and he'll still love you as you burn in hell.

[Origen]

Trump just got one of most punishing Jan 6th judges for his most recent indictment. Good!I remain hopeful but skeptical.

[Trexller]

I'll believe it's more than political theater if/when trump goes to prison.

Nothing short of that is anything more than political posturing.

[Botten]

I'll believe it's more than political theater if/when trump goes to prison.

Nothing short of that is anything more than political posturing.

At some point he may be announced some jail time. But this will be wrapped up in legal woahes which is a good thing. We still need DeSantis absolutely humiliated and destroyed - preventing future runs.

Trump as the nominee is causing more and more discouragement - pushing conservative voters away from the poles in 2024. This coupled by their own political leaders saying it is all rigged is helpful to the cause.

Then after we really need some swift actions that then keep it left.
Senate vote changes, new states and increase size of the supreme court.

Want to squash any chance of a crooked state conservative convention.

[Origen]

All you have to do to humiliate Ron DeSantis is to let him talk, he's got negative charisma

Three fingers to eat pudding, sugar shamin', very whiny nerd voice... just hand him the mic.

I do hope he gets to debate Orange Man on a stage somewhere, though, that'll be good tv

[aussenseiter]

The whole narrative that this is about "protecting kids" is horseshit, especially when you realize how many other conservative policies actively harm children. This has always been about preventing the existence of non-binary people.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/4050524-trans-adults-scramble-for-care-under-new-florida-law/

Requiring a physician's order is genocide.

[unsunghero]

how come you dont show any articles from the USA?

Where are all these women being denied opportunities and jobs? Show some actual harm. Getting hurt in rugby, RUGBY, is expected.

Oh so theres not any actual oppression.

No idea what you are talking about here

If making a trans league of any sport was profitable, it would exist. The reason it doesn’t exist, is because it wouldn’t make any money

And the reason it wouldn’t make any money, is that Dems wouldn’t go watch and support them with their business. Simple as that

Not sure why you needed that point repeated

[Origen]

Requiring a physician's order is genocide.It's an unnecessary and cruel obstacle, which is the point, but it isn't genocide.

The first trans concentration camps will probably be in Florida, if the fascists have their way, but even then it's just mere mass murder, not genocide, as trans people aren't a nation or ethnicity.

[aussenseiter]

It's an unnecessary and cruel obstacle, which is the point, but it isn't genocide.

The first trans concentration camps will probably be in Florida, if the fascists have their way, but even then it's just mere mass murder, not genocide, as trans people aren't a nation or ethnicity.

Fascism is when doctors instead of nurses.

[Homesteaded]

Prosecuting a presidential candidate over a crime that was recently not pursued because the defendant was an active presidential candidate. Nothing to see here.

[Trexller]

yeah Trump getting another indictment the day after that dude testifies before congress on all the Biden Family Fuckery is sus AF

[Origen]

Fascism is when doctors instead of nurses.If you're gonna be Ooloo I'm gonna treat you like Ooloo

[aussenseiter]

If you're gonna be Ooloo I'm gonna treat you like Ooloo

"Never argue with Wobblies, you get stabbed and the Wobbly likes it."

[unsunghero]

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/4050524-trans-adults-scramble-for-care-under-new-florida-law/

It’s funny, I don’t see “gender affirming care” as all that different from PED’s, it’s probably mostly hormones and drugs to mitigate the side effects from these

People in the fitness community have for DECADES now figured out how to get the drugs they want from UGL’s (underground labs), including drugs for side effects

Find a UGL, check Trustpilot for reviews on whether you are getting actual stuff and not fake stuff. Ez

People will find a way regardless of laws

[Origen]

It’s funny, I don’t see “gender affirming care” as all that different from PED’s, it’s probably mostly hormones and drugs to mitigate the side effects from these

People in the fitness community have for DECADES now figured out how to get the drugs they want from UGL’s (underground labs), including drugs for side effects

Find a UGL, check Trustpilot for reviews on whether you are getting actual stuff and not fake stuff. Ez

People will find a way regardless of lawsThat's probably true. I know a lot of folks who get their adderall and what-have-you on the street because it's cheaper and there's less paperwork both ways.

The fascists will throw the book at them if they get caught, but that's already how we deal with drug dealers nationwide so that's nothing new.

[unsunghero]

That's probably true. I know a lot of folks who get their adderall and what-have-you on the street because it's cheaper and there's less paperwork both ways.

The fascists will throw the book at them if they get caught, but that's already how we deal with drug dealers nationwide so that's nothing new.

For adderall you might get in some trouble, for testosterone no

It’s the lowest tier “scheduled substance”, I personally have never heard of anyone ever getting in trouble for buying some for personal use, only (usually fitness influencers) people buying huge amounts in bulk to re-sell at gyms

[Origen]

I don't know enough about the specific meds needed for each person to say. I hope that they get the meds they need, whatever they are, legally or illegally.

Sad to see supposed "small government" people using government to interfere with medical care for people based on ignorant, unreasonable assumptions.

[Trexller]

Sad to see supposed "small government" people using government to interfere with medical care for people based on ignorant, unreasonable assumptions.

It's up to the states, where it belongs and as it should be.

[unsunghero]

I don't know enough about the specific meds needed for each person to say. I hope that they get the meds they need, whatever they are, legally or illegally.

Sad to see supposed "small government" people using government to interfere with medical care for people based on ignorant, unreasonable assumptions.

Yea I dunno, for trans men it’s for sure testosterone and possibly an estrogen blocker like anastrozole

For trans women it would be estrogen (not too familiar with this, it could be a pill or an injection, I’m almost thinking pill), and an androgen blocker, probably similar to what my uncle had to take for prostate cancer

The fitness community has even worked around not having a doctor checking up on them. Anyone can still get a blood test whenever they want at a local lab, then sometimes people will post their results on forums like Reddit and ask for advice. Wouldn’t be surprised if the trans forum starts figuring out what levels should be through some posters having a medical background there

[Botten]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/fbi-finds-200-sex-trafficking-victims-59-missing-children-two-week-swe-rcna97580

The FBI found 200 sex trafficking victims and more than 125 suspects during a two-week child exploitation operation in July, federal officials said Tuesday.

During "Operation Cross County," the FBI located 59 victims of child sex trafficking and child sexual exploitation and 59 missing children.

The FBI teamed with state and local agencies to identify or arrest 126 suspects of child sexual exploitation and human trafficking and 68 suspected traffickers.

And

FBI Forced to Turn Over Docs on Targeting Catholics and Parents (https://washingtonstand.com/news/fbi-forced-to-turn-over-docs-on-targeting-catholics-and-parents)

My question is... What churches got raided?!??!?

[aussenseiter]

It's up to the states, where it belongs and as it should be.

Is that what small government means? I was told it means complete anarchy.

[Ooloo]

How many times has rob said fascist today? I'm checking in late.

Who and\or what is fascist this time?

[Origen]

It's up to the states, where it belongs and as it should be.This is the most bullshit out of all the bullshit conservatives vomit, every godawful program they cook up they try to impose on everyone

[Origen]

How many times has rob said fascist today? I'm checking in late.

Who and\or what is fascist this time?It's easy to search, and I say it alot because this forum is chock full of 'em and I talk about chuds a lot.

You talk baseball, you talk the game

[aussenseiter]

This is the most bullshit out of all the bullshit conservatives vomit, every godawful program they cook up they try to impose on everyone

States are unitary (https://www.britannica.com/topic/unitary-state)

[Trexller]

every godawful program they cook up they try to impose on everyone

https://dmh.lacounty.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/progress-pride-2021.jpg

[Origen]

States are unitary (https://www.britannica.com/topic/unitary-state)At least this isn't some Catholic website

[Origen]

https://dmh.lacounty.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/progress-pride-2021.jpgAll of those people predate the existence of America, bigot

[aussenseiter]

At least this isn't some Catholic website

What I mean is that no matter what states do, it is imposed on everyone.

Even if you like it!

[Landroval]

This is the most bullshit out of all the bullshit conservatives vomit, every godawful program they cook up they try to impose on everyone

The lack of self-awareness in this post is astounding. Pure projection.

[Trexller]

All of those people predate the existence of America, bigot

no, they don't.

after all the wars were fought, and infrastructure was built, then they showed up expecting treatment superior to the average citizen

you wanna know why? nobody gives a shit about gender when everyone lives under threat of scalping or smallpox.

this alphabet people movement is a result of having no actual threats to deal with as one lives their life. Living in the USA is easy as fuck.

this lifestyle is a fad, the trendy issue of the day.

[Origen]

Bro science garbage

[unsunghero]

A BILLION YEARS IN PRISON FOR YOU

If it’s true, it’s ridiculous

If it’s not true, it’s still ridiculous

[Ooloo]

Everyone knows that to be oppressed is to have laws passed to protect you from even slight discomforts like words you don't like, million dollar endorsement deals, having your flag flown at the white house etc.. what a rough life!

I've made the point a million times but it bears repeating: when your identity (and income) is tied to fighting "oppression", you have a perverse incentive to ignore any progress that actually occurs. Bigotry is worse than EVER, you see, because now it's hidden (conveniently)! Please continue to pay me!

Or as douglas murray put it: the gay rights movement began as something laudable, and then just as the train of victory was rolling nicely into the station somebody slammed on the gas and they went flying past it, completely out of control.

[Trexller]

i said it a decade ago when Homobama legalized gay marriage that these people aren't interested in civil rights, they seek superior rights.

[Origen]

If you want to pay me to shut up, Ooloo, that's a conversation we can have. This reactionary, fascist-friendly forum is not that important to me.

[Lune]

Everyone knows that to be oppressed is to have laws passed to protect you from even slight discomforts like words you don't like, million dollar endorsement deals, having your flag flown at the white house etc.. what a rough life!

I've made the point a million times but it bears repeating: when your identity (and income) is tied to fighting "oppression", you have a perverse incentive to ignore any progress that actually occurs. Bigotry is worse than EVER, you see, because now it's hidden (conveniently)! Please continue to pay me!

Or as douglas murray put it: the gay rights movement began as something laudable, and then just as the train of victory was rolling nicely into the station somebody slammed on the gas and they went flying past it, completely out of control.

It's called mission creep, and the same thing happened with feminism, and all the mission creep became intersectional. But your error is thinking the batshit crazy stuff that goes on at college campuses or on social media is what most people actually think and believe.

[Trexller]

forum isn't fascist-friendly, it's reality-friendly

the modern liberal doesn't believe that only gender is fluid, they believe that all of reality is fluid, and that the lone simple belief of one can dictate reality for the universe.

you have all conflated what you wish the world to be, for what it actually is.

This is why the ground you stand on cannot be more solid than the giant inflatable rainbow on which you all ride.

[cd288]

i said it a decade ago when Homobama legalized gay marriage that these people aren't interested in civil rights, they seek superior rights.

I think we need to be careful about painting everyone on one side or the other with a broad brush. That's one of the problems with the spread of social media and the internet. The loudest and most vocal people always tend to be the most extreme, which can lead all of us to the assumption that everyone on that side is that way or believes X, Y, or Z.

In reality, we're just hearing people who represent minorities of both sides (extreme left and extreme right) and we shouldn't let it color our opinions. It would be like basing your opinions of Republicans off of Ooloo...you'd end up thinking every single Republican is an uneducated conspiracy theorist which we are not.

[unsunghero]

i said it a decade ago when Homobama legalized gay marriage that these people aren't interested in civil rights, they seek superior rights.

It is unique how important it seems to be to be affirmed by the public versus by oneself

This really isn’t done for any other characteristic. You don’t see me going around telling people “I identify as buff, and if you don’t call me buff, it’s going to basically ruin my life. I’m buff right? Say I’m buff. Say it. Say it!!”

To me it all just seems so insecure

[Origen]

I don't think it's so audacious to want equal protection under the law, nor is it so insane to resist the state interfering in your medical care for no logical reason.

If we follow conservative anti-trans logic, we should also ban all contact sports for anyone under 18 but I am sure that would meet with bipartisan resistance. Far more common, can potentially harm children, and widely practiced without explicit doctor sign-off.

Not that I'd actually go for a ban like that, it's stupid, just like anti-trans legislation.

[Trexller]

It is unique how important it seems to be to be affirmed by the public versus by oneself

This really isn’t done for any other characteristic. You don’t see me going around telling people “I identify as buff, and if you don’t call me buff, it’s going to basically ruin my life. I’m buff right? Say I’m buff. Say it. Say it!!”

To me it all just seems so insecure

Yeah agreed, alphabet people are the most insecure group the world has ever known. It's not enough to pass laws in their favor, and fly flags and banners and have openly queer people in positions of power.

These people demand that you affirm their existence with your own words an actions, they aren't demanding recognition, they are demanding fealty. They seek to force us all to bend the knee and kiss the ring.

For fucks sake, they have parades where they all basically walk around in man-lingerie and expect to be applauded.

[Homesteaded]

It is unique how important it seems to be to be affirmed by the public versus by oneself

This really isn’t done for any other characteristic. You don’t see me going around telling people “I identify as buff, and if you don’t call me buff, it’s going to basically ruin my life. I’m buff right? Say I’m buff. Say it. Say it!!”

To me it all just seems so insecure

It's because they are mentally ill.

[Origen]

Like I said, no logical reason. Just low information bias.

[Trexller]

Like I said, no logical reason. Just low information bias.

a woman dresses slutty and behaves like a bimbo and society tells her she is degrading the work feminists have done to advance the image of the strong, capable woman.

a man dresses slutty and behaves like a bimbo, and society tells him he is strong, brave and ground breaking.

a woman trains her entire life for a sporting event and places first, she is awarded a medal.

a man who places average in a sporting even against other men, suddenly decides on his own that he's no longer a man, and competes against the first-place woman, and blows her record out of the water (some cases, literally water)

that man is then given the medal that the woman deserves, and is then hailed as brave, strong and groundbreaking.

[Lune]

It's because they are mentally ill.

Another human told you God told him to tell you to live your life a certain way, and you listened to him, and they are the mentally ill ones, got it.

[aussenseiter]

I don't think it's so audacious to want equal protection under the law, nor is it so insane to resist the state interfering in your medical care for no logical reason.

If we follow conservative anti-trans logic, we should also ban all contact sports for anyone under 18 but I am sure that would meet with bipartisan resistance. Far more common, can potentially harm children, and widely practiced without explicit doctor sign-off.

Not that I'd actually go for a ban like that, it's stupid, just like anti-trans legislation.

Who's not receiving equal protection?

I can think of plenty of logical reasons for the state to intervene, but you won't like me saying them.

[Origen]

Who's not receiving equal protection?

I can think of plenty of logical reasons for the state to intervene, but you won't like me saying them.That was in response to Trexller trying to connect modern trans issues to gay marriage. Thankfully, gay marriage is protected now but I am sure they are working to overturn that.

There are obviously plenty of reasons to outlaw various unethical medical procedures, but I have not seen any good ones to outlaw gender transition therapy in adults or minors.

I've seen a shitload of bad reasoning from the jackals on this board pertaining to gender transition therapy, but nothing logically sound.

Lawmakers, however, don't need good reasons to pass bad laws and never have.

[aussenseiter]

Thankfully, gay marriage is protected now but I am sure they are working to overturn that.

It's become a rather public affair to be protected under privacy. *giggles to self*

[Origen]

It's become a rather public affair to be protected under privacy. *giggles to self*Glad we had this talk

[aussenseiter]

Glad we had this talk

How could a petitioner qualify for relief there?

Moot moot moot moot moot moot moot moot moot (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTunhRVyREU)

[PRogers]

The link showing that you were wrong EZ?

The links that have all shown that parental permission is necessary for any gender surgery including breast removal or implants.

The Christian base has what they asked for yet you still baaaa on command of GOP politicians desperately trying to make a more than decade therapy a re-energizing movement for an already extremely low energy Conservative Party.

Furthermore Conversion Therapy is horrible!
Trying to change the sexual orientation of a person against THEIR will is absolutely terrible. You should be against conversion therapy. This is 2023 and even the Pope accepts gay or lesbians.

They will let you marry an adult as a child in their religion but no medical stuff.

[PRogers]

a woman dresses slutty and behaves like a bimbo and society tells her she is degrading the work feminists have done to advance the image of the strong, capable woman.

a man dresses slutty and behaves like a bimbo, and society tells him he is strong, brave and ground breaking.

a woman trains her entire life for a sporting event and places first, she is awarded a medal.

a man who places average in a sporting even against other men, suddenly decides on his own that he's no longer a man, and competes against the first-place woman, and blows her record out of the water (some cases, literally water)

that man is then given the medal that the woman deserves, and is then hailed as brave, strong and groundbreaking.

So she didnt get a trophy? Everyone should get a trophy? Is that what this is about??

Where is the actual HARM? Where is the contract to the WNBA, LPGA, WTA, or any paying position on a professional sports team that was stolen by the meanie trans people?

Spots at the olympics?

You got "they didnt get a medal" like ten times in human history as far as I can tell.

You heard it here folks, everyone should get a medal.

This is why I like motorsport. Doesnt matter what pp you want at 200 mph.

[Origen]

How could a petitioner qualify for relief there?

Moot moot moot moot moot moot moot moot moot (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTunhRVyREU)Leftists don't trust liberals. That distinction is lost on dumb reactionaries here but I don't think it's lost on you.

I'm not mad. I'm just disappointed.

[magnetaress]

The state shouldn't govern marriages at all.

No bonuses either.

[magnetaress]

https://dmh.lacounty.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/progress-pride-2021.jpg

This flag gave me a seizure and made me vomit.

And I actually enjoy rainbows.

[magnetaress]

What is the dark black chevron supposed to represent? Marylin manson?

[aussenseiter]

Leftists don't trust liberals. That distinction is lost on dumb reactionaries here but I don't think it's lost on you.

I'm not mad. I'm just disappointed.

Drag shows I guess.

Lawrence wouldn't apply to public conduct I guess, but Shakespeare was a spoony bard.

Males playing females might satisfy Glucksberg.

[Landroval]

They will let you marry an adult as a child in their religion but no medical stuff.

I wouldn't. My 17, 15, and 14 year old daughters are virgins.

I sure do love m some fried chicken, watermelon, black eyed peas, though. Fidna throw down some chitlins real soon here, too.

[Landroval]

All black people have their daughter's genitals mutilated, yet, they're still welcomed by the commies

[Landroval]

All Muslims have child-brides, yet, they're still a pet-minority of the commies

[Origen]

Drag shows I guess.

Lawrence wouldn't apply to public conduct I guess, but Shakespeare was a spoony bard.

Males playing females might satisfy Glucksberg.Can't tell if this is a deliberate attempt to waste my time or just the usual "decode this post" stuff, not interested enough to figure out which

[Lune]

All Muslims have child-brides, yet, they're still a pet-minority of the commies

I heard if you focus on the foibles of the enemy tribe it helps you ignore the theft and corruption within your own

[Landroval]

According to commies, it's ok to buttfuck little boys as long as they consent, because some homos tried to get it legalized in France.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_petition_against_age_of_consent_laws

[Landroval]

I heard if you focus on the foibles of the enemy tribe it helps you ignore the theft and corruption within your own

Just applying the same logic dumbass.

[Landroval]

Are you aware that, in prison, the blacks are the only racial group who will allow child molesters to roll in their "car".

This means all commies are child molesters or child molester sympathizers

[Lune]

The blacks, the commies, the liberals, the gays, the muslims, the trans, they're always trying to get one over on you aren't they!

Reading the dumbassery in this thread, you'd think a straight white man never committed a crime. In terms of aggregate damage to society, they commit the vast majority of the crime.

Robbing a gas station is a very visible crime. White collar fraud and political corruption are very damaging crimes.

[Landroval]

Btw,

"It would be better for them to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around their neck than to cause one of these little ones to stumble." Luke 17:2.

Christianity technically forbids child molestation, while your pet Muslims approve of child molestation within their own doctrines.

[Landroval]

The blacks, the commies, the liberals, the gays, the muslims, the trans, they're always trying to get one over on you aren't they!

Reading the dumbassery in this thread, you'd think a straight white man never committed a crime. In terms of aggregate damage to society, they commit the vast majority of the crime.

Robbing a gas station is a very visible crime. White collar fraud and political corruption are very damaging crimes.


You sound like a butthurt little bitch because your own retarded logic was used to showcase your stupidity. And you are a Commie, bitch. That's literally your ideological preference as an ideal societal framework. Go fuck yourself.

Oxymoronically, you view Russia as the bad guys to boot. They're literally the pioneers of your utopic vision for the world.

[aussenseiter]

I heard if you focus on the foibles of the enemy tribe it helps you ignore the theft and corruption within your own

What theft and corruption?

Also I didn't know child marriage was a foible. :(

[Lune]

butthurt little bitch retarded stupidity. And you are a Commie, bitch. Go fuck yourself.

lol

What theft and corruption?

Also I didn't know child marriage was a foible. :(

I view the left's tolerance of religious fundamentalism, especially when it comes to Sharia Law, as misguided but really more a foible than anything else because after all.... it's tolerance. I think the French have it right in this area.

[Origen]

Type "child marriage in usa" in your favorite search engine and let the horrors commence

[aussenseiter]

Type "child marriage in usa" in your favorite search engine and let the horrors commence

It looks like R&J laws but for nagging.

[Landroval]

lol



I view the left's tolerance of religious fundamentalism, especially when it comes to Sharia Law, as misguided but really more a foible than anything else because after all.... it's tolerance. I think the French have it right in this area.

The French have been trying to make it legal to fuck little boys for over 40 years.

Foucault, Deleuze, and Derrida literally spent their dying (from AIDS) years petitioning French Parliament for abolishment of all age of consent laws, calling forth testimony from compromised pediatricians saying consensual sex between grown men and little boys as young as the age of seven is NOT harmful to their physical, mental, and emotional health.

These are the pioneers of modern day leftism; their bullshit is still aggrandized by academia to this day

[Elizondo]

The link showing that you were wrong EZ?

The links that have all shown that parental permission is necessary for any gender surgery including breast removal or implants.

Are you stupid or what? Those are guidelines (age lowered incrementalism inc) and the last paragraph says the ultimate goal is "body autonomy" regardless of age

I already explained to you that Michigan has passed an abortion amendment that allows minors access to "gender affirming care" (Government Paid for) without parental consent

[Origen]

https://i.imgur.com/hPZcvSh.jpeg

[aussenseiter]

The French have been trying to make it legal to fuck little boys for over 40 years.

Foucault, Deleuze, and Derrida literally spent their dying (from AIDS) years petitioning French Parliament for abolishment of all age of consent laws, calling forth testimony from compromised pediatricians saying consensual sex between grown men and little boys as young as the age of seven is NOT harmful to their physical, mental, and emotional health.

These are the pioneers of modern day leftism; their bullshit is still aggrandized by academia to this day

It's no secret that the French are now perverts.

But they weren't before. Not like this.

Score one for Louis Alphonse, Duke of Anjou, head of the House of Bourbon! (https://twitter.com/louisducdanjou?lang=en)

[unsunghero]

Are you stupid or what? Those are guidelines (age lowered incrementalism inc) and the last paragraph says the ultimate goal is "body autonomy" regardless of age

I already explained to you that Michigan has passed an abortion amendment that allows minors access to "gender affirming care" (Government Paid for) without parental consent

Would not surprise me if that was the goal

Of course, rather than opt for let’s have these very smart very credentialed counselors and doctors change your parent’s mind about gender affirming care

Rather…

Let’s just let the kid sneak it. And I would not put it past that medical community to say, not only are we not going to try to change the parent’s mind and instead let the kid sneak it…but let’s also let the kid sneak it at as young an age as we think we can get away with (which I’m sure will have a downward trend)

[Origen]

It's no secret that the French are now perverts.

But they weren't before. Not like this.

Score one for Louis Alphonse, Duke of Anjou, head of the House of Bourbon! (https://twitter.com/louisducdanjou?lang=en)I think... I think I get this joke...

[unsunghero]

Also, if we are comparing breast augmentation to breast removal, I personally don’t see why a kid should be allowed either before 18

But let’s pretend that breast augmentation WAS illegal for minors. Parent permission wouldn’t change that. If a kid gave the impression (and a lot of people communicate being suicidal or have minor attempts first) that they were suicidal because they couldn’t get a breast augmentation, the parent and doctors wouldn’t say “oh in that case, sure you can get whatever size boobs you want”, they would just hospitalize the kid in a psych hospital to keep them safe and transition them back home with extra supervision and security measures in place

But for something far more risky and costly than breast augmentation, which is the complete removal of the organ, the medical community has decided, “if you leverage your suicidality, we will give in on this. And we might even give in someday without your parent even ever knowing”

It’s fucking weird to me

[aussenseiter]

Also, if we are comparing breast augmentation to breast removal, I personally don’t see why a kid should be allowed either before 18

But let’s pretend that breast augmentation WAS illegal for minors. Parent permission wouldn’t change that. If a kid gave the impression (and a lot of people communicate being suicidal or have minor attempts first) that they were suicidal because they couldn’t get a breast augmentation, the parent and doctors wouldn’t say “oh in that case, sure you can get whatever size boobs you want”, they would just hospitalize the kid in a psych hospital to keep them safe and transition them back home with extra supervision and security measures in place

But for something far more risky and costly than breast augmentation, which is the complete removal of the organ, the medical community has decided, “if you leverage your suicidality, we will give in on this. And we might even give in someday without your parent even ever knowing”

It’s fucking weird to me

There's an irony in the pro-trans Left arguing parents rights against the policies of "fascists" like Ron DeSoros.

Appeal to authority.

[Botten]

Are you stupid or what? Those are guidelines (age lowered incrementalism inc) and the last paragraph says the ultimate goal is "body autonomy" regardless of age

I already explained to you that Michigan has passed an abortion amendment that allows minors access to "gender affirming care" (Government Paid for) without parental consent

Body autonomy is always a factor to consider.

You need parental consent to get breast augmentation or to have breast tissue removed if you are are a minor. (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3630988&postcount=3391) Get out of here. I gave you medical links you don't even have your own research.

Oh and...

Fact Check: Michigan law similar to Ohio’s abortion amendment didn’t get rid of parental consent (https://ohiocapitaljournal.com/2023/04/26/fact-check-michigan-law-similar-to-ohios-abortion-amendment-didnt-get-rid-of-parental-consent/)

Now go claim some one is unhinged other than yourself in a triggered reflective outcry.

[aussenseiter]

There's an irony in the pro-trans Left arguing parents rights against the policies of "fascists" like Ron DeSoros.

Appeal to authority.

pUCQQID0Pkk

[unsunghero]

There's an irony in the pro-trans Left arguing parents rights against the policies of "fascists" like Ron DeSoros.

Appeal to authority.

Ya, parents have rights until it comes time to have some say in public education, then even though their tax dollars fund it, if they don’t like the form it takes, they have the right to go fuck themselves and pull their kid out and homeschool them themselves

The left thinks the legal system is systemically biased unless it’s a black DA throwing a bunch of charges at a white former president. And cops are racist but the FBI is pretty awesome

And the right has their own hypocrisies I’m sure

[aussenseiter]

Ya, parents have rights until it comes time to have some say in public education, then even though their tax dollars fund it, if they don’t like the form it takes, they have the right to go fuck themselves and pull their kid out and homeschool them themselves

It's a double burden and violates equal protection.

Everyone agrees that children should receive an education, but parents who think the public system doesn't do a good job have to pay "double" to do it otherwise.

That's wrong and only DeSoros has said it and done anything about it among the primary field.

[Botten]

It looks like R&J laws but for nagging.

When I confess there's no truth, demons remain sleepless in-love with blood starved souls forgotten.

Between birth and death lies will whisper deepest divide before the living

Lies do fashion with the images of angelic faces.

If grown into a stillness, we will respond lies.

The truth laid out to way? Rest well ... die cold

I know the method lips drawn wide to turn and bow

To smile, behind the biting thumb.

Each of us dance well in lies, the hand, the handle and the sword.

(meh D4 is down)

[unsunghero]

It's a double burden and violates equal protection.

Everyone agrees that children should receive an education, but parents who think the public system doesn't do a good job have to pay "double" to do it otherwise.

That's wrong and only DeSoros has said it and done anything about it among the primary field.

Wait, what the fuck even is SB5599?

The right for youth for “safe” shelter?

I get so sick of complete misuse of the word “safe”. We already have agencies in place to shelter a child from an unsafe home, which is CPS. So this bill seems to be clearly trying to circumvent the CPS investigative process, and fudge the living shit out of the word “safe” to allow kids to essentially have parental rights severed without the necessary abuse/neglect qualifications, aka no CPS investigation

Remember, all someone has to do to manipulate the living shit out of the left is say “I don’t feel ‘safe’”

Such a sick abuse of language

[Origen]

The left thinks the legal system is systemically biased unless it’s a black DA throwing a bunch of charges at a white former president. And cops are racist but the FBI is pretty awesome

And the right has their own hypocrisies I’m sureThere are times when the law does the right thing and the wrong thing, or right thing wrong reason, wrong thing right reason.

And he's orange, not white.

[Landroval]

There is Truth, though. The statement "there is no truth" is an "objective" epistemological claim to the truth of its own utterance, so the statement violates it's own premise.

In the realm of psychology there is a phenomenon referred to as cognitive dissonance. This phenomenon serves as a double edged sword, capable of exorcising bullshit, and wisdom alike.

It ultimately takes on the form of Pride, and projects humiliation reactionarily in an attempt to humble those who would make it cognizant of it's shameful humiliation of unknowingness.

Pride and Humility are in syzygy; conjugates of each other akin to the sine of an angle being conjugate of that same angle's cosecant.

Oscillating about the mean; Pride and Humility exist upon a continuum of acknowledgement and rejecting of Truth.

As such, "Truth" exists at the mean of Pride and Humility; a finite arcsecond of realization; quickly lost to pride and humility alike, but exists at that means nonetheless.


Ultimately, Pride is a rejection of Truth; it boasts of its strengths to hide from us, the weakness of our failures and shortcomings.

Pride hides Truth from others; shame hides Truth from ourselves.

The conjugate of shame is wisdom, and the syzygy too oscillates about the mean of Truth akin to the cosine and the secant of that very same angle we momentarily find ourselves in as we struggle with Truth.

But Truth exists, nonetheless at the origin of that quadratic graph; the zeroith, the hub.

If there is no such thing as Truth, there is also no such thing as a lie; and that is demonstrably false.

[Elizondo]

Body autonomy is always a factor to consider.

You need parental consent to get breast augmentation or to have breast tissue removed if you are are a minor. (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3630988&postcount=3391) Get out of here. I gave you medical links you don't even have your own research.

Oh and...

Fact Check: Michigan law similar to Ohio’s abortion amendment didn’t get rid of parental consent (https://ohiocapitaljournal.com/2023/04/26/fact-check-michigan-law-similar-to-ohios-abortion-amendment-didnt-get-rid-of-parental-consent/)

Now go claim some one is unhinged other than yourself in a triggered reflective outcry.

lol Left Wing "Fact Check"

Another Botten Fail

It's in there. The language is clear. Go read it.