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Origen
08-21-2023, 01:59 PM
the body count of communism is well over 100 million from just Stalin and Mao
you fucking moronWhew, good thing they weren't communists
Elizondo
08-21-2023, 02:08 PM
Whew, good thing they weren't communists
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Trexller
08-21-2023, 02:08 PM
Whew, good thing they weren't communists
Joseph Stalin served as General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union from 1922 to 1952
Joseph Stalin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin)
which he led as the chairman of the Chinese Communist Party from the establishment of the PRC in 1949 until his death in 1976. Ideologically a Marxist–Leninist
Mao Zedong (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong)
uneducated moron, just stop wasting oxygen already
here's a bonus
Ideologically a Marxist–Leninist and a Khmer ethnonationalist, he was a leading member of Cambodia's communist movement
Pol Pot (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pol_Pot)
Origen
08-21-2023, 02:13 PM
You fellas are too easy to manipulate, lol
Trexller
08-21-2023, 02:16 PM
You fellas are too easy to manipulate, lol
says the guy who believes capitalism < communism
Origen
08-21-2023, 02:30 PM
says the guy who believes capitalism < communismNow, I'm not a math nerd...
Trexller
08-21-2023, 02:33 PM
Now, I'm not a math nerd...
apparently you aren't an anything nerd, everything you believe about the world conflicts with actual reality
Origen
08-21-2023, 02:35 PM
There is no objective reality, rookie
Trexller
08-21-2023, 02:39 PM
There is no objective reality, rookie
if i drop an apple, it will fall toward the earth
magnetaress
08-21-2023, 02:40 PM
whell one thing communists are good at is getting ppl out working in the fields eventually even if its after the collapse
PRogers
08-21-2023, 02:41 PM
lol guilty of what? You're pearl clutching your fantasies and making a spectacle of yourself.
No Trump Russian collusion
Proven 100%
Only the dumbest people ever to exist in human history still believe that hoax narrative
He's not on trial four times for his russian connections. His
Origen
08-21-2023, 02:43 PM
No, see, he said proven 100%. That's why the case just got dropped. And remember, you're the one clutching to fantasies if you.... uh.... believe the courts have... power?
It's funny when Elizondo projects, he can't even do that right
Toxigen
08-21-2023, 02:45 PM
trans flag man accuses others of clutching to fantasies
PRogers
08-21-2023, 02:49 PM
the body count of communism is well over 100 million from just Stalin and Mao
you fucking moron
Whats the body county of capitalism?
The entire slave trade for all of human history.
Leopold II took over and enslaved the ENTIRE CONGO in the name of capitalism and free labor.
Paying off your nations loans with your food stores which caused famines, thats capitalism. (chinese famine)
Weird how the result of all these capitalist policies in those socialist paradises ended in their demise.
Almost like you cant call it socialism, then enact capitalist policies, then blame socialism for the collapse.
PRogers
08-21-2023, 02:51 PM
Proud boys facing 20+ years in prison. Tarrio is facing 30 years!!
I thought they were all innocent and it was a tour.
I guess when you admit it in your communications that you're actually trying a coup on the USA, you face 30+ years in prison.
Elizondo
08-21-2023, 02:55 PM
Rob posting on multiple accounts again
So obvious, desperate and pathetic
Origen
08-21-2023, 03:00 PM
What makes it so obvious, Elizondo? Please help me improve my multi-account astroturfing, thanks in advance
Trexller
08-21-2023, 03:17 PM
Whats the body county of capitalism?
The entire slave trade for all of human history.
Leopold II took over and enslaved the ENTIRE CONGO in the name of capitalism and free labor.
Paying off your nations loans with your food stores which caused famines, thats capitalism. (chinese famine)
Weird how the result of all these capitalist policies in those socialist paradises ended in their demise.
Almost like you cant call it socialism, then enact capitalist policies, then blame socialism for the collapse.
i guess you watched 'the woman king' -- did you know that the entire film is fictional revisionist history?
africans were trading their own people as slaves amongst themselves for millennia before europeans showed up
when europeans landed on africa, the first guy they met said, "Yo bro, watchu needs? yu tryna buy sum slaves?"
unsunghero
08-21-2023, 03:22 PM
i guess you watched 'the woman king' -- did you know that the entire film is fictional revisionist history?
africans were trading their own people as slaves amongst themselves for millennia before europeans showed up
when europeans landed on africa, the first guy they met said, "Yo bro, watchu needs? yu tryna buy sum slaves?"
Yea but Africans were the ones to abolish slavery across the world
Jk. I hear some places like Libya still practice it
Trump Voters Trust Ex-President More than their Family and Friends (https://www.newsweek.com/trump-voters-trust-ex-president-more-their-family-friends-poll-1821138)
Totally not a cult lol. Bunch of branded sex slaves. Hope yall are pitching in your retirements for his legal bills.
https://i.imgur.com/V8QBQQJ.jpg
Trexller
08-21-2023, 03:40 PM
Trump Voters Trust Ex-President More than their Family and Friends (https://www.newsweek.com/trump-voters-trust-ex-president-more-their-family-friends-poll-1821138)
Totally not a cult lol. Bunch of branded sex slaves. Hope yall are pitching in your retirements for his legal bills.
so a buncha liberals wrote an article and published it in their liberal rag and you believed it?
sounds right
why do you libtards not understand that trump is free content for any journalist, and the longer he's around then the longer that their job will be easy
it's liberals who want trump around, not conservatives
liberals just wanna bitch, and without trump, liberals' list of things to bitch about drops by like 85%
unsunghero
08-21-2023, 03:44 PM
Trump Voters Trust Ex-President More than their Family and Friends (https://www.newsweek.com/trump-voters-trust-ex-president-more-their-family-friends-poll-1821138)
Totally not a cult lol. Bunch of branded sex slaves. Hope yall are pitching in your retirements for his legal bills.
Pretty crazy
But either way it’s a lose-lose. If people on the GOP were shit-talking Trump Dems would say “Lol let them fight!” and if they supported trump they’d say “LOL what a cult!”
There is no correct answer. I prefer conflict to solidarity because conflict means disagreeing opinions and there still seems to be more conflict within the GOP than on the left. Even if it loses elections
Origen
08-21-2023, 04:00 PM
liberals just wanna bitch, and without trump, liberals' list of things to bitch about drops by like 85%You gotta strike while the iron is hot
Botten
08-21-2023, 04:09 PM
…liberals just wanna bitch, and without trump, liberals' list of things to bitch about drops by like 85%
Nothing motivates more than a cause.
And Republicans have given a lot of cause for democrat voters to show up for elections in 2024.
You really can’t say the same for GOP voters who have their own establishment mocking elections.
Trexller
08-21-2023, 04:21 PM
if/when trump finally drops out of the spotlight, liberals are gonna be left with nothing more than gender rights for goldfish
if/when trump finally drops out of the spotlight, liberals are gonna be left with nothing more than gender rights for goldfish
There will always be a new boogeyman for Liberals to chase, they must not be allowed to think, only react with emotion. Thinking is too dangerous.
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But...but... muh needles, muh face diapers! Muh lockdowns!
Dance sheeple. DANCE!
Idiots.
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i think the biggest irony to having covid again is i got full of clots and bruised up everywhere again just like when i had the vaccine the first two times
so lesson learned there
First, I hope you're doing better. Thank you for sharing.
Second, what exactly have you learned?
Ooloo
08-21-2023, 06:14 PM
so a buncha liberals wrote an article and published it in their liberal rag and you believed it?
When I want to get the straight truth about whether oj simpson killed his ex wife and ron goldman, I tune into the johnny cochran channel.
Origen
08-21-2023, 06:16 PM
Facebook uncle zone. Low energy and sad
Origen
08-21-2023, 06:17 PM
When I want to get the straight truth about whether oj simpson killed his ex wife and ron goldman, I tune into the johnny cochran channel.
And when I need to know about the latest developments at the Home Depot and blue collar country musicians, I tune into The Daily Wire
Ooloo
08-21-2023, 06:19 PM
And when I need to know about the latest developments at the Home Depot and blue collar country musicians, I tune into The Daily Wire
Lol you didn't get the analogy did ya?
And when I need to know about the latest developments at the Home Depot and blue collar country musicians, I tune into The Daily Wire
https://media.giphy.com/media/glmRyiSI3v5E4/giphy.gif
magnetaress
08-21-2023, 06:38 PM
Wat indeed.
unsunghero
08-21-2023, 06:40 PM
And when I need to know about the latest developments at the Home Depot and blue collar country musicians, I tune into The Daily Wire
Ain’t just them. Home Deport is just the one where customers fight back
But apparently it’s now a big enough issue to make Yahoo front page news
Origen
08-21-2023, 06:49 PM
Lol you didn't get the analogy did ya?I watched the trial. OJ was clearly framed.
But you do the same thing you're griping at the nebulous liberals for doing
unsunghero
08-21-2023, 06:59 PM
Target probably has the best plan putting out the virtue signal of all those LGBT products
Target: Put out the Virtue Signal
Dems: WTG!
Target: Ok, so we’re losing a lot of money due to rampant crime
Dems: Lol get fucked!
unsunghero
08-21-2023, 10:44 PM
NIMBY
(Response at bottom)
unsunghero
08-21-2023, 10:45 PM
Boomer memes for the purebloods
unsunghero
08-21-2023, 10:47 PM
Inflation what act?
You can barely afford to eat? lol
https://i.imgur.com/Vs0aASE.gif
Disclaimer: This post is mean-spirited and/or elitist because the above poster is too ignorant to realize inflation has been driven overwhelmingly by corporate cartels taking advantage of households flush with cash, but democrat bad, democrat cause bad thing always
Trexller
08-21-2023, 11:41 PM
really good use of that IASIP meme
I tip my top hat
unsunghero
08-22-2023, 12:36 AM
capitalism bad, capitalism bad always and gov’t spending has nothing to do with inflation
Here comes my Ted Talk about the funny internet picture with words at the bottom:
unsunghero
08-22-2023, 12:51 AM
Boomer memes for the purebloods
Dem meme fact checkers:
“Acktually Fauci didn’t mandate the vaccine”
Anyone who feels the need to fact check the internet joke pictures gets an automatic L, IMO
Origen
08-22-2023, 09:34 AM
Here comes my Ted Talk about the funny internet picture with words at the bottom:https://i.imgur.com/AfadgkZ.png
Landroval
08-22-2023, 09:49 AM
Ain’t just them. Home Deport is just the one where customers fight back
But apparently it’s now a big enough issue to make Yahoo front page news
Maybe their pet minorities will help them out in stopping this brash wave of antisemitism from the white supremacists.
unsunghero
08-22-2023, 10:13 AM
Maybe their pet minorities will help them out in stopping this brash wave of antisemitism from the white supremacists.
Hey speaking in their being zero risk of inflation from printing money for frivolous gov’t spending programs, why don’t we just print $1 billion for every black person in America!
Rememeber, it can’t add to inflation so there’s noooooo downsides! We just solved minority poverty yay!
I hope this thread circles back to communism being the solution to everyone else’s greed, to which I say again, the revolution starts with YOUR stuff
Everything you personally own, in your yard out front with this sign, to be picked up by the poor. Otherwise, at the very least admit your own personal greed, Mr Heroes of Their Own Stories
aussenseiter
08-22-2023, 10:26 AM
Hey speaking in their being zero risk of inflation from printing money for frivolous gov’t spending programs, why don’t we just print $1 billion for every black person in America!
He's implied accelerationism before so should support actually doing that. 🤪
Ooloo
08-22-2023, 10:39 AM
https://i.imgur.com/AfadgkZ.png
Lol you sure love you a big list in lieu of a point. I'll guess what it might be: Bad people make money in bad ways sometimes, that's true.
Also there's about 3 billion people currently alive who never would have been born or would have died from malnutrition in childhood without capitalism. So ya know, there's also that fact to consider. Gotta weigh the pros and cons bro; everything is a tradeoff.
Also what's the alternative? You anti-capitalist dorks never propose one. Socialism? Communism? Yeah no mountains of skulls there or anything lol
Homesteaded
08-22-2023, 10:42 AM
https://i.imgur.com/AfadgkZ.png
Still can’t meme.
Botten
08-22-2023, 10:48 AM
aussenseiter - With the changing of your avatar does this mean your days of taking the underdog red pill are over?
https://i.pinimg.com/600x315/82/8b/b1/828bb1696f84e59523e6d0956535a2de.jpg
will we need to wait an entire year for another Reiwa to emerge?
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unsunghero
08-22-2023, 10:49 AM
Hard to not find democrat media spinsters giving what I call the “ABB” explanation to inflation (Anything But Biden):
“The March 2021 Democratic bill included $1,400 payments to every American, $360 billion for state and local governments, and $242 billion in expanded unemployment benefits, among other things.
As lawmakers worked on the measure, some economists, including Larry Summers, a top official under President Barack Obama, warned that the bill would lead to inflation. Fiscal conservatives joined in the warning.
"The American Rescue Plan was far larger than the economy could support," said Marc Goldwein with the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, a group that promotes lower deficits.
In the months that followed, inflation has taken off in the U.S. In March, prices were 8.5% higher than 12 months earlier. Even filtering out the cost of food and energy, which can rise and fall quickly, inflation still ran at a yearly rate of 6.4%.”
“No magic formula can reveal precisely how much the American Rescue Plan fueled inflation, but the general consensus is that it was a contributor. Some economists estimate that it added two percentage points to the rate, some say it added up to four percentage points. Put another way, out of the 8.5% rate in March, the measure accounted for something between one quarter to one half of inflation”
“Michael Strain with the free-market-oriented American Enterprise Institute put the figure at about three points for 2021. Harvard economist and former Obama administration official Jason Furman said it could be as high as four points in 2022”
https://www.wral.com/amp/20247768/
Anyway I’m off to work, a horrible wage slave to teh evil capitalism
aussenseiter
08-22-2023, 11:06 AM
aussenseiter - With the changing of your avatar does this mean your days of taking the underdog red pill are over?
https://i.pinimg.com/600x315/82/8b/b1/828bb1696f84e59523e6d0956535a2de.jpg
will we need to wait an entire year for another Reiwa to emerge?
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Lol good botten post 👍
Origen
08-22-2023, 11:28 AM
Lol you sure love you a big list in lieu of a point. I'll guess what it might be: Bad people make money in bad ways sometimes, that's true.
Also there's about 3 billion people currently alive who never would have been born or would have died from malnutrition in childhood without capitalism. So ya know, there's also that fact to consider. Gotta weigh the pros and cons bro; everything is a tradeoff.
Also what's the alternative? You anti-capitalist dorks never propose one. Socialism? Communism? Yeah no mountains of skulls there or anything lolYou fellas are really terrible when on defense.
Homesteaded
08-22-2023, 12:33 PM
You fellas are really terrible when on defense.
So what’s your answer? Just throw shit and cause chaos?
Origen
08-22-2023, 12:49 PM
So what’s your answer? Just throw shit and cause chaos?No, I answer people who demonstrate an honest willingness to engage. Reactionaries are not usually worth the effort unless I'm in a particularly playful mood.
Oh look! The boogeyman is back! Liberals must be dancing with joy. Masks, lockdowns, social distancing, more needling... YAY!!!1!11!!
Don't forget kids, load up wish as much needle juice as they tell you to! It's for your own good! Just a bit more needling and you'll be safe... they promise! Just a couple weeks of mandates they say, I'm sure it won't go past that... this time. :D
Dance sheeple! DANCE!
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magnetaress
08-22-2023, 02:37 PM
its not the boogeymen ppl should have the right to medically experiment on themselves it just shouldn't be mandatory
yall are reactionaries and herp derps
seriously
anyway covid sux and if a vax was tried and true and didn't have crappy side effects i would want it so i want them to keep experimenting on ppl voulentarily
also since i whole heartedly believe in the CCP and brainchiMping ppl i actually don't mind that they experiment on you aholes (this doesn't align me politicially with anyone) because no one I vote for is going to do this or implement this effectively
so u ppl saying OMG they are nanite stating us
LOL
magnetaress
08-22-2023, 02:39 PM
https://i.imgur.com/AfadgkZ.png
I personally blame russia cauzing famin in hungary sand ukraine also a capitalism problem personally don't believe a lot of communist problems are all their ffault because communisism doesnt exist in a complete vaccuum
won't work until the whole world is north korea
then we will have paradise on earth especially if the 10 commandments are embedded directly on ur brain chips
its not the boogeymen ppl should have the right to medically experiment on themselves it just shouldn't be mandatory
yall are reactionaries and herp derps
seriously
anyway covid sux and if a vax was tried and true and didn't have crappy side effects i would want it so i want them to keep experimenting on ppl voulentarily
also since i whole heartedly believe in the CCP and brainchiMping ppl i actually don't mind that they experiment on you aholes (this doesn't align me politicially with anyone) because no one I vote for is going to do this or implement this effectively
so u ppl saying OMG they are nanite stating us
LOL
That might be the most ridiculous reply I've read in some time. Well done.
That's great. Just keep pumping innocent people full of DNA-altering components and unknown ingredients. It's ok because it's the other guy who's having health problems. Didn't you just post about getting Covid after getting the needle?
Liberals are just flat out insane with evil. You're a bunch of non-thinking sheeple who dance to whatever your handlers tell you to do.
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PRogers
08-22-2023, 02:56 PM
i guess you watched 'the woman king' -- did you know that the entire film is fictional revisionist history?
africans were trading their own people as slaves amongst themselves for millennia before europeans showed up
when europeans landed on africa, the first guy they met said, "Yo bro, watchu needs? yu tryna buy sum slaves?"
No.
"movies" tend to be fake. Its a movie. Do you mean a documentary...? I didnt watch your stupid movie or documentary.
You act like people cant get knowledge from outside of the TV.... Thats called projection.
Slavery was common, all over the world, up until about 300-400 years ago. Pressganging is slavery. British navy did that for centuries. Sold their own people into slavery aboard navy ships. Being Shanghai'd aboard a ship, slavery. Stopping a ship under the threat of being shot to pieces, stealing their crew and enslaving them was also common. British, Dutch, French, if you had a navy, you were doing it.
Either way, you act like people are not allowed to know history if you dont know it.
Did you know the world has known about Leopold II since Leopold II??
Read a fucking book. Not everything comes from TV.
Yeah, if you lose a war, you're going to be enslaved. Conquered, even. When whites do it, no biggie. When blacks do it, OMGGGG CAN YOU BELIEVE THEY SOLD THEIR OWN PEOPLE!?!?! THEY DID IT TO THEMSELVES!!!
Vikings were slavers. English were slavers. French/Normans were slavers. Germans/germanic peoples were slavers. Romans, slavers. Greeks, slavers. Greeks even invented the term "animal with human feet" in reference to their slaves. Chinese, slavers. Mongols, slavers. Arabs, slavers. Ottomans, slavers. Japanese, slavers. Koreans, slavers.
Pretty sure at some point in history, literally every nation state kingdom country or whatever, they were slavers.
I bet all that is "revisionist history" though. Right?
Origen
08-22-2023, 03:05 PM
https://i.imgur.com/Cnk1K5P.jpeg
PRogers
08-22-2023, 03:07 PM
[QUOTE=Ripp;3637805]There will always be a new boogeyman for Liberals to chase, they must not be allowed to think, only react with emotion. Thinking is too dangerous.
/QUOTE]
Like Obama?
Like Hillary?
Like the FBI?
Like the gays?
Like BLM?
Like CRT?
Like trans people?
Like Qanon, whatever happened there.
Like Disney?
Like Budlight?
Like teachers?
Like librarians?
Like public schools?
Like "chicago"
Like "california"
Like the EPA
Like the ATF
Cause those are just the boogeymen I can name off the top of my head on the right.
Trump isnt the boogeyman. He actually did all that shit. He actually stole classified documents. He actually formed a mob to take over the vote count. He actually made that dumbass call asking for more votes.
You saw and heard it all. Boogeymen are not real, idiot. lol
[QUOTE=Ripp;3637805]There will always be a new boogeyman for Liberals to chase, they must not be allowed to think, only react with emotion. Thinking is too dangerous.
/QUOTE]
Like Obama?
Like Hillary?
Like the FBI?
Like the gays?
Like BLM?
Like CRT?
Like trans people?
Like Qanon, whatever happened there.
Like Disney?
Like Budlight?
Like teachers?
Like librarians?
Like public schools?
Like "chicago"
Like "california"
Like the EPA
Like the ATF
Cause those are just the boogeymen I can name off the top of my head on the right.
Trump isnt the boogeyman. He actually did all that shit. He actually stole classified documents. He actually formed a mob to take over the vote count. He actually made that dumbass call asking for more votes.
You saw and heard it all. Boogeymen are not real, idiot. lol
Good news for you. The new needle juice will be available soon so you can load up. It will be good for you. Just make sure you take the four or so boosters otherwise it won't work.
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PRogers
08-22-2023, 03:23 PM
Target probably has the best plan putting out the virtue signal of all those LGBT products
Target: Put out the Virtue Signal
Dems: WTG!
Target: Ok, so we’re losing a lot of money due to rampant crime
Dems: Lol get fucked!
Weird how crime is higher in red counties and states all over the nation.
You dont read much outside of your comfort zone, eh?
https://www.apieceoftravel.com/states-with-the-highest-crime-rate/
America: We're losing a lot of americans from all the murders.
GOP: lol get fucked! If your kids have to die so I can own a gun built for war, I'll never use, so be it.
GOP: oh btw we will TAKE your guns if we dont like you having them. (might want to look up which states grab the most guns, too.)
PRogers
08-22-2023, 03:25 PM
[QUOTE=PRogers;3638162]
Good news for you. The new needle juice will be available soon so you can load up. It will be good for you. Just make sure you take the four or so boosters otherwise it won't work.
Oh damn, I forgot about the vaccines. Another boogeyman coming to turn you into the gay with the nanobots! No no, it was baby pieces in the vaccine, right? Mercury? What was it? I dont remember.
Landroval
08-22-2023, 03:26 PM
I know several dozen lefties who own guns, and a couple of them own AR-15s. My brother in law is as globohomo lame as they get and he took his mom to the shooting range last time she came to visit. Being anti-gun isn't even an organic position for lefties. It's something your retarded fascist leaders are imposing upon democrat voters. Your precious minorities own guns whether they're legally registered or not.
Whether you lean left or you lean right, no one wants to get victimized by your meth and tranq zombies, dumbass.
Ooloo
08-22-2023, 03:39 PM
Oh damn, I forgot about the vaccines. Another boogeyman coming to turn you into the gay with the nanobots! No no, it was baby pieces in the vaccine, right? Mercury? What was it? I dont remember.
The covid vaccines have a significant risk profile for young healthy males, specifically the 2nd dose. It's a perfectly valid concern, especially because young healthy males are at extremely low risk of serious illness from covid itself. The cost\benefit ratio of the vaccines improves dramatically with age, which many european nations have wisely incorporated into policy, whereas the US continues the boneheaded "everyone get it" approach. I'm sorry that none of this seems to concern you.
And before you ask, this guy is my source: https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=ym4rwk0AAAAJ&hl=en
Origen
08-22-2023, 03:39 PM
Join the Socialist Rifle Association or the John Brown Gun Club
[QUOTE=Ripp;3638164]
Oh damn, I forgot about the vaccines. Another boogeyman coming to turn you into the gay with the nanobots! No no, it was baby pieces in the vaccine, right? Mercury? What was it? I dont remember.
I dunno, perhaps the Mercury in your veins is affecting your ability to quote properly.
But no, Pfizer and all the other pharmaceuticals only have your well being in mind, revenue always comes second. Trust the corporations. Trust them. Trust the government.
Trust. Trust. Trust.
And make sure you follow any and all instructions when the new batch of needle juice hits. It's the only you can stay alive. Good luck.
Trust. Trust. Trust.
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Ooloo
08-22-2023, 03:43 PM
Weird how crime is higher in red counties and states all over the nation.
You dont read much outside of your comfort zone, eh?
https://www.apieceoftravel.com/states-with-the-highest-crime-rate/
America: We're losing a lot of americans from all the murders.
GOP: lol get fucked! If your kids have to die so I can own a gun built for war, I'll never use, so be it.
GOP: oh btw we will TAKE your guns if we dont like you having them. (might want to look up which states grab the most guns, too.)
Lol ah yes, "apieceoftravel.com", the famously credible source.
Sorry bud but there is a billion times as much crime in historically democrat run cities. It's not even close. Rather than deny reality maybe think of ways to change it? Radical ideas such as: arrest and imprison violent criminals rather than releasing them over and over would be a good start.
PRogers
08-22-2023, 03:45 PM
There is a difference between being "anti-gun" and anti-this is a stupid gun built for killing people. Gets used to shoot targets and other americans, mostly.
Its about the velocity of assault rifle rounds. They can go right through concrete, break the god damn wall down with 7.62x39. You do understand that higher velocity and more mass = more damage, right? That rapid fire, 30-100 round drum mags, armor piercing blah blah.
You just wont be able to do the same around of damage with a 9mm as quickly, as accurately from a distance. Most people, like 99% of people, cant hit a target 15 meters away with a pistol. Rifle makes it mad easy.
You're saying DPS does not exist, everything is exactly the same. All guns are exactly the same. Thats why snipers use pistols. Mass shooters use bolt action rifles all the time! Right?
Being able to shoot hundreds and hundreds of rounds a minute is exactly the same thing as shooting 12 9mm. Dropping a 100 round drum mag of .223 is the same thing as reloading a mag of 12, same thing right? Cause 12+12 = 200. Exactly the same. Belt fed is the same as bolt action, right?
All of it is for killing people. War, murder, and very very rarely has an assault rifle been used in actual self-defense.
Origen
08-22-2023, 03:47 PM
If it's "not even close", as that little liar loves to say, he'd have evidence. Notice how he never provides any evidence of this claim at all?
Ooloo
08-22-2023, 03:52 PM
All of it is for killing people. War, murder, and very very rarely has an assault rifle been used in actual self-defense.
If a criminal has knowledge that their intended victim has an ar-15 they probably will pass that victim over. If a crime that would have occurred is deterred by the presence of a highly lethal weapon, that still counts as self defense, and it also explains why they aren't more represented in self defense statistics.
Rifles account for the vast minority of gun deaths, hand guns account for the vast majority. You're myopically focusing only on mass-shootings, which is understandable because they're very emotionally salient, but they also cloud your ability to think rationally about the gun issue.
PRogers
08-22-2023, 03:54 PM
Lol ah yes, "apieceoftravel.com", the famously credible source.
Sorry bud but there is a billion times as much crime in historically democrat run cities. It's not even close. Rather than deny reality maybe think of ways to change it? Radical ideas such as: arrest and imprison violent criminals rather than releasing them over and over would be a good start.
Reality is about more than whats after the www.
Did you know that even if fox news says the sky is blue, its actually blue? If Msnbc says it, its blue, still blue.
Facts dont care about your feelings or whatever www.myfavoritewebsite.com they are posted on. Why dont you show me the states with the highest crimes rates?
Thats your opinion. You think there is more crime, but stealing pants doesnt rate very high in my mind. Being murdered, etc. You know, little things like that. Stealing from victoria secret is obviously higher in your mind.
Ooloo
08-22-2023, 03:54 PM
If it's "not even close", as that little liar loves to say, he'd have evidence. Notice how he never provides any evidence of this claim at all?
The data is easily accessible. And even when I provide data you find some retarded reason to dismiss it so nah.
I mean, does anyone seriously think chicago has less crime than dallas texas? I need to scientifically prove this obvious fact that everybody knows, particularly the people who live in those cities?
Ooloo
08-22-2023, 03:56 PM
Thats your opinion. You think there is more crime, but stealing pants doesnt rate very high in my mind. Being murdered, etc. You know, little things like that. Stealing from victoria secret is obviously higher in your mind.
https://www.mystateline.com/news/chicago-named-murder-capital-of-the-u-s-in-new-report/
New Orleans also makes the list for highest murder rate per-capita. Annnnnnnd governed by dems.
PRogers
08-22-2023, 04:07 PM
If a criminal has knowledge that their intended victim has an ar-15 they probably will pass that victim over. If a crime that would have occurred is deterred by the presence of a highly lethal weapon, that still counts as self defense, and it also explains why they aren't more represented in self defense statistics.
Rifles account for the vast minority of gun deaths, hand guns account for the vast majority. You're myopically focusing only on mass-shootings, which is understandable because they're very emotionally salient, but they also cloud your ability to think rationally about the gun issue.
Just hear me out. You'd rather have chicago full of AR's AKs SKS' and everything else over everyone being kinda forced to use a handgun? You want those heavy, high speed round flying around and impacting people and everything else over .25, .32, 9mm, 40, etc.
When someone comes to kick your door in your rob you, you'd rather they were holding something with .300 blackout, 30 round mag, suppressed over a chrome .25?
Mass shooter at the workplace of a family member, someone you love or even you. You'd rather the guy has a few 100 round drum mags, can blast right through the walls 5 at a time, over a pistol?
Sounds like you want the guy to have the highest caliber, most round per min possible.
If you were ever honest with yourself, you know damn well its easier to shoot anything with a rifle. Modern rifles are so accurate, a pistol is only as good as its user. Rifle is point and death. So easy, a guy with an IQ of like 80 can use it.
If im lying, why dont they give every marine a pistol and tell em good luck? Because, they are infantry with RIFLES. What rifle do they use...? What is it REALLY close to?
You're going to keep trying to say "everything is exactly the same" when its obviously not. You must not own a single gun or ever have.
PRogers
08-22-2023, 04:09 PM
https://www.mystateline.com/news/chicago-named-murder-capital-of-the-u-s-in-new-report/
New Orleans also makes the list for highest murder rate per-capita. Annnnnnnd governed by dems.
Thats 1,100,000 people. What about the other 349 million? Where does the majority of crime happen to the overall number of people? You left out over 99.5% of the country.
Sadre Spinegnawer
08-22-2023, 04:12 PM
Nothing more alt-right than getting vicarious pleasure from a person suffering through a situation you helped create
It's a kink. There's a swinger's discord for people who have sex while watching Fox & Friends. Everyone wants to be the Ainsley, what else is new.
Man, during the River Dance years, people were like pre-AIDS out there. I used to go to this one club, it was like hundreds of penetrations, all in tempo to the Irish folk music blasting over the PA.
People tell alot by telling you what they find funny, or "righteous."
I've known junkies and people way, way lost. But I am not sure that is why I don't find these kinds of justice porn vids enjoyable or rewarding or validating.
I think I can't turn off my empathy switch. Which is a good thing, because the ability to turn it on and off in real, actual life is a trait of sociopathic and/or narcissistic personalities.
Sadre Spinegnawer
08-22-2023, 04:14 PM
[lays the bait]
Origen
08-22-2023, 04:15 PM
The data is easily accessible. And even when I provide data you find some retarded reason to dismiss it so nah.
I mean, does anyone seriously think chicago has less crime than dallas texas? I need to scientifically prove this obvious fact that everybody knows, particularly the people who live in those cities?Doesn't even provide the "easily accessible" data, then proceeds to explain why it's "obvious" e.g. the data isn't necessary.
Yeah, still so full of shit your eyes are brown
Origen
08-22-2023, 04:19 PM
I think I can't turn off my empathy switch. Which is a good thing, because the ability to turn it on and off in real, actual life is a trait of sociopathic and/or narcissistic personalities.I recently had to acquire the ability to turn off my empathy for my sanity's sake. My colleague at work is a very frustrating person, and fakes a lot of problems I'd normally be very nice about, and who clearly has a thing for me and I need to shut her down, hard.
For the first 40 years of my life it was stuck in the on position, but long-duration medical shit has reworked my outlook and there's only so many shits I can give while being able to give shits to those who need them. Shit denied!
Homesteaded
08-22-2023, 04:25 PM
Lol ah yes, "apieceoftravel.com", the famously credible source.
Sorry bud but there is a billion times as much crime in historically democrat run cities. It's not even close. Rather than deny reality maybe think of ways to change it? Radical ideas such as: arrest and imprison violent criminals rather than releasing them over and over would be a good start.
Let criminals go for crimes, one creative approach to lowering crime rates.
Origen
08-22-2023, 04:30 PM
"The beatings will continue until morale improves" is the entirety of reactionary policy
Let criminals go for crimes, one creative approach to lowering crime rates.
Mostly peaceful. Mostly peaceful. Mostly peaceful.
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aussenseiter
08-22-2023, 05:28 PM
"The beatings will continue until morale improves" is the entirety of reactionary policy
You're putting the cart before the horse again.
Reaction comes after the revolution.
Ooloo
08-22-2023, 06:23 PM
Doesn't even provide the "easily accessible" data, then proceeds to explain why it's "obvious" e.g. the data isn't necessary.
Yeah, still so full of shit your eyes are brown
https://www.mystateline.com/news/chicago-named-murder-capital-of-the-u-s-in-new-report/
Data! Quick, tell me why it doesn't count!
Oh and here's a juicy quote from the above for you to explain away while you're at it:
“You can’t ignore when one city has the most murders in the country. Especially 11 years in a row. And so that’s why it’s also really important to look at the total number of homicides. Chicago has almost 700 homicides. A city that’s much, much larger, like New York, has fewer than 500. So your rates matter, but so does the outright number.”
https://www.mystateline.com/news/chicago-named-murder-capital-of-the-u-s-in-new-report/
Data! Quick, tell me why it doesn't count!
Oh and here's a juicy quote from the above for you to explain away while you're at it:
“You can’t ignore when one city has the most murders in the country. Especially 11 years in a row. And so that’s why it’s also really important to look at the total number of homicides. Chicago has almost 700 homicides. A city that’s much, much larger, like New York, has fewer than 500. So your rates matter, but so does the outright number.”
Yeah but those were "mostly peaceful" murders.
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Ooloo
08-22-2023, 06:37 PM
Thats 1,100,000 people. What about the other 349 million? Where does the majority of crime happen to the overall number of people? You left out over 99.5% of the country.
Huh? The entire argument is over whether areas governed by democrats or republicans have more crime.
99% of cities with both the highest murder *rates* and also the highest total number of murders are governed by democrats, and have been for decades.
Here's something interesting though: NYC is the largest city by population in the country. It also has lots of murders, but that is to be expected given it's large population. Guess when it didn't though? When it was governed by Giuliani, who is a republican and was lauded even by the majority lib population for his tough on crime policies.
Can you detect a pattern here?
unsunghero
08-22-2023, 07:54 PM
Lol ah yes, "apieceoftravel.com", the famously credible source.
Sorry bud but there is a billion times as much crime in historically democrat run cities. It's not even close. Rather than deny reality maybe think of ways to change it? Radical ideas such as: arrest and imprison violent criminals rather than releasing them over and over would be a good start.
It looks like the site was using data from 2019, so 4 years ago now. But I can’t tell where and when it gets its data from. It jumps all over the place and contradicts itself frequently. It also uses the phrase “Latinx” which is a definite indicator of partisanship bias. Because the Hispanic community has largely rejected the term, it only tends to find a home on far left sites
But here’s some fun takeaways:
“Regarding Americans’ perception of crime, at least 60% of U.S. adults believe that more crimes are being committed nationally compared to the previous year, but the data tells a different story. Between 1993 and 2019, the rate of violent crime actually fell by 49%, with significant decreases in the rates of robbery (-68%), murder and non-negligent manslaughter (-47%), and aggravated assault (-43%).¹
Incomplete data and political posturing haven’t helped to assuage the general public’s misconceptions about the prevalence of crime in the U.S.³ ”
^
But wait, lol: “It appears that from 2019 to 2020, based on the available data, the murder rate in the U.S. rose by nearly 30%, marking the most significant single-year increase ever recorded.²”
- Whoops. Crime is way down and all this talk about it is “political posturing”. Oh except murder, that’s actually way up recently. Oh and property crime too, but that’s purposefully excluded because it probably happens more in the wrong areas the site doesn’t want to look at
“Nearly half (46%) of all gun deaths among children and teens involved Black victims — despite only 14% of the U.S. population under the age of 18 being Black in 2021”
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Lol kinda racist as fuck for a leftist site, isn’t it? Oh because it’s DEATHS it’s ok to use the “despite being [x] part of the population” line? Oh, ok, I have a question: who’s pulling the trigger then? Other black people, or white MAGA-loving trumpers? The site doesn’t want to say (not here anyway). It does later
“Overall, the U.S. crime rate has been steadily declining since 1991, reaching its lowest point on record in 2014. In 2020, however, there was a significant spike in violent crime and certain types of property crime.⁸ Most notable was the 28.9% increase in murders — reaching an average of 6.5 per 100,000 people. The number of murders rose by roughly the same amount in cities run by both Republicans and Democrats, but poor and historically disadvantaged communities were more significantly affected”
^
Notice when they use “cities” instead of states, all of sudden the numbers become more even. Shouldn’t have done that, being partisan and all. Still 2020 figures tho, so 3 years ago
“Regarding race and ethnicity, only a slight difference was found between Black and white offenders (44.2% compared to 43.6%)”
^
Wow that’s weird, aren’t there a lot more white people in the country but the numbers are even? That’s a whoops on the site’s part to not be racist
Anyway, thanks PRogers, I enjoyed your super racist lefty site, any others you want me to peruse, feel free to throw my way
aussenseiter
08-22-2023, 08:05 PM
Huh? The entire argument is over whether areas governed by democrats or republicans have more crime.
99% of cities with both the highest murder *rates* and also the highest total number of murders are governed by democrats, and have been for decades.
Here's something interesting though: NYC is the largest city by population in the country. It also has lots of murders, but that is to be expected given it's large population. Guess when it didn't though? When it was governed by Giuliani, who is a republican and was lauded even by the majority lib population for his tough on crime policies.
Can you detect a pattern here?
Giuliani was the Mayor of NYC in the immediate wake of the Biden 1994 crime bill.
Botten
08-22-2023, 08:33 PM
The covid vaccines have a significant risk profile for young healthy males, specifically the 2nd dose. It's a perfectly valid concern, especially because young healthy males are at extremely low risk of serious illness from covid itself. The cost\benefit ratio of the vaccines improves dramatically with age, which many european nations have wisely incorporated into policy, whereas the US continues the boneheaded "everyone get it" approach. I'm sorry that none of this seems to concern you.
And before you ask, this guy is my source: https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=ym4rwk0AAAAJ&hl=en
Ooloo you are parroting something debunked in 2022 (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3526800&postcount=2389). You really shouldn't be listening to your echo chambers.
Look at the articles about crazy Dr. Vinay’s disinformation.
The guy is regarded as a quack for a reason.
I kid you not they nicknamed him Dr. Hitler Zombie.
Dr. Vinay Prasad goes full Godwin over COVID-19 public health measures (https://www.respectfulinsolence.com/2021/10/04/vinay-prasad-goes-full-godwin/)
Dr. Vinay Prasad: “Public Health’s (Mis)Truth Problem” (https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/vinay-prasad-public-healths-mistruth-problem/)
Controversial oncologist Dr. Vinay Prasad disavowed by dean, lectures to GSBS (https://tuftsdaily.com/news/2022/03/08/controversial-oncologist-dr-vinay-prasad-disavowed-by-dean-lectures-to-gsbs/)
Responding to Dr. Vinay Prasad’s “dunking on a 7′ hoop” criticism of SBM (https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/responding-to-dr-vinay-prasads-dunking-on-a-7-hoop-criticism-of-sbm/)
Dr. Vinay Prasad echoes a common antivax trope that portrays concern about a deadly disease as irrational fear (https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/dr-vinay-prasad-echoes-the-common-antivax-trope-of-portraying-a-desire-not-to-catch-a-deadly-disease-as-irrational-and-mental-illness/)
Origen
08-22-2023, 08:40 PM
https://www.mystateline.com/news/chicago-named-murder-capital-of-the-u-s-in-new-report/
Data! Quick, tell me why it doesn't count!It's Wirepoints "data" lol. And the IPI. Both conservative. Both lie.
Thanks for proving my point yet again, though.
Origen
08-22-2023, 08:43 PM
Can you detect a pattern here?Yes, that you should run for mayor of the largest city near you
Botten
08-22-2023, 09:05 PM
Well from Crime Data Explorer (https://cde.ucr.cjis.gov/LATEST/webapp/#/pages/explorer/crime/crime-trend) a government site violent crime is trending down for New York and Illinois
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It seems Giuliani does deserve credit for reducing violent crimes but that trend has seemed to typically continue even under the current mayors.
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I want to note I am not crazy about how Crime Data Explorer gathers it data. It needs more data from more law enforcement agencies.
But as already pointed out I probably wouldn't want to have lived in Nevada from 2012 to 2017 with the homicide rate.
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Trexller
08-22-2023, 09:10 PM
If you don't charge people for crimes, then crime trends downwards
this is like the chinese communist party claiming no one is dying from covid because they stopped counting covid deaths
Origen
08-22-2023, 09:27 PM
These low-information reactionary fellas argue "violent crime is worse than ever" in one thread and then "violent crime is less common than any point in history" in another, depending largely on the race or political orientation of the perpetrators.
It is deliberate strategy, not mere hypocrisy.
magnetaress
08-22-2023, 09:31 PM
Didn't you just post about getting Covid after getting the needle?
That is true
My point is now u know because I experimented tho. So it's good to have ppl experimenting especially if they volunteer.
Elizondo
08-22-2023, 09:46 PM
If you don't charge people for crimes, then crime trends downwards
this is like the chinese communist party claiming no one is dying from covid because they stopped counting covid deaths
You can shoplift up to $1000 and you won't be charged in Democrat run hell holes
According to Botten's graph, that's not a crime
That is true
My point is now u know because I experimented tho. So it's good to have ppl experimenting especially if they volunteer.
Riiiight. Well, good luck with the next round(s) of experimentation.
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Ya'll are a bunch of crazy fools. Lunatics and sheeple.
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magnetaress
08-22-2023, 10:05 PM
Riiiight. Well, good luck with the next round(s) of experimentation.
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I'm done experimenting lol. It was a poor choice.
I will not impinge on the freedumbs of others tho.
Glory to G-d first and foremost.
Glory to his creation second most.
And lastly Glory to the free to dumb even if they fail to Glory the first two things.
Nibblewitz
08-22-2023, 10:25 PM
Reason is the slave of passion.
Choose your desired premises and conclusions then connect the dots.
Botten
08-22-2023, 10:28 PM
You can shoplift up to $1000 and you won't be charged in Democrat run hell holes
According to Botten's graph, that's not a crime
Pretty sure this was debunked where we live
No, you can’t steal up to $950 worth of merchandise in California without consequence under Proposition 47. The proposition reduced the punishment for certain theft crimes, but it still classifies shoplifting as a misdemeanor. (https://www.verifythis.com/article/news/verify/crime-verify/california-prop-47-shoplifting-950-fact-check/536-4d1de58e-bf47-4ede-8c2f-b4d0c1788b86)
Elizondo
08-22-2023, 10:29 PM
Pretty sure this was debunked where we live
No, you can’t steal up to $950 worth of merchandise in California without consequence under Proposition 47. The proposition reduced the punishment for certain theft crimes, but it still classifies shoplifting as a misdemeanor. (https://www.verifythis.com/article/news/verify/crime-verify/california-prop-47-shoplifting-950-fact-check/536-4d1de58e-bf47-4ede-8c2f-b4d0c1788b86)
Your link is garbage
Yes you can
Botten
08-22-2023, 10:38 PM
Reason is the slave of passion.
Choose your desired premises and conclusions then connect the dots.
Ah but education helps to strike a balance between reason and passion - crucial for making well-informed and objective decisions.
Education equips individuals with critical thinking skills, the ability to analyze information objectively, and the tools to evaluate situations from multiple perspectives. By fostering an understanding of various subjects and encouraging intellectual curiosity, education can empower individuals to make decisions that are grounded in both rational thinking and a consideration of emotional factors. This balance enables them to approach decisions with a comprehensive view, ultimately leading to more thoughtful and effective choices.
Botten
08-22-2023, 10:41 PM
Your link is garbage
Yes you can
O'rly
https://www.egattorneys.com/shoplifting-penal-code-459-5
California Penal Code 459.5 describes the crime of shoplifting as entering an open business during their normal hours with intent to steal merchandise valued at $950 or less.
Shoplifting Laws in California – Penal Code 459.5 PC
PC 459.5 shoplifting is stealing items valued at under $950 and a misdemeanor crime.
PC 459.5 shoplifting is always a misdemeanor crime and punishable by up to six months in a county jail and fine up to $1,000, unless the defendant has one of more prior convictions.
Poor EZ
Trexller
08-22-2023, 10:42 PM
Pretty sure this was debunked where we live
No, you can’t steal up to $950 worth of merchandise in California without consequence under Proposition 47. The proposition reduced the punishment for certain theft crimes, but it still classifies shoplifting as a misdemeanor. (https://www.verifythis.com/article/news/verify/crime-verify/california-prop-47-shoplifting-950-fact-check/536-4d1de58e-bf47-4ede-8c2f-b4d0c1788b86)
it doesn't matter if you reduce penalties or the monetary value or increase or whatever
it's all as useless if DA's and police won't charge the criminals, or immediately release them with a citation or promise to appear in court agreement. which is exactly what is happening in kalifornia.
Elizondo
08-22-2023, 10:44 PM
O'rly
https://www.egattorneys.com/shoplifting-penal-code-459-5
Poor EZ
They aren't charging them idiot
It's why you are seeing coordinated smash and grabs on a massive scale. There is no fear of being held accountable at all
Botten
08-22-2023, 10:47 PM
it doesn't matter if you reduce penalties or the monetary value or increase or whatever
it's all as useless if DA's and police won't charge the criminals, or immediately release them with a citation or promise to appear in court agreement. which is exactly what is happening in kalifornia.
Found it interesting that PA allows even more to be stolen.
In Pennsylvania, shoplifting can be a misdemeanor if the value of the goods stolen is under $2,000.
Botten
08-22-2023, 10:50 PM
They aren't charging them idiot
It's why you are seeing coordinated smash and grabs on a massive scale. There is no fear of being held accountable at all
They aren’t that lax. Texas has an even higher limit before shoplifting rises to a felony, theirs is $1250 and ours is $950. The recent thefts are a whole different kind of crime, it isn’t simple shoplifting. It’s organized crime and because it operates like flash mobs and the ringleader is never around, it’s very difficult to stop. All of the stores hit are high end, except for Home Depot where they go to steal the tools to steal from the high end stores. Not one item that gets taken from those high end stores is less than $950.
This isn’t teenagers or poor people taking some little stuff from Walmart or the grocery store. These are organized theft rings that take high end items and then sell them on the internet.
Trexller
08-22-2023, 10:56 PM
Found it interesting that PA allows even more to be stolen.
In Pennsylvania, shoplifting can be a misdemeanor if the value of the goods stolen is under $2,000.
who the cares what the dollar amount is?
it doesn't matter if the state will not charge the criminals
being so stupid, how do you manage to dress yourself and drive a car, let alone work a job?
mind boggling stupidity
fortunately, we still have good ol' boy cops here IN PA who will go wayyy out of their way to find ways to charge people with crimes
Botten
08-22-2023, 11:29 PM
who the cares what the dollar amount is?
it doesn't matter if the state will not charge the criminals
being so stupid, how do you manage to dress yourself and drive a car, let alone work a job?
mind boggling stupidity
fortunately, we still have good ol' boy cops here IN PA who will go wayyy out of their way to find ways to charge people with crimes
riiiiiiiiiight
How to Get Shoplifting Charges Dropped in Pennsylvania (https://wylandlawgroup.com/how-to-get-shoplifting-charges-dropped/?UTM_source=GMB_listing&UTM_medium=organic)
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Elizondo
08-22-2023, 11:31 PM
Botten trying to hide behind fake news links
Embarrassing himself so badly
unsunghero
08-22-2023, 11:31 PM
They aren't charging them idiot
It's why you are seeing coordinated smash and grabs on a massive scale. There is no fear of being held accountable at all
I believe there’s still a charge, but due to CA jails and prisons being full it’s impossible to ever incarcerate them for a non-violent offense. They had a ruling where due to overcrowding most minor non-violent offense cannot result in jail or prison time
So you just don’t pay whatever the minor fine is and you will never go to jail or prison over it. Which is really the consequence most rational people fear
But I’m not positive on this, just what I’ve heard
Elizondo
08-22-2023, 11:34 PM
I believe there’s still a charge, but due to CA jails and prisons being full it’s impossible to ever incarcerate them for a non-violent offense. They had a ruling where due to overcrowding most minor non-violent offense cannot result in jail or prison time
So you just don’t pay whatever the minor fine is and you will never go to jail or prison over it. Which is really the consequence most rational people fear
But I’m not positive on this, just what I’ve heard
Shoplifting prosecutions are at an all time low
They want the chaos
unsunghero
08-22-2023, 11:39 PM
Shoplifting prosecutions are at an all time low
They want the chaos
Could very well be true that they aren’t prosecuted, but I’ve definitely heard that even if they were, they won’t go to prison for particular non-violent offenses in CA, no matter how many they rack up
aussenseiter
08-22-2023, 11:41 PM
I believe there’s still a charge, but due to CA jails and prisons being full it’s impossible to ever incarcerate them for a non-violent offense. They had a ruling where due to overcrowding most minor non-violent offense cannot result in jail or prison time
So you just don’t pay whatever the minor fine is and you will never go to jail or prison over it. Which is really the consequence most rational people fear
But I’m not positive on this, just what I’ve heard
Deferred prosecution or diversionary sentencing I forget the term.
It saves taxpayer dollars! 🤪
unsunghero
08-22-2023, 11:43 PM
I think we need to lean more into social stigma as a deterrent to crime. I think it is true that most criminals don’t think they’ll be caught in the first place
If there was better social stigmatization, like what occurs in Japan, rather than apologists making excuses for them, that might do something to reduce crime on a cultural level
I even saw a (cherry-picked I know) depressing as fuck video where someone is hauling stolen merchandise to their car, the store employees chase them to their car and start to grab them, multiple bystanders yell AT the employees “YOU CANT TOUCH HIM!” and then cheer as the criminal gets away
Sad. That is the opposite of what we need
Botten
08-22-2023, 11:48 PM
Separate discussion.
Much of my field deals with Latin prefixes and suffixes.
The benefits flowing from knowledge of Latin are so significant that it seems impossible to imagine a physician, pharmacist or physiotherapist without even elementary knowledge of this language. (Greek and Polish help too.)
So it catches my eye when some one takes an avatar from a book I have perused
aussenseiter why the interest in guesseles
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Trexller
08-22-2023, 11:53 PM
Oh you're a pagan
makes sense
aussenseiter
08-22-2023, 11:55 PM
Separate discussion.
Much of my field deals with Latin prefixes and suffixes.
The benefits flowing from knowledge of Latin are so significant that it seems impossible to imagine a physician, pharmacist or physiotherapist without even elementary knowledge of this language. (Greek and Polish help too.)
So it catches my eye when some one takes an avatar from a book I have perused
aussenseiter why the interest in guesseles
22794 (https://www.project1999.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22794&thumb=1&d=1692762492)
Only a gali can slay the basilisk (https://bestiary.ca/beasts/beast150.htm) :o
magnetaress
08-23-2023, 12:01 AM
I thought the weasel thing is just super cute..
magnetaress
08-23-2023, 12:02 AM
To be pro aussenseiter they have really softened me up versus Catholicism tho I still remain prejudicial. Not sure if that was their intention or not butt whatever.
magnetaress
08-23-2023, 12:04 AM
Like pre aussenseiter if invited to the Vatican i would have scoffed and been like lol naw.
Post aussenseiter id go ahead and participate and listen. And just be super chill without being a pest and probably really enjoy the architecture and stuff.
magnetaress
08-23-2023, 12:08 AM
Id probably be a bit of an online turd processing tho.
Pagans are misguided tho in that like many in organized religion they are full of pride, ego, hubris, and there is much corruption of their faith and superstitions. So the ritual they do for good health is probably eating them alive and hindering them on the path to enlightenment...and the spiritual salvation G-d offers is going to be much harder to attain. If you stray from the road and commandments.
magnetaress
08-23-2023, 12:10 AM
I think we need to lean more into social stigma as a deterrent to crime. I think it is true that most criminals don’t think they’ll be caught in the first place
If there was better social stigmatization, like what occurs in Japan, rather than apologists making excuses for them, that might do something to reduce crime on a cultural level
I even saw a (cherry-picked I know) depressing as fuck video where someone is hauling stolen merchandise to their car, the store employees chase them to their car and start to grab them, multiple bystanders yell AT the employees “YOU CANT TOUCH HIM!” and then cheer as the criminal gets away
Sad. That is the opposite of what we need
We are too soft and don't criminalize deceit (bearing false witness, idolatry) enough.
It should be much harder to be "free" and it it should be earned and much easier to lose that freedom and if you engage in anything malicious the hammer should be dropped. So lying, cheating, stealing, manipulation, evasion... and on the other side you gotta limit power so greed etc...
Tyranny is fine when it's just.
aussenseiter
08-23-2023, 12:14 AM
We are too soft and don't criminalize deceit (bearing false witness, idolatry) enough.
https://i.imgur.com/WhdcHHE.jpeg
magnetaress
08-23-2023, 12:16 AM
I've plowed the fields :p and sown my crop.
Botten
08-23-2023, 01:10 AM
Oh you're a pagan
makes sense
Yes so Pagan a copy of the book is stored in a private archive called the Archivum Secretum.
Now to cast a spell on you for your constant nuisance from the Visionaries section of the book.
“By what creeps, what crawls, by what does not; let all that grows recede and rot!”
Funny it says a worsening debuff is already affecting your brain called MAGA.
Homesteaded
08-23-2023, 10:06 AM
Election was rigged.
Covid planned.
Biden career corrupt politician.
Hunter laptop real.
Masks don’t work.
Flu, wru?
Impeachments all a hoax.
Clinton body count.
Big Mike swinging.
Obama gay Kenyan.
Ukraine war is a last gasp of extreme money laundering.
Alex Jones vindicated.
Elon musk a shining light of what could be.
Men are men, women are women, trans are unwell.
Deep state real.
FBI / CIA compromised.
Black culture poisoning it’s youth.
Universities indoctrinate.
Abortion is murder.
Men and women are not interchangeable.
Jesus lived and saves.
Trump 2024
Origen
08-23-2023, 10:14 AM
That's right, folks. You're watching a 38 year old man become a Facebook Boomer in real time.
aussenseiter
08-23-2023, 10:22 AM
Election was rigged.
Elections are always rigged. That's what democracy is, maaaaaaan.
Origen
08-23-2023, 11:00 AM
https://en.meming.world/images/en/6/62/Ah_Shit%2C_Here_We_Go_Again.jpg
https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/23/health/masks-covid-surge-wellness/index.html
Toxigen
08-23-2023, 12:04 PM
IS WE GETTING RON
magnetaress
08-23-2023, 12:54 PM
to be honest i'm just ignoring all the news i saw the 'influenza spread sheet info graphic' on my weather page from msn and was just like meh so what i'm gonna get sick again probably this season and nothing i can do about it
THE ONLY SOLUTION TO THIS IS THE FINAL SOLUTION and that isn't g-d's plan for us so don't get ur hopes up lol cuz u can't go against him and he will work in ways you can't outsmart with ur dumb shit
so just sit back and chill and hopefully you don't suffer 2 long if u do get a bad case of the weaponized hemoragic fevor and get some lesions even from it (covid does this!)
magnetaress
08-23-2023, 12:55 PM
just have faith that most cases will be mild and you cannot control it no matter how pious u r u gotta bear witness and u could get lucky or unlucky in this regard
jesus will be there to lift you up when you ded if ur faithful and u want it
Botten
08-23-2023, 01:15 PM
IS WE GETTING RON
Room for More Bwahahahahahaha
MAGA tears everywhere!
https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/21a/862/9eaa703bbbe48316e67bbc3dfa8f40b8f2-trump-indictment-GA-mugshots01.rhorizontal.w700.jpg
Origen
08-23-2023, 01:29 PM
Mugshots are kinda boring, especially when they're just pawns. I would still like to take wagers on his weigh-in.
I am holding out hope the "party of law and order" are organizing an Orange Man Prison Break, as they may have learned what happens when your opsec sucks.
I'll take an August 25th as a sequel to January 6th. I even have Friday off.
Origen
08-23-2023, 01:31 PM
Oh shit looks like the Ruskies got him
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66599733
Getting on a plane over Russia with Prigozhin... ballsy move
Though we all know what happened:
rurhk1hadp8
unsunghero
08-23-2023, 01:47 PM
Faaaaake
Getting on a plane over Russia with Prigozhin... ballsy move
Though we all know what happened:
rurhk1hadp8
https://i.imgur.com/8BT7oqu.png
Homesteaded
08-23-2023, 03:56 PM
Getting on a plane over Russia with Prigozhin... ballsy move
Though we all know what happened:
rurhk1hadp8
Such a great scene.
Patriam1066
08-23-2023, 04:29 PM
These low-information reactionary fellas argue "violent crime is worse than ever" in one thread and then "violent crime is less common than any point in history" in another, depending largely on the race or political orientation of the perpetrators.
It is deliberate strategy, not mere hypocrisy.
What do you think about an Italian and an Indian being center stage in the debate tonight? I personally think it means america has seen better days
Ooloo
08-23-2023, 04:41 PM
It's Wirepoints "data" lol. And the IPI. Both conservative. Both lie.
Thanks for proving my point yet again, though.
So, chicago doesn't have the highest murder total and new orleans doesn't have the highest per capita murder rate? Or... what is your point? You keep saying "you proved my point" except that never happens at all. I don't think you even know what point you're trying to make.
"Conservative man does the lies!" isn't an argument. Stats are stats though sorry about that. :(
Also lol at trying to "debunk" vinay prasad with these bizarre links to completely obscure websites after I posted his google scholar credentials. I can't keep up with all the horseshit from botten and co but I did skim it. Great try.
Origen
08-23-2023, 04:46 PM
What do you think about an Italian and an Indian being center stage in the debate tonight? I personally think it means america has seen better daysI think the man who isn't in the room will be the main character. They can't embrace christofascism and feign at being a big tent party in a country this diverse. I have no intention of watching it.
Vivek doesn't stand a chance unless he's actually gunning for a cabinet post, like Mayor Pete.
"Pudding Fingers" Ron is just the right wing version of Liz Warren. No charisma.
Origen
08-23-2023, 04:48 PM
So, chicago doesn't have the highest murder total and new orleans doesn't have the highest per capita murder rate? Or... what is your point? You keep saying "you proved my point" except that never happens at all. I don't think you even know what point you're trying to make.
"Conservative man does the lies!" isn't an argument. Stats are stats though sorry about that. :(
Also lol at trying to "debunk" vinay prasad with these bizarre links to completely obscure websites after I posted his google scholar credentials. I can't keep up with all the horseshit from botten and co but I did skim it. Great try.Ooloo, for the millionth time, I don't argue with you, that's a waste of time. I sealion you until you show there is nothing behind the curtain. There are no ideas in your head that Ben Shapiro and Matt Walsh did not personally place there.
magnetaress
08-23-2023, 04:54 PM
Getting on a plane over Russia with Prigozhin... ballsy move
Though we all know what happened:
rurhk1hadp8
why does he need the blood?
Ooloo
08-23-2023, 04:54 PM
Ooloo, for the millionth time, I don't argue with you, that's a waste of time. I sealion you until you show there is nothing behind the curtain. There are no ideas in your head that Ben Shapiro and Matt Walsh did not personally place there.
Cool that's great bud. I admit I was wrong though, New Orleans is currently not the #1 murder city per-capita, it's actually St.Louis, also governed by a dem :(
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate
So, again, is wikipedia lying or is the fbi, who these numbers come from, lying? Who is lying? Cause I'm not.
Stop acting so reactionary every time I torpedo your bullshit.
Ooloo
08-23-2023, 05:02 PM
Just to reiterate what that table clearly shows: The top ten cities for murder rate per-capita (per 100,000 people) are literally all governed by democrats, and in most cases have been for years. Sometimes decades.
Correlation doesn't equal causation of course, but yesterday there was some big time horseshit in here about how all the most dangerous places are red cities\states.
why does he need the blood?
Fuck if I know, I've never actually watched the movie. Probably so the body would have Pavel's DNA
aussenseiter
08-23-2023, 05:04 PM
I think the man who isn't in the room will be the main character. They can't embrace christofascism and feign at being a big tent party in a country this diverse. I have no intention of watching it.
Vivek doesn't stand a chance unless he's actually gunning for a cabinet post, like Mayor Pete.
"Pudding Fingers" Ron is just the right wing version of Liz Warren. No charisma.
Vivek is Hindu to the point of vegetarianism.
Ron is gonna grill him up then hit Micky D's 🇺🇲
aussenseiter
08-23-2023, 05:07 PM
why does he need the blood?
Only Pavel can disarm the bomb. Later on he's alive in the football stadium and Bane breaks his neck publicly so Gotham knows it can't be disarmed. Le Terreur!
That's why he needs the blood.
Origen
08-23-2023, 05:20 PM
So, again, is wikipedia lying or is the fbi, who these numbers come from, lying? Who is lying? Cause I'm not.
Stop acting so reactionary every time I torpedo your bullshit.Argue with whoever made that claim, then, because it wasn't me. Democrats are ultimately capitalists, usually, so don't gripe to me about their mismanagement of cities.
My argument is that your data is a bunch of horseshit, and given that you just referenced Wikipedia, which isn't even acceptable as a source for English 101, I stand by that assessment.
I certainly don't trust FBI numbers, local news reporting, or any local law enforcement numbers organized into a table for a Wikipedia page or whatever that Wirepoints trash is. Not for reporting on crime by people all of these things have historically helped oppress.
Ooloo
08-23-2023, 05:23 PM
Ok comrade, whatever. You do you.
unsunghero
08-23-2023, 05:48 PM
Not for reporting on crime by people all of these things have historically helped oppress.
If you think about it, the more oppressed you feel by police, the more you mistrust police, then technically the more UNDER-reported crime should be
Because if you are worried police either won’t help you, or may even give you trouble for coming to them, then why bother?
So technically areas with low trust in police probably have even more actual crime than what the reports show
This isn’t even considering a non-cultural universal attitude of “snitches get stitches”
Origen
08-23-2023, 05:56 PM
We have the safest lives that human beings have ever had and population density does its thing.
You fellas won't set foot in the hood, but by all means, cast yourselves as experts on the parts of town you avoid in an effort to create more racist sentiment.
Your opinions on the utilization of statistics are very situational, much like your outrage.
unsunghero
08-23-2023, 06:03 PM
We have the safest lives that human beings have ever had and population density does its thing.
You fellas won't set foot in the hood, but by all means, cast yourselves as experts on the parts of town you avoid in an effort to create more racist sentiment.
Your opinions on the utilization of statistics are very situational, much like your outrage.
Dunno what you talking about, I go into the poorest parts of the city, including the mostly black south Phoenix “hood” all the time for work
You think rich people are depressed? Lol money DOES buy happiness. We serve mostly the poor
Origen
08-23-2023, 06:10 PM
And by helping elect Republicans, you can rest assured you will always have your pipeline full of poor people in various states of bad times to assist/exploit. "Less" doesn't mean "none".
unsunghero
08-23-2023, 06:14 PM
And by helping elect Republicans, you can rest assured you will always have your pipeline full of poor people in various states of bad times to assist/exploit. "Less" doesn't mean "none".
lol yea because democrats can “cure” poverty. “Hay Guyz ElEcT uS AnD nO mOrE PoOr aNd eVerYoNe’s dIcK gEts bIgGer + UNiCorNs!”
Origen
08-23-2023, 06:15 PM
So if you right wing fellas are so convinced that "blue" cities are crime-ridden hellholes... what's your explanation for the rampant poverty in many "red" states?
Ooloo
08-23-2023, 06:16 PM
This whole topic came up because botten was slinging some total bullshit yesterday about red cities having more crime, which as it turns out is just utterly false. Just a reminder.
You say I don't provide data. Then I say the reason I don't is because I know you'll find some bullshit reason to ignore it. Then exactly that happens.
Elizondo
08-23-2023, 06:18 PM
Literally every blue hell hole is a tent city with human waste all over the side walks
It's total depravity and despair
All the blame lies squarely on the shoulders of demonic democrats
unsunghero
08-23-2023, 06:19 PM
So if you right wing fellas are so convinced that "blue" cities are crime-ridden hellholes... what's your explanation for the rampant poverty in many "red" states?
I would assume the same sort of reasons: too much hard drug use, too few entry level jobs with upward mobility, population density
Just possibly slightly less crime, depending on the city
Pretty sure some of these super poor red states still have blue cities but not super on top of my geography
Ooloo
08-23-2023, 06:19 PM
So if you right wing fellas are so convinced that "blue" cities are crime-ridden hellholes... what's your explanation for the rampant poverty in many "red" states?
Yes everyone understands that red cities also have crime. Nobody is saying that only blue cities have crime and that red cities have zero crime.
The problem is that the available data *clearly* shows blue cities have way more crime (specifically violent crime) than red cities, per capita. Which means population size is being controlled for.
So rather than deny that fact, maybe suggest ways that democrats can better control crime in their jurisdictions. Like for instance actually prosecuting and imprisoning violent criminals!
unsunghero
08-23-2023, 06:21 PM
This whole topic came up because botten was slinging some total bullshit yesterday about red cities having more crime, which as it turns out is just utterly false. Just a reminder.
You say I don't provide data. Then I say the reason I don't is because I know you'll find some bullshit reason to ignore it. Then exactly that happens.
It does appear that FBI crime statistics are kinda garbage. There seems to be some database switch in the last few years and so much isn’t being reported. That site posted that some states like FL just don’t participate it’s like WTF? No offense FBI but your record keeping sounds like dogshit
aussenseiter
08-23-2023, 06:22 PM
Yes everyone understands that red cities also have crime. Nobody is saying that only blue cities have crime and that red cities have zero crime.
The problem is that the available data *clearly* shows blue cities have way more crime (specifically violent crime) than red cities, per capita. Which means population size is being controlled for.
So rather than deny that fact, maybe suggest ways that democrats can better control crime in their jurisdictions. Like for instance actually prosecuting and imprisoning violent criminals!
Can it be explained by density instead of politics?
unsunghero
08-23-2023, 06:25 PM
Can it be explained by density instead of politics?
Definitely not internationally
There are parts of Asia, India, etc that are extremely population dense with not huge amounts of crime
But in the US, I could see how smashing people on top of each other in small spaces would lead to shitty attitudes. Too much traffic on the road is just the beginning….
Ooloo
08-23-2023, 06:31 PM
It does appear that FBI crime statistics are kinda garbage. There seems to be some database switch in the last few years and so much isn’t being reported. That site posted that some states like FL just don’t participate it’s like WTF? No offense FBI but your record keeping sounds like dogshit
Any problems with reporting would ostensibly apply accross the board. The stats that *are* reported show a clear unflattering trend for the left, which is hardly surprising given the stated goals and attitudes of democrat politicians and elected DA's with regard to crime prevention and prosecution.
To say nothing of what you can see with your own eyes in any of these cities.
Origen
08-23-2023, 06:36 PM
Yes everyone understands that red cities also have crime. Nobody is saying that only blue cities have crime and that red cities have zero crime.
The problem is that the available data *clearly* shows blue cities have way more crime (specifically violent crime) than red cities, per capita. Which means population size is being controlled for.
So rather than deny that fact, maybe suggest ways that democrats can better control crime in their jurisdictions. Like for instance actually prosecuting and imprisoning violent criminals!Didn't answer the question
Ooloo
08-23-2023, 06:37 PM
Can it be explained by density instead of politics?
No, because again, even NYC had far lower crime rates under giuliani, and specifically his policies.
This whole argument was about dem vs republican policy with regard to crime. The stats are what they are, imperfect though they may be.
Ooloo
08-23-2023, 06:40 PM
Didn't answer the question
Yeah, I did. I've answered it a billion times now.
Dem cities have far worse crime rates. Dem policies incentivize and perpetuate crime and drug abuse. It's blatantly obvious based on both available data and the stated goals and attitudes of democrats. I'm sorry about that, really I am. It's one of many reasons I can't support them anymore.
Origen
08-23-2023, 06:50 PM
Yeah, I did. I've answered it a billion times now.
Dem cities have far worse crime rates. Dem policies incentivize and perpetuate crime and drug abuse. It's blatantly obvious based on both available data and the stated goals and attitudes of democrats. I'm sorry about that, really I am. It's one of many reasons I can't support them anymore.I asked about red state poverty. What is your explanation for widespread poverty in red states?
Origen
08-23-2023, 06:53 PM
My blue city in red state is working to incarcerate a violent criminal tomorrow, hopefully he never comes out.
o7 antifa supersoldier... ?district attorney?
Life comes at you fast
He ain't gonna say the quiet part out loud
Origen
08-23-2023, 07:08 PM
Y'know I also wonder why you think these high-density cities consistently elect democrats in the first place. I am sure some big cities have republican mayors or city councils or whatever, and certainly police comissioners and shit like that... but are we pulling that crime data, too?
I openly admit I despise conservative dogshit a lot more than liberal bullshit, but I think this issue is a hell of a lot more complicated than "lori lightfoot bad because democrat, rudy giuliani good because republican".
Ooloo
08-23-2023, 07:11 PM
I asked about red state poverty. What is your explanation for widespread poverty in red states?
I haven't looked into it, but my guess would be that red states have more lower and lower-middle class people living in them. IE people who have a paper trail and can be easily counted.
"Poverty" needs to be specifically defined. People making less than 13k a year are considered impoverished. Homeless people, ironically, are often not counted as impoverished because they make *zero* money, which is treated as a separate category.
If you have no ID and often no social security number and you live on the street, you're certainly impoverished, but how is any formal census supposed to count you?
So the data is probably a lot harder to ascertain on the poverty question. Whereas on the crime question, it's literally just "how many murders happen here?" and those records are extremely simple to obtain.
Ooloo
08-23-2023, 07:13 PM
I openly admit I despise conservative dogshit a lot more than liberal bullshit, but I think this issue is a hell of a lot more complicated than "lori lightfoot bad because democrat, rudy giuliani good because republican".
Well nobody said that. It's more like: Lori lightfoot bad because of her policies; giuliani good because of his policies.
I really couldn't care less if there is an R or a D next to their name, what they actually do is all that matters.
aussenseiter
08-23-2023, 07:24 PM
Well nobody said that. It's more like: Lori lightfoot bad because of her policies; giuliani good because of his policies.
I really couldn't care less if there is an R or a D next to their name, what they actually do is all that matters.
Again I ask, is the Chicago City Attorney or DA independent from the Mayor?
Ooloo
08-23-2023, 07:28 PM
Again I ask, is the Chicago City Attorney or DA independent from the Mayor?
Independent how?
They are both dems, but yes they are different people. I don't get the question.
Lori lightfoot isn't the mayor anymore either, but it's just another woke idiot.
Origen
08-23-2023, 07:30 PM
I haven't looked into it, but my guess would be that red states have more lower and lower-middle class people living in them. IE people who have a paper trail and can be easily counted.
"Poverty" needs to be specifically defined. People making less than 13k a year are considered impoverished. Homeless people, ironically, are often not counted as impoverished because they make *zero* money, which is treated as a separate category.
If you have no ID and often no social security number and you live on the street, you're certainly impoverished, but how is any formal census supposed to count you?
So the data is probably a lot harder to ascertain on the poverty question. Whereas on the crime question, it's literally just "how many murders happen here?" and those records are extremely simple to obtain.Do the murder stats include police killings? What about deaths caused by eviction? How about someone who dies because they can't afford insulin? I think your definition of "violence" is too narrow.
As for poverty, a lot of definitions and statistics include children, the elderly, and the disabled. It gets more complicated. High population states might bear that out but Florida, specifically, makes it weirder.
Anyways, I'll take this as the long-winded way of saying "I don't know." and I appreciate the honesty.
Origen
08-23-2023, 07:31 PM
Lori lightfoot isn't the mayor anymore either, but it's just another woke idiot.Why do the woke idiots keep winning elections?! WHY DO THESE HOMOSEXUALS KEEP SUCKING MY DICK?!
Ooloo
08-23-2023, 07:35 PM
Do the murder stats include police killings? What about deaths caused by eviction? How about someone who dies because they can't afford insulin? I think your definition of "violence" is too narrow.
As for poverty, a lot of definitions and statistics include children, the elderly, and the disabled. It gets more complicated. High population states might bear that out but Florida, specifically, makes it weirder.
Anyways, I'll take this as the long-winded way of saying "I don't know." and I appreciate the honesty.
The murder stats do include police killings if the police actually murder people. Most "police killings" are not murders. Even george floyd wasn't murdered by any sane interpretation of law. He was negligently killed, and I think chauvin deserves time in prison for it. But it was not murder.
The rest of what you said are separate issues, not violent crime. I'm not going to expand the definition of violent crime to include things that aren't violent crime.
And the woke idiots keep winning elections because most of their constituency are also woke idiots.
aussenseiter
08-23-2023, 07:35 PM
Independent how?
They are both dems, but yes they are different people. I don't get the question.
Lori lightfoot isn't the mayor anymore either, but it's just another woke idiot.
You know like if the mayor isn't their boss. So crediting or blaming the mayor is mad retarded in a lot of cities and historically. It's different systems in different places.
Ooloo
08-23-2023, 07:37 PM
You know like if the mayor isn't their boss. So crediting or blaming the mayor is mad retarded in a lot of cities and historically. It's different systems in different places.
Well no shit sherlock. The point, again, is that they're all democrats with more or less the same sociopolitical sympathies and priorities.
Why you gotta be so tedious?
aussenseiter
08-23-2023, 07:38 PM
Seattle, for example, is in a bad way and has a Republican city attorney.
She's a real looker too! 🤤
Ooloo
08-23-2023, 07:54 PM
Seattle, for example, is in a bad way and has a Republican city attorney.
She's a real looker too! ��
Again D or R doesn't really matter, it's what they do. I would also suspect that the majority of Seattle is governed by democrats, the odd republican notwithstanding. So I'd argue it's becoming a hellhole in spite of that one republican, not because of her.
This whole beef was over republican vs dem governance with regard to crime. Pointing out that there's one republican in a failing dem city is an obvious red herring.
aussenseiter
08-23-2023, 07:59 PM
Again D or R doesn't really matter, it's what they do. I would also suspect that the majority of Seattle is governed by democrats, the odd republican notwithstanding. So I'd argue it's becoming a hellhole in spite of that one republican, not because of her.
This whole beef was over republican vs dem governance with regard to crime. Pointing out that there's one republican in a failing dem city is an obvious red herring.
The majority of Seattle's government doesn't decide what crimes to prosecute.
The city attorney does.
It is weird she's super far down the list for pay though.
Ooloo
08-23-2023, 08:04 PM
The majority of Seattle's government doesn't decide what crimes to prosecute.
The city attorney does.
It is weird she's super far down the list for pay though.
Okay fiiiiine. So, in this case, apparently the republican da is acting like a woke democrat da, if your implication is that she isn't prosecuting or is lightly prosecuting serious violent offenders. In that case, I wholeheartedly condemn it! Happy?
And what does "in a bad way" mean? People get turned out same day for violent assault like they do in nyc? Which specific crimes are not being prosecuted?
aussenseiter
08-23-2023, 08:07 PM
Okay fiiiiine. So, in this case, apparently the republican da is acting like a woke democrat da, if your implication is that she isn't prosecuting or is lightly prosecuting serious violent offenders. In that case, I wholeheartedly condemn it! Happy?
And what does "in a bad way" mean? People get turned out same day for violent assault like they do in nyc? Which specific crimes are not being prosecuted?
I think state prosecutors handle the serious offenders.
That's why Ronimus fired Andrew Warren for dereliction of duty.
City attorneys mostly do misdemeanors.
Ooloo says
Pointing out that there's one republican in a failing dem city is an obvious red herring.
Speaking of comedy gold.
aussenseiter
08-23-2023, 09:29 PM
Christie smoked Vivek, Rubio-style 😂
aussenseiter
08-23-2023, 11:06 PM
Ron kinda sucked sorry 😔
Botten
08-23-2023, 11:09 PM
On the other side Trump and Tucker use a platform Trump said he wouldn’t come back to after his ban for a pathetically comical interview.
Trump goes off on more republicans that at one time worked with him.
Calling Chris Christie a lunatic. Attacking Ron DeSantis who has already failed but further emphasizing he is gone. All while Tucker pushes the narrative that Bill Barr setup Jeff Epstein’s death and Trump could be next.
Meanwhile Trump it trailing off incoherently about water pressure and the Panama Canal.
And Biden’s beach pictures and that Trump has retired the phase Crooked Hillary and thinks Hillary should be thankful for that.
You can’t make this up!
This is epic, the GOP voters have like no incentive to bother with showing up November of next year.
This all while Trump’s mugshot could come out days from now (thou I hope they hold it).
unsunghero
08-23-2023, 11:15 PM
This all while Trump’s mugshot could come out days from now (thou I hope they hold it).
This is mostly seen as a positive to the GOP. I’ve already heard of multiple GOP online public figures saying they plan to make the mugshot into a t-shirt as a statement (assuming abuse of power or the like)
Botten. All that you just listed will just strengthen the resolve of the diehard repub.
Mugshot? Picking on the god king messiah.
Awful ranting and name calling? He just responding to the bastards who are picking on him. Secret society government operatives etc.
Using women in a negative light? Well women ARE below him so its his self given right.
We have learnt nothing.
unsunghero
08-23-2023, 11:50 PM
Botten. All that you just listed will just strengthen the resolve of the diehard repub.
Mugshot? Picking on the god king messiah.
^
Ya this
If anything now is to the diehard GOP a mini-martyr
Elizondo
08-24-2023, 12:37 AM
F-BSxBamg_I
ayyy lmao he got perp walked
https://i.imgur.com/5Nf0w2H.jpg
Homesteaded
08-24-2023, 02:19 AM
On the other side Trump and Tucker use a platform Trump said he wouldn’t come back to after his ban for a pathetically comical interview.
Trump goes off on more republicans that at one time worked with him.
Calling Chris Christie a lunatic. Attacking Ron DeSantis who has already failed but further emphasizing he is gone. All while Tucker pushes the narrative that Bill Barr setup Jeff Epstein’s death and Trump could be next.
Meanwhile Trump it trailing off incoherently about water pressure and the Panama Canal.
And Biden’s beach pictures and that Trump has retired the phase Crooked Hillary and thinks Hillary should be thankful for that.
You can’t make this up!
This is epic, the GOP voters have like no incentive to bother with showing up November of next year.
This all while Trump’s mugshot could come out days from now (thou I hope they hold it).
You really don’t get it do you?
Trump going off on the establishment, career politicians is a good thing.
Trump highlighting how the US Presidents of the past have sold out the American people.
Water pressure bit is about the climate change mind virus that implements moronic policies that don’t help.
Bill Barr is a slob. Not going after Epstein and allowing the cover up.
Your long list of spin is missing something. Democrats can vote for Biden? CA Boy? Kamala?
Anyone who would vote for Biden is beyond recovery.
magnetaress
08-24-2023, 02:26 AM
Seattle, for example, is in a bad way and has a Republican city attorney.
She's a real looker too! 🤤
gross but ok MXweasel
Landroval
08-24-2023, 02:39 AM
Literally every blue hell hole is a tent city with human waste all over the side walks
It's total depravity and despair
All the blame lies squarely on the shoulders of demonic democrats
Technically, the blame ultimately lay in the hands of the drug addicts vacationing on pleasure island too long and becoming Lampwick the donkey. Don't think there was a single school in California in the 80s who didn't try to encourage the D.A.R.E. program.
In the latter half of the nineties when gang culture was being glorified on TV and the hottest rapper on the scene was a man in prison on a murder rap calling his lyrics in on a prison pay phone and "the people" embraced this as epitomous of an idol worth glorifying that might've been a good place to turn back.
Literally every blue hell hole is a tent city with human waste all over the side walks
It's total depravity and despair
All the blame lies squarely on the shoulders of demonic democrats
It's sad that you've seemingly never been to a major city
Homesteaded
08-24-2023, 08:20 AM
It's sad that you've seemingly never been to a major city
Most recent big blue city I’ve been to is Atlanta. Saw a dude in a paper gown on the same corner for three days. Last day he was standing doubled over, naked and shitting on the sidewalk. Didn’t explore the city too much but plenty of evidence of rot.
Botten
08-24-2023, 08:28 AM
Poor EZ - In that video, the two people protesting the President’s motor car were laughable along with the single posted board on a lawn. It makes sense since Hawaii is an insanely blue state.
EZ and Homesteaded are agitated about the truth. Good.
Because sane people, including the independent voters the GOP desperately needed in 2016, will not be there after seeing Trump’s mugshot.
There was no encouragement from the clown fest of a GOP debate AND the ranting interview of rambling nut, as X-primetime humiliated journalist threatening the nut’s death and demise.
As a GOP voter you can feign pride in it all this but seeing the concerning responses everywhere further tells me the abysmal low energy state of the Conservative Party. I especially like how it was reported that in most states the GOP promotion committees are broke or in debt. I wonder why they just aren’t getting the donations.
:)
Origen
08-24-2023, 08:52 AM
Most recent big blue city I’ve been to is Atlanta. Saw a dude in a paper gown on the same corner for three days. Last day he was standing doubled over, naked and shitting on the sidewalk. Didn’t explore the city too much but plenty of evidence of rot.Why didn't you PM me we coulda had a beer and worked out our differences. I could show you the same stuff in my small exurb town. We've had two stabbings this week alone and all kinds of meth related incidents.
Why are Conservatives running small towns so poorly?!
Origen
08-24-2023, 08:57 AM
Ooloo says
Speaking of comedy gold.It's the usual tactic of "when you apply my logic to my side it doesn't count as logic anymore"
Anyways, I'm not interested enough to delve into it but Miami is led by a conservative
magnetaress
08-24-2023, 09:22 AM
Because it's not conservatives or dems running the small towns tho dems surely have everything to blame about skid row in big cities
which party has the most money and corporate sponsorship lol????
we are so fucked origen
it's not that your ideals are 'wrong' its that they aren't functional nor effective
and its not that homestead is an asshole he just wants ppl to be able to stand up for themselves and take out the trash if neccissary and he doesn't like that being neccissary anymore than u
Botten
08-24-2023, 09:25 AM
Ha ha ha look at this! Nixon peace symbols and Nikki's expression
2 winners and 3 losers from the first Republican debate (https://www.vox.com/2024-elections/2023/8/24/23843989/republican-debate-who-won-milwaukee-2024-election)
https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/TcR5eH75AsbtW6t6lEwJN2Dq_6A=/446x223:2683x1788/1200x800/filters:focal(1193x409:1621x837)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/72572923/1619654364.0.jpg
and ridiculous blank stare from Tucker (who lol predicts Trump's passing) on the interview on X
https://e3.365dm.com/23/08/2048x1152/skynews-donald-trump-carlson_6260618.jpg
GOP is so doomed lol
Elizondo
08-24-2023, 09:56 AM
22809
and counting
Origen
08-24-2023, 10:28 AM
Wow, viewcounts, huh?
As you know from your election expertise and commentary on Nielsen ratings, there is no way to fake viewcounts and you are definitely not grasping at straws.
aussenseiter
08-24-2023, 10:59 AM
Rob what's your take on Boris Yeltsin denouncing the Communist hardliners as reactionary in the August coup?
Botten
08-24-2023, 11:01 AM
<[silly picture of Fail Journalist who predicts X president passing>
and counting
You aren't impressing anyone with views on failed twitter.
Especially when you can buy 10 views for $0.02 (https://www.socialwick.com/twitter/views)
Nice Try EZ ha ha ha
Botten
08-24-2023, 11:25 AM
Looks like EZs viewership for Trump and Tucker's interview just got called out.
Please Note: Elon Musk has eliminated the ability of anyone to know how long any one viewer who clicked on the link actually spent watching Trump and Carlson talk, any numbers assigned to the real viewership are to be considered meaningless.
-Remember, the broadcast on X (formerly known as Twitter) lasted for 4 hours.
Just as a for instance, it was shown a 100,000 people did a connect click onto the X broadcast 1,000 times each. They weren't individual clicks but simply duplicate clicks by the similar accounts ranging in the thousands.
Oof sorry EZ ... GOP is still reflecting ridiculously low energy. Good
Origen
08-24-2023, 11:35 AM
Rob what's your take on Boris Yeltsin denouncing the Communist hardliners as reactionary in the August coup?Yeltsin sucked but so did soviet "communism" at that time, as well as the free market reforms he and Gorby tried. Can't speak to the individuals making up the hardliner group and their beliefs.
I ain't an expert on Russia, but at a glance it seems complex as hell.
Homesteaded
08-24-2023, 11:35 AM
Botten spinning out of control. Cheering on the communist capture. All so a guy he doesn’t like gets fucked by the system.
Homesteaded
08-24-2023, 11:37 AM
Why didn't you PM me we coulda had a beer and worked out our differences. I could show you the same stuff in my small exurb town. We've had two stabbings this week alone and all kinds of meth related incidents.
Why are Conservatives running small towns so poorly?!
Was down there with a big group of friends. Went to a casino in one of the Carolina’s, then went to Taledega on Sunday. I love the South, people are great down there.
Botten
08-24-2023, 11:38 AM
Botten spinning out of control. Cheering on the communist capture. All so a guy he doesn’t like gets fucked by the system.
Triggered? Good
Origen
08-24-2023, 12:04 PM
Was down there with a big group of friends. Went to a casino in one of the Carolina’s, then went to Taledega on Sunday. I love the South, people are great down there.Considering you were griping about a guy shitting on the sidewalk, you've got an odd way of showing that love.
aussenseiter
08-24-2023, 12:16 PM
https://i.imgur.com/Z2l1KS4.png
Toxigen
08-24-2023, 12:18 PM
i like the brown guy
his website says 2 genders
Origen
08-24-2023, 12:21 PM
Non-white conservatives working to lead the white supremacists are just trying to survive the fascist nightmare over the horizon if Trump wins re-election.
When they put him on trial for the crimes of being not white and not Christian, he wants to be able to reference his praise of Trump and thus receive a reduced sentence
Toxigen
08-24-2023, 12:23 PM
trump didnt say no to pending civil war on tucker
kinda glad im on the side with all the guns and not on the side filled with limp-wristed gender-confused dipshits
aussenseiter
08-24-2023, 12:25 PM
https://i.imgur.com/a3whfVG.png
When they put him on trial for the crimes of being not white and not Christian, he wants to be able to reference his praise of Trump and thus receive a reduced sentence
nah he'll be fine, the Waffen SS was pretty inclusive strangely enough.
https://i.imgur.com/PekDCic.png
aussenseiter
08-24-2023, 12:47 PM
i like the brown guy
his website says 2 genders
Is that a good enough reason to vote for him when he supports BRICs?
Ooloo
08-24-2023, 01:12 PM
Non-white conservatives working to lead the white supremacists are just trying to survive the fascist nightmare over the horizon if Trump wins re-election.
When they put him on trial for the crimes of being not white and not Christian, he wants to be able to reference his praise of Trump and thus receive a reduced sentence
Lol and you call other people conspiracy theorists.
The white supremacists who don't exist are actually everywhere! My house is probably bugged by them! They can probably hear me through the tv!
Origen
08-24-2023, 01:22 PM
There are white supremacists in this very thread, on this very page, and shitloads more out there in the wilds. They overwhelmingly vote for Republicans and it's not even close. That's a stone cold fact, everyone knows it, and by your evidence standards, the matter is settled.
I don't recall ever using "conspiracy theorist" as a pejorative, I believe in quite a few myself.
MrSparkle001
08-24-2023, 01:24 PM
I'm not participating in this thread other than to say that I think we should elect Trump in 2024 for the epic lols that will echo through history. It's all a fucking joke at this point anyway.
unsunghero
08-24-2023, 01:27 PM
Technically, the blame ultimately lay in the hands of the drug addicts vacationing on pleasure island too long and becoming Lampwick the donkey. Don't think there was a single school in California in the 80s who didn't try to encourage the D.A.R.E. program.
In the latter half of the nineties when gang culture was being glorified on TV and the hottest rapper on the scene was a man in prison on a murder rap calling his lyrics in on a prison pay phone and "the people" embraced this as epitomous of an idol worth glorifying that might've been a good place to turn back.
While I agree hard drugs are a huge contributor to the problem…rock and roll tends to encourage drug use as well
Rap is big on drug use and violence tho. But the question is: does art like music truly motivate people to murder? I say it depends on the individual, as there have been convicted killers who have reported being inspired by a particular violent song
Botten
08-24-2023, 01:35 PM
Lol and you call other people conspiracy theorists.
The white supremacists who don't exist are actually everywhere! My house is probably bugged by them! They can probably hear me through the tv!
As explained halfway through this video by Ben Shapiro you need more Trihaigtinum to project you from the woke agenda.
DxibfoPCJUE
Toxigen
08-24-2023, 01:44 PM
There are white supremacists in this very thread, on this very page, and shitloads more out there in the wilds. They overwhelmingly vote for Republicans and it's not even close. That's a stone cold fact, everyone knows it, and by your evidence standards, the matter is settled.
I don't recall ever using "conspiracy theorist" as a pejorative, I believe in quite a few myself.
maybe we're just tired of being called the problem when theres 40 murders a weekend in chicongo
unsunghero
08-24-2023, 01:50 PM
chicongo
It’s Chiraq
Origen
08-24-2023, 01:59 PM
maybe we're just tired of being called the problem when theres 40 murders a weekend in chicongoThey're two separate problems and your racism solves neither
magnetaress
08-24-2023, 02:16 PM
nah he'll be fine, the Waffen SS was pretty inclusive strangely enough.
https://i.imgur.com/PekDCic.png
I think just like everything else in history if u wherent a jew and spoke the speek and dressed the way ur supposed to and showed up to work u got paid
this is basically how the world works and i don't see why fascism or genocidal cultural eugenics should work any differently
(p.s. this post is meant to be a funny truism lol not promoting antisemitic values)
magnetaress
08-24-2023, 02:18 PM
a lot of PEOPLE could benifit from getting dressed and showing up to work clean and ready and eager and having a good vocabulary
i'm v much with patriam on this one
aussenseiter
08-24-2023, 02:22 PM
They're two separate problems and your racism solves neither
Does a pistol ban solve anything or is that just a trick and all guns would be classed pistols suddenly?
Origen
08-24-2023, 02:27 PM
Does a pistol ban solve anything or is that just a trick and all guns would be classed pistols suddenly?I doubt it. There will always be workarounds even if it didn't get chucked by 2a stuff.
Working class* must not be disarmed, etc.
* cops aren't working class
unsunghero
08-24-2023, 02:32 PM
Does a pistol ban solve anything or is that just a trick and all guns would be classed pistols suddenly?
Pistols kill way more people but AR’s are big, loud, and scary looking
Toxigen
08-24-2023, 02:39 PM
Pistols kill way more people but AR’s are big, loud, and scary looking
ARs produce ratings on cable news.
aussenseiter
08-24-2023, 02:54 PM
I doubt it. There will always be workarounds even if it didn't get chucked by 2a stuff.
Working class* must not be disarmed, etc.
* cops aren't working class
It's pretty easy to get them to abandon their priors with an appeal to racism.
Hope this helps.
Origen
08-24-2023, 03:00 PM
ARs produce ratings on cable news.So does crime reporting, but reactionaries roll their eyes at one and cower due to the other
It's pretty easy to get them to abandon their priors with an appeal to racism.
Hope this helps.It doesn't, I don't know what it means.
Botten
08-24-2023, 04:07 PM
EZ and Homesteaded LoL go ahead call it fake news
https://news.yahoo.com/poll-trump-could-be-in-big-trouble-for-2024-if-convicted-of-crimes-170551983.html
The survey of 1,665 U.S. adults was conducted from Aug. 17 to 21 — after the news of Trump’s most recent indictment, for allegedly orchestrating a racketeering ring to overturn the 2020 election results in Georgia....
A Trump conviction could upend the GOP primary
Asked about their current preference for the 2024 GOP presidential nomination, a full 52% of potential Republican primary voters — that is, voters who identify as Republicans or Republican-leaning independents — selected Trump. That makes him the party’s undisputed frontrunner, with the next closest candidate, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, trailing by 40 percentage points.
But when the same voters are asked a new follow-up question — “If Trump is convicted of a serious crime in the coming months, who would you vote for in your state’s 2024 Republican primary?” — support for the former president suddenly plummets by 17 points (to just 35%). Support for DeSantis, on the other hand, rises by 8 points (to 20%). Another 17% say they’re not sure (up from 14%). No other candidate gains more than a point or two.
nYBD6O4yZGQ
aussenseiter
08-24-2023, 04:14 PM
EZ and Homesteaded LoL go ahead call it fake news
https://news.yahoo.com/poll-trump-could-be-in-big-trouble-for-2024-if-convicted-of-crimes-170551983.html
nYBD6O4yZGQ
Polling Methodology and Margin of Error Calculation
The Yahoo! News survey was conducted by YouGov using a nationally representative sample of 1,665 U.S. adults interviewed online between August 17 – 21, 2023
Those don't count and you know they don't count. :p
Origen
08-24-2023, 04:24 PM
Never trust polls, especially when they are telling you 'good news'
Trexller
08-24-2023, 04:24 PM
Those don't count and you know they don't count. :p
doesn't matter to a guy like botten, he believes literally anything if it's written on the internet
dude thumps web links like alabamians thump the bible
both are deluded fools
Origen
08-24-2023, 04:31 PM
I thought this analysis was at least more interesting, but I dunno how reliable any of it is. I have a few years of experience in body language but mostly in the context of human/dog interaction.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/08/24/republican-debate-body-language-00112711
Sadre Spinegnawer
08-24-2023, 04:48 PM
Update. Trump is pro-Union. Says Atlanta "shouldn't have been rebuilt" and "deserved it."
https://i.imgur.com/vVi5ldi.jpg
Current polling shows state Republicans "in favor of more Reconstruction." New statues of Grant are erected, paid for by local Daughters of the Confederacy.
Status: still a cult.
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