NY GRAND JURY VOTES TO INDICT TRUMP

[Origen]

Which nations laws and consequences?I'm talking about Americans, so, America

Why do you run interference for these fascists?

[Origen]

Huh?? There are TONS of black and brown christians.

If you oppose the killing of homosexuals, you should probably oppose the religion that still does it with state-sanctioned authority more than the religion that doesn't. Like... just sayin.Yes, and Evangelical Christian Conservatives would purge them if they could, because they are white supremacists.

You're not going to make me anti-Islam, that's not ethical or Christian. I'm an American, so I oppose the people slowly destroying America

[Landroval]

I must've been the only white supremacist at the "Feshta" three times this summer. Hanging around all those brown people, eating Sopas n shit.

[Landroval]

Btw, Do Portuguese Catholics count as "brown", or is there colorism not dark enough, dirty enough, and poor enough, to make that classification for you?

[Landroval]

Yes, and Evangelical Christian Conservatives would purge them if they could, because they are white supremacists.

You're not going to make me anti-Islam, that's not ethical or Christian. I'm an American, so I oppose the people slowly destroying America
Lol. Wow. You're a fucking bigot big time. I wish we could all see things as black and white as you do.

All homosexual participate in pride parades dressed up as a human sized penis, and there are no gay christians

[Origen]

But you support the status quo of capitalism.

When Jews faked a pandemic and started launching rhetoric about forced vaccination upon the entire global populace to bolster their stock prices (see Moderna and Pfizer before and after "the pandemic") you supported that.

You support capitalism when it's your brand of capitalism, and you shouldnt be putting conditions on your unconditional loving in any regard.

You call it "capitalism" when it's the kind of Jewish bullshit you disagree with, but it's just "democracy" when it's the kind of Jewish bullshit you agree withThis is the fella calling me a bigot, lmfao.

[aussenseiter]

I'm talking about Americans, so, America

Why do you run interference for these fascists?

1) I don't think they're fascists and the ones that think themselves to be fascists, are very confused.
2) Ignoring them is better than engaging and losing. Let them monologue until they're blue in the face. Gwaihir has shown he can smoke me on Bible trivia. :p

[Landroval]

If there were any gay christians, whom are automatically "white", they would kill themselves for the good of the "white race".

[Landroval]

1) I don't think they're fascists and the ones that think themselves to be fascists, are very confused.
2) Ignoring them is better than engaging and losing. Let them monologue until they're blue in the face. Gwaihir has shown he can smoke me on Bible trivia. :p

To be fair, I can do that with essentially any pastor short of a seminary doctorate, and even some of them, as well.

I actually read stuff and exegesize.

[Origen]

1) I don't think they're fascists and the ones that think themselves to be fascists, are very confused.
2) Ignoring them is better than engaging and losing. Let them monologue until they're blue in the face. Gwaihir has shown he can smoke me on Bible trivia. :pThese guys fall flat on their faces and then declare themselves victorious, like little boys. Not always, obviously, but I mean "engaging and losing" is kind of meaningless when dealing with a person like that.

But I should ignore every last one of these fascists, yes

[Landroval]

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[Landroval]

Fascist is a meaningless term when you presume to tell everyone how to think on any given matter.

[Botten]

...
2) Ignoring them is better than engaging ...

the only truth...

however, no need to do the Castle2.0 thing.

Their rambling is telling of their trauma invalidating them in society's thinking.

[Landroval]

You build a lot of strawmans with preconceived notions on who anyone and everyone who doesn't agree with your personal ideological bent is. That's essentially entirely indiscernable from what racists and fascists do.

You project the label fascist onto anyone who disagrees with you, which is precisely what fascists do (except for perhaps using a different "label").

Unless you're willing to concede that there is such a thing a "a priori" knowledge (a very unscientific claim; See: Locke vs Liebniz), how can you know "what" anyone is? You can only know what you know from firsthand experience; which is an internalized process, so again I'll refer to projectionism.

[aussenseiter]

Their rambling is telling of their trauma invalidating them in society's thinking.

At this point, the mental illness contingency is tapped and activated. :rolleyes:

https://media.tenor.com/vtmNlOZXJXsAAAAM/harry-potter-wizards.gif

[Landroval]

I'm sorry that your fascist mind, doesn't get to control everyone else's

[Landroval]

See, if I were a fascist, I would want to control what everyone else thinks. I would project shame, and publicly disgrace, people who disagree with me.

On the contrary, I don't care what retarded rednecks think, just like I don't care what egotistical homosexual fascists think; they're both wrong, but who cares? People are wrong. It's ok to be wrong. That's just part of human imperfection.

[Landroval]

At this point, the mental illness contingency is tapped and activated. :rolleyes:

https://media.tenor.com/vtmNlOZXJXsAAAAM/harry-potter-wizards.gif

The communist Russians used to label is "sluggish schizophrenia" as a tool to discredit any and all dissent from the party line. They also identified presumed dissenters by the passion in which they clapped. Not only did you have to celebrate Stalinist implements, but you were criticized for not celebrating "enough". Totally not fascist fascism. Cuz they called it something else.

[Trexller]

Botten conceives of and takes on any strawman argument, because he can't win against actual men.

Botten's wife doesn't like strawmen.

Botten is like, "Mirror Mirror on the wall, who is most virtuous of all?"

then when the mirror shows an image he didn't expect, he writes an entire essay with citations and presents his paper to the mirror.

[Ekco]

luckily all these social issues will be fixed when the AI takes over running society. I'm hoping it's like Friend Computer from the Paranoia RPG

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[Ooloo]

Yes, and Evangelical Christian Conservatives would purge them if they could, because they are white supremacists.

You're not going to make me anti-Islam, that's not ethical or Christian. I'm an American, so I oppose the people slowly destroying America

I'm not trying to make you anti-islam. Everything isn't a binary choice. I'm pointing out that if you oppose something like the oppression of gay people, islam is currently a much worse offender than christianity.

And yes you clearly care about issues outside of just america because you complain about israel all the time.

Just have one standard and apply it equally, that's all I'm sayin.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

G.K Chesterton quote that I found quite intriguing:


Keep Chesterton's pithy defenses of theism out o' your mouth.

[Ooloo]

I think it's more a rebuke of unrestrained secularism than an endorsement of theism.

Also I heard that quote in this Michael Shellenberger (of twitter files fame) speech, which is absolutely spot-on and well worth the 40 min or so: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ey7iWsDYnJ8

[Trexller]

I'm not trying to make you anti-islam. Everything isn't a binary choice. I'm pointing out that if you oppose something like the oppression of gay people, islam is currently a much worse offender than christianity.

And yes you clearly care about issues outside of just america because you complain about israel all the time.

Just have one standard and apply it equally, that's all I'm sayin.

Rob Lost.

Libtards would have no standards if not for double standards.

[PRogers]

Republicans are all about freedom. Unless they are secretly turned on by you, then they have to destroy you.

https://tennesseelookout.com/2023/06/22/ag-made-sweeping-demands-for-vanderbilt-transgender-clinic-records-as-part-of-fraud-inquiry/

"Fraud inquiry" lol. He's looking for fraud, in peoples medical records full of pictures of pp details. Names, addresses, probably a lot of pictures. I wonder what someone would do with a bunch of pics of genitals and video of surgery..

We should probably start checking the medicals records of baptist church members, theere could be fraud there.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

democracy has a small D?

Look, I can tell you are "in the spiral" at this point. I told you, freon sneaks up on you. Got these little Joe's running around barely know paint they think they get a turn on the tank? Not as long as I'm still cogent.

[druidbob]

Holy fuck, some of you need to do less drugs and chill. And the rest of you need to do more drugs and chill.

[aussenseiter]

Republicans are all about freedom. Unless they are secretly turned on by you, then they have to destroy you.

https://tennesseelookout.com/2023/06/22/ag-made-sweeping-demands-for-vanderbilt-transgender-clinic-records-as-part-of-fraud-inquiry/

"Fraud inquiry" lol. He's looking for fraud, in peoples medical records full of pictures of pp details. Names, addresses, probably a lot of pictures. I wonder what someone would do with a bunch of pics of genitals and video of surgery..

We should probably start checking the medicals records of baptist church members, theere could be fraud there.

Is medical billing inscrutable? It doesn't seem to be. (https://www.npr.org/2023/06/28/1184795720/78-people-face-charges-for-2-5-billion-in-attempted-health-care-fraud-doj-says)

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Their rambling is telling of their trauma invalidating them in society's thinking.

That's been the beauty, hasn't it. It makes me think there must be a Grimm's Fairy Tale that corresponds to this little era we are having. Or some other tale. The little matchstick girl maybe. Prokofiev's version. That's always a real family-feel-good story.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Holy fuck, some of you need to do less drugs and chill. And the rest of you need to do more drugs and chill.

We could do a meetup at a dentist convention. If anyone is willing to "take one for the team" we can get a compromising picture and get lifetime nitrous. My Uncle did that with some of his Navy buddies pre-AIDS. It was no biggie for both sides. Unless you have like 2 dozen people, trust me, you do not want more than one tank a month, for Pete's sake. That's one dentist.

And then we could go to Burning Man and build an Oasis of Marr scale replica. We'd have a tank of nitrous to judiciously use, and we could have these discussions while roleplaying being Sand Giant.

We simply need a chaotic neutral rich person, and this happens. Oh, and a volunteer for the dentist convention.

[Homesteaded]

It’s certainly okay to be wrong. For me, accepting Gods grace is one of the more challenging aspects of belief. These claims that all these “white supremacists” would kill all these people is so off base.

As I’ve stated, we disagree on how to Love one another. Origen and Botten want to not judge anyone despite choices. Ones life circumstances do not determine the individuals life outcome. Choice is always there outside of fringe of the fringe circumstances.

It feels like we’re digging ourselves out of this lunacy hole. The only question is how deep we’ve delved.

[Landroval]

Origen and Botten want to not judge anyone despite choices. .

Except they do want to judge; based upon arbitrary standards that shift with majoritive social opinions, and they do want to be intolerant and bigoted toward anyone that doesn't champion their majoritive-defined self-righteousness.

It's pretty simple, a fascist wants to control the ideology of others. That's literally what they do on here all day long; policing perceived thoughtcrime determined by others' failure to meet their subjective (media)-majoritive-defined self-righteousness.

Literally, and figuratively ardent defenders of "the current thing"

[Botten]

It’s certainly okay to be wrong. For me, accepting Gods grace is one of the more challenging aspects of belief. These claims that all these “white supremacists” would kill all these people is so off base.

As I’ve stated, we disagree on how to Love one another. Origen and Botten want to not judge anyone despite choices. Ones life circumstances do not determine the individuals life outcome. Choice is always there outside of fringe of the fringe circumstances.

It feels like we’re digging ourselves out of this lunacy hole. The only question is how deep we’ve delved.

uh huh...

As far as I am concerned this just needs to continue trending down.

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/wp-content/uploads/sites/7/2022/09/PF_2022.09.13_religious-projections_00-01.png

[unsunghero]

Except they do want to judge; based upon arbitrary standards that shift with majoritive social opinions, and they do want to be intolerant and bigoted toward anyone that doesn't champion their majoritive-defined self-righteousness.

It's pretty simple, a fascist wants to control the ideology of others. That's literally what they do on here all day long; policing perceived thoughtcrime determined by others' failure to meet their subjective (media)-majoritive-defined self-righteousness.

Literally, and figuratively ardent defenders of "the current thing"

Such a brave position to agree with the current gov’t, universities, big tech, mainstream media, Hollywood, and most importantly the industry that makes or breaks your career: the music industry

Kidding. Her stance isn’t actually courageous at all. In fact, I don’t know if I even believe her. If she felt the other way, would she go through with career suicide to yell it on stage? Nah, she probably doesn’t have the balls to do that, and we all know it

So because she wouldn’t have the guts to proclaim the other ideology IMO, I don’t trust her word on on any ideology. For all I know she’s picking what’s safe exclusively because it’s safe

If I think the person would have the balls to post the unpopular opinion, I’m more likely to believe them when they post the popular one

[Botten]

Except they do want to judge; based upon arbitrary standards that shift with majoritive social opinions, and they do want to be intolerant and bigoted toward anyone that doesn't champion their majoritive-defined self-righteousness.

It's pretty simple, a fascist wants to control the ideology of others. That's literally what they do on here all day long; policing perceived thoughtcrime determined by others' failure to meet their subjective (media)-majoritive-defined self-righteousness.

Literally, and figuratively ardent defenders of "the current thing"

The irony,

Online cartoon Pepe the Frog has been added to the Anti-Defamation League (ADL)'s database of hate symbols.

Other logos cited as offensive by the ADL include the Swastika and the "Blood Drop Cross" of the Ku Klux Klan (KKK).

Not everyday your avatar gets grouped with the very thing you complain others are forcing on to you.

:rolleyes:

[Elizondo]

Low T Beta Feminists keep posting things that nobody cares about

[unsunghero]

Virtue signaling Hollywood perfectly willing to let their college-educated, probably mostly democrat writers starve and lose their homes, waiting out their resources like it’s a castle siege

I’ll be sure to listen to Hollywood lecture me on what mainstream media and the DNC tells them is “virtuous” though. They are our moral compass after all

This doesn’t change the fact that most modern writers are garbage at their jobs. So this is like a contest of who can be shittier, the writers’ competence or the industry’s morals

[Duik]

EphemrAlizondo assigning labels (that no one cares about) to people. That'll leave a mark...
Short contradictory catch phrases denote high T alpha (untested, unreliable product) male. Hehe, I kill me.
Measure of testosterone is obviously a true measure of manlyness.
Oops, /sarcasm OFF

[aussenseiter]

Virtue signaling Hollywood perfectly willing to let their college-educated, probably mostly democrat writers starve and lose their homes, waiting out their resources like it’s a castle siege

I’ll be sure to listen to Hollywood lecture me on what mainstream media and the DNC tells them is “virtuous” though. They are our moral compass after all

This doesn’t change the fact that most modern writers are garbage at their jobs. So this is like a contest of who can be shittier, the writers’ competence or the industry’s morals

https://www.project1999.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22332&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1689393263

I think most "Hollywood writers", whatever that is, could retire today and be completely comfortable if they adjusted their lifestyle / moved to a different state and just chilled.

Awful look for unions here. They're doing the Botten dishonesty thing I guess.

[unsunghero]

I think most "Hollywood writers", whatever that is, could retire today and be completely comfortable if they adjusted their lifestyle / moved to a different state and just chilled.

Awful look for unions here. They're doing the Botten dishonesty thing I guess.

You think so?

I have no idea what they make, I just heard even the rare good ones weren’t paid that well

[Landroval]

The irony,

Online cartoon Pepe the Frog has been added to the Anti-Defamation League (ADL)'s database of hate symbols.

Other logos cited as offensive by the ADL include the Swastika and the "Blood Drop Cross" of the Ku Klux Klan (KKK).

Not everyday your avatar gets grouped with the very thing you complain others are forcing on to you.

:rolleyes:
The ADL is an extension of the state which you purportedly despise as being racist, oppressive, and unjust like a nigardly pet owner rotating it's preference for feeding one dog while the other starves, keeping each dog on the brink of starvation as it suits the building a cycle of resentment and division between each dog.

When you talk about your disdain for "rich, white, men", is that specifically the Christian ones? Or is it just yesterday's government-faced variety?

[Elizondo]

EphemrAlizondo assigning labels (that no one cares about) to people. That'll leave a mark...
Short contradictory catch phrases denote high T alpha (untested, unreliable product) male. Hehe, I kill me.
Measure of testosterone is obviously a true measure of manlyness.
Oops, /sarcasm OFF

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[Duik]

22333

Use your words!
Point on the Pikachu toy where the naughty Gamma corrected bad man touched you.

[Ekco]

Virtue signaling Hollywood perfectly willing to let their college-educated, probably mostly democrat writers starve and lose their homes, waiting out their resources like it’s a castle siege

I’ll be sure to listen to Hollywood lecture me on what mainstream media and the DNC tells them is “virtuous” though. They are our moral compass after all

This doesn’t change the fact that most modern writers are garbage at their jobs. So this is like a contest of who can be shittier, the writers’ competence or the industry’s morals

fuck those writers. Tv has been terrible for like 2 decades now. shit was better written in the 90s.

just put Aaron Sorkin in a room with a pile of cocaine and let the magic happen.

[druidbob]

The last time there was a strike in Hollywood, we got a wave of reality TV as a result, including The Apprentice. This put Trump in the national spotlight again, and ultimately led to him becoming president. Wonder who the future president will be as a result of this one. Fran Drescher maybe?

[Origen]

just put Aaron Sorkin in a room with a pile of cocaine and let the magic happen.Sorkin is terrible and dishonest, replace that hack with an AI and give the cocaine to Tommy Wiseau, at least he's funny

I think most "Hollywood writers", whatever that is, could retire today and be completely comfortable if they adjusted their lifestyle / moved to a different state and just chilled.

Awful look for unions here. They're doing the Botten dishonesty thing I guess.Yeah but you already hate unions. The union rep guy I heard an interview with claimed that for every rich one there's a hundred broke ones.

[aussenseiter]

Sorkin is terrible and dishonest, replace that hack with an AI and give the cocaine to Tommy Wiseau, at least he's funny

Yeah but you already hate unions. The union rep guy I heard an interview with claimed that for every rich one there's a hundred broke ones.

Like to make fun of is not the same as hate.

I'm a size 10 concrete shoes, by the way. 😴🐟

[Botten]

The last time there was a strike in Hollywood, we got a wave of reality TV as a result, including The Apprentice. This put Trump in the national spotlight again, and ultimately led to him becoming president. Wonder who the future president will be as a result of this one. Fran Drescher maybe?

I am so busy with work sometimes like others I mind numbingly just use one of the platforms like YouTube, TikTok, Twitch or Instagram.

Many believe those platforms just have exploited teens and no content but you would be surprised.

Next stars are probably on these platforms and making much more money compared to TV and movie actors/writers.

As far as my concerns are - recent movies have been mediocre or bad. The New Starwars movies were absolutely horrible. Only series that had my attention was Game of Thrones but that sadly had a terrible ending. Even StarTrek needs some real help. I miss House and Scrubs.

AI is the future. The art world has been hit harder. Actors and writers will need to live along with this new technology. IÂ’m using it for precision medicine and next-generation protein sequencing. We have lost staff to AI too. Not to be coldhearted, but maybe itÂ’s time to think about national unemployed pay (outside of social security). I see other nations are experimenting with it.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

fuck those writers. Tv has been terrible for like 2 decades now. shit was better written in the 90s.

just put Aaron Sorkin in a room with a pile of cocaine and let the magic happen.

Yeah but then Kevin Spacey walks in after Aaron has you nice and numb.

Pity about Kevin. He was a ferocious actor in some of his movies, really mindblowing.

But then he decided to do rapes. :(

[druidbob]

Watching AI take over art and music while humans continue to work menial service jobs was definitely not the direction I expected progress to take us, but here we are.

[aussenseiter]

AI is the future. The art world has been hit harder. Actors and writers will need to live along with this new technology. IÂ’m using it for precision medicine and next-generation protein sequencing. We have lost staff to AI too. Not to be coldhearted, but maybe itÂ’s time to think about national unemployed pay (outside of social security). I see other nations are experimenting with it.

https://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/kincaid-v-williams/

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

The key to watch Pay It Forward is to simply not watch the end. When Haley Joel Osment is getting interviewed, say, "Well that was an alright movie, some amazing acting from Helen Hunt and Spacey, and the kid is amazing." Turn it right off.

Helen Hunt is unreal in that movie. She can turn her face from "I'm pretty" to "I'm so fucking tired" in a second.

Why not pay it forward? I asked an old friend recently, who is in his early 50's living in halfway house and working at their organic food store at street level. Rent free, but has to work. Deal?

"How can I pay it forward?? I'm only making 9 dollars an hour for this crap job!"

He does not grasp the concept.

[Botten]

https://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/kincaid-v-williams/

Meh, if not covered by gov then the state. Really neutral to this. A win or a lose will work. A win good for those suffering in the backwards south and a lose more motivation to the GOP base to think all is well (ie that no matter who is president it can’t be undone). The irony is Low energy is going to decided the next 5 and half years.

[aussenseiter]

Meh, if not covered by gov then the state. Really neutral to this. A win or a lose will work. A win good for those suffering in the backwards south and a lose more motivation to the GOP base to think all is well (ie that no matter who is president it can’t be undone). The irony is Low energy is going to decided the next 5 and half years.

The exceptions that prove the rule. (https://apnews.com/article/abortion-science-health-government-and-politics-arizona-fc2114ecfce72eeca65e21fb970ca62f)

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

This is why France tried the 4 day work week like 20 years ago. The problem is "skyscraper effect." Top tier countries are pretty darn close already to labor unsustainability. Not there yet, but it like the Balrog: you know its awakened.

By "labor unsustainability" I mean the equation of money-for-work, labor, will start to need increased "subsidy" in order for the entire system of "I must work" to remain politically viable as a social contract.

All kinds of subsidies are already in play, to make the wages the pure market can get you enough to keep you sane. From top to bottom, there is often some subsidy in some form, that helps the reality of the market wage not tilt workers toward going nuts. Even Ruch people get them. Because my theory is, everyone is about to go nuts. It's America. Apex country of apex predator. The higher the fewer.

At a certain point, in the US and other top tier countries, the pointlessness of labor will start to break through. labor is needed, but not so many hours, and so, where's my means to live? At this point, we reach the inflection point called, the obsolescence of labor.

That will hit harder and covid really accelerated the "mass consciousness" of how silly we are, going so nuts over money because my god she's about to blow. Lol. No she's not.

The "skyscraper effect" is that while nations like the US can transition to post-labor based political societies, billions of people in other countries are still about 100 years before they reach this point. These will be massive social changes.

Will these changes in the top floors cause the whole tower to sway and collapse?

Jet fuel might not melt steel beams, but this could.

[Botten]

The exceptions that prove the rule. (https://apnews.com/article/abortion-science-health-government-and-politics-arizona-fc2114ecfce72eeca65e21fb970ca62f)

apples to oranges

high energy responses in swing states make bigger ripples for the waiting wave.

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[aussenseiter]

apples to oranges

high energy responses in swing states make bigger ripples for the waiting wave.

z10j_H7zOb8

I mean yeah but Griswold is phoney baloney. The thing says nothing like that.

[unsunghero]

Yeah but then Kevin Spacey walks in after Aaron has you nice and numb.

Pity about Kevin. He was a ferocious actor in some of his movies, really mindblowing.

But then he decided to do rapes. :(

Yeah really liked him as John Doe in Seven

He was even great in horrible bosses

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TgACfyfjFBI

[unsunghero]

Simple solution: Ask a homeless person who is pitching a tent near your store if you will pay them $50 for some of that gooood fent, meth, or tranq, if they would be willing to put your store sign on the side of their tent

There you go, problem solved. Their tents can’t be touched, now your sign can’t be touched

Oh wait, you probably won’t have many more customers because that homeless dude is going to be shitting, peeing, and maybe having a wank sometimes within 30 yards of the store

Ah well, you just screwed then

[unsunghero]

So much for that caring about the environment bit huh?

That’s just what rich politicians say to feel good about themselves as they fly around on their private jets?

We need Greta up in here

[Evia]

How dare you

[aussenseiter]

Simple solution: Ask a homeless person who is pitching a tent near your store if you will pay them $50 for some of that gooood fent, meth, or tranq, if they would be willing to put your store sign on the side of their tent

There you go, problem solved. Their tents can’t be touched, now your sign can’t be touched

Oh wait, you probably won’t have many more customers because that homeless dude is going to be shitting, peeing, and maybe having a wank sometimes within 30 yards of the store

Ah well, you just screwed then

https://www.project1999.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22338&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1689521113

This is why lolberts say we need private sidewalks.

[magnetaress]

This is why France tried the 4 day work week like 20 years ago. The problem is "skyscraper effect." Top tier countries are pretty darn close already to labor unsustainability. Not there yet, but it like the Balrog: you know its awakened.

By "labor unsustainability" I mean the equation of money-for-work, labor, will start to need increased "subsidy" in order for the entire system of "I must work" to remain politically viable as a social contract.

All kinds of subsidies are already in play, to make the wages the pure market can get you enough to keep you sane. From top to bottom, there is often some subsidy in some form, that helps the reality of the market wage not tilt workers toward going nuts. Even Ruch people get them. Because my theory is, everyone is about to go nuts. It's America. Apex country of apex predator. The higher the fewer.

At a certain point, in the US and other top tier countries, the pointlessness of labor will start to break through. labor is needed, but not so many hours, and so, where's my means to live? At this point, we reach the inflection point called, the obsolescence of labor.

That will hit harder and covid really accelerated the "mass consciousness" of how silly we are, going so nuts over money because my god she's about to blow. Lol. No she's not.

The "skyscraper effect" is that while nations like the US can transition to post-labor based political societies, billions of people in other countries are still about 100 years before they reach this point. These will be massive social changes.

Will these changes in the top floors cause the whole tower to sway and collapse?

Jet fuel might not melt steel beams, but this could.
You a will really hate me butt strict population control will lead to a labor shortage which would fix all our little red wagons nicely.
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Also

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Is anyone of importance in jail yet (not us lol). :D

[Trexller]

Democrat run Philadelphia:

M-6TaN-9LnU

[arvidez]

the neo-homeless have displaced the strong with numbers?

we had a woman who sat at a corner looking like i pile of laundry. 10yrs?

her corner is a camp for the deranged now. they managed to unhome a homeless.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

White people afraid of people on streets. Oh lord, really? Say it ain't so, Joe!

Mao said, the true revolutionary swims among the people like a fish in the ocean. Mao was pretty nuts by the time that he got to his no-bathing stage but he knew how to hustle.

All these people, they just made the Spock-with-a-beard version of your decision. They can't handle your world and you can't handle theirs, but, as Se01; Ep27 "The Alternative Factor" proves, it's basically all ya'll's fault, you get it?
https://i.imgur.com/okvTdtu.jpg

I'm footloose and fancy free.

[Ooloo]

Sadre continuing to post as if in the midst of a meth bender.

Nobody is afraid of people on the streets exactly, it's more just incredibly sad and depressing.

I dated a girl who was an opioid addict for 6 years. Now she's dead. It's not real amusing what is being allowed to happen to these people.

[unsunghero]

Sadre continuing to post as if in the midst of a meth bender.

Nobody is afraid of people on the streets exactly, it's more just incredibly sad and depressing.

I dated a girl who was an opioid addict for 6 years. Now she's dead. It's not real amusing what is being allowed to happen to these people.

I remember I was driving to work a few months ago and parked at a crossroads at a concrete bridge underpass

I noticed a dirty homeless woman with her shopping cart full of stuff camped out under the bridge, and as soon as I parked to make my left turn waiting on the light, she stood up

Before I could worry if she was going to come over and try to hassle me for money, she instead took only 4 steps to the right of her camp, pulled down her pants, and took a hearty shit for someone who isn't getting a lot of food

I remember thinking, you want to smell that next to you for the rest of the day, or however long you stay in your camp? Then thinking that the shit log was only like 2 feet from a sidewalk as well

Fuckin nasty. If I had to pick the one thing I personally dislike most about the homeless, it'll have to be the human shit

[Ripp]

Democrat run Philadelphia:

M-6TaN-9LnU

Working as intended.™

[Botten]

Would be worse under republicans. Simply for the fact the programs to get them off the street and help them; get axed to provide further tax relief for the rich.

If you bring up California you haven't seen Texas: ( 44.05 percent of residents suffer the same way. (https://www.fox26houston.com/news/texas-has-the-5th-highest-homelessness-rate-in-the-nation-study))

[aussenseiter]

Would be worse under republicans. Simply for the fact the programs to get them off the street and help them; get axed to provide further tax relief for the rich.

If you bring up California you haven't seen Texas: ( 44.05 percent of residents suffer the same way. (https://www.fox26houston.com/news/texas-has-the-5th-highest-homelessness-rate-in-the-nation-study))

https://i.imgur.com/yCC45gf.png

https://i.imgur.com/zOnvMJU.png

[Ekco]

that's a typo in that article. it's not 44% of residents it's 44% of the homeless population are in shelters. Texas has 30 million people in it. if it was 44% shit would be chaos

[Ripp]

Would be worse under republicans. Simply for the fact the programs to get them off the street and help them; get axed to provide further tax relief for the rich.

If you bring up California you haven't seen Texas: ( 44.05 percent of residents suffer the same way. (https://www.fox26houston.com/news/texas-has-the-5th-highest-homelessness-rate-in-the-nation-study))

That's just nonsense. The top two homeless states are Democratic run states.

1. California – 161,548
2. New York – 91,271
3. Florida – 27,487
4. Texas – 27,229

It's not even close. Florida and Texas have huge populations but STILL fall far behind CA and NY. But hey, keep voting that way, I'm sure it'll improve. ;)

-vc6CHRrtH8

[Botten]

https://i.imgur.com/yCC45gf.png


Wow Homes are cheap in Texas too. Wish house prices were that way in CA! Less than $300,000 sounds like a dream.


So much fail.

[Trexller]

LOL Botten is too fuckin stupid, there's no way this guy has a PHD

[Ooloo]

Oh stfu botten. The relationship between dem governance and crime\drug addicted misery is just too clear to ignore. You keep bringing up the exceptions that prove the rule.

In case you don't know what that means: if 90% of crime ridden hellholes are governed by dems and 10% are governed by republicans, the republican ones are the exception and the dem ones are the rule. Because duh.

[Ekco]

Wow Homes are cheap in Texas too. Wish house prices were that way in CA! Less than $300,000 sounds like a dream.


So much fail.

Texas is based.


The Senate got what it wanted and increased the homestead exemption from $40,000 to $100,000.

The House got what it wanted and "compressed" school property taxes by essentially giving school districts $12 billion in order to reduce the burden on Texas homeowners.

"It will cut school taxes for homeowners by about 41 percent, and people who have business properties about 23 percent," Patrick explained while breaking the compromise down.

On average, Patrick said the new compromise will see Texas homeowners paying $1,200 to $1,450 less in property taxes than they did previously -- beginning this year.



renters mad
TEXAS POLITICS
North Texas Democrat says Texas renters should benefit more from property tax relief bill

[Botten]

Oh stfu botten. The relationship between dem governance and crime\drug addicted misery is just too clear to ignore. You keep bringing up the exceptions that prove the rule.

In case you don't know what that means: if 90% of crime ridden hellholes are governed by dems and 10% are governed by republicans, the republican ones are the exception and the dem ones are the rule. Because duh.

Is that what Ben Shapiro told ya? heh

[Ooloo]

Is that what Ben Shapiro told ya? heh

No I learned that in like 8th grade math

[aussenseiter]

Oh stfu botten. The relationship between dem governance and crime\drug addicted misery is just too clear to ignore. You keep bringing up the exceptions that prove the rule.

In case you don't know what that means: if 90% of crime ridden hellholes are governed by dems and 10% are governed by republicans, the republican ones are the exception and the dem ones are the rule. Because duh.

Fort Worth and OKC in the top 25. (https://ballotpedia.org/Party_affiliation_of_the_mayors_of_the_100_largest _cities)

[Ripp]

LOL Botten is too fuckin stupid, there's no way this guy has a PHD

Have you SEEN college professors these days? :D

https://media.giphy.com/media/VWhWSuBUq0dos/giphy.gif

[Botten]

Have you SEEN college professors these days? :D

https://media.giphy.com/media/VWhWSuBUq0dos/giphy.gif

No doubt. Education system is riddled with democrats.

[Ooloo]

Hey here's an idea: affirmative action but it's based on political affiliation instead of race.

The country is roughly 50\50 lib\conservative. Professors should reflect that if you actually care about educating and empowering students which I assume is the point of these retardedly expensive colleges.

And encourage students to push back against all of them. The two sides are meant to be balances and checks against the excesses of the other. This is the whole point of the country.

[Botten]

Hey here's an idea: affirmative action but it's based on political affiliation instead of race.

The country is roughly 50\50 lib\conservative. Professors should reflect that if you actually care about educating and empowering students which I assume is the point of these retardedly expensive colleges.

And encourage students to push back against all of them. The two sides are meant to be balances and checks against the excesses of the other. This is the whole point of the country.

I don't know about roughly 50 : 50....

Wasn't the popular vote last presidential election

Democrats 51.3%
Republicans 46.8%

As the boomers die off and Gen Z matures (with so many of the population with degrees) I don't see the nation getting more conservative outside the Supreme Court's decisions.

[Botten]

Besides Ooloo, surprised you haven't made some wild accusation that Biden is trying to start a blue wave or further cheating with his new announcement to help struggling Americans?

Education Dept. Cancels $39 Billion in Student Debt for 800,000 Borrowers (https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/14/business/student-loan-forgiveness.html)

You going to cry this was only a poly to buy votes and not him trying to keep his promise?

Stock Market up.
GDP up
Profits up.
Consumer confidence up.
Inflation down.
Home prices up.
Wage increases higher than in years
Record low unemployment.

Republican talking heads... "BiDeN HaS CoMpLeTeLy rUiNeD ThE EcOnOmY."

[aussenseiter]

I don't know about roughly 50 : 50....

Wasn't the popular vote last presidential election

Democrats 51.3%
Republicans 46.8%

As the boomers die off and Gen Z matures (with so many of the population with degrees) I don't see the nation getting more conservative outside the Supreme Court's decisions.

Popular vote only counts for Senators except in uh, Maine and Nebraska?

[unsunghero]

Politics don’t belong in education unless teaching things like political science or policy making or something where the student is going to be professionally involved in them in the future

Your students are your customers and anyone pushing their politics onto their customers is a bad professional IMO, doesn’t matter the job

I guess educators don’t have to worry about alienating half their customer base with their politics when they are the only option at that school for whatever course

[unsunghero]

^
My favorite teacher of all time was a chemistry teacher (HS version not college, I made the mistake of also taking chem in college instead of geology like most did to get that credit type out of the way and regretted it) who was a goofy guy who cracked jokes and used to play lacrosse

That’s all we knew about the guy, was that he was funny and played lacrosse. I didn’t know who his wife or husband was, who he voted for, what he thought about Bush or Al Gore, none of that shit

He had a lacrosse stick and would launch balls in the direction of kids who were talking, it was great

[Botten]

Popular vote only counts for Senators except in uh, Maine and Nebraska?

Joe Biden Might Be Unstoppable in 2024 (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/joe-biden-might-be-unstoppable-in-2024/ar-AA1dVMRD?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=0d04f8de59d44650af373644436b8ad3&ei=15)

[Ooloo]

Politics don’t belong in education unless teaching things like political science or policy making or something where the student is going to be professionally involved in them in the future

Your students are your customers and anyone pushing their politics onto their customers is a bad professional IMO, doesn’t matter the job

I guess educators don’t have to worry about alienating half their customer base with their politics when they are the only option at that school for whatever course

Well of course but as recent history has shown the political sympathies of the professors will work their way into even the most hard sciences. In an ideal world there would be enough politically neutral professors that you could hire only them, but there are only so many to go around. Next best thing is having a 50\50 split and there are potential conservative professors born every day, but they aren't getting hired by the mega lib administrators.

I'm highly skeptical of going to college at all outside of really specialized, useful skills. Aka trade school. Most 18 year olds barely know who they are or what they believe at that age.

[unsunghero]

Most 18 year olds barely know who they are or what they believe at that age.

Conversely, I think it is a bad idea to work one’s politics into their identity and sense of self-esteem. Find something else not so corruptible to replace religion with, IMO

If I had to list things about myself going down from importance, politics would be wayyy the F down that list

[aussenseiter]

Joe Biden Might Be Unstoppable in 2024 (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/joe-biden-might-be-unstoppable-in-2024/ar-AA1dVMRD?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=0d04f8de59d44650af373644436b8ad3&ei=15)

He won't even make the ballot in New Hampshire.

[Ooloo]

Conversely, I think it is a bad idea to work one’s politics into their identity and sense of self-esteem. Find something else not so corruptible to replace religion with, IMO

If I had to list things about myself going down from importance, politics would be wayyy the F down that list

Well maybe politics isn't the right word, but politics is eventually inseparable from how people think and live. I don't think it lives in some fundamentally separate category.

"Can men give birth?" might be a good question to ask aspiring professors, with no preference to their answer. Hire one of each. But it's a pretty important question to ask right now, and it doesn't have much to do with tax rates or deficit spending.

[druidbob]

I'm highly skeptical of going to college at all outside of really specialized, useful skills. Aka trade school. Most 18 year olds barely know who they are or what they believe at that age.
This is why I have sympathy towards the student loan forgiveness argument. Telling a 17 year old that he needs to hurry up and decide on a career and that they need to take out a huge ass loan to pay for the piece of paper to let them do it otherwise they will be flipping burgers for the rest of their life is downright coercive imo. Especially when they are being told this by a school councilor aka the people they have been told their whole life to trust for providing them with information and good advice.

[unsunghero]

Well maybe politics isn't the right word, but politics is eventually inseparable from how people think and live. I don't think it lives in some fundamentally separate category.

"Can men give birth?" might be a good question to ask aspiring professors, with no preference to their answer. Hire one of each. But it's a pretty important question to ask right now, and it doesn't have much to do with tax rates or deficit spending.

Maybe it’s rose-colored glasses, but politics used to be far less important to someone’s sense of self and personality 20 years ago than today. I prefer how it was

Politics should be about how to govern, not how to think and live. I dunno what should guide people there if they don’t have or hate religion like this new generation, but it shouldn’t be corruptible politics

[unsunghero]

^
Politics telling people how to live is great until the wrong political party is in charge

Technically, culture and community should be teaching people how to live, but community is a dead concept nowadays

Anyone who thinks it’s not, feel free to list the first names of all your neighbors and how many new friends you’ve made this month. Community has been dying for a while

[Duik]

Watching AI take over art and music while humans continue to work menial service jobs was definitely not the direction I expected progress to take us, but here we are.

So lets keep heading to the cinemas while AI is "writing" the scripts/screenplays and let "them" win!
We are actually in charge, we just dont enable that mode.
AI Captain, warp speed ahead Binary Mr. Spock.

Ha a thought, portions of our population dont like non- binary folk, so the the AI is merely providing what we asked for!#!
1st full ai movie.
Full Binary Jacket.
This is my bible, this is my gun.
This i'm rewriting, this one's for fun(damentalists).

I. Can't. Wait.
I wonder if tickets will be sold online. Prolly only at the door, stationed by a BI (bio intelligence).
Fuck Yeah.

AI = Alpha Intelligence.

BI = Beta Intelligence.

[Duik]

What we need to understand is that most teachers ae not cool or understanding of a students needs, fears, wants and dreams. They are mostly living day to day (like most people) to be worried about others. Sure, some manage a cursory feining of interest in the students or are genuinely intrigued, combined with a lingering memory of their own shattered dream.
Then, reality hits them as they remember that the rates are imminent and car rego is past due.
Dont get me wrong, some rock. I had one great teacher, music. Lived it, breathed it. Shared every type with his west sydney bogan (sorta like a redneck) students, ballet, operas, string quartets etc. Then his kids were born, bingo no time for sharing his his awesomeness.
As an adult i get that.
As a student im sure i showed resentment. Ungrateful son of a bitch i was.

Community certainly has changed, im late 50's and knew every family in my street as a kid. Now, as unsung said, i live in a street with only 3 houses, i work with 2 of them. I believe that is the sole reason i can name them. I dunno what the answer is, but ido know its not joining a religious or political cult tyat defines my whole being.
Rick climbing, playing guitar or sax (alto), scuba diving, 4 wheel driving or computer programing.
All those things stole my time at one point.
None do now, as a pair of wise girls once said, There's dust on my guitar you fuck, and its all your fault.

[aussenseiter]

This is my bible, this is my gun.


This isn't binary.

[aussenseiter]

This is why I have sympathy towards the student loan forgiveness argument. Telling a 17 year old that he needs to hurry up and decide on a career and that they need to take out a huge ass loan to pay for the piece of paper to let them do it otherwise they will be flipping burgers for the rest of their life is downright coercive imo. Especially when they are being told this by a school councilor aka the people they have been told their whole life to trust for providing them with information and good advice.

Should the people who do have to flip burgers for the rest of their life have to pay for that?

[Botten]

He won't even make the ballot in New Hampshire.

It will be figured out
*admit a mistake and restore the old order
*sanction a write-in
*ignore the primary

[druidbob]

Should the people who do have to flip burgers for the rest of their life have to pay for that?

Oh no, that's why I say I sympathize with the position but not necessarily support it. I will admit that while I recognize that student debt is a problem, I don't have a good solution. I just don't like that the students themselves seem to get most of the blame when really they were mostly naive teenagers that were told to take out a massive loan to go to college or be poor the rest of their lives.

[magnetaress]

He won't even make the ballot in New Hampshire.

dude if we get another old man for prez i will not be surprised or disappointed because i have zero hope anymore for the rest of humanity

All I know is that if this is what I bitch about when I am dead and meet G-d he's going to laugh his ass off at me then send me right back, probably into an even more crippled body. In a world where the only politicians left are crazy old men.

[unsunghero]

dude if we get another old man for prez i will not be surprised or disappointed because i have zero hope anymore for the rest of humanity

All I know is that if this is what I bitch about when I am dead and meet G-d he's going to laugh his ass off at me then send me right back, probably into an even more crippled body. In a world where the only politicians left are crazy old men.

If reincarnation and karmic justice are a thing, me having been born white into the greatest country on earth with 2 loving middle class parents and a good supportive family….

….to balance things out I’m coming back as a dung beetle. Just pushing other animal’s shit around for a few months until something steps on me

[unsunghero]

^
And that poor kid who was born drug exposed into an abusive Haitian household until she gets accidentally domed in a drive by gang shootout at age 8

She coming back as a Saudi prince with a harem

[Landroval]

dude if we get another old man for prez i will not be surprised or disappointed because i have zero hope anymore for the rest of humanity

All I know is that if this is what I bitch about when I am dead and meet G-d he's going to laugh his ass off at me then send me right back, probably into an even more crippled body. In a world where the only politicians left are crazy old men.
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[Duik]

^
And that poor kid who was born drug exposed into an abusive Haitian household until she gets accidentally domed in a drive by gang shootout at age 8

She coming back as a Saudi prince with a harem

Mayhap said child was you.
Best.
Life.
Ever.

[Toxigen]

you got em now!

[Botten]

you got em now!

Not yet young padawan.

DeSantis is being utterly humiliated. Just a bit more to weed him out from the running and future runs.

Then drop the avenging hammer discouraging even the lowliest of the GOP base.

Meanwhile enact other forms of student loan forgiveness but hark that you can provide more if given more power. Energize the left by placing allowance of abortion and birth control with the presidential election ballot. (Best in swing states like Ohio.)

Finally cause the one thing they harp on to be lower than the previous administration could achieve US Inflation Rate below 3% (https://ycharts.com/indicators/us_inflation_rate)

Yes it is all coming together colorfully.

https://groyourbiz.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Destroy-them.png

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Sadre continuing to post as if in the midst of a meth bender.

Nobody is afraid of people on the streets exactly, it's more just incredibly sad and depressing.

I dated a girl who was an opioid addict for 6 years. Now she's dead. It's not real amusing what is being allowed to happen to these people.

Totally on board with you here. I'm pretty knocked back at how ferocious this long-running drug epidemic is. You got just regular people, anywhere, mixing the evil 3 -- opiods, meth, and cocaine -- before they even hit 16.

The entire south side of my parent's little town is riddled with drug addicts. Country addicts.

I'm older so it really fucks with my head. I have never liked any of those 3 evil things, and for most of my life, people who started to lean towards them, the *peer pressure* was to kind of start not hanging around with them.

Titties and Beer, most folks were into. You wanted to go visit the land of junkies feel free, but don't expect friends to "come along."

Fuck those drugs x 1,000. They ar killing a hella lot of people, and those 3 drugs combined are like putting a power drill into your skull. Pureed brains. Worse than wet brain, almost.

Now excuse me, time for my afternoon Freon sesh.

[aussenseiter]

Finally cause the one thing they harp on to be lower than the previous administration could achieve US Inflation Rate below 3% (https://ycharts.com/indicators/us_inflation_rate)

https://i.imgur.com/UJrn5My.png

Why are you like this? I sense much bad faith in you.

[Ripp]

https://i.imgur.com/UJrn5My.png

Why are you like this? I sense much bad faith in you.

CNN talking point no doubt.

https://i.imgflip.com/5gzuvs.jpg

[Elizondo]

From 'What Inflation?" to "it's Transitory" to "Inflation isn't bad" to now pretending it's low again

I doubt Bribin even makes it to 2024

[PRogers]

Is medical billing inscrutable? It doesn't seem to be. (https://www.npr.org/2023/06/28/1184795720/78-people-face-charges-for-2-5-billion-in-attempted-health-care-fraud-doj-says)

How come they dont charge people like rick scott for that? He stole that exact amount through his one company. Now its an issue?

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Have you SEEN college professors these days? :D

https://media.giphy.com/media/VWhWSuBUq0dos/giphy.gif

Lol at "liberal professors." They wield such silly power. By the time anyone gets to them, they've already been rolled, so to speak
https://i.imgur.com/ypIqQoS.jpg

Why is this the moral decision tree here? This is a constant in almost every game. It's social engineering. This is pure socialism.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

God is gettin' up, and he ain't going to go get a beer!

[aussenseiter]

How come they dont charge people like rick scott for that? He stole that exact amount through his one company. Now its an issue?

Dude I was 12, how the hell should I know? (https://www.nytimes.com/1997/07/26/business/2-leaders-are-out-at-health-giant-as-inquiry-goes-on.html)

[Botten]

https://i.imgur.com/UJrn5My.png

Why are you like this? I sense much bad faith in you.

How so when I am giving information you are verifying.

Karma is a cruel mistress. My conscious is clean.

Why practice “Now you see me” antics, then pretend you are neutral when you crave to be quickened. Pitting others and trailing inferences sounds more devious don’t you think professor?

[aussenseiter]

How so when I am giving information you are verifying.

Karma is a cruel mistress. My conscious is clean.

Why practice “Now you see me” antics, then pretend you are neutral when you crave to be quickened. Pitting others and trailing inferences sounds more devious don’t you think professor?

A lie by omission is still a lie. You are spreading misinformation; possibly to help the bad guys. 👮

[Homesteaded]

Mortgage rates at 7.5%
Inflation at 3%
CPI way up

[druidbob]

Mortgage rates at 7.5%
Inflation at 3%
CPI way up

CPI?

[Botten]

A lie by omission is still a lie. You are spreading misinformation; possibly to help the bad guys. 👮

Everyone’s allowed to make predictions you did during midterms. They didn’t exactly pan out the way you said.

[Trexller]

Everyone’s allowed to make predictions you did during midterms. They didn’t exactly pan out the way you said.

beta-man with a strawman argument.

OH YEAH WELL WHAT ABOUT THIS: "X"

<essay text body>

<14 links to obscure websites supporting strawman argument>

<wife cheats because beta-man can't get the job done right>

[aussenseiter]

Everyone’s allowed to make predictions you did during midterms. They didn’t exactly pan out the way you said.

Is it 3% in a vacuum or 3% after thirty six months of way above 3% that you're predicting will get Biden reelected?

Money talks, bullshit walks.

[Botten]

beta-man with a strawman argument.

OH YEAH WELL WHAT ABOUT THIS: "X"

<essay text body>

<14 links to obscure websites supporting strawman argument>

<wife cheats because beta-man can't get the job done right>

Naloxone can help you.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3622240&postcount=2

you know there are actual real drugs out there right?

i hear good things about heroin.

[Botten]

Is it 3% in a vacuum or 3% after thirty six months of way above 3% that you're predicting will get Biden reelected?

Money talks, bullshit walks.

.... Fetterman loses(that poor man), Walker wins(footbaw), and I think that just leaves Nevada.

Even you know low percent chances have a way of changing elections.

[Botten]

CPI?

Homesteaded is just parroting CPI associated with shelter and rent.

Core CPI is used mostly by economists.

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[aussenseiter]

Homesteaded is just parroting CPI associated with shelter and rent.

Core CPI is used mostly by economists.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22343&thumb=1&d=1689640727

So it's still increasing, just less quickly?

Qz1Tac6KGRs

[Trexller]

Homesteaded is just parroting CPI associated with shelter and rent.

Core CPI is used mostly by economists.

So it's still increasing, just less quickly?

LOL PWNED

Botten's wife:

https://res.cloudinary.com/teepublic/image/private/s--n-29fWsL--/t_Resized%20Artwork/c_fit,g_north_west,h_1054,w_1054/co_ffffff,e_outline:53/co_ffffff,e_outline:inner_fill:53/co_bbbbbb,e_outline:3:1000/c_mpad,g_center,h_1260,w_1260/b_rgb:eeeeee/c_limit,f_auto,h_630,q_auto:good:420,w_630/v1555180526/production/designs/4633200_0.jpg

[magnetaress]

If reincarnation and karmic justice are a thing, me having been born white into the greatest country on earth with 2 loving middle class parents and a good supportive family….

….to balance things out I’m coming back as a dung beetle. Just pushing other animal’s shit around for a few months until something steps on me

^
And that poor kid who was born drug exposed into an abusive Haitian household until she gets accidentally domed in a drive by gang shootout at age 8

She coming back as a Saudi prince with a harem

22341

Ya lol

[magnetaress]

P s. Numbers and statistics = drugs for autistic ppl

[Duik]

Yours says "Dude".
His says "Sweet".
It's just that simple in this discussion. Neither side will ever dent the others confidence in their belief.

Back to Trumplstiltskin, takes a lil rest or not? This is the ONLY question worthy of answer in a thread literally called, wait for it...
NY GRAND JURY VOTES TO INDICT TRUMP.
GO!

[Botten]

So it's still increasing, just less quickly?



Rounding down it was zero depending on your descriptor of CPI.

-and oddly I see Trexller has now resulted in playing the role of a cheerleader; good for you not recognizing gender discrimination in your new life endeavor.


Note: Economists differ on how they believe CPI should be measured. Because the methodology used to calculate the CPI has changed over time undergoing numerous revisions; some critics of the CPI say that this measurement can be purposely manipulated by the U.S. government.

Economists argue that the CPI’s viability as an indicator of economic growth is questionable simply because it may be a lagging indicator.

(... for Trexller) In other words, CPI may not be very accurate at capturing current levels of inflation.

[aussenseiter]

Rounding down it was zero depending on your descriptor of CPI.

some critics of the CPI say that this measurement can be purposely manipulated by the U.S. government.

In other words, CPI may not be very accurate at capturing current levels of inflation.

thank

[aussenseiter]

Just pure asinine gaslighting.

Hook it straight into my veins.

[Botten]

thank

hence why we measure inflation and not CPI ;)

Wel-c-o-m-e

[Botten]

Just pure asinine gaslighting.

Hook it straight into my veins.

hook to your veins? Trexller may have the tools for that since he is interested in heroin from his own accounts.

[Homesteaded]

Yeah the CPI isn't perfect, no single stat is, which is why your claim that inflation is fixed is bogus. Look at the whole image, this economy is not healthy.

[Botten]

Yeah the CPI isn't perfect, no single stat is, which is why your claim that inflation is fixed is bogus. Look at the whole image, this economy is not healthy.

And the recession from the mismanagement of Covid from the previous administration was better?

We lost 16 Trillion in the economy due to that orange train wreck.

[Trexller]

Botten in July, 2023:

https://www.indystar.com/gcdn/-mm-/e7faf659ead3c39ed4a26830d574827fbed2dcb6/c=0-92-1414-891/local/-/media/2018/07/18/INGroup/Indianapolis/636675259246537136-071918d.jpg?width=1414&height=799&fit=crop&format=pjpg&auto=webp

[aussenseiter]

We lost 16 Trillion in the economy due to that orange train wreck.

I'll bite. This is you lying about TCJA? 🤑

[Botten]

I'll bite. This is you lying about TCJA? ��

Wasn't that just a go no where increase to the debt of between $1.9 trillion to $2.2 trillion over the next decade?

If so, then no.

But intrigued with your relating inference.

Continue.

[aussenseiter]

Wasn't that just a go no where increase to the debt of between $1.9 trillion to $2.2 trillion over the next decade?

If so, then no.

But intrigued with your relating inference.

Continue.

Over the next 👉 decade 👈?

[Botten]

Over the next �� decade ��?

yep hence the intrigue.

Continue.

but no still

It is not about TCJA but more over the mismanagement of Covid per previous post.

I wouldn't mind hearing your further founded concerns. $$$

Edit: unless you feel it is moot to talk about now?

[aussenseiter]

yep hence the intrigue.

Continue.

but no still

It is not about TCJA but more over the mismanagement of Covid per previous post.

I wouldn't mind hearing your further founded concerns. $$$

Edit: unless you feel it is moot to talk about now?

Let's call decade statistics uninspiring.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

For Hegel, "the labor of the negative" is another name for human history.

A human being faces the constant objective reality of their own negation -- end, ruin, death, etc. This is a logical opposition, because the human being is definitively *not* a negation, but is "the being who affirms."

We make claims. Constantly. We claim, which means we are not a negation but an affirmation. A negation simply ends, or is "never-ending ending."

History is the long story of human beings struggling against that which would negate them. Since Hegel was not a nihilist, his view was, eventually we end this labor. History for Hegel is not Sisyphean -- just damn long, and a "slaughterbench" [Hegel's own term!].

This thread, if Hegel is correct, bears testimony to the long labor of the negative. Of Spirit spending blood to try to get past the blood. And that is why I always say, quoting my dear friend,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngHrfRul7gQ
ngHrfRul7gQ

Trump is gonna get whacked with another raft of felonies soon. Having to process the "jackass vector" of Spirit is probably the most absurd labor of the negative there is. You would think it is easy. But here we are. And there is still a hella lot of jackass energy in the US.

You underestimate the scale of the negative, young Skywalker.

[aussenseiter]

For Hegel, "the labor of the negative" is another name for human history.

A human being faces the constant objective reality of their own negation -- end, ruin, death, etc. This is a logical opposition, because the human being is definitively *not* a negation, but is "the being who affirms."

We make claims. Constantly. We claim, which means we are not a negation but an affirmation. A negation simply ends, or is "never-ending ending."

History is the long story of human beings struggling against that which would negate them. Since Hegel was not a nihilist, his view was, eventually we end this labor. History for Hegel is not Sisyphean -- just damn long, and a "slaughterbench" [Hegel's own term!].

This thread, if Hegel is correct, bears testimony to the long labor of the negative. Of Spirit spending blood to try to get past the blood. And that is why I always say, quoting my dear friend,


The eschaton cannot be immanentized. Stop trying, everyone dies!

https://i.imgur.com/peYshTx.png

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Alright lol. You are right. It's pretty damn futile.

So let's stick to facts on the ground (of the slaughterhouse)

Here is basically what we are looking today, put into "Damn my grandma can understand that meme" level language:
https://i.imgur.com/k4wMIAH.jpg

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Actually, that doesn't make much sense. Scratch that. Oops!

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

https://i.imgur.com/8kObcwX.jpg
In other words, it's an informational pyramid scheme. He gets a target letter, he then sends out his own "targeted" letters to his known rubes. Who give him money in numerically significant numbers as long as he ...

... keeps getting target letters.

The main function of which, is to ID the incorrigibles.

Trump is straight up CIA. This is way bigger than ABSCAM.

[aussenseiter]

https://i.imgur.com/8kObcwX.jpg
In other words, it's an informational pyramid scheme. He gets a target letter, he then sends out his own "targeted" letters to his known rubes. Who give him money in numerically significant numbers as long as he ...

... keeps getting target letters.

The main function of which, is to ID the incorrigibles.

Trump is straight up CIA. This is way bigger than ABSCAM.

Did he get reinstated or something? Why they in cahoots?

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Did he get reinstated or something? Why they in cahoots?

Look, it's not complicated. ABSCAM was close to being entrapment b/c the entire scheme was simply cooked up by the Feds. No congressperson "sought out" the stingers. The Feds set up a sting, and then collected who got trapped.

You could argue Trumpism is a wonderful example of information-war entrapment. You isolate and then cognitively desert island them in irrelevant debates.

A peer-to-peer analysis of Western economies shows, again and again, that the US economy, and the apex currency, the US dollar, always get the premiere mouth-popping treatment. All this doom stuff is ... not real. It's the desert island. Or the island of misfit toys. Be merry about it.

Trumpism is textbook "how to ghettoize White folks" straight up Black Panther theory, vintage.

That's why I keep saying DeSantis is the real deal. Trump supporters, or former Trump big-time supporters like myself, are all-in on DeSantis and I urge all conservatives to not be "gulled" by Trump (and Jared) again!

[cd288]

Happy that he's going to get indicted for January 6th too. I regret voting for him in 2016, dude needs to be held accountable now.

[aussenseiter]

Look, it's not complicated. ABSCAM was close to being entrapment b/c the entire scheme was simply cooked up by the Feds. No congressperson "sought out" the stingers. The Feds set up a sting, and then collected who got trapped.

You could argue Trumpism is a wonderful example of information-war entrapment. You isolate and then cognitively desert island them in irrelevant debates.

A peer-to-peer analysis of Western economies shows, again and again, that the US economy, and the apex currency, the US dollar, always get the premiere mouth-popping treatment. All this doom stuff is ... not real. It's the desert island. Or the island of misfit toys. Be merry about it.

Trumpism is textbook "how to ghettoize White folks" straight up Black Panther theory, vintage.

That's why I keep saying DeSantis is the real deal. Trump supporters, or former Trump big-time supporters like myself, are all-in on DeSantis and I urge all conservatives to not be "gulled" by Trump (and Jared) again!

It's worrying that you mentioned Jared.

[Ooloo]

Happy that he's going to get indicted for January 6th too. I regret voting for him in 2016, dude needs to be held accountable now.

Held accountable for what? You're allowed to think that the results of an election weren't legitimate and opine as such. Dems do it all the time (see: stacey abrahms). And on jan 6th he specifically encouraged his supporters to be peaceful (the vast majority of which were), then told them to go home.

I don't even like him but the jan 6th "insurrection" narrative is so retarded I'm forced to rebuke it.

[Evia]

Especially after you watch the video footage.

[Ekco]

woodstock 99' was mostly peaceful also

[aussenseiter]

woodstock 99' was mostly peaceful also

Apostrophes replace characters

[Ooloo]

woodstock 99' was mostly peaceful also

I mean technically yes, it was. Who incited the violence at woodstock 99? Probably not a guy saying "be peaceful!" in any case.

[Elizondo]

Desperate clown show cuz Dems know Biden is going to get crushed by Maga King in 2024

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Ephialtes Fan Club Meeting postposed again tonight. Good thing I checked my email before I drove 2 hours, jesus. Thanks for the notice.

[Botten]

Desperate clown show cuz Dems know Biden is going to get crushed by Maga King in 2024

History may repeat itself but enough time needs to take place to fool the neutral voters.

Time Trump doesn’t have.

“Walls closing in” and all… or whatever the catchphrase.

[Elizondo]

haha 'walls closin in ..'

I'm going to laugh when he wins in 2024

Then we'll see a real insurrection when The Deep State and Commie Dems refuse to give up power. That's what this is leading to.

[aussenseiter]

haha 'walls closin in ..'

I'm going to laugh when he wins in 2024

Then we'll see a real insurrection when The Deep State and Commie Dems refuse to give up power. That's what this is leading to.

Zero lessons learned. They want Tromp on the ballot.

Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind. :(

[Elizondo]

Zero lessons learned. They want Tromp on the ballot.

Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind. :(

I've never considered you a stupid person

Maybe I was mistaken

[aussenseiter]

I've never considered you a stupid person

Maybe I was mistaken

Fine w/ a restoration if costs improve. 😈

[Elizondo]

Fine w/ a restoration if costs improve. 😈

Hickory Dickory Dock ect.

[aussenseiter]

Hickory Dickory Dock ect.

I googled it and I guess that means Cromwell the lesser. 🤪

[MrSparkle001]

haha 'walls closin in ..'

I'm going to laugh when he wins in 2024

Then we'll see a real insurrection when The Deep State and Commie Dems refuse to give up power. That's what this is leading to.

Holy shit that would be the funniest thing that's ever happened in my lifetime, even funnier than this:

HlHo-F1z_aw

[cd288]

I've never considered you a stupid person

Maybe I was mistaken

If you don't think the liberals want trump on the ballot then you are very uneducated about politics. The DNC is salivating at the thought of him being the nominee, why do you think they don't mind if the trial gets postponed until after the election?

He is far and away the easiest Republican candidate for Biden to beat, as evidenced by 2020 where Biden didn't even have to run a campaign. GOP leadership hates it because then there's no way to force Biden to actually defend policy and get into the weeds on things where he might stumble or say incoherent statements...all he has to do is let Trump talk and list off all the negative things about Trump and the Dems win again. GOP needs someone else to win the nomination in order to have a shot.

[cd288]

Held accountable for what? You're allowed to think that the results of an election weren't legitimate and opine as such. Dems do it all the time (see: stacey abrahms). And on jan 6th he specifically encouraged his supporters to be peaceful (the vast majority of which were), then told them to go home.

I don't even like him but the jan 6th "insurrection" narrative is so retarded I'm forced to rebuke it.

Funny how you conveniently leave out the fake electors efforts, which is what he is going to get charged for. Moron.

As far as "opining as such" there's been witness testimony already that Trump knew he'd lost and there wasn't widespread fraud. As a result, there are definitely legal theories that can hold someone accountable for the events on January 6th because there are definite limits to free speech, especially when it comes to assaults on our democracy by a guy who wants to be a dictator. But I doubt that's what they go after him for. I bet they will just do the fake electors because that evidence is already completely obvious (including written emails from people saying they know they're just making up a fake slate of electors) such that it will be an open and shut case with an easy conviction.

[Elizondo]

If you don't think the liberals want trump on the ballot then you are very uneducated about politics. The DNC is salivating at the thought of him being the nominee, why do you think they don't mind if the trial gets postponed until after the election?

He is far and away the easiest Republican candidate for Biden to beat, as evidenced by 2020 where Biden didn't even have to run a campaign. GOP leadership hates it because then there's no way to force Biden to actually defend policy and get into the weeds on things where he might stumble or say incoherent statements...all he has to do is let Trump talk and list off all the negative things about Trump and the Dems win again. GOP needs someone else to win the nomination in order to have a shot.

Terrible post

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-barred-office-incite-insurrection-14th-amendment-1812648

U.S. States Urged To Block Donald Trump From 2024 Run

Two advocacy groups have written to officials in several states urging them to bar Donald Trump from running as a presidential candidate for allegedly inciting an insurrection.

https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-reports/donald-trumps-disqualification-from-office-14th-amendment/

The case for Donald Trump’s disqualification under the 14th Amendment

Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment was adopted after the Civil War as a mechanism to protect American democracy from those disloyal to the Constitution. It bars from office any person who swore an “oath … to support the Constitution of the United States” as a federal or state officer and then “engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same,” unless Congress removes the disqualification by a two-thirds vote of each house.

Yea they are salivating for Trump to run against Biden and risk a 2016 repeat. Especially after he's stated as one of his main platforms that he's going to completely dismantle the Deep State if he wins. We got it.

[cd288]

Terrible post

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-barred-office-incite-insurrection-14th-amendment-1812648



https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-reports/donald-trumps-disqualification-from-office-14th-amendment/



Yea they are salivating for Trump to run against Biden and risk a 2016 repeat. Especially after he's stated as one of his main platforms that he's going to completely dismantle the Deep State if he wins. We got it.

So...in response to me talking about federal democratic leadership you link...a random opinion piece and an article talking about two random advocacy groups. Thank you for sending two things that have nothing to do with what I was talking about (e.g., the desires of Dem leadership at the federal level).

Edit: Deleted my last sentence because it was uncalled for of me to say about you.

[cd288]

Funny how you conveniently leave out the fake electors efforts, which is what he is going to get charged for. Moron.

As far as "opining as such" there's been witness testimony already that Trump knew he'd lost and there wasn't widespread fraud. As a result, there are definitely legal theories that can hold someone accountable for the events on January 6th because there are definite limits to free speech, especially when it comes to assaults on our democracy by a guy who wants to be a dictator. But I doubt that's what they go after him for. I bet they will just do the fake electors because that evidence is already completely obvious (including written emails from people saying they know they're just making up a fake slate of electors) such that it will be an open and shut case with an easy conviction.

Just to elaborate further on the Jan 6th speech part, this is one of the key phrases "you’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength and you have to be strong. We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated, lawfully slated. . . . And we fight. We fight like hell. And if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore."

As a lawyer, I can say that this combined with testimony that Trump was aware of what he was doing (and that people in the crowd had weapons) does carry solid legal weight. It outweighs an argument that he at one point said "peaceful"...legally speaking that doesn't absolve someone of the affects of their inflammatory rhetoric when the testimony shows you know you're pushing false claims using it.

But at any rate like I said above I would be surprised if the special counsel really focuses on that. You already have the fake electors stuff which Trump was completely aware of and endorsed and is an inarguable attempt to subvert an election. Like, it's not even debatable from a legal perspective. If they charge him for that the trial will be pretty quick and easy...so as a prosecutor you don't even need to get into the tangle of whether or not his speech on Jan 6th was inflammatory etc. You've already nailed him as is.

[aussenseiter]

Terrible post

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-barred-office-incite-insurrection-14th-amendment-1812648



https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-reports/donald-trumps-disqualification-from-office-14th-amendment/

The case for Donald Trump’s disqualification under the 14th Amendment

Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment was adopted after the Civil War as a mechanism to protect American democracy from those disloyal to the Constitution. It bars from office any person who swore an “oath … to support the Constitution of the United States” as a federal or state officer and then “engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same,” unless Congress removes the disqualification by a two-thirds vote of each house.



Yea they are salivating for Trump to run against Biden and risk a 2016 repeat. Especially after he's stated as one of his main platforms that he's going to completely dismantle the Deep State if he wins. We got it.

Chief Justice Roberts observed that "[t]he people do not vote for the 'Officers of the United States.'" (https://reason.com/volokh/2021/01/20/is-the-president-an-officer-of-the-united-states-for-purposes-of-section-3-of-the-fourteenth-amendment/)

[Landroval]

Who are the Deep State, and what do they do?

[cd288]

Who are the Deep State, and what do they do?

Oh can we also add this question: If Trump will "dismantle the Deep State" if he wins, why isn't this "Deep State" dismantled already? It's not like he was never President, he was for 4 years.

That's the thing with all this Trump stuff this time around. MAGA morons going "oh if Trump wins he's gonna do X. He's gonna do Y. He's gonna do Z"...he said the same crap first time around and didn't do any of it. When are people going to realize this grifter is just going to say whatever he needs to in order to rile up his base to vote for him again?

In the meantime, he's taking your political donations and lining his own personal pockets with them to fund his own lifestyle. Get out of the cult MAGA boys.

[Landroval]

Yep

[aussenseiter]

Oh can we also add this question: If Trump will "dismantle the Deep State" if he wins, why isn't this "Deep State" dismantled already? It's not like he was never President, he was for 4 years.

That's the thing with all this Trump stuff this time around. MAGA morons going "oh if Trump wins he's gonna do X. He's gonna do Y. He's gonna do Z"...he said the same crap first time around and didn't do any of it. When are people going to realize this grifter is just going to say whatever he needs to in order to rile up his base to vote for him again?

In the meantime, he's taking your political donations and lining his own personal pockets with them to fund his own lifestyle. Get out of the cult MAGA boys.

I think DeSoros is talking about the same thing when he complains about the 'administrative state'.

[Landroval]

I'm voting for whoever doesn't put a Boomer up for the presidency this go around.

No more fucking Boomers. It's about time they lose their 40 year stranglehold on politics.

[Landroval]

I think DeSoros is talking about the same thing when he complains about the 'administrative state'.

I interpret it as a dog whistle for Jews; just like "rich white men" is a dog whistle for Jews.

[aussenseiter]

I interpret it as a dog whistle for Jews; just like "rich white men" is a dog whistle for Jews.

Let Nixon out of his cage!

[Ooloo]

Funny how you conveniently leave out the fake electors efforts, which is what he is going to get charged for. Moron.

As far as "opining as such" there's been witness testimony already that Trump knew he'd lost and there wasn't widespread fraud. As a result, there are definitely legal theories that can hold someone accountable for the events on January 6th because there are definite limits to free speech, especially when it comes to assaults on our democracy by a guy who wants to be a dictator. But I doubt that's what they go after him for. I bet they will just do the fake electors because that evidence is already completely obvious (including written emails from people saying they know they're just making up a fake slate of electors) such that it will be an open and shut case with an easy conviction.

Haha "a guy who wants to be a dictator" I love how casually you just mix your own opinionated mind-reading with what is supposed to be some kind of objective analysis. You'd make a great cable news host cause you sound exactly like one.

The "fake electors" were just alternate electors, which is not some wild new thing. They are trying to hang him on an incredibly fickle manipulation of language. States can appoint "alternate electors" under certain circumstances, but if they don't specify it as such that's not allowed. And why is this just coming up now? We're talking about something that happened two years ago. If they actually had a smoking gun they would have used it long ago, this is clearly a desperate attempt to get him off the 2024 ballot, by his chief political opposition. The bidens are not exactly boyscouts if you hadn't noticed yet.

You probably also think that when he said "let's find the votes I need" or whatever on that georgia phonecall he meant "HAY GUYZ LETS MAKE UP FAKE VOTEZ LOL", as if he thought that would fly. No, he just meant "hey I think there's easily enough legit votes that didn't get counted due to fraud that I should win the state if we just look into this fraud issue".

I'm not saying he's right about any of those fraud claims btw, but the desperate attempt to twist his words and selectively interpret them to paint him as some bumbling super villain who was trying to overthrow the country is absurd.

[cd288]

Haha "a guy who wants to be a dictator" I love how casually you just mix your own opinionated mind-reading with what is supposed to be some kind of objective analysis. You'd make a great cable news host cause you sound exactly like one.

He's literally said that he thinks countries are run better by dictators and that the US would be better with that type of system.

The "fake electors" were just alternate electors, which is not some wild new thing. They are trying to hang him on an incredibly fickle manipulation of language. States can appoint "alternate electors" under certain circumstances, but if they don't specify it as such that's not allowed. And why is this just coming up now? We're talking about something that happened two years ago. If they actually had a smoking gun they would have used it long ago, this is clearly a desperate attempt to get him off the 2024 ballot, by his chief political opposition. The bidens are not exactly boyscouts if you hadn't noticed yet.

States are not allowed to have "alternate electors" really. The State constitutions require electors to be pledged to those who won the state. The one time you had dueling electors in history was because Hawaii assigned the electors to the current winner of the state and then changed to the other slate of electors when the recount was completed. In no way was that analogous to the scheme where they were literally planning to submit slates of fraudulent electors (and there are literal emails such as this: “We would just be sending in ‘fake’ electoral votes to Pence so that ‘someone’ in Congress can make an objection when they start counting votes, and start arguing that the ‘fake’ votes should be counted,”).

Essentially the goal was to create knowingly fake slates of electors and submit them to Congress and either have Pence approve those and not the real ones, or otherwise say that due to the different slates of electors the election was defective and the State legislatures would then decide the outcome of the election themselves (which would've led to Trump winning). It's a completely fraudulent and illegal scheme and defending it is the antithesis of democracy and the American system. I am embarrassed that anti-American people like you live in our country.

And wtf are you talking about why is this just happening now? Do you have any idea how criminal investigations work? These things take a lot of time to compile all the evidence (and fight disputes against subpoenas), interview witnesses, and put an entire case together. You NEVER should do something like this hastily because if you get a criminal proceeding wrong you risk putting an innocent person in jail. Are you also choosing to ignore the months and months of delays Trump's counsel have caused via things like frivolous motions, contesting subpoenas, and simply refusing to respond to the DOJ at all (don't get me wrong, they are legally permitted to do this (except the latter which as an attorney I think is extremely unprofessional)), but when Trump's counsel slows the investigation for more than a year you can't turn around and go "CONVENIENT TIMING NOW THAT THE ELECTION CYCLE IS STARTING".

[Toxigen]

yuo gottem nao11!!!

[aussenseiter]

He's literally said that he thinks countries are run better by dictators and that the US would be better with that type of system.



States are not allowed to have "alternate electors" really. The State constitutions require electors to be pledged to those who won the state. The one time you had dueling electors in history was because Hawaii assigned the electors to the current winner of the state and then changed to the other slate of electors when the recount was completed. In no way was that analogous to the scheme where they were literally planning to submit slates of fraudulent electors (and there are literal emails such as this: “We would just be sending in ‘fake’ electoral votes to Pence so that ‘someone’ in Congress can make an objection when they start counting votes, and start arguing that the ‘fake’ votes should be counted,”).

Essentially the goal was to create knowingly fake slates of electors and submit them to Congress and either have Pence approve those and not the real ones, or otherwise say that due to the different slates of electors the election was defective and the State legislatures would then decide the outcome of the election themselves (which would've led to Trump winning). It's a completely fraudulent and illegal scheme and defending it is the antithesis of democracy and the American system. I am embarrassed that anti-American people like you live in our country.

And wtf are you talking about why is this just happening now? Do you have any idea how criminal investigations work? These things take a lot of time to compile all the evidence (and fight disputes against subpoenas), interview witnesses, and put an entire case together. You NEVER should do something like this hastily because if you get a criminal proceeding wrong you risk putting an innocent person in jail. Are you also choosing to ignore the months and months of delays Trump's counsel have caused via things like frivolous motions, contesting subpoenas, and simply refusing to respond to the DOJ at all (don't get me wrong, they are legally permitted to do this (except the latter which as an attorney I think is extremely unprofessional)), but when Trump's counsel slows the investigation for more than a year you can't turn around and go "CONVENIENT TIMING NOW THAT THE ELECTION CYCLE IS STARTING".

Is a faithless elector a false elector and vice versa? We had Faith Spotted Eagle in 2016. SCOTUS has since said that states may punish faithlessness, if they choose to. Generally it's just swapped out for a 'true' vote.

I think they're charged with fraud though, never having been selected as electors.

Does that codify power to the extant parties?

Regarding election litigation post-2020 election, most of the cases were (correctly) ruled to be nonjusticiable, meaning federal courts had no authority to decide in either direction - that it was up to the individual state(s). That's a lot different than a round rejection.

[aussenseiter]

Pence wouldn't approve the false slates anyway, not because he wanted to or did not want to, but because the House takes a vote to ratify or reject them.

He chose not to let them vote.

[cd288]

Pence wouldn't approve the false slates anyway, not because he wanted to or did not want to, but because the House takes a vote to ratify or reject them.

He chose not to let them vote.

Someone in Congress could object to the true electors and then Pence could choose to count the fake electors. Or at least that's what the Trump team was trying to convince him he had the authority to do, which he really didn't (whether or not someone in Congress objected).

It all hinged on that whole false idea that Pence had some power beyond ceremonial. Unfortunately for Trump, he and his team went beyond just trying to convince Pence to delay the count and certification...they created knowingly fraudulent slates of electors and tried to convince Pence to use those as ammo for why the election couldn't be certified for Biden. If they had just stopped at the step of telling Pence he had some non-ceremonial authority, I doubt you'd be seeing this eventual indictment. It's when they crossed into the territory of engaging in these over and deliberately fraudulent acts to subvert an election that they got into really hot water (separately it's also stunning to me that these guys knew what they were doing was illegal, but they created paper trail after paper trail about it...like if you know you're trying to subvert a free and fair election wouldn't you make sure nothing was put down in email, text message, etc.?).

At any rate, as a Republican I'm extremely happy this is all happening. Trump is a completely proven loser and almost nothing good has happened for my party since he came into the fold. He's caused us to lose left and right, especially on a federal level...even when we have a slim majority in the House it's completely dysfunctional because it's filled with nut jobs empowered by Trump who are more interested in whack job conspiracy theories than governing. Once Trump is convicted and jailed hopefully we can eventually get back to a better, more successful GOP!

[Patriam1066]

Trump and Biden are terrible candidates and the only people who could possibly lose to one another

It’s a retard coin flip. And yet the empire still prospers and shit holes like europe, China, and the Middle East dither

What a time to be alive

[Botten]

Biden-Harris Administration Releases State-By-State Data on $39 Billion in Loan Forgiveness for 804,000 Borrowers as a Result of Fixes to Income-Driven Repayment Plans (https://www.ed.gov/news/press-releases/biden-harris-administration-releases-state-state-data-39-billion-loan-forgiveness-804000-borrowers-result-fixes-income-driven-repayment-plans)

Good Job Biden administration

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

The nitty gritty of Biden bye-bye economics. There is no barber left who will shave all and only those who don't shave themselves.

Thanks Joe.

[Ripp]

Biden-Harris Administration Releases State-By-State Data on $39 Billion in Loan Forgiveness for 804,000 Borrowers as a Result of Fixes to Income-Driven Repayment Plans (https://www.ed.gov/news/press-releases/biden-harris-administration-releases-state-state-data-39-billion-loan-forgiveness-804000-borrowers-result-fixes-income-driven-repayment-plans)

Good Job Biden administration

Good how? Taxpayers will pick up the tab for something they didn't purchase. Yeah, great. Fantastic.

https://media.giphy.com/media/801kwlTIfQFFMwU41V/giphy.gif

[aussenseiter]

Someone in Congress could object to the true electors and then Pence could choose to count the fake electors. Or at least that's what the Trump team was trying to convince him he had the authority to do, which he really didn't (whether or not someone in Congress objected).

It all hinged on that whole false idea that Pence had some power beyond ceremonial. Unfortunately for Trump, he and his team went beyond just trying to convince Pence to delay the count and certification...they created knowingly fraudulent slates of electors and tried to convince Pence to use those as ammo for why the election couldn't be certified for Biden. If they had just stopped at the step of telling Pence he had some non-ceremonial authority, I doubt you'd be seeing this eventual indictment. It's when they crossed into the territory of engaging in these over and deliberately fraudulent acts to subvert an election that they got into really hot water (separately it's also stunning to me that these guys knew what they were doing was illegal, but they created paper trail after paper trail about it...like if you know you're trying to subvert a free and fair election wouldn't you make sure nothing was put down in email, text message, etc.?).

At any rate, as a Republican I'm extremely happy this is all happening. Trump is a completely proven loser and almost nothing good has happened for my party since he came into the fold. He's caused us to lose left and right, especially on a federal level...even when we have a slim majority in the House it's completely dysfunctional because it's filled with nut jobs empowered by Trump who are more interested in whack job conspiracy theories than governing. Once Trump is convicted and jailed hopefully we can eventually get back to a better, more successful GOP!

Firstly, there were many objections and several (R) Senators sustained them.

That's new!

Back on point:

The VP 'presides' over the joint-body certification, much like the heads of each chamber in regular order.

If the Speaker of the House can choose not to floor bills at any time, and the Senate majority leader can choose not to floor bills at any time, doesn't it follow that the presiding officer of the certification hearing can choose to or not choose to as well?

The electors only become 'true' when the Congress votes for them to be so.

I could give you a list of all the (R) Senators that you want to kick out of your party but I think you're just pretending anyway so no.

[aussenseiter]

Biden-Harris Administration Releases State-By-State Data on $39 Billion in Loan Forgiveness for 804,000 Borrowers as a Result of Fixes to Income-Driven Repayment Plans (https://www.ed.gov/news/press-releases/biden-harris-administration-releases-state-state-data-39-billion-loan-forgiveness-804000-borrowers-result-fixes-income-driven-repayment-plans)

Good Job Biden administration

https://i.imgur.com/NcPPiLp.png

[Botten]

Good how? Taxpayers will pick up the tab for something they didn't purchase. Yeah, great. Fantastic.


Shoveled the recession on the future generation and whining boomers or those better off need to pay?

Yeah I could careless.

Beside it just feeds into the American economy.
Unlike like trickle down economics that just makes the rich richer.

But the GOP politicians have been fooling their uneducated base for years with that nonsense.

https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/78/590x/Donald-Trump-drinking-water-two-hands-894281.jpg

[Ooloo]

I agree if you took out a 100k loan to go get a retarded degree and then you can't get a job somebody else should pay for it! This is good and just.

Jk it's obviously completely unfair to the taxpayer and it's also not a small point that many of the people being offered student loan forgiveness are graduate students who at least got a somewhat better degree and can generally afford to pay them off. Forgiving debt isn't really any different than just handing you money over time. So joe blow the plumber gets money taken from him, and it goes to douchebag college brad #457572 who's probably working some white collar job and living in brooklyn. This is fair and good!

[Botten]

I agree if you took out a 100k loan to go get a retarded degree and then you can't get a job somebody else should pay for it! This is good and just.

Jk it's obviously completely unfair to the taxpayer and it's also not a small point that many of the people being offered student loan forgiveness are graduate students who at least got a somewhat better degree and can generally afford to pay them off. Forgiving debt isn't really any different than just handing you money over time. So joe blow the plumber gets money taken from him, and it goes to douchebag college brad #457572 who's probably working some white collar job and living in brooklyn. This is fair and good!

Is that what Ben Shapiro told you lol

[Ripp]

Shoveled the recession on the future generation and whining boomers or those better off need to pay?

Yeah I could careless.

Beside it just feeds into the American economy.
Unlike like trickle down economics that just makes the rich richer.

But the GOP politicians have been fooling their uneducated base for years with that nonsense.

https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/78/590x/Donald-Trump-drinking-water-two-hands-894281.jpg

The first rule of Liberals: Deflect the discussion away from the indefensible.
The second rule of Liberals: Blame others for what you are doing or plan to do.

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[unsunghero]

I’ve been confused on the student loan stuff

We’re pretty far past covid. And this doesn’t work for any other bad investments people make and can’t pay back

It doesn’t work for past students, and it doesn’t work for future students. So one generation of students at a single point in history get a little help with a loan they can’t pay back. And blue collar workers can go fuck themselves. Well, after they donate to government via taxes for the loan help that doesn’t benefit them. Then they can go fuck themselves. The loan forgiveness that only helps a single generation of students right now

[aussenseiter]

I’ve been confused on the student loan stuff

We’re pretty far past covid. And this doesn’t work for any other bad investments people make and can’t pay back

It doesn’t work for past students, and it doesn’t work for future students. So one generation of students at a single point in history get a little help with a loan they can’t pay back. And blue collar workers can go fuck themselves. Well, after they donate to government via taxes for the loan help that doesn’t benefit them. Then they can go fuck themselves. The loan forgiveness that only helps a single generation of students right now

The new version claims only 20 year payers are forgiven.

Probably not true but much more reasonable and a bit less crazy.

[Botten]

The first rule of Liberals: Deflect the discussion away from the indefensible.
The second rule of Liberals: Blame others for what you are doing or plan to do.


No deflection - So we agree that tax payers and some of the wealthiest will pay more into this debt forgiveness.

No Blame can be placed on the truth - the older generation placed crushing debt on to their youth by their economic recessions during their life time.

Ten of the eleven U.S. recessions between 1953 and 2020 began under Republican presidents.

I am sure you have some conspiracy answer.
Tell me how tight do you wear your Qanon mask? :rolleyes:

[Ripp]

The new version claims only 20 year payers are forgiven.

Probably not true but much more reasonable and a bit less crazy.

Yeah, they defund the police and let criminals run free. They prosecute law abiding citizens and pat criminals on the back. They use tax payer monies to pay for free dope and needles and then clean up all the junky poo left behind. They ignore the endless tent cities to house all the madness. Businesses and wealthy tax payers are fleeing from their crime-ridden cities.

Sure, what's a few more tax-payer bucks?

You just can't make this stuff up.

[unsunghero]

Yeah, they defund the police and let criminals run free. They prosecute law abiding citizens and pat criminals on the back. They use tax payer monies to pay for free dope and needles and then clean up all the junky poo left behind. They ignore the endless tent cities to house all the madness. Businesses and wealthy tax payers are fleeing from their crime-ridden cities.

Sure, what's a few more tax-payer bucks?

You just can't make this stuff up.

Almost all true, except no free dope, not that I’ve heard of anyway

And the homeless drug addicts are a separate issue. One based around how expensive it is to involve the legal system in removing someone’s freedom, to force drug treatment on someone, drug treatment that has a dogshit success rate without the person also having a support system (friends, family, job) in place…which they probably never had or else fucked up and burned those bridges forever. It’s cheaper and easier to let them kill themselves with hard drugs, much much cheaper

But, there is also some credence to some racketeering going on with local state’s homeless programs. Quite a lot of money being thrown around with almost no success, possibly some corruption there

[aussenseiter]

Yeah, they defund the police and let criminals run free. They prosecute law abiding citizens and pat criminals on the back. They use tax payer monies to pay for free dope and needles and then clean up all the junky poo left behind. They ignore the endless tent cities to house all the madness. Businesses and wealthy tax payers are fleeing from their crime-ridden cities.

Sure, what's a few more tax-payer bucks?

You just can't make this stuff up.

Please see the following meme, whiny baby.

https://i.imgur.com/NcPPiLp.png

[Lune]

The new version claims only 20 year payers are forgiven.

Probably not true but much more reasonable and a bit less crazy.

The new repayment option is a variation of income based repayment where you make a monthly payment that is some percentage of your income for either 10 or 20 years and at the end the remainder of your loan is forgiven. They already had this repayment option but the new one is a smaller percentage and only undergrad loans are eligible. The cost of this is actually $50 billion greater than the original forgiveness plan, so good job SCOTUS I guess.

[Ripp]

Almost all true, except no free dope, not that I’ve heard of anyway

And the homeless drug addicts are a separate issue. One based around how expensive it is to involve the legal system in removing someone’s freedom, to force drug treatment on someone, drug treatment that has a dogshit success rate without the person also having a support system (friends, family, job) in place…which they probably never had or else fucked up and burned those bridges forever. It’s cheaper and easier to let them kill themselves with hard drugs, much much cheaper

But, there is also some credence to some racketeering going on with local state’s homeless programs. Quite a lot of money being thrown around with almost no success, possibly some corruption there

San Francisco is the prime culprit, they give them drugs and alcohol at tax payer expense.

As far as treating the drug users, most don't want to be helped. The problem is, cities are being destroyed inside and out with liberal policies that only compound the problem. Businesses and corporations are fleeing in droves from liberal cities, it's simply unmanageable. Their residents are also fleeing, it's not safe nor profitable any longer. When you allow criminals to rampage the city with no recourse while we ALL pick up the tab via higher prices and tax increases, there's a serious problem that's untenable.

So, either continue to throw money and drugs at the problem, let criminals run free while their cities die or try another approach. How many liberal cities must be destroyed before something changes?

They'll just continue to party on deck while the ship sinks. It's moronic and people are stupid sheeple. It would be laughable if it weren't so sad.

[Botten]

Yeah, they defund the police and let criminals run free. They prosecute law abiding citizens and pat criminals on the back. They use tax payer monies to pay for free dope and needles and then clean up all the junky poo left behind. They ignore the endless tent cities to house all the madness. Businesses and wealthy tax payers are fleeing from their crime-ridden cities.

Sure, what's a few more tax-payer bucks?

You just can't make this stuff up.

I thought - I remembered you!

You are the guy that LITERALLY listed every news agency you thought was making up stuff -- er sorry fake news.

When it was news you just didn't agree with.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3021299&postcount=1028

And who couldn't forget:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3021152&postcount=984


Agreed.

The Deep State (Illuminati, New World Order, whatever you want to call it) is doing a fine job of creating the chaos for the coming (dis)order.

It's too late but hopefully people will wake up before it all goes down.

You even thought Trump wasn't going to be impeached (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3021084&postcount=963)

And LoL he was impeached twice.

https://i.imgur.com/jw6kF41.gif

[Elizondo]

Deadbeats gonna deadbeat

[aussenseiter]

The cost of this is actually $50 billion greater than the original forgiveness plan, so good job SCOTUS I guess.

https://i.imgur.io/8KTtscB_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

[Ripp]

I thought - I remembered you!

You are the guy that LITERALLY listed every news agency you thought was making up stuff -- er sorry fake news.

When it was news you just didn't agree with.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3021299&postcount=1028

And who couldn't forget:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3021152&postcount=984




You even thought Trump wasn't going to be impeached (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3021084&postcount=963)

And LoL he was impeached twice.

https://i.imgur.com/jw6kF41.gif

Ok, so you like cyber-stalking. Good job.

[Ripp]

And for the record, all those "news" outlets I posted are all trash. I realize you follow most of them but they're still trash.

[unsunghero]

San Francisco is the prime culprit, they give them drugs and alcohol at tax payer expense.

As far as treating the drug users, most don't want to be helped. The problem is, cities are being destroyed inside and out with liberal policies that only compound the problem. Businesses and corporations are fleeing in droves from liberal cities, it's simply unmanageable. Their residents are also fleeing, it's not safe nor profitable any longer. When you allow criminals to rampage the city with no recourse while we ALL pick up the tab via higher prices and tax increases, there's a serious problem that's untenable.

So, either continue to throw money and drugs at the problem, let criminals run free while their cities die or try another approach. How many liberal cities must be destroyed before something changes?

They'll just continue to party on deck while the ship sinks. It's moronic and people are stupid sheeple. It would be laughable if it weren't so sad.

The only time I heard about gov’t funded drugs in CA was when they forced the homeless into hotels during the height of covid (which the homeless absolutely thrashed, it was hilarious), and had to entice them with alcohol and drugs on the justification that without it they would go into withdrawal. They could have tried to medically detox them at the hotel, that would have made more sense, but they had to get the homeless to agree to go. And no homeless drug addict is going to pick detox over drugs

If there is another juicy documented case of gov’t funded drugs in CA, I’m all ears though ;)

And yea, the problem with the entire drug treatment program is that someone can just say no. Naive politicians think there’s some magic phrase a counselor can say to get them to agree. But let’s be real, a lot of these people are not functional even without the hard drugs. They’re either far too stupid, too disabled, and/or too uneducated. They couldn’t maintain even the easiest of jobs sober. Nor a house, if they were to be given one. The house would go to shit and be unlivable. Who’s gonna pay to have it fixed back up again?

It’s a complicated issue, homeless drug addicts

The soft on crime (violent or theft especially) policies, I think politicians are soon going to come around on. Those are fucking stupid, I agree, and places like LA and San Fran are setting the example for the rest of the country as to how fast soft on crime can turn a city into vacant blight

[Ripp]

The only time I heard about gov’t funded drugs in CA was when they forced the homeless into hotels during the height of covid (which the homeless absolutely thrashed, it was hilarious), and had to entice them with alcohol and drugs on the justification that without it they would go into withdrawal. They could have tried to medically detox them at the hotel, that would have made more sense, but they had to get the homeless to agree to go. And no homeless drug addict is going to pick detox over drugs

If there is another juicy documented case of gov’t funded drugs in CA, I’m all ears though ;)

And yea, the problem with the entire drug treatment program is that someone can just say no. Naive politicians think there’s some magic phrase a counselor can say to get them to agree. But let’s be real, a lot of these people are not functional even without the hard drugs. They’re either far too stupid, too disabled, and/or too uneducated. They couldn’t maintain even the easiest of jobs sober. Nor a house, if they were to be given one. The house would go to shit and be unlivable. Who’s gonna pay to have it fixed back up again?

It’s a complicated issue, homeless drug addicts

The soft on crime (violent or theft especially) policies, I think politicians are soon going to come around on. Those are fucking stupid, I agree, and places like LA and San Fran are setting the example for the rest of the country as to how fast soft on crime can turn a city into vacant blight

I don't know of others but they're at least handing out drug related items. None of it is good.

I hope you're right on the crime issue but they seem to be leaning into their decisions and doubling down. It's insanity. You know when companies start locking up frozen goods to deter theft https://www.supermarketnews.com/retail-financial/san-francisco-walgreens-locks-frozen-goods-deter-theft , there's something seriously wrong. And if they're going to come around, when? Will that be after all the major retailers leave the city and residents bail en masse? How can they turn around a disaster like that? You think that's possible?

That would also require the liberal leaders to admit they were wrong and their policies failed. Ever heard a liberal admit to that? Me neither. :D

I just don't see any bright spots in those cities. They're being destroyed, and rather quickly now. We'll see.

[unsunghero]

The best solution for homeless drug addicts is:

1. Start from the worst cases (ones that commit other crimes due to their drug use), and give them an ultimatum, it’s either prison or treatment, they have to pick one. Always good to give someone a little bit of autonomy and choice, yknow? Helps them feel more in control, works for kids ;)

2. Treatment will last a length of time based on their participation. Go along with the program and try, and you’ll be out faster. Fuck it up or refuse, and it will last a long time or it’s off to prison

3. Treatment has to involve community integration. This would involve some kind of support system building and purpose. Crowd out the chance to relapse by keeping people busy with things within their individual ability to do

4. Gov’t funded Housing is screened. The most functional get the first and best options. The least functional get a metal storage container with metal furniture. Not the most comfortable but better than a tent or cardboard box. When they cover the floor and walls with their shit, relapse and die in there, the whole place can be hosed down and re-used. No maintenance

I could solve a lot of this stuff :)

[Elizondo]

I don't know of others but they're at least handing out drug related items. None of it is good.

I hope you're right on the crime issue but they seem to be leaning into their decisions and doubling down. It's insanity. You know when companies start locking up frozen goods to deter theft https://www.supermarketnews.com/retail-financial/san-francisco-walgreens-locks-frozen-goods-deter-theft , there's something seriously wrong. And if they're going to come around, when? Will that be after all the major retailers leave the city and residents bail en masse? How can they turn around a disaster like that? You think that's possible?

That would also require the liberal leaders to admit they were wrong and their policies failed. Ever heard a liberal admit to that? Me neither. :D

I just don't see any bright spots in those cities. They're being destroyed, and rather quickly now. We'll see.

They are being destroyed by commies on purpose

It's easier to control decadent and desperate people who have been brainwashed into the abyss of depravity

That's the Dem Playbook. Every blue shithole is run this way.

[unsunghero]

They are being destroyed by commies on purpose

It's easier to control decadent and desperate people who have been brainwashed into the abyss of depravity

That's the Dem Playbook. Every blue shithole is run this way.

Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence. I don’t see how destroying a city benefits them

No, what’s going on is these liberal state politicians have decided that poverty is the REAL issue, and in a way that’s correct. Poverty drives crime, but crime drives poverty just as much or more. So these politicians think, “We NeEd tO gET tO tHe ROOT cAuSe oF all ThIs!”

^
I hate this phrase so much. Because they can barely list the root causes (always ignoring culture of course), much less fix them. And in the meantime, the city suffers an increase in crime

The best analogy is cancer. If someone went to an oncologist, and was told “we have decided to divert our resources from treating cancer right now, to instead figure out the root causes of cancer. We are confident that by doing this, in another [x] years or so, we can eradicate cancer for good!”

And everyone with cancer is like “uhh so I just have to die until then?”

Solving poverty is a future solution. More police is a right now solution. How much resources and focus is put into one or other depends on the politicians

[unsunghero]

^
Also, it’s a simple as, to a liberal politician

1. Too many black people are incarcerated, and that makes me LE SAD
2. Maybe we should just stop incarcerating people
3. Now I feel less sad! I done a good thing!

But if there is a malice angle that makes reasonable sense to me, I’m down to hear it

[Homesteaded]

Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence. I don’t see how destroying a city benefits them

Create a voting block that will vote for the party that gives them party supplies.

[Toxigen]

they dont even report the race of criminals in san fran anymore because of muh racism

lawl

[Botten]

Create a voting block that will vote for the party that gives them party supplies.

Right because drug addicts care about voting. :rolleyes:

[aussenseiter]

The best solution for homeless drug addicts is:

1. Start from the worst cases (ones that commit other crimes due to their drug use), and give them an ultimatum, it’s either prison or treatment, they have to pick one. Always good to give someone a little bit of autonomy and choice, yknow? Helps them feel more in control, works for kids ;)

2. Treatment will last a length of time based on their participation. Go along with the program and try, and you’ll be out faster. Fuck it up or refuse, and it will last a long time or it’s off to prison

3. Treatment has to involve community integration. This would involve some kind of support system building and purpose. Crowd out the chance to relapse by keeping people busy with things within their individual ability to do

4. Gov’t funded Housing is screened. The most functional get the first and best options. The least functional get a metal storage container with metal furniture. Not the most comfortable but better than a tent or cardboard box. When they cover the floor and walls with their shit, relapse and die in there, the whole place can be hosed down and re-used. No maintenance

I could solve a lot of this stuff :)

Is this the usual punishment for any particular crime?

Live free or die.

(Cons owned!)

[cd288]

Firstly, there were many objections and several (R) Senators sustained them.

That's new!

Back on point:

The VP 'presides' over the joint-body certification, much like the heads of each chamber in regular order.

If the Speaker of the House can choose not to floor bills at any time, and the Senate majority leader can choose not to floor bills at any time, doesn't it follow that the presiding officer of the certification hearing can choose to or not choose to as well?

The electors only become 'true' when the Congress votes for them to be so.

I could give you a list of all the (R) Senators that you want to kick out of your party but I think you're just pretending anyway so no.

You think I am pretending to be a Republican? Why would I do that lol

[cd288]

I’ve been confused on the student loan stuff

We’re pretty far past covid. And this doesn’t work for any other bad investments people make and can’t pay back

It doesn’t work for past students, and it doesn’t work for future students. So one generation of students at a single point in history get a little help with a loan they can’t pay back. And blue collar workers can go fuck themselves. Well, after they donate to government via taxes for the loan help that doesn’t benefit them. Then they can go fuck themselves. The loan forgiveness that only helps a single generation of students right now

I'm not a huge fan of the loan repayment, but I can also see an argument for its necessity. It's a little bit different than other types of loans because for decades we drove all our children towards college by pitching them that if you go to college and get a degree you're gonna have a decent paying job and be at least somewhat well off in life.

In reality, we drove them towards predatory lenders and for profit colleges (which are rampant in this country) while not only failing to educate people on career and degree guidance, but also failing to provide well-paying jobs/opportunities (the latter is a systemic issue with lack of wage growth and lack of retirement opportunities for people currently in the work force for the past 20ish years).

So as a result while in concept I'm not a huge fan of funding loan forgiveness, I do think there's an argument that economically for our future and our system we can't really just have an entire generation saddled with unsustainable college debt. It creates a ton of economic ripple effects not only now but decades down the line. So at the end of the day I am okay with repayment to some extent.

[Ooloo]

The thing is lots of young people *do* pay off their loans, or are well on their way to. It's not like it's impossible. I think a lot of the people demanding loan forgiveness just don't want to pay them, it's not really that they can't. And I mean I don't blame them, if I had a bunch of student debt and a politician came along and said hey I want to get rid of your debt it would basically guarantee my vote. So loan forgiveness is kind of just as manipulative as any predatory lender who "tricked" young billy into majoring in interpretive dance or whatever.

[cd288]

Ten of the eleven U.S. recessions between 1953 and 2020 began under Republican presidents.

Not saying that all those Pres's were good Presidents, but this isn't really a fair statement and simply shows a lack of understanding of how economic cycles work.

For the most part, (i) the economy is cyclical in nature so recessions will eventually happen regardless, and (ii) a given recession usually has its roots in decisions made several years before (not saying that current day decisions can't exacerbate a recession or accelerate its start date though)...sometimes those decisions are made by democrats sometimes by republicans.

Look at the 2008 financial crisis for example. A good portion of the roots of that came from Dodd and Frank pushing banks to lower their lending requirements in order to facilitate broad access to homes for lower earning Americans. Bush himself tried to regulate Fanny & Freddy and the Democrats shot it down. Etc. I'm not saying the Republicans didn't have their fair share of mistakes either, but it's just an example of how these things get unfairly laid at the feet of a President when it's not always his fault.

[aussenseiter]

You think I am pretending to be a Republican? Why would I do that lol

Maybe beef over the state/local tax deduction that Tromp took away. I think you're in NY which has state income tax.

Anyway, these guys? (https://www.npr.org/sections/insurrection-at-the-capitol/2021/01/07/954380156/here-are-the-republicans-who-objected-to-the-electoral-college-count)

[Evia]

I'm not a huge fan of the loan repayment, but I can also see an argument for its necessity. It's a little bit different than other types of loans because for decades we drove all our children towards college by pitching them that if you go to college and get a degree you're gonna have a decent paying job and be at least somewhat well off in life.

In reality, we drove them towards predatory lenders and for profit colleges (which are rampant in this country) while not only failing to educate people on career and degree guidance, but also failing to provide well-paying jobs/opportunities (the latter is a systemic issue with lack of wage growth and lack of retirement opportunities for people currently in the work force for the past 20ish years).

So as a result while in concept I'm not a huge fan of funding loan forgiveness, I do think there's an argument that economically for our future and our system we can't really just have an entire generation saddled with unsustainable college debt. It creates a ton of economic ripple effects not only now but decades down the line. So at the end of the day I am okay with repayment to some extent.

Right. And it sucks for them.
But what about the people that knew it was a scam, didn't go to school, make less per year on average because of this...but have zero debt. How is it fair to these people? So they should be punished while these college educated kids get bailed out?

It's bad form

[cd288]

The thing is lots of young people *do* pay off their loans, or are well on their way to. I think a lot of the people demanding loan forgiveness just don't want to pay them, it's not that they can't. And I mean I don't blame them, if I had a bunch of student debt and a politician came along and said hey I want to get rid of your debt it would basically guarantee my vote. So loan forgiveness is kind of just as manipulative as any predatory lender who "tricked" young billy into majoring in interpretive dance or whatever.

No offense but this comment shows you don't actually know what's going on economically in this country right now (not that you're obligated to pay attention - if you're doing fine that's all well and good, but you should educate yourself if you're going to have an opinion on the student loan stuff).

[cd288]

Maybe beef over the state/local tax deduction that Tromp took away. I think you're in NY which has state income tax.

Anyway, these guys? (https://www.npr.org/sections/insurrection-at-the-capitol/2021/01/07/954380156/here-are-the-republicans-who-objected-to-the-electoral-college-count)

Oh yeah totally not happy about that lol. My taxes went up higher during Trump than they did during Obama. I was willing to tolerate that, but when he came completely unhinged in 2020 that's when I jumped ship. Still consider myself a center right Republican though.

Right. And it sucks for them.
But what about the people that knew it was a scam, didn't go to school, make less per year on average because of this...but have zero debt. How is it fair to these people? So they should be punished while these college educated kids get bailed out?

It's bad form

You're right, it's not fair. And that's why I am not a huge fan of it, but at the same time can see why it's economically necessary for the country in the long term.

[Botten]

Part 1.

So Betsy DeVos has been wanting to introduce child labor into school curriculum.
This article was written in 2016 when Betsy DeVos was the candidate for Trump to be the education secretary.

Advocacy of child labor in background of Education secretary pick (https://arktimes.com/arkansas-blog/2016/11/24/this-is-not-fake-news-advocacy-of-child-labor-in-background-of-education-secretary-pick)

A think tank in 2016 was already planning on making child labor active in Arkansas. Sarah Huckabee Sanders has done just this.

Betsy DeVos has always wanted to destroy public education. She wanted to make private schools and bring back child labor. She wanted to make child labor part of that public school curriculum only (not the private school).

We have paid GOP governors enacting this wish for Betsy DeVos (married to former Amway CEO Dick DeVos and sister of the founder of Blackwater USA) and her heavily endorsed business family.

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Supreme court ruled that an employer can sue people who are striking. This is just one brick in the wall of Christian Nationalism.

There are several states now who are allowing child labor. Right now they are writing bills that being part of public school you will need to participate in the work force.

Betsy DeVos: If parents do not allow their children to work within those work force requirements for school, then they will not be able to attend public school. If you can't afford private school or can't home school your child and you don't allow them to attend public school then the child is truant. And that states governing body will be allowed to come in and take the child, which will then put them into the workforce.

Now, parents that are voting Republican listen up, when you attempt to take your child out of school, therefore affecting a workplace. Say your children want to unionize, that corperation will now have a way to sue you.

If you do not think this could happen this very much could. Corporate America has used your Religion (Christianity) to be able to utilize your children as cannon fodder.

And you blindly followed.

[aussenseiter]

Oh yeah totally not happy about that lol. My taxes went up higher during Trump than they did during Obama. I was willing to tolerate that, but when he came completely unhinged in 2020 that's when I jumped ship. Still consider myself a center right Republican though.

Venality will never Make America Great Again. :p

[unsunghero]

Is this the usual punishment for any particular crime?

Live free or die.

(Cons owned!)

Yea, “drug courts” that give people a rehab option instead of jail/prison exist in a lot of states now I believe

The alternative to these drug courts is still jail or prison. Why? Because these drugs are still illegal. So “live free or die” doesn’t apply because live free doesn’t = break any laws you want

They can go the other direction and completely give up and legalize meth and fentanyl. That would be a fun show to watch

Upside to legalizing everything here in US (we differ than other countries because of how accessible and easy drugs are here to get with us sitting directly above Mexico):

1. People killing themselves with drug use in record numbers. More dead people, less hassle. Not only population control, but also cheaper than trying to fix these people

Downsides:

1. They will be creating chaos within a community until they die

[unsunghero]

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And someone might think “jail for possession of a gram of meth? That seems harsh”

It probably doesn’t go like that. I would imagine the path to jail is possession of a gram of meth = fine. Addict isn’t going to pay the fine. Court date set. Addict isn’t going to go to court

Warrant is put out for addict arrest. Addict is arrested with 3 grams of meth on him a week later

That’s how it progresses to confinement I imagine

[aussenseiter]

Yea, “drug courts” that give people a rehab option instead of jail/prison exist in a lot of states now I believe

The alternative to these drug courts is still jail or prison. Why? Because these drugs are still illegal. So “live free or die” doesn’t apply because live free doesn’t = break any laws you want

They can go the other direction and completely give up and legalize meth and fentanyl. That would be a fun show to watch

Upside to legalizing everything here in US (we differ than other countries because of how accessible and easy drugs are here to get with us sitting directly above Mexico):

1. People killing themselves with drug use in record numbers. More dead people, less hassle. Not only population control, but also cheaper than trying to fix these people

Downsides:

1. They will be creating chaos within a community until they die

Optional = live free or die

[unsunghero]

Optional = live free or die

Yea the option is to either accept rehab or go to jail or prison. But rehab means you stay there, that’s how most rehabs work. They assume if you leave you are going to relapse

Right now rehabs are optional, which is why their success rates are garbage

Here’s the problem with being able to leave at will, based on talking to people who leave rehabs:

- You have all these people psychologically withdrawing from a drug, which makes them depressed, which makes them irritable and crabby. This causes drama

- you have people that aren’t used to having to follow rules. This causes drama

- cravings are most intense in the first few weeks to a month of sobriety

So either people don’t like the staff, or they don’t like the other residents, or they get a bad craving. And they bail. They can’t be allowed to bail, or the entire thing will probably not work, IMO

[Ripp]

They are being destroyed by commies on purpose

It's easier to control decadent and desperate people who have been brainwashed into the abyss of depravity

That's the Dem Playbook. Every blue shithole is run this way.

I agree. I think liberal cities will eventually look like Mad Max. They're out of their minds.

[Toxigen]

I agree. I think liberal cities will eventually look like Mad Max. They're out of their minds.

Good. White flight is real.

[Ripp]

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Also, it’s a simple as, to a liberal politician

1. Too many black people are incarcerated, and that makes me LE SAD
2. Maybe we should just stop incarcerating people
3. Now I feel less sad! I done a good thing!

But if there is a malice angle that makes reasonable sense to me, I’m down to hear it

But what if it's part of a plan? Or do you think everything that's going on is sheer coincidence? I think you're correct that most liberals think they're doing good but I think there is an overall plan. Either way, they are destroying this nation.

[unsunghero]

Good. White flight is real.

Moving whites in = gentrification = racism

Whites leaving = racism

Lol

[Ripp]

Moving whites in = gentrification = racism

Whites leaving = racism

Lol

Everything liberals disagree with is considered racism. They're actually the racists.

SMxwW0VDsfs

[unsunghero]

But what if it's part of a plan? Or do you think everything that's going on is sheer coincidence? I think you're correct that most liberals think they're doing good but I think there is an overall plan. Either way, they are destroying this nation.

I can’t decipher a plan tbh

Step 1. Destroy city

Step 2. ???

Step 3. Profit

I can’t make the connection. I think it’s all misplaced altruism

[unsunghero]

Or something like this can be the future

I heard a co-worker talking about a surgical implant that causes a drug to go into the body that binds to opioid receptors to block the high. Sort of like methadone, but it lasts for 6 months, and you don’t have to take it daily

I have to work now so I can’t pull it up, but I found this

This stuff could be the easiest future “fix”. I believe Botten touched on this at one point in the past here as well

[Botten]

Complain about homeless and drug addicts but cancel the programs that are made to get them off the street. Because of but ma' taxes.

Classic GOP strategy feeding into their brainwashed rage fests.

[Ripp]

I can’t decipher a plan tbh

Step 1. Destroy city

Step 2. ???

Step 3. Profit

I can’t make the connection. I think it’s all misplaced altruism

It's been a frog-in-water plan for a long time. If your goal is globalism, you can't allow strong nation states like America used to be. You can't allow a nation that loves God, loves their nation, and loves their families.

What have they been doing to this country since the late 50's? They tossed out God. They destroyed families. And they destroyed the love for country. Think about all the connected dots over the years, even recently, that point to that mission.

I'll admit I've been around a while but anyone who's paying attention should be able to see the evidence... discounting most liberals of course.

The bottom line is, they've been trying to destroy America for a long time and they're succeeding. There is no coming back from this IMO, only further destruction. Their plan is almost complete. Kids can barely read or write but they learn to diddle themselves in pre-school. They know nothing of history other than a hate for their country. These are the next leaders, the final nails in the coffin.

Good times.

[unsunghero]

Complain about homeless and drug addicts but cancel the programs that are made to get them off the street. Because of but ma' taxes.

Classic GOP strategy feeding into their brainwashed rage fests.

Chances are those programs success rates are bad. Usually when people are bad at accomplishing their work goals, their funding gets cut

[Botten]

Chances are those programs success rates are bad. Usually when people are bad at accomplishing their work goals, their funding gets cut

Well those programs can help distribute up and coming solutions.

A research team led by the University of Houston has developed a vaccine targeting the dangerous synthetic opioid fentanyl that could block its ability to enter the brain, thus eliminating the drug's "high." The breakthrough discovery could have major implications for the nation's opioid epidemic by becoming a relapse prevention agent for people trying to quit using opioids. (https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/11/221114132101.htm)

Granted the Pure Bloods will probably go nuts with this approach.

Especially if the vaccine has to be regularly give to attempt the reduced chance of relapse.

So I think the programs are important and will be very important in the future.

[Botten]

It's been a frog-in-water plan for a long time. If your goal is globalism, you can't allow strong nation states like America used to be. You can't allow a nation that loves God, loves their nation, and loves their families.

What have they been doing to this country since the late 50's? They tossed out God. They destroyed families. And they destroyed the love for country. Think about all the connected dots over the years, even recently, that point to that mission.

I'll admit I've been around a while but anyone who's paying attention should be able to see the evidence... discounting most liberals of course.

The bottom line is, they've been trying to destroy America for a long time and they're succeeding. There is no coming back from this IMO, only further destruction. Their plan is almost complete. Kids can barely read or write but they learn to diddle themselves in pre-school. They know nothing of history other than a hate for their country. These are the next leaders, the final nails in the coffin.

Good times.

The GOP is now the Boiled Frog Party (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiTvefh1p2AAxVwM1kFHWKtC74QFnoECEcQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Foutlook %2F2020%2F11%2F22%2Fgop-is-now-boiled-frog-party%2F&usg=AOvVaw1RRClJYJte-f_pZURpRxFl&opi=89978449) :rolleyes:

[aussenseiter]

Or something like this can be the future

I heard a co-worker talking about a surgical implant that causes a drug to go into the body that binds to opioid receptors to block the high. Sort of like methadone, but it lasts for 6 months, and you don’t have to take it daily

I have to work now so I can’t pull it up, but I found this

This stuff could be the easiest future “fix”. I believe Botten touched on this at one point in the past here as well

https://www.project1999.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22349&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1689868539

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[unsunghero]

Well those programs can help distribute up and coming solutions.

A research team led by the University of Houston has developed a vaccine targeting the dangerous synthetic opioid fentanyl that could block its ability to enter the brain, thus eliminating the drug's "high." The breakthrough discovery could have major implications for the nation's opioid epidemic by becoming a relapse prevention agent for people trying to quit using opioids. (https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/11/221114132101.htm)

Granted the Pure Bloods will probably go nuts with this approach.

Especially if the vaccine has to be regularly give to attempt the reduced chance of relapse.

So I think the programs are important and will be very important in the future.

I agree that cutting funding isn’t a solution in itself, that better programs need to be developed

But if you like research and wanted to do some digging, I’ve heard talk of these homeless programs being a money making racket for those administering them, with garbage success rates. Like a serious either incompetence or corruption issue

[aussenseiter]

The GOP is now the Boiled Frog Party (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiTvefh1p2AAxVwM1kFHWKtC74QFnoECEcQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Foutlook %2F2020%2F11%2F22%2Fgop-is-now-boiled-frog-party%2F&usg=AOvVaw1RRClJYJte-f_pZURpRxFl&opi=89978449) :rolleyes:

Well the frog had his brain removed prior to being placed in the pot, so I think he has Dunning Kruger.