Half-pint hybrids

[Rainflush]

I realize that halfling and gnome hybrids weren't in the game during the Velious expansion, however P99 does include certain features which were absent during the second expansion such as the interface compass and the ability to switch the face of one's character in-game (the latter of these things I find to be rather unfortunate as it strips away a certain degree of a character's individuality). Halfling rangers and gnome shadowknights are by no means essential, and I can certainly appreciate the desire to adhere as closely as possible to the way things were, though I suppose I'm curious as to who actually finds halfling and gnome hybrids to be all that objectionable? I mean, for example halflings can be druids and warriors, gnomes can be warriors and necromancers, doesn't it kind of make sense that they could also be a combination of these classes?

[Stormhowl]

I can't speak on behalf of the people who actually work with the code, but I can online imagine / theorize that the things that are non-classic still in the game (like the compass, newbie and city zone maps, and the like) are because they're tied to the Titanium client and/or are exceedingly difficult, if not impossible, to remove.

/shrug

I wouldn't necessarily object to the so-called "Half-pint hybrids", but because they're not classic, I'm not exactly worried about not having them. Besides, Halflings are OP as a race, do we really want more of them? ;)

[Feachie]

I realize that halfling and gnome hybrids weren't in the game during the Velious expansion, however P99 does include certain features which were absent during the second expansion such as the interface compass and the ability to switch the face of one's character in-game (the latter of these things I find to be rather unfortunate as it strips away a certain degree of a character's individuality). Halfling rangers and gnome shadowknights are by no means essential, and I can certainly appreciate the desire to adhere as closely as possible to the way things were, though I suppose I'm curious as to who actually finds halfling and gnome hybrids to be all that objectionable? I mean, for example halflings can be druids and warriors, gnomes can be warriors and necromancers, doesn't it kind of make sense that they could also be a combination of these classes?

I believe they were added per the patch cycle. early last year they were not able to be chosen.

[Messianic]

Halfling rangers and gnome shadowknights are by no means essential, and I can certainly appreciate the desire to adhere as closely as possible to the way things were, though I suppose I'm curious as to who actually finds halfling and gnome hybrids to be all that objectionable?

It's not about objection, it's just that those races could not choose those classes until later in the progression. We're not there yet. You can do the research to see when they were added - http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/

Edit: if you meant "who finds hybrids all that objectionable" in a more rhetorical sense, and not that you think they havent been added because of some developer ire for those race/class choices, i apologize :D

I believe they were added per the patch cycle. early last year they were not able to be chosen.

I think it depends on your installation. I've always been able to see those choices at the character creation screen - but if you have an installation that can choose that combination and attempt to create the character, your client crashes. That's intentional.

[Ektar]

this topic has come up and gone many times. not going to happen.

[Rainflush]

this topic has come up and gone many times. not going to happen.

That's too bad, oh well.

[Ektar]

I'm on the conservative side and think paladins should be restricted to humans, SKs to humans and DEs, and rangers to humans and wood elves, and half elves. so I disagree :P

[Drieddead]

I'm on the conservative side and think paladins should be restricted to humans, SKs to humans and DEs, and rangers to humans and wood elves, and half elves. so I disagree :P

what about the dorf pallys?

[Ektar]

humans only.

[Doors]

I miss my halfling ranger and paladin.

[purist]

what about the dorf pallys?

Nah. Someone that thinks Humans are the only real Paladins probably says so because they're the only Paladin race that can worship Mithaniel Marr (until Frogloks). Mithaniel Marr is really the only logical deity for a Paladin to be.

That said I'd never be a human paladin cause they're boring and armor looks uuuuuuuugggly.

[Ektar]

it is true that mithaniel marr is the only true paladin god. but frogloks are HELL NO lol.

it's from being introduced to the genre via D&D 2nd edition. a paladin is only what mithaniel marr dictates, and no other race is capable of the characteristics necessary of a paladin.

[Estu]

Not classic, so it's not in. The things you mentioned that are not classic but ARE in are things that are impossible or very hard to fix. Non-classic race/class combinations ARE possible to fix, so they have been fixed.

There are a lot of threads along these lines: "I know this isn't classic, but what if blah blah blah? I mean, the server has things like the UI compass and maps!" This is a classic server; it does its best to emulate the classic experience. The fact that it emulates this experience so well is the reason that most of us are here. That's kind of the end of the story.

[Rainflush]

I searched the forums but I didn't find a thread about it so I thought I'd ask.

I'm...sorry?

[Heebee]

Nah. Someone that thinks Humans are the only real Paladins probably says so because they're the only Paladin race that can worship Mithaniel Marr (until Frogloks). Mithaniel Marr is really the only logical deity for a Paladin to be.

That said I'd never be a human paladin cause they're boring and armor looks uuuuuuuugggly.

Half-Elf paladins can worship Mith Marr.

[Brut]

Wouldn't mind pallys being defiled with this, but SKs got dignity.

[falkun]

That said I'd never be a human paladin ... they're armor looks uuuuuuuugggly.

That tin can they have for a helmet sucks, but once Velious armor is in, I could definitely see a Human paladin. That dragon helmet is awesome and Human Velious plate is spot-on. But I'd still have to make a Tunarian Elf, ND is one of the best sword graphics EVER, in ANY game I have played (IMO).

Human Velious Textures (http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/4378/humann.jpg)
Nature's Defender on a High Elf (http://216.237.114.98/Photos/Epics/DaggerladEpic.jpg)
Close up of Nature's Defender (http://common.allakhazam.com/images/c/d/cde68e44aec4dc2c2e4a70da054342d5.png)

[Dr4z3r]

Half-Elf paladins can worship Mith Marr.

And get Robocop armor, which is really all that matters.

[Hottbiscuits Dreadmuffin]

Dark Elves can be Clerics and Warriors, so Dark Elves should be able to be Paladins! :D

[Messianic]

I searched the forums but I didn't find a thread about it so I thought I'd ask.

I'm...sorry?

You're ok man. It's not a gigantic deal.

[falkun]

Dark Elves can be Clerics and Warriors, so Dark Elves should be able to be Paladins! :D

By EQ lore Dark Elves are a twisted perversion of the High Elves, and so they get to rightly be the twisted perversion of paladins: Shadow Knights.

[azeth]

By EQ lore Dark Elves are a twisted perversion of the High Elves, and so they get to rightly be the twisted perversion of paladins: Shadow Knights.

who are YOU to identify who is the twisted version whom!

I say the SK came first.

[Spud]

That tin can they have for a helmet sucks, but once Velious armor is in, I could definitely see a Human paladin. That dragon helmet is awesome and Human Velious plate is spot-on. But I'd still have to make a Tunarian Elf, ND is one of the best sword graphics EVER, in ANY game I have played (IMO).

Human Velious Textures (http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/4378/humann.jpg)
Nature's Defender on a High Elf (http://216.237.114.98/Photos/Epics/DaggerladEpic.jpg)
Close up of Nature's Defender (http://common.allakhazam.com/images/c/d/cde68e44aec4dc2c2e4a70da054342d5.png)

I'm so glad my half-elf paladin worships Tunare for this reason. Maybe one day I will get him one of these... Also he has a guise so he can be a dark elf weilding a Tunare diety specific weapon lawl.

Dark Elves can be Clerics and Warriors, so Dark Elves should be able to be Paladins! :D

I was about to say this.

EQ is pretty liberal with their race/class combos, I think dwarf paladin is little weird from roleplaying perspective and how this game is so heavily based on DnD.

Also I am not in favor of half-pint hybrids because I retired from EQ before they were implemented so they would be completely foreign to me.

[Swish]

I'm on the conservative side and think paladins should be restricted to humans, SKs to humans and DEs, and rangers to humans and wood elves, and half elves. so I disagree :P

Wait, what?!

That would leave ogres and trolls with 2 options :rolleyes:

[Bubbles]

Wait, what?!

That would leave ogres and trolls with 2 options :rolleyes:

Still two options too many.

The 'classic' aspect of denying half pint hybrids is meh compared to the sheer awesomeness of boxing massive assling armies of doom.

Of course that requires boxing, too. But it sure was fun on Gnomish Proving Grounds and Stormhaven back in the day. ;) The key is to make sure they all have super annoying names that rhyme with one another. Bonus points if they are all female, of course.

[falkun]

...sheer awesomeness of boxing massive assling armies of doom.
The key is to make sure they all have super annoying names that rhyme with one another. Bonus points if they are all female, of course.

Sadist.

[Hottbiscuits Dreadmuffin]

Gnome and Halfling Warriors make less sense than Halfling Rangers.

A Halfling tanking on a Drolvarg? Why doesn't it just eat the damn thing?

But if a shorty wants to whip out a bow and shoot at stuff I'm cool with that.