Best ench race?

[Tushy_master]

Thinking of rolling an ench on green, never played one before.

What race should I roll? High elf is probably the best state wise right?

[Lowako]

gnome is cool for wall vision + shrink without needing to illusion yourself. tinkering is neat too.

dark elf is cool for ultravision + hide.

high elf is the best from a straight stat perspective but doesnt get the perks of the above 2.

human is neat because it gets some extra carry weight. the extra stam doesnt hurt either but int caster hp return from stam is kinda bad.

none of the races are a bad choice and if you have any aesthetic preference (you can always illusion, but its removed on zone and can be annoying to upkeep etc) or care about hide / tinkering / vision i'd personally let that be the deciding factor.

[Jimjam]

What is the best option for when you log in before casting illusions / when illusion unexpectedly drops?

[wuanahto]

Human. cha is easy to come by. tashes are 90% of charming. you have a handful of spells for vision. str/stam is a huge bonus

[Sirquestalot]

I would think dark elf. Ultravision without illusion or spell buff. Hide for a decent chance to instant break charm if you don't have a goblin ring. Though, I went high elf because I'm a freak and wanted the cultural armor.

[Castle2.0]

What is the best option for when you log in before casting illusions / when illusion unexpectedly drops?

WC cap, which they can all use.

Stats won't matter once you get gear.

DE is #1. Going zone to zone you keep ultravision. You can hide and stay invis indefinitely. This is very useful in areas without see invis if you need to AFK.

[PatChapp]

It doesn't matter
Hide to break charm is trash, ultravision is cool though
Erudite or high elf if you care about stats, gnome has the best racial/fashion.
Humans pretty rare and good stats

[Gwilson21]

I have a 55 enc on blue and he’s a high elf.


First off, I’m constantly in my Neriad shawl elemental illusion so having to reapply illusion isn’t that big of a deal considering I think it’s a 30 minute buff.

I wouldn’t pick gnome for that reason.

I’ve never played dark elf but I’ve heard the hide to break charm is trash.


I would go high elf for the extra cha and once you cap it then you can replace cha gear for int or hp gear.

I’m going to be starting a enc on green as well soon… leveling buddies?

[Tushy_master]

Thanks for all the great responses.

Gnome or dark elf sounds nice since, contrary to what I was lead to believe back on live, starting race stats aren't that big a deal right?

Ultravision and hide would be super useful but I'm leaning towards gnome because I saw one recently and who looked so cool in shining metallic robes and a scepter and that's all that really matters right??

I like playing unique/rare race/class combos when I can, so human is tempting but I played a human cleric on live and human ranger on blue.

Also what would you guys say are the most common races for chanter?

@Gwilson21 what's the benefit of Neriad shawl elemental illusion? And sure let's group up, my play time may be limited though.

[Crede]

Human technically bis? 2nd best cha but highest sta.

[PatChapp]

High elf is the most common race by a large margin.
Shawl illusion is handy for sirens farming, maybe kedge if you get it at a low lvl
Enchanter race means nothing in the end, just pick what you like.

[Jimjam]

WC cap, which they can all use.

Stats won't matter once you get gear.

DE is #1. Going zone to zone you keep ultravision. You can hide and stay invis indefinitely. This is very useful in areas without see invis if you need to AFK.

While the cap can be useful, and many will find it’s recharging trivial, I actually meant which is the best race option under those circumstances :). Perhaps gnome - they have vision and are pretty well liked across Norrath, even if stairs are sometimes an issue.

[Gwilson21]

How successful is the hide ability on a dark elf? If people
keep mentioning this as a perk then it should be something that can be relied on instead of a goblin gazughi ring during the leveling process. If it has a 80% success rate then I would imagine dark elf would be a good choice. If you’re trying to hide when mobs at below 10% and it rarely works then that would be super frustrating.

Does anyone have any knowledge of the success rate?

I’ve never played a dark elf so im curious how useful it would be. I’ve always picked high elf for the high charisma. Swapping illusions only takes a few seconds so it doesn’t bother me considering you’re constantly swapping spells anyway so it’s not like you’re having to do something you wouldn’t be accustomed to doing in the first place.


Posts like these should have a poll so you can see the results instead of scrolling through pages of posts.

[Gwilson21]

How successful is the hide ability on a dark elf? If people
keep mentioning this as a perk then it should be something that can be relied on instead of a goblin gazughi ring during the leveling process. If it has a 80% success rate then I would imagine dark elf would be a good choice. If you’re trying to hide when mobs at below 10% and it rarely works then that would be super frustrating.

Does anyone have any knowledge of the success rate?

I’ve never played a dark elf so im curious how useful it would be. I’ve always picked high elf for the high charisma. Swapping illusions only takes a few seconds so it doesn’t bother me considering you’re constantly swapping spells anyway so it’s not like you’re having to do something you wouldn’t be accustomed to doing in the first place.

[CptnCanuck]

I have found DE hide works usually at worst by third try but a lot of times it feels like on the 3rd time it works. Atleast for pet drops

[Gloomlord]

As a Bard who has charm kited, hide is absolutely terrible for charm drops. You pretty much need to cast invis, either by spell or by clicky.

[Trelaboon]

Human so you can get a custom helm later and win at fashion quest

[Gwilson21]

Does hide have a 5 second cool down? If so who would have 10-15 seconds to spare trying to get hide to work when they can just cast a spell. Aside from using it to afk I personally wouldn’t be dark elf because I prefer to use reliable methods to exping.

[unsunghero]

Everyone says cha is easy to get and that’s true, but budget cha gear usually doesn’t have hardly any other stats on it

So eventually you can get your cha to 255, but realize that your hp and ac are crap (int really doesn’t matter much)

Then comes the mini-game of figuring out where you can sacrifice some cha for some survivability

It’s like the meme about men’s shirts: correct length, correct width, correct sleeve length, pick 2 (you’ll never get 3)

Note: this is non-raider perspective

[Infectious]

Let's get DsM input on this, it must go 100 pages!

[Keebz]

I like gnome. Being small w/wallhacks and neutral faction by default is solid if marginal as an ench.

[PatChapp]

Everyone says cha is easy to get and that’s true, but budget cha gear usually doesn’t have hardly any other stats on it

So eventually you can get your cha to 255, but realize that your hp and ac are crap (int really doesn’t matter much)

Then comes the mini-game of figuring out where you can sacrifice some cha for some survivability

It’s like the meme about men’s shirts: correct length, correct width, correct sleeve length, pick 2 (you’ll never get 3)

Note: this is non-raider perspective

Even raiders struggle with this game.
But basic raid gear,like hate stuff and some thurg armor and you can do pretty good. Easy fun raids not even the sweaty stuff.

[unsunghero]

Even raiders struggle with this game.
But basic raid gear,like hate stuff and some thurg armor and you can do pretty good. Easy fun raids not even the sweaty stuff.

Yeah, meh, there's just forms to fill out and stuff on discord to raid and I still can't be bothered yet. But someday...

This is about the best I can possibly get stats thus far self-buffed at 58 with 17-18k worth of only TunnelQuested gear. No raiding, no grouping. Only have second to last rank of AC buff because no one will effin sell me Umbra, so that's like -9ac

I can still move some stats around and make some improvements, but every upgrade is now at the starting at 7k range, and some way up from there

This is HIE race, all points into Cha. It's actually pretty hard to keep cha up there AND try to find some survivability. I think many other chanters would sacrifice cha for more surv

[Troxx]

Let's get DsM input on this, it must go 100 pages!

I laughed

[Castle2.0]

How successful is the hide ability on a dark elf? If people
keep mentioning this as a perk then it should be something that can be relied on instead of a goblin gazughi ring during the leveling process. If it has a 80% success rate then I would imagine dark elf would be a good choice. If you’re trying to hide when mobs at below 10% and it rarely works then that would be super frustrating.

Does anyone have any knowledge of the success rate?

I’ve never played a dark elf so im curious how useful it would be. I’ve always picked high elf for the high charisma. Swapping illusions only takes a few seconds so it doesn’t bother me considering you’re constantly swapping spells anyway so it’s not like you’re having to do something you wouldn’t be accustomed to doing in the first place.

You don't use hide to break charm. Get a goblin g ring for instant charm breaks.

You use hide to stay invis indefinitely while AFK.

But only DE can go perma-invis and safely AFK in areas without see invis.

That makes them superior =)

[DeathsSilkyMist]

From a starting stat perspective, Humans have the most STA and the second most CHA. Caster gear usually has a lot of INT/WIS on it, so Human is probably the best choice statistically. Enchanters can also buff their INT/CHA. No Enchanter race has a significant racial like HP Regen, so it doesn't matter too much at the end of the day.

Religion is probably going to affect you more, which is why you should pick agnostic. You will have a better time with your various illusions without having to do a bunch of faction work.

I like racial hide for quickly going invis if I need to meditate. From what I remember racial hide is not reliable enough to use for Charm breaks, and it has a few seconds cooldown timer.

EDIT: You could actually just make a level 1 Dark Elf Enchanter to try it out. Buy your level 1 Animation Pet, summon it, and see how often you can kill it. Just give this DE a bit of plat so they can buy enough Tiny Daggers.

Let's get DsM input on this, it must go 100 pages!

You should talk to Troxx instead. He has hundreds of posts that are just gifs. That is where bloat comes from. Let's wait and see how many gifs he ends up posting here.

[Castle2.0]

DSM in? Castle2.0 out.

[Gwilson21]

Play whatever you want to look at from behind for 1,000,000 hours is the final verdict.

[Infectious]

Play whatever you want to look at from behind for 1,000,000 hours is the final verdict.

You can cast illusion for that.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

You can cast illusion for that.

True. Enchanters have the best fashion options, since they can look like any class. You can be a bit more min/max minded if you want to be with an Enchanter, even though it won't matter much in the end.

Some people do like the fashion of what they look like without illusion though. I picked Human Enchanter because my character's name is from a book. I like the idea of what my original form looks like for lore purposes.

[magnetaress]

erudite has big potential lets not forget!

plus one of the best starting areas, esp for ench cuz u can go into warrens with a pet and and same with kerra ridge and by the time ur 20-30 u got stonebrunt or can just kill guards in paineel and u prob dont even need gear just ur basic +5 agi and then mix of cha/int to balance them out making it easier to pick gear later

[sajbert]

I think we can agree that in practice the stat difference won't make any difference with Velious level end-game gear. Even prior to that it will likely not impact you in any significant way. Charisma and int can both be capped with some effort and self-buffs.

If we still wish to minmax stats then Erudites get +5 MR and Humans instead have best stamina. Neither stat which will be capped with BIS-velious gear. Oh and don't waste points on agi for Erudite, you will get +5 agi on enchanter gear and if you're dead (again) before 70 or 75 agi makes any difference during a corpse run.

I am not sure if a saved buffslot on gnome illusion ever matters when self-buffing or duo'ing, then there's a minmax argument for gnome which is the preferred illusion in dungeons.

However, I think most will agree with that it's convenient not having to mem gnome illusion and cast it. It also does save you a small bit of mana not having to. Thus Gnome is the clear QoL of life winner.

And as for Dark Elf and High Elf... Hide is pointless in high level areas, things can and will see invis. Hide is a bad charm-break and GGR makes hide redundant. High Elf charisma is pointless eventually as you wil self-buff cap it in Velious even on a gnome without sacrificing other stats. I do believe HE has a place for the untwinked player who wants the smoothest run to 60, but that's about it.


I guess there's the fashion argument too... I like Human enchanters tbh but each to their own.

[Trelaboon]

You can cast illusion for that.

This is what I thought when I made an Erudite. Turns out knowing deep down I’m not a Gnome really ruins it for me lol

[Gwilson21]

I have spent time mediating and speaking to Valhalla. And let be real if you’re an enchanter you know what the gates of Valhalla look like. It seems to me that the overall best race is a human.

Once the system lets me out of suspension later on today for a crime that I was unlawfully in punished for then I will create my human enchanter…. Who’s coming with me?

[Seducio]

Having played every race as enchanter except Erudite it's a bit of a wash. Personal preference and fashion quest will ultimately be what you care about most if you hit 60.

Dark elf are a little behind in stats compared to the other options, but Ultravision and hide balance things out.

Go with any of the races and revel in the fact you already picked the most powerful class.

[Swish]

If you want to be a little unique, go human :)

[sajbert]

Ok. I will add that I am a little harsh on HE. If you go with a BIS raiding loadout, assuming you'd be insane enough to go that far, you'll find that several of the best pieces lack Charisma and that it therefore can be difficult to hit 205 cha unbuffed with some races like Gnome. If you're able to hit 255 charisma by taking some hits to hp, mana and resists you'll also save another buffslot.

I can safely say I'll never go for all BIS on any character so it won't be an issue and without those items it's relatively easy to get 205 cha even with a gnome.

[Toxigen]

Ok. I will add that I am a little harsh on HE. If you go with a BIS raiding loadout, assuming you'd be insane enough to go that far, you'll find that several of the best pieces lack Charisma and that it therefore can be difficult to hit 205 cha unbuffed with some races like Gnome. If you're able to hit 255 charisma by taking some hits to hp, mana and resists you'll also save another buffslot.

I can safely say I'll never go for all BIS on any character so it won't be an issue and without those items it's relatively easy to get 205 cha even with a gnome.

If you're BiS you're so tanky that max cha doesn't matter as much. Nothing is going to kill you.

Exhibit A: https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:Zarza

This enchanter almost tanked Vindi. lol

[unsunghero]

If you're BiS you're so tanky that max cha doesn't matter as much. Nothing is going to kill you.

Exhibit A: https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:Zarza

This enchanter almost tanked Vindi. lol

Jesus

[sajbert]

I like the shovel of the harvest just because.

But similarly, with this level of gear you could sacrifice some hp and ac and mana for a bit of charisma if need be. In a minmax setting then I guess an enchanter would need to give up a little bit less, but of course it doesn't really matter.

[Crede]

If you're BiS you're so tanky that max cha doesn't matter as much. Nothing is going to kill you.

Exhibit A: https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:Zarza

This enchanter almost tanked Vindi. lol

That is so much dkp

[Swish]

Legit has more HP than my not very well geared 60 SK

[Lune]

If you're BiS you're so tanky that max cha doesn't matter as much. Nothing is going to kill you.

Exhibit A: https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:Zarza

This enchanter almost tanked Vindi. lol

what a waste of melee gear

That ench is still just going to take damage far worse than even a ranger. All that HP is barely going to do shit because it's going to be max hit after max hit with minimal avoidance from low melee skills.

[Toxigen]

what a waste of melee gear

That ench is still just going to take damage far worse than even a ranger. All that HP is barely going to do shit because it's going to be max hit after max hit with minimal avoidance from low melee skills.

DKP is free to spend. Those were the days (years?) when Aftermath was getting every single target. He likely got tons of it on the cheap.

All I really meant was for normal enchanter activities...that level of gear makes you a god...even without 205 CHA (which he still kept a set for).

[spoil]

Who wants to be a God? The most bored player has to be that dorf warrior with the 2 SoDs.

[Seducio]

Best part about an enchanter is they don't need gear though.

The coolest feats you will hear about from any Enchanter involve completing some of the higher up mobs on the Solo Artist Challenge with no help.

Every Enchanter worth his salt would find an individual capable of getting those kills regardless of equipment more impressive than a BIS Enchanter that isn't capable of getting those kills.

Not making any claims about anyone in this thread as they most likely have the bona fide required for these high end kills.

Rather making the observation all Enchanters eventually figure out that Equipment is the least of your concerns.

[unsunghero]

Best part about an enchanter is they don't need gear though.

The coolest feats you will hear about from any Enchanter involve completing some of the higher up mobs on the Solo Artist Challenge with no help.

Every Enchanter worth his salt would find an individual capable of getting those kills regardless of equipment more impressive than a BIS Enchanter that isn't capable of getting those kills.

Not making any claims about anyone in this thread as they most likely have the bona fide required for these high end kills.

Rather making the observation all Enchanters eventually figure out that Equipment is the least of your concerns.

Regardless, I’m always going to have more respect for a video maker or enchanter who does it naked or in scrub gear rather than one who does it in their raid BiS

I’ve seen a few enchanter guides that start out with them introducing themselves with their epic and full raid gear “watch me solo this guy” and I am already losing some interest. But I still appreciate their info

Do it naked next time! Is what I’m personally thinking (in game of course……)

[Toxigen]

Best part about an enchanter is they don't need gear though.

The coolest feats you will hear about from any Enchanter involve completing some of the higher up mobs on the Solo Artist Challenge with no help.

Every Enchanter worth his salt would find an individual capable of getting those kills regardless of equipment more impressive than a BIS Enchanter that isn't capable of getting those kills.

Not making any claims about anyone in this thread as they most likely have the bona fide required for these high end kills.

Rather making the observation all Enchanters eventually figure out that Equipment is the least of your concerns.

Yeah...if you don't have the knowledge / skills to do those high end solos no amount of gear will make it happen.

But...if you're at the level of a Prismatica, Nybras, etc...that gear certainly can save you when things go tits up.

Zarza had aspirations to tank Vindi. It didn't work, but I'm 99% sure hes the only enchanter insane enough to even try.

[Seducio]

Yeah...if you don't have the knowledge / skills to do those high end solos no amount of gear will make it happen.

But...if you're at the level of a Prismatica, Nybras, etc...that gear certainly can save you when things go tits up.

Zarza had aspirations to tank Vindi. It didn't work, but I'm 99% sure hes the only enchanter insane enough to even try.

Ya it literally sounds impossible for an enchanter to pull off tanking Vindi, yet if an enchanter were to be tanking in general that is def the right kit for it.