As a christian.

[magnetaress]

How do you deal with athiests or satanists who don't want to understand you, disrespect you and your boundaries, and lack all integrity and trust worthiness?

[Rager and Quitter]

I just do a 360 and walk away.

[Evia]

I pray for them. I know that sounds like the cop out christian answer, but its true. If you think about it I actually feel quite bad for them. This world and the life experience can be quite disheartening and grim and thats even with Christ in my heart. I try to empathize with them in the sense that they're flying solo and dont have Christ to lean on and so therefore are taking lifes blows just full on without any relief. I know how hard that road is because I myself walked it before I picked up the cross. I just try my best to let Christ lead me in conversation with these people. Not to try to convert them or to convince them of anything but to try and show them true unconditional kindness and compassion. For Christs message was ultimately that.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

I take comfort in the fact that while I'm chilling they will be roasting in an eternal fire, where their worm dieth not, and for literally the next 50 quad trillion years, I'll be chilling, they'll still be crying out, howling in agony for mercy

But our God has none. Once the trumpet sounds, zero mercy. That's the payday. I'd feel kind of cheated if everyone got to heaven. It wouldn't be fair!

[Ekco]

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[Topgunben]

How do you deal with athiests or satanists who don't want to understand you, disrespect you and your boundaries, and lack all integrity and trust worthiness?

The same way I would treat anyone, including other Christians, that treat me that way. I block them from every aspect of my life and sleep like a baby.

[Swish]

The same way I would treat anyone, including other Christians, that treat me that way. I block them from every aspect of my life and sleep like a baby.

Yep.

[magnetaress]

Thanks all.

Yeah I blocked them and ended the relationship. It's in G-ds hands now. I care about them. I can't bear their sin on my soul or be their salvation. For I myself am not Jesus Christ or G-d.

I hope one day they will let go of the fear and shame that they choose to excuse their neglect, ignorance, and attempted domination of G-d and his creation.

[Penish]

get a fucking therapist and touch grass, my god

[magnetaress]

get a fucking therapist and touch grass, my god

Already got both. Pretty sure the grass and therapist agree too on this one :o

[Lune]

I pray for them. I know that sounds like the cop out christian answer, but its true. If you think about it I actually feel quite bad for them. This world and the life experience can be quite disheartening and grim and thats even with Christ in my heart. I try to empathize with them in the sense that they're flying solo and dont have Christ to lean on and so therefore are taking lifes blows just full on without any relief. I know how hard that road is because I myself walked it before I picked up the cross. I just try my best to let Christ lead me in conversation with these people. Not to try to convert them or to convince them of anything but to try and show them true unconditional kindness and compassion. For Christs message was ultimately that.

Atheism is a pretty ridiculous position imo. Agnosticism is a matter of epistemological outlook, and atheism a matter of belief, and they are separate. The more I've learned about the universe, the more atheism seems absurd. I believe in something, but I don't really know what.

I wouldn't say it is any more difficult to deal with life's blows without believing in a judeochristian God. Death without an afterlife is peace and rest in a way. Look at it this way-- from my perspective, at death, I'm going to either find out there is an afterlife... yay! Or completely blink out of existence, in which case I won't be around to fret about it. I'm also accountable only to my own morality, and believe in trying to be a good person for its own sake. Which is maybe easier I guess? And if I got sent to hell for that I'd be joining a lot of very benevolent souls who just happened to believe in the wrong God.

I guess I would say I do try to follow Christ's ultimate message without necessarily believing he was divine. It's a great message.

[aussenseiter]

Atheism is a pretty ridiculous position imo. Agnosticism is a matter of epistemological outlook, and atheism a matter of belief, and they are separate. The more I've learned about the universe, the more atheism seems absurd. I believe in something, but I don't really know what.

I wouldn't say it is any more difficult to deal with life's blows without believing in a judeochristian God. Death without an afterlife is peace and rest in a way. Look at it this way-- from my perspective, at death, I'm going to either find out there is an afterlife... yay! Or completely blink out of existence, in which case I won't be around to fret about it. I'm also accountable only to my own morality, and believe in trying to be a good person for its own sake. Which is maybe easier I guess? And if I got sent to hell for that I'd be joining a lot of very benevolent souls who just happened to believe in the wrong God.

I guess I would say I do try to follow Christ's ultimate message without necessarily believing he was divine. It's a great message.

Lots of users find God after they get 'clean' in secular terms.

But you aren't really clean until baptism at the minimum.

[Lune]

Lots of users find God after they get 'clean' in secular terms.

But you aren't really clean until baptism at the minimum.

I am baptized. Was raised Christian

[aussenseiter]

I am baptized. Was raised Christian

And you soiled yourself. Take a bath(ablution).

[Lune]

lol, man, what an appealing outlook

Deus vult, heretic!

[unsunghero]

Lots of users find God after they get 'clean' in secular terms.

But you aren't really clean until baptism at the minimum.

My grandma said at lunch today that one thing she remembers as a little girl was that parents wouldn’t take their babies outside until they were baptized

My grandma said she was born in June but not baptized until august, so she was never taken outside once. You would think the crib is still a dangerous place but she said parents didn’t want to risk their baby dying before it was baptized and therefore going to hell

She said during confirmation as a kid to the pastor how she thought the idea of God dooming an un-baptized baby to hell ridiculous and not true

[aussenseiter]

lol, man, what an appealing outlook

Deus vult, heretic!

I operate on the understanding that doing it by yourself with intent is at least partial credit.

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[Bukowski]

lol

[Ekco]

I am baptized. Was raised Christian

forced baptism via threat of violence is way more fun. i was sent to youth bootcamp ran by gulf war vets in Texas for back talking a judge during a truancy hearing.

[Seducio]

Bukowski (Halfling)

Any cool quotes that you like by this dude from RL? Fan of this author's work.

A cool part of being alive during this era is that before I die I'll be able to ask an AI hologram version of Bukowski (the literary giant) why he hasn't written any books lately. I think he'll like that question. He'll give me a brand new way of looking at the silliness of reality that we are all involved in. All created by an AI version of him via a large language model of his current work posthumously. Can't wait.

Great art might live longer that we do.

[magnetaress]

forced baptism via threat of violence is way more fun. i was sent to youth bootcamp ran by gulf war vets in Texas for back talking a judge during a truancy hearing.

A lot of ppl need this.

This may have saved a lot of ppl.

[Seducio]

A lot of ppl need this.

This may have saved a lot of ppl.

You were born during the wrong time friend.

Sounds like the Spanish Inquisition was your jam.

[GinnasP99]

Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
2 Corinthians 6:14-18

[Seducio]

Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
2 Corinthians 6:14-18


Any group of people on earth loves to 'otherize' people that don't agree with them. Xenophobia, In Group/Out Group, and Tribalism are built into every single human being. If you are in a group it 'feels good to belong' to that group. You are taught to talk crap about those that don't conform. It is part of being human. Look into the Dunbar Number. People smarter than any of us on these forums spent their lives figuring this out.

There are 8 billion humans currently. There is simply no way that any human that understands math would conceive of any religion that has ever been conceived by any group of humans to be a viably represent of what all 8 billion humans believe.

The handful of humans in this thread talking in the English language having read 'divine scriptures' written by another human being in an English translation of a book that was not originally written in English as if it is something divine is astounding.

If you are a Chrsitian in 2023. You have not engaged the age of information that we exist in.

Go search for actual truth young believer. Was everything that you were taught true? Was there ever a moment that your parents were not honest with you? How about your teachers in school. Did everything you learn in school turn out to be 100% true?

So then you grew up and you learned some things. Some of those things you were taught didn't turn about to be true but they were there to comfort you. If Santa Clause isn't real, what other monstrosities would it very easy to convince young kids are real? These are the formative years of a young persons lives, they are imprinted by the experiences they have, and the in built human oral tradition of learning what to believe from the previously generation is alive and well.

But at what point do you grab the bull by the horns? At what point do you question the humans that have told you stories and have taught you things. When do you trust the wisdom you have created by learning about the world and the foibles of humans that have come before you to extinguish the false wisdom of those that have lied to you?

Very few ever get there.

Welcome to Earth.

[magnetaress]

Any group of people on earth loves to 'otherize' people that don't agree with them. Xenophobia, In Group/Out Group, and Tribalism are built into every single human being. If you are in a group it 'feels good to belong' to that group. You are taught to talk crap about those that don't conform. It is part of being human. Look into the Dunbar Number. People smarter than any of us on these forums spent their lives figuring this out.

There are 8 billion humans currently. There is simply no way that any human that understands math would conceive of any religion that has ever been conceived by any group of humans to be a viably represent of what all 8 billion humans believe.

The handful of humans in this thread talking in the English language having read 'divine scriptures' written by another human being in an English translation of a book that was not originally written in English as if it is something divine is astounding.

If you are a Chrsitian in 2023. You have not engaged the age of information that we exist in.

Go search for actual truth young believer. Was everything that you were taught true? Was there ever a moment that your parents were not honest with you? How about your teachers in school. Did everything you learn in school turn out to be 100% true?

So then you grew up and you learned some things. Some of those things you were taught didn't turn about to be true but they were there to comfort you. If Santa Clause isn't real, what other monstrosities would it very easy to convince young kids are real? These are the formative years of a young persons lives, they are imprinted by the experiences they have, and the in built human oral tradition of learning what to believe from the previously generation is alive and well.

But at what point do you grab the bull by the horns? At what point do you question the humans that have told you stories and have taught you things. When do you trust the wisdom you have created by learning about the world and the foibles of humans that have come before you to extinguish the false wisdom of those that have lied to you?

Very few ever get there.

Welcome to Earth.

By seeking the truth I found Jesus Christ. And yes that meant watching many of Jibartiks religious videos as well on just who exactly Christ was.

[Duik]

Atheism is a pretty ridiculous position imo. Agnosticism is a matter of epistemological outlook, and atheism a matter of belief, and they are separate. The more I've learned about the universe, the more atheism seems absurd. I believe in something, but I don't really know what.

I wouldn't say it is any more difficult to deal with life's blows without believing in a judeochristian God. Death without an afterlife is peace and rest in a way. Look at it this way-- from my perspective, at death, I'm going to either find out there is an afterlife... yay! Or completely blink out of existence, in which case I won't be around to fret about it. I'm also accountable only to my own morality, and believe in trying to be a good person for its own sake. Which is maybe easier I guess? And if I got sent to hell for that I'd be joining a lot of very benevolent souls who just happened to believe in the wrong God.

I guess I would say I do try to follow Christ's ultimate message without necessarily believing he was divine. It's a great message.

Perfection.

You let me not believe in the divine and ill in turn not call your saviour a zombie sky fairy.

[Seducio]

Atheism is much easier than you say.

A simple way of understanding Atheism is that it believes in one less god than monotheists.

Atheists and monotheists are in agreement that Zeus doesn't exist.

They just don't agree on the existence of the god that monotheists believe in.

[Seducio]

By seeking the truth I found Jesus Christ. And yes that meant watching many of Jibartiks religious videos as well on just who exactly Christ was.

With all due respect. Santa was cooler. I miss Santa. But I get it.

[aussenseiter]

Atheism is much easier than you say.

A simple way of understanding Atheism is that it believes in one less god than monotheists.

Atheists and monotheists are in agreement that Zeus doesn't exist.

They just don't agree on the existence of the god that monotheists believe in.

This is a mathematical fallacy.

[aussenseiter]

By seeking the truth I found Jesus Christ. And yes that meant watching many of Jibartiks religious videos as well on just who exactly Christ was.

Ablution is a step to absolution

🚿

[Seducio]

This is a mathematical fallacy.


Explain.

[aussenseiter]

Explain.

It means bad reasoning.

[Seducio]

Ablution is a step to absolution

🚿

People that shower are clean? What are you saying.

Use words that make sense guy.

[aussenseiter]

People that shower are clean? What are you saying.

Use words that make sense guy.

I'm harassing starkind. 💯

[Seducio]

Whose that

[aussenseiter]

It means bad reasoning.

SHlnEQPSWFM

[Seducio]

Wait wait. Your argument that you weren't able say yourself and instead had a youtube video say for you is that some gods are counterfeit and some gods are not counterfeit?

Huh?

'It's Easier to Fool People Than to Convince Them That They Have Been Fooled' - Mark Twain

[aussenseiter]

Wait wait. Your argument that you weren't able say yourself and instead had a youtube video say for you is that some gods are counterfeit and some gods are not counterfeit?

Huh?

'It's Easier to Fool People Than to Convince Them That They Have Been Fooled' - Mark Twain

I'm a monkey who learned to use tools, am I not? 🙄

[Lune]

Satan as a concept is super cool though so score 1 for Christians

And also score 1 for Mark Twain

Ntf5_ue2Lzw

[Seducio]

How many chromosomes do you have in your DNA?

[Seducio]

Satan as a concept is super cool though so score 1 for Christians

Ntf5_ue2Lzw

Pretty sure the Gnostics created that and the other Christians killed them for it.

Also most modern Chistians understand of the bible as a version is closer to Milton's Paradise Lost as compared to what the original writers said in the gospels written in aramaic.

[Lune]

Pretty sure the Gnostics created that and the other Christians killed them for it.

Also most modern Chistians understand of the bible as a version is closer to Milton's Paradise Lost as compared to what the original writers said in the gospels written in aramaic.

That would be a product of the immense amount of telephone that got played with Christianity in the West, and particularly the US; from a Roman cult, to catholicism, to protestantism and all its variations for the germanic and nordic cultures, carried across the Atlantic in the hands of religious dissidents to eventually go through the Great Awakening and become evangelicalism. Really all just products of a Christian essence applied to different cultures... orthodox in the east, coptics, etc. You end up with this truly wild take on Christianity

The views on Satan almost feel pagan in influence, like Christmas and Easter.

[Seducio]

Mos def. Monotheism has created a paradigm for humans in the last several thousand years with tremendous evolutionary fitness. Basically god believing babes bang way more than secular babes.

[Seducio]

Part of why they might (the high level of banging that religious babes engage in) is that Christianity has been infused with all sorts of really cool pagan concepts because the pagans that Christians met along the way had more kids with them initially. If you can't beat them have their customs join yours. So Christianity adopted their heroes and their holidays for the express purpose of having higher rates of sexual moments and that is still a part of what it means to be Christian.

That Christmas Party that your company is throwing for the team this year. Remember to thank the pagans while celebrating a fake date of when a guy was born.

Humans are incredible story tellers.

[Lune]

Part of why they might (the high level of banging that religious babes engage in) is that Christianity has been infused with all sorts of really cool pagan concepts because the pagans that Christians met along the way had more kids with them initially. If you can't beat them have their customs join yours. So Christianity adopted their heroes and their holidays for the express purpose of having higher rates of sexual moments and that is still a part of what it means to be Christian.

That Christmas Party that your company is throwing for the team this year. Remember to thank the pagans while celebrating a fake date of when a guy was born.

Humans are incredible story tellers.

And thus 'fairy tale' is exceedingly apt for organized religion if you're gonna be harsh. There is such strong natural selection inherent in stories over time, especially apparent when you look at actual fairy tales. These are stories that are thought to have existed in some form for thousands of years, and have been whittled down to the most highly viral story structure when retold, over countless retellings. Japan ended up with an alternate version of basically Cindarella (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hachikazuki), and One Thousand and One Nights (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Thousand_and_One_Nights) is highly syncretic across the entire middle east.

[Seducio]

How do you deal with athiests or satanists who don't want to understand you, disrespect you and your boundaries, and lack all integrity and trust worthiness?

To give OP an honest response. Your faith would perhaps say turning the other cheek and that the meek will inherit the earth. Your answer is in heaven not here. As in the answer lies when you reach the divine presence in heaven. On the other hand worldly wisdom would suggest The Golden Rule.

If you want wisdom from your own faith then forgiveness is the answer. And prayer. The whole 'what would Jesus do' thing? Ultimately though since you are endowed with free will according to Christian faith you ultimately get to decide. And you will be judged regardless of your decision and also forgiven.

The cosmopolitanism of the The Golden Rule says to do under others as you would want to have done unto you. For this reason the Golden Rule will exist long after all of us are gone also. Humans thousands of years from now will be asking the same question you just asked. Including Christians. Christianity will be around for a long long time. Have solace in that.

The historical perspective is to procreate your way to victory. We usually just hear about the wars instead though.

[Seducio]

Very last bit of advice would be if OP is actually serious which I honestly can't tell for this one.

Go speak to your trusted advisor in whatever faith you prescribe.

If you don't have a priest/rabbi/something like that then talk to the person who shares your beliefs that you most admire and is good an communicating with you.

Someone you would listen to.

If all that is something you have no interest in then try this: When was the last time you laughed? Go watch a killer standup comedy and laugh your brains out. Works wonders.

[Ruien]

Not even atheists believe that the universe came from nothing, but the quantum fields and eternal inflation they postulate must have existed in order to produce such a universe are no less incredible.

But the real difficult problem that atheists and agnostics struggle to account for is something called the "fine-tuning of observability". Suppose there are an infinite number of universes produced in sequence- most of them dead- but a select few with the perfect fundamental constants exist somewhere, and those eventually beget life. By the anthropic principle it is unsurprising that we find ourselves in a universe that supports complex life, no matter how rare or unlikely the odds.

The problem is that the overwhelming majority of these life-supporting universes only barely do (with relatively high entropy), but we find ourselves in a much-better-than-typical universe in which it is even possible to discern that the universe had a beginning. See [1], [2], and [3]. Now, an intentional creator God would be interested in the universe being observable, so that his divine nature could be seen from the things that were made [4]. No natural explanation remains for why our universe is exceedingly low-entropy and highly-observable except that it was intentional.

[1]: https://arxiv.org/pdf/hep-th/0208013.pdf (Disturbing Implications of a Cosmological Constant), Dyson, Stanford University
[2]: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1606.08448.pdf (Relative Likelihood for Life as a Function of Cosmic Time), Loeb, Harvard University
[3]: https://arxiv.org/pdf/0704.0221.pdf (The Return of a Static Universe and the End of Cosmology), Krauss, Case Western Reserve University
[4]: Romans 1:20 (CSB): For his invisible attributes, that is, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen since the creation of the world, being understood through what he has made. As a result, people are without excuse.


The above outlines the background and reasonableness of theism but it does not say anything about Christianity being true compared to any other religion. The veracity of Christianity depends entirely on the truth of the physical resurrection of Jesus circa AD 33. The stories of the resurrection were not oral tradition passed down for generations before finally being recorded centuries later. Mark was written in the AD 60's- a fact not even disputed by secular biblical scholars.
The issue that agnostics and detractors struggle with here is this: There hasn't been any successful alternative theory as to how this group of defeated apostles radically changed and took their conviction to their grave even under persecution. There have been many attempts (stolen body, swoon theory, conspiracy theory, etc) but they do not hold up under scrutiny. Liars make terrible martyrs. (and even the concept of a resurrected messiah was utterly foreign to first-century Jews). [5]

[5]: A fun illustration: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23UNLLbOS3w

Ultimately, sure- some things may have been lost or altered in translation/transmission, and Jesus was probably not born on Dec 25. But these end up just being nit-picks- a distraction, and nothing more, and they're not significant enough to change the conclusions above.

So, how do I deal with athiests or satanists who don't want to understand / disrespect / etc? You just give the best evidence you can and that's good enough. Rejection is not something to be scared of- it's sometimes just part of the process[6]. If something is true, disbelieving it doesn't make it disappear. I cannot imagine standing before the throne of God with a defense of "I ignored everything, and so I didn't know."

[6]: See the entirety of Mark 5 for examples of this.

[Seducio]

Thanks for giving it a shot. You appear to find what you have said compelling.

I don't find what you wrote compelling.

You're probably a cool dude though.

[Seducio]

Put 100 random atheists in a room and test their individual belief structures via written test. The results might not look like they all believe the same thing. The atheists most likely would disagree with each other as much as they would with believers.

Put 100 random Christians in a room and test their individual belief structures via written test. The results might not look like they all believe the same thing. They would disagree with each other despite being all Christian. Hence there are all the different churches and sects of Christianity.

What you find is each individual human has a belief structure that differs enough that the label given cannot account for the complete world view that each human has.

As best as I can tell most humans that call themself Christian do it as virtue signal not as a matter of what they believe in their day to day behavior. Rather it is a signal to others in their community that they share the same beliefs so they can belong.

That Christian virtue signal use to carry more weight in USA than it currently does and so some folks are struggling on how to act in the current environment because it used to be simple to just be on the right team. It's harder to tell now. The Woke virtue signal is going through a similar mea culpa on the left as people are questioning whether that is the right team also.

Confirmation bias is the default for humans. The wiser among us attack our own beliefs with all we've got. Whatever survives is what was actually strong enough within us in the first place.

In the age of information I have awareness that the amount of information available is doubling at astronomical rate. If I were a Christian I wouldn't be worried about atheists. I would be worried about AI creating a better story of heaven.

[long.liam]

Satan as a concept is super cool though so score 1 for Christians

And also score 1 for Mark Twain

Ntf5_ue2Lzw

I'm a little confused on the whole Satan thing. Sometimes Satan is referred to as a singular entity, like "The Lord of Hell" "Prince of Evil" etc. Other Times Satan referred to just a random adversary, maybe a little demon, or even just some human guy that happens to be pissing someone off.

Personally though I think most modern iterations of evil characters are way more interesting than anything that was historically produced. Most bad guys were pretty one note or very flat. It's way more intriguing to have antagonists with complex personalities and motivations.

[Bukowski]

Any cool quotes that you like by this dude from RL? Fan of this author's work.

A cool part of being alive during this era is that before I die I'll be able to ask an AI hologram version of Bukowski (the literary giant) why he hasn't written any books lately. I think he'll like that question. He'll give me a brand new way of looking at the silliness of reality that we are all involved in. All created by an AI version of him via a large language model of his current work posthumously. Can't wait.

Great art might live longer that we do.

Sorry for the slow reply. I commented on this thread thinking it was silly, and not intending to ever look at it again. Then saw in an email you replied to me. I was just about to go to sleep, and I'm not 100% sure what you mean by "RL" - but I do have quite a few Bukowski quotes I enjoy (lines/phrases from poems, etc).

Admittedly, when I was really into Bukowski it was quite some years ago..so I'm not entirely sure they all mean to me what they did back then.

Some of my favorite lines of his are not necessarily his most popular musings about the state of humanity or people. I really enjoyed the way he could instill a certain slice of life into the endings of his poems, just very human moments.

"later we joked about the lotion
and the cigarette and the apple.
then I went out and got some chicken
and shrimp and french fries and buns
and mashed potatoes and gravy and
cole slaw,and we ate.she told me
how good she felt and I told her
how good I felt and we
ate the chicken and the shrimp and the
french fries and the buns and the
mashed potatoes and the gravy and
the cole slaw too."

[magnetaress]

I'm a little confused on the whole Satan thing. Sometimes Satan is referred to as a singular entity, like "The Lord of Hell" "Prince of Evil" etc. Other Times Satan referred to just a random adversary, maybe a little demon, or even just some human guy that happens to be pissing someone off.

Personally though I think most modern iterations of evil characters are way more interesting than anything that was historically produced. Most bad guys were pretty one note or very flat. It's way more intriguing to have antagonists with complex personalities and motivations.

Watch supernatural, it's heretical, butt there's a complex personality for u

Jealousy of G-d and his Creation(s) is satans MO

he hates humans because G-d loves them and looks after them and gives us a chance at redemption where as Satan thinks we should all be destroyed because we are beyond redemption and imperfect (like "he is perfect").

In other words G-d won't let Satan (the perfect being) into heaven butt he'll let us shitlords in. So Satan has set about his job to turn us towards evil and keep us from everlasting peace and love and keep us locked into this realm of material and death to punish us for being imperfect because G-d won't. Jibartik has a lot to say on this.

Currently Satan rules the earth. So be careful if you don't adress ur prayers to G-d directly u'll probably get him.

Satan only loves himself and he wants g-d's love but will never get it (the way he wants, to be ruler of the universe and destroy all the hooomans), and he wants the ang ***Els (Nephilim) to follow him, and he tolerates them even though they aren't as perfect as him.

It's all very DC/marvel/X-men if ur into that sorta blasphemy. And Idolatry.

[magnetaress]

P.S. I was baptized so when I had my NDE and was being judged (already) it was pretty much all the apostles and Christ and G-d coming to visit me. (in reply to seducio)

It was very weird I can't describe it here exactly they where all there in name and action tho. And a few of my loved ones. PLUS my past self including in name so I could see the alternate paths my life could have taken.

I was given the choice to come back and I did. I'm not sure why I did it was foolish of me, because I could have died then and there.

Seducio you mention the many branching universes


the universe I came back into is way (and i mean clearly mandela effect in big way(s)) different than the one I left when I died to face judgement ---- from an athiestic perspective, that universe existed and is now ded, i believe it now exists without me that that branch now carries on without me and still exists with all the ppl in it, and that I simply jumped branches my conciousness was given that choice and G-d granted me this succor.

QM is a real funky thing if ur into athiesm, butt our choices, feelings, thoughts, words, deeds, imaginations, directly reflect in everything in reality. And I do believe that is by design. Our Ego is what keeps us from G-d. Yet that is by design aswell. (I believe because G-d wishes us to become more like him so that we may GROW and become /be independent AND also GOOD, not to replace him tho, in this way he will raise some of us up into a special position i forget what it is called to look after the NEXT universe, while the rest go to new jeruselem or heaven)

Tho I am flawed and cannot quote the scripture and explain this all in the detail it was explained to me, I take solace in that I can share this message with you and tell you that G-d has a WONDERFUL and GLORIOUS plan for all of us and we are free to live and partake in his plan.

Athiests would just say I have a limited consciousness or altered mental state and reality and my awareness is crumbling, I beg to differ tho. They would probably blame it on head trauma as that would be most likely.

I doubt it tho and I have much more faith in G-d then some head trauma that wouldn't make sense to be so exact in detail and purpose.

As for the golden rule, I do not want to torture or hurt this person so they are being cut lose to torture themselves. Until they can see the light of day and come into G-d's grace again.

[Seducio]

"later we joked about the lotion
and the cigarette and the apple.
then I went out and got some chicken
and shrimp and french fries and buns
and mashed potatoes and gravy and
cole slaw,and we ate.she told me
how good she felt and I told her
how good I felt and we
ate the chicken and the shrimp and the
french fries and the buns and the
mashed potatoes and the gravy and
the cole slaw too."

Thanks for sharing. I hadn't seen this piece. Sweet, short and punchy. Almost similar to a Pablo Naruda vibe poetic. Appreciate your reply.

[Seducio]

P.S. I was baptized so when I had my NDE and was being judged (already) it was pretty much all the apostles and Christ and G-d coming to visit me. (in reply to seducio)

It was very weird I can't describe it here exactly they where all there in name and action tho. And a few of my loved ones. PLUS my past self including in name so I could see the alternate paths my life could have taken.

I was given the choice to come back and I did. I'm not sure why I did it was foolish of me, because I could have died then and there.

Seducio you mention the many branching universes


the universe I came back into is way (and i mean clearly mandela effect in big way(s)) different than the one I left when I died to face judgement ---- from an athiestic perspective, that universe existed and is now ded, i believe it now exists without me that that branch now carries on without me and still exists with all the ppl in it, and that I simply jumped branches my conciousness was given that choice and G-d granted me this succor.

QM is a real funky thing if ur into athiesm, butt our choices, feelings, thoughts, words, deeds, imaginations, directly reflect in everything in reality. And I do believe that is by design. Our Ego is what keeps us from G-d. Yet that is by design aswell. (I believe because G-d wishes us to become more like him so that we may GROW and become /be independent AND also GOOD, not to replace him tho, in this way he will raise some of us up into a special position i forget what it is called to look after the NEXT universe, while the rest go to new jeruselem or heaven)

Tho I am flawed and cannot quote the scripture and explain this all in the detail it was explained to me, I take solace in that I can share this message with you and tell you that G-d has a WONDERFUL and GLORIOUS plan for all of us and we are free to live and partake in his plan.

Athiests would just say I have a limited consciousness or altered mental state and reality and my awareness is crumbling, I beg to differ tho. They would probably blame it on head trauma as that would be most likely.

I doubt it tho and I have much more faith in G-d then some head trauma that wouldn't make sense to be so exact in detail and purpose.

As for the golden rule, I do not want to torture or hurt this person so they are being cut lose to torture themselves. Until they can see the light of day and come into G-d's grace again.

Incredibly insightful and honest. I appreciate your perspective.

[arvidez]

I'm a little confused on the whole Satan thing. Sometimes Satan is referred to as a singular entity, like "The Lord of Hell" "Prince of Evil" etc. Other Times Satan referred to just a random adversary, maybe a little demon, or even just some human guy that happens to be pissing someone off.

Personally though I think most modern iterations of evil characters are way more interesting than anything that was historically produced. Most bad guys were pretty one note or very flat. It's way more intriguing to have antagonists with complex personalities and motivations.

Mephistopheles("a certain snake, my near relation") was an expert on "how men torment themselves". if you had the choice to become smart as a god or to live forever(tree of knowledge and tree of life)...

the devil (us tormenting ourselves) chose knowledge (consciousness or EGO). with no ego there is no consciousness, there is no "I". choosing knowledge we chose death. we created the "I" that dies.

everyone knows there isnt really a bunny running around a tree and coming up through a hole, but it helps get the shoes tied. pointing out there is no bunny is kind of silly, no?

[Seducio]

Mephistopheles("a certain snake, my near relation") was an expert on "how men torment themselves". if you had the choice to become smart as a god or to live forever(tree of knowledge and tree of life)...

the devil (us tormenting ourselves) chose knowledge (consciousness or EGO). with no ego there is no consciousness, there is no "I". choosing knowledge we chose death. we created the "I" that dies.

everyone knows there isnt really a bunny running around a tree and coming up through a hole, but it helps get the shoes tied. pointing out there is no bunny is kind of silly, no?

This is a really cool take and perspective. Forgive my lack of awareness but are there any stories about the Tree of Life similar to Adam and Eve re: Tree of Knowledge?

I always wanted to learn and hear more about the Life tree but perhaps I didn't know where to look or who to ask since everyone focuses on the Adam and Eve story.

[fivehundredyearwinter]

Put 100 random atheists in a room and test their individual belief structures via written test. The results might not look like they all believe the same thing. The atheists most likely would disagree with each other as much as they would with believers.

Put 100 random Christians in a room and test their individual belief structures via written test. The results might not look like they all believe the same thing. They would disagree with each other despite being all Christian. Hence there are all the different churches and sects of Christianity.

What you find is each individual human has a belief structure that differs enough that the label given cannot account for the complete world view that each human has.

As best as I can tell most humans that call themself Christian do it as virtue signal not as a matter of what they believe in their day to day behavior. Rather it is a signal to others in their community that they share the same beliefs so they can belong.

That Christian virtue signal use to carry more weight in USA than it currently does and so some folks are struggling on how to act in the current environment because it used to be simple to just be on the right team. It's harder to tell now. The Woke virtue signal is going through a similar mea culpa on the left as people are questioning whether that is the right team also.

Confirmation bias is the default for humans. The wiser among us attack our own beliefs with all we've got. Whatever survives is what was actually strong enough within us in the first place.

In the age of information I have awareness that the amount of information available is doubling at astronomical rate. If I were a Christian I wouldn't be worried about atheists. I would be worried about AI creating a better story of heaven.

My friend was brought up in a hypercalvinist sect that believes God has already chosen all who would be saved, and therefore there is no way to get into heaven through belief or conversion because God has already made the decision before the world was made.

Calvinists believe that there is an 'Elect' group of people who are pre-chosen to go to heaven, and they are revealed by doing good deeds that god makes himself obvious through. Now how do you know god makes himself obvious through a particular good deed? Because good things happen to you, maybe. In truth, Calvinists disagree on this, and what constitutes a 'good deed'. In some sects, simply praying a lot and accepting god and jesus is enough to be considered a 'good deed'.

Then you have Calvinists who also see baptism as a requirement to be saved, because an Elect in their view can still be damned by not being baptized or failing to do good deeds.

This brought some Calvinists into conflict with Catholics. Catholics believe good deeds are necessary to get into heaven and there's no pre-election. So it's Good Deeds Get You Into Heaven vs You Know You're Going To Heaven Because You Did Good Deeds And Saw God In Them.

and then

With the fractitious nature of Christianity, there's a signifcant subset of Calvinists who believe every other kind of Christian (especially Catholics) are going to Hell because they are not elect. So even dyed in the wool Christians who have done nothing but be charitable and kind are damned because they are not one of the Elect.


As for my family, they were Methodists and Catholics. Methodism is considered a Arminian doctrine branch of Protestantism. Arminians believe Jesus Christ died for the sins of all humanity, and there is no such thing as a special Elect because it goes against God's merciful nature.

Hell, there's some subsects of Aminians who believe anyone who is good in general and does good deeds is automatically going to some form of heaven. The Hindu man who spends 50 years of his life replanting an entire forest to help improve soil conditions, bring back endangered animals, and prevent flooding of his home village is just as heaven-bound as Cheryl who works at Kroger's and goes to church every Sunday.

But then you also need to know there's other branches of Christianity who believe that only belief in Jesus will spare you eternal damnation, and that any sin can be forgiven, and sincerely believe that Ted Bundy (who converted in jail) is more deserving of heaven than the hypothetical Hindu guy just because Ted Bundy believed in Jesus.


Note: While Dr. Dobson seemed to believe Ted was genuine in his conversion, others who interacted with Bundy in his final days believe it was less genuine and more Ted suddenly realizing he was about to die. One guard even said Ted's loud praying for 'everyone' seemed performative. If I remember right, Dobson himself later seemed to also have some doubts to Ted's sincerity, but ultimately decided it's all up to god's own mercy.

[Seducio]

It's almost as if each human that reads from texts that are categorized as 'divine texts' has their own interpretation of it. Is this why prior to the Reformation regular people who didn't know Latin were not able to read the Bible and interpret it themselves? Like it was a power move by the established church(es) at the time?

This reminds me that when I read about the correspondence and creation of the ideas that ended up in the US Constitution via the Federalist and Anti-Federalist paper debates.

Each of the thirteen (13) original colonies had a differing interpretation of what the Constitution meant to suit their specific geographical and economic needs at the time.

As in the multiple interpretations of the Constitution is seen as a feature and not a bug.

The colonies unanimously agreed to the Constitution even though all thirteen didn't agree on what it meant.

[magnetaress]

I feel the biggest point we tend to neglect or overlook is that those texts and their origins are one of the biggest gateways towards true enlightenment and salvation. It's very easy to be overly critical because some sect somewhere doesn't measure up to "our standards"... yet at least they are on the path or way to salvation. Where as those that just live for pleasure and comfort and seek only their own immortality or power ... well... they are going to have a hard time finding peace and rest from the pain of ego. No one says you have to live with orthodox jews in a jewish commune, you have Catholicism or Islam as an option.

So it's too easy to overlook the bible and organized religion because of what some group of people make of it. The point is that it does help many of those people avoid drugs and degredation of themselves and their communities. And we need this to change badly in our secular world where people seem to feel free of any genuine consequences, I see secularism as far to nihilistic and if you think you can get away with it because the government can't get you, you are sorely mistaken in the suffering you will endure !!! and and and these ppl and have no tradition or practice in their lives that helps elevate their chakras or whatever. The very nature of communion brings us closer to Christ AND G-d. And this is a good thing. Even if those ppl still go and get themselves herpies, they have a way of coping and understanding themselves and why this happened and what they where doing to each other ! And a better way of facing it as a community than simple GULAG (which I personally favor, probably my worst sin). (a good compromise would be a monastic gulag !)

Who cares if we all agree or not? The point is glory to G-d and G-d's creation. And a better understanding of all of this, since we did chomp forbidden fruits !

.

As in the multiple interpretations of the Constitution is seen as a feature and not a bug.


This - also there aught to be multiple paths to G-d IMO. One authority above them all. And that authority ordained by G-d. I eagerly await the 2cnd coming of Christ and Judgement day for us all. It is not a day to be feared, when we are ready. Remember it's not about when one person is ready it's when G-d's creation and thus, US are ready. Those who have chosen the path of G-d will be resurrected on this day. Judged, and given our choices.

[fivehundredyearwinter]

It's almost as if each human that reads from texts that are categorized as 'divine texts' has their own interpretation of it. Is this why prior to the Reformation regular people who didn't know Latin were not able to read the Bible and interpret it themselves? Like it was a power move by the established church(es) at the time?

Depends really! There was actually a large movement of priests (and nuns!) who wanted to open literacy up to all sections of society. Latin was considered a necessary language for any noble worth their title to learn, so nobility could read the texts just fine typically. However your average peasant was unlikely to be able to read in Latin. If they could read, it would be in their own local language. But there was not much reason for many to learn to read since they weren't going to be writing letters to anyone and were unlikely to have the money for books, which back then were still a painstakingly long process of being made by hand.

Saying it was an established power move by the churches would feel like a neat and simple answer, but it'd be horribly inaccurate and paint about 1800 years of history with a single brush. The attitudes of the (catholic) Church towards mass literacy varied over time, indeed even in the Reformation the attitude of literacy was not always consistent. There was a decent subset of people who believed women learning to read was a sin, or who believed literacy should remain wholly confined to the landowning classes because 'the sheep need a rightly guided shepherd' (ie those who are not of the landowning classes are a bit dim/lesser and therefore do not need to learn to read so long as one of their 'betters' can read to them).

[magnetaress]

^^^

times a change tho and now more and more ppl than ever in the entire human history have access to the wisdom of the bible and christ and 10 commandments and the rights and traditions therein

even if its a minority of the total population of any given demographic

and it bleeds into all other aspects of society when people talk their frame (of reference teehheeee Einstien !!) is changed by their upbringing and exposure to these words (which is a good thing) because the gospel promotes integrity and compassion. Despite what the athiests would say.

EVEN IF Charlten Heston portrays Moses !

Hope this helps !

P.S. the more science I learned and understood the more convinced I am living in G-d's creation and not my own :p

[fivehundredyearwinter]

^^^

times a change tho and now more and more ppl than ever in the entire human history have access to the wisdom of the bible and christ and 10 commandments and the rights and traditions therein

even if its a minority of the total population of any given demographic

and it bleeds into all other aspects of society when people talk their frame (of reference teehheeee Einstien !!) is changed by their upbringing and exposure to these words (which is a good thing) because the gospel promotes integrity and compassion. Despite what the athiests would say.

EVEN IF Charlten Heston portrays Moses !

Hope this helps !

P.S. the more science I learned and understood the more convinced I am living in G-d's creation and not my own :p

I have lived in a very Christian country all my live and I have experienced the words of the Bible, so I can confidently say I am going to hell because I wear pants from the men's section, unfortunately.

Deut.22

[5] The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

I'm sorry but men's pants just have much better pockets and don't make me feel self-conscious about my butt! Why do I got to settle for those tiny pockets that rip so easy if I put more than six quarters in them just because they're in the women's section?

[aussenseiter]

My friend was brought up in a hypercalvinist sect that believes God has already chosen all who would be saved, and therefore there is no way to get into heaven through belief or conversion because God has already made the decision before the world was made.

Calvinists believe that there is an 'Elect' group of people who are pre-chosen to go to heaven, and they are revealed by doing good deeds that god makes himself obvious through. Now how do you know god makes himself obvious through a particular good deed? Because good things happen to you, maybe. In truth, Calvinists disagree on this, and what constitutes a 'good deed'. In some sects, simply praying a lot and accepting god and jesus is enough to be considered a 'good deed'.

Then you have Calvinists who also see baptism as a requirement to be saved, because an Elect in their view can still be damned by not being baptized or failing to do good deeds.

This brought some Calvinists into conflict with Catholics. Catholics believe good deeds are necessary to get into heaven and there's no pre-election. So it's Good Deeds Get You Into Heaven vs You Know You're Going To Heaven Because You Did Good Deeds And Saw God In Them.

How can that be true if the lamb was foreordained to be slain before the Foundation of the World?

[kloudie]

As a Christian you should follow the philosophy of Jesus and stop judging people. People are human beings and everyone has the right to be respected no matter their beliefs. What matters is your actions and how you treat others. There are plenty of Christians that claim the title, don't follow it and treat it as a get out of hell free card. You have the freedom of religion and the freedom of speech. But you don't have freedom to impose your beliefs on people or the consequences of people's reactions to your fairy tale. Peace.

[Seducio]

Depends really! There was actually a large movement of priests (and nuns!) who wanted to open literacy up to all sections of society. Latin was considered a necessary language for any noble worth their title to learn, so nobility could read the texts just fine typically. However your average peasant was unlikely to be able to read in Latin. If they could read, it would be in their own local language. But there was not much reason for many to learn to read since they weren't going to be writing letters to anyone and were unlikely to have the money for books, which back then were still a painstakingly long process of being made by hand.

Saying it was an established power move by the churches would feel like a neat and simple answer, but it'd be horribly inaccurate and paint about 1800 years of history with a single brush. The attitudes of the (catholic) Church towards mass literacy varied over time, indeed even in the Reformation the attitude of literacy was not always consistent. There was a decent subset of people who believed women learning to read was a sin, or who believed literacy should remain wholly confined to the landowning classes because 'the sheep need a rightly guided shepherd' (ie those who are not of the landowning classes are a bit dim/lesser and therefore do not need to learn to read so long as one of their 'betters' can read to them).

This seems like super European 'top down authority' vibes for an American like me. Americans have that can do 'self help' spirit that Europeans aren't always on board with. Europeans were trained to expect their elites to fix things. Americans were taught to do it themselves. Yes I know that's painting with a large brush. What you said makes sense to me.

The rise of the Middle Class power following victory in WW2 empowered a whole population of 'would be serfs' had they been living in Europe in a different era. More people are literate than ever. Folks appear to be very content to engage with 'divine texts' in a way that seems relatively new compared with how elites from millennia ago engaged with them when they were written. I wonder if the printing press had something to do with this.

[kloudie]

This is the dumbest fucking thread ever by the way. I almost think this guy is trolling us, it's just too dumb.

[fivehundredyearwinter]

How can that be true if the lamb was foreordained to be slain before the Foundation of the World?

You'll need to ask John Calvin that, unfortunately he's been dead since 1564. Unless he's secretly a vampire.

[kloudie]

“There’s a passage I got memorized. Ezekiel 25:17. “

“The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. “

“Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness, for he is truly his brother’s keeper and the finder of lost children and I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers and you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you!”

“Now… I been sayin’ that shit for years and if you ever heard it, that meant your ass. You’d be dead right now. I never gave much thought to what it meant, I just thought it was a cold-blooded thing to say to a motherfucker before I popped a cap in his ass, but I saw some shit this mornin’ made me think twice. “

“See, now I’m thinking: maybe it means you’re the evil man and I’m the righteous man and Mr. 9 mm here, he’s the shepherd protecting my righteous ass in the valley of darkness. “

“Or it could mean you’re the righteous man and I’m the shepherd and it’s the world that’s evil and selfish and I’d like that, but that shit ain’t the truth. The truth is you’re the weak and I’m the tyranny of evil men. But I’m tryin’, Ringo. I’m tryin’ real hard to be the shepherd.”

[Seducio]

Tarantino has some stellar dialog that's for sure. Mace Windu really knew his bible quotes.

[fivehundredyearwinter]

This seems like super European 'top down authority' vibes for an American like me. Americans have that can do 'self help' spirit that Europeans aren't always on board with. Europeans were trained to expect their elites to fix things. Americans were taught to do it themselves. Yes I know that's painting with a large brush. What you said makes sense to me.

The rise of the Middle Class power following victory in WW2 empowered a whole population of 'would be serfs' had they been living in Europe in a different era. More people are literate than ever. Folks appear to be very content to engage with 'divine texts' in a way that seems relatively new compared with how elites from millennia ago engaged with them when they were written. I wonder if the printing press had something to do with this.

See this is where things get weird, because the primary form of Christianity in the USA was born almost entirely from the Reformation and it's descendants and still had the 'top down authority' vibes you're talking about. You'll see in old census records that many reverends and respectable sorts were fairly wealthy landowners. In fact landowning was a requirement for voting rights initially, ensuring the continued 'top-down authority', at least until the Revolutionary War came. Then every state went its own way in deciding who could vote, there were multiple hiccups which even lead to New Jersey having to qualify that saying 'all persons' does not include women, black people, children, non-landowners, and/or those who don't pay taxes. (Religious restrictions also existed in a fair few states, Maryland finally allowed Jewish people to vote in 1828)

The vibes get stronger when it came to the institution of slavery, where the 'Curse of Ham' and the need to keep black people enslaved so they can remain Christian rather than fall back into paganism were used as justification by some more holy-minded slave owners.

In fact it wasn't even until the mid to late 1880s that we begin to see the 'American Self-Help' spirit actually form, as literacy continued exploding post-Civil War and there were huge shake ups on all sides of traditional power structures.

So in the end, things are quite messy.

[magnetaress]

People are human beings and everyone has the right to be respected no matter their beliefs.

What if their beliefs are that you should be abused, neglected, or inconvenienced for the sake of their own simple desires to do whatever they please?

They should be loved and have compassion, they should also not be permitted to abuse other people.

We live in a world sadly that is FULL of evil and it is OUR RESPONSABILITY to protect ourselves and other Christians from this type of evil and abuse.

No one here is arguing that satanists should be tortured. They should be cared for and or excommunicated.

[Seducio]

See this is where things get weird, because the primary form of Christianity in the USA was born almost entirely from the Reformation and it's descendants and still had the 'top down authority' vibes you're talking about. You'll see in old census records that many reverends and respectable sorts were fairly wealthy landowners. In fact landowning was a requirement for voting rights initially, ensuring the continued 'top-down authority', at least until the Revolutionary War came. Then every state went its own way in deciding who could vote, there were multiple hiccups which even lead to New Jersey having to qualify that saying 'all persons' does not include women, black people, children, non-landowners, and/or those who don't pay taxes. (Religious restrictions also existed in a fair few states, Maryland finally allowed Jewish people to vote in 1828)

The vibes get stronger when it came to the institution of slavery, where the 'Curse of Ham' and the need to keep black people enslaved so they can remain Christian rather than fall back into paganism were used as justification by some more holy-minded slave owners.

In fact it wasn't even until the mid to late 1880s that we begin to see the 'American Self-Help' spirit actually form, as literacy continued exploding post-Civil War and there were huge shake ups on all sides of traditional power structures.

So in the end, things are quite messy.

Fascinating history lesson. Thank you. The death of half a million American men during the Civil War probably took out quite a bit of that 'top down authority' energy the USA initially had. Subsequently so much discovery and invention occurred in the late 19th century and into the early 20th century due to regular people getting a crack at things for the first time. Humans became creatures of flight via Aviation from folks like the Wright Brothers tinkering away without a boss telling them not to.

Maybe we're all just getting started in the whole scheme of things. The best days of humanity may be in front of us.

[eqravenprince]

How do you deal with people athiests or satanists who don't want to understand you, disrespect you and your boundaries, and lack all integrity and trust worthiness?

First thing is fix the question you asked cause by singling out one group isn't right. As far as how to deal with people, start with love, kindness and be forgiving.

[aussenseiter]

As a Christian you should follow the philosophy of Jesus and stop judging people. People are human beings and everyone has the right to be respected no matter their beliefs. What matters is your actions and how you treat others. There are plenty of Christians that claim the title, don't follow it and treat it as a get out of hell free card. You have the freedom of religion and the freedom of speech. But you don't have freedom to impose your beliefs on people or the consequences of people's reactions to your fairy tale. Peace.

13. Now We consider another abundant source of the evils with which the Church is afflicted at present: indifferentism. This perverse opinion is spread on all sides by the fraud of the wicked who claim that it is possible to obtain the eternal salvation of the soul by the profession of any kind of religion, as long as morality is maintained. (https://www.papalencyclicals.net/greg16/g16mirar.htm)

[magnetaress]

I agree with aussenseiter, you are equally culpable for letting a *XYZ trigger warning bad person who does bad things to other ppl* go to go on doing the bad thing if you just turn a blind eye.

I know the church isn't stellar in this regard, butt like all hooman organizations they try and the bad action is bad and against the ten commandments. The U.S. government still has no success at this either and are even more oppressive in that they do not allow individual people to defend themselves through the necessary force that is required when a satanist comes into ur life and tries to forcibly remain there and hurt u and manipulate u away from G-d.

[Seducio]

I'm not sure I follow everything you just said OP.

My suggestion to anyone that has a person in their life that is bringing them down is to confront that person to de-escalate the drama and failing that to exit that person from your world. Life is too short to put up with someone that is causing you the distress it appears to be causing you. This could be hard if its family or a boss. If this person is your boss then it could require courage and still not might be worth it unless you have alternative work opportunities. But if the person is your friend or a neighbor you might be surprised that many would respond with grace to asking for some space.

If someone is trying to manipulate you away from your chosen beliefs and you don't like that then the simplest response is to not be around that person.

[kloudie]

magnetaress you aren't being oppressed. you are just dumb.

[kloudie]

What if their beliefs are that you should be abused, neglected, or inconvenienced for the sake of their own simple desires to do whatever they please?

They should be loved and have compassion, they should also not be permitted to abuse other people.

We live in a world sadly that is FULL of evil and it is OUR RESPONSABILITY to protect ourselves and other Christians from this type of evil and abuse.

No one here is arguing that satanists should be tortured. They should be cared for and or excommunicated.

Christians are supposed to turn the other cheek. You suck at your own religion.

[Elizondo]

alt accounts crawling out the woodwork to embarrass themselves in this thread

[Bukowski]

Thanks for sharing. I hadn't seen this piece. Sweet, short and punchy. Almost similar to a Pablo Naruda vibe poetic. Appreciate your reply.

Full poem is called "Like a Flower in the Rain"

You ever read any Julio Cortazar? (The Future) is pretty good by him.

Ive not been able to find much of his work translated unfortunately, just one book of poetry but it had some good ones.

[Seducio]

Full poem is called "Like a Flower in the Rain"

You ever read any Julio Cortazar? (The Future) is pretty good by him.

I'll check him out appreciate the suggestion. Also thanks for the name of the Bukowski work.

[Patriam1066]

Christians are supposed to turn the other cheek. You suck at your own religion.

Once Constantinople is retaken, sure

Until then pipe down pleb. The limes must be restored to their proper boundaries

[Patriam1066]

You guys should check out the national cathedral in DC. I had a boner for the US and Jesus at the same time, WOW!

[Seducio]

Once Constantinople is retaken, sure

You should probably do a crusade or something. Why hasn't anyone tried this yet.

[Patriam1066]

What do you think Iraq and Afghanistan were? Just keeping everyone nimble for the real operation

[Seducio]

Things that America regrets. Talk to your neighbors. Also those not in Texas.

[Patriam1066]

Don’t get too comfortable. We’ll be in Taiwan soon enough, doing God’s work for the cause of freedom. Amen

[Seducio]

Doubt it. Arizona will come online and our interests will change. But hey you could be right if we're slow to build and we are.

Taiwan is a long way from Istanbul though.

[Patriam1066]

You’ll have to look up “limes” to know why the physical borders of either have little to do with the metaphysical concept that both represent. We are Rome, we always will be

But ok, sure, I hope we do take back our chip superiority that was first established in Dallas Fort Worth by engineers at Texas Instruments who graduated primarily from the University of Texas at Austin

[Seducio]

Much more likely that Ukraine situation devolves and NATO has to enter. We're much closer to a weird accidental crappy Nuclear moment than we were during the Cuban Missile Crisis but you wouldn't know it by watching the news. All it takes is for Russia to get trigger happy and for us to go Ham. That is more likely than Taiwan currently. Still not a good situation though. WW3 breaks out world changes forever.

[Seducio]

You’ll have to look up “limes” to know why the physical borders of either have little to do with the metaphysical concept that both represent. We are Rome, we always will be

But ok, sure, I hope we do take back our chip superiority that was first established in Dallas Fort Worth by engineers at Texas Instruments who graduated primarily from the University of Texas at Austin

Some claim Rome is the closest thing to what we might be but it doesn't take into account the different stages of what Rome was., I actually don't think there is a comparable country/empire/replublic/democracy or whatever you want to call us. We're a new thing historically. Applying Rome logic to America will cause mistakes.

History doesn't repeat it rhymes.

[Patriam1066]

Taiwan is very likely because Xi is different than the last few patient leaders China has had. He cares less about building an economic juggernaut and more about ascendancy as it secures his throne. He cut his teeth in the age of Putin and Iran’s supreme leader. Belligerence has helped these guys stay in power. China’s economic rise only allowed previous heads of the communist party 10 years in leadership. We’re past that and in uncharted waters. It’s critical that deterrence is established now

I don’t think Intel and TSMC save us. I think the global south needs to be goaded to be more vocal in pushing back against Russia and China. As for the Russia stuff, I can’t imagine them using a nuke, but who knows. Like I said, uncharted waters

[Patriam1066]

Some claim Rome is the closest thing to what we might be but it doesn't take into account the different stages of what Rome was., I actually don't think there is a comparable country/empire/replublic/democracy or whatever you want to call us. We're a new thing historically. Applying Rome logic to America will cause mistakes.

History doesn't repeat it rhymes.

Read the storm before the storm by the dude who made the history of Rome podcast. It’s an interesting one and actually well written. It’s about the period between gaius marius and Julius Caesar, when the stage was being set for political instability and the establishment of the principate

[Seducio]

For sure I think there are many many lessons from Rome's past. We just aren't Rome though because the two parties don't map neatly onto Roman politics. Rome was full of slaves. Rome had incredible technology for its time, but its not in the same realm of hyper computing and aviation technology that we currently have.

I think America will survive the current polarization. There are points in our history where things were way worse. Ie Civil War. And other times. Things simmer down after heating up. Eventually the boomers will pass and we'll focus on other stuff. Probably AI stuff and Genetic engineering stuff. And some new part of the world where the media convinces us we have to go help out for some reason or another. But the ultimate reason will be to feed the the Military Industrial Complex.

[Seducio]

Taiwan is very likely because Xi is different than the last few patient leaders China has had. He cares less about building an economic juggernaut and more about ascendancy as it secures his throne. He cut his teeth in the age of Putin and Iran’s supreme leader. Belligerence has helped these guys stay in power. China’s economic rise only allowed previous heads of the communist party 10 years in leadership. We’re past that and in uncharted waters. It’s critical that deterrence is established now

I don’t think Intel and TSMC save us. I think the global south needs to be goaded to be more vocal in pushing back against Russia and China. As for the Russia stuff, I can’t imagine them using a nuke, but who knows. Like I said, uncharted waters

I get you. There are differences. Ukraine has all of NATO chilling right behind it.

If we got into it with China, it's the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and UK. No NATO in this fight. Europe won't help and in fact they will be upset with us because Europe would see steep cost of living expenses from that kind of conflict.

It's almost a lose-lose-lose for everyone involved. The winners of that kind of conflict are actually India and Brazil.

[Patriam1066]

Japan will help, probably the Philippines as well. Those matter for basing and resupply + Japan actually has a navy

But yeah, I agree we’d all lose. I just don’t think the people running Russia and China care about their nations as much as they care about their grip on power

/shrug

[Seducio]

/agree

[magnetaress]

I'm not sure I follow everything you just said OP.

My suggestion to anyone that has a person in their life that is bringing them down is to confront that person to de-escalate the drama and failing that to exit that person from your world. Life is too short to put up with someone that is causing you the distress it appears to be causing you. This could be hard if its family or a boss. If this person is your boss then it could require courage and still not might be worth it unless you have alternative work opportunities. But if the person is your friend or a neighbor you might be surprised that many would respond with grace to asking for some space.

If someone is trying to manipulate you away from your chosen beliefs and you don't like that then the simplest response is to not be around that person.

Done and done in the kindest most assertive and gentle way. No threats. No telling them they are bad etc. Since had zero consensual contact with the individual and been in contact with a detailed report to my therapist.
Christians are supposed to turn the other cheek. You suck at your own religion.
Did. Many times over. I'm leaving now to my brother's for safety.

This person likely never will understand how far backwards everyone in our family has bent over for them. Because they are full of pride and jealousy and shame they will very likely never have gratitude or even be able to fathom the sacrifice and forgiveness levied there way.

I expect once they have no more targets and figure out that they will be the sole occupant of this house illegally. When the police arrive. They'll be on there way.


Family and neighbors coming together on this.

Definitely we need to reopen the insane asylums in this country.

I suppose we could focus our prayers on person X being able to be honest and truthful and sensitive and becoming able to understand Jesus Christ and his message on a personal level without all of the extra uneeded suffering. And maybe to respect others and Jesus himself for starters.

[Seducio]

Sounds serious. Please stay safe. Buddy system is good idea for a little while even having a friend spend the night on the couch or if you stay at family's like it sounds like you are doing.

Good luck

[Seducio]

Stay strong.

[magnetaress]

alt accounts crawling out the woodwork to embarrass themselves in this thread
Just single handedly keeping the forums interesting.
Don’t get too comfortable. We’ll be in Taiwan soon enough, doing God’s work for the cause of freedom. Amen

Doubt it. Arizona will come online and our interests will change. But hey you could be right if we're slow to build and we are.

Taiwan is a long way from Istanbul though.
I agree.

We'll likely abandon Taiwan anyway. We don't need speedy chips to drop nukes. In fact speedy modern chips are so sensitive and fickle they're honestly a detriment to nuke dropping.

It's only really research and development that matters at this level and between us and Japan we have it licked. Google and pals doing QM and u.s. gove just needs to open up the market to some old patents to keep the kids in some shiny tablets to play Farmville or whatever Facebook games to keep the masses happy.

It's odd to me Bethesda chose to optimize to current gen hardware tho. They got a lot of faith in the hardware markets. Starfield is fucking beautiful tho!



Anyway toooo big to fail probably a few rich folks may lose money butt there's people waiting in the wings to ride their coat tails after the inflation dust settles.

The Chinese aren't good at state of the art or reliability just quantity. And scale.. sort of.. Maybe they got a leg up in QM. Unlikely anything other than impractical showroom pieces though. They'll never get to market.

We got Musk and the Aussie spacers on our side. So gg. There.

[Landroval]

Not much you can do, fren. Free will and all. The journey to the cross is a solo mission, in any regard, and if you tell them what they need to hear, they hate you for it. If you tell them what they want to hear, they love you for it.

On the other side, I wonder how many of us beg to come back, thinking we can rewrite history and save em all.

[Lune]

Not even atheists believe that the universe came from nothing, but the quantum fields and eternal inflation they postulate must have existed in order to produce such a universe are no less incredible.

But the real difficult problem that atheists and agnostics struggle to account for is something called the "fine-tuning of observability". Suppose there are an infinite number of universes produced in sequence- most of them dead- but a select few with the perfect fundamental constants exist somewhere, and those eventually beget life. By the anthropic principle it is unsurprising that we find ourselves in a universe that supports complex life, no matter how rare or unlikely the odds.

The problem is that the overwhelming majority of these life-supporting universes only barely do (with relatively high entropy), but we find ourselves in a much-better-than-typical universe in which it is even possible to discern that the universe had a beginning. See [1], [2], and [3]. Now, an intentional creator God would be interested in the universe being observable, so that his divine nature could be seen from the things that were made [4]. No natural explanation remains for why our universe is exceedingly low-entropy and highly-observable except that it was intentional.

[1]: https://arxiv.org/pdf/hep-th/0208013.pdf (Disturbing Implications of a Cosmological Constant), Dyson, Stanford University
[2]: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1606.08448.pdf (Relative Likelihood for Life as a Function of Cosmic Time), Loeb, Harvard University
[3]: https://arxiv.org/pdf/0704.0221.pdf (The Return of a Static Universe and the End of Cosmology), Krauss, Case Western Reserve University
[4]: Romans 1:20 (CSB): For his invisible attributes, that is, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen since the creation of the world, being understood through what he has made. As a result, people are without excuse.


The above outlines the background and reasonableness of theism but it does not say anything about Christianity being true compared to any other religion. The veracity of Christianity depends entirely on the truth of the physical resurrection of Jesus circa AD 33. The stories of the resurrection were not oral tradition passed down for generations before finally being recorded centuries later. Mark was written in the AD 60's- a fact not even disputed by secular biblical scholars.
The issue that agnostics and detractors struggle with here is this: There hasn't been any successful alternative theory as to how this group of defeated apostles radically changed and took their conviction to their grave even under persecution. There have been many attempts (stolen body, swoon theory, conspiracy theory, etc) but they do not hold up under scrutiny. Liars make terrible martyrs. (and even the concept of a resurrected messiah was utterly foreign to first-century Jews). [5]

[5]: A fun illustration: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23UNLLbOS3w

Ultimately, sure- some things may have been lost or altered in translation/transmission, and Jesus was probably not born on Dec 25. But these end up just being nit-picks- a distraction, and nothing more, and they're not significant enough to change the conclusions above.

So, how do I deal with athiests or satanists who don't want to understand / disrespect / etc? You just give the best evidence you can and that's good enough. Rejection is not something to be scared of- it's sometimes just part of the process[6]. If something is true, disbelieving it doesn't make it disappear. I cannot imagine standing before the throne of God with a defense of "I ignored everything, and so I didn't know."

[6]: See the entirety of Mark 5 for examples of this.

Having a position on creation of the universe is a position of belief in something for which we will never have evidence.

But yes this is the difference between hard and soft or strong and weak atheism iirc. Additionally, even ignoring cosmology, the Earth is fucking insane.

Strong magnetic field

AND

Perfect combination of elements and isotopes for DNA and life to exist

AND

Moon (which happens to be nearly the exact fucking same apparent size as the sun, which is a really weird coincidence) (We also still have no good theory for where the moon came from, which I feel should be an easy question)

AND

Jupiter bombarding us with ice comets to give us water in the early solar system, and then protecting us from planet-killing asteroids later on.

AND

Goldilocks zone for stellar lumonisity

AND

Intelligent life emerges a mere 250 million years before collapse of photosynthesis from increasing stellar lumonisity

Remove any one of these things and you likely preclude intelligent life and perhaps any life at all beyond extremophiles. Btw Catholics are way ahead on this. They have a stance on determinism which I don't feel make sense, but they still have a stance on it.

[Lune]

Japan will help, probably the Philippines as well. Those matter for basing and resupply + Japan actually has a navy

But yeah, I agree we’d all lose. I just don’t think the people running Russia and China care about their nations as much as they care about their grip on power

/shrug

A few months ago I would have said war between the US and China was inevitable because a new power ascending has almost never in recorded history not resulted in war involving the existing big boy(s), but then their economy took a shit so who knows. The next decade or so may truly be China's only chance before they age and die like Japan, while the US stays relatively young because of immigration and Christians.

[aussenseiter]

Intelligent life emerges a mere 250 million years before collapse of photosynthesis from increasing stellar lumonisity.

I am once again asking, what the hell are you taking about?

[Lune]

I am once again asking, what the hell are you taking about?

My number was wrong but,

The sun is slowly increasing the amount of radiation it puts out. In about 600 million years*, the increased temperature from all the additional energy will likely make C3 photosynthesis (trees etc) impossible, followed not too long after by all other types of photosynthesis. Compared to the age of the Earth, the reign of intelligent life is relatively short.

https://i.imgur.com/YPjf8qr.png

Btw this is also a paradox-- there is evidence of liquid oceans a long, long time ago. How were there liquid oceans when the sun was 70% of luminous? So there may be something wrong with either our understanding of stellar nucleosynthesis, or primordial conditions of Earth.

[aussenseiter]

My number was wrong but,

The sun is slowly increasing the amount of radiation it puts out. In about 600 million years*, the increased temperature from all the additional energy will likely make C3 photosynthesis (trees etc) impossible, followed not too long after by all other types of photosynthesis. Compared to the age of the Earth, the reign of intelligent life is relatively short.

https://i.imgur.com/YPjf8qr.png

Btw this is also a paradox-- there is evidence of liquid oceans a long, long time ago. How were there liquid oceans when the sun was 70% of luminous? So there may be something wrong with either our understanding of stellar nucleosynthesis, or primordial conditions of Earth.

Matthew 16:18 the science is wrong

[Seducio]

Aussenseiter when was the last time you changed your mind about anything that you can recall. What was it that made you rethink your old position and take on a new position. Give an example if possible.

[aussenseiter]

Aussenseiter when was the last time you changed your mind about anything that you can recall. What was it that made you rethink your old position and take on a new position. Give an example if possible.

Where have you been? Certainly not here.

I'm the most gullible of anyone here. 👍

[Seducio]

The reason I'm asking is that I am wondering timewise when the last time you had changed your mind on something and what the other person said or did that convinced you.

[magnetaress]

I changed my mind about climate change and fossil fuel usage. Mostly from watching erudite in depth opinion pieces on the matter and industry.

Now I know that fossil fuels aren't the devil and earth will get plenty hot without us. Right now it's just a matter of how fast and the poors which will be most adversly affected and have the least ability to cope.

So.

In short. I can't force ppl to live an agrarian lifestyle ("we" also probably can't) and not my problem.

[unsunghero]

Reiwa prolly one of the most likely to have a changed mind

[Landroval]

Reiwa prolly one of the most likely to have a changed mind

He hasn't changed his pattern on centrism, but it looks right-leaning to the layman.

I've actually become more centrist over the past few years.

We need a credible third party oriented around cleaning up societal decay though. The biggest issue facing the American public today is our turning a blind eye to the increasing decay of the lumpenproletariat. No one wants to touch it, because the optics are horrible, but it's not humane to continue to allow this demograph to expand and reside in addiction and squalor, and many of them are so far pickled that I hate to say it, but there's really no coming back from it.

The most positive thing to say about the generation coming into adulthood right now, is there seems to be a gravitation away from the hard-drug use which plagues the millennial and early zoomer.

As a note aside, our 17 year old asked permission if she could try weed last week. I had to tell her no, because her sister's in soph and freshman years would probably rapidly follow and push it too far, as is their won't judging by their obnoxiousness with the "we're all lesbians" phase, which gradually became "we're all bisexual", which gradually became, "actually, we're just accepting allies" thing whilst being virgins the entire time, so it's all irrelevant anyways.

Told her to focus on getting a part time job and establishing an income so she can have a car, in anticipation of college next year, and that I'm not saying no because she's not responsible enough, but because his sister's aren't, and they have a habit of following her lead and pushing it too far.

[Seducio]

Well you raised them right if you were asked if it's ok. Most seventeen year olds would just go and do whatever without asking just to fit in with friends.

Probably worthy of a discussion with whole family though. I think it's at 23 states now have adult legal mj for 18 and up. Not even medical. Even Biden Administration actually likely to change the thing to Schedule 3 soon which was unheard only couple years go.

Every kid in college gets exposed. As an adult I would put it on par with beer or alcohol but I get that not everyone feels that way. The more you talk about it the better.

Different times then we were kids. It's always been around, but it wasn't legal back in the day like it is now in some states.

[Origen]

I wonder if Landroval has made his children as virulently anti-Semitic as he is

[Trexller]

i started smoking/consuming weed at 17, and very quickly recognized the mental health benefits of responsible use, even tho i would often just get blazed AF

imagine who or what I'd be without the mellowing effects of marijuana

[Origen]

Ok: A self-absorbed blowhard who can pass a drug test

[Landroval]

You getting tired?

[Trexller]

Ok: A self-absorbed blowhard who can pass a drug test

why would i ever need to pass a drug test? I don't work in a warehouse

maybe if i wrecked a company vehicle they would drug test me if they felt like it, then I'd whip out the medical MJ card and be like na na na boo boo if you punish me for weed i can sue you.

[Origen]

If you work for a public utility, you are likely not protected in the event of an accident, weed or no, in the state of Pennsylvania.

[Trexller]

If you work for a public utility, you are likely not protected in the event of an accident, weed or no, in the state of Pennsylvania.

forget medical weed for a min, like half the state has decriminalized it, and major cities have legalized it within city limits.

so finding someone who doesn't test positive for weed is nigh impossible these days.

"medicinal marijuana" is technically prescribed by a "doctor" (it's all a bullshit ploy to enable people's access to weed under the guise of medicine, but since that avenue was the one they used, it gave the public a legal excuse to test positive for weed)

and there is no science that exists which can prove in-court whether or not you are "high" at the time of an accident

only that you have at some point within the last 30 days consumed THC

all you gotta do is be like, "I smoked weed last saturday, and here is my medical weed card"

so then the only recourse the employer has in PA is the "at-will-employment" agreement, which is the norm in PA. employers and employees can terminate employment at anytime with or without reason

so then if i got fired for wrecking a company vehicle, I'll point to hundreds of cases of employees who wrecked vehicles and kept their jobs, claiming some sort of discrimination my over-paid lawyer will come up with, then they'll settle out of court because it's not worth their trouble, give me a check and a non-disclosure agreement, and i'll never have to work again and the public will never hear about it.

happens literally all the time

[Trexller]

"medicinal marijuana" is hilarious to me.

if you go to a doctor and say, "I'm depressed, or I have anxiety, or I have back pain" the doctor is gonna prescribe a course of treatment specific to your ailment.

if you go to a "weed doctor", the answer to everything is weed. Depressed? Weed. Anxiety? Weed. Body Pains? Weed. Alzheimers? FUCKIN WEED LOL the memory loss disease can be treated by a drug that causes memory loss.

the weed doctors are like Oprah with the giveaway stuff

YOU GET WEED

AND YOU GET WEED

EVERBODY GETS WEED !!!

[Origen]

Of course the ignorant reactionary assumes he knows more about laws than lawyers, was else was I expecting?

[Trexller]

Of course the ignorant reactionary assumes he knows more about laws than lawyers, was else was I expecting?

im correct as far as ive described, which is a very simple example

i'd hire a lawyer if i faced such a case obviously, because im not a broke ass white boy from jah jah

[Seducio]

very quickly recognized the mental health benefits of responsible use

"medicinal marijuana" is hilarious to me.

I'm a little confused Trex. If it's beneficial for your mental health then it's probably having some kind of a positive medical benefit. Isn't mental health a good thing?

Pretty sure there are some confirmed cases of folks benefiting medically: Dravet's Syndrome (childhood epilepsy), Parkinson's disease, and appetite restoration for Chemo Therapy patients.

It's why the HHS recently recommended to switch MJ to Schedule 3, which means the Feds would finally recognize it's medicinal value. The DEA has never ignored an HHS recommendation and gone against it. If that occured here it'd be a first.

[unsunghero]

"medicinal marijuana" is hilarious to me.

if you go to a doctor and say, "I'm depressed, or I have anxiety, or I have back pain" the doctor is gonna prescribe a course of treatment specific to your ailment.

if you go to a "weed doctor", the answer to everything is weed. Depressed? Weed. Anxiety? Weed. Body Pains? Weed. Alzheimers? FUCKIN WEED LOL the memory loss disease can be treated by a drug that causes memory loss.

the weed doctors are like Oprah with the giveaway stuff

YOU GET WEED

AND YOU GET WEED

EVERBODY GETS WEED !!!

I've been a medical card holder for years now, but unlike CA, in AZ you never could get a medical script for THC for any mental health reason. It had to be stuff like for dealing with chronic pain, appetite assistance, etc

But like you said, they give you a list of covered reasons right away, and I specifically found a place that doesn't ask for any medical paperwork proof of illness. I told them I get blinding migraines (which is technically true, but I only get them like 1x/year)

The interesting thing though is that the doctor(s) did actually always lecture me a bit about other things I could than THC. Then some of them would give me shit for the amount of mg I would take in my edibles. They'd be like you know 10mg edibles is like 7 bong hits right???

And I'm sitting here thinking "I would be almost hallucinating with 7 bong hits, that can't be right. Plus some of the chicks at the weed shop tell me they do 100mg in a sitting..."

By the time the doctors started lecturing me about alternatives to THC I could try I felt like cutting them off with:

"Ok let's keep this simple. I'm paying you guys cash right now. And you're giving me a script. Let's cut out this foreplay"

;)

[unsunghero]

^
I've always considered paying the $150 bi-annual state fee for renewing my card like paying the drug cartel their tribute to not be hassled ;)

[Seducio]

It's really a rabbit hole into how we haven't truly figured out how the human body completely works yet. Fascinating for would be arm-chair biologists or folks that like science.

Each of us have an Endocannabinoid system that is involved in homeostasis, essentially the system that is responsible for keeping our body in balance.

So you actually produce THC-like chemicals within your body naturally even if you never smoked weed ever in your life. Anandamide is one of those cannabinoids that your body produces and means bliss in Sanskrit. That and a few other naturally occurring cannabinoids that circulate throughout your body to achieve homeostasis.

THC, CBD, and terpenes are the major components of the cannabis plant that when smoked or eaten produce the weed 'high' effect. THC and CBD are exogenous cannabinoids that bind to the receptor sites usually waiting for Anandamide and your natural cannabinoids. With THC you will get a 'high' effect and with CBD an 'anti-inflamatory' effect that doesn't give a high feeling. The two do modulate each other in terms of effect. Terpenes and flavonoids provide that smell that most associate with cannabis. THC and CBD are odorless.

Lastly there is something called the Entourage effect that has been hypothesized to account for the vary effect that different strains produce based on their cannabinoid profile.

What I'm getting at is weed science has been swimming along nicely in the research world for several years. In learning about weed, scientists discovered the Endocannabinoid system that we each have within us. Currently in medical school new doctors are just now beginning to learning about this, but any doctor over the age of 45 was not trained on this system.

[Trexller]

I've been a medical card holder for years now, but unlike CA, in AZ you never could get a medical script for THC for any mental health reason. It had to be stuff like for dealing with chronic pain, appetite assistance, etc

But like you said, they give you a list of covered reasons right away, and I specifically found a place that doesn't ask for any medical paperwork proof of illness. I told them I get blinding migraines (which is technically true, but I only get them like 1x/year)

The interesting thing though is that the doctor(s) did actually always lecture me a bit about other things I could than THC. Then some of them would give me shit for the amount of mg I would take in my edibles. They'd be like you know 10mg edibles is like 7 bong hits right???

And I'm sitting here thinking "I would be almost hallucinating with 7 bong hits, that can't be right. Plus some of the chicks at the weed shop tell me they do 100mg in a sitting..."

By the time the doctors started lecturing me about alternatives to THC I could try I felt like cutting them off with:

"Ok let's keep this simple. I'm paying you guys cash right now. And you're giving me a script. Let's cut out this foreplay"

;)

yeah it was all some bs ploy to increase public access to MJ. "bong hit" is not a unit of measurement.

there is no standardization of thc content in weed you smoke nor is there any regulation about the mg in your edibles. they will have a lab test a sample from a batch, never assuring consistency of the entire batch.

same goes for when you buy flower at a dispensary, "18" or 20%" thc on the weed label is about as reliable as chinese maple syrup.

not that i buy anything from a dispensary, they are alot more expensive than any street weed. shit that I buy is usually from an illegal online dealer. USPS ships right to my house w/ tracking #

been doing that over 3 years now.

check leafedout.org

if any cops wanna hassle me because i dont carry weed in the dispensary containers they'll receive my ID, my medical card then they can cite me for whatever that law is and fuck their mothers.

im also not stupid enough to regularly drive around with contraband, and people never suspect that im a pothead anyway, i don't have the look, the attitude, or the smell

[Origen]

The oncology people threatened to cut us off if she ever used weed. Either they never noticed or they did and said nothing, probably a hollow threat from the insurance company.

Weak-ass delta 8 here, too. Medical cards technically exist in Georgia, esp for cancer patients, but it's slow going.

[Seducio]

yeah it was all some bs ploy to increase public access to MJ

No, it was a political strategy that involved an end-run around an archaic Federal drug system where moving anything out of Schedule 1 is nearly impossible. Schedule 1 status was causing distress to medical patients that needed access to cannabis for medical purposes. You can find old youtube videos still of law enforcement officers arresting patients when they had days left to live.

Don't look at your own cannabis use at the reason MJ was made legal for medical reasons in some states. Actual real patients demanded it.

You happened to benefit from the success of their strategy.

Not a BS ploy at all. An impressively well conceived strategy that has slowly worked.

[Trexller]

No, it was a political strategy that involved an end-run around an archaic Federal drug system where moving anything out of Schedule 1 is nearly impossible. Schedule 1 status was causing distress to medical patients that needed access to cannabis for medical purposes. You can find old youtube videos still of law enforcement offers arresting patients when they had days left to live.

Don't look at your own cannabis use at the reason MJ was made legal for medical reasons in some states. Actual real patients demanded it.

You happened to benefit from the success of their strategy.

Not a BS ploy at all. An impressively well conceived strategy that has slowly worked.

if a regulated pharma company was the distributor, it would be legit. There is no reliable system of dosage at a dispensary, or from the doctor.

there is nothing stopping pharma from selling THC pills, in fact they do and those pills have exacting dosages with the same medicinal benefits.

but the fact you can legally purchase and consume marijuana flower, means that it's like you said, an end run to get around a stupid prohibition.

don't fool yourself into believing that this is some miracle treatment. it's just legal pot, and there is $billions to be made.

[Seducio]

Pharma companies are not a good model to follow.

This plant can grow in your backyard or your closet if it is legal to do so in your state.

Trex, go talk to a Chemo Patient. Go talk to a Parkison's patient. Go talk to the parent of Dravet's Syndrome kid. You know - replace the ideas you made up in your head - with actual facts from actual people.

Your lack of empathy for people with real diagnosed medical conditions is telling.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

This is a mathematical fallacy.

Not only that, but since we are talking about categories, it's not even the situation.

We start out with 1. Ourselves. There is no zero. Atheists say we can stick at 1 for sure. Theists say 2 is a better bet. Agnostics don't know if there's more than 1.

[Seducio]

Depends on the mathematical system.

In a base 2 system the first number is 0.

This is what computers use. 0s and 1s

[unsunghero]

i don't have the look, the attitude, or the smell

Yeah, same

I tell people "I like pot, I don't like most of pot culture"

[Trexller]

Pharma companies are not a good model to follow.

This plant can grow in your backyard or your closet if it is legal to do so in your state.

Trex, go talk to a Chemo Patient. Go talk to a Parkison's patient. Go talk to the parent of Dravet's Syndrome kid. You know - replace the ideas you made up in your head - with actual facts from actual people.

Your lack of empathy for people with real diagnosed medical conditions is telling.

ahh yeah the miracle of modern medicine

"Hey everybody, let's artificially prolong the life-span of the species' worst genetic products, thereby enabling them to find each other and produce even worse genetic products, and totally give the middle finger to the righteous filter of natural evolution"

Yeah, that's gonna be good for the species as a whole. I wonder if it will lead to epidemic levels of mental illness, overpopulation, genetic disorders and general social unrest.

nahh, it couldn't. We know better than nature does, our ~100 years of medical research absolutely knows what is best for the species, not ~millions of years of evolution.

There is no way we can fail.

[magnetaress]

MJ is fine imo for medical and psychiatric purposes.

It's terrible entertainment and should stay out of the public in vapor or smoke form cuz in some ppl instead of a high they get hallucinations and psychosis.

[Trexller]

There is no way we can fail.

Exactly as the Founding Father's envisioned.

https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/10/homeless-dc-tents-HPComp.jpg?quality=75&strip=all

[Seducio]

ahh yeah the miracle of modern medicine

"Hey everybody, let's artificially prolong the life-span of the species' worst genetic products, thereby enabling them to find each other and produce even worse genetic products, and totally give the middle finger to the righteous filter of natural evolution"

Yeah, that's gonna be good for the species as a whole. I wonder if it will lead to epidemic levels of mental illness, overpopulation, genetic disorders and general social unrest.

nahh, it couldn't. We know better than nature does, our ~100 years of medical research absolutely knows what is best for the species, not ~millions of years of evolution.

There is no way we can fail.

Hope you never need an Oncologist guy. If you do ever need one be sure to fill him in on what you have cooking in your tin foil hat.

[Trexller]

Hope you never need an Oncologist guy. If you do ever need one be sure to fill him in on what you have cooking in your tin foil hat.

Cannabidiol (CBD) is clinically proven to inhibit cancer cell growth

hey hey, hey hey, smoke weed every day, it keeps the oncologist away.

[Seducio]

Oncologists are there for Chemo Therapy guy.

[Trexller]

Oncologists are there for Chemo Therapy guy.

you just gave me an idea: Irradiated Weed!

you can get your chemo, and keep your appetite all in the same treatment.

still gotta wear a hat tho, unless you got a good face for baldness

[Seducio]

MJ is fine imo for medical and psychiatric purposes.

It's terrible entertainment and should stay out of the public in vapor or smoke form cuz in some ppl instead of a high they get hallucinations and psychosis.

Schizophrenics in particular should stay far away from MJ. Also anyone with Schizophrenia in their family that may be genetically predisposed should be wary.

[Patriam1066]

A few months ago I would have said war between the US and China was inevitable because a new power ascending has almost never in recorded history not resulted in war involving the existing big boy(s), but then their economy took a shit so who knows. The next decade or so may truly be China's only chance before they age and die like Japan, while the US stays relatively young because of immigration and Christians.

Nothing is inevitable, but Xi is a retard like an ayatollah or a Putin

China not rising makes them even more dangerous. They have millions of nationalistic morons who are willing cannon fodder to “take back” Taiwan, and if we don’t defend a free, modern democracy, everything we allegedly stand for is BS. Tail wagging the dog on both sides. If Xi just continued to modernize and give his people any level of freedom, they’d ascend to world #1 and not need to deliver Taiwan. But nationalism may be all the communist party can deliver

In any case, we will win because people like me will happily suicide bomb chinese rather than let midget satanic hellspawn triumph, but I imagine it will be a conflict like no other and any alternative would be preferable

I used to never think any of these jokers would be crazy enough to mess with 1700 f-35s, but crAckhead Russians will die by the millions to take back Ukraine, a shit hole that produces cam whores and sunflower oil. What will Chinese, even bigger morons, give to take Taiwan?

[Trexller]

the US isn't gonna defend taiwan. If china moves to take taiwan, a mass brain drain will occur. every single person with a tech based skill will be spirited away to the US.

everyone who works for TSMC will go work in their new fab facility in Arizona, and the facilities on taiwan will be destroyed.

the island has no strategic value as a barrier, it's too close to the mainland. it's value is as a defense installation and nobody in the world wants to invade china, so that makes it useless outside of political optics.

what will happen however, is a trade blockade. china will run out of all imported fuel and food in less than 1 month, which is a huge blow because they have over a billion people and cannot hope to feed them all with domestic resources.

1 carrier group in the malacca strait, and 1 carrier group south of japan. after that the US can rely on it's existing land installations in the pacific as both china and the US lob cruise missles at each other for say ~3 months for the optics and face saving, then they'll sign a treaty and go back to being frenemies.

china won't use nukes, they are forbidden from doing so by their own constitution outside of territorial defense.

Taiwan will fall, semiconductors will be reshored to the US, Japan and South Korea. Chinese people will experience famines and shortages, revolt and take down the CCP.

CCP knows this, so outside of political rhetoric, they recognize that the cost of taking taiwan isn't worth, but they sure love to talk about it.

for chinese economics, it's much more valuable having taiwan keep doing what it's doing. making stuff that the chinese can't steal or counterfeit.

considering that the chinese real estate market has crashed which was 30% of their GDP, and other sectors weakening as literally everyone (even chinese companies) are scrambling like mad to find other, safer places to manufacture their junk now that mexican, vietnamese, indian etc. labor is cheaper than chinese.

Xi has never given the wider world any indication that he's a madman hell bent on empire building. From the outside, all we see is a guy who wants to make china rich, and will stop at nothing from accomplishing that.

He's only got everything to lose if he moves on taiwan, of course there is the logic that because china is weakening, he has to get it done ASAP. Knowing that the US won't send troops to the island, he could calculate that the economic fallout is a price he's willing to pay for at least several decades, for a piece of territory that really kinda does belong to china.

it's the same logic Putin has about ukraine, which was russian territory for hundreds of years until western forces decided it should be an independent country.

personally, I don't care. I like war movies, and we need wars to keep making war movies :):D:)

[Lune]

Except the US is incapable of reliably evacuating more than a few people out of Taiwan before China locks it down til later in the war or forever. It's also cute you think South Korea wouldn't be immediately overrun and that any carriers within 800 mi of China wouldn't be immediately sunk.

Neither side would get the physical infrastructure, and China would get the human capital unless literally assassinated by the US.

[Trexller]

Except the US is incapable of reliably evacuating more than a few people out of Taiwan before China locks it down til later in the war or forever.

Neither side would get the physical infrastructure, and China would get the human capital unless literally assassinated by the US.

nah any major military operation has telltale signs that you can't hide

remember back in 2021 when russia was massing on ukraines border and in belarus, while claiming it's just running drills and manauvers? nobody bought that, so come invasian time even with it's outdated equipment and farmers with store bought rifles, they were able to stave off the offensive long enough for the west to realize russia had bitten off more than it can chew. and that the ukrainian people were tougher than we thought.

its like ~100 miles from mainland china to taiwan across open water, even if missles are flying and planes are bombing, there are still many many ways to get people out. definitely rest assured that the DIA knows which people it wants to bring to this side. they learned their lessons during operation paperclip when they were racing against the soviets to "capture" nazi scientits.

and if it goes tits up, just a single C-17 can launch 45 cruise missles from as far as Korea and take out every fab facility before the chinese can claim a beachhead, which will be very difficult to do because there are less than 12 places on taiwan where a beach landing is even thinkable, and less than 4 weeks per year where the tides won't smash landing craft on the rocky shores that compose most of taiwans coast.

taiwan has pretty much all the same modern military hardware that any NATO nation has, they will mine the shit out of their coast lines, and parachutes make radar light up like a christmas tree

invading taiwan is a super ridiculously tall order that doesn't make sense militarily or economically, it would be an exercise in CCP ego alone.

Xi has never given any indication that ego is enough. They'll rattle the saber all day long of course, they have to keep up the facade that they are a super power.

[aussenseiter]

Xi has never given any indication that ego is enough. They'll rattle the saber all day long of course, they have to keep up the facade that they are a super power.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China's_final_warning

[Trexller]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China's_final_warning

what about it? seriously

nothing except a major shift in western power and ideology makes owning taiwan an existential necessity

tactically speaking, it makes alot more sense for russia to secure it's southern flank in ukraine then it does for china to take taiwan and gain nothing except an ego stroke

[aussenseiter]

what about it? seriously

nothing except a major shift in western power and ideology makes owning taiwan an existential necessity

tactically speaking, it makes alot more sense for russia to secure it's southern flank in ukraine then it does for china to take taiwan and gain nothing except an ego stroke

It means Chy-na always talks tough but never follows through.

[Trexller]

It means Chy-na always talks tough but never follows through.

ah yeah

this Chyna does follow through, however.

https://www.the-sun.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2023/02/summerslam-wrestling-gov-ventura-ninth-792636274.jpg

[Lune]

Belief that you are infallible has never ended poorly for anybody. American military acquisitions are almost entirely determined by Congressmen who want jobs in their districts; they aren't even asking for more carriers but they are getting them and they're going to like it. The navy is asking for subs, and the other branches are asking for more numerous, cheaper, and cost-effective hardware.

It means Chy-na always talks tough but never follows through.

They followed through our assholes in Korea. Though tbf Americans just wanted to enjoy the 50's and not fight a horde of chinamen

[aussenseiter]

Belief that you are infallible has never ended poorly for anybody. American military acquisitions are almost entirely determined by Congressmen who want jobs in their districts; they aren't even asking for more carriers but they are getting them and they're going to like it. The navy is asking for subs, and the other branches are asking for more numerous, cheaper, and cost-effective hardware.



They followed through our assholes in Korea. Though tbf Americans just wanted to enjoy the 50's and not fight a horde of chinamen

Replacement carriers, not new. Nimitz class is being deprecated though it may still go into mothballs.

Navy subs is what's holding up AUKUS from being approved. Republicans want more funding for domestic subs before letting the Aussies have any.

[Trexller]

Belief that you are infallible has never ended poorly for anybody. American military acquisitions are almost entirely determined by Congressmen who want jobs in their districts; they aren't even asking for more carriers but they are getting them and they're going to like it. The navy is asking for subs, and the other branches are asking for more numerous, cheaper, and cost-effective hardware.



They followed through our assholes in Korea. Though tbf Americans just wanted to enjoy the 50's and not fight a horde of chinamen

you're right, but like if we stopped buying new stuff today, RAND has wargames that put the US vs. Earth and everytime its a draw or the US wins. that's without outside resources, no new stuff. We have entirely too many weapons, just 1 carrier group is a better military than like 180 other countries. and there are theoretically 11 carrier strike groups.

so take that gear, knowledge and will power and put it up against a fighter like china whos only advantage is numbers, and prevent them from sailing across the taiwan straight and prevent their airborne landings then all you have to worry about is missiles and bombs which we're pretty good at shooting down.

the US didn't have the wherewithal to apply the required force to the korean war, nor did they understand the conflict they were fighting, just like vietnam.

but then they fixed it diplomatically more or less, south korea is a strong military ally cranking out modern war machines that rival our own like they're toyota corollas off an assembly line, and vietnam became such a big business partner immediately after the war that the chinese felt betrayed and invaded in 1979 where they got their ass whooped

which brings us to chinese military experience, which is slim to none. Theres the korean war with zerg tactics and their '79 vietnam incursion with zerg tactics.

its not unreasonable to suspect that the chinese don't know how to fight with, or against, modern military hardware because they never, ever have even tried.

[Patriam1066]

Except the US is incapable of reliably evacuating more than a few people out of Taiwan before China locks it down til later in the war or forever. It's also cute you think South Korea wouldn't be immediately overrun and that any carriers within 800 mi of China wouldn't be immediately sunk.

Neither side would get the physical infrastructure, and China would get the human capital unless literally assassinated by the US.

We will fight them and we’ll win, but yes, it will be bloody and terrible

Hopefully someone within China realizes this and focuses on becoming more like Singapore and less like North Korea

I’m not optimistic. China has gone from being massive shit hole to rising power back to massive shit hole in my lifetime. I don’t believe people change very fast

[Patriam1066]

the US isn't gonna defend taiwan. If china moves to take taiwan, a mass brain drain will occur. every single person with a tech based skill will be spirited away to the US.

everyone who works for TSMC will go work in their new fab facility in Arizona, and the facilities on taiwan will be destroyed.

the island has no strategic value as a barrier, it's too close to the mainland. it's value is as a defense installation and nobody in the world wants to invade china, so that makes it useless outside of political optics.

what will happen however, is a trade blockade. china will run out of all imported fuel and food in less than 1 month, which is a huge blow because they have over a billion people and cannot hope to feed them all with domestic resources.

1 carrier group in the malacca strait, and 1 carrier group south of japan. after that the US can rely on it's existing land installations in the pacific as both china and the US lob cruise missles at each other for say ~3 months for the optics and face saving, then they'll sign a treaty and go back to being frenemies.

china won't use nukes, they are forbidden from doing so by their own constitution outside of territorial defense.

Taiwan will fall, semiconductors will be reshored to the US, Japan and South Korea. Chinese people will experience famines and shortages, revolt and take down the CCP.

CCP knows this, so outside of political rhetoric, they recognize that the cost of taking taiwan isn't worth, but they sure love to talk about it.

for chinese economics, it's much more valuable having taiwan keep doing what it's doing. making stuff that the chinese can't steal or counterfeit.

considering that the chinese real estate market has crashed which was 30% of their GDP, and other sectors weakening as literally everyone (even chinese companies) are scrambling like mad to find other, safer places to manufacture their junk now that mexican, vietnamese, indian etc. labor is cheaper than chinese.

Xi has never given the wider world any indication that he's a madman hell bent on empire building. From the outside, all we see is a guy who wants to make china rich, and will stop at nothing from accomplishing that.

He's only got everything to lose if he moves on taiwan, of course there is the logic that because china is weakening, he has to get it done ASAP. Knowing that the US won't send troops to the island, he could calculate that the economic fallout is a price he's willing to pay for at least several decades, for a piece of territory that really kinda does belong to china.

it's the same logic Putin has about ukraine, which was russian territory for hundreds of years until western forces decided it should be an independent country.

personally, I don't care. I like war movies, and we need wars to keep making war movies :):D:)

China doesn’t care about their people dying to famine. They’d just blame us and the midgets would fall in line and gleefully sign up to invade Taiwan and kill us and our allies

All of the things you pointed out make them more likely to invade, not less. You must remember you are dealing with people who thought communism was a good idea. Paranoia, nationalism, and a feeling you have nothing to lose are a dangerous combination

I say this mostly because I always thought (and hoped) Iran would get better once the octogenarian anti-imperialists who remembered 1953 died off, but nah, all of these autocrats just want to rule. They don’t give a fuck about anyone other than themselves. Ideology is just a facade, it’s about power. Xi has nothing but nationalism to maintain his power

I hope I’m wrong on all counts!

[Patriam1066]

On the plus side, conditions of total war would necessitate us addressing our public health crises, drugs and obesity. Once we ban both (reaper drones patrolling the skies looking for the fat or the stupefied) we’ll be better off as a nation

[Trexller]

the chinese people and the CCP are very different entities

like Mao said, power flows from the barrel of a gun

the chinese people don't have any guns

the CCP has billions of guns.

the chinese people don't give a shit about taiwan

taiwan is a matter of pride to the CCP, not the chinese people.

[Trexller]

too many tabs open

[arvidez]

"I'm not sure if it's good to have freedom or not. I'm really confused now. If you're too free, you're like the way Hong Kong is now. It's very chaotic. Taiwan is also chaotic," Chan, 55, told the Boao Forum for Asia – a regional conference modelled on the World Economic Forum in Davos – when pressed by fellow panel members to take a stance against rigorous control of the media on the mainland and to give his views on suffocating censorship in the growing Chinese film market.

"I'm gradually beginning to feel that we Chinese need to be controlled. If we're not being controlled, we'll just do what we want,". - jackie chan 2009

and here we are.

[Blingy]

A lot of behavior/actions comes from people understanding themselves and society as a whole. If somebody isn't allowed to learn how to control their own behavior/actions then society can expect them to act chaotically. This goes for not just behavior but for most everything regarding humans (and other sentient things in general).

[magnetaress]

Most of the world's unlisted and unregistered (with any government authority) biolabs are in NK and China. USA probably comes third.

Also maybe Friday night I get to go home! All seems to be working out well for all parties involved. Feels like G-d watching over everybody here!

[Landroval]

Feels like G-d watching over everybody here!

Amen, brother. Praying it's so.

[arvidez]

A lot of behavior/actions comes from people understanding themselves and society as a whole. If somebody isn't allowed to learn how to control their own behavior/actions then society can expect them to act chaotically. This goes for not just behavior but for most everything regarding humans (and other sentient things in general).

my best Cathy newman ..So what you are saying is handing your power to a greater cause is also handing over responsibilty?

someone "isn't allowed to learn how to control their own behaviors/actions" because they dont have to take responsibility"?

childishness is definitely part of his charm.

[Troxx]

Jesus would have been a communist

[arvidez]

Jesus would have been a communist

i woulda been a leper.

[Trexller]

Jesus would have been a communist

no, jesus would have been socialist.

he had a Star Trek Federation Replicator that spit out infinite bread, fish and wine.

Star Trek Federation is as socialist as anything ever conceived.

[Origen]

Jesus would have been a communistHe wouldn't have time, America has no qualms about vaporizing children

[Trexller]

He wouldn't have time, America has no qualms about vaporizing children

train your kids to stab soldiers with sharp bamboo, yeah we're gonna fuckin vaporize you

and we'll do it twice so you don't forget

those kids didn't suffer, believe me, we have ways of making you suffer.

we could make you live in a blue city.

[Troxx]

no, jesus would have been socialist.
.

No. He would have been (philosophically) an anarchist communist.

[arvidez]

jesus was planting the seeds that would create america. intrinsic value and the importance of a common goal above all men.

[Troxx]

Jesus would be a democrat in todays America.

[arvidez]

yeah, he was really political and liked to pick sides. not really

i imagine he would have a small group of half washed people around him. probably disliked by the worldly powers.

[Origen]

train your kids to stab soldiers with sharp bamboo, yeah we're gonna fuckin vaporize you

and we'll do it twice so you don't forget

those kids didn't suffer, believe me, we have ways of making you suffer.

we could make you live in a blue city.Sometimes I think this dude just... needs a friend

[Trexller]

Sometimes I think this dude just... needs a friend

I got friends, you'd probably get along with them fine.

your problem is you only know internet trexller

edit: We're still gonna vaporize your kids

with nukes. poorly designed nukes that only burn thru like 2% of fissionable material. like hiroshima. it makes for a super-dirty bomb.

yeah, this never gets mentioned very much but the hiroshima bomb today would be considered a "dirty bomb" because it was so inefficient and spread so much radiation

[Lune]

no, jesus would have been socialist.

he had a Star Trek Federation Replicator that spit out infinite bread, fish and wine.

Star Trek Federation is as socialist as anything ever conceived.

The Federation Charter literally says under paragraph 9 subsection C, heading: Governmental Structure

"Fully automated luxury gay space communism"

The next paragraph guarantees Will Riker's right to fuck any alien, of both, either or neither sex, anywhere, at any time. He smashes so much alien puss and dick that on any given day he's rocking 2-3 different xeno-venereal diseases, hence sore loins and the Riker Maneuver.

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[Trexller]

Jonathan Frakes had a bad back, it was painful for him to bend and sit down like most people do.

this is why he would always swing a leg over a chair.

it played well for the character

wouldnt change a thing.

[Duik]

What if their beliefs are that you should be abused, neglected, or inconvenienced for the sake of their own simple desires to do whatever they please?

They should be loved and have compassion, they should also not be permitted to abuse other people.

We live in a world sadly that is FULL of evil and it is OUR RESPONSABILITY to protect ourselves and other Christians from this type of evil and abuse.

No one here is arguing that satanists should be tortured. They should be cared for and or excommunicated.

Satanists, Agnostics, Athiests and Me dont go around spreading the word of satan or nogod.

Most gender nonspecific people just get the fuck on with their lives HOPING some crazy christian person doesnt try to "save" them.
Granted, some lgbtq etc folk DO like to spread their word vociferously but the same can be said about christian types.
Conversely, many christians DONT constantly spread and force their beliefs on others. As it should be.

In short WE DONT NEED OR WANT YOU TO SAVE US OR TELL US WE ARE GUNNA BURN IN A FIERY PIT OF HELL.
We just dont care what ya dumb fictional book says.

What we do want is for you to feel good that you will be saved. And that you feel fullfilled in the knowledge you know something we dont.

We are pleased that you do, we just dont care that you do.

[Trexller]

religion (when practiced in truth) does not seek to destroy the pillars of society

alphabet people believe that they need to burn down society, believing that they will rise from the ashes.

don't get confused.

[magnetaress]

G-d and Jesus aren't space commies per see they still want people to do for themselves. Prime directive sorta. Just they don't see good in starvation and torture. They won't feed space druggies they send them to rehab facilities. Or refugee camps. All of which have super strict rules and limits on lifestyle. Hence you get all those idiots riding out to the frontier and becoming maquee instead of signing up as infrantry during the dominion wars. It's a mess. Butt it's not really the Federations fault.

[Trexller]

I would 100% have joined the Maquis.

Lieutenant Michael Eddington sums it up the best: Nobody leaves paradise, to the federation it's unthinkable.

xy5jAixHhSA

[magnetaress]

I did have an epiphany today. As my natural birth sex G-d did give me all of the tools to be able to live a good life.

He also intended me to live this life full of desire to be the opossit sex and come to peace with that so that I could learn from it.

It is also blasphemy to reject G-ds creation and have disdain for it.

I'm glad I went through transition. Butt it wasn't at all a noble or good thing. And didn't bring me closer to G-d. Nor was it likely the best course of action for my life.

Is it a straight up sin? I would say really it depends on the individual and context. In most cases there are elements of sin in transitioning, pride, idolatry, jealousy, gluttony...

Is it unforgivable? No. A deadly sin? I don't think so.

I feel like anyone who becomes hyperfocused or obsessed with transition or not transition pro or anti, for or against in their lives and seek to dominate others to achieve their goals or desires? Well that is more sinful then actually transitioning or being gay or not just simply wanting nothing to do with gender studies or paying for hormones. Im pretty sure the Pope pretty much agrees..

So if you're every day suffering because trans ppl exist or not I urge you to go to church and pray to Jesus and the holy spirit. Not to get online and spend days or months googling horrors and throwing your life away with envy or fear or shame.

It's super important that you only pray to the holy trinity because you don't want demons answering your prayers and many demons masquerade as angels. It's also very important to ask for guidance in your prayers through the holy spirit. Especially if you're baptized.

Hope this helps anyone struggling with this.

[magnetaress]

I would 100% have joined the Maquis.

Lieutenant Michael Eddington sums it up the best: Nobody leaves paradise, to the federation it's unthinkable.

xy5jAixHhSA

I actually really loved that too and going back for the 3rd time I totally empathized with Eddington. He was a hero. Not an anti hero. An actual hero.

[magnetaress]

Eddingtons end is good


That scene makes him look like a bit of a brat. He's right tho about the Federation letting cardassians to the table and also the borg thing. He fully redeems any selfish desires for heriocs in the end.

I think they personally wanted people to misread Eddington and to struggle with that character. And sort of form their own opinions about him. So all intentional.

[Trexller]

Eddingtons end is good


That scene makes him look like a bit of a brat. He's right tho about the Federation letting cardassians to the table and also the borg thing. He fully redeems any selfish desires for heriocs in the end.

I think they personally wanted people to misread Eddington and to struggle with that character. And sort of form their own opinions about him. So all intentional.

imo its an allegory for the modern western world, it's completely unthinkable and abhorrent to the Federation that a group of people could choose to live without them.

anyone who doesn't wanna play the game with the big banks is considered an outsider, and therefore not allowed to exist.

just like Ruby Ridge, just like Waco, and to a degree, anyone like Trump.

[magnetaress]

So a nuance to the maquis (thx for correcting me).
... a nuance to them I feel a lot of ppl miss is that they are indeed "yahoos" and terrorists and not the "best the universe has to offer". Butt (however) they are totally on the right side of history.

[magnetaress]

imo its an allegory for the modern western world, it's completely unthinkable and abhorrent to the Federation that a group of people could choose to live without them.

anyone who doesn't wanna play the game with the big banks is considered an outsider, and therefore not allowed to exist.

just like Ruby Ridge, just like Waco, and to a degree, anyone like Trump.

Yep

[magnetaress]

They run off half cocked and muck it up quite a bit too. Butt still the good guys cuz the Feds will just innefectually naval gaze and not take any risks whatsoever.

[magnetaress]

Oh and just because they aren't "saints" or the best of the best or a part of the Federation or whatever. It's clear they aren't "bad ppl" tho it's clear that the Federation sees them as galactic trash not worth a second look. "In the way of progress".

In this way, both the Federation and Cardies under-estimate them badly on multiple occasions.

It was rly well done. One of treks high points. And much better than a lot of the modern stuff.

[Trexller]

They run off half cocked and muck it up quite a bit too. Butt still the good guys cuz the Feds will just innefectually naval gaze and not take any risks whatsoever.

with the Maquis being at war with the cardassians, they would have every right to hi-jack the replicators.

These weren't the ones where Picard orders Tea, Earl Gray, Hot.

These were industrial units capable of cranking out war ships and weapons. The Federation was basically giving the cardassians an unlimited supply of military hardware.

Section 31 had already known of the changelings, so their strategy was to arm the cardies for the inevitable war with the gamma quadrant, but being as good as any intelligence agency on earth, they were unable to predict that the cardies would align with the changelings.

You're right, history does exonerate both the maquis and eddington

[Trexller]

It was rly well done. One of treks high points. And much better than a lot of the modern stuff.

it's such a shame that no TV show in the past 10 years can even come close to a show like DS9

but now everyone is sick to death of girl-boss mary-sue in every form of visual media. it's just all so super CRINGE.

so maybe in a couple years we'll get back to well-written shows. I hope the hollywood writers strike never goes back to work, they aren't worth a fuckin free hot dog for the garbage they put out.

AI can do the job of 50 hollywood writers, with a handful of actually good writers filling in the gaps the AI missed.

the future of film does look bright, if those latte chugging tattoo ridden, pierced, pink haired deviants finally get the kick in the ass they deserve.

a kick to the unemployment line

There hasn't been a good TV show since breaking bad (better call saul is in this cat.)

Those candy ass writers on strike need to understand that they are no longer needed.

[magnetaress]

it's such a shame that no TV show in the past 10 years can even come close to a show like DS9

but now everyone is sick to death of girl-boss mary-sue in every form of visual media. it's just all so super CRINGE.

so maybe in a couple years we'll get back to well-written shows. I hope the hollywood writers strike never goes back to work, they aren't worth a fuckin free hot dog for the garbage they put out.

AI can do the job of 50 hollywood writers, with a handful of actually good writers filling in the gaps the AI missed.

the future of film does look bright, if those latte chugging tattoo ridden, pierced, pink haired deviants finally get the kick in the ass they deserve.

a kick to the unemployment line

There hasn't been a good TV show since breaking bad (better call saul is in this cat.)

Those candy ass writers on strike need to understand that they are no longer needed.

Yeah

[magnetaress]

with the Maquis being at war with the cardassians, they would have every right to hi-jack the replicators.

These weren't the ones where Picard orders Tea, Earl Gray, Hot.

These were industrial units capable of cranking out war ships and weapons. The Federation was basically giving the cardassians an unlimited supply of military hardware.

Section 31 had already known of the changelings, so their strategy was to arm the cardies for the inevitable war with the gamma quadrant, but being as good as any intelligence agency on earth, they were unable to predict that the cardies would align with the changelings.

You're right, history does exonerate both the maquis and eddington

Yeah I was imagining 3d printed ammo

[Lune]

with the Maquis being at war with the cardassians, they would have every right to hi-jack the replicators.

These weren't the ones where Picard orders Tea, Earl Gray, Hot.

These were industrial units capable of cranking out war ships and weapons. The Federation was basically giving the cardassians an unlimited supply of military hardware.

Section 31 had already known of the changelings, so their strategy was to arm the cardies for the inevitable war with the gamma quadrant, but being as good as any intelligence agency on earth, they were unable to predict that the cardies would align with the changelings.

You're right, history does exonerate both the maquis and eddington

I mean, Sisko did forge a data recorder to bring the Romulans into the war, look the other way after a murder, and then delete all his emails. Space Clinton. If Sisko is the Chaotic Good to Picard's Lawful Good, I could see a Chaotic Neutral Section 31 arming the Cardassian Union.


it's such a shame that no TV show in the past 10 years can even come close to a show like DS9

but now everyone is sick to death of girl-boss mary-sue in every form of visual media. it's just all so super CRINGE.

so maybe in a couple years we'll get back to well-written shows. I hope the hollywood writers strike never goes back to work, they aren't worth a fuckin free hot dog for the garbage they put out.

AI can do the job of 50 hollywood writers, with a handful of actually good writers filling in the gaps the AI missed.

the future of film does look bright, if those latte chugging tattoo ridden, pierced, pink haired deviants finally get the kick in the ass they deserve.

a kick to the unemployment line

There hasn't been a good TV show since breaking bad (better call saul is in this cat.)

Those candy ass writers on strike need to understand that they are no longer needed.

Let's be real probably over half of DS9 episodes are utter shit, and it takes years of scholarly monkly study to skip the right episodes to make it a GOAT series. It's very out of place but Gul Dukat transitioning into a Bajoran and fucking his way into their Vatican in order to release the demon in its catacomb is peak Star Trek

[magnetaress]

I mean, Sisko did forge a data recorder to bring the Romulans into the war, look the other way after a murder, and then delete all his emails. Space Clinton. If Sisko is the Chaotic Good to Picard's Lawful Good, I could see a Chaotic Neutral Section 31 arming the Cardassian Union.


Let's be real probably over half of DS9 episodes are utter shit, and it takes years of scholarly monkly study to skip the right episodes to make it a GOAT series. It's very out of place but Gul Dukat transitioning into a Bajoran and fucking his way into their Vatican in order to release the demon in its catacomb is peak Star Trek

I just nap thru those ones.

[magnetaress]

About the only ds9 episode that really annoys me is the one where gul dukat kidnaps kiera onto that other station where he's making babies of himself by impregnating the cultists.

It's not even that bad tho. Kiera just is way too fucking patient. I would have gone into the core. Blown the airlocks. Let everyone suffocate. Then radiod sisko for a ride once I had free run of the place. I mean. She WAS a terrorist and had intimate knowledge of how those stations worked and both of the cultists and dukat where idiots.

Her only reason not to was her ex mentor monk friend butt he was so far gone I think it would have been in character for her to just pull the plug.

Let the prophets sort it out.

[Lune]

G-d and Jesus aren't space commies per see they still want people to do for themselves. Prime directive sorta. Just they don't see good in starvation and torture. They won't feed space druggies they send them to rehab facilities. Or refugee camps. All of which have super strict rules and limits on lifestyle. Hence you get all those idiots riding out to the frontier and becoming maquee instead of signing up as infrantry during the dominion wars. It's a mess. Butt it's not really the Federations fault.

If you think about it, the Dominion War is a fucking disaster. Growing up I always wondered why people were so fucking gung ho about joining Starfleet, then I realized, within the show's universe, all those slobs on remote outposts were studying some Game of Thrones or Lord of the Rings shit going down on these primitive planets. No wonder Worf's brother couldn't resist inserting himself into that planet's religion. They didn't have time to flesh it out in a 44 minute episode, but he was clearly that planet's Gandalf. They joined up to go out into the frontier to study that shit and then got thrown into a meatgrinder.

Also makes the prime directive make an insane amount of sense on a personal level. You can imagine the temptation to join Starfleet so you can become a God. Probably what Jesus was now that I think about it... just another redshirt

[magnetaress]

They should have stayed true to their alliance with the klingons and road into cardassia on the first wave.


The klingons where just about warmed up to treating the Federation like an actual fully fledged house.

[Trexller]

I mean, Sisko did forge a data recorder to bring the Romulans into the war, look the other way after a murder, and then delete all his emails. Space Clinton. If Sisko is the Chaotic Good to Picard's Lawful Good, I could see a Chaotic Neutral Section 31 arming the Cardassian Union.

Kirk was a super-hero. Picard was a Statue. Sisko is a REAL MAN. He makes real-world decisions in a moral-gray area. Any help for DS9 is days/weeks away at max warp.

Sisko is a man pushed beyond the breaking point and he still somehow holds it all together, we forgive the minor transgression here and there because we fully understand what he is up against.

then Janeway is standing there going, "Well shit, how do I follow that?"

and all of star trek has episodes we wanna forget. anyone remember TNG: Code of Honor?

[Trexller]

They should have stayed true to their alliance with the klingons and road into cardassia on the first wave.


The klingons where just about warmed up to treating the Federation like an actual fully fledged house.

i thought it was stupid maybe lazy writing that Martok is a klingon hero in TNG and then he's a psycho madman in DS9. wayyy to convenient to make him a changeling

[magnetaress]

Yeah again. You aren't going to get much argument from me. After the whole changeling ark when they got him out of the prison camp, I rather liked him in the bit parts he did.

[magnetaress]

Gene originally didnt want to make a gritty real series at all tho. So that didn't happen until he was pretty much away from the set.

All treks have great value in them for the ppl they where made for, except maybe most of discovery (wasted potential the Michael Burnham / AU arc was pretty cool for a tid bit) !

I think America needs more moralistic western style propoganda in it's entertainment tho so I am with the Chinese on this one. (the oil company starts out the bad guy, turns out to be the good guys after all) Everyone good is christian even the wierdos and freaks etc etc.

[magnetaress]

He hasn't changed his pattern on centrism, but it looks right-leaning to the layman.

I've actually become more centrist over the past few years.

We need a credible third party oriented around cleaning up societal decay though. The biggest issue facing the American public today is our turning a blind eye to the increasing decay of the lumpenproletariat. No one wants to touch it, because the optics are horrible, but it's not humane to continue to allow this demograph to expand and reside in addiction and squalor, and many of them are so far pickled that I hate to say it, but there's really no coming back from it.

The most positive thing to say about the generation coming into adulthood right now, is there seems to be a gravitation away from the hard-drug use which plagues the millennial and early zoomer.

As a note aside, our 17 year old asked permission if she could try weed last week. I had to tell her no, because her sister's in soph and freshman years would probably rapidly follow and push it too far, as is their won't judging by their obnoxiousness with the "we're all lesbians" phase, which gradually became "we're all bisexual", which gradually became, "actually, we're just accepting allies" thing whilst being virgins the entire time, so it's all irrelevant anyways.

Told her to focus on getting a part time job and establishing an income so she can have a car, in anticipation of college next year, and that I'm not saying no because she's not responsible enough, but because his sister's aren't, and they have a habit of following her lead and pushing it too far.

I had to dig back deep to find this post but 100% :thumbs up:

[Vormotus]

How do you deal with athiests or satanists who don't want to understand you, disrespect you and your boundaries, and lack all integrity and trust worthiness?

Those are the best people to play with! Whats wrong with them? My best friend in the universe is the most staunch atheist whose only god is money, heck I even enjoy visiting him to play boardgames along his kids on weekends.

[Vormotus]

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One of my fave movies ever.

I will sound cliche, but they dont make movies like these anymore.

[magnetaress]

As a general rule a lot of ppl are cool butt some are very bad.

Things that are red flags to me:

Atheism (a path towards Nihilism, indifferentism).
Satanism (they worship domination over others aka the the literal rape of G-d's creation and self destruction, solely for the sake of power, control, and pleasure, OVER OTHERS)
Drug use
Over reliance on Cynicism
Negativity
Obsessive Compulsive behaviors
Lies and Deception.

You can wrap most of that up in Satanic behavior, however, most Athiests don't lean that far. Same with a lot of pagans, who are being decieved by evil spirits. Butt aren't necessarily really disordered or evil folks themselves (YET).

Note, I am also not saying to NEVER EVER associate with any of these ppl, though from a G-dly point of view it can be harmful to the FLOCK that is why priests and the bible says to keep to other Christians. You are not G-d and don't need to have the 'Hubris' to save ppl and live Jesuses life exactly as he did getting crucified by your belief, G-d does not expect that of all of us as near as I can tell (an expert can chime in).

A lot of really defensive ppl chirping up in here. I was in my ORIGINAL POST talking about individual ppl not athiests or even satanists as a whole! (though I am quite prejudicial about satan because he is a really bad DEVIL who enjoys tormenting hoomans, why would anyone sane or rational or loving subject themselves or their loved ones to that?)

Anyways thats my 2cp again. Please don't be super offended. The person in question has been given G-d's grace to go find their peace on earth and lil slice of heaven.

It isn't a good thing to live a disordered chaotic life full of harm, be it self or otherwise. That isn't good for the individual organism nor the greater organism on the whole (ecosystem, ECONOMY if you want to take it into secular humanism and atheism). This is a point both Christianity and Athiests could agree and synchronize on if we could have mutual respect for each other !

[magnetaress]

LbcI39ujHYE

Devils and demons masquerade as angels (and G-d's and deities) and he's right (the writer) about the fear of death part.

People fail to realize that We are ALREADY a part of G-d's creation our very existence is G-d's love. When we die and cease to exist we don't need to fear what happens in G-d's creation.

[arvidez]

i feel the same..it is as grave a sin as trt, wearing makeup, pursuing wealth or any other vain endeavor..

[Vormotus]

Satan as a concept is super cool though so score 1 for Christians

And also score 1 for Mark Twain

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Out of this particular clip I got the more amazing shorts out of tiktok/insta ever



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[magnetaress]

Satan as a concept is super cool though so score 1 for Christians

And also score 1 for Mark Twain

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Out of this particular clip I got the more amazing shorts out of tiktok/insta ever



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Let me tell you, as a young male that fallen angel video sadly would have gotten a strong emotional reaction from me. Thanks to G-d I no longer feel anything but pity for those who would be deceived to think of an AI creation like that as "Good" in any way. Or to be tempted by their desires. I don't even really fear it that much. It definitely is full of creep factor butt not enough to go on a crusade, thanks to G-d I can safely mostly ignore it and know that he is watching over me. Even doesn't matter how much affect my thumbs down really has. I do think it's cruel to subject young children to stuff like that. There's a smol part of me that is tempted to be just like that and devour the universe. Still, with G-d's grace may I not live in torment as such. I may be too indifferent tho, so if the Church made such videos illegal, I feel like I would very much like to be OK with that.

I finally got around to watching these (access to real internet after my sabbatical) --- boi** what a great time to be alive and an Amish kid before Rumspringa. I think the Mark Twain one is pretty cool tho ! I don't know why it is different then the fallen angel one really, they both can lead someone towards the temptation of being all powerful like that or filling their heart like that with the void and wishing to control creation and disdain for humanity. (which I struggle with deeply).

[magnetaress]

i feel the same..it is as grave a sin as trt, wearing makeup, pursuing wealth or any other vain endeavor..

Lilith. Wonder if that word is even the origin of Lies, Could be !

[magnetaress]

So the thing I personally want to be prideful :o about is that this thread went deep places and it wasn't even all about me or my situation. G-d bless u all. Even tho, I still was challenged in my beliefs to learn and grow.

[magnetaress]

Just remember only Satan wants to literally torment believers in Lilith (because they don't believe in him)

G-d loves them and wants them to stop going astray ! ( to the best of their abilities ) And he is willing to help while respecting ppls freedom and humanity as a part of his creation ! With love and compassion !

Hope this gets thru to someone, I'm not even accusing anyone here directly of this, I couldn't name names right now. Mean things have been said in ignorance by me is all I know. And remembre.

[Landroval]

. Mean things have been said in ignorance by me is all I know. And remembre.

I feel you on that one, as we can all the same of ourselves. The accuser likes to hold those instances over your head, so it's good to dispel them every once in awhile.

[Vormotus]

Pretty sure the Gnostics created that and the other Christians killed them for it.

Also most modern Chistians understand of the bible as a version is closer to Milton's Paradise Lost as compared to what the original writers said in the gospels written in aramaic.

This is more or less what happened.

Todays Christianity has more ties with Gnosticism than it cares to acknowledge.

Even the Christian Satan is more like the demiurge, there was a very good take on it on several courses I took a long time ago, main reason I enjoy Panos Kosmatos movies, he really knows how to tap into Gnostic Beliefs

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[Botten]

‘Soldiers of Christ’ arrested for the abuse and murder of ‘malnourished’ (https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/15/us/soldiers-of-christ-south-korean-woman-murder/index.html)

If the human brain is a computer Christianity is a coded virus.

[aussenseiter]

Todays Christianity has more ties with Gnosticism than it cares to acknowledge.

I think I will pick up sticks today.

[Vormotus]

Very last bit of advice would be if OP is actually serious which I honestly can't tell for this one.

Go speak to your trusted advisor in whatever faith you prescribe.

If you don't have a priest/rabbi/something like that then talk to the person who shares your beliefs that you most admire and is good an communicating with you.

Someone you would listen to.

If all that is something you have no interest in then try this: When was the last time you laughed? Go watch a killer standup comedy and laugh your brains out. Works wonders.

This is sound advice indeed,as the world grows (thankfully) more secular, we will see a hardening of the old cadre trying to justify their existence into a world that is more and more alien to them.

One of the takes for the future I gave a passing nod , was the one spoused in the chinese sci fi novel Three Body Problem, that will soon have its own series, about how in the future, we will see a culture so distant from what is the norm now that they have to literally keep people from the past frozen to deal with certain problems that futuristic societies wont know how to deal with.

There was even a very old Twilight Zone (1980s version) chapter that more or less also proposed that certain societies in the future will need due to a variety of reasons, people from ages past as their uniquely skewed view of reality is needed to solve certain problems in post-scarcity worlds.

I believe we are on that particular point in time where as humanity we need better values than the ones spoused by old religions and previous to post-postmodernist philosophies.

Any philosophy that is not rooted in the new soon to be normal of the Post-Postmodernism mindset is simply too old to deal with the rapid advances in technology and growing luddite behavior of some reactionary groups that with the lack of better alternatives fall back into old tropes of thought no longer relevant.


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And a small simple take on Post-Postmodernism> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-postmodernism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-postmodernism)

[Landroval]

I think I will pick up sticks today.

Pick up sticks and jacks favors the able bodied, dextrous, and nimble. I don't know if today's kids could commit to such a laboursome game without a living wage of sticker books: not coloring books, and mini memo pads, with animal-shaped erasers, as a sort of reward system for their participation.

[Vormotus]

Watch supernatural, it's heretical, butt there's a complex personality for u

Jealousy of G-d and his Creation(s) is satans MO

he hates humans because G-d loves them and looks after them and gives us a chance at redemption where as Satan thinks we should all be destroyed because we are beyond redemption and imperfect (like "he is perfect").


To be honest, The Adversary is in short a Servant of the Creator that is tasked to incentivize the natural evil inclination native and 100% natural to man, he hates us as much as 0, and in very old hebrew texts he even loathes the job.

The Satan you describe is a modern retelling of the Milton one (which in turn is a further reconstruction of the dark ages adversary, which in turn was a corruption of the Demiruge/Yaldabaoth of the mediterranean gnostics during the 1st Century CE), that has NOTHING whatsoever to do with the original idea of the "Enemy" and so abused by Hollywood to be able to give a modicum of backstory to their horror blockbuster films.

This whole notion of demiplanes filled to the brim with demons is also more asian than european, as on this side we actually had quite entertaining and fully flawed gods, godlings and fickle entities.

Christianity on the whole, specially the USA versions that spawned there, are quite frankly literal fanfiction converted into canon (not leaving catholicism behind, which has a metric truckload of bad takes, made to convenience exegesis and a lot of very much human, and not demonic, corruption, greed and need to control behind it).

It is better to be an optmistic nihilist than a fervent believer in a demon spawned hellscape on earth, but again, thats is my own take.

It is honestly entertaining though, and I wish you peace and happiness. Also the internet is not a very good place to discuss these beliefs, as you will find as many adherents as detractors. Not very healthy either.

It is my sincere wish you find peace, both here and in the afterlife you believe in, life is too short to get lost in minutiae of dogma and spend it cloistered behind mental prison bars where only other inmates of the same prison can come visit in.

Be well man, super hug to you.

Again, this is more or less my take, it would be terrible to live in a world where man made demons, like Vancian ones from Dying Earth have rule or sway over creation, but hey, everyone is free to believe in their own backstory of choice.

I fully respect everyones opinion on the issue.

[Landroval]

To be honest, The Adversary is in short a Servant of the Creator that is tasked to incentivize the natural evil inclination native and 100% natural to man, he hates us as much as 0, and in very old hebrew texts he even loathes the job.

The Satan you describe is a modern retelling of the Milton one (which in turn is a further reconstruction of the dark ages adversary, which in turn was a corruption of the Demiruge/Yaldabaoth of the mediterranean gnostics during the 1st Century CE), that has NOTHING whatsoever to do with the original idea of the "Enemy" and so abused by Hollywood to be able to give a modicum of backstory to their horror blockbuster films.

This whole notion of demiplanes filled to the brim with demons is also more asian than european, as on this side we actually had quite entertaining and fully flawed gods, godlings and fickle entities.

Christianity on the whole, specially the USA versions that spawned there, are quite frankly literal fanfiction converted into canon (not leaving catholicism behind, which has a metric truckload of bad takes, made to convenience exegesis and a lot of very much human, and not demonic, corruption, greed and need to control behind it).

It is better to be an optmistic nihilist than a fervent believer in a demon spawned hellscape on earth, but again, thats is my own take.

It is honestly entertaining though, and I wish you peace and happiness. Also the internet is not a very good place to discuss these beliefs, as you will find as many adherents as detractors. Not very healthy either.

It is my sincere wish you find peace, both here and in the afterlife you believe in, life is too short to get lost in minutiae of dogma and spend it cloistered behind mental prison bars where only other inmates of the same prison can come visit in.

Be well man, super hug to you.

Again, this is more or less my take, it would be terrible to live in a world where man made demons, like Vancian ones from Dying Earth have rule or sway over creation, but hey, everyone is free to believe in their own backstory of choice.

I fully respect everyones opinion on the issue.

Speaking of the middle age, have you ever read Nicholas of Cusa? There's quite a few errors and oversights in your synopsis. Ultimately, the mythological structure of Christianity is an evolution of Platonism, Pythagoreanism, Buddhism, Hinduism, and Judaism, with a little Hellenism mixed in.

But it goes something like this; in Plato's Theory of Forms, there exists a realm of perfection above this lesser planet of existence where pure and perfected concepts exist in relation to each other as "Forms".

Coming to understand the nature of these Ideals (Forms) can be approached through dialectical reasoning; dialectics of the Grecian sort, not the modern repivot of Hegel et al, mind you.

So we can take a conceptual form like "Pride" and attempt to discern exactly what pride is by assessing how pride is personified or exemplified, and how these exemplifications are projected outward onto others.

Pride is personified in Arrogance and Ignorance. Arrogance is a hautiness or sense of betterness than others, and ignorance is a characteristic which belies a lack of understanding in some arena or another.

We can see Pride is others, but what are the signifiers that point us towards it's identification in those possessing pride?

The mind is a sort of inverse mirror, so we don't actually see a person's arrogance or ignorance directly, in most situations, but we can quickly ascertain a person who is prideful as being prideful so there must be actions or tells the prideful person reveals to us through other venues which tips us off....

The ignorance of pride tips itself off by boasting of its knowledge, which it Lords over others, so if we position pride as central to an axiom, at the Origin, with arrogance and ignorance as neighbors on a pundit square to it's left, then on the square diagonal from Ignorance, Knowledge resides as its inverse or Syzygial opposite

Likewise, if arrogance is a sense of betterness or "strongerness", it's syzygial opposite is weakness, which is cast out by the arrogantly prideful person, onto others, so we identify a person imbibing "Pride" by their Lording of knowledge over others, and their attempts to properly themselves above others who they eschew as Weaker than them.

Arrogance---------\|/--------Knowledge
---------------------Pride-------------------
Ignorance---------/|\---------Weakness

In Pythagoreanism, this construct representing pride is a pyramidal structure with four bases and Pride at the apex of the tetrad.

The same extrapolation can be applied to Shame, in that shame is personified or exemplified as Ignorance and Failure (Sin, missing the mark) and projected as Weakness and Humiliation which the ashamed attempts to ignore.

Ignorance---------\|/---------Weakness
--------------------Shame------------------
Sin(failure)--------/|\--------Humiliation


So the Tetrad of Shame shares to bases with Pride making it only a half-opposite, and modern psychologists would agree that Pride is merely subconsciously repressed Shame, both of which are aspects of Jungian ego.

Proverbs 11:2 states with pride comes disgrace (shame), but with the humble comes Wisdom, thereby showing this relation was already known in wisdom texts of the ancient past.

Humility as a Form can be mapped with the following Pythagorean tetrad:

Strength-----------\|/-------Awareness
-------------------Humility----------------
Humiliation-------/|\----------Patience


And wisdom with the following Tetrad:

Knowledge-------\|/----------Success
-------------------Wisdom---------------
Strength-----------/|\-------Awareness


And these four Tetrads form the base of a higher tetrad; one of the Prime Tetrads in philosophy; Truth

Pride--------------\|/------Wisdom
Weakness-----Truth-------Strength
Shame------------/|\-------Humility

But if we rotate the prime tetrad of Truth 90 degrees to see how Wisdom and Pride relate, or how Shame and Humility relate, we see an interesting relation;

Ignorance-------\|/----------Arrrogance
-------------------Pride---------------
Courage---------/|\-------Knowledge
Courage---------\|/-------Knowledge
------------------Wisdom----------------
Awareness-------/|\---------Strength

The differential between Weakness and Strength amalgamizes into Courage, for prideful and foolhardy courage is a weakness, where as wise and valorous courage is Strength.

Likewise between humility and shame, the amalgamation of strength and weakness becomes Vulnerability, as weakness earnestly sought to the point of failure builds strength through experience.

This means that philosophical Truth and Experience are very closely related, with Experience existing at center on the pyramidal tetrad that lines up with the tetrad of Truth, sharing four bases with Truth, like an octahedron

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[Landroval]

Now, with this relation established, and reflected in Jungian psychology as follows:

Conscious-Ego------\|/—-Conscious-Self
-----------------Archetypal-Mind---------------
Subconscious-Ego-/|\-Subconscious-Self

Conscious-Ego------\|/—-Conscious-Self
-----------------Shadow-Mind---------------
Subconscious-Ego-/|\-Subconscious-Self



Now, to relate this back to Christianity and the concept of "The Devil.

If you draw a line connected Pride to Weakness, and a line from Weakness to Shame, this forms an Angle, which is anthropomorphized into an "Angel" and we call that Angel Satan or Lucifer, as elements of Truth and Experience which LACK truth and deny experience.

Likewise if we connect Humility Strength and Wisdom we form an Angle which we call the Angel Michael, as possessing Truth and acknowledging the veracity of Experience.

These Angels as aspects or angles of the totality of the Godhead and form the fundamental basis for Mind (Psyche, or Soul) and are reflected in physics and mathematics as well.


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----------------- (Nous) ----------------
--------------(knowledge)----------------
Pride--------------▼------------Wisdom
Weakness-----Truth----------Strength
Shame------------▲------------Humility
Luciferian<---(Christ)--->MiChaElian
--------------- (Ennoia) -----------------

------------------------- (Photon) ----------------
Electromagnetism -----▼--------------- Heat
(Electron) ------------ Energy ----- (Phonon)
Gravity --------------------▲------------ Sound
------------------------ (Graviton) ----------------

-------------------(cos*sin)-----------------
Cosine--------------▼---------Cosecant
Cotangent--Trigonometry----Tangent
Sin-------------------▲------------Secant
-------------------(sin*cos)-----------------


This recurring pattern is what the Greek forerunners of Christianity referred to as "The Logos" of the universe, which Christianity purports to have been incarnated into this lesser realm in the personhood of Jesus of Nazareth.

[Landroval]

This is also where the Ethos behind John 14:6 comes from when Jesus declares he is The Way (The entire Dao; good and bad) The Truth (the Omphalos of Platonic Idealism) and the Life (The Prahna) is derived. Reality being the thoughtforms of God-Mind.

[Trexller]

that isn't math, nor coherent in any discipline

put the LSD DOWN

[arvidez]

Lilith. Wonder if that word is even the origin of Lies, Could be !

ive believed lilith to be untamable nature. in one story she flies into the air, and another has her fleeing to "the gorge of the sea". both unreachable by man.

have never considered her active. i have to obsess now. thx

[Trexller]

Lilith is Athena, and she hated it here so she GTFO

so then we were stick with Walmart Melania (Eve) whos woman brain couldn't comprehend the rules of nature (gender roles)

[Landroval]

The reason why pride and shame, which lack truth, are included in the axiom of Truth, is because truth is what resides "in between" pride and humility. False pride belies Humility, and False Humility IS pride. In basic algebra we learn every sum has at least two sets of square-roots, the positive square-roots, and the negative-square roots.

I.e. 4 = 2^2, and (-2)^2

In Trugonometry, we learn the Trigonometric identity property;

1(^2) = sin^2(x) + cos^2(x)


>Special Relativity
E^2 = (mc^2)^2 + (c√p)^2
E^2 = (m*c/g)^2 + (√(pc/g))^2
E^2 = (m/g^2)^2 + (g√p)^2

>Let E=C; Let mc^2 = A; let c√p = B

>Pythagorean Theorem
C^2 = A^2 + B^2

>Let C = 1, Let A = cos(x), Let B = sin(x)

>Trigonometric Identity Property
1^2 = sin^2(x) + cos^2(x)
1^2 = 1/sec^2(x) + 1/csc^2(x)
1^2 = sin(x)/csc(x) + cos(x)/sec(x)

>Let 1= Truth; Let sin(x) = Pride; csc(x) = Humility; Let cos(x) = Shame; sec(x) = Wisdom
>Truth^2 = Pride/Humility + Shame/Wisdom
Pride^2 = Arrogance/Weakness + Ignorance/Knowledge
Shame^2 = Ignorance/Humiliation + Weakness/Failure
Humility^2 = Strength/Patience + Humiliation/Awareness
Wisdom^2 = Awareness/Knowledge + Strength/Success

[Landroval]

Proofs:

The shame of wisdom and the pride of humility is Truth
>Check
The wisdom of shame and the humility of pride is Truth
>Check
The arrogance of weakness and the ignorance of knowledge is Pride
>Check
The weakness of arrogance and the knowledge of the ignorant is Pride
>Check
The failure of weakness and the ignorance of humiliation is shame
>Check
The weakness of failure and the humiliation of ignorance is shame
>Check
The strength of patience and the humiliation of awareness is humility
>Check
The patience of strength and the awareness of humiliation is Humility
>Check
The strength of success and the knowledge of awareness is wisdom
>Check
The success of strength and the awareness of knowledge is wisdom
>Check

>Sohcahtoa adjacent test:

Wisdom without humility is pride
>Check
Wisdom without pride is Humility
>Check
Humility without wisdom is shame
>Check
Humility without shame is wisdom
>Check
Shame without humility is pride
>Check
Shame without pride is Humility
>Check
Pride without wisdom is shame
>Check
Pride without shame is wisdom
>Check

>Double angles
Wisdom and Shame without humility is pride
>Check
Pride and humility without shame is wisdom
>Check
Wisdom and shame without pride is Humility
>Check
Pride and humility without wisdom is shame
>Check

[arvidez]

Lilith is Athena, and she hated it here so she GTFO

so then we were stick with Walmart Melania (Eve) whos woman brain couldn't comprehend the rules of nature (gender roles)

^

that isn't math, nor coherent in any discipline

put the LSD DOWN

[Landroval]

In Plato's view, the uppermost tetrad is The Good, which is prbitted by Truth and Freedom, opposite Lies and Control.

Understably, for those who would wish to bury this information, Plato's metaphysics are strawmanned, and disingenuously summarized in nonsensicality, so that modern instructors in philosophy can quickly pass the concepts over to the rantings of retards like Hume, Kant, and the postmodern philosophers du jour promulgating secular nihilism in its stead, lest anyone discern the nature of Christianity at it's core.

Seriously, listen to modern philosophers stumble into incoherent babbling when it comes to their attempts to encapsulate Plato's Theory of Forms: it's laughable, even when in possession of a PhD or Doctorate in Philosophy.

[magnetaress]

This is sound advice indeed,as the world grows (thankfully) more secular, we will see a hardening of the old cadre trying to justify their existence into a world that is more and more alien to them.

One of the takes for the future I gave a passing nod , was the one spoused in the chinese sci fi novel Three Body Problem, that will soon have its own series, about how in the future, we will see a culture so distant from what is the norm now that they have to literally keep people from the past frozen to deal with certain problems that futuristic societies wont know how to deal with.

There was even a very old Twilight Zone (1980s version) chapter that more or less also proposed that certain societies in the future will need due to a variety of reasons, people from ages past as their uniquely skewed view of reality is needed to solve certain problems in post-scarcity worlds.

I believe we are on that particular point in time where as humanity we need better values than the ones spoused by old religions and previous to post-postmodernist philosophies.

Any philosophy that is not rooted in the new soon to be normal of the Post-Postmodernism mindset is simply too old to deal with the rapid advances in technology and growing luddite behavior of some reactionary groups that with the lack of better alternatives fall back into old tropes of thought no longer relevant.


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And a small simple take on Post-Postmodernism> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-postmodernism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-postmodernism)

Safe spaces should exist where backwards thinking communities can come to a natural end point maybe?

[Landroval]

Safe spaces should exist where backwards thinking communities can come to a natural end point maybe?

No we must trounce them at every corner in which they hide, as we are absolutely correct about everything and know better than all humans throughout history.

I speak my Truth in my Calvins.

[magnetaress]

To be honest, The Adversary is in short a Servant of the Creator that is tasked to incentivize the natural evil inclination native and 100% natural to man, he hates us as much as 0, and in very old hebrew texts he even loathes the job.

The Satan you describe is a modern retelling of the Milton one (which in turn is a further reconstruction of the dark ages adversary, which in turn was a corruption of the Demiruge/Yaldabaoth of the mediterranean gnostics during the 1st Century CE), that has NOTHING whatsoever to do with the original idea of the "Enemy" and so abused by Hollywood to be able to give a modicum of backstory to their horror blockbuster films.

This whole notion of demiplanes filled to the brim with demons is also more asian than european, as on this side we actually had quite entertaining and fully flawed gods, godlings and fickle entities.

Christianity on the whole, specially the USA versions that spawned there, are quite frankly literal fanfiction converted into canon (not leaving catholicism behind, which has a metric truckload of bad takes, made to convenience exegesis and a lot of very much human, and not demonic, corruption, greed and need to control behind it).

It is better to be an optmistic nihilist than a fervent believer in a demon spawned hellscape on earth, but again, thats is my own take.

It is honestly entertaining though, and I wish you peace and happiness. Also the internet is not a very good place to discuss these beliefs, as you will find as many adherents as detractors. Not very healthy either.

It is my sincere wish you find peace, both here and in the afterlife you believe in, life is too short to get lost in minutiae of dogma and spend it cloistered behind mental prison bars where only other inmates of the same prison can come visit in.

Be well man, super hug to you.

Again, this is more or less my take, it would be terrible to live in a world where man made demons, like Vancian ones from Dying Earth have rule or sway over creation, but hey, everyone is free to believe in their own backstory of choice.

I fully respect everyones opinion on the issue.

I actually got into this a lot and I don't want to like, totally disagree with your take. However...

I feel like Satan and demons and devils are real. I feel you on the Asian multiverse of demiplanes and heals and heavens and multitudes of evil entities. However science is ironically proving this true with the many univiverses and quantum theory and the mathematic probabilities of holography.

I feel like there is more truth in the Bible and biblical stuff even the bastardized and corrupt Hollywood stuff than just throwing my hands in the air and saying strate up the prophets and angels are aliens.

I believe g-d gives every righteous and genuine Christian who worked hard a choice and in the end we can all personally choose the eternal death of our own egos granted us by G-d. On judgement day. He will also not torment unbelievers in hell eternally against their will.

An unbeliever may choose to do this to themselves. However.

I appreciate the dialogue. Ur just a bit toooo highbrow and knowing for me to fully track.

Biblical stuff works great for a subset of people who really need it and that is what they are capable of (Aussenseiter's pick up sticks, likely at me).

It's part of G-d's plan and so is creepy ass Hollywood.

Like I get where ur coming from maybe. Don't waste hours of ur life on my post history trying to figure out my take. The Bible is supposed to be there to help get ppl on the same page and guide them.

It's many versions should definitely be preserved historically.

[magnetaress]

No we must trounce them at every corner in which they hide, as we are absolutely correct about everything and know better than all humans throughout history.

I speak my Truth in my Calvins.

I was being dumb. Plz be nice! I'm confused now!

Anyway literally shitposting, gotta go back and deep read a few pages.

[Landroval]

I was being dumb. Plz be nice! I'm confused now!

Anyway literally shitposting, gotta go back and deep read a few pages.

That was a sardonically sarcastic post that was engendered to showcase the person you were replying to's hubris, which is accounted for in the context of my previous posts.

[Seducio]

creepy ass Hollywood

Hollyweird

[Landroval]

Hollyweird

Good one!

[aussenseiter]

I actually got into this a lot and I don't want to like, totally disagree with your take. However...

I feel like Satan and demons and devils are real. I feel you on the Asian multiverse of demiplanes and heals and heavens and multitudes of evil entities. However science is ironically proving this true with the many univiverses and quantum theory and the mathematic probabilities of holography.

I feel like there is more truth in the Bible and biblical stuff even the bastardized and corrupt Hollywood stuff than just throwing my hands in the air and saying strate up the prophets and angels are aliens.

I believe g-d gives every righteous and genuine Christian who worked hard a choice and in the end we can all personally choose the eternal death of our own egos granted us by G-d. On judgement day. He will also not torment unbelievers in hell eternally against their will.

An unbeliever may choose to do this to themselves. However.

I appreciate the dialogue. Ur just a bit toooo highbrow and knowing for me to fully track.

Biblical stuff works great for a subset of people who really need it and that is what they are capable of (Aussenseiter's pick up sticks, likely at me).

It's part of G-d's plan and so is creepy ass Hollywood.

Like I get where ur coming from maybe. Don't waste hours of ur life on my post history trying to figure out my take. The Bible is supposed to be there to help get ppl on the same page and guide them.

It's many versions should definitely be preserved historically.

My limited knowledge says Vormotus is claiming to be a Gnostic, or a servant of the Devil in some other fashion.

[Landroval]

My limited knowledge says Vormotus is claiming to be a Gnostic, or a servant of the Devil in some other fashion.

The premise of gnosticism is that the goal of existence in samsara (this hellishly false plane of material reality) is escape from samsara, so it takes exactly one successful generation of aspiring gnostics succeeding in that aim with no importance whatsoever in establishing a foothold in samsara as a "church" because all successful gnostics are no longer here, which means that only failed gnostics can remain here to manage a church, which means all the clergy are failures with no ethos whatsoever in commenting and providing guidance, on their own religion, for others to follow.

Catharism resolves this paradox by reserving consolamentum (ritualized purification and absolute abstinence from the continued consumption of matter until death by starvation meets you) for the terminally ill, as a final act of defiance from this fallen material creation.

[Landroval]

At it's heart, gnosticism also detracts from and diminishes the weight of Christ's sacrifice, because it follows in the tradition of the Arian adoptionist perspective (; of Arius) pertaining to Christ's divinity, which implies that the Christ didn't really die on the cross, and that only the mortal shell of the husk the Christ possessed upon baptism died, so there's quite a few paradoxical heresies baked into the metatheology of its doctrine. It's real popular with petulant and recalcitrant edgelords, however.

In my opinion, it's a healthy step toward becoming closer to "Truth", as a sort of attempt to find proof through its disproof, but it's not a good place to "fix" ones views; it's a detour along the path to seeking Christ; a tangent(opposite of adjacent)if you Will.

[magnetaress]

The premise of gnosticism is that the goal of existence in samsara (this hellishly false plane of material reality) is escape from samsara, so it takes exactly one successful generation of aspiring gnostics succeeding in that aim with no importance whatsoever in establishing a foothold in samsara as a "church" because all successful gnostics are no longer here, which means that only failed gnostics can remain here to manage a church, which means all the clergy are failures with no ethos whatsoever in commenting and providing guidance, on their own religion, for others to follow.

Catharism resolves this paradox by reserving consolamentum (ritualized purification and absolute abstinence from the continued consumption of matter until death by starvation meets you) for the terminally ill, as a final act of defiance from this fallen material creation.

At it's heart, gnosticism also detracts from and diminishes the weight of Christ's sacrifice, because it follows in the tradition of the Arian adoptionist perspective (; of Arius) pertaining to Christ's divinity, which implies that the Christ didn't really die on the cross, and that only the mortal shell of the husk the Christ possessed upon baptism died, so there's quite a few paradoxical heresies baked into the metatheology of its doctrine. It's real popular with petulant and recalcitrant edgelords, however.

In my opinion, it's a healthy step toward becoming closer to "Truth", as a sort of attempt to find proof through its disproof, but it's not a good place to "fix" ones views; it's a detour along the path to seeking Christ; a tangent(opposite of adjacent)if you Will.

I understand this. What you described has been my experience. And puts my (previous years ago) suicide by starvation into much perspective. (I was so close to death loath to call it an attempt). I should not claim resurrection tho.

Very helpful Landroval.

[magnetaress]

My limited knowledge says Vormotus is claiming to be a Gnostic, or a servant of the Devil in some other fashion.

Yeah I don't really like what he's saying. That's why I didn't just simply agree and then say doing yoga and cleansing ur Chakra will getchyu in heaven.

[Landroval]

I understand this. What you described has been my experience. And puts my (previous years ago) suicide by starvation into much perspective. (I was so close to death loath to call it an attempt). I should not claim resurrection tho.

Very helpful Landroval.

Yep. I wouldn't be able to comment concisely upon it, if it wasn't a path that I have explored as well. I'm pretty hard headed, and stubborn, and defiant, so I'm of the leaning that it's anything but what it is, until I've determined exactly what something isn't, which provides a detailed silhouette of what it is.

In other words, if you know exactly what something isn't, then you can infer exactly what it is. A Spockian approach to Truth.

[magnetaress]

On a tangent.

Ever since my body has rejected food and its very ardous to eat and digest. The scientific approach has not worked.

[magnetaress]

Butt I think what you could say to a gnostic is literally that Christ died on the cross so that they wouldn't have to lol.

[Seducio]

The combined wisdom of everyone on this thread would produce a book that would sell less than 10000 copies.

Be careful where you search for wisdom, seeker.

[aussenseiter]

The combined wisdom of everyone on this thread would produce a book that would sell less than 10000 copies.

Be careful where you search for wisdom, seeker.

It's certainly not in any of Gutenberg's pages.

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