Make MQ EPIC farming Illegal

[Eqgod34]

Topic, Make it illegal so the big dicks cant make plat off people needing an actual epic done. Its bullshit and if u disagree your a moron. Let the little guys actually complete epics without having to pend 100's of k. Im Blackpaw on green and I approve this message, if u disagree, F u.

PS . <Rest in Peace> Recruiting -----

[Toxigen]

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[ahalls2015]

But how do you really feel? ��

[Andyman1022]

Epic MQ sellers make epics more accessible for people, not less accessible.

[ahalls2015]

On a serious note, maybe get with the farmer and seller if you can't afford it and work something out, offer to help camp it, explain your situation etc. If they have the camp, they have the camp

[Toxigen]

farm your plat and buy your mq like a real elf

[Eqgod34]

Epic MQ sellers make epics more accessible for people, not less accessible.

Wrong, They charge 125k a tear and 800k for earth staff etc, dont tell me its more accessible Lol. I think mobs should only trigger if the epic person is in the zone who is on that step. This Farming epic for selling is getting out of hand and we cant finish epics when guilds are sitting on everything. Classic or not, it needs changed. The staff changes all kinds of shit and makes it "Not classic" so I don't want to hear that excuse.

[TercerRigo]

Honestly, if you could find a hundred people to agree with you, how likely do you believe you are to get an official response?


I think mobs should only trigger if the epic person is in the zone who is on that step

How about you grab eqemu and see how tedious this would be to implement.

[PatChapp]

Hasn't been a magi staff for sale on green in a long time. Tears also rarely come up for sale vs the amount that drop.
Which epic bottlenecks are you regularly seeing for sale

[WarpathEQ]

Plat is more accessible then raid encounters therefore MQs = Accessibility. If MQs weren't available then the camp would just be more contested, less efficient, and lead to more complaints/negative experiences.

Restricting the drops would mean less drops which would mean more scarcity and less accessibility, aka counter productive to your end goal. Making things not-MQable would increase the chance of rot or loot going to waste because someone isn't there to loot it on the character that needs it in that moment 100% of the time.

Really its a conversation about people thinking they are entitled and want things handed to them when they aren't willing to put in the same amount of work as the person that is actually farming the loot. You see this pervasive in big guilds where people complain about loot despite being handed a lot more from the guild than what they actually contribute to the guild in return.

[Eqgod34]

Plat is more accessible then raid encounters therefore

Really its a conversation about people thinking they are entitled and want things handed to them when they aren't willing to put in the same amount of work as the person that is actually farming the loot. You see this pervasive in big guilds where people complain about loot despite being handed a lot more from the guild than what they actually contribute to the guild in return.

And here we are to people assuming people want hand me downs, What point did that make to say that in this conversation? It's hard enough to race guilds to epic mobs, they are perma camped for $$. Don't tell me otherwise, sure some get epics completed but most of the time guilds sell epics for guild funds which is also going against the entire conversation at hand. So lets come up with something better than that , my friend.

[Eqgod34]

Hasn't been a magi staff for sale on green in a long time. Tears also rarely come up for sale vs the amount that drop.
Which epic bottlenecks are you regularly seeing for sale

Golems are perma farmed for AoN, tears are usually just for guild funds or alts now days or the random main who joins up. But alts win the tear over main of course in most guilds. This is the way and its got to change.

[Eqgod34]

Honestly, if you could find a hundred people to agree with you, how likely do you believe you are to get an official response?



How about you grab eqemu and see how tedious this would be to implement.

It's not as tedious as you think. You can add the code to a mob list. Its doable. GLitchy at first but doable in the long run. I can vouch.

[Videri]

Wrong, They charge 125k a tear and 800k for earth staff etc, dont tell me its more accessible Lol. I think mobs should only trigger if the epic person is in the zone who is on that step. This Farming epic for selling is getting out of hand and we cant finish epics when guilds are sitting on everything. Classic or not, it needs changed. The staff changes all kinds of shit and makes it "Not classic" so I don't want to hear that excuse.

Have you raided any on this server? A few rounds of competitive raiding would show you just how overcrowded the top end is. This affects most of the epic quests.

Some of the least bottlenecked epics are the monk and rogue epics.

For the other epics, either you raid day and night, or you farm plat over time and buy it. Whichever is most accessible for you.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Golems are perma farmed for AoN, tears are usually just for guild funds or alts now days or the random main who joins up. But alts win the tear over main of course in most guilds. This is the way and its got to change.

You haven't been able to farm crew golems for a while now. Unless the raid rules have changed, you need to exit Fear whenever a raid mob spawns. This basically killed the practice of people camping farm crews in Fear to snipe golems.

If a guild gets a tear, it goes though the normal dkp system most of the time, at least on blue. If a guild needs fund they will occasionally sell something. Recharges aren't cheap.

[WarpathEQ]

Sorry friend but this is just a crying thread.

It's hard enough to race guilds to epic mobs

Are you camped out at the mob?
Does your guild know you need help and committed to assisting?
Are you personally tracking the spawn timer, logged in, and tracking the mob you need during its window?
If you're still coming up short contesting the mob are you asking about making it a guild priority to get this mob during quakes or using the draft to select the needed target?

If you answered no to any of these questions, then someone else is answering yes to all of them and therefore they outworked you to get the loot and earned it over you. If you can actually answer yes to all of these questions then you likely already have your epic or will very soon (because someone else has probably been doing these things longer than you have)

they are perma camped for $$. Don't tell me otherwise, sure some get epics completed but most of the time guilds sell epics for guild funds which is also going against the entire conversation at hand.

If this is actually true then why is it so rare that these items come up for sale?

The reality is that any valuable target in P99 will be highly contested and some items are just incredibly rare and take months if not years to obtain, even if you are monopolizing every spawn. I promise you nobody is going through these lengths just to let the items go to waste, there are still a lot of toons on the server without epics.

This is what we call a victim mentality, its pervasive in P99 and the world around us. Instead of looking in the mirror and working harder for what you want its easier to point the finger at someone else. Some people just simply want it more, and that's ok.

There's a famous Kid Rock Lyric "You get what you put in, and people get what they deserve"

[Eqgod34]

Sorry friend but this is just a crying thread.

This is what we call a victim mentality, its pervasive in P99 and the world around us. Instead of looking in the mirror and working harder for what you want its easier to point the finger at someone else. Some people just simply want it more, and that's ok.

There's a famous Kid Rock Lyric "You get what you put in, and people get what they deserve"

You guys cant resist trying to troll in every response on here. Grow up. I also bet half of the responses are from Neckbeards. Also I am not in a raiding guild , I don't have time to raid on green the way it has to be done, Im not waking up at 3am when i have to work to kill a raid target to get 1dkp, thanks but no.

[Eqgod34]

I think there should be an in between , not just making it satisfactory for raid guilds. New rules are needed and need to be implemented asap.

[Old_PVP]

Honestly, I would rather spend cold hard plat than do some of these camps. So I fully support MQs!

Also, consider how many epic pieces would needlessly rot if multi-questing wasn't possible. The answer is a TON of shit would rot and zero people would benefit.

[WarpathEQ]

Not here to troll just trying to keep it real. I see people every day coveting what other people have but aren't willing to do what those people are willing to do to get it.

Totally ok to not wake up at 3AM when a mob spawns, I don't either. But someone will and they will end up with the reward for it. So can't be mad when they get the epic piece instead of you, they made sacrifices for that opportunity that others didn't.

The great irony is the very thing this thread was designed to advocate against is the thing you should be advocating for. If more people were farming epic pieces to sell loot rights or MQs for then it would be easier for you to obtain an epic without being in a guild or raiding at all and in my experience virtually anything in the game that can be bought is faster, easier, and more enjoyable to obtain with plat than it is to kill the actual mob and get the loot.

[Cecily]

Not here to troll just trying to keep it real. I see people every day coveting what other people have but aren't willing to do what those people are willing to do to get it.

Totally ok to not wake up at 3AM when a mob spawns, I don't either. But someone will and they will end up with the reward for it. So can't be mad when they get the epic piece instead of you, they made sacrifices for that opportunity that others didn't.

The great irony is the very thing this thread was designed to advocate against is the thing you should be advocating for. If more people were farming epic pieces to sell loot rights or MQs for then it would be easier for you to obtain an epic without being in a guild or raiding at all and in my experience virtually anything in the game that can be bought is faster, easier, and more enjoyable to obtain with plat than it is to kill the actual mob and get the loot.
Sounds like what someone who needs to pay rent would say.

[Eqgod34]

Honestly, I would rather spend cold hard plat than do some of these camps. So I fully support MQs!

Also, consider how many epic pieces would needlessly rot if multi-questing wasn't possible. The answer is a TON of shit would rot and zero people would benefit.

Items wouldnt rot if people are on that specific piece of their epic, nothing would ever rot actually.

[Eqgod34]

Not here to troll just trying to keep it real. I see people every day coveting what other people have but aren't willing to do what those people are willing to do to get it.

Totally ok to not wake up at 3AM when a mob spawns, I don't either. But someone will and they will end up with the reward for it. So can't be mad when they get the epic piece instead of you, they made sacrifices for that opportunity that others didn't.

The great irony is the very thing this thread was designed to advocate against is the thing you should be advocating for. If more people were farming epic pieces to sell loot rights or MQs for then it would be easier for you to obtain an epic without being in a guild or raiding at all and in my experience virtually anything in the game that can be bought is faster, easier, and more enjoyable to obtain with plat than it is to kill the actual mob and get the loot.

There cant be more people farming epic mobs, because they are dead 24/7. Another fix is to make certain epic mobs spawn times shorter, there is 2 much demand for epics on this server to wait 7 days, That would be another option, but then people would farm harder for the other non epic loot.

[Videri]

Also I am not in a raiding guild

How did you intend to complete your epic?

I don't have time to raid on green the way it has to be done, Im not waking up at 3am when i have to work to kill a raid target to get 1dkp, thanks but no.

So then it’s an availability issue, not a rules issue. There are just too many people who want the things.

[ragontx]

They can simply put something like instances where the person just clicks the book or something to do the encounter same for plane raids and dragons. And that's it end of farming for profit. Still, such a person will need to have a group or guild lol. Or such a person can just go to Project Quarm and do it there LOL. P99 is P99 either love the poop-socking or get out because the guys in charge of p99 don't care about the casual gamer. And BTW, you don't need twinking or epics to enjoy EQ content leave that to the addicts lol

[Pootle]

You guys cant resist trying to troll in every response on here. Grow up. I also bet half of the responses are from Neckbeards. Also I am not in a raiding guild , I don't have time to raid on green the way it has to be done, Im not waking up at 3am when i have to work to kill a raid target to get 1dkp, thanks but no.

So which mob is it that you don't want to pay for, and also not wanting to do a guild raid for? Which Epic are you trying to complete???

[Jimjam]

Imo raid loot should require over a dozen people in zone to drop. The more people in zone the better the loot drops.

Raids meant to be fun with a whole bunch of elf pals.

[Infectious]

Wrong, They charge 125k a tear and 800k for earth staff etc, dont tell me its more accessible Lol. I think mobs should only trigger if the epic person is in the zone who is on that step. This Farming epic for selling is getting out of hand and we cant finish epics when guilds are sitting on everything. Classic or not, it needs changed. The staff changes all kinds of shit and makes it "Not classic" so I don't want to hear that excuse.

Whole lot of "I" this and "I" that. Maybe try being a team player and think of the overall goal of this server. You're so selfish in game and on the forums it is sickening.

[Toxigen]

OP not living up to his forum name.

Guess what, buddy? This is Everquest. You either compete for spawns or farm enough plat to buy a MQ.

This ones headed to RnF and rightfully so. Get fucked.

[7thGate]

...if you're not in a raiding guild, you're never going to be able to get any of the high end items any way except by people farming them with farm crews and selling them. If you made selling MQs illegal, you would make it slightly easier for people getting DKP-based epic pieces from killing things with their guild, since they would not have to compete with people buying them with plat from farm crews. But anyone not in a raid guild is basically guaranteed to not get any of the rare epics then.

[Rokkeb]

Wrong, They charge 125k a tear and 800k for earth staff etc, dont tell me its more accessible Lol. I think mobs should only trigger if the epic person is in the zone who is on that step. This Farming epic for selling is getting out of hand and we cant finish epics when guilds are sitting on everything. Classic or not, it needs changed. The staff changes all kinds of shit and makes it "Not classic" so I don't want to hear that excuse.

The would simply have a character on that step and then raise the price because of the inconvenience

[sajbert]

I gotta wonder how many ppl can pay 800k for an earth staff?

Anyway, selling Epic MQs is fine.

If there's any problem I have it's enchanters soloing hate, but at the same time i do think that's badass. Enchanters in general just have too much power and I'm pretty sure there's a lot of cleric boxing going around.

[Goldknyght]

Shouldn't this post be in rants n flames?

[cannobeers2]

This sort of entitlement is about as classic as it gets. Either raid or not raid. It's quite simple. Raiding on P99 means that you dedicate a substantial amount of time, 24/7, to earn those hot-ticket items.

By not raiding, you best be good at farming solo, or regularly grouping group-content hot-ticket items to sell/trade to earn the coin to purchase a MQ/item.

At the end of the day, your argument, OP, is a timeworn EQ tradition of non-hardcore players wanting everything that hardcore players have without doing any actual work. I say work because hardcore EQ players treat it like a second (or first, even) job.

Life is much more free when you accept the path you choose.

PS: I truly hope for a NBG T-Staff meltdown-type thread when this is ported to RnF.

Thoughts & Prayers! :)

[7thGate]

I gotta wonder how many ppl can pay 800k for an earth staff?

Almost noone, but then again, that's also the number of people who can actually get earth staves at all regardless of distribution mechanism.

[WarpathEQ]

I gotta wonder how many ppl can pay 800k for an earth staff?

More than the number of people willing and able to sell one.

[fortior]

OP posted a thread in green trade begging for a free child's tear, he just doesn't want to put in the effort and imagines removing tear MQs will somehow give him a free one (lol)

[zelld52]

when i played very frequently, i made shaman epic priority. i joined a guild - and then kept checking /who all fearplane to try and time the golems that way. then would show up and do many other raids regularly with my guild, and over time try convince them to check golems if i had a hunch theyd be up. got lucky, got a golem and a tear for DKP.

when i started playing much more infrequently, i didnt have the ability to coordinate things like epic kills as easy anymore - so i had to farm plat in my own time, and buy MQs. was able to get a cleric epic this way.

i agree that MQ farmers make the epics more accessible to lots of other people. its a different path to epic to group in velks or seb or chardok and repeatedly return to tunnel to sell items and squirrel up for an epic MQ. but, its a path that works for many people. without anyone farming the MQs, that path wouldnt exist.

[cd288]

Topic, Make it illegal so the big dicks cant make plat off people needing an actual epic done. Its bullshit and if u disagree your a moron. Let the little guys actually complete epics without having to pend 100's of k. Im Blackpaw on green and I approve this message, if u disagree, F u.

PS . <Rest in Peace> Recruiting -----

Whenever I see complaints about epic MQs it just shows how little the person understands about the raid/epic scene on P99. If you didn't have MQs a lot of people would NEVER get their epics (depending on the class) because the top one or two raid guilds just monopolize the content and the drops would just rot if no one in the guild needed it (or they would have someone loot it to MQ it for a guildy down the road).

If you couldn't sell MQs, you'd have zero shot at ever getting your epic OP.

[fortior]

It's always such a caricature of a player as well.

For those who aren't in the know, OP is the typical epic hungry shaman player. This was their post in Green Trading:

"46 shammy here , im gonna get rammed flammed and shammed but im asking for a free tear if anyone has , never had epic on a shammy nor played a shammy and its really damn fun lol. Would be amazing if anyone had an extra one for real, id be in your debt majorly. Thanks"

So basically a shaman who just got to planar level and who just expects to have his epic handed to him. Probably didn't do the real quest either and just grinded some faction. Completely unaware of the nature of this server, that lots of shaman players get their epic well after hitting 60, that getting your epic is a journey which takes making friends, learning how to handle encounters/fights, stuff like that, and prefers the idea of the entire server's rules being changed to let him get his shiny toy.

Never mind of course that said change would have the complete opposite effect, and that he wouldn't even be able to farm his way up to his epic.

OP, get to 60, join a raiding guild, get your epic. Better people than you worked harder for their toys.

[TercerRigo]

OP, get to 60, join a raiding guild, get your epic. Better people than you worked harder for their toys.

Forget all that. Instead grab eqemu, give yourself the epic, then realize you spared yourself hundreds of hours trying to get some worthless shit.

Elitism in a 20+ year old MMO is pathetic.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Forget all that. Instead grab eqemu, give yourself the epic, then realize you spared yourself hundreds of hours trying to get some worthless shit.

Elitism in a 20+ year old MMO is pathetic.

If you want an MMO where you can get all the good items in a short period of time, just play basically any other MMO.

The nice thing about P99 is you have the choice to play a game where items are actually rare. Why can't people have at least one MMO (P99) like that?

If you don't like how P99 plays, you have hundreds or thousands of choices for other MMOs. The same can't be said for people who want to play MMO's like P99.

[TercerRigo]

The nice thing about P99 is you have the choice to play a game where items are actually rare. Why can't people have at least one MMO (P99) like that?
You do,my opinion doesn't affect your enjoyment.


The same can't be said for people who want to play MMO's like P99.

I suspect many abstain due to how hardcore some are about it. If I'm going to 24/7 something it needs to reward in something significantly meaningful. This thread is a turn-off because the answer seems to be either sink in all of your time or don't bother.

Break free eqgod34, learn the joy of making Norrath to your liking.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

This thread is a turn-off because the answer seems to be either sink in all of your time or don't bother.


P99 is indeed a timesink. Nothing wrong with being unable to the sink the necessary time. Just play another game that takes less time. There are plenty out there.

[TercerRigo]

P99 is indeed a timesink. Nothing wrong with being unable to the sink the necessary time. Just play another game that takes less time. There are plenty out there.

Exactly.

[Castle2.0]

If you want an MMO where you can get all the good items in a short period of time, just play basically any other MMO.

The nice thing about P99 is you have the choice to play a game where items are actually rare. Why can't people have at least one MMO (P99) like that?

If you don't like how P99 plays, you have hundreds or thousands of choices for other MMOs. The same can't be said for people who want to play MMO's like P99.

Newsflash, it's not actually rare. There are a lot on the server and the number continues to go up.

That's why you should try to do something truly unique.

/emote points to his signature and takes a bow

a thank you.... a thank you...

[aussenseiter]

It's always such a caricature of a player as well.

For those who aren't in the know, OP is the typical epic hungry shaman player. This was their post in Green Trading:

"46 shammy here , im gonna get rammed flammed and shammed but im asking for a free tear if anyone has , never had epic on a shammy nor played a shammy and its really damn fun lol. Would be amazing if anyone had an extra one for real, id be in your debt majorly. Thanks"

So basically a shaman who just got to planar level and who just expects to have his epic handed to him. Probably didn't do the real quest either and just grinded some faction. Completely unaware of the nature of this server, that lots of shaman players get their epic well after hitting 60, that getting your epic is a journey which takes making friends, learning how to handle encounters/fights, stuff like that, and prefers the idea of the entire server's rules being changed to let him get his shiny toy.

Never mind of course that said change would have the complete opposite effect, and that he wouldn't even be able to farm his way up to his epic.

OP, get to 60, join a raiding guild, get your epic. Better people than you worked harder for their toys.

Do many shamans on P99 bother doing 'the quest' at this point on P99?

Seems an easy get you want to gatekeep for.. reasons?

[aussenseiter]

Ludicrous criticism by a Daniel.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Newsflash, it's not actually rare. There are a lot on the server and the number continues to go up.

That's why you should try to do something truly unique.

/emote points to his signature and takes a bow

a thank you.... a thank you...

Any raid item in P99 is significantly rarer than the equivalent raid item in WoW. Instanced MMOs are going to have more copies of an item, even the rarest ones.

You're probably only getting 5 Vulak Robes per real year, for example. That's 10 across Green and Blue.

[Rader]

OP's attitude is lame

But so is that of many of the white knights here as well

Regularly see shamen druids and bards on the OoT AC list. Many MQ items are bottlenecked by greed and don't fool your self into thinking you are doing the server a service by your platlust

[ya.dingus]

No.

I don't like joining guilds, and I'm not a fan of having to do that just to get my epic.

Sorry, if I can pay for my stuff with plat I farm or gain via trades, I will.

[fortior]

Do many shamans on P99 bother doing 'the quest' at this point on P99?

Seems an easy get you want to gatekeep for.. reasons?

Yeah I did. I did the quest, made friends, got the epic, and it felt great. Imagine not feeling like you’re owed something and doing your best to achieve a goal one way or another.

[ya.dingus]

Yeah I did. I did the quest, made friends, got the epic, and it felt great. Imagine not feeling like you’re owed something and doing your best to achieve a goal one way or another.

Good for you.

I don't care.

I don't want to be subject to joining the ranks of other people I'm disinterested in interacting with.

I'm not keen on the boot licking and brown nosing that accompanies guild politics or performing the dance of quid pro quo to get a goal I want completed.

There should be alternate methods for doing it.

Sorry but a large number of people don't want to be forced to socialize with strangers they couldn't care less about, and are instead only interested in their own business and friends they want to deal with.

It's why there are GDPR raids now in WoW. Why put up with the BS guilds come with when you can just achieve your goals with none of the PR and other nonsense.

I don't want to join your discord, I don't want to be subjected to your voice and thoughts and other background noises you have going on. Keep that stuff contained to your own corner of the world, thanks.

[aussenseiter]

Yeah I did. I did the quest, made friends, got the epic, and it felt great. Imagine not feeling like you’re owed something and doing your best to achieve a goal one way or another.

I think it's great you wasted your time with a pointless quest but I don't think it's great to belittle others for not doing so.

[cd288]

No.

I don't like joining guilds, and I'm not a fan of having to do that just to get my epic.

Sorry, if I can pay for my stuff with plat I farm or gain via trades, I will.

Well fortunately for you I have good news, which is that guilds don't want you to join either

[fortior]

There should be alternate methods for doing it.


There are alternate methods. Just like in real life, you can exchange money for goods and services.

I think it's great you wasted your time with a pointless quest but I don't think it's great to belittle others for not doing so.

Time spent making friends and having fun is never pointless. Time spent chasing after a classic EQ item without caring about developing social bonds sounds like a complete waste of time, on the other hand. In the end you have what, a stat stick that lets you root rot mobs better? And no friends? Lol.

Honestly the remarks about likeable behavior and making friends being characterized as 'quid pro quo' and 'brownnosing' say it all. Extremely cynical, antisocial people who see every relationship as purely transactional. It's a shame that modern video game design tries to appeal to your sort of person instead of just pushing you out on an ice floe to float away.

[aussenseiter]

Time spent making friends and having fun is never pointless. Time spent chasing after a classic EQ item without caring about developing social bonds sounds like a complete waste of time, on the other hand. In the end you have what, a stat stick that lets you root rot mobs better? And no friends? Lol.

Honestly the remarks about likeable behavior and making friends being characterized as 'quid pro quo' and 'brownnosing' say it all. Extremely cynical, antisocial people who see every relationship as purely transactional. It's a shame that modern video game design tries to appeal to your sort of person instead of just pushing you out on an ice floe to float away.

The Tookery of your sleight of hand is impressive.

Nevermind.

[PatChapp]

OP's attitude is lame

But so is that of many of the white knights here as well

Regularly see shamen druids and bards on the OoT AC list. Many MQ items are bottlenecked by greed and don't fool your self into thinking you are doing the server a service by your platlust

If people didn't mq jboots I would have to camp that stupid clops myself for the shitter alt im going to quit in 2 weeks anyway.
Sounds terrible

[Arvan]

filed under mad bad sad

[cd288]

There are alternate methods. Just like in real life, you can exchange money for goods and services.



Time spent making friends and having fun is never pointless. Time spent chasing after a classic EQ item without caring about developing social bonds sounds like a complete waste of time, on the other hand. In the end you have what, a stat stick that lets you root rot mobs better? And no friends? Lol.

Honestly the remarks about likeable behavior and making friends being characterized as 'quid pro quo' and 'brownnosing' say it all. Extremely cynical, antisocial people who see every relationship as purely transactional. It's a shame that modern video game design tries to appeal to your sort of person instead of just pushing you out on an ice floe to float away.

I mean I guess everyone has their own ways they enjoy the game, but I generally agree with you that in a game like EQ sort of being on your own is kinda pointless. hence why I occasionally raid and don't care about loot at all, just fun to shoot the shit with people and have a good time as a big group.

[Rader]

Good for you.

I don't care.

I don't want to be subject to joining the ranks of other people I'm disinterested in interacting with.

I'm not keen on the boot licking and brown nosing that accompanies guild politics or performing the dance of quid pro quo to get a goal I want completed.

There should be alternate methods for doing it.

Sorry but a large number of people don't want to be forced to socialize with strangers they couldn't care less about, and are instead only interested in their own business and friends they want to deal with.

It's why there are GDPR raids now in WoW. Why put up with the BS guilds come with when you can just achieve your goals with none of the PR and other nonsense.

I don't want to join your discord, I don't want to be subjected to your voice and thoughts and other background noises you have going on. Keep that stuff contained to your own corner of the world, thanks.

...care to elaborate?

[Homesteaded]

I want to play a MMO that requires interacting with other players, but I want to play it all alone.

[sajbert]

I want to play a MMO that requires interacting with other players, but I want to play it all alone.

To be fair, and we never are, there's a big difference between playing with ha select few players or just doing pick-up-groups instead of following orders in discord after the batphone went off in the middle of the night to collect your one dragon tooth point which you need to save hundreds off to get one item.

That's not to say that Epics shouldn't require raiding. I think if there's any issue with P99 it's that drop rates on some pieces are incredibly low and I do wonder how classic these drop rates truly are. Similar deal with legacy items when they were dropping.

[ya.dingus]

To be fair, and we never are, there's a big difference between playing with ha select few players or just doing pick-up-groups instead of following orders in discord after the batphone went off in the middle of the night to collect your one dragon tooth point which you need to save hundreds off to get one item.

That's not to say that Epics shouldn't require raiding. I think if there's any issue with P99 it's that drop rates on some pieces are incredibly low and I do wonder how classic these drop rates truly are. Similar deal with legacy items when they were dropping.

People are so self interested/absorbed and lack any kind of insights into others, that they simply cannot fathom different people get different types of enjoyments from a mmo.

These are EXACTLY the type of people I want to avoid.

Like deal with it. I play with a group of people I like to, anyone else I don't care to play with.

I like an MMO because it's a live world. Full stop, that's it. It doesn't mean I want to subject myself to you any closer than a 200 yard stick or a brief interaction with a ec tunnel trade.

These players think they're special, and they're not, and I especially don't want to interact with them.

[Toxigen]

If you're not willing to do whats necessary to get an epic thats fine.

Epics are not required to play EQ. Sorry you don't got.

[enjchanter]

it always makes my heart happy to see ppl complain about stuff that instances would solve while still hating instanced content

[Homesteaded]

Everything on p99 is achievable if you put in the effort. If the effort is too much, then it isn't the server for you. Simple as that. End of story.

[cd288]

People are so self interested/absorbed and lack any kind of insights into others, that they simply cannot fathom different people get different types of enjoyments from a mmo.

These are EXACTLY the type of people I want to avoid.

Like deal with it. I play with a group of people I like to, anyone else I don't care to play with.

I like an MMO because it's a live world. Full stop, that's it. It doesn't mean I want to subject myself to you any closer than a 200 yard stick or a brief interaction with a ec tunnel trade.

These players think they're special, and they're not, and I especially don't want to interact with them.

Most of quite a few epic quests can be accomplished with a single group of people, so that seems to fit your play style.

Depending on the drop you need, if it requires a raid some guilds might let you tag along with them temporarily if someone in the guild doesn't need the drop. But again highly dependent on which class and which drop.

[Toxigen]

Most of quite a few epic quests can be accomplished with a single group of people, so that seems to fit your play style.

Depending on the drop you need, if it requires a raid some guilds might let you tag along with them temporarily if someone in the guild doesn't need the drop. But again highly dependent on which class and which drop.

dingus doesnt strike me as the kind of person capable of reaching out to a raid guild for a hand in a non-obtuse manner

[Videri]

you must reach out in acute manner :3

[cd288]

dingus doesnt strike me as the kind of person capable of reaching out to a raid guild for a hand in a non-obtuse manner

Probably correct

[aussenseiter]

dingus doesnt strike me as the kind of person capable of reaching out to a raid guild for a hand in a non-obtuse manner

I think she just wants to pay you, like a Doordash driver.

If it's valid there, it's valid here. September is eternal.

[fortior]

People are so self interested/absorbed [..] It doesn't mean I want to subject myself to you any closer than a 200 yard stick

[aussenseiter]

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The sweaties benefit too milord

-QXULxDKR74

[IXIShaunIXI]

Topic, Make it illegal so the big dicks cant make plat off people needing an actual epic done. Its bullshit and if u disagree your a moron. Let the little guys actually complete epics without having to pend 100's of k. Im Blackpaw on green and I approve this message, if u disagree, F u.

PS . <Rest in Peace> Recruiting -----

this ever"Quest"
or Ever"Pay"

i agree with the poster

[Truedox]

My suggestion is to quit the game. Play a single player game that you can mod or cheat to your liking. Don't waste your time playing something that you are not happy playing.

[Tethler]

If MQs were disabled, people would just sell loot rights instead, which would result in less epics on the server due to rots. I don't like the idea of farming bottlenecks for profit either, but MQs are just the lesser of two evils.

[cannobeers2]

Join Date: Dec 2022
Posts: 4,184

Holy shit! If you are going to be invested, at least try a new sport.

[Drueric]

I agree with the OP. Holding camps 27/ and price gouging people for epic pieces is scumbag behavior. But If the prices were reasonable, then it wouldnt be a problem. Personally I prefer earning the item myself as opposed to earning plat for someone else to do it for me. In that scenario I am doing far more work than the person selling the MQ. But if I am unable to get the item because its always camped by scumbags, I just wont get the item or the epic and it can rot in their banks.

All that said, I dont really have any solution for this. Humans are selfish by nature and wont change. The behavior will likely continue unhindered by the powers that be. Might lead to players simply quitting game if its not any fun, and ultimately the death of the server.

[cd288]

I agree with the OP. Holding camps 27/ and price gouging people for epic pieces is scumbag behavior. But If the prices were reasonable, then it wouldnt be a problem. Personally I prefer earning the item myself as opposed to earning plat for someone else to do it for me. In that scenario I am doing far more work than the person selling the MQ. But if I am unable to get the item because its always camped by scumbags, I just wont get the item or the epic and it can rot in their banks.

All that said, I dont really have any solution for this. Humans are selfish by nature and wont change. The behavior will likely continue unhindered by the powers that be. Might lead to players simply quitting game if its not any fun, and ultimately the death of the server.

Again, if MQs weren't allowed there are epics you would literally just have no shot at due to the amount of DKP you'd have to accumulate raiding in order to even have the possibility to outbid another guildy for it (and that doesn't include the likely 100+ hours of raiding you'll have to put in before you even see the drop for some of these things).

[Andyman1022]

I bought or traded for at least part of most of my epics.. Only exception Green Scale which I bought for DKP. I am firmly in the "MQing is a service" column.

[Duik]

Sweaty neckbeard MQ would be the only way many would even have a remote chance to Epic a character. Not saying its fair or best.

Take away Epic MQ and it would just mean less Epics.

You farm all those apples and sheep/cow/pig parts you eat? NVM.

[Drueric]

Again, if MQs weren't allowed there are epics you would literally just have no shot at due to the amount of DKP you'd have to accumulate raiding in order to even have the possibility to outbid another guildy for it (and that doesn't include the likely 100+ hours of raiding you'll have to put in before you even see the drop for some of these things).

You assume that everyone would do a raid using that dkp system. I wouldnt. I would get my guildies and friends together to do a raid and bypass the silly dkp system.

[Drueric]

Sweaty neckbeard MQ would be the only way many would even have a remote chance to Epic a character. Not saying its fair or best.

Take away Epic MQ and it would just mean less Epics.

You farm all those apples and sheep/cow/pig parts you eat? NVM.

To use your analogy, yes I would get my own farm and raise my own animals to survive.

I think most people that actually care about getting an epic would prefer to be in the raids themselves than to spend half their life farming plat to make someone else rich. Its a shit system. I for one wont do it. Epics be damned.

[cd288]

You assume that everyone would do a raid using that dkp system. I wouldnt. I would get my guildies and friends together to do a raid and bypass the silly dkp system.

I mean, it's a nice thought but unfortunately that's not really the way it works. It could work for some parts of some epics (for example, mobs that aren't really that contested and only take like 5 - 10 people to kill), but for others you'd have no shot.

Take the earth staff in Hate for the mage epic for example. 100% the only way you'd have a shot at getting that is to join the top 1 or 2 raiding guilds. They basically have the Magi on lock down. You have no other choice.

White dragon scales are another good example, although not quite as bad as the earth staff.

Other examples are drops you'd need off a mob like CT.

Point being, depending on which epic you're talking about, other than an MQ your only option would be to earn DKP with the top 1 or 2 raiding guilds on the server.

[PatChapp]

Well,if one of your friends happened to be an. enchanter interested in farming hate you could get an earth staff,maybe. Even the guilds that do a lot of hate minis, it's all on the back of people willing to track the horrible windows.
The easy epics like rogue,cleric,monk you can do with friends. They also happen to be some of the best epics.
Anything from a contested raid mob wouldn't happen.

[Duik]

To use your analogy, yes I would get my own farm and raise my own animals to survive.

I think most people that actually care about getting an epic would prefer to be in the raids themselves than to spend half their life farming plat to make someone else rich. Its a shit system. I for one wont do it. Epics be damned.

Getting an epic is not analagous to just surviving. Orchardist, vege farmer and animal raising (to the point of self suficiency) is a huge task.

Like my post mentions, its not the best or a fair system but the way the game is (because of spawn timers andhuman nature) people are gonna people.
Whether its that they have zero going on in their life, have (virtually) unlimited funds (the millionaire clubbers) people with the most time to devote WILL monopolize and monetize the content. Same as in 2000 as it is now.
Never epiced back then, i had a job, a band and a family. I know the deal now and it does not interest me.

Grind a countdown timer or endless plat grinding? No thanks. For me.

The people who have mobs on permanent lockdown are the type who peaked in high school and need to relive the glory to feel something.

Take away MQ and yoy would need to gather a force AND get lucky with drops and win the roll. Then rinse and repeat. At least you get to choose the non raid waiting around option and farm plat by killing endless guards or plat rich nameds.

Just choose.

[cd288]

There are only a few epics that are really worth it anyway. There are multiple where you won't really notice a difference in your class.

[Rader]

Topic, Make it illegal so the big dicks cant make plat off people needing an actual epic done. Its bullshit and if u disagree your a moron. Let the little guys actually complete epics without having to pend 100's of k. Im Blackpaw on green and I approve this message, if u disagree, F u.

PS . <Rest in Peace> Recruiting -----

I get the thought process here, but you are mistaken, as unfortunate as it sounds, the current process for these MQ's actually makes these more accessible. Life is hard, don't believe those snake oil sales"persons" who tell you that the system is holding you down

[cannobeers2]

You assume that everyone would do a raid using that dkp system. I wouldnt. I would get my guildies and friends together to do a raid and bypass the silly dkp system.

You seem to be advocating for NBG.

[Toxigen]

There are only a few epics that are really worth it anyway. There are multiple where you won't really notice a difference in your class.

And all of these are the easiest to get, too. (cleric, rogue, shaman)

I'd say Wiz, Bard, Monk are on the verge of class defining, with Bard being the only one in this category thats a pain (scales). If you have these classes in your stable its definitely worth getting epic.

Ranger is good but can get by with just Swiftwind which is super easy.

Enc can easily skip epic entirely and just raid for FT8, Feshlak staff is a great stat stick for cheap.

Druid is super easy and I wouldn't say its important...just a nice thing before 60 to help finish leveling.

Necro's true epic is Soul Well staff.

War is BiS but can easily go without, plenty of options.

Pal/SK - just get velious raid weapons

Mage - lol you're a coth bot silly...have fun trying to get magi (NOT WORTH)

[enjchanter]

Sry I was looking at my mage epic what did u say

[cd288]

And all of these are the easiest to get, too. (cleric, rogue, shaman)

I'd say Wiz, Bard, Monk are on the verge of class defining, with Bard being the only one in this category thats a pain (scales). If you have these classes in your stable its definitely worth getting epic.

Ranger is good but can get by with just Swiftwind which is super easy.

Enc can easily skip epic entirely and just raid for FT8, Feshlak staff is a great stat stick for cheap.

Druid is super easy and I wouldn't say its important...just a nice thing before 60 to help finish leveling.

Necro's true epic is Soul Well staff.

War is BiS but can easily go without, plenty of options.

Pal/SK - just get velious raid weapons

Mage - lol you're a coth bot silly...have fun trying to get magi (NOT WORTH)

Yeah agree. Monk is close to class defining, but if you're raiding in a big guild you're going to have higher haste on you so kind of defeats the biggest benefit IMO. Nice to get those solid resist boosts from a hand slot though.

Druid is easy in the sense of not really having extreme bottlenecks that are massively contested and a lot of it being able to be done solo/small group, but it's one of the most pain in the ass epics from an RNG/grind perspective IMO.

[Duik]

I'm doing my part!

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=430510

[cd288]

Paying 75k for a Druid epic sounds crazy to me

[Pulgasari]

I get the thought process here, but you are mistaken, as unfortunate as it sounds, the current process for these MQ's actually makes these more accessible. Life is hard, don't believe those snake oil sales"persons" who tell you that the system is holding you down

Thread stinks of rent control. Well-intended but counterproductive and genuinely harmful.

More epic MQ farming please!

[IXIShaunIXI]

GM's are takeing a cut? this is so out of controll

[IXIShaunIXI]

let people do thier epics!! ffs!

[Sonark]

This Farming epic for selling is getting out of hand and we cant finish epics when guilds are sitting on everything.This is the point that no one will debate and is afraid to admit to.

They could just disable MQ for epics. But that isn't Classic, so they're not gonna do it.Classic or not, it needs changed. The staff changes all kinds of shit and makes it "Not classic" so I don't want to hear that excuse.If people are toxic enough with something, they DO change it, so maybe this will change some day

Probably not, tho

[Sonark]

Really its a conversationabout people having been on here for 15 years having a whole bunch of money that is as much of a roadblock as not having the people or the time to do these steps.

It's a weird position to have to tell someone to play a class that can solo, just so they can level up and then farm the money to get the epic for the class they actually want to play.

We're all in the same stagnant pond together. The only complicating factor is people sucking.

[PatChapp]

This is the point that no one will debate and is afraid to admit to.

They could just disable MQ for epics. But that isn't Classic, so they're not gonna do it.If people are toxic enough with something, they DO change it, so maybe this will change some day

Probably not, tho
What epic are you talking about. Other than the easy ones i rarely see any epic for sale
Sure there's cleric and rogue epics readily available,because anyone with a few friends can do those

[Toxigen]

too bad "muh no farm crews" on woke99 - ah the good ole days of doing golems with less than 10 ppl

[Rimitto]

How do I buy enchanter epic for real life money?

[Trexller]

How do I buy enchanter epic for real life money?

send a PM to Galach or Menden they have the info you need

[Pulgasari]

too bad "muh no farm crews" on woke99 - ah the good ole days of doing golems with less than 10 ppl

VVxYOQS6ggk

[Duik]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rimitto View Post
How do I buy enchanter epic for real life money?

Trexller posted..
send a PM to Galach or Menden they have the info you need


Anyone know how this went?

[Trexller]

Anyone know how this went?

it's a bot

someone is using these forums in their language model training

[smooman]

I have an answer to all of this that I believe could fix everything.. its a multi pronged approach that gives everyone what they want without taking away much.

1) "I want an epic but I don't have time!"
Add a vendor that sells the epic for plat. Same stats, same looks EXCEPT when you swing it it makes a cash register sound instead of the normal swing sound, and it has little dollar sign particle effects regardless of the epic.

2) "I want the epic but I am an adult, with adult responsibilities. I am willing to farm for the epic bit I cannot poop sock like the neckbeards."
Make an instanced zone for each mob with an epic piece, gives you the regular epic.

3) "but but I farmed all these epic mq parts with my uber top tier raiding guild and woke up at 3am for the past decade to keep it on lockdown for 'reasons'".
Epics gotten before the change will have their particle effects changed to little poop socks and the epic wielder will give off a slight 'stink cloud' particle effect (due to not showering) to recognize their efforts and their epic description window will have an added modifier 'better than yours'

I think this would equally help and annoy everyone :-)

[Trexller]

Log onto EZ server.

All the 1.0 epics are free on a vendor at the noob spawn.

EZ means extended zones, not easy

[onmove_broke]

Plat is more accessible then raid encounters therefore MQs = Accessibility. If MQs weren't available then the camp would just be more contested, less efficient, and lead to more complaints/negative experiences.

Restricting the drops would mean less drops which would mean more scarcity and less accessibility, aka counter productive to your end goal. Making things not-MQable would increase the chance of rot or loot going to waste because someone isn't there to loot it on the character that needs it in that moment 100% of the time.

Really its a conversation about people thinking they are entitled and want things handed to them when they aren't willing to put in the same amount of work as the person that is actually farming the loot. You see this pervasive in big guilds where people complain about loot despite being handed a lot more from the guild than what they actually contribute to the guild in return.

So one guild can simply own an MQ just so they can make plat? It's not even for epics than it is for anything that is MQ-able.

[magnetaress]

Topic, Make it illegal so the big dicks cant make plat off people needing an actual epic done. Its bullshit and if u disagree your a moron. Let the little guys actually complete epics without having to pend 100's of k. Im Blackpaw on green and I approve this message, if u disagree, F u.

PS . <Rest in Peace> Recruiting -----

Agreeed no one "farmed" epics in the past lol. At best ppl held on to the minor drops for their guild budies.

[Swish]

EZ means extended zones, not easy

But it is easy.

[Trexller]

But it is easy.

Yeah if you are an expert in macroquest...

Its like a 6 box minimum just to get thru even half of their custom content

I had 18 boxes set up and running and still had some trouble in places

But i refuse to automate. If im gonna play then im gonna be puppet master

And the amount of grinding required is just, masochistic

I still have nightmares about the thousands of willowisp whole-zone pulls i did just to farm enough lightstones to get the right dps procs for the army of melee i had

But i also have fond memories of the arthicrex zone pulls, something about seeing 100 ants stacked on each other