Most powerful race/class combos? Least powerful race/class combos?

[htabdoolb]

Been thinking about this a bit, and I wonder what other people's opinions might be. Every race has its advantages and disadvantages, and so too do the various classes. Which of these build upon the strengths of the other? For example, the classic combo of an warrior ogre. The ogre's natural high strength and stamina, combined with frontal stun immunity, make for a good pairing with the warrior class's needs and abilities.

Then on the other hand, what might the opposite be? The least powerful pairing of race and class. Especially if we opened up race restrictions for each class. Would an ogre enchantress be the most pitiful, or would it instead be the high elf warrior?

[PatChapp]

Ogre enchanter would be amazing. I can't even imagine how strong frontal stun immunity would be on an enchanter.

Gnome shaman would be pretty silly,but it'd still be a shaman so....hmm
every class pretty strong other than shitterknights,so any shitterknight would be the least powerful

[aussenseiter]

Ogre mage would be not good. Gygax weeps for what Brad wrought.

[Troxx]

Iksar any class that can’t be iksar?

[zelld52]

Vah Shir monk

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Yeah that's a tougher question for the weakest combination. The nice thing about EQ is the weaker races aren't weaker because they have a harsh penalty applied to them. They just lack strong racial traits.

The harshest penalties are applied to races that have something to compensate for it. The negative 20 fire resist on Trolls and Iksar plate restrictions are the worst, but they are countered by racial regen.

I would say Iksar Cleric would be meh. You don't have access to Donal's BP/Bracer, and the regen is helping you less than other classes, unless you have a manastone maybe.

For the strongest combo I agree with PatChapp. Ogre Enchanter would be awesome.

[htabdoolb]

Hah, this is quite funny. I thought that the low INT and even lower CHA of an Ogre would make being an Enchanter or any pure INT caster an uphill battle for them, but FSI is just that good huh?

[PatChapp]

Enchanters die from getting their stuns interrupted, FSI would decrease how often that happens. Low stats are easy to overcome

[magnetaress]

The Lore answer is gnome wizard.

[Jimjam]

Half elf cleric. Created after only the mightiest* half elf of Innorruuk overthrew and replaced his own god.

[WarpathEQ]

Recently rolled a barbarian and what a horrible race, possibly worst in the game, can't see shit and starts in the middle of nowhere. I'm going to go with barbarian mage as worst class option.

Gnome bard would be the #1 best combo (bring back the warders)

[Troxx]

Every time I see a solo enchanter in troll illusion trying to milk that tiny bit of extra regen as a class that has no independent ways to recover health …

How much do you think they wish they could just be iksar or an actual troll?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Hah, this is quite funny. I thought that the low INT and even lower CHA of an Ogre would make being an Enchanter or any pure INT caster an uphill battle for them, but FSI is just that good huh?

Indeed. An Ogre Shadowknight's starting INT is 70 vs a Human Shadowknight's 80 INT. The 38 CHA gap between the two is bigger, but Ogre Enchanters would probably get a bit of a boost there too, as human Enchanters have +5 CHA over human Shadowknights.

My Human Enchanter at level 30 is already max CHA with self buff, and the upgraded CHA buff at 49 would give another 22. So Ogres would be basically capped on CHA too in equivalent gear.

Enchanters are at the highest risk during charm breaks. Something like racial regen won't save you when you have a hasted dual wielding mob punching you repeatedly. The Ogre's higher STA and FSI would be very helpful in staying alive during this time.

[Vivitron]

My Human Enchanter at level 30 is already max CHA with self buff, and the upgraded CHA buff at 49 would give another 22. So Ogres would be basically capped on CHA too in equivalent gear.

Don't get me wrong -- I would take the frontal stun immunity -- but those cha pieces are a tradeoff. Even on my 60 cha high elf with some raid gear I have thoughts like "maybe if I get a Vulak robe I can finally put an hp item in my head slot."

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Don't get me wrong -- I would take the frontal stun immunity -- but those cha pieces are a tradeoff. Even on my 60 cha high elf with some raid gear I have thoughts like "maybe if I get a Vulak robe I can finally put an hp item in my head slot."

I do agree with you that re-tooling the Ogre Enchanter's items would be a bit more difficult. The Ogre Shaman would have like 125 extra HP from the 52 stamina they have over a Human at level 60. So perhaps you could fiddle with an HP piece somewhere. Like using SS Arms for the CHA instead of Ikatiar Arms until you get Vulak Arms. But I guess that depends on which slot you would put Spirit Wracked Cord in. I don't claim to be an expert in BiS Enchanter gear, so this may not be the best example, but hopefully you get the point.

Something like https://wiki.project1999.com/Cloak_of_Confusion could be considered BiS for a Ogre Enchanter perhaps if it isn't already, since that has +15 CHA on it and some good HP/Resists/AC.

[eqravenprince]

Without overthinking it too much Ogre Monk would be pretty awesome, give Ogre it's own animation for final attack like Hulk Smash. Ability to sell anywhere with sneak.

High Elf Monk would be weakest, low str, sta, and dex. Would definitely need a Tunare only item to make up for bad stats.

[PatChapp]

Yeah it would definitely take some regearing, I would probably lose 2-300hp but my gear isn't fantastic. Pom stuff,ss stuff etc.
But that stun immunity..big dream

[druidbob]

Dwarf monk, just so I could barrel roll into a flying kick.

[cd288]

Ogre enchanter would be amazing. I can't even imagine how strong frontal stun immunity would be on an enchanter.

Gnome shaman would be pretty silly,but it'd still be a shaman so....hmm
every class pretty strong other than shitterknights,so any shitterknight would be the least powerful

If you don't know how to time a stun such that you don't get hit on an Enchanter you should maybe stop enchantering

[DeathsSilkyMist]

If you don't know how to time a stun such that you don't get hit on an Enchanter you should maybe stop enchantering

Nobody said FSI was required to play Enchanter effectively. Obviously this is the case, since you can't get it.

That doesn't mean it wouldn't be nice to have. It increases your survivability by reducing the odds of an unlucky bash stun, however you ended up getting said bash stun.

[PatChapp]

If you don't know how to time a stun such that you don't get hit on an Enchanter you should maybe stop enchantering


I'm often dealing with pets that summon, quad and are ofcourse hasted
The mobs Im killing also summon,and are often too high level to stun.

[Ciderpress]

I'm often dealing with pets that summon, quad and are ofcourse hasted
The mobs Im killing also summon,and are often too high level to stun.

Cliff golems summon and are also unstunnable and immune to all mez except rapture, so I just consider rapture a long emergency stun in that case. But you can also just face tank them during breaks cause they're slowed and you're runed\bedlam'ed while your pet is mezzed. Thank god for channeling.

Solo encs kill cliff golems way faster but also way more dangerously than solo shams. The extra deaths\rez downtime for encs probably cancel out, roughly.

[Videri]

Missing combos that would be good:
Barbarian ranger
Dwarf shaman
Iksar rogue

Maybe worst:
Erudite rogue
Erudite warrior (would look cool, though)

[Gozuk]

Recently rolled a barbarian and what a horrible race, possibly worst in the game, can't see shit and starts in the middle of nowhere. I'm going to go with barbarian mage as worst class option.

:D:D

[magethis]

+ Barbarian Bard and Ranger would be neat, or Cleric and Paladin

- Troll and Ogre Rogue + Wizard would be hilarious and not make sense at all

[Toxigen]

If you don't know how to time a stun such that you don't get hit on an Enchanter you should maybe stop enchantering

went for the dunk but hasnt actually played enchanter at a high level and PatChapp has

big yikes

[spoil]

Regardless I'd like to see someone who can reliably AE stun like that. You have to time the spell to land precisely in the however many millisecond time-frame between the mob entering the maximum range for stun and melee range.

And even if you could execute that ~90% of the time, it's still useless as you'll get murdered with interrupts when you're a fraction of a second too late. That's what rune(s) are for, to absorb a few hits through channeling stun.

[PatChapp]

If your dealing with big stuff you would get summoned,have to wait for the first round of melee to hit you.
Stun hopefully locks your pet down, or you just die. Than hopefully you had previously landed a slow on the mob,so you can tank it a bit while you mez your pet
This is where the bash immunity would be nice. It would at least decrease deaths in this scenario.

[Drueric]

Considering your character's power is pretty much based on your gear.... it doesnt matter what you play. Just pick what you like.

[Castle2.0]

Barbarian Bard actually a thing.

Google 'skald'

[Tnair]

Without overthinking it too much Ogre Monk would be pretty awesome, give Ogre it's own animation for final attack like Hulk Smash. Ability to sell anywhere with sneak.


this is a wonderful and brilliant vision

Master Clubbin says, 'Hail yur self, ha ha. You want join stupid guards, hold sharp stick like big dummy? No!! You want honor great Rallos, you fight with punch! No stupid sharp sticks! You want be [strong like Master Clubbin]?'

Master Clubbin says, 'Hah hah! You even dumber than look! You puny never be as strong as Master Clubbin! You go now to human lands. Even puny like you can beat humans. Bring me human [cloth armor] and you can have some leftovers from Master Clubbin garbage.'

[Duik]

*Bardbarian*

[Jimjam]

this is a wonderful and brilliant vision

Master Clubbin says, 'Hail yur self, ha ha. You want join stupid guards, hold sharp stick like big dummy? No!! You want honor great Rallos, you fight with punch! No stupid sharp sticks! You want be [strong like Master Clubbin]?'

Master Clubbin says, 'Hah hah! You even dumber than look! You puny never be as strong as Master Clubbin! You go now to human lands. Even puny like you can beat humans. Bring me human [cloth armor] and you can have some leftovers from Master Clubbin garbage.'

5*

[magnetaress]

Half elf cleric.