Bard Swarm

[nvidor]

Hello all I know a ton will not agree with me and that's fine. But, lets talk about how the bard swarm nerf in DN did not nerf bards. But, instead you have nerfed the entire player base.

What do I mean by this and how did I come to this conclusion?

Let's talk about that..... Velks.... When you removed the swarming of DN causing mobs to summon you actually destroyed another zone in the process. The only other alternative is for bards to swarm Velks. One of the games most bad pathing zones is now a bards paradise and highly disrupts the entire front half of the zone.

Why was this fair to the legit players trying to group up or solo to level in a zone that should be swarm free. Why should the innocents who are trying to legit level in a zone have to leave said zone to avoid 1000 trains just so people can power level. Quite disappointed with the outcome velks has had to endure. Quite disappointed for the innocents who are just trying to level.

some will say petition rat on them and I agree. But, how many times must we have to report for zone disruption before something is finally done about it?

[cd288]

Personally I just think the rule should be Bards can't swarm in any "dungeon" zone. Solves the problem completely.

[Toxigen]

nah op you're 100% right

its insane this is allowed in velk

[Ennewi]

A custom change that would retain the classic feel and cut down on petitions...

The highest level phase spiders spawn farther in the zone, meaning beyond a certain point only those summon, with the benefit of offering more xp and perhaps higher droprates. But also include a rare chance for a higher level spider to spawn near the zone-in, just to keep bards on their toes.

[Toxigen]

or just make spiders in velk summon

fuck PLing bards

[Ennewi]

fuck PL

Agreed!

[enjchanter]

i made so much plat selling swarms

[Sizar]

You can "legit level" in DN instead if you want..try it out. And no i'm not a swarming bard

[WarpathEQ]

Why should you be handed a camp that is clearly already camped?

What are you doing hanging out by the zone in when that whole area is already being swarmed?

Why are you even in Velks in the first place?

I don't share the same concerns with a bard swarm kiting there because there is really no reason that it would be an issue. Anything in velks worth camping is away from the area a swarming bard would be pulling from, swarming, ect.

I would advise not standing in the bard's swarm path uselessly staring at them killing mobs (this applies to every zone not just velks) while crying about how you can only get exp if you get good. These servers aren't exactly crowded there are plenty of places you can go to exp free from interruption.

[PatChapp]

Just pull out of their swarms, let the bard pull for you

[nvidor]

Why should you be handed a camp that is clearly already camped?

What are you doing hanging out by the zone in when that whole area is already being swarmed?

Why are you even in Velks in the first place?

I don't share the same concerns with a bard swarm kiting there because there is really no reason that it would be an issue. Anything in velks worth camping is away from the area a swarming bard would be pulling from, swarming, ect.

I would advise not standing in the bard's swarm path uselessly staring at them killing mobs (this applies to every zone not just velks) while crying about how you can only get exp if you get good. These servers aren't exactly crowded there are plenty of places you can go to exp free from interruption.

That is the most moronic logic I've ever heard. Why am I at zone in? Because I can be and that's where I choose to level. Why should I who has been at a camp spot for hours have to deal with a new bard entering the zone taking everything despite the camp being claimed by you. Why is it fair to me that I'm exping perfectly fine no issues to have a bard come in pulling above and below you despite saying its camped. Do you now understand how foolish your statement was? Its one thing if I enter a zone and its already being swarmed its a completely different situation when I've been in said zone for hours to have it sniped from a bard who just wants to make plat.

Lets not leave out the fact that I can calmly try and speak with the bard about boundaries to be told oh if you want that named you better paci the mobs. So I'm having to paci my already held down camp and losing more mobs above because pathing is so bad that it yanks everything. I should not have to paci my own camp just to hold it down when I've been there for a long time.

[Toxigen]

Why are you even in Velks in the first place?



velk has a great zem and it isnt karnors, is convenient to town and ring - ent has enough mobs to support a larger group pulling all the trash up towards CE

could be utilized a lot more

send the bards elsewhere

pretty cringe post by you honestly

[enjchanter]

I'd love for them to bring DN back

[busted]

+1000

Ban bard swarms in dungeons.

Bard swarms in velks/DN is pretty much the same thing as chardok AOE groups. Just 1 person is doing it and running in a circle.

Summoning spiders in velks will make it harder for chanters/bards/druids/shamans that kill there solo. So IDK about this.

I'd recommend a server rule.

If dungeon swarms are banned... where will these jokers move to though? Let's consider second order effects.

[Ennewi]

Can't wait for another nerf to bards. Happens almost as much as Dark and Darker.

[enjchanter]

Go play an instanced server imo
Insane how many ppl hate instanced content but rage at ppl being in their zones

[nvidor]

Go play an instanced server imo
Insane how many ppl hate instanced content but rage at ppl being in their zones

When I'm the first person at the camp and I have been there for hours why should I have to ask a bard to not mess with the mobs I have been killing for hours? Why should I have to go play an instanced server because a bard wants to make plat? How about they out there and farm hill giants and ice giants and all the other complete legit plat farms. Not ruin someones morning because they are gonna make 200k for 1 level on the person they are power leveling. So they get rewarded x3 they run off the person at their camp and they get paid 200k and they get the loot from said camp. All we are asking for here is some courtesy.

Do you think I would be here wasting my time if the bards I would speak with doing it compromised or not told me to paci my own camp if I want it. If I could be spoken to in a civil manner then this would not be happening. But, a ton of them are just some elite raiding guild bard who thinks they own the server and all the mobs and can do as they please. So here us little guys are asking for a change since 90% of those bards do not wish to communicate positively but instead demand you to do things to keep your own camp. Sounds quite logical for me to move servers for asking for courtesy I suppose.

[spoil]

Summoning spiders in velks will make it harder for chanters/bards/druids/shamans that kill there solo. So IDK about this.

I'd recommend a server rule.


They should be harder, those Frenzy / CE spiders are made of paper. For example the Frenzied Broodling hits for 155 max. The Brood Master hits for 260, unstunnable, summons, and his rare drops are worse.

I think the ease of a camp also encourages degenerate behavior where some meth-head can monopolize it for like 14 hours a day.

[busted]

nvidor is correct. Has nothing to do with other people in the zone. Has everything to do with zone interference.

The swarming bard can't control the mobs and they train into other camps and take mobs. Or the spiders fall, or they get stuck in a zig zag aggro loop.

All and all very bad.

I had a heck of a time trying to level there with my SK when bards kept training spiders into my active kills.

The more the merrier are welcome in Velks. You just camp monopolize the entire zone and cause chaos to others around you.

Velks is now off limits to bard swarms. Tell your friends.

[Toxigen]

They should be harder, those Frenzy / CE spiders are made of paper. For example the Frenzied Broodling hits for 155 max. The Brood Master hits for 260, unstunnable, summons, and his rare drops are worse.

I think the ease of a camp also encourages degenerate behavior where some meth-head can monopolize it for like 14 hours a day.

like horza lol

[Vador981]

DN is such a crapshow of a zone since spiders started summoning. Used to be fairly well organized, constructs always parked out of the way (mostly). Now you never know what you're going to zone into. Was much nicer when bards kept the zone tidy in DN.

[cd288]

Velks is now off limits to bard swarms. Tell your friends.

Honestly you could probably just start spreading this rumor around that the staff said they'll start punishing Bards for power level swarming there and like half the bards might just take your word for it

[Alam Mchealer]

10% a swarm at lvl 60 in velks. somebodyyyyy stop meeee

[Toxigen]

just steal mobs off the bard kite

[cd288]

Or just accidentally cause a massive train from deep in the zone onto the swarming Bard. As we've said, the pathing in Velks is just so crazy you never know when half the zone could suddenly show up at the entrance.

"Oh sorry we messed up our pull for the third time and no we don't have a rezzer here" ...30% exp loss will eliminate the power levelers real quick.

(That was a joke, don't ban me staff)

[WarpathEQ]

Gotta love the entitlement here. Talking about "My camp". If you've been at a camp for hours and say you've claimed the camp then why are there so many mobs up that require you to be pacifying multiple mobs to get to another mob? You can't "claim" a camp and leave the majority of the mobs up at the same time.

Here's some simple solutions for you, although based on the complaining tone I don't suspect that's the actual outcome you seek from this thread.

Solution 1: Actually hold down a camp if you don't want competition. If there aren't any mobs up and you're killing mobs as they spawn there's not really anything anyone can do to come in and take "your camp". Especially if their strategy involves kiting a large number of mobs.

Solution 2: Related to solution 1, choose a camp that you can actually hold down...If you're only capable of killing 4 mobs every spawn cycle and there are 20 spawns in that area than the majority of players are going to come in over the top of you because you're really just wasting the camp at that point and doing the opposite of holding it down.

Solution 3: Go somewhere else. I go back to the question of why are you at the entrance? Velks is a large zone and rarely has more than 1-3 people (usually enchanters) that are killing anything beyond the main room at zone in. You have pacify you can go virtually anywhere else in the zone, along with many other zones, to have an uncontested camp.

Solution 4: Get good. Learn how to compete. Alter your strategies to monopolize the mobs that you're after or to make it more difficult for others that also want to compete in that area. Let's be honest the majority of players on P99 are weak willed and when you actually are capable of standing your ground in a way that's not productive for them to also be there they usually leave fairly quickly.

[Vivitron]

Velks pathing really is a bummer. On my bard I found the whole frenzy/crystal eyes area uncamped, so figured I would ae it in the safe hall. One spider bravely marched off the path and glitched to the floor, now instead of a camp I have a Zone Disruption.

Two big bugs:

1. Spiders can fall off the ledge even when the person they're pathing to is on their level.

2. Spiders typically can't path to a moving player on a different level, so the spider remains a potential disruption for the entire duration of the bard's kite.

[cd288]

Gotta love the entitlement here. Talking about "My camp". If you've been at a camp for hours and say you've claimed the camp then why are there so many mobs up that require you to be pacifying multiple mobs to get to another mob? You can't "claim" a camp and leave the majority of the mobs up at the same time.

Here's some simple solutions for you, although based on the complaining tone I don't suspect that's the actual outcome you seek from this thread.

Solution 1: Actually hold down a camp if you don't want competition. If there aren't any mobs up and you're killing mobs as they spawn there's not really anything anyone can do to come in and take "your camp". Especially if their strategy involves kiting a large number of mobs.

Solution 2: Related to solution 1, choose a camp that you can actually hold down...If you're only capable of killing 4 mobs every spawn cycle and there are 20 spawns in that area than the majority of players are going to come in over the top of you because you're really just wasting the camp at that point and doing the opposite of holding it down.

Solution 3: Go somewhere else. I go back to the question of why are you at the entrance? Velks is a large zone and rarely has more than 1-3 people (usually enchanters) that are killing anything beyond the main room at zone in. You have pacify you can go virtually anywhere else in the zone, along with many other zones, to have an uncontested camp.

Solution 4: Get good. Learn how to compete. Alter your strategies to monopolize the mobs that you're after or to make it more difficult for others that also want to compete in that area. Let's be honest the majority of players on P99 are weak willed and when you actually are capable of standing your ground in a way that's not productive for them to also be there they usually leave fairly quickly.

This dude clearly hasn't spent that much time in Velks lol

[WarpathEQ]

This dude clearly hasn't spent that much time in Velks lol

Certainly not at the cesspool of an entrance. I like to spend my time in Velks doing useful things like lower/upper dogs or killing Velk/Lord Bob. It doesn't take more than a few minutes of hanging out at the entrance to realize the long list of other places you could go that would serve you much better.

Its pretty much the equivalent of high level bards and enchanters that need to group for exp, just write it off and move on.

[Toxigen]

kinda miss the days of sebilis being absolutely full of big xp groups

[busted]

Bards are banned from Velks. Go to burning woods to swarm

Any swarms seen will be rooted and if the problem persists the bard will be ported to the middle of Timorous Deep.

[nvidor]

Gotta love the entitlement here. Talking about "My camp". If you've been at a camp for hours and say you've claimed the camp then why are there so many mobs up that require you to be pacifying multiple mobs to get to another mob? You can't "claim" a camp and leave the majority of the mobs up at the same time.

Here's some simple solutions for you, although based on the complaining tone I don't suspect that's the actual outcome you seek from this thread.

Solution 1: Actually hold down a camp if you don't want competition. If there aren't any mobs up and you're killing mobs as they spawn there's not really anything anyone can do to come in and take "your camp". Especially if their strategy involves kiting a large number of mobs.

Solution 2: Related to solution 1, choose a camp that you can actually hold down...If you're only capable of killing 4 mobs every spawn cycle and there are 20 spawns in that area than the majority of players are going to come in over the top of you because you're really just wasting the camp at that point and doing the opposite of holding it down.

Solution 3: Go somewhere else. I go back to the question of why are you at the entrance? Velks is a large zone and rarely has more than 1-3 people (usually enchanters) that are killing anything beyond the main room at zone in. You have pacify you can go virtually anywhere else in the zone, along with many other zones, to have an uncontested camp.

Solution 4: Get good. Learn how to compete. Alter your strategies to monopolize the mobs that you're after or to make it more difficult for others that also want to compete in that area. Let's be honest the majority of players on P99 are weak willed and when you actually are capable of standing your ground in a way that's not productive for them to also be there they usually leave fairly quickly.

Ahh another dumb comment and logic. Why is it the accounts that are newer are the ones who make troll statements?

Entitled you say? So asking a bard to not pull mobs above me on a camp I've held down for hours all by myself with no troubles at all is me being entitled. How about the bards stop feeling entitled to do as they wish?

I hold my camp down just fine even with a bard in the zone. Asking for courtesy though so we players do not have to put in extra work to hold something down we have already been holding down for hours.

Why should I go somewhere else? Why should the bard who has not been in the zone for hours win? Why should they get all the mobs? Why are they not looking like ok crap I see CE or frenzy is camped I better just pull the bottom floor. Instead they pull everything with no care in the world nor warnings.

If you find me entitled for asking bards to not mess with the camp I'm killing then your brain is just broken not even a little but completely.

Again I'm asked why I'm in velks.... Because I effin can be? Why do I kill the mobs I do? Because I effin can. Velks is a very viable and smart choice of a exping zone. You have a bank and merchants who are not kos to anyone other than those who wreck their faction. You have risk free banking. You have armor gems that drop that will be needed to make said armor.

So my big question to you is.... why even speak if your gonna make moronic comments and logics.

As an enchanter we leave multiple mobs up at once for a reason. We have pets we leave in place to not mess with the 27 minute spawn rotations. We can only kill so fast. We can easily clear CE to the top with no issues. But, there are those times you get up to piss or grab a snack and you have a few extra spawns than normal. So you end up needing to paci to get things back in rotation. So during times I let a mob or two spawn paci is needed at that point. You should try and enchanter some day and in velks. My camps named stay dead. My camps trash normally stays dead unless i miss a rotation which is quickly fixed.

Now to the bigger point. I kill all my mobs just fine. This DOES NOT cancel out the bards mobs from pathing top to bottom. So in my spot in my camp where I can not be in illusion and be just fine that is wrecked. I now have to ensure my illusion is on because the bards mobs are pathing through my area that's cleared noticing me either killing me then or possibly returning if the bard fails the kite. Which this risk would be non-existent in a normal eq setting. But, because the bard wants to swarm I'm put at a greater risk if they fail their kite.

Do you even brain?

[cd288]

Ahh another dumb comment and logic. Why is it the accounts that are newer are the ones who make troll statements?

Because he's obviously someone who was banned on his last account and has so little going on in his life that his response to being banned isn't to move on, it's to make another account. This is probably like his 4th or 5th forum account if I had to guess.

As for your other points, you're absolutely correct. Hence why I said that guy sounds like he hasn't spent much time in Velks (or even playing certain classes).

[ragontx]

Just remove swarming on bards like Quarm ...4 mobs only at a time and they have a max pull ..so yeah bards can't get more than a certain amount of mobs and songs only hit 4 at a time.

[nvidor]

Because he's obviously someone who was banned on his last account and has so little going on in his life that his response to being banned isn't to move on, it's to make another account. This is probably like his 4th or 5th forum account if I had to guess.

As for your other points, you're absolutely correct. Hence why I said that guy sounds like he hasn't spent much time in Velks (or even playing certain classes).

Indeed. Im not pissed I am just sick of them not having courtesy. Speak with me coordinate your pull so I know to prepare to ensure illusion is on ensure im not currently fighting to pull agro when they run past.

I will say to the very very few bards I have ran across who do this very thing Thank you for being understanding doing whats right for yourself and your fellow players. To those who just zone in and start mass pulling get bent. lol

[Toxigen]

Just remove swarming on bards like Quarm ...4 mobs only at a time and they have a max pull ..so yeah bards can't get more than a certain amount of mobs and songs only hit 4 at a time.

that would be hilarious

never gonna happen tho

[WarpathEQ]

Ahh another dumb comment and logic. Why is it the accounts that are newer are the ones who make troll statements?

Entitled you say? So asking a bard to not pull mobs above me on a camp I've held down for hours all by myself with no troubles at all is me being entitled. How about the bards stop feeling entitled to do as they wish?

I hold my camp down just fine even with a bard in the zone. Asking for courtesy though so we players do not have to put in extra work to hold something down we have already been holding down for hours.

Why should I go somewhere else? Why should the bard who has not been in the zone for hours win? Why should they get all the mobs? Why are they not looking like ok crap I see CE or frenzy is camped I better just pull the bottom floor. Instead they pull everything with no care in the world nor warnings.

If you find me entitled for asking bards to not mess with the camp I'm killing then your brain is just broken not even a little but completely.

Again I'm asked why I'm in velks.... Because I effin can be? Why do I kill the mobs I do? Because I effin can. Velks is a very viable and smart choice of a exping zone. You have a bank and merchants who are not kos to anyone other than those who wreck their faction. You have risk free banking. You have armor gems that drop that will be needed to make said armor.

So my big question to you is.... why even speak if your gonna make moronic comments and logics.

As an enchanter we leave multiple mobs up at once for a reason. We have pets we leave in place to not mess with the 27 minute spawn rotations. We can only kill so fast. We can easily clear CE to the top with no issues. But, there are those times you get up to piss or grab a snack and you have a few extra spawns than normal. So you end up needing to paci to get things back in rotation. So during times I let a mob or two spawn paci is needed at that point. You should try and enchanter some day and in velks. My camps named stay dead. My camps trash normally stays dead unless i miss a rotation which is quickly fixed.

Now to the bigger point. I kill all my mobs just fine. This DOES NOT cancel out the bards mobs from pathing top to bottom. So in my spot in my camp where I can not be in illusion and be just fine that is wrecked. I now have to ensure my illusion is on because the bards mobs are pathing through my area that's cleared noticing me either killing me then or possibly returning if the bard fails the kite. Which this risk would be non-existent in a normal eq setting. But, because the bard wants to swarm I'm put at a greater risk if they fail their kite.

Do you even brain?

I've taken the liberty of bolding all of the entitled statements you made in just this one post alone since you're so blinded by it. Its hilarious how you put everything in the context of I can do anything but they can only do what I deem is ok. Maybe only child syndrome is a better way to define it.

The great irony of complaining about how someone else chooses to kill mobs while righteously proclaiming that your way is the only appropriate way.

Obviously you can't hold down the camp without issue or you wouldn't have created an entire cry thread on the forums. Also highly recommend reading the definition of holding down a camp in the PNP, I assure you it doesn't involve consistently leaving mobs up.

Basically your purview is that if you are somewhere, nobody else should be allowed to compete in that area or use the tools available to their class to compete the same way you would use your classes tools. Sorry to burst your bubble but that's the literal exact opposite of how EQ has worked since 99 and its never going to change. Hence why someone recommended you explore other platforms that offer instanced content as its the only solution that will stop you from crying.

The reality is other people are coming into the zone killing all the mobs that you're leaving up and instead of getting better and finding better ways to optimize killing the mobs you want to, all you do is cry about what other people are doing.

[WarpathEQ]

Because he's obviously someone who was banned on his last account and has so little going on in his life that his response to being banned isn't to move on, it's to make another account. This is probably like his 4th or 5th forum account if I had to guess.

As for your other points, you're absolutely correct. Hence why I said that guy sounds like he hasn't spent much time in Velks (or even playing certain classes).

Naaa 1 and only account, You'll notice I only post on the forums Tues-Thurs on the days where I'm required to be physically in the office getting paid to post on the forums. Gotta love when people that have been on here for 5 or 9 years project no life on the person that's been here for 1 though. The irony is strong in this thread!

[busted]

Just remove swarming on bards like Quarm ...4 mobs only at a time and they have a max pull ..so yeah bards can't get more than a certain amount of mobs and songs only hit 4 at a time.

Woah woah woah. Lets not get to hasty here. We just need a server rule to stop bards from swarming specifically in velks. Go swarm in BW where no one ever is

[cd288]

Naaa 1 and only account, You'll notice I only post on the forums Tues-Thurs on the days where I'm required to be physically in the office getting paid to post on the forums. Gotta love when people that have been on here for 5 or 9 years project no life on the person that's been here for 1 though. The irony is strong in this thread!

Suuuuure. You're totally just a brand new person to P99 who showed up in 2023. Uh huh. We all definitely believe you.

[Toxigen]

Suuuuure. You're totally just a brand new person to P99 who showed up in 2023. Uh huh. We all definitely believe you.

his very first post (was a thread)

https://project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3626589#post3626589

lol yeah first timer EH?

[WarpathEQ]

his very first post (was a thread)

https://project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3626589#post3626589

lol yeah first timer EH?

What a blast to go back and review that. Funny how many parallels there are to this thread like the hilarious amount of irony and crying.

[nvidor]

What a blast to go back and review that. Funny how many parallels there are to this thread like the hilarious amount of irony and crying.

Cool you have bolded some words. So if your at a spot in the game killing what do you label the spot your killing? Is it your camp? Is it your mobs? Is it your area if your keep the spawns killed? If you have been in a spot for 5 hours and I come in pulling from your area doesn't this mean I'm killing mobs in YOUR CAMP? How do you label a area that your killing?

Funny you take the time to worry about how things are worded when your not even using your brain logically. Hopefully your not in velks one day killing for hours having a blast and have a bard come in barking orders for you to follow if you wish to keep killing in said zone.

If you put more effort into understanding this problem as you do focusing on specific words you would understand. Instead you are trying to be the bards white knight savior and failing at it.

Are you sticking up for those who disrupt zones with no care because you in fact get power leveled by said methods mentioned in this post? Cause any normal player in the game will highly disagree with your horrible logic. Only those who benefit from it find it ok.

Sorry, it doesn't work that way.

If we are wrong about this situation so be it. As of right now GM's take actions against these bards. Meaning this is not ok in their eyes either. You petition a gm comes in and handles the problem with swiftness. The problem is we should not have to report said player IMO. It should just be a flat out rule if your in a zone alone do as you wish if someone is in there show courtesy or move to another zone.

[WarpathEQ]

Cool you have bolded some words. So if your at a spot in the game killing what do you label the spot your killing? Is it your camp? Is it your mobs? Is it your area if your keep the spawns killed? If you have been in a spot for 5 hours and I come in pulling from your area doesn't this mean I'm killing mobs in YOUR CAMP? How do you label a area that your killing?


Funny you take the time to worry about how things are worded when your not even using your brain logically. Hopefully your not in velks one day killing for hours having a blast and have a bard come in barking orders for you to follow if you wish to keep killing in said zone.

If you put more effort into understanding this problem as you do focusing on specific words you would understand. Instead you are trying to be the bards white knight savior and failing at it.

Are you sticking up for those who disrupt zones with no care because you in fact get power leveled by said methods mentioned in this post? Cause any normal player in the game will highly disagree with your horrible logic. Only those who benefit from it find it ok.

Sorry, it doesn't work that way.

If we are wrong about this situation so be it. As of right now GM's take actions against these bards. Meaning this is not ok in their eyes either. You petition a gm comes in and handles the problem with swiftness. The problem is we should not have to report said player IMO. It should just be a flat out rule if your in a zone alone do as you wish if someone is in there show courtesy or move to another zone.


Its not my anything that's the point. I'm not entitled to anything, my ability to hold down a "camp" or spawns is directly correlated to my ability to obtain FTE on each mob, kill the mob, and FTE and kill the mob immediately upon it respawning over and over until I leave. If someone comes in and kills a mob that I desire I don't petition or make a cry thread on the forums. I mark down the TOD and I prepare to be there for FTE on respawn. If there are no mobs alive there are no mobs to take, train, or swarm and you won't have issues or conflicts with other players. When someone comes into an area where I'm camping out they leave because there is nothing for them to do other than watch me sitting on top of the next spawn point waiting for the mob to pop on top of me.

I fully understand the issue, never once will I contend that the pathing near the entrance in Velks would benefit from some dev work or the viable strats enchanters use to solo. Every class has strengths and limitations, what I will contest is that there should never be dialogue, rules, or GM action against players for playing to the strengths of their class, within the rules of the game, to benefit other players based solely on their feeling of entitlement. Like are we really advocating for rules that solely benefit enchanters? Widely regarded as the most powerful solo class in the game, really? Nothing in this thread that you've described is against the PNP policy, a bard came into the zone, grouped up a bunch of mobs that were sitting there un-agro'd at their spawn points and kited them around in a relatively small portion of a zone that is often near empty, a strategy that is employed by a variety of classes in a variety of zones and is tightly engrained in the meta of the majority of the most desired raid mobs in the game. Aside from grouping to tank and spank mobs its likely the #1 way that experience is earned on P99.

Would love to see evidence of all this swift action that GMs are supposedly taking against bards in Velks. Kites and train outs have been litigated tooth and nail in the UN for the entire year I've been around and I'm talking about ones that actually are intended to disrupt entire raid forces and I have yet to see punishment given by the GMs (aside from an actual raid boss being directly trained on top of and killing a raid force, far different from what we're discussing here i.e. training Trakanon on top of poop mountain).

Just because your unwilling or unable to hear the logic doesn't mean that logic isn't being used. I've continued to come back to two statements in this thread. Why are you at the velks entrace? And get good. I don't say this because you shouldn't be allowed to be at velks entrance. Good news for you, you are in fact ENTITLED to be at the velks entrance any time you want! But if instead of complaining, you took a moment to look around at what the top enchanters do, you would find one key difference in why you're here complaining while they are in the game winning.

You see top enchanters, like top players of any class, understand their strengths and limitations and play to them. That's why you see enchanters employ these strats doing it deep inside of zones where its very hard for other players to get to without a significant force to clear the way. Unlike you, they don't expect the rest of the server to completely change the way they play just to avoid any contact with you. Which is why I previously rattled off multiple locations, in the same zone, that would be more fruitful for you. Its why others have suggested that you might fair better in a world where the content is instanced.

YOU are the common denominator here. YOUR logic is that everyone else should do as you see fit, yet you should do nothing that others see fit. YOU expect others to work around you, yet you expect not to work around others. Once you look in the mirror and change the behaviors that are causing these issues you will find that the issues were in your power to resolve in the first place by looking at your own behavior and not crying about others. Once you learn this lesson not only will you get good at EQ, you'll get good at life too.

[cd288]

I really don't think Warpath fully understands the scenario with respect to the structure of Velks, where the camp is you might be at, where the spawns are, and the Bard pulling from further in the zone/pathing issues etc.

He's basically coming at this from a general camp rules perspective and not actually thinking with respect to context or nuance. Not really surprising though.

Wonder what he will call his next forum account once this one gets banned again.

[WarpathEQ]

I really don't think Warpath fully understands the scenario with respect to the structure of Velks, where the camp is you might be at, where the spawns are, and the Bard pulling from further in the zone/pathing issues etc.

He's basically coming at this from a general camp rules perspective and not actually thinking with respect to context or nuance. Not really surprising though.

Wonder what he will call his next forum account once this one gets banned again.

Please regale us with your tales of context and nuance and help educate me on everything I'm missing about the, apparently most complicated, special room in all of EQ, clearly its too complicated for a lay person such as myself to understand. After all I would hate to get banned for pulling mobs from a room when there are other humans in that room staring at those mobs. And I certainly wouldn't want to break the cardinal rule of pulling any mobs that do anything other than run directly towards me. Of course that is if I even survive the most bannable offense of choosing to hunt near an entitled enchanter.

[enjchanter]

I'm rdy to start my velk PL swarm service

[nvidor]

Please regale us with your tales of context and nuance and help educate me on everything I'm missing about the, apparently most complicated, special room in all of EQ, clearly its too complicated for a lay person such as myself to understand. After all I would hate to get banned for pulling mobs from a room when there are other humans in that room staring at those mobs. And I certainly wouldn't want to break the cardinal rule of pulling any mobs that do anything other than run directly towards me. Of course that is if I even survive the most bannable offense of choosing to hunt near an entitled enchanter.

Do you exp in velks by chance? If so you would know that 1 spider can go completely haywire. This spider then can travel from the middle to the top to the bottom bringing everything with it. This is not a simple oh crap sorry my mob did that this is a hey bards know exactly what these mobs are gonna do and do it anyhow.

Unless you understand the pathing in velks there really is not much you can bring to the table with this discussion. 1 mob can bring 20 or more. Everyone of those mobs tagging every player it can see on the way down. They are not pulling and thinking sorry my mob went nuts they know its gonna go nuts and do it anyhow.

[nvidor]

I'm rdy to start my velk PL swarm service

After seeing your bards name.... You are one of the ones who had zero care when you first started swarming. Had gm's get you quite a few times due to rudeness of your responses and lack of care. =) What made it worse with your swarms was you was not to good at it and all those mobs ended up pathing up and killing everyone because you died over and over and over.

[enjchanter]

After seeing your bards name.... You are one of the ones who had zero care when you first started swarming. Had gm's get you quite a few times due to rudeness of your responses and lack of care. =) What made it worse with your swarms was you was not to good at it and all those mobs ended up pathing up and killing everyone because you died over and over and over.

Reread my bards name and check ur logs cuz I've literally never had a gm message my bard in my life

But nice story bruv

[enjchanter]

Still no evidence of this baseless slander on my bards name

[Toxigen]

Still no evidence of this baseless slander on my bards name

elf court now in session

[Trexller]

yeah definitely ban swarming in dungeons

[Ripqozko]

Still no evidence of this baseless slander on my bards name

You have to have a name to slander, you'll be fine and invisible