Mage or Necro for farming Droga

[Vanessa]

If I am looking to farm Droga for skins / vendor loot etc. which class would be better for that? Mage or Necro?

Assuming both are lvl 50-55, would there be much of a difference between them?

[Silverback]

I like necro in dungeon where fd really matters if too many adds. Plus much better effective mana regen

[Toxigen]

prob necro but i just hate mages

[PatChapp]

Mage but at 57 not 55. Pets better than necro and you don't need to do anything but swap it out at low health

[cd288]

Personally I would go Necro even if the mage pets are better. You're higher level than the content you're farming, but as a caster a few adds of those guys could still end up being risky for you in a bad situation. Useful to have FD as an option as well as other CC options.

[PatChapp]

You have to try to die in droga at 55+. Everything single pulls. Mage isn't good for much but they are the best for this

[Daddypig]

You have to try to die in droga at 55+. Everything single pulls. Mage isn't good for much but they are the best for this

I hear a lot of people saying this, that when it comes to grinding through green mobs 10 levels or so under you, then Mage is best over Necro for that.
But when I look at the difference in stats on the pets between the 2 classes, I really don't see much difference that would cause Mage pets to tear through mobs much faster than Necro pets.

For example, if you take a 50 Mage and 50 Necro and look at their 49 pets.

Necro - Lvl 41, 2300hp, 55dmg, 24 kick/bash, 42 lifetap proc.
Mage Water - Lvl 41, 2600hp, 56dmg, 25 kick/bash, 42 nuke proc.

So the main difference between is 300hp, 1 top end dmg, 1 kick dmg.
Also both of the Burnout and Augment line give the same 55% haste to pets.

I know some people will argue that you can chain Mage pets easier because the mana cost caps at 200. But thats only for the classic pets up to lvl 49, Kunark ones are like 400+.

Also I understand the damage shield is pretty solid as well and adds quite a bit of dps. But in that same case, would just throwing a single life tap on each mob nearly make up the difference of the dmg shield?

And as a Necro you have crazy good mana regen, so throwing 1 lifetap nuke on each mob isn't that big of a deal. You also have root, fear, mez, and FD for safety.

Like the total toolkit that a Necro gets compared to Mage is objectively much better. But I've always heard that the Mage pets out perform Necro pets by quite and bit, which is why their toolkit isnt as strong as Necro.

But I just don't see what makes the pets so much stronger?
Am I missing or overlooking something?

[Jimjam]

Don’t take this from mages, it is all they have beside coth.

[Toxigen]

I hear a lot of people saying this, that when it comes to grinding through green mobs 10 levels or so under you, then Mage is best over Necro for that.
But when I look at the difference in stats on the pets between the 2 classes, I really don't see much difference that would cause Mage pets to tear through mobs much faster than Necro pets.

For example, if you take a 50 Mage and 50 Necro and look at their 49 pets.

Necro - Lvl 41, 2300hp, 55dmg, 24 kick/bash, 42 lifetap proc.
Mage Water - Lvl 41, 2600hp, 56dmg, 25 kick/bash, 42 nuke proc.

So the main difference between is 300hp, 1 top end dmg, 1 kick dmg.
Also both of the Burnout and Augment line give the same 55% haste to pets.

I know some people will argue that you can chain Mage pets easier because the mana cost caps at 200. But thats only for the classic pets up to lvl 49, Kunark ones are like 400+.

Also I understand the damage shield is pretty solid as well and adds quite a bit of dps. But in that same case, would just throwing a single life tap on each mob nearly make up the difference of the dmg shield?

And as a Necro you have crazy good mana regen, so throwing 1 lifetap nuke on each mob isn't that big of a deal. You also have root, fear, mez, and FD for safety.

Like the total toolkit that a Necro gets compared to Mage is objectively much better. But I've always heard that the Mage pets out perform Necro pets by quite and bit, which is why their toolkit isnt as strong as Necro.

But I just don't see what makes the pets so much stronger?
Am I missing or overlooking something?

its all in the damage shields

[Vaarsuvius]

50-55 I would pick necro, but at 60 I would probably go mage.

I either use a mage with focused air pet & clicky SS robe for a free 25DS (or 33DS with Cadeau of Flame), or necro with Emissary of Thule + duck staff but I could not tell which one is better...

Air pet is great to interrupt casters in Droga, the only thing I do is get rid of those annoying DS on pull, but EoT is more solid if you get 3+ mobs on your pet.

[Balimon]

I hear a lot of people saying this, that when it comes to grinding through green mobs 10 levels or so under you, then Mage is best over Necro for that.
But when I look at the difference in stats on the pets between the 2 classes, I really don't see much difference that would cause Mage pets to tear through mobs much faster than Necro pets.

For example, if you take a 50 Mage and 50 Necro and look at their 49 pets.

Necro - Lvl 41, 2300hp, 55dmg, 24 kick/bash, 42 lifetap proc.
Mage Water - Lvl 41, 2600hp, 56dmg, 25 kick/bash, 42 nuke proc.

So the main difference between is 300hp, 1 top end dmg, 1 kick dmg.
Also both of the Burnout and Augment line give the same 55% haste to pets.

I know some people will argue that you can chain Mage pets easier because the mana cost caps at 200. But thats only for the classic pets up to lvl 49, Kunark ones are like 400+.

Also I understand the damage shield is pretty solid as well and adds quite a bit of dps. But in that same case, would just throwing a single life tap on each mob nearly make up the difference of the dmg shield?

And as a Necro you have crazy good mana regen, so throwing 1 lifetap nuke on each mob isn't that big of a deal. You also have root, fear, mez, and FD for safety.

Like the total toolkit that a Necro gets compared to Mage is objectively much better. But I've always heard that the Mage pets out perform Necro pets by quite and bit, which is why their toolkit isnt as strong as Necro.

But I just don't see what makes the pets so much stronger?
Am I missing or overlooking something?

You would use a focused air pet to farm in droga, water pet is a rogue and a terrible tank. Pull with annul on the first clear and keep the damage shield on pet. At 60 I'd say mages definitely have the edge but before that it's probably a toss up. Necro toolkit isn't needed for farming greens, it's just about how much free damage you can put out. Mages can also use clicky nukes for free to speed it up.

[Krazy/sickpuppy]

There isn’t enough mobs to kill with a mage epic pet .

[Troxx]

I think I remember my 60 bard doing better than either 60 necro or mage over time in this zone.

4 aoe dots (3 string + a brass one) + hym of restoration +/- nivs (strings with a regen component) to heal up. Would face tank them however many at a time.

But yeah, mage and necro are good for this and remarkably close. If I was forced to go do this for a few hours I’d probably choose my necro over the mage. Having cc, taps, heal potential for a max EoT, FD etc makes for a much more enjoyable experience even though the mage with pet + DS will kill a bit faster.

Liftap proc on EoT makes green farming a lot less of a hassle

[ScottBerta]

I took my 60 mage there a while ago and was killing a mob every few seconds (memory may be a little hazy was years ago) but it seemed like every 10 seconds or so a mob was dead. And i could just run along commanding pet to attack mob after mob, room by room and then run back and loot while he went through the mobs in order. I think i used air pet for the stun. It does help though getting a circuit down and killing the respawns as they pop so they don’t buff/DS themselves.

[Toxigen]

op has no 60s but

epic mage > bard > necro w/ all spells > non epic mage

[Daddypig]

I think I remember my 60 bard doing better than either 60 necro or mage over time in this zone.

4 aoe dots (3 string + a brass one) + hym of restoration +/- nivs (strings with a regen component) to heal up. Would face tank them however many at a time.



This is the first time I ever heard someone say that Bards can farm Droga better than a Mage / Necro. Are they really that close in comparison? (Bards)

What exactly would you do. Pull 3-4 mobs and face tank them while twisting 5 songs? (4dots + hynn) ?

[Toxigen]

This is the first time I ever heard someone say that Bards can farm Droga better than a Mage / Necro. Are they really that close in comparison? (Bards)

What exactly would you do. Pull 3-4 mobs and face tank them while twisting 5 songs? (4dots + hynn) ?

no, you'd "swarm"

[Vivitron]

This is the first time I ever heard someone say that Bards can farm Droga better than a Mage / Necro. Are they really that close in comparison? (Bards)

What exactly would you do. Pull 3-4 mobs and face tank them while twisting 5 songs? (4dots + hynn) ?

When I farmed salts/skins/vendor junk on my bard I found (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3559133&postcount=79) I could do about 3 goblins a minute when hurrying on the bard. Ring 10 and some beefiness upgrades would have helped, but I did have fungi and some raid gear.

Like Tox suggested I would pbaoe snare and kite + aoe dot. How many goblins you can pull per kite is a gear check because of all the casters.

I do like Snaggles' comment (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3553163&postcount=48) from the earlier in the same thread where he hilights two takes on it:

Use what you got, love what you love. I understand that. I’m a ranger at heart. If I could clear the bag space I’d prob farm greens with my ranger. It wouldn’t make it good or even the best. That’s ok though. I’d have fun.

That's part of why I was there on my bard. And also that bag space comment rings so true now. But I did find it was more practical than I expected.

And then his endorsement of his mage experience in droga:

Sometimes you just need to kick back and click two buttons.

[PatChapp]

Rangers actually do okay in droga. Cancel magic/regen is huge

[manatoid]

When I farmed salts/skins/vendor junk on my bard I found (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3559133&postcount=79) I could do about 3 goblins a minute when hurrying on the bard.

This probably works out to about 1k/hr or less? A naked braindead mage could do 50% better than that, and you're about half the rate of a mage with a brain.

[Vivitron]

This probably works out to about 1k/hr or less? A naked braindead mage could do 50% better than that, and you're about half the rate of a mage with a brain.

I doubt it; a mage in that thread said goblins lived long enough to click his boots of bladecalling, which is a 17 second click so he realistically wasn't breaking 3/minute after looting and pulling.

[manatoid]

I doubt it; a mage in that thread said goblins lived long enough to click his boots of bladecalling, which is a 17 second click so he realistically wasn't breaking 3/minute after looting and pulling.

No mage said that.

[Vivitron]

No mage said that.

Thank you for the correction; indeed I misremembered the thread.

[Foxplay]

Neither, Epic bard with Singing steel Breastplate

[Master Roshi]

Necro for dungeons, always.

[magnetaress]

Ppl farming droga in 2024 when they could be farming Rafah instead. 🤦

[Trexller]

Ppl farming droga in 2024 when they could be farming Rafah instead. ��

Is there good loot in Rafah?

What lvl is netanyahu? 55?

[Pulgasari]

I doubt it; a mage in that thread said goblins lived long enough to click his boots of bladecalling, which is a 17 second click so he realistically wasn't breaking 3/minute after looting and pulling.

Can click goblins your pet isn't fighting yet aside.

[Trexller]

yeah you can buffer pet attacks on a large number of mobs, at least 20

pet is on one mob, you keep targeting other mobs and clicking pet attack, then go afk and come back and all mobs are dead

[Jimjam]

Pet attack just adds a mob to the pet’s aggro list, right?

Is the pet like other mobs and will forget about things on it’s aggro list if that thing goes too far away or doesn’t exhibit aggression toward the pet for 10+ minutes?

[Balimon]

No mage said that.

They live long enough if you start casting early ie when your pet is still fighting, or there are healers nearby, I feel like you haven't min maxed your droga experience

[Trexller]

Pet attack just adds a mob to the pet’s aggro list, right?

Is the pet like other mobs and will forget about things on it’s aggro list if that thing goes too far away or doesn’t exhibit aggression toward the pet for 10+ minutes?

not sure of the exact mechanics but like at the warsliks goblin fort I'll levi and stand on a building then go around all the spawn points clicking pet attack then watch as my pet w/ velocity/haste buffs buzzes around and kills everything

i have noticed a distance thing, if the mob is too far, the pet won't attack so i click in an order that keeps the next mob near the pet

in droga ill do the same thing, pet will clear the inside and outside area of the soothsayer or rukgus camp, I will use annul magic to pull mobs that are grouped up like more than 3 bc pets are dumb and wont stay on 1 mob

so for this reason, mage wins droga

it was alot better before the mage pet dps nerf of course

I had like 20 CoS's when the nerf hit back in the day on blue, made some real plat that way

[magnetaress]

Is there good loot in Rafah?

What lvl is netanyahu? 55?

Surely lvl 70 with DT. Summons. AoE lifetaps. And can summon multiple other raid bosses in the zone to their aid.

[Trexller]

come to think of it, I might be the reason for both the mage pet DPS and agro nerfs

i made droga my bitch for a long time, and I used to duo CoM black reavers/named with another 60 mage just by summoning new pets when they died

so yeah sorry about that

the neh'ashiir reaver still drops straight down to CoM arena at the broken floor, so we still got that

[Trexller]

Surely lvl 70 with DT. Summons. AoE lifetaps. And can summon multiple other raid bosses in the zone to their aid.

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[manatoid]

They live long enough if you start casting early ie when your pet is still fighting, or there are healers nearby, I feel like you haven't min maxed your droga experience

I'm clicking my robe and casting aoes/rains, not waiting for my stupid boots to cast.