Most gear dependent non-tank?

[Philistine]

Hey all!

I started a warrior because I was drawn to how meaningful gear is for them, and have really enjoyed feeling the impact of getting better and better gear for mine.

My warrior is nearing his final state (not BIS or anything), and I'm trying to decide what to work on next. I'm curious for people's thoughts on what the most gear dependent non-tank class is? When I say "gear dependent" I mean like, the difference between a freshly 60 EC geared toon and a pretty decked out one is particularly noticeable and meaningful in a raiding context.

It might be like a rogue absolutely shreds stuff when geared vs meh when EC + epic, or a bard survives kites way easier with big hp and saves.

I'm reasonably familiar with the game, but am having trouble focusing in on something and am interested to hear what people think!

Anyone have thoughts on it?

Thanks!

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I assume by tank you strictly mean Warrior/Paladin/Shadowknight only. I just want to clarify since Monks aren't a tank class, but are quite tanky.

Melee-wise Rogue/Monk/Ranger will all see noticeable gains with great gear as opposed to meh EC or self found gear.

Caster-wise Shamans see a large boost in power when fully geared. Having Epic, Fungi Tunic, Fungi Staff, JBB, and Black Fur Boots is much stronger than a Shaman with just basic EC gear filling their slots while leveling. Torpor is a game changer too. You will play differently once you get Torpor.

[Gustoo]

Is there really more level 60 shamans than there are copies of torpor?

[Trexller]

Is there really more level 60 shamans than there are copies of torpor?

Doubt it. Not too long ago i offered a fungi for torpor. Got one instantly

[spoil]

Shamanquest is real. Lots of people want to solo farm stuff, few can play enchanter.

[PatChapp]

Yeah shaman has the lazy playstyle appeal, but a lot of people abandon them when they get finished.
Kinda boring at 60.

[Evia]

My vote is for Monk or Ranger. I think they're a lot of fun to gear up, and noticeable when you get a big upgrade. Rogue was pretty fun as well...but idk I think Monk or Ranger would be a bit more noticeable.

[Scroll]

Monk.

[Toxigen]

its monk by a mile

[cd288]

My vote is for Monk or Ranger. I think they're a lot of fun to gear up, and noticeable when you get a big upgrade. Rogue was pretty fun as well...but idk I think Monk or Ranger would be a bit more noticeable.

Generally agree if we're talking "noticeable" in terms of just general feel/at a glance

But if you're parsing DPS in a raid context, a really well geared Rogue can be unreal in terms of seeing the output

[Troxx]

Most gear dependent non-tank?

Monk, then Ranger imo. Assuming we’re not strictly talking BiS gear a rogue with epic plus any decent off-hander will function very well compared to a rogue with non-BiS medium+ tier gear. The difference between a properly geared Ranger/monk vs that same Ranger/monk in EC gear will be substantial.

[Toxigen]

You're going to feel the benefits of good gear on a monk more than any other.

[busted]

I'm gonna say Bard.

Get a https://wiki.project1999.com/Silver_Whip_of_Rage and https://wiki.project1999.com/Essence_Mace and you become a beast. I suppose this setup would work with ranger too.

Add in a https://wiki.project1999.com/Ring_of_Dain_Frostreaver_IV + https://wiki.project1999.com/Fungus_Covered_Scale_Tunic and you are really cookin'

Once you gear your bard, you can kill many things (without kiting) by slowing + face tanking and twisting heal songs (w/ primary lute) + dot.

I call this setup the "Battle Bard". People will laugh but it's pretty fun setup.

WIP battle bard here https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:Phenomic

[azeth]

Epic rogue + a ToV weapon is hardly behind a Mrylokars rogue. Don't get me wrong, they're still behind but not by miles.

It's definitely monk

[Vivitron]

Part of the reason monk is such a strong answer is geared monks blur back into the tank category. But I think even if you exclude tanking monks might win out.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Part of the reason monk is such a strong answer is geared monks blur back into the tank category. But I think even if you exclude tanking monks might win out.

I think it depends on what content OP wants to experience.

Monk has basically 5 key items that will give you a noticeable boost while leveling if you just want to purchase them:

1. Fungi Tunic
2. T-Staff
3. 34%+ Haste Item
4. Epic
5. WR Bags

After that you generally need to raid to see significant gains from items.

A Shaman has a few more key items that will give you a noticeable boost while leveling if you just want to purchase them:

1. Fungi Tunic
2. Fungi Staff
3. JBB
4. Epic
5. Black Fur Boots
6. Torpor (Changes your playstyle)
7. Malo
8. Bane
9. Pox
10. Level 55 Pet
11. Haste item and Weapon for levels 1-40.

I'd say a Shaman has more noticeable upgrades while leveling. A Monk has more noticeable upgrades when raiding.

[Philistine]

Thanks for all the replies guys! I've enjoyed reading the responses. Some are what I kind of expected to hear and some I didn't!

I am mostly interested in raid application.

So as monks gear in a raid application I assume you feel the upgrades in the forms of higher dps, taking less ae damage, and having more hp to survive pulls and aes?

[cd288]

Thanks for all the replies guys! I've enjoyed reading the responses. Some are what I kind of expected to hear and some I didn't!

I am mostly interested in raid application.

So as monks gear in a raid application I assume you feel the upgrades in the forms of higher dps, taking less ae damage, and having more hp to survive pulls and aes?

On my Monk while raiding I wouldn't say I actively notice a huge difference unless someone is parsing the damage in which case I could go compare back to different builds. But who has time in real time to devote energy to monitoring your specific DPS number on a raid

Increasing resists stats was noticeable, but that would be the case for any class and the real difference maker there was just the level of the player character anyway.

[azeth]

Thanks for all the replies guys! I've enjoyed reading the responses. Some are what I kind of expected to hear and some I didn't!

I am mostly interested in raid application.

So as monks gear in a raid application I assume you feel the upgrades in the forms of higher dps, taking less ae damage, and having more hp to survive pulls and aes?

Yea, survival gear first then collect dkp to get some dps stuff

[Keebz]

If we're talking raiding roles only then it's probably monk because they actually do things. Extra survivability on a monk is great for pulling, AEs fights, enables ramp/tanking some fights, etc.

The other melees are basically just auto attacking or staying out of combat (bard).

Shout out to Cleric. Having a massive mana pool and toys (namely, hosh stick, sky neck, etc) can carry a weak chain. Playing a geared cleric feels real good.

[darkreap]

I feel that rangers get the biggest upgrade from gear. Monks mitigate damage well regardless and have so many options for weapons that they will out dps most warriors/rangers and some rogues. They are solo beasts already.

Rangers on the other hand are weak dps and have terrible damage mitigation. They are relatively poor soloers but if you get them some high end items, they can increase their damage output and mitigation to levels that rival (decent) geared monks.

Fungi tunic
Earthcaller/swiftwind
Dark cloak of the sky
Quest some HoT armor and BoBs
ToV main hand weapon and you’re set.

[Toxigen]

id take a full bis monk over any other class any day

[Snaggles]

A ranger with Ntov weapons, BFG, dark cloak of the sky, Earthcaller, Tolan BP, Tolan bracer is a completely different class. I’d still enjoy a basic ranger but the flexibility of a top tier one is notable. Especially with wolf form, 8dmg arrows and meme disc dps for 2mins.

Monks and warriors scale the best with top gear but they are pretty damn great with the basics too. A IFS or Peacebringer monk at 60 with a very easy epic is a solid melee for anyone.

[Keebz]

I've never heard of a well geared ranger doing anything particularly cool solo or in raids, but would love to hear stories.

Trueshot / BFG dps on certain raid targets is a fun party trick, but is there anything else?

[evilwizard]

not many mentions of casters here, and there isn't really a specific scenario in which this gear dependent character is being used for in the original question, so i'm going to throw a curveball here-

enchanters are probably the most broken class in this timeline. however, there is a very noticeable difference between a 60 ench with non-raid gear vs epic + raid gear and quested spells.

for example- 60 ench with epic + zlandicar's heart + boon can sustainably kill seafuries, chain pulling, with zero downtime.

if your goal is to have a character that can endlessly farm plat solo, i'd say ench or necro is the way to go. shamans are a close second, but certain endgame items are way more expensive for them as opposed to an enchanter. however, being a neckbeard in the top guild and getting a pass on selling raid loot is obviously going to outweigh any class/gear combination if acquiring platinum is your goal. if it's just cool factor and not the ability to solo things, i'd say ranger or paladin.

[Keebz]

not many mentions of casters here

Speaking for raiding, without the various clickies and banes wizards are pretty useless as DPS outside of the 32k dragons.

Of course the TLs and kiting roles are not gear dependent at all. Though with ring 10, zlandi and a couple AOB items you could kite vulak guards without losing hp to acid jet, which would be a flex.

[spoil]

A tunnel-geared enchanter can solo the hardest mobs in the game that are possible for anyone to solo. Especially when you have clickies like wand of allure and maybe a reaper charge.

I've never played a raid-geared enchanter but I imagine it would be a bit like playing my own enchanter only with PoTG and symbol, etc. So way more tanky, take less damage/survive on charm breaks and a bigger mana pool/more mana regen with FT8 so you can cast costly spells like rapture, etc. when needed. Way more efficient -- all else being equal. An average player is only going to be an average enchanter, I don't care what gear they have.

[Snaggles]

BFG and Trueshot gives a ranger 2 mins of rogue like damage. Not a good use on AoW but lots of raid targets which are valid for use and are burn down fights. Vindi or any 32k hp and under targets.

With ToV weapons they can do status-quo monk dps. Self hasted to 91% with the cloak. Able to slow raid mobs with an EC or Swarmcaller (but in my experience most who try use an EC).

It’s less that the toys make the class broken-good. Just more flexible and actually solid. A base one with basic stuff is far less capable where as a monk with a PB or EC geared epic rogue is very performant on the parse. Knights can get a Reaver or Narandi for like 6k.

[Toxigen]

A tunnel-geared enchanter can solo the hardest mobs in the game that are possible for anyone to solo. Especially when you have clickies like wand of allure and maybe a reaper charge.

I've never played a raid-geared enchanter but I imagine it would be a bit like playing my own enchanter only with PoTG and symbol, etc. So way more tanky, take less damage/survive on charm breaks and a bigger mana pool/more mana regen with FT8 so you can cast costly spells like rapture, etc. when needed. Way more efficient -- all else being equal. An average player is only going to be an average enchanter, I don't care what gear they have.

near bis enchanter is just basically giving you the keys to pilot your enc blackout drunk

btw i dont care what a ranger can do you're not matching a BiS monk no matter how hard you try

pick any class to be full BiS and its monk by a mile...or warrior if you're into tanking

[enjchanter]

A tunnel-geared enchanter can solo the hardest mobs in the game that are possible for anyone to solo. Especially when you have clickies like wand of allure and maybe a reaper charge.

I've never played a raid-geared enchanter but I imagine it would be a bit like playing my own enchanter only with PoTG and symbol, etc. So way more tanky, take less damage/survive on charm breaks and a bigger mana pool/more mana regen with FT8 so you can cast costly spells like rapture, etc. when needed. Way more efficient -- all else being equal. An average player is only going to be an average enchanter, I don't care what gear they have.

As a nearly bis enchanter, this is pretty much it

I usually play other games while I wait for my charm pet to kill stuff and I just tab in if charm breaks


If I'm alittle worried about dying ill just swap to doze buckler instead of eon

[Snaggles]

OP didn’t say BiS.

If those are the rules, sure, I’ll take a 30k dkp Abashi monk.

[wagorf]

A ranger with Ntov weapons, BFG, dark cloak of the sky, Earthcaller, Tolan BP, Tolan bracer is a completely different class. I’d still enjoy a basic ranger but the flexibility of a top tier one is notable. Especially with wolf form, 8dmg arrows and meme disc dps for 2mins.

Monks and warriors scale the best with top gear but they are pretty damn great with the basics too. A IFS or Peacebringer monk at 60 with a very easy epic is a solid melee for anyone.

Nope my ranger has all that and she is still shit. A basic ec gear monk with fungi can tank just as well or better. She does look good though.

[Snaggles]

Nope my ranger has all that and she is still shit. A basic ec gear monk with fungi can tank just as well or better. She does look good though.

EC monk isn’t doing 100dps on Vindi with a meme weapon and making rogues justify what went wrong.

[Croco]

EC monk isn’t doing 100dps on Vindi with a meme weapon and making rogues justify what went wrong.

yeah but your meme weapon isn't obtainable by most people, you could twink out an entire character for the cost of it

[wagorf]

EC monk isn’t doing 100dps on Vindi with a meme weapon and making rogues justify what went wrong.

just admit you are wrong about the ranger comment cuz u dunno what ur talkin abt

[Snaggles]

yeah but your meme weapon isn't obtainable by most people, you could twink out an entire character for the cost of it

Less than an AoN. I paid 60k two years ago.

If someone has a turtle belt and a CoF they could have a BFG.

[Snaggles]

just admit you are wrong about the ranger comment cuz u dunno what ur talkin abt

Wrong about the tanking or the dps? I’m not saying a ranger can take a hit.

Topic is what classes geared shine above their EC counterparts. OP even says “non tank”. I’d say a 100+ dps ranger classifies as a contender for that definition. Also being attainable for a casual player.

Read the first post and try again.

[Naethyn]

A near bis monk is like 5 other classes combined in dkp.

[magnetaress]

Cleric duh. Get self heal or mana proc stick. Atonement wand and pacifi clicky. Cloak of flames. Tash stick. Donals Etc etc and you can slowly butt surely kill things. It's not impressive. Butt compared to a naked Cleric. Pretty amazing.

DI Warhammer probably isn't in era butt also fantastic.

[wagorf]

A ranger with Ntov weapons, BFG, dark cloak of the sky, Earthcaller, Tolan BP, Tolan bracer is a completely different class. I’d still enjoy a basic ranger but the flexibility of a top tier one is notable. Especially with wolf form, 8dmg arrows and meme disc dps for 2mins..

Those gears don't make them a completely different class, they are still shit and gimp, so you are completely wrong. The minor dps boost from raid gears don't mean shit when you still lose 50% tanking a dark blue.

Obviously you don't have a ranger in that calibur, yet you try to sound like you have the experience to share.

and wolf form...LOL

[Toxigen]

When I played I'd pick up all the budget alternatives to BiS.

If I did it all over again, I'd pump every single bit of dkp into a monk for full BiS.

Rangers are shit outside lucky raid parses lol. #speedbump life

[Snaggles]

Those gears don't make them a completely different class, they are still shit and gimp, so you are completely wrong. The minor dps boost from raid gears don't mean shit when you still lose 50% tanking a dark blue.

Obviously you don't have a ranger in that calibur, yet you try to sound like you have the experience to share.

and wolf form...LOL

I’d link a Magelo but can’t even reread the original post to realize you are threadjacking. Sorry you have a low dps ranger, I’d level up a monk if I were you too. Lemme know if you ever parse 100+ dps on a Vindi.

[cd288]

Is the argument here that rangers are going to compete with other high DPS classes? This is a DSM level argument

(just joking DSM)

[Snaggles]

Is the argument here that rangers are going to compete with other high DPS classes? This is a DSM level argument

(just joking DSM)

No, it’s dumber than that.

I was responding to the first poster’s question.
People are taking this as a class v class discussion (it’s not).

Paraphrased: “What non-tank class is significantly better when geared over the EC version”

[Jimjam]

Ranger does improve a lot with gear ; with 50% slow and almost 100% haste they are kinda 4 times better than an ungeared one. So big improvement, but still compares unfavourably to monk.

That said, I played my ranger again recently and it felt like they had been heavily stealth nerfed. I was in TT - somewhere my ranger could solo hunter/forager without earthcaller at 55. In my recent visit at 60 with more gear including full epic I had to hammer out due to a fight going unfavourably - something unthinkable before.

Did they just disable AC on rangers or something?!

[Snaggles]

Nah, they have almost 6k hps and hit for up to 135. Certainly doable but tougher than you would expect. Outside a few named in the cycle they are the hardest kills.

[cheeseburgergod]

I’d link a Magelo but can’t even reread the original post to realize you are threadjacking. Sorry you have a low dps ranger, I’d level up a monk if I were you too. Lemme know if you ever parse 100+ dps on a Vindi.

Are you really bragging about trueshotting vindi one time and getting a good parse? Surely this isn't your basis for arguing this question.

Rangers definitely scale up with gear better than some classes but basing an answer to the question on hand around 72 minute discipline is inane. If you are really a "ranger with Ntov weapons", hopefully you're saving that disc cooldown for bumping for your guild, right?

Monks, on the other hand, have literal Luclin-era ratio weapons available on P99 and massively scale in all aspects with the gear available, especially if you include novelty clickies you could compare to BFG. And this is without considering availability of long cooldown disciplines.

[wagorf]

I’d link a Magelo but can’t even reread the original post to realize you are threadjacking. Sorry you have a low dps ranger, I’d level up a monk if I were you too. Lemme know if you ever parse 100+ dps on a Vindi.

Like I said you just like to pull random shit out of your ass for sake of an argument.

With Tov weapons/epic ranger is still shit https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:Paris

Exactly the reason I don't even bother getting bis or buying SS armors even though they are cheap as hell, rangers only exist to look good.

[Ripqozko]

Those gears don't make them a completely different class, they are still shit and gimp, so you are completely wrong. The minor dps boost from raid gears don't mean shit when you still lose 50% tanking a dark blue.

Obviously you don't have a ranger in that calibur, yet you try to sound like you have the experience to share.

and wolf form...LOL

/GU Faydedar in 197s, 42740 @217 | Ripqozko 20239@(104 in 194s) [47.35%] | Nimbleswift 13470@(68 in 197s) [31.52%] | Pkan 6230@(32 in 192s) [14.58%] | Gabab 1261@(8 in 162s) [2.95%] | Lobantik 1052@(6 in 177s) [2.46%] | Sahoni 381@(3 in 110s) [0.89%] | Anemone 107@(4 in 28s) [0.25%]

/GU Jorlleag in 249s, 302k @1214dps --- Cecily 19k @78dps --- Maggott 19k @78dps --- Ripqozko 19k @76dps --- Pryckd 17k @70dps --- Secher 16k @69dps --- Coppernin 16k @66dps --- Briefs 16k @66dps --- Knapsack 15k @59dps --- Edashi 13k @58dps

/GU Hoshkar in 77s, 30k @385dps --- Ripqozko 6k @106dps --- Skew 5k @96dps --- Servicon 5k @84dps --- Knapsack 3k @59dps --- Trazzle 3k @58dps --- Orna 3k @45dps --- Naxi 2k @33dps --- Rikyr 1k @26dps --- Papaj 1k @21dps --- Nexii 0k @28dps

/GU Velketor the Sorcerer in 210s, 189k @899dps --- Dalvens 19k @104dps --- Judass 18k @100dps --- Ripqozko 18k @97dps --- Noctessa 16k @89dps --- Enessae 13k @69dps --- Bageljuice 12k @64dps --- Kozuro 11k @61dps --- Arvan 10k @52dps --- Xyram 8k @47dps --- Niht 8k @40dps

/GU Derakor the Vindicator in 132s, 175k @1326dps --- A Drakkel Dire Wolf 20k @161dps --- Knapsack 16k @121dps --- Ripqozko 15k @118dps --- Idrinkk 13k @109dps --- Rikyr 12k @92dps --- Trazzle 12k @89dps --- Gatitos 11k @87dps --- Logaluger 11k @85dps --- Jenssen 10k @78dps --- Torstein 10k @75dps

Rangers do change with gear and disc. AC is broken on ranger but our dps changes which was the point.

[Ripqozko]

/GU Derakor the Vindicator in 185s, 167k @900 | Davai 17758@(97 in 182s) | Ripqozko 14630@(79 in 183s) | Mattio 13841@(78 in 176s) | Grimswald 11904@(66 in 178s) | Crunchberries 11437@(79 in 144s) | Enessae 11369@(72 in 156s) | Blackduck 11083@(62 in 178s) | Lucyin 10595@(59 in 179s) | Naethyn 10021@(54 in 184s) | Naerron 9964@(73 in 135s) | Zealnier 9567@(52 in 181s) | Snacsize 7977@(43 in 182s) | Pwnasaurus 7884@(79 in 99s) | Gonarer 7877@(43 in 181s) | Karobtik 5661@(48 in 116s)

That's with no disc in riot with cek sword, out here still beating folks

/GU Derakor the Vindicator in 171s, 151k @882 | Junar 18133@(113 in 160s) | Paijun 15708@(96 in 163s) | Inappropriate 15482@(99 in 155s) | Ripqozko 14417@(87 in 164s) | Scather 13672@(88 in 154s) | A storm giant berserker 11778@(92 in 128s) | Mashiara 10812@(79 in 136s) | Jobekn 7893@(47 in 166s) | Carboload 7614@(45 in 167s) | Jener 7359@(44 in 164s) | Blackduck 5259@(44 in 118s) | Dirtydiana 5067@(50 in 101s) | Gonober 4024@(42 in 95s) | Tiras 3381@(21 in 154s) | Flutin 2301@(16 in 142s)

Non disc

[Snaggles]

Like I said you just like to pull random shit out of your ass for sake of an argument.

With Tov weapons/epic ranger is still shit https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:Paris

Exactly the reason I don't even bother getting bis or buying SS armors even though they are cheap as hell, rangers only exist

https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:Blerv

*Derakor the Vindicator in 121s, 148k @​1225 / Blerv 11k@​(100 in 114s) / Xanthiss 10k@​(84 in 118s) / Plunge 10k@​(85 in 112s) / Takkee 8k@​(76 in 111s) / Beomund 8k@​(73 in 116s) / Aftig 8k@​(79 in 105s) / Vithuud 7k@​(64 in 116s) / Phantastik 7k@​(65 in 114s) / Apnea 7k@​(63 in 117s) / Hisamori 7k@​(76 in 89s) / Lithro 6k@​(52 in 116s) / Rekorik 6k@​(48 in 121s) / Dirtiest 5k@​(44 in 118s) / Kloktor 5k@​(78 in 66s) / Cerumen 5k@​(44 in 114s) / Juevosrancheros 5k@​(56 in 84s) / Bandie 4k@​(37 in 116s)
(Cek to BFG, jolting, no avatar)


My best Cek non Avatar on Vindi is 73 dps. My best Avatar BFG on Vindi is 110 dps.

My only point is a geared ranger > non-geared ranger, it’s very noticeable if you care to invest in fletching. The p99 forums never seem to run out of straw for their argument fallacies. I posted my Magelo as it seems it was questioned if I even had a ranger. What a strange thing to create a fantastical lie about…

I’ve been parsing for half a decade or so. Meme or not I smoke a lot of people on little fights that “don’t matter”. I can also bump when it does. Having two gears is better than one.

[Ripqozko]

https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:Blerv

*Derakor the Vindicator in 121s, 148k @​1225 / Blerv 11k@​(100 in 114s) / Xanthiss 10k@​(84 in 118s) / Plunge 10k@​(85 in 112s) / Takkee 8k@​(76 in 111s) / Beomund 8k@​(73 in 116s) / Aftig 8k@​(79 in 105s) / Vithuud 7k@​(64 in 116s) / Phantastik 7k@​(65 in 114s) / Apnea 7k@​(63 in 117s) / Hisamori 7k@​(76 in 89s) / Lithro 6k@​(52 in 116s) / Rekorik 6k@​(48 in 121s) / Dirtiest 5k@​(44 in 118s) / Kloktor 5k@​(78 in 66s) / Cerumen 5k@​(44 in 114s) / Juevosrancheros 5k@​(56 in 84s) / Bandie 4k@​(37 in 116s)
(Cek to BFG, jolting, no avatar)


My best Cek non Avatar on Vindi is 73 dps. My best Avatar BFG on Vindi is 110 dps.

My only point is a geared ranger > non-geared ranger, it’s very noticeable if you care to invest in fletching. The p99 forums never seem to run out of straw for their argument fallacies. I posted my Magelo as it seems it was questioned if I even had a ranger. What a strange thing to create a fantastical lie about…

I’ve been parsing for half a decade or so. Meme or not I smoke a lot of people on little fights that “don’t matter”. I can also bump when it does. Having two gears is better than one.

Also helps when people know what they talk about and quit using 1h on rangers for 90% of the content , it's dated bad information and you can tell when someone doesn't know.

[Snaggles]

Also helps when people know what they talk about and quit using 1h on rangers for 90% of the content , it's dated bad information and you can tell when someone doesn't know.

True. I wasn’t going to nitpick but Tolan offhand is not a DPS weapon over even Swiftwind, that’s a long known fact. Not sure the Claw is either but I picked it up on a cheap bid. Outside pulling and my magelo those have been bagged for a long time along with the Swiftwind and Earthcaller.

In the end on a comparative Vindi at 60 I did a LOT of 40-45dps parses with a SBoZ. Tons. Moving up to ToV weapons(s) is a huge upgrade since we don’t have access to a Tstaff or Ragebringer, let alone the class skills that make those things shine.

[Vexenu]

Anyone ever seen Monk parses with an Abashi vs. a Gharns/Fist of Nature combo? I'm guessing the Abashi comes out ahead, especially post-2H dmg upgrade, but I'm curious what the difference would be.

[Ripqozko]

Anyone ever seen Monk parses with an Abashi vs. a Gharns/Fist of Nature combo? I'm guessing the Abashi comes out ahead, especially post-2H dmg upgrade, but I'm curious what the difference would be.

abashi monk wins from what i understand but its relatively close unless that abashi monk is getting them fist strikes between swings. i dont have a monk so i dont have personal parses of it.

[Toxigen]

Anyone ever seen Monk parses with an Abashi vs. a Gharns/Fist of Nature combo? I'm guessing the Abashi comes out ahead, especially post-2H dmg upgrade, but I'm curious what the difference would be.

prob abashi on stuff like aary and the 1 handers on higher ac stuff?

thats of course not swapping to fists in between...if someone is really good at it and wont screw up their swing timer its gotta be abashi's 100%

aint nobody got time for that tho