Verix Remains Kill Thief

[Rimitto]

I would personally just like to thank Stingerr and Feuerwerk for stealing the kill from the entire basement group by training the entire zone, killing a few people to bring the theft to the entrance of the zone and then stealing at the zoneline.

https://i.ibb.co/0KJD6qN/Bad-Behavior-Verix-Theft.png (https://imgbb.com/)
https://i.ibb.co/yhNjmYQ/Bad-Behavior-Verix-Theft2.png (https://imgbb.com/)

[Trexller]

what sort of douche bag would steal a mob that not only is camped 24/7, but is also a great XP camp

people who are this stupid and ignorant make me genuinely wonder how they manage to drive a car or dress themselves, let alone earn the money to pay for their life

[Pulgasari]

Did you zone out?

[Rimitto]

Did you zone out?
No, and you're missing the point.
It was a camp theft.
We had a full group camping basement, and were there for hours killing verix placeholders.

as soon as verix spawned, they ran in and stole it. It's straight up theft.
Verix is a camp, it's not a FTE.

[Pulgasari]

No, and you're missing the point.
It was a camp theft.
We had a full group camping basement, and were there for hours killing verix placeholders.

as soon as verix spawned, they ran in and stole it. It's straight up theft.
Verix is a camp, it's not a FTE.

I'm missing the point by asking you a completely relevant question and saying nothing else?

[Trexller]

I'm missing the point by asking you a completely relevant question and saying nothing else?

im still 97% sure that Rimitto is a bot

look at how it describes common EQ situations with uncommonly/never used terminology

"bring the theft"

"by training the entire zone"

"camp theft"

"stealing at the zone line"

this could absolutely be a bot's message, maybe the acct owner is a human using LMs to draft posts

[Pulgasari]

im still 97% sure that Rimitto is a bot

look at how it describes common EQ situations with uncommonly/never used terminology

"bring the theft"

"by training the entire zone"

"camp theft"

"stealing at the zone line"

this could absolutely be a bot's message, maybe the acct owner is a human using LMs to draft posts

At any rate if his group never ran away from training themselves and exited the zone it's a pretty bad violation of the PnP or whatever.

But it's probably just made up.

[Pulgasari]

It's plausible for us to say this now and will be standard course anon

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[Rimitto]

At any rate if his group never ran away from training themselves and exited the zone it's a pretty bad violation of the PnP or whatever.

But it's probably just made up.
The basement group was readily clearing everything, with zero problems.
We did not train anyone the entire time, someone ran in and stole it and ran it to zoneline, whereas upon they killed it. It's a complete shattering of the PNP.

You want to argue nonsense, there's 10+ witnesses, feel free to ask any of them.

[sajbert]

Is it no longer a /list camp?

Anyway, this is what /petition is for.

[Jimjam]

Lame. How long was it up before they pulled it out the camp?

Were they guilded?

How come you were high enough on aggro to be summoned at the end?

[Rimitto]

Lame. How long was it up before they pulled it out the camp?

Were they guilded?

How come you were high enough on aggro to be summoned at the end?
less than a minute I'd estimate? I was the cleric so I was focused on keeping the party alive and managing my mana. We had just cleared the room repop from what I recall, and then verix was sighted, I don't know what the puller was doing but everyone was in good/full health at the time. I first thought it was the puller that ran into the room because I was only paying partial attention to names and people.

The suspected people were anon.

I got aggro because when I saw the puller(monk) talking about how it was being trained to zoneline, I chased after it. The monk was engaged with it and other people were attacking it as well. I tried to grab aggro back with undead nukes, since it was our camp. Most of the rest of the party was still down in basement, I think they might've taken one of the other skeletons that was being trained because our tank was very slowly losing health as well.

When I arrived at zoneline I saw a shitshow going on, a few skeletons pacing back and forth , I think one was rooted, another mezzed, and found my party member monk engaged with verix, so I began blasting it myself.
I had also shoutted out 3 times in the ooc while I was running to zoneline to assist that basement was camping verix and that it was our camp. The others took screenshots as well, hopefully they can post what they saw or at least give their accounts of what happened.

[Jimjam]

Target a person and /guildstatus (or /guildstatus theirname, e.g. /guidstatus jimjam) will tell you their guild (if they have one).

That said, a lot of turds have unguilded toons used for these purposes, despite having their mains / other toons in a guild(s).

[Toxigen]

sounds like your group needed to git gud

[Rimitto]

sounds like your group needed to git gud

I got additional confirmation today that it was indeed Feuerwerk that looted the corpse and Stingerr that stole the camp.
Since this was a 2 man operation, this means that they are acting in accordance outside of the game, possibly through discord.

How long is a suspension of a clan that knowingly initiates a plan to sabotage loot rights? Because as I see it, this was a direct attack on all the other clans, as well as the people, to either steal access to veeshen's peak or to prevent access to veeshen's peak.

https://i.ibb.co/QbC6LZm/Bad-Behavior-Verix-Theft3.png (https://imgbb.com/)

an enchanter named bejewelled was also around there at the time, not sure if they were involved, but it was noted as well. saw Dwynen attacking it as well on the logs, but he zoned and died.

all of these other players are not iksars, the only other iksar that would fit the bill in this situation was stingerr, and it was confirmed that feuerwerk looted and then logged (ninja steal) after the kill.


Removal of the medallion from feuerwerk and a roll for every party member involved would be restitution. Suspension of stingerr is also called for. Possible suspension of Feuerwerk.

[Pulgasari]

I got additional confirmation today that it was indeed Feuerwerk that looted the corpse and Stingerr that stole the camp.
Since this was a 2 man operation, this means that they are acting in accordance outside of the game, possibly through discord.

How long is a suspension of a clan that knowingly initiates a plan to sabotage loot rights? Because as I see it, this was a direct attack on all the other clans, as well as the people, to either steal access to veeshen's peak or to prevent access to veeshen's peak.

https://i.ibb.co/QbC6LZm/Bad-Behavior-Verix-Theft3.png (https://imgbb.com/)

an enchanter named bejewelled was also around there at the time, not sure if they were involved, but it was noted as well. saw Dwynen attacking it as well on the logs, but he zoned and died.

all of these other players are not iksars, the only other iksar that would fit the bill in this situation was stingerr, and it was confirmed that feuerwerk looted and then logged (ninja steal) after the kill.


Removal of the medallion from feuerwerk and a roll for every party member involved would be restitution. Suspension of stingerr is also called for. Possible suspension of Feuerwerk.

I think your party monk was in on it. They're all like that.

[Jimjam]

What is a clan?

[Jimjam]

P99 tends to have punitive, not restorative justice (outside of raid targets).

The loot will just be deleted, not moved.

[Pulgasari]

What is a clan?

Online mechwarrior/battletek pre-dates EQ. Their version of guilds.

Whereas irl guilds made shirts and wagons and shit.

[Rimitto]

What is a clan?
clan = guild.
I'm still stuck on mud terminology where guild was job classes and clan was the collection of people. -shrug-

[Rimitto]

P99 tends to have punitive, not restorative justice (outside of raid targets).

The loot will just be deleted, not moved.
Justice from heaven or from hell.

[Jimjam]

Justice from heaven or from hell.

Personally I like ironic justice. I would have TPed and bound the perps in VP at a particularly treacherous spot.

[Trexller]

now im convinced they trained an ai to play eq

[Duik]

now im convinced they trained an ai to play eq

I agree. Rimito is defo a bot.
In 2002 a free speech advocate put up a winmx chat that had ZERO rules (except flood spam), turns out he was doing a doctorate (or whatever it was) and was using us as guinea pigs by parsing our chats and manipulating the data to his needs. Tried to work out a way to follow different threads within the group chat.
10 peeps all responding to each other both as a group and individual questions. I know not what he did with these data.
Polits talk does not train an AI to play eq. DSM waxing lyrical about strats, stats and techniques however does.
Congrats DSM. You are ai fodder.

[WarpathEQ]

Confused why this is a thread. The proper channel is /petition if you have a camp dispute. In my experience if you are in line of sight of the mob in question and have been clearing the PH consistently the GMs would rule in your favor that it was your camp/mob.

Line of sight being critical, I had a ruling go against me when a group moved into a room my group had been killing for hours. Because we weren't physically sitting in the room (in line of sight) the other group got to keep the camp. There was still some coaching provided to the camp stealers as there should have been communication and ultimately as the group that was there first it was our choice of which camp to take and which to give up to them.

[Old_PVP]

Sounds like PVP would have solved this made up issue.

GMs just need to enable it and make their lives easier.

[Trexller]

I agree. Rimito is defo a bot.
In 2002 a free speech advocate put up a winmx chat that had ZERO rules (except flood spam), turns out he was doing a doctorate (or whatever it was) and was using us as guinea pigs by parsing our chats and manipulating the data to his needs. Tried to work out a way to follow different threads within the group chat.
10 peeps all responding to each other both as a group and individual questions. I know not what he did with these data.
Polits talk does not train an AI to play eq. DSM waxing lyrical about strats, stats and techniques however does.
Congrats DSM. You are ai fodder.

I got a feeling that you could just give one of these AI software things access to macroquest and the p99 wiki then it would do fine

[loramin]

I got a feeling that you could just give one of these AI software things access to macroquest and the p99 wiki then it would do fine

The technology just isn't there yet.

Now, if you're a programmer, you can absolutely write an EQ-playing bot, with or without "AI". But if you want to be able to get ChaptGPT to farm spiderling silks for you, you're going to be waiting awhile.

[WarpathEQ]

The technology just isn't there yet.

Now, if you're a programmer, you can absolutely write an EQ-playing bot, with or without "AI". But if you want to be able to get ChaptGPT to farm spiderling silks for you, you're going to be waiting awhile.

Or forever as it were, ChatGPT and virtually all accessible AI products are simply language learning models, they deal in text so the only game ChatGPT will ever play on its own are text based games. Although they will make for great keyboard warriors soon so they would be well suited for the P99 forums.

Tesla is really the only company I've seen developing AI based on video inputs as opposed to text inputs and outputing real world range of motion, so there is a chance that the future of EQ could include auto-piloting bots. Even that is unlikely to be viable in our lifetime due to the massive amounts of compute and training materials needed to train this type of AI.

[Trexller]

MQ2 and/or KISSassist can totally automate EQ

wouldn't it be pretty easy to give a learning software access to MQ2 or KISSassist

DOD has learning software that outperforms human fighter pilots, making software that plays EQ should be a breeze

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[Toxigen]

Sounds like PVP would have solved this made up issue.

GMs just need to enable it and make their lives easier.

pretty sure the snipe team would have obliterated the random xp group lol

[Old_PVP]

pretty sure the snipe team would have obliterated the random xp group lol

Problem solved in my book. ;)

[Ciderpress]

PVP would make this kind of dispute a million times more of a clusterfuck and headache for the other people in the zone who had nothing to do with it. There's a reason nobody plays red.

[cd288]

Problem solved in my book. ;)

Lol

[Rimitto]

Confused why this is a thread. The proper channel is /petition if you have a camp dispute. In my experience if you are in line of sight of the mob in question and have been clearing the PH consistently the GMs would rule in your favor that it was your camp/mob.

Line of sight being critical, I had a ruling go against me when a group moved into a room my group had been killing for hours. Because we weren't physically sitting in the room (in line of sight) the other group got to keep the camp. There was still some coaching provided to the camp stealers as there should have been communication and ultimately as the group that was there first it was our choice of which camp to take and which to give up to them.

Been petitioning. It's suspected that the person who did this was a throwaway account, so I wanted to get more eyes on it so if anyone else had information on the incident or knew information on the people involved could come forward.

The incident happened very fast, and the fact that so much information was captured in the first place was nothing short of a herculean effort.

I'm sure you've heard of the snackpacc incident, this was worse.

[Rimitto]

pretty sure the snipe team would have obliterated the random xp group lol

VR / XP
we had camp, but yeah I probably would've been the first killed.
clerics don't live long when shit goes down :rolleyes:

[loramin]

MQ2 and/or KISSassist can totally automate EQ

wouldn't it be pretty easy to give a learning software access to MQ2 or KISSassist

DOD has learning software that outperforms human fighter pilots, making software that plays EQ should be a breeze

I guess it just depends on your definition of "easy". It's certainly easier than in the old days, when people first made those tools and AI didn't exist. But, it's not yet easy enough that a non-programmer could do it ... and even for a single programmer it would be a significant project.

AI is still highly specialized. It does what it's designed to do (answer questions, generate images/music/video, etc.) well ... but for anything else, you still need a human coder.

[questever]

Bot Confirmed

[Trexller]

I guess it just depends on your definition of "easy". It's certainly easier than in the old days, when people first made those tools and AI didn't exist. But, it's not yet easy enough that a non-programmer could do it ... and even for a single programmer it would be a significant project.

AI is still highly specialized. It does what it's designed to do (answer questions, generate images/music/video, etc.) well ... but for anything else, you still need a human coder.

So what you're saying is, if you can't outrun them, you can still jam a knife into the T-600's tracking unit to disable them temporarily. Gotcha.