Best race for war?

[|tda| fatal]

Rolling a new war specifically for raid tanking.

Do I go ogre with max cha or half elf max cha?

CHA is the only stat that doesn't get maxed with buffs / gear endgame.

Wondering is FSI is actually that noticeable when raid tanking?

War aggro is all clickies anyways...

[Keebz]

FSI is noticable when raid tanking. It's like the only real use of it.

That said, fashion is the true end game.

[|tda| fatal]

FSI is noticable when raid tanking. It's like the only real use of it.

That said, fashion is the true end game.

ogre has like 30 less CHA than high elf does that not effect DI that much?

[Naethyn]

Bard song maxes ogre CHA. Tall small waist races don’t fly through ogre wall on tunare as much. Gnome has the best self haste. Iksars have less potential dps. Ogres can bowger for maximum possible dps with weighted axe. Play what you think looks coolest.

[|tda| fatal]

Bard song maxes ogre CHA. Tall small waist races don’t fly through ogre wall on tunare as much. Gnome has the best self haste. Iksars have less potential dps. Ogres can bowger for maximum possible dps with weighted axe. Play what you think looks coolest.

Do you have to put your points in CHA on ogre to max it endgame?

[Naethyn]

No

[jolanar]

I'm going to ignore the question that is about raiding and answer that there is no way I'd pass up Cog Boost 40% haste clicky as a Gnome in the current timeline.

[sajbert]

Iksar, Gnome, Troll and Ogre all have their own upsides where no upside is strictly better than the others.

[PatChapp]

If it's strictly for raiding it's ogre, some mobs like aow stun so much ogre makes a huge difference.
Di seems to work pretty often even on my 40cha dwarf,so I wouldn't worry too much about that aspect.

My warrior is a dwarf,6.5k hp. Last time I tanked aow,according to my logs I was stunned around 30% of the time

Now that makes no difference in tanking or procs,but it makes a huge difference in white agro. If I'm first tank on aow I burn a scepter,whereas an ogre even with inferior agro weapons probably wouldn't need to.

[Jimjam]

stunned around 30% of the time

automatically disables riposte, excellent feature incase your auto attack button breaks.

[sajbert]

Yet, we see plenty of non-ogre MTs in raids. Come to think of it, we have to add halfling to the list as well. Dwarf may even deserve a mention for the mr and barrrel roll.

[Andyman1022]

Gnome and it isn't even close

[Snaggles]

^ Preshrunk, wall-look, 40% click haste

For all the aggro complaints warriors face rolling with innate Alacrity is pretty OP.

[Gozuk]

Wood Elf or Dark Elf have the most cool factor

[Naethyn]

Gnomes fly through ogre wall on tunare.

[Keebz]

Gnomes fly through ogre wall on tunare.

Not having to go to PoG is maybe a feature.

[|tda| fatal]

If it's strictly for raiding it's ogre, some mobs like aow stun so much ogre makes a huge difference.
Di seems to work pretty often even on my 40cha dwarf,so I wouldn't worry too much about that aspect.

My warrior is a dwarf,6.5k hp. Last time I tanked aow,according to my logs I was stunned around 30% of the time

Now that makes no difference in tanking or procs,but it makes a huge difference in white agro. If I'm first tank on aow I burn a scepter,whereas an ogre even with inferior agro weapons probably wouldn't need to.

thanks for your input,

The only reason i would be putting the starting points into CHA is bc the other stats that matter (sta,str,dex) all get capped with gear + buffs. unless they changed agi to work?

Lookin like im going with ogre :)

[Naethyn]

Ogres take the most damage on aow.

[|tda| fatal]

Ogres take the most damage on aow.

how so?

[PatChapp]

The eat the most riposte,since they don't get stunned.
You can mitigate that by using redblade mainhand,rather than a willsapper or something fast.

[Snaggles]

Don’t worry, most or least damage taken on AoW only one guild kills it on repop every 5 days so it doesn’t matter.

[shovelquest]

I’ve never had an issue tanking tunare as a gnome.

A Gnome, wouldn't.

https://i.imgur.com/LkThKff.gif

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ogre with all points in CHA is 62. + bard song and shm buff is only 162.

[Naethyn]

I'm not an ogre but we tested this and ogre who did not go CHA reports max CHA. @franswa how much CHA does bard give?

[Jimjam]

I'm not an ogre but we tested this and ogre who did not go CHA reports max CHA. @franswa how much CHA does bard give?

Nekkid or geared?

[shovelquest]

Gnomes build smoke stacks and a ZOO and they are on the good guys side smh.

Deal with the devils IMO.

[sajbert]

Looking at the BIS items in the p99 war wiki you get a total of +35 charisma and putting all 25pts into charisma would give you a whopping 97 charisma.

Add shaman buff and bard song for a total of +176 caps your charisma at 255. Note that you would still cap it if you only put 7 points into charisma. If you however were to equip Brain of Cazic Thule, given its -25 charisma penalty, you will not be able to cap charisma with bard song and shaman buff. This is regardless if you go +25 charisma at creation or not. If potions stack then you could use a potion to plug that hole, the only difference is that for someone who only puts 7 points into charisma has a bigger hole w/o this measure.

Even considering vendor prices neither choice (7 cha or 25 charisma) will allow you to hit a new breakpoint with BIS gear. Unless again, you have Brain equipped which you can simply unequip.

Thus the only advantage of going 25 charisma occurs when you don't have a bard song or shaman buff. I honestly have no idea if tanks typically have bards pumping charisma, and even if they do the bard could die.

All combat stats do max out eventually with BIS gear and Avatar, at least I believe they do? Perhaps if dex doesn't max out with regular buffs then it'd be helpful with points into dex to make avatar proc faster. It would also help you on your whole Warrior journey.

And sure, some may say "oh but you need several super contested items to get all that charisma" but that's what you gotta do to be a raid tank where DI and charisma even theoretically matters.

So 7 cha 18 dex? Is that the way?

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Looking at the BIS items in the p99 war wiki you get a total of +35 charisma and putting all 25pts into charisma would give you a whopping 97 charisma.

Add shaman buff and bard song for a total of +176 caps your charisma at 255. Note that you would still cap it if you only put 7 points into charisma. If you however were to equip Brain of Cazic Thule, given its -25 charisma penalty, you will not be able to cap charisma with bard song and shaman buff. This is regardless if you go +25 charisma at creation or not. If potions stack then you could use a potion to plug that hole, the only difference is that for someone who only puts 7 points into charisma has a bigger hole w/o this measure.

Even considering vendor prices neither choice (7 cha or 25 charisma) will allow you to hit a new breakpoint with BIS gear. Unless again, you have Brain equipped which you can simply unequip.

Thus the only advantage of going 25 charisma occurs when you don't have a bard song or shaman buff. I honestly have no idea if tanks typically have bards pumping charisma, and even if they do the bard could die.

All combat stats do max out eventually with BIS gear and Avatar, at least I believe they do? Perhaps if dex doesn't max out with regular buffs then it'd be helpful with points into dex to make avatar proc faster. It would also help you on your whole Warrior journey.

And sure, some may say "oh but you need several super contested items to get all that charisma" but that's what you gotta do to be a raid tank where DI and charisma even theoretically matters.

So 7 cha 18 dex? Is that the way?


do bards even play cha song? lets be real

[Naethyn]

They do in the tank group. CHA + DS

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Does maxing CHA actually matter? is it noticeable?

[Naethyn]

It’s not as good as turning off attacking but p99 is about many small things adding up.

[Duik]

Sitting down (as a wizard) ALWAYS was taunt agro +911.

Just do it.

[Crede]

Rolling a new war specifically for raid tanking.

Do I go ogre with max cha or half elf max cha?

CHA is the only stat that doesn't get maxed with buffs / gear endgame.

Wondering is FSI is actually that noticeable when raid tanking?

War aggro is all clickies anyways...

The answer is none. If there was any real advantage we'd be seeing way more of that race given how min/maxy this server is. Still a ton of non ogre warriors. The biggest difference maker overall is gnome haste arms. However you can mitigate half of that by just getting an eyepatch. War should be a race you pick solely based on fashion imo. Any major starting stat advantage won't last long with raid gear/buffs.

[Naethyn]

I think looking cool matters for actually making it to the end game we are talking about.

[Jimjam]

I think looking cool matters for actually making it to the end game we are talking about.

Optics is everything!

[Dundrige]

Go wood elf. Or become a warrior in real life. Those are the two best options.

[Allishia]

Dark elf /nod

Best all around, fashion, don't get stuck, good enough cha that di always fires with shaman buff /nod

And you don't need ogres wall for tunare if you know how to tank her /nod. See video for reference. https://youtu.be/TnSvLkOVfxU?si=l0tP-p_avRVnUh5p

[Duik]

Haha ogre wall. Ogres used to be the "best and only" tank until they were shown the door.
They paniced and yelled "You still need us!"

Your god forsook you. And so say we all.

[jdmchris]

Gnome or Gnothing

[shovelquest]

Gnome or Gnothing

Gno Gnome or Gno GHome!

[druidbob]

Went dwarf warrior, because doing a barrel roll at a dragon to engage always makes me chuckle