Monk or Shaman epic?

[Jabober]

Hello pro pixel players, question for anyone who’s leveled a Monk AND Shaman to 60.

So, I have a 52 Monk and 53 Shaman that I’ve been wanting to level to 60, if I were to buy the epic for either of these guys, (I believe both are about 70k pp?) who would be more “fun” to finish the grind with?

I know the term fun is extremely subjective, but as far as qol for the grind, free clicky haste, or free clicky splurt essentially opens up a lot from what I’m told.
Overall, the Monk is more enjoyable to play (for me) Shaman gets boring in longer sessions, but I’ve never had epics on any of my toons.

As far as when I’m 60, who’s more capable of soloing fun content, decent plat farm etc.? I’d have torpor on shaman as well. Both are decently geared, monk is more geared but both will have access to fungi.

Any thoughts, advice, feedback, suggestions?

I’m not in a particular hurry to ding, so it’ll be a slower grind. This being said, when I am playing, being able to have less down time and faster kill speed would be dope. I’ll probably do 30% grouping and 70% soloing.

Thanks guys :)

[Andyman1022]

Both epics help the leveling grind immensely for both classes, but I vote shaman. You are able to do soooo much more with that free 1400-1500 dmg. You can root rot multiples, you can rot a single with just the epic, and spam JBB while its ticking down. You become way more mana efficient when you get epic on shaman. Also on blue, you should be able to purchase a full shaman epic MQ from Riot for 40k (including the final fight), all you have to do is max true spirit faction.

[red_demonman]

I have leveled both to max. More fun for the grind is definitely monk, assuming you went lizard + fungi you should be able to solo with epic fists a lot of places and you will kill mobs a lot faster than your shaman would be able to. You'll also be able to get into camps via monk flop that your shaman won't be able to get to as easy.

Max level shaman can do more stuff but keep in mind you will kill things slow.

Monk can do a lot but becomes more gear dependent at max level.

[Jimjam]

Shaman epic requires less clicks per hour.

[danknug]

Id say monk for the grind to 60 is more fun unless you really enjoy trying to manage root and dot multiple mobs at a time over and over. Shaman definitely more capable for soloing tough mobs at 60 though. If shaman is any race but iksar you could skip the epic grinding to 60 and get a jbb and slow tank that would be my preferred method for xping.

[Jabober]

Appreciate the info guys! Shaman is ikky

[Snaggles]

If you want both classes eventually at 60, sham first. You can do gem camps like geonids after the fairy’s and goos green out.

Who knows? Might end up with enough plat at 60 to get the monk epic. Prices are only going to drop further on either.

[Jabober]

If you want both classes eventually at 60, sham first. You can do gem camps like geonids after the fairy’s and goos green out.

Who knows? Might end up with enough plat at 60 to get the monk epic. Prices are only going to drop further on either.

Not a bad plan! My Druid and Necro, plus monk farming guards have paid for most of my items. I currently have enough saved up for both epics and torpor, depending on what I can buy the stuff for.

[Salaryman]

you should reroll on RED99

[Pint]

I root rotted two shamans to 60 with epic and found it to be a lot of fun but there is some real autism involved with enjoying that grind. Monk with fungi and epic is also fun but not as consistent as shaman solo grinding

[sajbert]

I have a 51 twinked monk with epic and I have a 55 sham with epic that I'm taking a hiatus from but previously had JBB and all the jazz too.

I could level a sham to 60 without Epic. Shaman is good, you can solo fine without it and especially with JBB. There's always grouping too. At 60 once you have Torpor to tank summoning mobs then Epic will help you kill and push the class into the godmode territory. Sort of useless in raids.

Leveling a monk solo to 60 without Epic, even with my heavy twinking (tstaff, fungi, beads, jbb, pegi cloak, cloak of flames, etc) I honestly wouldn't wanna do. If you group it sort of doesn't matter. At 60 it will useful both solo, grouping and in raids.

So I'd say monk epic is the better choice if you wanna solo level and/or raid. If your goal is a strong character at 60 that can solo cash camps then get the sham epic.

[tonyadams]

If you’re more drawn to the Monk, the epic amplifies your enjoyment and makes grinding more fun and efficient. It’s also more straightforward to play and less mana-dependent, which suits longer sessions better.
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[DeathsSilkyMist]

I have Shaman and Monk Epic.

Spend that money on Torpor and level the Shaman to 60. Then you can farm for both Epics faster.

Buy a Fungi Tunic with the leftover cash and use it on whichever character you are actively leveling.

If you have enough money for Torpor and Epic, I'd go with Shaman Epic first so you can level faster and use Torpor. Since you are an Iksar Shaman, you don't have access to JBB for free damage clicks.

A Torpor Shaman is much better at farming compared to a regular Epic Monk.

[cd288]

Monk epic is nice but not needed to get to 60 if you are twinked in other ways. IIRC I didn't get my Monk epic until I was 60 or close to 60 (I knew that if I spent too much time focusing on other things I wouldn't finish the EXP grind). If you have a fungi and a T Staff you'll be just fine and adding the epic probably doesn't move the needle as much on being able to solo additional things. Without those things...yes epic would be wayyyy more important for survivability.

Personally I find playing magic using classes more engaging, so I would probably go Shaman regardless if I were OP.

[one3eight]

Something of note: as someone who only raids now, shaman epic never gets clicked, monk epic still gets clicked constantly.

[Snaggles]

The OP is favoring the monk as their more enjoyable class. I get that and would probably do what your heart calls for unless this is a priority:

“As far as when I’m 60, who’s more capable of soloing fun content, decent plat farm etc.?”

Outside the attack and a dash of AC, 40% spell haste is helpful for a solo class or even Droga or fine steel farmer. With a CoF the Tstaff is a 29/22, with the CoF and epic click it’s a 29/17. That’s a 22% improvement. 40 attack probably adds another 4-5% dps.

The shaman will be a more painful farmer of light greens (Droga) but gate is handy for selling. It would be able to farm Geos and some Chardok/PoM spawns. Either monk or shaman can farm plat; if just rank the shaman a step higher overall.

In raids and most balanced groups the shaman epic won’t get used aside from stats. In scrappy duos and trios it will get used all the time. Basically any blue con (or higher) that takes less than 1.5 mins to kill it isn’t worth it. If it’s resisting a bunch you better hope that kill takes even longer so the dot can go full-duration. In most situations with my shaman where I’m helping kill a tough target or even most rougher group situations, I just keep Avatar memmed to help burst down stuff. Malo, slow, torp…that’s the backbone of what you bring.

Whereas the monk will constantly use the epic and it up ranks the dps of the class significantly. In a game where you don’t get many advantages, free 40% spell haste and 40 attack is never turned down.

[Jabober]

Appreciate the input guys! Lots to digest, both sound like good choices.

[Duik]

(From all the above...) I think that is why beastlord was such a great class. Out of era and OT but a mix of best melee and a sham? Clear winner. A bit OP though. Like a battle mage with actual skills.

Way better than a rng pulling from dru and war. Different era I know but still. Rng (-EDIT- averagely equiped non BIS -EDIT-) was a literal laughing stock until Luclin but had such potential. Sorry.

@OP you sound like a monk but the arguments for sham hold water regarding plat farming potential.
Tough choice you have. Hmm?

[WarpathEQ]

Shaman epic unlocks a lot more for the class and ultimately Shaman has more tools to solo/farm high end content (with torpor) however I found the shaman class got significantly more boring grinding with an Epic, its actually the least fun thing I've done on P99 (althought I'm glad to have a 60 epic/torp shaman as I bust him out when my other toons just can't handle the job).

IMO monk epic will contribute to a lot more enjoyment during your play time and exp grind as it will truly enhance playing the monk versus shaman epic just converts you to root rot everything and sit there.

[ScottBerta]

Shaman is better but having to cast canni all the time is annoying.

[wagorf]

since you enjoy monk more, epic gives noticeable dps boost, it makes quite a difference in your soloing experience