People are so lazy in this game.

[Gloomlord]

After a long hiatus from the game, I've decided to come back and play my paladin, Hospitaller.

I ask a fellow paladin in Velks to FoL incoming mobs when the MT is around 10-20% for efficiency sake, and he gets angry and complains. He eventually leaves because I became frustrated with trying to reason with him.

Why even play this game if you can't even be bothered to do the simplest thing?

[Andyman1022]

We all still play this game due to mental illness

[shovelquest]

lmao that's classic! :D

[Gloomlord]

I can't be the only here in EQ who has come across people like this.

We all still play this game due to mental illness

Yeah, you're probably right.

[Duik]

A hollier than thou Paladin!

Unheard of.

[Jimjam]

Enlightenment

[Rygar]

He eventually leaves because I became frustrated with trying to reason with him.

Maybe this had something to do with him leaving? We all gotta let it go sometimes and just ride them chill vibes

[Gloomlord]

He said "you can root", not knowing, and not wanting to know, I had no clarity.

I felt I had to speak up at that point.

This is my point I'm really trying to raise: people in this game try to saddle another person with as many responsibilities as they can. I'm getting really tired of that as paladin who is more often than not the CC, Puller as well as the Tank.

[Jimjam]

If you wanna boss people about you gotta roll warrior.

[Gloomlord]

I don't want to boss anyone around -- I want people to do their job.

[Jimjam]

You just described management :)

[shovelquest]

He's got you there boss.

[Shourty]

Everybody want to be the di-rector.

I log or zone when someone NAGS at me too.

Just let me play my way and I'll let you play yours.

Cripes.

[PatChapp]

This is a video game,you were in a xp group.

[Gloomlord]

You're proving my point, guys. You're proving my point...

I mean, sure, it's a game. But when you saddle someone extra responsibilities onto another person so you can mooch off their labour, I kind of lose sympathy for you, and you lose the moral high ground you think you possess.

I'm not your "bitch" as a paladin, sorry to say.

[questever]

You're proving my point, guys. You're proving my point...

I mean, sure, it's a game. But when you saddle someone extra responsibilities onto another person so you can mooch off their labour, I kind of lose sympathy for you, and you lose the moral high ground you think you possess.

I'm not your "bitch" as a paladin, sorry to say.

Yes you are boy!

[Gloomlord]

No wonder no one wants to play tank with attitudes like this.

[shovelquest]

No wonder no one wants to play tank with attitudes like this.

Oh now you're telling me to play a tank!

(we're just messn with you yes everyone is lazy)

[zelld52]

You’re talking about a group in velks, thst no doubt stayed at the entrance. Not exactly seasoned veterans looking to take risks

[Jimjam]

Oh now you're telling me to play a tank!

(we're just messn with you yes everyone is lazy)

yes, just a gentle good natured ribbing, OP. no offenceicles!

[Ghost_of_Fippy]

I don't want to boss anyone around -- I want people to do their job.

It is not suppose to be a job. I already spent 9 hours at work. I play for fun after getting home. It is a game.

[Snaggles]

I think it’s annoying when someone helps with unsolicited class tips. It seems you were just trying to keep the pulls flowing. It’s not a tall order and anyone could have done this. The person seems overactive, at least in how it’s presented.

I find a lot of people on p99 to be lazy or at least inside-the-box thinkers. It’s painful to watch with a class that offers so much more. All the more reason if someone wants to do very little they should roll a class like a rogue or cleric. There is still a high ceiling of performance for a good player but a crap one will still be passable.

[Jimjam]

I think it’s annoying when someone helps with unsolicited class tips. It seems you were just trying to keep the pulls flowing. It’s not a tall order and anyone could have done this. The person seems overactive, at least in how it’s presented.

I find a lot of people on p99 to be lazy or at least inside-the-box thinkers. It’s painful to watch with a class that offers so much more. All the more reason if someone wants to do very little they should roll a class like a rogue or cleric. There is still a high ceiling of performance for a good player but a crap one will still be passable.

Honestly even ‘inside the box thinkers’ may be being over generous. But that is fine, sometimes you just want to take your brain out and steam roll easy content toggling auto attack or spamming the same couple of buttons in a particular rhythm.

Not every group needs to be pushing the absolute extremes of what the game offers.

[shovelquest]

It is not suppose to be a job. It is a game.

https://i.imgur.com/Vd62MXu.png

[Gloomlord]

I think it’s annoying when someone helps with unsolicited class tips. It seems you were just trying to keep the pulls flowing. It’s not a tall order and anyone could have done this. The person seems overactive, at least in how it’s presented.

I find a lot of people on p99 to be lazy or at least inside-the-box thinkers. It’s painful to watch with a class that offers so much more. All the more reason if someone wants to do very little they should roll a class like a rogue or cleric. There is still a high ceiling of performance for a good player but a crap one will still be passable.

Finally, someone gets it.

I don't mind if he wanted to be lazy, but I had no clarity, so I couldn't root pulls for him. It's a lose-lose situation where if I speak up, I suffer. If I do not speak up, I suffer.

His fellow guildie took his side, said I wanted to "just argue instead of xp", left and then the group dissolved shortly after. That was the price I payed for wanting someone to do the bare minimum whilst I did the most labourious task in the group.

In response to Jimjam: I completely understand the sentiment. However, is simply asking for a tab-cycle, then a keybind to cast Flash of Light to aggro the next pull really demanding so much of a person? I was doing my job to keep the exp flowing as fast as I could.

[Jimjam]

Maybe he was embarrassed as he hadn’t managed to save up the 2 gold to buy FoL yet?

[shovelquest]

Oh god if you're going to ask me for clarity forget it.

[Salaryman]

RED99

[branamil]

"Please work extra hard for 2.5% increased XP gain in a game for underemployed dads where reaching max level doesn't matter"

That's how you sound. GFY

[cd288]

It is not suppose to be a job. I already spent 9 hours at work. I play for fun after getting home. It is a game.

Sure. But in this situation what you're also saying is OP should pull, tank, and CC while you sit there pressing auto attack and paying half attention while you watch TV. I agree with OP. If I asked that Pally if he could help with some FoLs occasionally and they bitched and moaned about it I would've just kicked them /shrug

[Snaggles]

^

I have a number of toons. If I’m feeling like doing very little the mage is great. /assist, /pet kill and a DS on the tank and you’re like 95% efficiency for exp grinding.

A spare knight who is lazy as well? Oh lucky lucky us…

[shovelquest]

The game I play is to see how long I can get EXP in a group while being "AFK"

https://i.imgur.com/M3xiIb1.gif

[Jimjam]

The game I play is to see how long I can get EXP in a group while being "AFK"

https://i.imgur.com/M3xiIb1.gif

The trick is badly gear a warrior so you end up not tanking, can’t be trusted to pull but you don’t draw much xp so you are tolerated toggling auto attack every 2 mins… right?

[shovelquest]

Activi tells the group: "Can you pull or something?"

I tell the group:

wnQ0HK0csHc

Actgivi tells the group: Nevermind ill just keep pulling then.

[Gloomlord]

Sure. But in this situation what you're also saying is OP should pull, tank, and CC while you sit there pressing auto attack and paying half attention while you watch TV. I agree with OP. If I asked that Pally if he could help with some FoLs occasionally and they bitched and moaned about it I would've just kicked them /shrug

That's the thing, yeah.

Do you know how many groups I've been in where I have do all 3 roles? It's totally exhausting.

"Please work extra hard for 2.5% increased XP gain in a game for underemployed dads where reaching max level doesn't matter"

That's how you sound. GFY

"Please accommodate my already labourious task of pulling by aggroing my pulls, because I do not have C to root the targets for you." Fixed that for you.

What a totally desperate attempt at making me look bad. Is there something you're not telling us?

[PatChapp]

That's the thing, yeah.

Do you know how many groups I've been in where I have do all 3 roles? It's totally exhausting.



"Please accommodate my already labourious task of pulling by aggroing my pulls, because I do not have C to root the targets for you." Fixed that for you.

What a totally desperate attempt at making me look bad. Is there something you're not telling us?

Pulling is fun,if you find any part of a video game laborious you probably need a break.

Your doing a fine enough job making yourself look bad,you don't need any help

[shovelquest]

My favorite things in games is watching team based game communities go from..

"THIS IS THE GREATEST!"

to..

"Everyone is a toxic FUCK FACE i HATE people! NOTHING works in society, we need AUTHORTARIANISM!"

[Duik]

Nobody ever asks for that last bit mate.
It's what you get when you get tricked into believing a billionaire will "Do the right thing by society" and not tear down all the checks and protections.
You guys are so screwed.

And lolocaust @ AUTHORTARIANISM.
AUTHORTARIANISM: Society controlled by book writers

[shovelquest]

Nobody ever asks for that last bit mate.
It's what you get when you get tricked into believing a billionaire will "Do the right thing by society" and not tear down all the checks and protections.
You guys are so screwed.

And lolocaust @ AUTHORTARIANISM.
AUTHORTARIANISM: Society controlled by book writers

Bad teams coordination is a result of billionares?

Man, you have a 1 stop solution to all things: Force everyone to worship the same god instead of exchanging goods for services.

[Duik]

Are you sure english is your first language mate?
Your comprehension sorta sux.

Good luck reading anything and gleening anything but "I have preconceived ideas that I will never change regardless of the input".
God seems to be your crutch. Eventually the man with the broken leg drops his crutches and walks on his own.

[shovelquest]

Are you sure english is your first language mate?
Your comprehension sorta sux.

Good luck reading anything and gleening anything but "I have preconceived ideas that I will never change regardless of the input".
God seems to be your crutch. Eventually the man with the broken leg drops his crutches and walks on his own.

nerd alert!

We're talking about video games here.

[Gloomlord]

Pulling is fun,if you find any part of a video game laborious you probably need a break.

Your doing a fine enough job making yourself look bad,you don't need any help

I think you lack reading comprehension, or maybe you're just desperate for a self-righteous ego boost?

I find doing 2-3 tasks for 3+ hours in a group exhausting. But that's not what I'm complaining about specifically. It's when people just want a free ride when they could just be helping me.

I've had a blast pulling on my Bard in CoM. Probably the most fun I've ever had in this game. It's just when I play a Paladin, I don't particularly want to be doing multiple roles if I can help it.

[branamil]

I think you lack reading comprehension, or maybe you're just desperate for a self-righteous ego boost?

I find doing 2-3 tasks for 3+ hours in a group exhausting. But that's not what I'm complaining about specifically. It's when people just want a free ride when they could just be helping me.

I've had a blast pulling on my Bard in CoM. Probably the most fun I've ever had in this game. It's just when I play a Paladin, I don't particularly want to be doing multiple roles if I can help it.

You seem very defensive. Also the fact that you're taking elven message boards seriously is a sign you need a healthier outlet.

[Gloomlord]

But PatChapp doesn't seem "offensive"?

Honestly, I think I'm probably hitting a nerve with some of you here -- considering you've probably been like this paladin.

[Snaggles]

It’s just a good reminder to group with friends or solo without them.

[TrevarianX]

TWO Paladins in ONE group?

[Reiwa]

Anyway so what happens when FoL gets resisted automatically which is very often
?

Is the paladin already tanking or did you just wanna boss him around some more?

[shovelquest]

Then you give a good talking to the ENC for being too slow with tash.

[Popet]

2-3 tasks multiple roles
Tank AND dps at the same time. Wow. Claims credit for crowd control, but doesn't cast root without clarity. Nice. Maximizes xp by badgering group members to help him increase pull rate by 10% until everyone leaves. Classic. Posts for attention and validation, learns nothing. A man after my own heart. Can't tell when no one is buying his bullshit, or doesn't care, because he's getting replies. Action! Drama! Yes! Yes! Nobody understands him. Especially not me. The problem isn't me, it's you! All of you! One of us! One of us! Truly the hero we all deserve.

My favorite move is to delete toons before they reach level 2. Saves so much work. Not forumposting? Now that's just a little too hardcore. I don't know if I'm ready to go that far.

[Gloomlord]

Anyway so what happens when FoL gets resisted automatically which is very often?

That's still good, because a resisted FoL still produces aggro.


Is the paladin already tanking or did you just wanna boss him around some more?

The paladin is aggroing a new target like he's supposed to, whilst the old target, which will be around 10%, is finished off by the DPS and the puller.

It's the standard way to ensure constant exp in a static camp.

[Salaryman]

i tried playing blue and was frustrated when I couldnt kill my incompetent group members,

Now Im the Top Number #1 PVPER in all of EverQuest History.

[Gloomlord]

Tank AND dps at the same time. Wow. Claims credit for crowd control, but doesn't cast root without clarity. Nice. Maximizes xp by badgering group members to help him increase pull rate by 10% until everyone leaves. Classic. Posts for attention and validation, learns nothing. A man after my own heart. Can't tell when no one is buying his bullshit, or doesn't care, because he's getting replies. Action! Drama! Yes! Yes! Nobody understands him. Especially not me. The problem isn't me, it's you! All of you! One of us! One of us! Truly the hero we all deserve.

My favorite move is to delete toons before they reach level 2. Saves so much work. Not forumposting? Now that's just a little too hardcore. I don't know if I'm ready to go that far.

Totally insane behaviour you're displaying here. Do I have to explain again why someone like you is wrong, or is it going to go straight over your head?

You're not even intelligent enough to understand that people pass by and give you POTG and Clarity, even if your group contains none of the classes that give you those buffs. Someone has to CC when they go, you comprehend?

Wow! Clueless self-righteous hypocrisy!

Edit: Furthermore, genius: I didn't claim DPS as one of those roles. I said Tank, Puller and CC. Learn how to read once in your life...

[Jimjam]

Try turning on autoattack. i’ve found it to be a really useful feature.

[Gloomlord]

Getting the confirmation I wanted when I made this thread.

Honestly, though: this game is full of lazy people who are no doubt inebriated on drugs and alcohol a lot of the time.

[shovelquest]

Millennials ruined everything, they even turned super Mario brothers into job.

[branamil]

You're not optimizing my goblin slaying!!!11111

At this rate I will be BiS in 4.5 months instead of 4.32 months!!!!11

A curse upon you sluggard!!!1

[Trexller]

Getting the confirmation I wanted when I made this thread.

Honestly, though: this game is full of lazy people who are no doubt inebriated on drugs and alcohol a lot of the time.

Sobriety is so overrated though, it's rarely even necessary in our mundane workaday lives. Nobody is gonna invade, we don't have to hunt animals to survive. Fresh clean water flows directly into our homes.

If you can't do your job while stoned then you are just bad at your job!

https://i.imgflip.com/3jkw9r.jpg

[Gloomlord]

You're not optimizing my goblin slaying!!!11111

At this rate I will be BiS in 4.5 months instead of 4.32 months!!!!11

A curse upon you sluggard!!!1

I mean, you jest, but noone I've seen from another MMORPG is this lazy. Maybe they're not playing optimally, but they're not lazy. This is a uniquely EverQuest thing.

EverQuest is barely a "game" at that point if you guys are trying to get on your high horse over a guy complaining he uses his abilities to help the exp process along.

Hey, but if my topic appeases your desires to inflate your own egos, go ahead.

[shovelquest]

OK you're catching on. Im going to reveal a big secret about everquest.

It is REAL LIFE.

It's not an "mmo" which is why it feels unlike any other "mmo"...

In this world you will experience exactly what you are capable of doing in the physical world, because they are the same place. Everquest is real. It is real life.

And in real life, most people are lazy.

[Gloomlord]

I get that you like this game, but I think that's over-glorifying it a little.

It's more that EverQuest is a low APM game (except if you're playing Bard to any decent level), and you can get away with doing minimal actions. Contrast that with WoW, where you don't sit down at a camp, and every person in the group moves in unison.

[shovelquest]

its not a game its IRL

[Gloomlord]

Maybe you're right, but not in the way you think. Maybe this is just a glorified chat room rather than a game.

In which case, I probably need to leave, because this is not my idea of entertainment.

[Grimlust666]

Maybe you're right, but not in the way you think. Maybe this is just a glorified chat room rather than a game.

In which case, I probably need to leave, because this is not my idea of entertainment.

Take a deep breath. It's okay to not be the best or more efficient sometimes. What makes p99 great is the people, not the exp per hour.

[Gloomlord]

But when being more efficient is simply pressing 2 more buttons, target cycle and a spell, and I'm made to look bad for wanting help to do my job, then I don't think the p99 community is as great as they say.

I mean, the community is "chill", but this reveals there is a darker side to that. Someone has to do the not so chill jobs of a group, and people don't care about what that person is responsible for.

I don't even think I'm a "super sweaty tryhard", either. You mock me for being a slave-driver, but you really need to check out other players in other games and their communities. I'm very much a "casual".

What I demanded from that paladin, and from other people I've played with, is pretty reasonable.

[shovelquest]

With pugs in this kind of game, sometimes you're gonna be in an amazing group, and sometimes you're going to be in a retarded one, but it's all part of the greater experience.

d715Bhcwuf4

[Popet]

Wow! Clueless self-righteous hypocrisy!
Guilty. Thanks for pointing it out.

[Duik]

What I demanded from that paladin, and from other people I've played with, is pretty reasonable

There is ya problem right there.

[Gloomlord]

There is such a thing as a reasonable demand.

I'm not really put into a good position where I can be anything other than assertive.

[Jimjam]

You can politely ask and accept refusal as you ain’t owed chips.

[Gloomlord]

Not another one of these "you aren't owed x".

That hypocritical behaviour needs to stop. Yes, I am owed some help by a teammate when I pull.

[shovelquest]

This is just like an IRL debate!

[DeathsSilkyMist]

There is such a thing as a reasonable demand.

I'm not really put into a good position where I can be anything other than assertive.

There is a reason why premade groups exist. If you want consistency and efficiency, you make a premade group. A lot of the players you want to play with aren't in PUGs because they have a premade group or trusted set of friends already. This is because they want efficiency and consistency.

Whenever I join a PUG I don't expect anything. If I want more efficiency in a PUG, I do the work to make that happen to the best of my abilities. You can't expect everybody to be in the mood to be efficient at all times in a PUG. If they wanted to be efficient, they would be soloing or in a premade.

[Gloomlord]

Perhaps.

To me, though, since EQ is such an easy game from a mechanical level, I don't see why it's such a chore for a lot of people.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Perhaps.

To me, though, since EQ is such an easy game from a mechanical level, I don't see why it's such a chore for a lot of people.

There are quite a few P99 players who don't mind spending years slowly leveling their characters. That is one of the charms of P99. It's been around for 10+ years, so people don't feel rushed to get to the end. They can play slow, take a break, be lazy, and their characters will still be around next year.

P99 doesn't have timed incentives like other games, so people approach P99 differently than other games like the Diablo 2 ladder season. Some people play simply for nostalgia too.

I would consider looking for a premade group, or joining a high end raiding guild if you want more efficient groups consistently.

[Jimjam]

Very good points DSM.

[shovelquest]

I don't see why it's such a chore for a lot of people.

Gp-CaTlxjLY

[eqravenprince]

After a long hiatus from the game, I've decided to come back and play my paladin, Hospitaller.

I ask a fellow paladin in Velks to FoL incoming mobs when the MT is around 10-20% for efficiency sake, and he gets angry and complains. He eventually leaves because I became frustrated with trying to reason with him.

Why even play this game if you can't even be bothered to do the simplest thing?

FoL is what? Flash of Light, Flame of Light, I'd like to hear your reasoning for how it makes things more efficient.

[Gloomlord]

Flash of Light. It's for snap aggro. In this case, it's for snap aggro on a new pulled mob, and then the rest of the group finish the last target.

[Duik]

Perhaps.

To me, though, since EQ is such an easy game from a mechanical level, I don't see why it's such a chore for a lot of people.

That's right. You can't suspend your disbelief long enough to see this game through anothers eyes.

In a vacuum, you are correct and I cant believe I'm saying this but DSM is correct (dangnabbit!). We all play differently at times.
I see your point and I would not need to be prompted to FoL in that situation. Luckily not everyone is me.

[Swish]

Should fire the paladin and get a sexy SK instead. They put some effort in instead of going fake AFK in the tunnel and fapping to how many inspects they get.

[Snaggles]

There is a big difference between trying to coach a group to be more efficient and giving someone class notes. I probably would have asked if they can pull some too, which would have accomplished the same goal (more kills, less sitting) while giving them the autonomy to play how they want.

Who knows though? I expect this person would have still ragequit. P99 folks are pretty damn sensitive. I feel like even asking for buffs takes the social grace of a debutant.

[Jimjam]

When I play an enc or shaman I ensure I cast my best slow on all the green mobs so I can roll my eyes in exasperation when melee have the audacity to request a haste. Can’t you see I’m oom?! Work on your aggro!!

[Melodyy]

To the op: you came here looking for answers so I'll give you my take: your problems are of your own making, not lazy people.

You may be a good guy irl, but in-game you come across as an arrogant know-it-all that constantly tells every class--not just paladins--what they need to do, when they need to do it and where and how too. Yes, people are talking about you, and it's not positive. One thing you have going for you is you're a tank and some groups will take you in, but any group, given the choice between you and another tank, well, you'll lose. And you're an ok paladin, you pull well and generally keep mobs off of the others which is important. It's the attitude you bring. It's no wonder you joined the guild that you did, they fit well with your demeanor.

You mentioned earlier that you recently came back to the game after a long break. Not much speculation is needed to figure out why that happened. Maybe it's time for another, longer break.

In the meantime, you might try to tone it down some. It's probably not too late to regain a better reputation. Just keep in mind this is a game many of us enjoy relaxing with, and we want to have fun while we're playing. You haven't helped us do that at all.

By the way, was this too harsh? Since this thread started I've thought it should be moved to rants and flames.

[Snaggles]

To the op: you came here looking for answers so I'll give you my take: your problems are of your own making, not lazy people.

You may be a good guy irl, but in-game you come across as an arrogant know-it-all that constantly tells every class--not just paladins--what they need to do, when they need to do it and where and how too. Yes, people are talking about you, and it's not positive. One thing you have going for you is you're a tank and some groups will take you in, but any group, given the choice between you and another tank, well, you'll lose. And you're an ok paladin, you pull well and generally keep mobs off of the others which is important. It's the attitude you bring. It's no wonder you joined the guild that you did, they fit well with your demeanor.

You mentioned earlier that you recently came back to the game after a long break. Not much speculation is needed to figure out why that happened. Maybe it's time for another, longer break.

In the meantime, you might try to tone it down some. It's probably not too late to regain a better reputation. Just keep in mind this is a game many of us enjoy relaxing with, and we want to have fun while we're playing. You haven't helped us do that at all.

By the way, was this too harsh? Since this thread started I've thought it should be moved to rants and flames.

After reading this I re-read the original post and am a bit lost. It’s entirely possible a bit of column A and a bit of column B. The OP is giving one side of the situation and it’s possible they were more abrasive than described.

It’s also possible for a paladin to be lazy AF and just want to autoattack stuff that gets pulled to them. There are far more lazy hybrids than ones pushing the envelope (or even meeting the status quo of their abilities).

I’ve said the approach could likely have been tweaked. However, asking someone to help pull for example is not a crazy request. The game isn’t that hard…anyone can do it.

[Melodyy]

After reading this I re-read the original post and am a bit lost. It’s entirely possible a bit of column A and a bit of column B. The OP is giving one side of the situation and it’s possible they were more abrasive than described.


The OP's first post may appear isolated, but since then it has evolved to where he has PO'd almost everyone.

I've said my piece and counted to 3 ...

[Gloomlord]

There is a big difference between trying to coach a group to be more efficient and giving someone class notes. I probably would have asked if they can pull some too, which would have accomplished the same goal (more kills, less sitting) while giving them the autonomy to play how they want.

Who knows though? I expect this person would have still ragequit. P99 folks are pretty damn sensitive. I feel like even asking for buffs takes the social grace of a debutant.

Your second paragraph summarised this perfectly. P99 people, in general, may be "chill", but they are sensitive and lazy. It's a case "but inside doesn't matter". It doesn't matter what you feel is right morally or logically deep down -- you have to accommodate the norm of your environment.

As for what Melodyy is saying: you need to elaborate on how I've PO'd "everyone". A few excursions in Velks is enough to warrant this statement?

I joined Safe Space because I really do not have many options as an Australian with the time zones, but whatever.

I honestly think, whomever you are, you either just want to get on your high horse to judge me here, or you're not understanding I'm trying to be a good paladin. It's utterly exhausting trying to do so many roles sometimes. All I want is a little help.

I will get confrontational if I feel you don't pull your weight in group. I even removed a rogue yesterday for going AFK for too many times without notification. I fully admit that.

[Swish]

I like the OP and see where he's coming from.

[Snaggles]

Same. This read as the expectation for a Bell Curve group participant. Some people are very bad, some amazing…most in that middle of normal.

We all have life frustrations outside the game. I can see this person (not the OP) just having a bad day. When I have those, I don’t seek out a PuG though.

[cd288]

There is a big difference between trying to coach a group to be more efficient and giving someone class notes. I probably would have asked if they can pull some too, which would have accomplished the same goal (more kills, less sitting) while giving them the autonomy to play how they want.

Who knows though? I expect this person would have still ragequit. P99 folks are pretty damn sensitive. I feel like even asking for buffs takes the social grace of a debutant.

In my experience they'd probably get even more annoyed if you asked them to pull since that's more work lol

[kjs86z2]

We all still play this game due to mental illness