HoH a good option for a warrior?

[questever]

Is it valid forking over the plat for the horn of hsagra on a warrior or should I venture else ware?

[Solist]

For what? Leveling solo/duo:trio? Sure.

But a reaver is better.

For tanking raid content? Maybe as an offhand, once you have a massive aggro lead, on mobs AC even matters on. I’ve done that heaps

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Using my DPS calculator:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3733560&postcount=41

A level 60 Warrior with 255 STR and 100% Haste is doing roughly 67 DPS with HoH mainhand and Blade of Carnage offhand against a trash mob around level 60.

A level 60 Warrior with the same stats against the same trash mob is doing 66 DPS with Reaver.

In the low 50s HoH and BoC will out DPS Reaver because the 2H damage bonus is lower. HoH and BoC is like 42 DPS vs Reaver's 38 DPS for a level 50 Warrior with 255 STR and 100% Haste fighting a mob around level 50.

All that being said, Reaver only costs around 5k, and HoH + BoC is like 160k total. If you are rich and have nothing to spend money on, HoH will serve you well DPS wise until you get no drop raid weapons. If you aren't rich, HoH isn't worth it.

[Goregasmic]

Isn't there a flat hate bonus per swing meaning as a tanking warrior you're almost always better off with 2x 1h if you're going to disregard procs anyway?

Depends a lot on the content you do also. BOC and HOH are pretty solid statwise if you don't just want resists. If you're raiding or poor, reaver all the way I guess.

It seems the big barrier for most people is are you able to tolerate missing a couple times in a row with a slow 2 hander? :D

[Naethyn]

Warrior piercing caps at 240. The rest are 250.

[Goregasmic]

Warrior piercing caps at 240. The rest are 250.

His damage calculator takes it into account and 1Hs still come on top.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

His damage calculator takes it into account and 1Hs still come on top.

For weapon skills specifically my calculator is using the highest weapon skill cap for each class. This is so people don't need to specify 1hb, 1hs, piercing, etc. every time they change weapon stats.

You can manually set all the relevant skills, including weapon skill, by turning off "scaleOffensiveSkillsBasedOnPlayerLevel". The variables below that are for your main hand weapon skill, offhand weapon skill, offense skill, double attack skill, and dual wield skill.

When setting the mainhand weapon skill to 240 instead of defaulting to 250, DPS from HoH + BoC drops by 1 DPS. So both Reaver and HoH + BoC will do 66 DPS at level 60 with 255 STR and 100% Haste against a trash mob around level 60. At level 50 HoH + BoC still out DPSes Reaver.


Warrior piercing caps at 240. The rest are 250.

So thank you to Naethyn for bringing that up. In the end it didn't change the DPS enough to matter.

[Solist]

Isn't there a flat hate bonus per swing meaning as a tanking warrior you're almost always better off with 2x 1h if you're going to disregard procs anyway?

Depends a lot on the content you do also. BOC and HOH are pretty solid statwise if you don't just want resists. If you're raiding or poor, reaver all the way I guess.

It seems the big barrier for most people is are you able to tolerate missing a couple times in a row with a slow 2 hander? :D

No. There is not a flathate bonus.

There is a hate bonus directly calculated from weapon damage and damage bonus.

2H aggro is fine, due to larger weapon damage, and damage bonus.

[Snaggles]

I’d burn the plat in damage shield potions or bribe people for buffs. That and a reaver will go further. Stuff like an Eyepatch of Plunder too.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I’d burn the plat in damage shield potions or bribe people for buffs. That and a reaver will go further. Stuff like an Eyepatch of Plunder too.

The HoH money going to an Eyepatch of Plunder MQ is a smart move. I did the camp once myself. Will never do it again. I got super lucky and a quake happened while I was watching. Everyone else in line was AFK. Was able to pay for the Lodi map off the people who killed Lodi too. Got the whole thing done in like 30 mins.

[Goregasmic]

No. There is not a flathate bonus.

There is a hate bonus directly calculated from weapon damage and damage bonus.

2H aggro is fine, due to larger weapon damage, and damage bonus.

Yeah I misremembered. You get threat per swing even if you miss. If you get the same DPS with 1handers despite the miss rate of your OH I'd assume you'd get significantly more hate generated but I could be wrong.

[Snaggles]

The HoH money going to an Eyepatch of Plunder MQ is a smart move. I did the camp once myself. Will never do it again. I got super lucky and a quake happened while I was watching. Everyone else in line was AFK. Was able to pay for the Lodi map off the people who killed Lodi too. Got the whole thing done in like 30 mins.

Yea I did two on live and remember them like a kid who was forced to eat Brussels sprouts and now can’t appreciate them as an adult.

[questever]

Is there a level requirement on the Eyepatch of Plunder?

And what's the going rate for the MQ?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Is there a level requirement on the Eyepatch of Plunder?

And what's the going rate for the MQ?

Wiki doesn't list a level requirement, so it may not. Can't say for sure since I've never twinked a low level with one.

As for price, my brain wants to say I saw someone sell Stormfeather Loot Rights for 60k a few years ago. Can't find that post to confirm it though. With a search on the forums and the tunnel discord I've seen 20k to 40k as numbers, but I don't know if those sales ever happened. Those were WTB posts.

When I bought lodi map a few years ago I think I paid 20k for the loot rights. This was on blue.

It should be somewhere around 80k in total if you buy both maps. But I could be wrong.

[Snaggles]

I think DSM’s quote might be a bit high, at least on blue. I thought stormfeather was like 30-40k and the Loddy map 5-10.

I recall seeing someone do that as low as level 30ish but don’t hold me to it. Really though, with a fungi and decent weapons a warrior won’t even slow down until mid 40’s. Unless you are hunting like Kunark or Velious things or way outside your level range.

[Infectious]

I’d burn the plat in damage shield potions or bribe people for buffs. That and a reaver will go further. Stuff like an Eyepatch of Plunder too.

This is the way. Damage shield potions after like 35 really start to add up in dps on mobs.

[PatChapp]

Is there a level requirement on the Eyepatch of Plunder?

And what's the going rate for the MQ?

I can confirm it can be clicked by a level 20,but not sure on lower. On green storm feather goes for 20-25range and maybe 10 max for lodi map

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I think DSM’s quote might be a bit high, at least on blue. I thought stormfeather was like 30-40k and the Loddy map 5-10.

I recall seeing someone do that as low as level 30ish but don’t hold me to it. Really though, with a fungi and decent weapons a warrior won’t even slow down until mid 40’s. Unless you are hunting like Kunark or Velious things or way outside your level range.

Yeah my numbers for the Eyepatch price could be off for sure. Hopefully that is the case, cheaper is better!

[Solist]

Is there a level requirement on the Eyepatch of Plunder?

And what's the going rate for the MQ?

Not that I recall. I’ve done several at level 5.

[Keebz]

Blowing a bunch of plat on an eyepatch MQ is a very low value move. Barely moves the needle for solo / grouping as a war. And while it's a reasonble entry level raid face slot, if you're already raiding, you're going to replace it sooner or later.

[Snaggles]

Blowing a bunch of plat on an eyepatch MQ is a very low value move. Barely moves the needle for solo / grouping as a war. And while it's a reasonble entry level raid face slot, if you're already raiding, you're going to replace it sooner or later.

I don’t know if I’d say a bunch of plat. It’s still roughly half the price of a Yeli mask.
If you are in a guild regularly killing Eashen, Vulak, Doz sure but it can still be bagged for the emergency haste. My pally doesn’t have one but for an aggro limited class haste is worth its weight in gold.

I’d definitely save my plat over buying a HoH. If anything get a SBOZ and save 2/3rds the plat for just as good of a weapon.

[PatChapp]

Very useful item for leveling a warrior. Going from 34/36% haste to 54/56 is a massive dps increase.
I mean the ultimate Chad move is to make a gnome and use the 40% clicky arms,but this is next best.

[Snaggles]

Innate double-shrink and 2x Plunder haste without going to iceclad is definitely worth considering.