Daybreak sues THJ

[Ekco]

Well, i hope someone has a melty about it. THJ subreddit doesn't appear that active

I'm sure we'll have some good threads/posts to read here though

[shovelquest]

Yeah, I think most THJ people have come to terms with it. But there's bound to be some rage posts.

Personally if we're talking online drama imagine the fallout if DBG loses and the kind of conversations that would start. That'd be super interesting.

I feel like how DBG manages EQ, is tantamount to just holding it hostage more than doing anything with it.

I think there is some crossover, with the "stop killing games" movement, or things to be said about the EMU community doing more with it than the owners do.

[Duik]

Emus have one job.

Don't make money. Im thinkin' it really is this simple.
Having said that, I do think employing some of the devs to make what people clearly want is clever. But as shovel (and others) has said, they appear to just be placeholdering the EQ IP to milk it with little to no input on their part until its cellular death.

[atomicpaul]

i wonder if there's a counter-movement to stop killing games i can donate time or money to. otherwise, the kill more games movement starts here on this forum

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Still can't stop the trend toward more active and healthy lifestyles among younger people and that spells the end of the game design, even if you could free the IP. Aerobics, Pilates, and yoga are today's "Everquest."

[vales]

Still can't stop the trend toward more active and healthy lifestyles among younger people and that spells the end of the game design, even if you could free the IP. Aerobics, Pilates, and yoga are today's "Everquest."
no, they're all mobile games instead

chinese phone games have bigger budgets and playerbases than even world of warcraft

[shovelquest]

Emus have one job.

Don't make money. Im thinkin' it really is this simple.
Having said that, I do think employing some of the devs to make what people clearly want is clever. But as shovel (and others) has said, they appear to just be placeholdering the EQ IP to milk it with little to no input on their part until its cellular death.

Ok Karen.

[shovelquest]

Wait I take it back you gave me a small win.

[onmove_broke]

Because DBG wants them to hand over all their code and they dont to.

Well, I am not sure they would be able to get it , but at the least they can get the server shut down.

[Duik]

Wait I take it back you gave me a small win.

It was a mistake.
It wont happen again.
Until you make another good point.
No wait.

[shovelquest]

It was a mistake.
It wont happen again.
Until you make another good point.
No wait.

Too late, you're redpilled now.

[Xathos53]

I received this news today (https://www.thegamer.com/nintendo-switch-modder-pay-2-million-settlement/?utm_source=TG-NL&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=TG-202509081228&user=Z2xvaW5lMzZAZ21haWwuY29t&lctg=d405925d1337e13c91f5257d1118edd52bd7244225132 595efdffe8941e258ff) from TheGamer regarding Nintendo's lawsuit against a modder. I'm not certain how much money the guy made in the end after he pays the $2M fine, but he's better off than the other guy the article mentions. That guy has to fork over $10M and that's after more than a year in jail.

One more point. Note that Daly settled out of court which probably kept the fine low. The other guy went all the way to trial and lost. You can read about that in this article (https://www.thegamer.com/nintendo-hacker-gary-bowser-released-prison-still-owes-10-million/). So, when you start to compare these cases against DBG's case, it sure does indicate the final result. Right now it's just a matter of how long THJ can drag it out, but I have a feeling that's not a viable strategy in the long run because it just makes it more and more expensive for them in lawyer fees and inevitable fines or settlement.

[Xathos53]

Im arguing that the reason the lawsuit is happenig is because of how big they got.

The donation system is the tool they use to file the lawsuit.

If they had no donations, it'd have been harder for them to shut them down but they likely still would have.

I don't even think p99 hit THJ numbers at its peak. But I could be wrong.

I see your point about the numbers but I don't think that's the sole reason. I just have a feeling it's more about the money, but population could definitely be a factor as well. When I played p99 back in 2011 for the first time, I think we were routinely hitting over 2k in peak times. I do not recall if it was over 3k or not. I've played on and off since then, but I don't recall any EQ emu hitting 2k before THJ although Shards of Dalaya could be one that did. It was popular before I got into the emu.

[Ekco]

the Sony 2014 hack happened in retaliation for them going after a console modder, so there's that to consider also

[Reiwa]

I received this news today (https://www.thegamer.com/nintendo-switch-modder-pay-2-million-settlement/?utm_source=TG-NL&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=TG-202509081228&user=Z2xvaW5lMzZAZ21haWwuY29t&lctg=d405925d1337e13c91f5257d1118edd52bd7244225132 595efdffe8941e258ff) from TheGamer regarding Nintendo's lawsuit against a modder. I'm not certain how much money the guy made in the end after he pays the $2M fine, but he's better off than the other guy the article mentions. That guy has to fork over $10M and that's after more than a year in jail.

One more point. Note that Daly settled out of court which probably kept the fine low. The other guy went all the way to trial and lost. You can read about that in this article (https://www.thegamer.com/nintendo-hacker-gary-bowser-released-prison-still-owes-10-million/). So, when you start to compare these cases against DBG's case, it sure does indicate the final result. Right now it's just a matter of how long THJ can drag it out, but I have a feeling that's not a viable strategy in the long run because it just makes it more and more expensive for them in lawyer fees and inevitable fines or settlement.

Did they go to jail for the infringement or for being a contempt ignorey bear?

[Reiwa]

Pro se against a billion dollar enterprise is certainly a style

[shovelquest]

Idk but xathos does bring up a good point that going all the way through the court is risky for THJ i bet, Ive heard before settling is much better than what loosing would be in general.

[Reiwa]

New laws. This Kochi Prefecture bitch, they don't play.

[Irespectwomen]

Greed is litreally some jack boot thug buying an IP with zero intention to develop it just to make a meager amount of money selling products to junkies that pay for 18 different accounts to play a game that the core fan base left because the owners of the IP hate them.

This would be like firing you from your job for not making the mcburgers as the advertisements portray them.

[shovelquest]

This would be like firing you from your job for not making the mcburgers as the advertisements portray them.

WLRsNA6Tt3c

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

We settled this last winter. The statement to the investors or whatever entities need to see a return, declared that DPG has a roster of games all in what we might call "warehouse" status. The properties will be kept up, with the metric being to keep the IP's at a warehoused level of activity. Which they enjoy.

Unless and until that level alters downward, the people with money involved have no concern about our pixels. The entire basis of the statement was, this game is on a purely custodial category in the company's overall business plan. You can't penetrate the layers of we don't care, when it comes to the live and TLP servers.

[Cecily]

i wonder if there's a counter-movement to stop killing games i can donate time or money to. otherwise, the kill more games movement starts here on this forum

I'm on board with this. The market is absolutely flooded with bad titles.

[shovelquest]

Steam destroyed the video game industry.

I miss when konami and bandai and nintendo and sony had control over what we got to play.

Computers and computer games were nice at first but with everything the west does we took it too far.

[Xer0]

Steam destroyed the video game industry.

I miss when konami and bandai and nintendo and sony had control over what we got to play.

Computers and computer games were nice at first but with everything the west does we took it too far.

nintendo can suck it. Gonna have to remove magicians, necromancers, enchanters, shadowknights from the game. and shaman/dru gonna need their pets revoked to avoid lawsuits.

[shovelquest]

DBG litreally blaming THJ for their flop.

https://i.imgur.com/HdxSdfw.png

This is why there is a lawsuit. They make shitty servers and nobody wants to play their shitty servers when there are excellent ones out there made by people who care about the game and the legacy.

[shovelquest]

DBG cares not at all about how much they made.

They literally think they can't compete with THJ.

https://i.imgur.com/RC5m424.png

[Cecily]

Counterpoint, it's their IP and they shouldn't have to. Not in the way you think. I mean legally.

[shovelquest]

Thanks for mansplaining that to me.

I never said they should.

[Cecily]

Sorry for triggering you, snowflake. I see you triple posting and I guess that's your way to coping with the inevitable. Sorry it strikes you as unfair. Why don't you take a Xanax and take the edge off?

[shovelquest]

Why don't you take a Xanax and take the edge off?

Because unlike you I don't need surgery to relax.

[Cecily]

Because unlike you I don't need surgery to relax.

The only reason I'd need surgery is to have sex with closeted conservatives.

[Ekco]

https://gifdb.com/images/thumbnail/angry-casey-frey-damn-thats-hot-oghgy7rf3h7jqcfa.gif

never hear about that one app crashing at other conventions, it's not the 1950s they want back it's AD 50

[Cecily]

Omg my friend used to bank escorting in DC.

simV1ZXFsxI

[shovelquest]

Guys, it's ok to be gay.

[Ekco]

it's okay to be gay but not okay to watch asmongold

i think we've covered a lot of ground today.

[shovelquest]

What were we talk'n about again?

[Infectious]

The only reason I'd need surgery is to have sex with closeted conservatives.

Let us know when your menstrual cycle begins. Curious how two men conceives a child:eek:

[sammoHung]

What were we talk'n about again?

If you were going to strip all of your toons of droppable loot, sell it, and twink one character to play forever - with no option of ever switching - what class would it be, and what would you buy?

[Cecily]

Let us know when your menstrual cycle begins. Curious how two men conceives a child:eek:

Well, first of all, with God, all things are possible, so jot that down.

[Ciderpress]

Nobody cares what people do with their junk. Like truly, nobody cares. They don't have a problem with it, and they also don't think you're the next rosa parks for doing unconventional junk stuff. 99% of people are pretty neutral on it until people start making unreasonable demands and wearing assless chaps and ball gags in front of kids. Pretty reasonable stance imho.

[Duik]

Well, first of all, with God, all things are possible, so jot that down.

Bam. That just happened.

[Duik]

Nobody cares what people do with their junk. Like truly, nobody cares. They don't have a problem with it, and they also don't think you're the next rosa parks for doing unconventional junk stuff. 99% of people are pretty neutral on it until people start making unreasonable demands and wearing assless chaps and ball gags in front of kids. Pretty reasonable stance imho.
Thats right. But its the 0.1% of "influencers" with millions of SocMed followers with "gotcha" statements that extoll the virtues of stonings for gays and lethal injections for homeless (to name a few) that create the shitfight we see right now.

[Ekco]

God has the opportunity to do the funniest thing ever with a miracle

[shovelquest]

God has the opportunity to do the funniest thing ever with a miracle

Dude i was so hoping to see my boi rise on the 13th :p

[Reiwa]

Nobody cares what people do with their junk. Like truly, nobody cares. They don't have a problem with it, and they also don't think you're the next rosa parks for doing unconventional junk stuff. 99% of people are pretty neutral on it until people start making unreasonable demands and wearing assless chaps and ball gags in front of kids. Pretty reasonable stance imho.

How is a ball-gag any less/more sexual than a suit and tie?

[Infectious]

Well, first of all, with God, all things are possible, so jot that down.

Pretty sure God isn't the one you should making wishes to? There's special places in the afterlife for people like you.

[Tann]

It's fun watching a conservative family and that one weird liberal aunt get into a heated political debate on Thanksgiving but.. any idea's when this thread was last about Daybreak suing THJ?

[sammoHung]

It's fun watching a conservative family and that one weird liberal aunt get into a heated political debate on Thanksgiving but.. any idea's when this thread was last about Daybreak suing THJ?

I too, am curious on new developments in the THJ case. Last I heard, they were entering arbitration

[sammoHung]

Best I could find were mods on the THJ subreddit calling people names and getting downvoted.

https://imgur.com/a/q95wsYC

[sammoHung]

https://i.imgur.com/Q678myM.png

[sammoHung]

Also, seems the criticisms of THJ from people here are spot on. It's EZ-Mode, AFK gaming, akin to a mobile game.

https://i.imgur.com/X7hU3QH.png

It absolutely does not recreate the spirit of EverQuest in any form or fashion, besides using the assets and IP to create a whole new, boring ass, EZ God mode version of a single-player online game.

[kjs86z2]

yeah no shit what did you expect with triple class and AAs

[Jimjam]

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Mongrels!

[Tann]

Also, seems the criticisms of THJ from people here are spot on. It's EZ-Mode, AFK gaming, akin to a mobile game.

this^

once I figured out how to get any class combo setup to cap out on AA's overnight completely afk in DN goon cave I got bored and quit.

[Cecily]

The appeal is it's an ARPG version of EQ. You really think people want to play EverQuest in 2025? They're trapped here. When you spend time in the clink, you appreciate a little novelty.

Pretty sure God isn't the one you should making wishes to? There's special places in the afterlife for people like you.

https://i.imgur.com/V5ziRgF.jpeg

[sammoHung]

The appeal is it's an ARPG version of EQ. You really think people want to play EverQuest in 2025? They're trapped here. When you spend time in the clink, you appreciate a little novelty.


But besides the assets, lore and other IP - it does not resemble EQ at all. Seems like THJ wanted to cut out artists, designers and various programmers to create a game they could profit from without having to actually create a game.

[Cecily]

Yeah, I'd say that's the point. It appeals to people who are otherwise done with EQ. People really just want a new game, but they'll never be 17 again with unlimited time to be addicted a new genre of electronic crack rock. So they keep coming back to EQ.

[sammoHung]

Yeah, I'd say that's the point. It appeals to people who are otherwise done with EQ. People really just want a new game, but they'll never be 17 again with unlimited time to be addicted a new genre of electronic crack rock. So they keep coming back to EQ.

https://i.imgflip.com/48k43w.jpg

[shovelquest]

But besides the assets, lore and other IP - it does not resemble EQ at all. Seems like THJ wanted to cut out artists, designers and various programmers to create a game they could profit from without having to actually create a game.

Good fuck all those people I can do that shit anyways

[shovelquest]

Good fuck all those people I can do that shit anyways

AI

[shovelquest]

Can AI edit my post?

[shovelquest]

Yeah, I'd say that's the point. It appeals to people who are otherwise done with EQ. People really just want a new game, but they'll never be 17 again with unlimited time to be addicted a new genre of electronic crack rock. So they keep coming back to EQ.

I’ll play on the next p99 server.

I just also like other things too.

Eq is just my favorite game.

So Thj is very fun.

[atomicpaul]

i keep thinking you're talking about someone named al

[shovelquest]

You know, I was wondering once if there are some names I haven't met in my life, and that might actually be one of them.

[Reiwa]

Yeah, I'd say that's the point. It appeals to people who are otherwise done with EQ. People really just want a new game, but they'll never be 17 again with unlimited time to be addicted a new genre of electronic crack rock. So they keep coming back to EQ.

Does "the community" have higher than average substance abuse issues?

Maybe we get lethal injection someday soon.

[Tann]

Does "the community" have higher than average substance abuse issues?

Maybe we get lethal injection someday soon.

faux news does want to kill all the homeless, maybe they'll include decades old gaming addicts.

[shovelquest]

faux news does want to kill all the homeless, maybe they'll include decades old gaming addicts.

This is actually hate speech, or will be soon.

[Tann]

This is actually hate speech, or will be soon.

it's only hate speech if its moving in the positive direction on the x-axis, see most current events to verify this is correct.

[kjs86z2]

yikes we got some liberal dippy doos shitting up THJ thread

[Reiwa]

yikes we got some liberal dippy doos shitting up THJ thread

Pls no executies

[arsenalpow]

THJ goes poof in 7 days. DBG won their injunction. RIP

[Reiwa]

Within seven (7) days of the issuance of this Order, Daybreak shall post a bond in
the amount of $1,000,000.00 and file with the Court proof of issuance of such bond.

[Ekco]

>pay 1 mill
>subscription numbers don't improve
lol, jokes on these idiots.

[shovelquest]

what the f are you guys in the courtroom texting each other can we get some links?

[Reiwa]

what the f are you guys in the courtroom texting each other can we get some links?

Scroll down to find the latest court thingy

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/70555215/daybreak-game-company-llc-v-takahashi/

[shovelquest]

what have you all been to jail or something i cant red that friggen thing

[Ekco]

CONCLUSION AND ORDER
In light of the foregoing, the Court GRANTS Daybreak’s Supplemental Motion for
Preliminary Injunction (ECF No. 38). Accordingly, the Court ENJOINS Defendants,
along with their officers, directors, agents, employees, and all persons or entities acting in
active concert or participation with them, from: developing, distributing, licensing,
promoting, or otherwise making available THJ or any similar software that infringes
Daybreak’s copyrights; operating the website heroesjourneyemu.com and any other
websites used to promote or distribute THJ; maintaining any public or private repositories
containing code for THJ, including at github.com/The-Heroes-Journey-EQEMU or any
other online repository; operating any server emulation software that enables unauthorized
access to Daybreak’s EverQuest copyrighted works; and using the EVERQUEST mark or
any confusingly similar variations thereof.
Within seven (7) days of the issuance of this Order, Daybreak shall post a bond in
the amount of $1,000,000.00 and file with the Court proof of issuance of such bond. The
injunction described above shall be effective immediately upon the posting of this bond.
This Order will supersede the Court’s previous Order terminating Daybreak’s Amended
Motion for Temporary Restraining Order and granting the parties’ Joint Motion to Enter a
Stipulated Order (ECF No. 28). This injunction shall remain in effect until the entry of
final judgment in this action or until further order of the Court.
IT IS SO ORDERED.

DATED: September 19, 2025

[Ekco]

so they can pay a mil bond? i assume that gets refunded or something at some point, to get the server shut off until the final judgement, whenever that is.

if i'm reading that correctly

[Reiwa]

so they can pay a mil bond?

Can they pay a mil bond? That seems like a lot of sloppy cash on hand for a small investment studio.

[arsenalpow]

When you pay a bond you’re paying 10% so DBG drops the $100k and then the injunction happens (server is turned off)

[Ekco]

Can they pay a mil bond? That seems like a lot of sloppy cash on hand for a small investment studio.

the company that owns them doesn't seem to be doing so great

https://i.imgur.com/QapBLzJ.png

[Reiwa]

the company that owns them doesn't seem to be doing so great

https://i.imgur.com/QapBLzJ.png

What happens when the US places sanctions on Sweden for harboring TIVEs ("Darkpaw")?

[shovelquest]

Im tellin you guys somehow this is going to result with THJ owning everquest and them immediately filing a lawsuit against quarm.

[Duik]

They not serious.

Anything less than a billion is chicken feed.

Predict halloween/april fools trick from DBG any day now.

[Xathos53]

Well, that case is pretty much finished. I think the real question is how much does THJ owe Daybreak? THJ said they were pulling in $20k a week, so that's a decent amount of cash.

I said this was about the money from the beginning and I was right. The court docs show that. THJ has no real defense other than trying to pretend they are a regular emulator, but the court is not buying that defense. So, unless THJ can pull off something very unique, they're done next week.

[Duik]

No worries. A Shovel will dig them out of this dilly of a pickle.

[torriadore]

Well, it was fun while it lasted. The writing was on the wall though and I stopped playing as soon as it turned into IRL Lawyerquesting because of what was likely coming. I do wonder what DBG's legal strategy will be when the next progression server flops. Maybe they'll go directly after EQEmu?

[Tann]

20k a week for those THJbucks.. Admiral, there be whales here

[shovelquest]

*logs in to THJ

[shovelquest]

This would be the funniest outcome, if there was a class action suit of the community against DBG after this one is sorted :D

https://i.imgur.com/vzmKP6j.png

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Im tellin you guys somehow this is going to result with THJ owning everquest and them immediately filing a lawsuit against quarm.

https://i.imgur.com/R1Zqw9s.jpeg

I doubt things will get that dramatic, but be ready. "Stand down but stand by."

[Tann]

THJ is going to own Everquest? That would be quite the miraculous turn of events.

[Ekco]

Well, obviously some of y'all haven't read the seminal Oprah's book club book The Secret, he's manifesting, stand back and stand by.

[shovelquest]

THJ is going to own Everquest? That would be quite the miraculous turn of events.

Tunare works in mysterious ways.

[Reiwa]

So uh, P99 TAKP and Qarm are changing to a new server hosting location immediately after this order?

[Tann]

So uh, P99 TAKP and Qarm are changing to a new server hosting location immediately after this order?

the "good boy" servers never created an in game cash shop and got on their knees, smiling like a donut, for he whales.

once they milk THJ dry I don't think they'll go after the others, no money in it.

[loramin]

Not looking good for THJ:

https://massivelyop.com/2025/09/20/daybreak-wins-preliminary-injunction-against-everquest-emulator-the-heroes-journey/

In a nutshell, the judge found that “Daybreak has satisfied the requirements for issuance of a preliminary injunction” and granted it; she holds that the individual operators of THJ can be held personally liable, that “the law and facts clearly favor” Daybreak’s position and likelihood of success on the merits, that Daybreak established THJ’s violation of its copyright, that arguments over Daybreak’s movement on emulators were unpersuasive, and that THJ is “likely to cause irreparable harm” to both its goodwill and its finances.

[shovelquest]

I hope that they get to keep enough money to live happily for the rest of their lives.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Daybreak established THJ’s violation of its copyright, that arguments over Daybreak’s movement on emulators were unpersuasive, and that THJ is “likely to cause irreparable harm” to both its goodwill and its finances.

https://media.tenor.com/DsT2g1k1ZhUAAAAM/mike-tyson-tyson.gif

[onmove_broke]

Not looking good for THJ:

https://massivelyop.com/2025/09/20/daybreak-wins-preliminary-injunction-against-everquest-emulator-the-heroes-journey/

This was the expected outcome. You cannot steal IP, make it slightly different, then collect money from players. I also assume there is something between DB and P99 whereas P99 cannot create a new server.

[loramin]

This was the expected outcome. You cannot steal IP, make it slightly different, then collect money from players. I also assume there is something between DB and P99 whereas P99 cannot create a new server.

I really don't think DBG cares about new servers: they care about making more money.

They <3 P99 and Quarm because those servers revive interest in EverQuest. (Some) people play on them and think "maybe I'll try live again" ... and ultimately DBG makes more money because P99/Quarm exist.

As long as DBG believes that a new emulated server will send them more players than it steals, I truly think they will encourage the creation of that server.

[sever]

This was the expected outcome. You cannot steal IP, make it slightly different, then collect money from players. I also assume there is something between DB and P99 whereas P99 cannot create a new server.

It’s really unfortunate that the leads of P99 can’t just make a simple announcement stating one way or the other (whether dbg is forbidding the creation of 1-2 new servers, or whether the team is currently putting it off for their own reasons).

The team doesn’t necessarily owe the playerbase this, but when you have players that have been here for years (some a decade most likely), I don’t see why they couldn’t just do it on good faith. What does being so cryptic get them, honestly?

[loramin]

It’s really unfortunate that the leads of P99 can’t just make a simple announcement stating one way or the other (whether dbg is forbidding the creation of 1-2 new servers, or whether the team is currently putting it off for their own reasons).

The team doesn’t necessarily owe the playerbase this, but when you have players that have been here for years (some a decade most likely), I don’t see why they couldn’t just do it on good faith. What does being so cryptic get them, honestly?

How would that be useful? As far as I can see, Green 2.0 has everything to do with Rogean and Nilbog's plans, and nothing to do with DBG server limits.

Look, the whole mission of this place (classic EQ for everyone) requires only the same three servers we currently have: PvP (red), lifetime (Blue), and classic (Green).

Even if there was a prohibition against new servers, the staff could move Green players to Blue and wipe the server tomorrow. DBG would only prevent that if a new DBG server was coming out soon ... and even then it would only delay things by a few months.

[Irespectwomen]

I hope they get criminal charges as well. LOL at THJ's lawyer grifting, they didn't even try. I wonder how big that retainer was, no doubt enough to flag the IRS system. I wonder what they will consider that income as.

[Irespectwomen]

It’s really unfortunate that the leads of P99 can’t just make a simple announcement stating one way or the other (whether dbg is forbidding the creation of 1-2 new servers, or whether the team is currently putting it off for their own reasons).

The team doesn’t necessarily owe the playerbase this, but when you have players that have been here for years (some a decade most likely), I don’t see why they couldn’t just do it on good faith. What does being so cryptic get them, honestly?

I think it's more about the crowd that play on p99, a new server is a serious workload for volunteers because a large portion of the player base are autistic and vindictive, lacking very basic social skills. I think they will open a new Red server long before a Green 2.0.

[Reiwa]

How would that be useful? As far as I can see, Green 2.0 has everything to do with Rogean and Nilbog's plans, and nothing to do with DBG server limits.

Look, the whole mission of this place (classic EQ for everyone) requires only the same three servers we currently have: PvP (red), lifetime (Blue), and classic (Green).

Even if there was a prohibition against new servers, the staff could move Green players to Blue and wipe the server tomorrow. DBG would only prevent that if a new DBG server was coming out soon ... and even then it would only delay things by a few months.

Lacking PvP teams. What's the word for that ruleset?

[shovelquest]

I really don't think DBG cares about new servers: they care about making more money.

They <3 P99 and Quarm because those servers revive interest in EverQuest. (Some) people play on them and think "maybe I'll try live again" ... and ultimately DBG makes more money because P99/Quarm exist.

As long as DBG believes that a new emulated server will send them more players than it steals, I truly think they will encourage the creation of that server.

I wouldn't want to be affiliated with a group that is loved by DBG

[shovelquest]

How would that be useful? As far as I can see, Green 2.0 has everything to do with Rogean and Nilbog's plans, and nothing to do with DBG server limits.

Look, the whole mission of this place (classic EQ for everyone) requires only the same three servers we currently have: PvP (red), lifetime (Blue), and classic (Green).

Even if there was a prohibition against new servers, the staff could move Green players to Blue and wipe the server tomorrow. DBG would only prevent that if a new DBG server was coming out soon ... and even then it would only delay things by a few months.

It would stop cucks from saying DBG is good company because they let <3 p99

:p

[onmove_broke]

It’s really unfortunate that the leads of P99 can’t just make a simple announcement stating one way or the other (whether dbg is forbidding the creation of 1-2 new servers, or whether the team is currently putting it off for their own reasons).

The team doesn’t necessarily owe the playerbase this, but when you have players that have been here for years (some a decade most likely), I don’t see why they couldn’t just do it on good faith. What does being so cryptic get them, honestly?

I agree 100%. DB's argument against THJ was that THJ was siphoning players away from live. If P1999 launched a new server, it would surely siphon players away from live...maybe not on the levels THJ did but enough that they would not want to lose $$ off it. I am not even sure how DB is profitable at this point. If they really wanted to bring players back they should do a remaster like Diablo 2 did.

[onmove_broke]

I think it's more about the crowd that play on p99, a new server is a serious workload for volunteers because a large portion of the player base are autistic and vindictive, lacking very basic social skills. I think they will open a new Red server long before a Green 2.0.

Then they should let the players police themselves. I remember on Live if you were an asshole, word would get around. There used to be a Warrior who would sperg out if you did not do exactly what he said. People took notice and stopped grouping with him. It got so bad he even had a name change because of it.

Let people train and KS etc and if they get a bad rep it will work itself out. Just let the server play out.

[Cecily]

remember on Live if you were an asshole, word would get around.

Luckily we never had that here.

[shovelquest]

I agree 100%. DB's argument against THJ was that THJ was siphoning players away from live. If P1999 launched a new server, it would surely siphon players away from live...maybe not on the levels THJ did but enough that they would not want to lose $$ off it. I am not even sure how DB is profitable at this point. If they really wanted to bring players back they should do a remaster like Diablo 2 did.

Blizzard made diablo, DBG is a dead company that is just a name brand and owned by an investment bank that sues creativity, not is creative.

[Infectious]

I hope they get criminal charges as well. LOL at THJ's lawyer grifting, they didn't even try. I wonder how big that retainer was, no doubt enough to flag the IRS system. I wonder what they will consider that income as.

Their defense played the only defense he could. It was EQ graphics, but they changed the game so much it wasn't "EQ" anymore. Now if THJ had money to dump into specialists and lobbyists like a real company does, it would be a different outcome.

[sammoHung]

I hope they get criminal charges as well. LOL at THJ's lawyer grifting, they didn't even try. I wonder how big that retainer was, no doubt enough to flag the IRS system. I wonder what they will consider that income as.

I knew it was over when THJ lawyers were requesting arbitration

[sammoHung]

Honestly, good. THJ was setup as a way for 2 developers to make $20k a week from people who wanted to RMT on p99 or Live and couldn't, so they went to a place where RMT was "allowed"

You don't make 20k a week in donations. You make it by selling fast progression to people who want to RMT.

[sammoHung]

Which is all well and good - but make your own damn game. Seriously, shady shit tweaking EQ mechanics, appealing to as someone said, "RMT Whales" and using all of the existing IP to earn a living.

Make your own damn game, THJ.

[Infectious]

Honestly, good. THJ was setup as a way for 2 developers to make $20k a week from people who wanted to RMT on p99 or Live and couldn't, so they went to a place where RMT was "allowed"

You don't make 20k a week in donations. You make it by selling fast progression to people who want to RMT.

Midwest America who lives off 20k a year in government assistance are sick to their stomachs.

[sammoHung]

Can't edit on RnF - woops. But reading that THJ literally left the Daybreak license.txt in the files for their server.

The fact that they put up a defense, and tried every trick in the book to avoid responsibility makes me understand what kind of people they were. Sheisters.

[sammoHung]

Daniel Schnapp of Dentons - represnting Daybreak - is seemingly a based Project 1999 enjoyer:

"What THJ did is they created a derivative work that has
what's called a "God mode" or a "cheat mode" that allows them to
do away with the patience and the skill that it takes to play
the game, and has created what is essentially a way of playing
that allows you to jump over what our game is about, which is
about building these communities. It's about the skill, and
it's about the patience."

[Tann]

Can't edit on RnF - woops. But reading that THJ literally left the Daybreak license.txt in the files for their server.

The fact that they put up a defense, and tried every trick in the book to avoid responsibility makes me understand what kind of people they were. Sheisters.

I listened to several of the Q&A sessions they did on stream and they all genuinely sounded like people who loved EQ and wanted to create something new and fun. Pity they had to ruin a good thing by being greedy af

[sammoHung]

I listened to several of the Q&A sessions they did on stream and they all genuinely sounded like people who loved EQ and wanted to create something new and fun. Pity they had to ruin a good thing by being greedy af

Agreed. Greed gets us all. All except Rogaen and Nilbog, of course - our benevolent caretakers.

[kjs86z2]

rip thj

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Agreed. Greed gets us all. All except Rogaen and Nilbog, of course - our benevolent caretakers.

Credit where credit is due, frankly.

I can't even play on live TLP's anymore, but maybe I shouldn't say that. Live hasn't been classic for nearly 2 decades JFC.

I can log on right now, roll a character, and do a decent facsimile of classic.

This isn't about nostalgia for me anymore, it's about game design. Nostalgia was last decade lol.

[shovelquest]

they would have been shut down with EoM or not.

https://i.imgur.com/b21IWtE.png

https://i.imgur.com/8eCz62i.png

[Tann]

disagree on that^

without all the cash made from those EoM's, there would be no quantitative evidence that daybreak was losing revenue to THJ.

[shovelquest]

disagree on that^

without all the cash made from those EoM's, there would be no quantitative evidence that daybreak was losing revenue to THJ.

I know that seems like it makes sense but they lost 30k+ users that were active on THJ. That they could have said to the court would have played on their fang breaker, and the court would be like, "yes that is correct"

Because they are literally playing their IP for free somewhere else.

Thats enough to get anything shut down.

[shovelquest]

What should have happened, was THJ should have reached out to DBG a lot earlier, and started building a relationship that would have resulted in THJ being on the liver server select, or free to exist like P99.

Or what also should have happened is the investment capital firm should have encouraged DBG to enter into an agreement to absorb THJ into the live servers and acquired the two devs that made it to manage it.

[shovelquest]

And i want to be clear, I accidentally said, "could have said to the court"

But actually "they DID say that to the court"

[Ekco]

>there would be no quantitative evidence that daybreak was losing revenue to THJ.
is the evidence even needed really?

in ages past EQ's ip holder has sent out C&D based solely on a project being popular and using the IP, i forget the exact wording but both Winter's Roar and EQClassic got threatened with legal action over i assume just in theory siphoning potential customers away by making a superior product with the assets

[shovelquest]

>there would be no quantitative evidence that daybreak was losing revenue to THJ.
is the evidence even needed really?

in ages past EQ's ip holder has sent out C&D based solely on a project being popular and using the IP, i forget the exact wording but both Winter's Roar and EQClassic got threatened with legal action over i assume just in theory siphoning potential customers away by making a superior product with the assets

It is absolutely not needed. If they gave it away for free, that doesn't mean they get to just keep eating up Live's subscribers.

[shovelquest]

Unusually decent takes being given here about same topic:

https://www.reddit.com/r/nintendo/comments/vptk4a/why_is_nintendo_so_against_fan_made_projects/

[shovelquest]

The whole time I was playing on THJ I was like, this is far to popular.

Not to mention the myrade of youtube videos that were titled, DBG sucks THJ is amazing! DBG can't make good games, THJ can for FREE! WOO!!!

that shit is hugely damaging to the investment the investment bank made purchasing DBG.

Or so they think, personally I think how they reacted is far far far more harmful.

[greatdane]

The whinefest from THJ's community is kind of amusing. Their collective immaturity is really on full display. Their server was a reckless exercise in copyright infringement and wanton greed from the owners, and they've still managed to concoct an alternate reality where DBG are being evil bullies for taking them down. The "how dare they!" mentality is so irrational.

Not only was it a clear-cut case of copyright infringement, DBG also had to take action. Copyright abandonment is a thing. If you don't protect your IP when someone makes meaningful money by infringing upon it, the court can decide that you've forfeited ownership of it. On top of that, as a publicly traded company, they could face lawsuits from their shareholders if they hadn't taken action. You have a fiduciary duty (i.e. legal obligation) to protect your shareholders' interests to the best of your ability, and for a reasonably large industry player like DBG's parent company, "the best of your ability" certainly includes a slam-dunk lawsuit against the infringing party. In short, DBG didn't really have a choice.

It was always cringeworthy how the THJ community had convinced itself that this was the best and truest way to experience Everquest. The fact is that it was an ultra-ezmode version of the game that spat on every facet of the spirit of Everquest, from the social element to the intended challenge involved in obtaining rewards. Everything soloable, characters wildly overpowered, buying BIS gear in the bazaar, accessing all content by hailing an NPC in the hub, etc. It was like Everquest for the most casual of casuals, bereft of everything that makes Everquest what it is. It's like playing the StarCraft campaign with cheat codes and then patting yourself on the back for winning.

[atomicpaul]

we didn't call it dadquest for nothin'

[shovelquest]

The whinefest from THJ's community

*He says in a strongly worded 5,000 paragraph manifesto

[sammoHung]

It's like playing the StarCraft campaign with cheat codes and then patting yourself on the back for winning.

From what I saw, nothing in the game, outside of the graphics and lore, resembled EQ in the slightest. Anybody who claims otherwise is being extremely disingenuous. The "EQ for people who have time constraints" line is a real thorn in my side. It is not EQ at all. It is a new game, built on EQ artwork and lore.

A large part of me dislikes how the THJ devs operated here. They clearly created a system where people felt obliged to spend tons of money in order to fast-track themselves (in a game that's already on fast-track).

The devs claimed they were doing it out of the spirit of EQ - while stripping away the ONE thing that classic EQ was leaps and bounds above all other MMO competitors - the REQUIREMENT TO TEAM UP TO GET ANYTHING DONE.

Seriously, these jokers made bank running a pay-to-win easy-mode EQ-in-name-only server - and claimed to be "just fans" .

To all those who spent all that money on the special tokens or whatever: Microtransactions are bad, mmmkay?

[shovelquest]

You know guys, some people play video games because they are fun. Im still killing the raid targets on THJ.

[Tann]

You know guys, some people play video games because they are fun. Im still killing the raid targets on THJ.

I had fun killing raid targets I'd not seen since 2000/2001~, complete casual on p99 and rarely grouped, went to a pick-up raid once or twice, so it was a nice nostalgia berry liquid explosion to go on a dragon killing world tour to unlock the expansions.

[shovelquest]

Yeah, it combines my favorite game (everquest) with a different playstyle, that still feels like everquest.

Also I was able to dress up a rogue in that dark black quest armor from Sol Ro for necros, and wear a dark elf custom crown, and glamor my weapons to be 2 samurai swords.

https://i.imgur.com/mfRV8Mn.png

[Ekco]

^ to daybreaks point though, you can do that on a live server while paying them or even not. anyone that ever payed a sub to EQ if you still remember your login details is a grandfathered tier'd "silver" account which lets you level up to 85, keep whatever AAs you had or accquire like 2,000 of them

you can solo way past PoP as a unkillable God, THJ was most certainly competition for people looking to do that.

[shovelquest]

^ to daybreaks point though, you can do that on a live server while paying them or even not. anyone that ever payed a sub to EQ if you still remember your login details is a grandfathered tier'd "silver" account which lets you level up to 85, keep whatever AAs you had or accquire like 2,000 of them

you can solo way past PoP as a unkillable God, THJ was most certainly competition for people looking to do that.

Nah I was a samurai, my goal was to combine classes to create a samurai.

Nothing more.

Nothing less.

[Tann]

hmm samurai motif.. rogue you already said, samurai wouldn't use magic or pets so no casters or pet classes.

rog/mnk/war?? or rog/ber/war?

[shovelquest]

I went with Rog / Sk / War as my final build.

I had started as rog / mnk / war - Yea. And that was great, but to defeat the end game raid targets as a samuraai god, you really do need some kind of healing. SK felt like the least intrusive, most offensive option so I swapped out the monk.

The SK was damage/healing and feels like a dark warrior, using only its procs - I never once cast a SK spell, but avoiding those was not part of my roleplay. But to help with any concerns you have there my good friend.

I was so dark and evil and shit, and looked so bad ass with my procs and dark evilness and slice and dicing swords.

The war/Rog was backstabing for HUGE damage so was so fun haha

[shovelquest]

rog/ber/war?

I only made 1 ber, and wanted to try more with that class but never really did.

The ber I made was cool though.

It was Druid, Berzerker, Mnk.

I walked softly through the woods, but carried a BIG STICK!

He was fun yang to my samurai ying though, green robe of spring, human, red beard, wandering the woods with a big glowing staff.

I aslo had a paladin that was War Pal Mnk and he was in full valorium, with the blue glowing zeb shield, and a Aurora Heartwood Blade glamor, he was quite the warrior guardian of the sky.

THJ was fun! Oh well.

[Ekco]

I'm just happy all the people calling me a "pet cuck" for being a MAG / NEC / CLR + dragoon tooth pet won't have a server to play on anymore

https://c.tenor.com/JydnEkLOpX4AAAAd/tenor.gif

[shovelquest]

Pet cucks are still big baddies! They can kill zeb in less than 2 mins!

I really wanted to make one but alas.

There were lots of pet glamors going around during all this lawsuit stuff becuase thats all anyone did was farm glamors.

There was a tiger one that I wanted to get to make a petcuck with tigers, and wear purple cleric and golden efreeti armor like my boy ozymendas:

https://i.imgur.com/ALF8uJx.png

[shovelquest]

All i really want is everquest barbie simulator.

[Tann]

just gotta convince the THJ devs to leak the source code then someone outside the US can host it.

[shovelquest]

just gotta convince the THJ devs to leak the source code then someone outside the US can host it.

U06jlgpMtQs

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

I'll never play on a server run by people who every day, get more and more ready to try to kill me.

https://i.imgur.com/M8ewN7A.jpeg

[Infectious]

I'll never play on a server run by people who every day, get more and more ready to try to kill me.

https://i.imgur.com/M8ewN7A.jpeg

I bet you pee sitting down while your wife plays catch with your kids. Wimp.

[Tann]

I bet you pee sitting down while your wife plays catch with your kids. Wimp.

Careful with those fighting words, his wife's boyfriend is pretty jacked.

[Duik]

Is the Your Wife comments what you get when you grow past your mother comments?
Like your mother is <xxx>
Dude. My mother been dead 10 yrs. Swing N A Miss.

[shovelquest]

She's fine and just been over at my place and I've been giving her the old HE haw. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnedkVrgFF0)

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

https://i.imgur.com/YuD94nl.jpeg

[sammoHung]

Honestly, though: THJ could have fought this case. But their lawyers really scuffed it up. Daybreak lawyers are really dragging the THJ lawyers through the mud on this one.

If you were laywer, as in if you're THJ lawyer: How would you continue on after the judge treats you like a law student, and the opposing counsel absolutely tears apart your every argument, successfully?

I guess you gotta just dust yourself off and try again in the next litigation.

[sammoHung]

Defendants have taken two, contradictory positions in this litigation:
 Pre-Motion to Arbitrate: Another Quest LLC, not Defendants Takahashi
and Taylor, is the proper defendant. See, e.g., Stipulated TRO at 1, n. 1
(“Defendants alleges that the company that operates THJ – Another Quest
LLC – is the proper defendant in this matter, and allege that Daybreak has
improperly named the company’s two members, Mr. Takahashi and Mr.
Taylor, in this lawsuit.”); PI Opp., Section IV(B)(4) titled “Daybreak’s
Complaint Names Improper Defendants.”
 Motion to Arbitrate: Defendants Takahashi and Taylor are proper
Defendants and purportedly are bound by the Player EULAs. See generally Motion to Arbitrate (The first sentence of the Motion states, “Defendants
had to accept the terms of an End-User License Agreement to play
EverQuest.” Id. at 1.).


Damn, I miss Boston Legal

[sammoHung]

And since I keep forgetting you can't edit:

The defending lawyer would be played by some snivelly actor, who is made to look a fool by the great William Shatner as Daybreak's counsel. The defendant would be seen in the hallway after the outcome yelling at his inept lawyer, as Shatner leaves confidently winning an easy case.

He'd walk around a corner and bump into James Spader - and kick off the real thru-line plot of the episode. The THJ takedown would just be the cold open to the episode.

Later in the episode, THJ lawyer would show up to Shatner's office drunk and with a pistol - claiming that Shatner's character ruined his reputation and he can never get hired again - and Shatner would have to talk sense into him, before the police arrived and hauled him off to jail.

[shovelquest]

I mean somehow that calvin peeing bumper sticker managed to win its lawsuit against the creator.

You never know.

But I couldn't imagine thinking what THJ was doing (hack/modding another IP against their wishes) being a stand your ground type situation.

[WarpathEQ]

And since I keep forgetting you can't edit:

The defending lawyer would be played by some snivelly actor, who is made to look a fool by the great William Shatner as Daybreak's counsel. The defendant would be seen in the hallway after the outcome yelling at his inept lawyer, as Shatner leaves confidently winning an easy case.

He'd walk around a corner and bump into James Spader - and kick off the real thru-line plot of the episode. The THJ takedown would just be the cold open to the episode.

Later in the episode, THJ lawyer would show up to Shatner's office drunk and with a pistol - claiming that Shatner's character ruined his reputation and he can never get hired again - and Shatner would have to talk sense into him, before the police arrived and hauled him off to jail.

Can't forget Paul Giamatti, he's a shoe in for this cast.

[sammoHung]

Can't forget Paul Giamatti, he's a shoe in for this cast.

I think Scott Baio would be a perfect fit for the THJ lawyer.

"Your honor, my defendants are not under litigation today - The Heroes Journey is. THJ never entered any agreement not to steal Daybreaks IP."


2 weeks later


"Your honor, The heroes Journey is not under litigation today - my clients are. And they signed a EULA stating they had immunity to litigation and would be subject to arbitration"

https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video_thumb/DNbTEIEU8AAmSwx.jpg

[sammoHung]

"Your honor, when my clients forgot to remove the license.txt from the THJ files, it's because they didn't know it would be used against them in future lawsuits."

[shovelquest]

Actual court photo of looser rock bottom DBG trying to figure out which lines of thjs 1990s dogshit code is there's.

https://i.imgur.com/URpIpWn.png

[Infectious]

Is the Your Wife comments what you get when you grow past your mother comments?
Like your mother is <xxx>
Dude. My mother been dead 10 yrs. Swing N A Miss.

The forum retard come to play?

[Duik]

Be funny if Rogean was MIA cuz hes helping DBG wiff dat code.
Rogean to THJ.
Dont shit in our sandbox, motherfuckers.

[Duik]

The forum retard come to play?

Tylenol. Lulz.

[Infectious]

Tylenol. Lulz.

Your 40 and typed lulz while making a joke about autism. Do you have any morals?

[Ephirith]

Dear friends,

We write to you tonight with a heavy heart.

As most of you are aware, the judge has granted Daybreak its request for a preliminary injunction.

While we did everything in our power to keep THJ alive, The Heroes’ Journey will be shutting down in one hour.

We tried everything we could to honor the time and love poured into The Heroes’ Journey by not just its creators, contributors, and supporters, but by all of you, its Heroes. Though we may lose THJ, we did not lose everything.

We set out years ago to create something amazing- and we did. No one can take that journey and the positive impact it has made on so many away. We have learned and honed many skills, met many incredible people, and made so many amazing friends along the way. This part of our journey will not be marked with regret, but with gratitude.

Gratitude to all of you.

Although THJ will no longer exist, the outstanding collection of people gathered here deserves the opportunity to stay connected as they seek new adventures.

This space will now be known as Legend's Rest: A multi-game community dedicated to those with a love for games and an adventurous spirit.

Though the tone of today is somber, we look forward to discovering what new adventures lie ahead, together.

There will be many changes happening as we make this transition. Please be patient with us.

Note: As the purpose of this community has changed, we invite anyone who no longer wishes to participate to leave voluntarily, but we hope you stay ��

[Ephirith]

/drives off in Audi S8

[Tann]

i'm sure they'll begin refunding that 20k a week to people /s

[bcbrown]

Your 40 and typed lulz while making a joke about autism. Do you have any morals?

You're presumably a similar age and you called him a retard. Do you?

[Xathos53]

Note how they are playing as the victim while ignoring the fact that they were guilty as charged.

[Tann]

i wonder at what point, after all the cash started flowing in, did they stop and think.. "guys, is this legal? are we cooked chat?". I'm betting maybe once they got up to around 5k~ a week.

[Ekco]

prolly thought their legal dept was the same status as their online games

zombie.

[shovelquest]

Note how they are playing as the victim while ignoring the fact that they were guilty as charged.

Nobody every said they weren't. They just tried to beat the system.

What is that wrong?

[shovelquest]

i wonder at what point, after all the cash started flowing in, did they stop and think.. "guys, is this legal? are we cooked chat?". I'm betting maybe once they got up to around 5k~ a week.

In the last Q&A with them before the lawsuit the apporia guy goes, "You know for the first time in my life im happy, im financially stable, the project is coming along fine, I'm feeling really good!"

Or something to that extent lol

[shovelquest]

I'm betting maybe once they got up to around 5k~ a week.

Yeah though for real. Imagine adding a bank account that just gets 5k every week into your life. I'd definitely bel like... uhhhh

Surely at some point in the can just buy a car stage you'd call a lawyer that would give you a rational take right?

I wonder if they did and the lawyer was like, "look based on these numbers by spring you'll have taken in 10 mil so just run it, and when they come at you they'll shut it down and you walk with the cash"

You guys would turn that down?

Idk.

[Drueric]

Good riddence to that farce that was called THJ

[sammoHung]

In the last Q&A with them before the lawsuit the apporia guy goes, "You know for the first time in my life im happy, im financially stable, the project is coming along fine, I'm feeling really good!"

Or something to that extent lol

Lmao. That's called counting your chickens before they hatch.

[sammoHung]

i'm sure they'll begin refunding that 20k a week to people /s

They aren't gonna have it to refund. Daybreak is gonna wring them dry.

They claim they lost 30k subs since THJ. The judge seems to agree that it's more than just coincidence that THJ gained 30k players and Daybreak lost 30k subs.

[Tann]

THJ reddit is now private, probably too many trolls and EQ fanboys calling the devs out for profiting off the whales.

[sammoHung]

THJ reddit is now private, probably too many trolls and EQ fanboys calling the devs out for profiting off the whales.

Wow, haha. Spot on.

They probably had upset whales starting posts, "I spent $4,000 on this server in the last 6 months - and now you just shut it down?! I want a refund of that money, immediately!"

THJ was run by scammers. They used the good graces of the EverQuest name, and piggybacked off of P99 and Quarm to play the role of the "friendly, benevolent developers just trying to help people relive nostalgia"

When really, they (probably by accident) found a way to basically create an EverQuest OnlyFans. Where people with good salaries and no other hobbies can come to spend their money on pixels.

[sammoHung]

THJ Site and discord also got the plug pulled. Gotta imagine there's thousands of very angry people right now.

[Infectious]

You're presumably a similar age and you called him a retard. Do you?

Stop deflecting and making this about me, he needs to answer my question. And who are you? English isn't my first language so Im trying to figure out why youre attacking me?

[Infectious]

THJ Site and discord also got the plug pulled. Gotta imagine there's thousands of very angry people right now.

Sucks they were taken down. Another major corporation putting its foot to the little guy.

[sammoHung]

Sucks they were taken down. Another major corporation putting its foot to the little guy.

"The little guy" making $100k a month off of someone else's IP.

[WarpathEQ]

Stop deflecting and making this about me, he needs to answer my question. And who are you? English isn't my first language so Im trying to figure out why youre attacking me?

Seems like you answered your own question

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Wow, haha. Spot on.

They probably had upset whales starting posts, "I spent $4,000 on this server in the last 6 months - and now you just shut it down?! I want a refund of that money, immediately!"

THJ was run by scammers. They used the good graces of the EverQuest name, and piggybacked off of P99 and Quarm to play the role of the "friendly, benevolent developers just trying to help people relive nostalgia"

When really, they (probably by accident) found a way to basically create an EverQuest OnlyFans. Where people with good salaries and no other hobbies can come to spend their money on pixels.

Righteous. I'm getting a hard on just thinking about the great justice being dealed out over some goddam pixels. Meanwhile, who benefits? Who gets the IP as if THJ, that weak-hearted prick, never even existed?

https://i.imgur.com/Y7llWff.jpeg

Small victories.

[Tann]

Meanwhile, who benefits? Who gets the IP as if THJ, that weak-hearted prick, never even existed?

At least a small hand full of gamers (small in the grand scheme of things) got to try a fun and unique spin on EQ, maybe the THJ folks will create something similar using their own assets which I believe was already a plan anyway.. assuming they can financially recover from getting the unlubed dildo of consequences from daddy daybreak.

[sammoHung]

maybe the THJ folks will create something similar using their own assets which I believe was already a plan anyway..

And then nobody plays it because it's not EQ. And then people moan and groan about TLPs more and keep subbing, and the cycle continues. Wu Tang Wu Tang

[shovelquest]

THJ player base is going to be doing their best to encourage daybreak that ALL emu's are not safe to leave online .

https://i.imgur.com/PPA6ej4.jpeg

[shovelquest]

Wow, haha. Spot on.

They probably had upset whales starting posts, "I spent $4,000 on this server in the last 6 months - and now you just shut it down?! I want a refund of that money, immediately!"

THJ was run by scammers. They used the good graces of the EverQuest name, and piggybacked off of P99 and Quarm to play the role of the "friendly, benevolent developers just trying to help people relive nostalgia"

When really, they (probably by accident) found a way to basically create an EverQuest OnlyFans. Where people with good salaries and no other hobbies can come to spend their money on pixels.

He said trolls and EQ fanboys. Lol not respectable people.

[shovelquest]

THJ Site and discord also got the plug pulled. Gotta imagine there's thousands of very angry people right now.

Well, there's you. That's one lol

[Tann]

they need to go the Evercraft Online route, just port all the THJ code into minecraft and change the names of everything.

like Firiona Vei > Fred Vu, Spirit of Wolf > Song of Doggies, druids > dryads, Planes of Power > Plateau's of Might, etc..

[shovelquest]

Its kind of funny when you think about it.

DBG is like, "look how much money they are making - we have to shut this down"

When really whats happening is

"look how much these fans want to pay to play everquest, we should fuck them ALL over."

lol

[sammoHung]

Well, there's you. That's one lol

your consistent commitment to baseless leaps in logic is your strong suit.

stay golden, pony boy

[kjs86z2]

LOOK DADDY IM A FARMER

[torriadore]

Breaking news, Fangbreaker is holding double XP from now til October 1st "for funsies!"
:)

[shovelquest]

your consistent commitment to baseless leaps in logic is your strong suit.

stay golden, pony boy

I have based exactly 0 posts ITT on logic.

Angry boi.

[sammoHung]

I have based exactly 0 posts ITT on logic.

Angry boi.

i truly hope you are mentally well. im not trying to be mean or funny - i hope you are just trolling: or maybe english isnt your first language.. but every time i communicate with you, you misunderstand what i am saying, or misrepresent it - either way - you seem to have at best, a tenuous grasp on language.

i had a friend years ago that had a psychotic break from reality due to undiagnosed schizophrenia. it was really devastating and in retrospect all of his family and most of his close friends saw the signs before the diagnosis. you seem to exhibit some of the signs - at least in your forum posts (which again could just be an expertly done troll job)

[sammoHung]

and just to clarify, im not trying to talk down to you - i am a little scarred from what happened to my friend. by the time anyone intervened in his life, he had already caused a lot of damage to himself mentally, socially and financially.

if you are not trolling - i sincerely mean that it may be worth some psychiatric assistance before things get worse

[shovelquest]

This is RnF not a drum circle.

[Foxplay]

The Hero's Journey has been slain by Daybreak Games Company!

[shovelquest]

Very Hollywood to kill the hero at the end of the movie.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

...a psychotic break ... at least in your forum posts (which again could just be an expertly done troll job)

How do you even operate man? In real life, if you see someone behaving and showing signs of a freakin psychotic break, do you actually think "Oh, they might be trolling me"?

[onmove_broke]

I really hope DBG comes out with their own THJ server to show those morons you do not monetize someone elses IP.

[sammoHung]

How do you even operate man? In real life, if you see someone behaving and showing signs of a freakin psychotic break, do you actually think "Oh, they might be trolling me"?

Well ya see, I can explain it to you. It might be hard to comprehend, but:

In real life, I can witness a person's nonverbal signs. I can even have a history with them, to compare past behavior to current behavior.

Do you know how I can activate these monitoring modes on project 1999 forums? I must have overlooked that option.

[sammoHung]

Back on topic: the THJ grifter devs announced that they will keep the recurring donations active.

They are claiming it's to be used in their legal defense... in a case they have all but lost. (The judge seems to think the prosecution has an excellent chance of success)

They are censoring responses on their discord, they shut down their sub-reddit, and you have to pay to see any of their Twitch videos.

[shovelquest]

Cool got the link so i can donate?

[sammoHung]

Cool got the link so i can donate?

Nope - they shut down the website as well. But please, do donate your money to them.

[shovelquest]

Nope - they shut down the website as well. But please, do donate your money to them.

I will, and ill sign a thank you note form sammohung.

[Reiwa]

(The judge seems to think the prosecution has an excellent chance of success)

Prerequisite for an injunction, not something the judge is remarking.

[Duik]

Your 40 and typed lulz while making a joke about autism. Do you have any morals?

You're a ranting tiny weenie baby and know zero about medicine.
Tylenol has very little to do with autism as it turns out.

Professor Brainworm spoke out of turn. Again.

[Duik]

Also Lolocaust.
THJ has been raptured. Gone to the great gaming grave in the sky(fairy). They lived a fine life. Scamming the ip of the poor DBG investors.
Wont sombody think of the investors!

[torriadore]

I think they smited and banned people who neg-repped the begging discord announcement, there was a bunch of clown and thumbs down emoji on that post but now they're gone.

[shovelquest]

Also Lolocaust.
THJ has been raptured. Gone to the great gaming grave in the sky(fairy). They lived a fine life. Scamming the ip of the poor DBG investors.
Wont sombody think of the investors!

LOL THE PROPHECIES ARE TRUE

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

[Tann]

Rapture canceled

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/disappointed-christians-say-god-delaying-35957306

[Ekco]

Rapture canceled

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/disappointed-christians-say-god-delaying-35957306

Based God.

[Xathos53]

I don't think the judge is going to overturn the injunction based on the new filings from the defendant's lawyers. It is quite obvious that the creators of THJ are now trying to kill off the entire EQ emu community. The problem for them is that DBJ isn't going after those servers. Why? Those servers have not monetized themselves to generate substantial income like THJ did.

The judge is not going to alter her ruling to kill off the emu community. That's not in the case's parameters. As for giving any more money to the THJ guys, that would be a case of watching a fool part with their money.

[shovelquest]

Why would a judge not side with shutting down the entire EMU community? From a normal human perspective, there is no difference between any mods.

Seems kind of odd to be like, "this emu is a no, but these ones can be a yes" in a legal sense to me?

[Reiwa]

I don't think the judge is going to overturn the injunction based on the new filings from the defendant's lawyers. It is quite obvious that the creators of THJ are now trying to kill off the entire EQ emu community. The problem for them is that DBJ isn't going after those servers. Why? Those servers have not monetized themselves to generate substantial income like THJ did.

The judge is not going to alter her ruling to kill off the emu community. That's not in the case's parameters. As for giving any more money to the THJ guys, that would be a case of watching a fool part with their money.

Mi CASA es su CASA

[Bisonzabi]

Damn imagine being the sucker who actually put money into something that was obviously incredibly dubious to begin with.

[Xathos53]

For starters, DBG only sued THJ. DBG stated their tolerance of the other EQ emus in court docs. They clearly see a difference and that difference is monetization. If DBG wants the others shut down, they need to file to do that.

THJ's defense seems to be that they are just a regular emulator, but DBG clearly established that is not the case.

If you look at the other EQ emu numbers, they're really not that big other than a few. Three of those servers have known agreements with DBG. While I am not 100% certain regarding boxing on the other servers, many do encourage boxing which skews the number counts. Were you to adjust them for actual individuals, the server populations would be much lower.

Please don't waste my time defending THJ. They broke the law and that's that.

[shovelquest]

Damn imagine being the sucker who actually put money into something that was obviously incredibly dubious to begin with.

I just sent them more. I got what I paid for.

You investing here bro?

[Knuckle]

I can't recall if THJ had any type of cash shop stuff but I believe they did outside of donations, or 'donations for gear' which has never worked if you catch their eye in court. Correct me if I am wrong but that is probably what brought the hammer down on them. I do feel bad for them though, because realistically DBG is not gaining anything from smashing them into smithereens, there is a very niche population that actually play EQ Live and they aren't going to sub or not sub to fucking EQ based on these custom private servers lol.

[shovelquest]

Really what made the lawsuit was videos with titles like: "Fangbraeker sucks THJ rules"

There were so many comments about not playing live ever again and stuff, it was a ticking time bomb from the get go.

[Reiwa]

Really what made the lawsuit was videos with titles like: "Fangbraeker sucks THJ rules"

There were so many comments about not playing live ever again and stuff, it was a ticking time bomb from the get go.

Fuck who owns it; who loves it? :D

[Tann]

I can't recall if THJ had any type of cash shop

a cash shop they had, once you donated to the "pay the devs mortgage fund" you were given some Echo's of Memory in game as a "thank you" ;)

I only played for about a month but these are the things i recall you could buy with EoM's:

a variety of 30 slot 100% weight reduction bags, these were no drop so if you had more than 1 toon you had to shell out more $$$.
a slew of cosmetic items and skins that let you copy your favorite armor/weap set onto anything you were wearing.
AA resets, class resets, name changes, gender swaps, etc.. a few of those could be done once for free but after that.. $$$
global buffs that stacked in duration, giving everyone on the server permanent brain buffs, attack speed, exp gains, movement speed, etc..
I could be wrong but i believe you could buy some fancy item to make items bound to you (via that power slot), unbound so you could then sell the juiced up versions.
sell directly to other plays on the bazaar for some straight up $$$ > plat gains.


I'm sure there is a plethora of additional things you could do with those EoM's but I've forgotten em.

[WarpathEQ]

Haven't kept up with the thread but read an article this morning that THJ is officially shut down under judges orders. The article cited that THJ was making $100k per month on the project. Looking at reported revenues for daybreak games, THJ was stealing roughly 1% of daybreak's monthly revenue, which realistically should represent a much larger portion of their profitability given that classic EQ requires little to no maintenance/overhead. That is absolutely a material impact to the company and no surprise that THJ's action led to the lawsuit and ultimate defense of EQ IP.

So yeah, MASSIVE difference between THJ and a volunteer led, unpaid, emu representing the game as it stood in era. They don't care about a free to play community based world where people re-live nostalgia. They absolutely care about people stealing their IP, bastardizing it, and using it to drive substantial revenue away from their company. A company who paid tangible money for the rights to use this IP for profit with the expectation of yielding certain amounts of revenue to make the investment worthwhile (which btw could be the difference between EQ existing at all or not).

[shovelquest]

If Daybreak is making 10x that then Im going to jump off a cliff.

[shovelquest]

Haven't kept up with the thread but read an article this morning that THJ is officially shut down under judges orders. The article cited that THJ was making $100k per month on the project. Looking at reported revenues for daybreak games, THJ was stealing roughly 1% of daybreak's monthly revenue, which realistically should represent a much larger portion of their profitability given that classic EQ requires little to no maintenance/overhead. That is absolutely a material impact to the company and no surprise that THJ's action led to the lawsuit and ultimate defense of EQ IP.

So yeah, MASSIVE difference between THJ and a volunteer led, unpaid, emu representing the game as it stood in era. They don't care about a free to play community based world where people re-live nostalgia. They absolutely care about people stealing their IP, bastardizing it, and using it to drive substantial revenue away from their company. A company who paid tangible money for the rights to use this IP for profit with the expectation of yielding certain amounts of revenue to make the investment worthwhile (which btw could be the difference between EQ existing at all or not).

Had more to do with THJs overall success.

they would have been shut down with EoM or not.

https://i.imgur.com/b21IWtE.png

https://i.imgur.com/8eCz62i.png

[loramin]

If Daybreak is making 10x that then Im going to jump off a cliff.

Everything is relative, but arguably $100k a month is rookie numbers for a gaming company. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_video_game_companies_by_revenue

Even the 80th company on that list (maker of series like Shadow Warrior and Serious Sam) makes $106 million annually.

Now, that's a little apples and oranges, since I think that studio has more games than Daybreak (although if you count expansions, maybe they're close?). But my point is, they're not doing all that great if their revenue is $1.2k million annually, and the 80th biggest game company is making two orders of magnitude more every year.

[shovelquest]

100k a month is more like I would expect live to make.

He said that's 1% of it (idk where h e got that number)

But if live is making 10 million dollars a month, I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

[sammoHung]

100k a month is more like I would expect live to make.

He said that's 1% of it (idk where h e got that number)

But if live is making 10 million dollars a month, I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

Krono my boy.. Krono

[Reiwa]

Krono my boy.. Krono

Money laundering if it's 10 guap.

[shovelquest]

Krono my boy.. Krono

https://i.imgur.com/ridOA5B.gif

[Xathos53]

You may take this for what it is worth. Basically, EQ drives a lot of revenue for DBG. Here's a link to a site (https://tagn.wordpress.com/2023/09/29/daybreak-relative-game-revenues-in-2023/) explaining it.

I think some of the data is from this site (https://eqresource.com/board/index.php?topic=224885.0), but it brought up a thought. What if Sony made EQ as a PS5 game? I know EQ2 existed, but imagine EQ on the PS5. A comparable game would be Elder Scrolls Online which I have played on PC and PS5. I actually liked the PS5 version better.

[Knuckle]

Ah yea the donate for rewards format, which is the same thing as a cash shop with an extra step, I don't think they set them up this way for legal reasons as much as to make it appear more legit to gullible players that would slander private servers(particularly in wow scene) as "pay to win" server. That being said I did enjoy playing there briefly, and I havent touched live in 20 years. I don't think people should witch hunt them just because they made money, especially in a non-competitive environment, but I DO understand why they might get mashed to bits in court.

[Knuckle]

You may take this for what it is worth. Basically, EQ drives a lot of revenue for DBG. Here's a link to a site (https://tagn.wordpress.com/2023/09/29/daybreak-relative-game-revenues-in-2023/) explaining it.

I think some of the data is from this site (https://eqresource.com/board/index.php?topic=224885.0), but it brought up a thought. What if Sony made EQ as a PS5 game? I know EQ2 existed, but imagine EQ on the PS5. A comparable game would be Elder Scrolls Online which I have played on PC and PS5. I actually liked the PS5 version better.

I dont think elder scrolls online is a comparable game to everquest lol.

[sammoHung]

I don't think people should witch hunt them just because they made money

For me, it wasn't just them making money - it was all the tricks and tactics they've used since the lawsuit started to remove negative comments, put on a facade towards their donors, and generally just act like grifters.

All of their arguments in court fell flat. Probably more because their lawyers were out of their league against DBG lawyers. But - they have done alot of damage to their reputation in the eyes of many by removing (mostly valid) criticisms of their business plan.

They also really sneakily, as someone here pointed out, tried to get an agreement with Daybreak by lying about the nature of The Heroes Journey.

They are grifters. They may not have started as grifters - but once the money started flowing in - they played by every rule in the grifter handbook.

[shovelquest]

For me, it wasn't just them making money - it was all the tricks and tactics they've used since the lawsuit started to remove negative comments, put on a facade towards their donors, and generally just act like grifters.

All of their arguments in court fell flat. Probably more because their lawyers were out of their league against DBG lawyers. But - they have done alot of damage to their reputation in the eyes of many by removing (mostly valid) criticisms of their business plan.

They also really sneakily, as someone here pointed out, tried to get an agreement with Daybreak by lying about the nature of The Heroes Journey.

They are grifters. They may not have started as grifters - but once the money started flowing in - they played by every rule in the grifter handbook.

lmao I just sent them another 100$ with a thank you from sammohung.

[Computer Man]

lmao I just sent them another 100$ with a thank you from sammohung.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/481/336/4e7.gif

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Everything is relative, but arguably $100k a month is rookie numbers for a gaming company. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_video_game_companies_by_revenue

Even the 80th company on that list (maker of series like Shadow Warrior and Serious Sam) makes $106 million annually.

Now, that's a little apples and oranges, since I think that studio has more games than Daybreak (although if you count expansions, maybe they're close?). But my point is, they're not doing all that great if their revenue is $1.2k million annually, and the 80th biggest game company is making two orders of magnitude more every year.

How many people work directly and solely on this IP?

One? Two? If someone says, "no, closer to a dozen," then where does their paycheck come from?

"Revenue of 1.2 million annually"? And that's with all the money traps the servers on live can sustain? The annual TLP krono dump?

We here do all our shit and that's because the entire mmo space is kind of like a music scene -- people driven. But it is very funky to think all the hoopla is about something that in reality barely merits two salaries worth of human labor.

[shovelquest]

MMOs suck today because the impetus is on investment firms getting a ROI

Instead of 2 dudes making their dream game.

[zelld52]

MMOs suck today because the impetus is on investment firms getting a ROI

Instead of 2 dudes making their dream game.

what about when 2 dudes making their dream game, solely using IP created by a handful of dudes 25 years ago?

[kjs86z2]

Instead of 2 shut-ins making their dream game copied from one of the most popular titles of all time with a built in cash shop to pad their wallets.

[Xathos53]

The two dudes' dream game was copied from someone else's property and altered so the two dudes' dream game would compete financially with the owner of the copied property in the same marketplace.

Were it just an emu, then it would have read like so: The two dudes' dream game was copied from someone else's property and altered so the two dudes' dream game could be played with their friends.

[shovelquest]

Guys, they are not implying they created the artwork themselves.

What the hell is wrong with these people.

You are all literally stealing everquest right now.

[zelld52]

"you wouldn't download a car"

yes i fuckin would. what torrent link lets me download a car

[Reiwa]

The two dudes' dream game was copied from someone else's property and altered so the two dudes' dream game would compete financially with the owner of the copied property in the same marketplace.

Were it just an emu, then it would have read like so: The two dudes' dream game was copied from someone else's property and altered so the two dudes' dream game could be played with their friends.

If Warren Buffet bought Qwik Trip, would the Piggly Wiggly be forced to go out of business?