Do you agree with the message of this video?

[SorenVC]

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I watched some videos that are similar to this one and I do like what it says. I agree. You can't force things in my opinion. If you force things, it usually ends up bad.

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

Like trying to force a fart and shitting yourself instead?

[SorenVC]

Like trying to force a fart and shitting yourself instead?

I meant forcing love or a result and making it worse.

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

In regards to the message, it neglects to mention that trading hustle for short term peace means long term chaos though

An easy example would be if you had a minor medical symptom bothering you. It takes effort to make an appointment with a doctor (and I am not a fan of doctors), and maybe the doctor might recommend a medication with some unpleasant side effects you would have to deal with for a few weeks

So instead, you blow it off. And find immediate peace, as you don’t have to deal with any of that. But the issue festers inside your body, and then months or years down the road you now have this huge medical symptom that is so unpleasant it makes your life a living hell. And now the only fix is surgery and a long road to recovery

So in retrospect, would it have been worth it to suffer a bit of temporary discomfort and effort to prevent far greater suffering in the long run?

This is just used as an example, I’m actually the type of person to avoid going to the doctor lol

[SorenVC]

For me hustle is more like the Andrew Tate hustle, he kinda made the word popular, like creating a business on your own and making $€... That is hustle for me. But I am way too mentally ill, retarded, autistic, stupid, lazy and sedated from Olanzapine to bother looking into creating a business. I'd rather take my meds all life and work a 7-4 job. Cause that's what we work in Germany, not 9-5 but 7-4, usually.

[SorenVC]

It doesn't take effort at all to make an appointment with a doctor imo. Just one phone call. Buddha was about letting go of your desires and just be happy, I guess. At least not forcing things and letting it flow...

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

To play devil’s advocate and argue the other side of the coin: there is a common saying that “the weight of discipline is far less than the weight of regret

I consider myself a disciplined person, willing and able to hustle and suffer in the short term for long term benefits. But I never completely agreed with that quote

Regret is a state of mind. It is possible to banish those thoughts and avoid them like any other negative thought, so long as you have something else to focus on. I think that this becomes harder when someone is continually reminded of things they regret, like seeing happy couples or successful people. But even then, it doesn’t change the fact that living in a mindset of regret is still a choice, and we can always choose to think differently

But I still choose discipline, in some areas anyway, not in a wealth-seeking sort of way

[SorenVC]

To play devil’s advocate and argue the other side of the coin: there is a common saying that “the weight of discipline is far less than the weight of regret

I consider myself a disciplined person, willing and able to hustle and suffer in the short term for long term benefits. But I never completely agreed with that quote

Regret is a state of mind. It is possible to banish those thoughts and avoid them like any other negative thought, so long as you have something else to focus on. I think that this becomes harder when someone is continually reminded of things they regret, like seeing happy couples or successful people. But even then, it doesn’t change the fact that living in a mindset of regret is still a choice, and we can always choose to think differently

But I still choose discipline, in some areas anyway, not in a wealth-seeking sort of way

You will be disciplined as long as you're not sent into a psychiatry for a problem, be labeled with any mental illness and then take anti-psychotics that mess with your brain and give you random headache. I don't really understand this free will / discipline above all else thing. These people are beginning to sound like the Marquis de Gramont in the new movie and he died lol.

Literally to John Wick accepting peace and not shooting the blind guy. I thought those discipline highly confident people were way too sure of themselves and the opposite would be humility. They just didn't get humbled enough although I agree that I wouldn't wanna be a fat Buddha. One steam friend of mine said "people always do what is most comfortable for them" and it makes more sense to me than free will or whatever.

[magnetaress]

The only certain way out is for humanity to end either through change or extinction.

Not to worry though. This is inevitable and inescapable. Thankfully everything as Buddha would say is temporary. Just have gratitude for how temporary it all really is.

[SorenVC]

The only certain way out is for humanity to end either through change or extinction.

Not to worry though. This is inevitable and inescapable. Thankfully everything as Buddha would say is temporary. Just have gratitude for how temporary it all really is.

But if humans go extinct, do the other animals live on? How would this be happening and what for? The animals have as much a meaningless existence as humans. The lions just hunting zebras for eternity. Doesn't really sound like heaven to me.

We don't have the Universal Union Combine on earth (yet).

[shovelquest]

But if humans go extinct, do the other animals live on? How would this be happening and what for? The animals have as much a meaningless existence as humans. The lions just hunting zebras for eternity. Doesn't really sound like heaven to me.

We don't have the Universal Union Combine on earth (yet).

Dogs gonna take over, we trained them to replace us.

[SorenVC]

I think Buddha is right because if you're born in Japan it doesn't take a lot of effort to learn Japanese, if you're born in Germany it doesn't take a lot of effort to learn German, and if you had some English classes and communicated in English on the internet for a while, it also won't be too difficult to learn English once you're growing into an adult. Forcing is like trying to learn a new language when you're too old for that and don't really need the language. Forcing is thinking you need it so you desperately use all your resources to get it, but it doesn't work well.

Did Ichigo force this win against Aizen or did he train with Zangetsu for a long time (where's the force in that?) and then simply went to Aizen knowing that he's stronger? Aizen seemed more to be forcing things here and Ichigo still won.

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[shovelquest]

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Watch this magna!

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

They just didn't get humbled enough although I agree that I wouldn't wanna be a fat Buddha

Well there you go. Most of my discipline is in regards to physical health

I see so many young people saying “why shouldn’t I do what makes me happy?” And I’m flabbergasted. Eating donuts for every meal would make me happy. Doing a mountain of cocaine for breakfast would make me happy. Not paying my bills would make me happy

There’s all sorts of reasons to NOT do what makes us happy, it such an absurd idea. Not saying the OP is saying this, just something I see all the time

[SorenVC]

Well there you go. Most of my discipline is in regards to physical health

I see so many young people saying “why shouldn’t I do what makes me happy?” And I’m flabbergasted. Eating donuts for every meal would make me happy. Doing a mountain of cocaine for breakfast would make me happy. Not paying my bills would make me happy

There’s all sorts of reasons to NOT do what makes us happy, it such an absurd idea. Not saying the OP is saying this, just something I see all the time

Or it wouldn't make you happy because you'd get fat and ugly so you workout instead because it makes you more happy... Right?

[magnetaress]

But if humans go extinct, do the other animals live on? How would this be happening and what for? The animals have as much a meaningless existence as humans. The lions just hunting zebras for eternity. Doesn't really sound like heaven to me.

We don't have the Universal Union Combine on earth (yet).

But if humans go extinct, do the other animals live on? How would this be happening and what for? The animals have as much a meaningless existence as humans. The lions just hunting zebras for eternity. Doesn't really sound like heaven to me.

We don't have the Universal Union Combine on earth (yet).



Heaven is not on / in earth.

U go there in ur senses when you die if you are judged worthy and taught about it. There may and is probably some external conscious force involved. Most ppl say G-d, spirits, angels, devils, Satan etc... beware because Satan pretends to be G-d and pretends to send u to Heaven.

As for what happens after humans that's between them and G-d. U won't know. It may be intelligent cats with opposable thumbs.

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

Or it wouldn't make you happy because you'd get fat and ugly so you workout instead because it makes you more happy... Right?

The basic premise is what I mentioned before. All these things that make us happy and are comfortable and easy in the short term mean a nightmarish long term

Taking my examples: doing cocaine every day, donuts for every meal, and not paying my bills anymore would eventually result in me horribly fat, with a ruined nose and screwed up heart and brain from all the cocaine, and in prison for skipping those bills

Even if the alternative isn’t exercising, even if the alternative is just NOT doing those things that make me happy and instead sitting in a chair staring at a wall for that period of time, I’d still end up better off ;)

[magnetaress]

It's OK to die. Don't let anyone force you to live in order to pay "feed" them.

[SorenVC]

The basic premise is what I mentioned before. All these things that make us happy and are comfortable and easy in the short term mean a nightmarish long term

Taking my examples: doing cocaine every day, donuts for every meal, and not paying my bills anymore would eventually result in me horribly fat, with a ruined nose and screwed up heart and brain from all the cocaine, and in prison for skipping those bills

Even if the alternative isn’t exercising, even if the alternative is just NOT doing those things that make me happy and instead sitting in a chair staring at a wall for that period of time, I’d still end up better off ;)

But you don't do cocaine, don't eat donuts, still pay your bills, simply because you are afraid of the consequences. You just implied it, we do things because of fear. You keep those numbers up in your bank account because of fear. You workout because you want to be admired by the other gender. You don't want to become poor, homeless, or fat, and ugly to women, so you do this and that. Isn't this just fear..? Fear and pain are the strongest motivators.

You don't mess with John Wick because you don't wanna die. You serve the High Table because prior circumstances made you be involved with the High Table. I take my Olanzapine pills because after 4 tries getting off cold turkey, I realized and experienced that this is very bad and painful. It all seems to me like people are not honest with themselves when they call themselves disciplined or so, as for my life, I wouldn't say that I did any thing on my own, nor would I say that I would do anything different if I had to relive the same experience, because with the same circumstances it is the same moment which is in the past and already happened, so how can there be a free will, a choice, that alters the future, if the moment in time exists only once?

[SorenVC]

It's OK to die. Don't let anyone force you to live in order to pay "feed" them.

I also think it's ok to die. I wouldn't do suicide because I am VERY scared of pain, but I respect people who suicided. Imo it takes a lot of will and effort to complete a suicide and get this done, it is like the hardest thing you can do in life, so I never understood those bashers who blame them. The suicidal person blames themself for everything and kills themself, and then other people blame the suicidal person too. Ironic.

[shovelquest]

Can't wait to raid with you bro's all again while my life flashes before my eyes.

[magnetaress]

Can't wait to raid with you bro's all again while my life flashes before my eyes.

It's already happening ;)

[Ekco]

god dammit, shovel.

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[magnetaress]

Need reasons to keep going since I am past the EQ stage in the flashback.

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

But you don't do cocaine, don't eat donuts, still pay your bills, simply because you are afraid of the consequences. You just implied it, we do things because of fear. You keep those numbers up in your bank account because of fear. You workout because you want to be admired by the other gender. You don't want to become poor, homeless, or fat, and ugly to women, so you do this and that. Isn't this just fear..? Fear and pain are the strongest motivators.


You got it. Use fear to push you forward rather than to freeze you and hold you in place

Because you are going to suffer either way, I promise. But you get to pick how and when

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=82u5SUQvjxk

[SorenVC]

You got it. Use fear to push you forward rather than to freeze you and hold you in place

Because you are going to suffer either way, I promise. But you get to pick how and when

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=82u5SUQvjxk

Fear freezes me when I have thoughts of killing someone who abuses me and fear makes me workout because I'm afraid of being lazy... But those are not real choices. If this is free will then it is all about brain chemistry which is out of our control. Did I or you really make such better choices than a really overweight about to die person or someone who gambled away all his money, or were they simply in a bad circumstance? I have OCD and repetitive thoughts so I don't really feel in control whatever I do. It's almost like fate is real but for some reason it also isn't. I don't know. But this discipline free will thing, it's a childish explanation for how complex life seems to be.

[shovelquest]

god dammit, shovel.

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https://i.imgur.com/bOBFOZT.png

[Ekco]

Need reasons to keep going since I am past the EQ stage in the flashback.
i'm going backwards instead of forward in the flashback

Dungeons and Dragons. that's what i regret sacrificing for EQ.

before it killed the group completely i got to beta test 3.0 and lie about my age to get into the first printing of that DMG, the DM of that group literally yelled at us to stop talking about EQ at the table once ;/

i still feel bad about that, dude was a english teacher and put tons of work into his world

[magnetaress]

3.0 was peak DnD.

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

If this is free will then it is all about brain chemistry which is out of our control.

Brain chemistry is not out of your control. The most obvious examples would be the foods you eat, the amount of sleep you get, the drugs you take, all impact brain chemistry

But our brains are not so basic that those are the only things. The thoughts you hold in your mind AND the behaviors you act with your body also affect your brain chemistry. An obvious example would be if you work out your brain produces endorphins which bind to opioid receptors in the brain to dull pain and produce feelings of happiness

Every little thing both internal coming from you and external happening to you is affecting your brain chemistry to some degree. This is why changing patterns of thoughts and behaviors via therapy can treat mental health issues like depression

[shovelquest]

3.0 was peak DnD.

You're probably right because THACo was confusing as hell but this is still #1 for me.

https://i.imgur.com/08G8QcB.png

[Reiwa]

You're probably right because THACo was confusing as hell but this is still #1 for me.

https://i.imgur.com/08G8QcB.png

Inscrutable THAC0 was best THAC0

[shovelquest]

I like the class system in 2nd edition, and iirc EQs is inspired from it.

"specialist wizards" = Wizard, enchanter, Necromancer?

https://adnd2e.fandom.com/wiki/Classes

[Duik]

D and D oriental adventures was peak D and D.

Material components for wujen (wiz i think) a burning censer for fire spells etc etc. Immersion plus.

[magnetaress]

I like the class system in 2nd edition, and iirc EQs is inspired from it.

"specialist wizards" = Wizard, enchanter, Necromancer?

https://adnd2e.fandom.com/wiki/Classes

2e classes, multiclass, dual class for humans was pretty great.

[atomicpaul]

if my fellow nerds want to start an online d&d game i am DOWN.