Still No Word?

[Ghost_of_Fippy]

I keep coming back every so often for word of a new server launch.

I know they are still active behind the scenes. They turned on bonuses for July 4th.

The last player posting on the communications sticky at the top of the page was in May 2024. Looked like the last posting from any P99 team member was October 2019.

Should I stop holding my breath? I keep passing out waiting.

[Ransurian]

Green was always intended to be the finished product while Blue essentially served as a trial run / development server prior to Green’s release. There won’t be a new server because Green is the fulfillment of the original vision. It’s mission accomplished at this point. Simple as that.

If you want a fresh experience, start up an alt and don’t put 200k into it to trivialize the content.

[loramin]

If you just want confirmation that Green 2.0 is coming, go read the bug forum. You can see they are fixing things which could only matter on a future Green 2.0 server (eg. fixing content that is already out-of-era).

However, while it's true that Green 2.0 is coming, the staff operates on their own, very slow timeline; breath holding is ill-advised.

[Ghost_of_Fippy]

Green was always intended to be the finished product..

Then why do they keep pushing patches for Green?

Some of those patches remove content from the game prior to a certain month and year. Those mainly include the first 12 months the game was out, yet the game is at the end of Velious.

Do these particular patches from June 1st 2025 make any sense to you?

Nilbog: Lord Soptyvr no longer spawns until [Feb2000]
Nilbog: Thadres Thyme will not spawn until [Jul1999]
Nilbog: Redwind and icy orcs do not spawn until [Oct1999]
Nilbog: 'Leuz's Task' is not available until [Apr2001].
Nilbog: 'Necromancer Words' quests now work. Quest givers do not spawn until [Jul1999]
Nilbog: Martar Icebear won't spawn until [Oct1999].

Why waste time on these patches? We are clearly past those dates in the game's timeline.

[Ghost_of_Fippy]

If you just want confirmation that Green 2.0 is coming, go read the bug forum. You can see they are fixing things which could only matter on a future Green 2.0 server (eg. fixing content that is already out-of-era).

However, while it's true that Green 2.0 is coming, the staff operates on their own, very slow timeline; breath holding is ill-advised.

I believe one is coming. The patch notes from June tell me. When, is the question...

[Ciderpress]

Was about to make the same point but glad to see it's been made for me. Some people have really strong opinions without doing something as simple as reading patch notes posted on the front page.

[Drueric]

They were going to merge blue and green and wipe. But that was supposed to be a couple years ago...

[Wonton]

Green 2.0 will come out one day, I just know it will..... And I am eagerly fucking waiting that's for sure, HYYYYYYYPE!!!

Also, I think they still patch for green because they want it to be perfect so that when 2.0 rolls around it'll be like 98% accurate as to how it was back in 1999. God Bless Brothers.

[Realm]

Thursday for sure.

[sajbert]

Green was always intended to be the finished product while Blue essentially served as a trial run / development server prior to Green’s release. There won’t be a new server because Green is the fulfillment of the original vision. It’s mission accomplished at this point. Simple as that.

If you want a fresh experience, start up an alt and don’t put 200k into it to trivialize the content.

Uh. No.

Green still sees patches of pre-current content. Green was initially supposed to be merged with Blue but then they went back on that statement and left it up in the air. Maybe the goal was a classic like run through the content just one time, or a recurring server, I haven't seen anything to state one or the other.

[Drueric]

Maybe they need more donations.

[Goregasmic]

Also, I think they still patch for green because they want it to be perfect so that when 2.0 rolls around it'll be like 98% accurate as to how it was back in 1999. God Bless Brothers.

Yeah I think something like implementing the lull nerf before green 2.0 hits would have MASSIVE consequences on how the economy would unfold. Other stuff like adjustments to spell resists and fixing mages would be nice too. Would make sense to hold up green 2.0 release until some of the last major kinks are ironed out.

[Ghost_of_Fippy]

Thursday for sure.

Thank you. I put in a vacation day at work...

[ya.dingus]

I wonder if the project will ever come back to life.

[Ghost_of_Fippy]

I wonder if the project will ever come back to life.

I believe they warned everyone not to create multiple characters on the same account across both Blue and Green servers for that reason.

If you happened to miss that message, you would eventually have to decide which characters you are going to delete so you only end up with 8 total during a merger.

[ya.dingus]

I believe they warned everyone not to create multiple characters on the same account across both Blue and Green servers for that reason.

If you happened to miss that message, you would eventually have to decide which characters you are going to delete so you only end up with 8 total during a merger.

??

Was this just a comment out of left field or what?

[cd288]

Green was always intended to be the finished product while Blue essentially served as a trial run / development server prior to Green’s release. There won’t be a new server because Green is the fulfillment of the original vision. It’s mission accomplished at this point. Simple as that.

If you want a fresh experience, start up an alt and don’t put 200k into it to trivialize the content.

Huh? This is absolutely not true. Look at the staff's own words

[cd288]

??

Was this just a comment out of left field or what?

No. It was in the staff's messaging at launch

[WarpathEQ]

My prediction is that a new server comes after they solve the unclassic resists and channeling issues. That seems to be the final big piece of the mechanics that doesn't work as intended for this classic project.

[Ghost_of_Fippy]

??

Was this just a comment out of left field or what?

No.

Appearances are this was part of your comment. And what I was replying too.

"If you want to server merge, then you have to server purge."

[Goregasmic]

My prediction is that a new server comes after they solve the unclassic resists and channeling issues. That seems to be the final big piece of the mechanics that doesn't work as intended for this classic project.

What's the channeling issue again? Too little interrupts on p99?

[Swish]

My prediction is that a new server comes after they solve the unclassic resists and channeling issues. That seems to be the final big piece of the mechanics that doesn't work as intended for this classic project.

PQ got told no resets/new servers as part of the agreement with Daybreak... if that's any indicator.

[sajbert]

Difficult to say when the p99-team don't communicate with us. Could be that Green was an exception and since then no no fresh server has been greenlit by Daybreak.

If Daybreak doesn't allow fresh/rotating private servers (which I think makes sense) but allows for QoL tweaks like permanent legacy item drops on Quarm then I think there could be an argument for implementing something similar on Green. Perhaps opening up legacy camp and respawning warders on a cycling original timeline schedule.

But yeah, it's anyone's guess.

[jolanar]

This whole thing is turning into a George R. R. Martin is never going to write the Winds of Winter kind of thing.

[cd288]

Difficult to say when the p99-team don't communicate with us. Could be that Green was an exception and since then no no fresh server has been greenlit by Daybreak.

If Daybreak doesn't allow fresh/rotating private servers (which I think makes sense) but allows for QoL tweaks like permanent legacy item drops on Quarm then I think there could be an argument for implementing something similar on Green. Perhaps opening up legacy camp and respawning warders on a cycling original timeline schedule.

But yeah, it's anyone's guess.

The P99 agreement allows new servers as long as they don't go past Velious and, presumably, as long as they don't do crazy stuff like PQ and THJ.

[zelld52]

Was that agreement in perpetuity, forever? I doubt it - it more than likely had a time frame on it - and it could quite possibly be the case that the agreement is reaching the end of its terms.

I have a feeling that a new p99 server would not please the current Daybreak team - as they are struggling with TLPs. Fresh p99 server would rob Daybreak of potentially thousands of subscriptions, in their minds.

[Agrimir]

Was that agreement in perpetuity, forever? I doubt it - it more than likely had a time frame on it - and it could quite possibly be the case that the agreement is reaching the end of its terms.

I have a feeling that a new p99 server would not please the current Daybreak team - as they are struggling with TLPs. Fresh p99 server would rob Daybreak of potentially thousands of subscriptions, in their minds.


They hate it so much that they agreed to officially recognize another emulator.

[Drueric]

We dont need a new server, we just need to wipe this one and start over fresh. Green has gotten quite stale.

[Coridan]

The Quarm agreement is pretty trash, so I hope P99's is better.

If DBG had any brains they'd just buy P99 and actually run it as a 4 year recycle server.

[Ghost_of_Fippy]

We dont need a new server, we just need to wipe this one and start over fresh. Green has gotten quite stale.

A thousand thumbs up!

[Ghost_of_Fippy]

Was that agreement in perpetuity, forever? I doubt it - it more than likely had a time frame on it - and it could quite possibly be the case that the agreement is reaching the end of its terms.

I have a feeling that a new p99 server would not please the current Daybreak team - as they are struggling with TLPs. Fresh p99 server would rob Daybreak of potentially thousands of subscriptions, in their minds.

It does not make sense the P99 team is patching old content to take certain NPCs out of the game until later dates when they would then spawn. Most of those NPCs will appear in the game in the summer of 1999. The Green server is obviously way past those dates.

So why waste time on the latest patch introduced last month?

[Ghost_of_Fippy]

I don't know squat about THJ, but I have a level 54 Necro on Project Quarm. RIP.

I figured a Legal notice would eventually be handed down by DBG, but not this soon. I was wagering it would be given to the Quarm team on the first day Luclin opened.

P99 does not have a legal agreement to go past Velious. I figured Quarm had no agreement at all to even start a server.

[sajbert]

I don't know squat about THJ, but I have a level 54 Necro on Project Quarm. RIP.

I figured a Legal notice would eventually be handed down by DBG, but not this soon. I was wagering it would be given to the Quarm team on the first day Luclin opened.

P99 does not have a legal agreement to go past Velious. I figured Quarm had no agreement at all to even start a server.
quarm is back

[sajbert]

It does not make sense the P99 team is patching old content to take certain NPCs out of the game until later dates when they would then spawn. Most of those NPCs will appear in the game in the summer of 1999. The Green server is obviously way past those dates.

So why waste time on the latest patch introduced last month?

p99-devs are playing on their own classic server without us

[Goregasmic]

I have a feeling that a new p99 server would not please the current Daybreak team - as they are struggling with TLPs. Fresh p99 server would rob Daybreak of potentially thousands of subscriptions, in their minds.

Classic is too different from most TLP rulesets.

They're releasing 1 TLP a year, no wonder it is losing steam though. How many times are you cool with starting over?


We dont need a new server, we just need to wipe this one and start over fresh. Green has gotten quite stale.

If "being stale" is the criteria to wipe servers then red/blue should go before green.

Or just fusion all 3 and start a new red/green if that's even possible/allowed.

[loramin]

Or just fusion all 3 and start a new red/green if that's even possible/allowed.

It's not just possible/allowed: the entire P99 plan has always been to "fuse" blue and green together (and then use Green 1.0's server to host Green 2.0).

However, thankfully, no one has mentioned any plans to merge the dumpster fire known as Red ;)

The green server will, at a time yet to be decided, eventually merge into blue and start over again. This merge will not happen until at least 6 months after the last patch in velious (No earlier than January 2023)

[Drueric]

The p99 devs have abandoned us. They only keep the lights on because donations keep rolling in.

[loramin]

The p99 devs have abandoned us. They only keep the lights on because donations keep rolling in.

People said the same thing about Velious (which took years) and Green 1.0 (which also took years). They probably said it about Kunark too, but that was before my time.

(Fun side note: you can still find old threads here where I argued with nearly everyone in the forum about Green ... because it took so long that the vast majority were convinced Green would never actually happen.)

Point being, the staff always takes a long time for their major projects ... and by "a long time", I mean a long time ... but eventually they do always complete them.

[Ghost_of_Fippy]

quarm is back

Sure it is. That is why you don't have a server to log into. Because it's back...:rolleyes:

[vales]

it'd be cool if there was a comment every two years confirming that it's still possible/the intention

[Castle2.0]

Let's just get an influx of new people instead of a new server. Get ready. They will come.

[Ghost_of_Fippy]

quarm is back

Sacre bleu

You are correct. Looks like they got a lot of work to do rolling back their code. I am surprised they are letting them go beyond Velious. I wonder if that means they will have to remove the instances. That was the best part.

I also notice THJ server was still up with around 2,100 logged in. Does that server Box or are those legit accounts? And if they are being sued, I would have thought they would have shut it down until there was a resolution.

[Drueric]

Sacre bleu

You are correct. Looks like they got a lot of work to do rolling back their code. I am surprised they are letting them go beyond Velious. I wonder if that means they will have to remove the instances. That was the best part.

I also notice THJ server was still up with around 2,100 logged in. Does that server Box or are those legit accounts? And if they are being sued, I would have thought they would have shut it down until there was a resolution.

They allow 2 characters to be logged in at the same time, so long as one is only a bazaar trader that never leaves bazaar.

[zelld52]

They hate it so much that they agreed to officially recognize another emulator.

Oh is Quarm rebooting?

Im talking about a fresh, legit server that would attract people wanting to roll on a fresh, legit server to give them the true feeling.

[Ghost_of_Fippy]

Oh is Quarm rebooting?

Im talking about a fresh, legit server that would attract people wanting to roll on a fresh, legit server to give them the true feeling.

Doesn't sound like a reboot. There will be a server cap at 1200 players on at one time, and a queue like DBG does during a new server launch. And like DBG's TLP server launches, I wager the players are not going to log their characters out of the game due to the cap.

If Quarm was not ready for the Luclin expansion to open, it may be down for a while. Who really knows. You might check their Discord channel for updates.

From Google AI

No, Project Quarm was not shut down. It was allowed to continue operating, but with significant changes to its custom features and mechanics due to an agreement with Daybreak Games. Project Quarm will now focus on a more classic EverQuest experience, removing custom content and unique mechanics. The server is also undergoing a transition to the Luclin expansion and will have a player cap of 1200 players, with an offline bazaar trading feature.

[cd288]

(Fun side note: you can still find old threads here where I argued with nearly everyone in the forum about Green ... because it took so long that the vast majority were convinced Green would never actually happen.)

Point being, the staff always takes a long time for their major projects ... and by "a long time", I mean a long time ... but eventually they do always complete them.

Yup. People always said Green would never happen. It did.

There will be Green 2.0 eventually. Who knows when eventually is though.

[Findlyn]

However, while it's true that Green 2.0 is coming, the staff operates on their own, very slow timeline; breath holding is ill-advised.

But if you hold your breath enough, you will time travel! You will get sleepy and wake up at a later time. Do enough and you will time travel to new server. Or get brain damage from lack of oxygen. *shrug*

[Findlyn]

Sacre bleu

You are correct. Looks like they got a lot of work to do rolling back their code. I am surprised they are letting them go beyond Velious. I wonder if that means they will have to remove the instances. That was the best part.

I also notice THJ server was still up with around 2,100 logged in. Does that server Box or are those legit accounts? And if they are being sued, I would have thought they would have shut it down until there was a resolution.

Guild/pvp instances are allowed to stay. Along side the NG+, S/SF/HC modes. Basically only losing the custom race/class combos, the khati raid and future froglok race/zones and mask from veksar.

Not only is THJ still running with the lawsuit, they are openly still taking money and said they are working on updates. They just wont push updates until after the trial(tbh i doubt thj might be around after anyway tho)

[Goregasmic]

it'd be cool if there was a comment every two years confirming that it's still possible/the intention

Sadly, the way they're handling it right now is probably the way they're harassed the least. Imagine making a roadmap and not making the deadlines, people would go mental.

[F0rmsh1fter]

Sadly, the way they're handling it right now is probably the way they're harassed the least. Imagine making a roadmap and not making the deadlines, people would go mental.

It also probably implies guilt to cease operations, from the perspective of a slimy (read:any) lawyer

[ashentco]

Doesn't sound like a reboot. There will be a server cap at 1200 players on at one time, and a queue like DBG does during a new server launch. And like DBG's TLP server launches, I wager the players are not going to log their characters out of the game due to the cap.

If Quarm was not ready for the Luclin expansion to open, it may be down for a while. Who really knows. You might check their Discord channel for updates.

From Google AI

No, Project Quarm was not shut down. It was allowed to continue operating, but with significant changes to its custom features and mechanics due to an agreement with Daybreak Games. Project Quarm will now focus on a more classic EverQuest experience, removing custom content and unique mechanics. The server is also undergoing a transition to the Luclin expansion and will have a player cap of 1200 players, with an offline bazaar trading feature.

Not really sure why you'd include the bottom, as that feature hallucinates everything it pops out. Anyone who actually plays that server could have answered these questions without speculating. So here goes-

PQ was turned off immediately voluntarily by the staff when the THJ lawsuit hit. Funny enough, THJ never stopped operating and is blatantly taking money from the community, and making the case against them worse and worse as time goes on. After about 3 weeks of being offline, Secrets announced that she had talked to DBG and been given permission to operate fully legally and without interruption if she rolled back the custom content and put a 1200 player cap on the server with a queue system.

Since Luclin wasn't supposed to launch until 9 months after Velious (which opened in April) they are disabling all raid mobs in Luclin, but opening the zones PURELY BECAUSE it will allow them to keep Beastlords in the game without violating the agreement, which released early.

PQ turns back on August 1st, with AA's enabled and Luclin zones open, but no raid mobs spawning. Players who had illegal race/class combos will be forced to select a new race.

[F0rmsh1fter]

Weird that rogean didn’t have a mandated cap

[zelld52]

Weird that rogean didn’t have a mandated cap

TLPs were alot healthier in 2019

[Snaggles]

Weird that rogean didn’t have a mandated cap

I expect he used the time tested method of negotiating with Daybreak before getting a subpoena.

[zelld52]

I expect he used the time tested method of negotiating with Daybreak before getting a subpoena.

This one trick lawyers hate

[cd288]

It also probably implies guilt to cease operations, from the perspective of a slimy (read:any) lawyer

As a lawyer, I wouldn't say it implies guilt to cease operations. What I would tell them is you don't have to cease operations unless Daybreak files and injunction and a court rules on it. Granted, it might be in your interest to cease operations regardless; a court might look kindly on that and if Daybreak is suing for speculative and/or punitive damages you may be only making those damages worse by continuing to operate...but there's nothing legally that says you have to stop unless there's an injunction.

[Infectious]

Weird that rogean didn’t have a mandated cap

You comparing rogean to secrets lol? Secrets? Haha