The right to discriminate

[Reiwa]

Uber announces new safety feature (https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/uber-announces-feature-allowing-women-select-female-preference-riders-drivers)

Uber announced a "Women's Preferences" on Wednesday that would allow women riders and drivers in the U.S. to only be connected with other women for their trips through the ride-sharing service.

The content of my character doesn't feel very seen when I'm discriminated against based on my immutable characteristics. :eek:

[loramin]

Your immutable characteristics don't involve you having a 1 in 3 to 1 in 4 (depending on whose numbers you use) chance of being raped or sexually assaulted in your lifetime. That makes it easy to dismiss the concerns of those who do ... but that doesn't make those concerns invalid.

[Reiwa]

Your immutable characteristics don't involve you having a 1 in 3 to 1 in 4 (depending on whose numbers you use) chance of being raped or sexually assaulted in your lifetime. That makes it easy to dismiss the concerns of those who do ... but that doesn't make those concerns invalid.

https://i.imgur.com/KGyHArY.png

[Ekco]

Uber announces new safety feature (https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/uber-announces-feature-allowing-women-select-female-preference-riders-drivers)



The content of my character doesn't feel very seen when I'm discriminated against based on my immutable characteristics. :eek:

this is one of those things i assumed was already a feature.

also, i want the option to only pick a male driver. I nearly had a panic attack from a distracted female lyft driver once.

i'd pay extra for an ride app with female drivers in manual cars with gutted interiors and 5 point harness recaro seats or something though... like a lot extra.

[loramin]

https://www.lawsuit-information-center.com/uber-sex-assault-lawsuit.html

Scroll down. Keep scrolling: it goes for awhile (and those are just the cases that became serious lawsuits ... from the last year).

[loramin]

also, i want the option to only pick a male driver. I nearly had a panic attack from a distracted female lyft driver once.

So you feel you'll be safer with a male driver because ... males don't get distracted? :confused:

[Reiwa]

https://www.lawsuit-information-center.com/uber-sex-assault-lawsuit.html

Scroll down. Keep scrolling: it goes for awhile (and those are just the cases that became serious lawsuits ... from the last year).

No need to scroll. I already understand that you're worried I might rape a white woman.

[Ekco]

So you feel you'll be safer with a male driver

Yes.

without knowing any other information other than gender.

we could construct a whole flow chart(?) if you want, like a European female ranks higher because i'm pretty sure you have to actually take your test in a manual car in a lot of countries over there and the whole drivers education in general is better.

i live in Texas, it's like 10 written questions and a 5 minute drive around the block and you get your license, it's fucking terrible.

[atomicpaul]

i am required to use uber when i am onsite for work stuff, i don't like it. especially at airports. makes me feel dirty.

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

Your immutable characteristics don't involve you having a 1 in 3 to 1 in 4 (depending on whose numbers you use) chance of being raped or sexually assaulted in your lifetime. That makes it easy to dismiss the concerns of those who do ... but that doesn't make those concerns invalid.

^
Ya I see where OP is coming from but I don’t mind bc of this

[Reiwa]

Everybody guilty by an accident of birth say HEYYYYYY

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

^
Then again, if a girl was cautious she shouldn’t rely on any app feature, and instead use her own discretion

I’m assuming you have to put in your gender as a driver/rider to make identifying the person easier. So a gal could already be discerning and cautious and look for only female riders or drivers

I guess the app just streamlines that somewhat. But it is technically kinda discrimination-adjacent

[Ekco]

there's like a hundred news stories of these companies not doing proper background checks and the workaround of a felon using someone else to setup the account for them.

until shit like that is fixed i think dude's should just deal with being discriminating against on their side gig taxi driver job.

[loramin]

Everybody guilty by an accident of birth say HEYYYYYY

It's kind of sad that you have to make everything be about you: women not wanting to be raped should not be an assault on your fragile ego.

[Reiwa]

It's kind of sad that you have to make everything be about you: women not wanting to be raped should not be an assault on your fragile ego.

Lead counsel for the Gender Segregationist Association, Loramin Frostseer, Esq.

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

Ya’ll hear about that poor woman rideshare driver who had that black thug in a hoodie hold her at gunpoint and it was all caught on her dash cam

She pleaded with him to spare her and that she had FOUR kids at home. Dude didn’t care and told her to drive to some wooded area and shot her in the head, didn’t rape her though, was only interested in her car and money

I regretted seeing the dash cam, although it doesn’t show any violence. Armchair quarterbacking it I woulda just sped into a wall and take my chances he wouldn’t be able to hang onto the gun in the impact. Then it’s a race of who can recover faster

[Ekco]

yeah they tell you don't ever leave and go to another location, your chances are higher even if they are pointing a gun at you while the carjacking is going on, do literally anything else other than comply

[Reiwa]

And then the women will all sit in the back of the church, so the men are not tempted.

[atomicpaul]

please convert this thread into interrogating reiwa about his romantic endeavours, tia

[Reiwa]

please convert this thread into interrogating reiwa about his romantic endeavours, tia

Not so keen on good trouble anymore?

[shovelquest]

Your immutable characteristics don't involve you having a 1 in 3 to 1 in 4 (depending on whose numbers you use) chance of being raped or sexually assaulted in your lifetime. That makes it easy to dismiss the concerns of those who do ... but that doesn't make those concerns invalid.

now do race.

[Ciderpress]

How will this policy interface with trans stuff? It should be entertaining at the very least.

[shovelquest]

So, this is what we get thanks to immigration by the way.

First we flood the zone with criminals and rapists.

Then we need to take away my rights because of all the rapings.

[WarpathEQ]

As if this is a deterent to rape...ever hear of an accomplish? Men use women accomplises all the time to perpetuate crimes. I just saw an article about a guy that got sentenced for forcing women into sex work to pay off their drug debts. Like how else this bish supposed to pay me my money?

[loramin]

So, this is what we get thanks to immigration by the way.

First we flood the zone with criminals and rapists.

Then we need to take away my rights because of all the rapings.

Racist AF ... and wildly inaccurate:

The scapegoating of ethnic and religious minorities is well-tread historical ground in the United States, and immigrants have always made for an easy target. Chinese, Irish, Italian, Muslim, Mexican—all these people and more have been falsely accused of bringing crime into the United States, particularly during times of economic or political unease. Today, some politicians are peddling the same, tired myth, this time of a “migrant crime surge” among immigrants who recently arrived in the country.

However, a robust body of research shows that welcoming immigrants into American communities not only does not increase crime, but can actually strengthen public safety. In fact, immigrants—including undocumented immigrants—are less likely to commit crimes than the U.S.-born. This is true at the national, state, county, and neighborhood levels, and for both violent and non-violent crime.

Yes, that's right: getting more illegal immigrants in your neighborhood will (statistically) lower the crime rate!

[Ekco]

forcing women into sex work to pay off their drug debts.

this shit is incredibly common, Requiem for a Dream is a dope movie about this slippery slope

like... literally every stripper or porn actresses backstory is just a fucking nightmare also, generally speaking.

[shovelquest]

Racist AF ... and wildly inaccurate:

10 million people come into the country with no regulation whatsoever, and suddenly we need put everything in the grocery store behind locked doors, give taxi drivers the right to refuse service because ALL MEN are so violent.

It's bujllshit, and its obvoius why this is happening.

You can call me a racist all you want, I dont care about race nearly as much as you do.

I care about POOR CRIMINALS having FREE ACCESSS to our safe spaces.

10 million people = criminals are going to take advantage.

YOU make everything about race, because YOU ARE A RACIST.

Just like rapists take advantage of places like public school systems, or religious orginizations.

Not all public teachers are rapists, not all priests are rapists, but the lack of security there made rapists go, "oh hey look free real estate"

But you are so hung up on "if 1 does 1 thing, all of them do"

Hence you wanting to make ME have to suffer, because of what OTHER people do.

Because thats what you do, you put people into groups, and then you raise and lower their social status. Racist. Sexist. You.

[Reiwa]

Yes, that's right: getting more illegal immigrants in your neighborhood will (statistically) lower the crime rate!

Does it matter that it's extra? I mean even assuming an equal distribution of population.

Is the criminal justice system static?

[shovelquest]

That is total bullshit, having more illegal immigrants means you will have locked up shit at every grocery store.

"b-b-b-but this study the IMMGIRATION COUNCIL study I found on facebook says they are angels!"

[loramin]

10 million people come into the country with no regulation whatsoever, and suddenly we need put everything in the grocery store behind locked doors, give taxi drivers the right to refuse service because ALL MEN are so violent.

It's bujllshit, and its obvoius why this is happening.

You can call me a racist all you want, I dont care about race nearly as much as you do.

I care about POOR CRIMINALS having FREE ACCESSS to our safe spaces.

10 million people = criminals are going to take advantage.

YOU make everything about race, because YOU ARE A RACIST.

Just like rapists take advantage of places like public school systems, or religious orginizations.

Not all public teachers are rapists, not all priests are rapists, but the lack of security there made rapists go, "oh hey look free real estate"

But you are so hung up on "if 1 does 1 thing, all of them do"

Hence you wanting to make ME have to suffer, because of what OTHER people do.

Because thats what you do, you put people into groups, and then you raise and lower their social status. Racist. Sexist. You.

Triggered.

That is total bullshit, having more illegal immigrants means you will have locked up shit at every grocery store.

"b-b-b-but this study the IMMGIRATION COUNCIL study I found on facebook says they are angels!"

Find me any (non-racist) source of immigrant crime statistics that shows they cause crime then. You can't, because reality doesn't agree with your racist BS worldview.

[Ciderpress]

Yes, that's right: getting more illegal immigrants in your neighborhood will (statistically) lower the crime rate!

This is not true at all. The data on illegal immigrant crime rates is highly suspect *because* they are illegal. It's much harder to measure the crime rates of people who have an extra incentive to avoid detection in the first place.

There's also a difference between petty crime and violent crime. I'd much rather live in a neighborhood with 10 american shoplifters than one with zero american shoplifters but one illegal immigrant murderer.

It is not racist to notice that people who smuggle themselves into the country in cooperation with drug cartels might also be the type likely to commit further crimes. My family is largely scandinavian and if illegals from sweden were the issue at hand I wouldn't feel any differently about it.

[shovelquest]

Find me any (non-racist) source of immigrant crime statistics that shows they cause crime then. You can't, because reality doesn't agree with your racist BS worldview.

First of all you just quoted a propaganda mill.

Immigration Council: A non-profit organization committed to shaping the country's perspectives and actions toward immigrants.

Second of all: I could point you to the US justice system.

Or reality. We've let 40 million people into this country in the last 10 years, and in the same time put everything up in grocery stores behind locked glass doors.

But that's because the kids born here are just suddenly becoming more violent?

Like, you yourself are like, "if someone stole bread to feed their family, im ok with that"

Then you brought in 20 million people who had no bread into the country, and are like, "WHAT you SHOULD be discriminated against, because of all the bread being stolen!"

All so you can pay a few dollars less for goods because you think americans cost too much.

[loramin]

Reality: try living in it. Immigrants lower crime rates in reality ... just not in your fucked up imaginary hatred world.

[Ekco]

How will this policy interface with trans stuff? It should be entertaining at the very least.

in my hierarchy of drivers compared to my anxiety levels while in the back/passenger seat i'm sure i could piss everyone off.

[shovelquest]

This is not true at all

The source for that was a protest organization who's goal in the company ABOUT (https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/our-impact/mission-vision/) section is to "shape" how we think about immigration.

Reality: try living in it. Immigrants lower crime rates in reality ... just not in your fucked up imaginary hatred world.

The only thing it lowers is wages. And CNN knows this, which is why they don't report on anything but how much things will cost as a result of deportations.

[loramin]

This is not true at all. The data on illegal immigrant crime rates is highly suspect *because* they are illegal. It's much harder to measure the crime rates of people who have an extra incentive to avoid detection in the first place.

There's also a difference between petty crime and violent crime. I'd much rather live in a neighborhood with 10 american shoplifters than one with zero american shoplifters but one illegal immigrant murderer.

It is not racist to notice that people who smuggle themselves into the country in cooperation with drug cartels might also be the type likely to commit further crimes. My family is largely scandinavian and if illegals from sweden were the issue at hand I wouldn't feel any differently about it.

The trend remains true for both violent and non-violent crime.

And you can speculate all you want "people who smuggle themselves into the country", but again ... reality doesn't agree with your imagination.

[Ekco]

fucking Reiwa thread about to get errrrybody banned.

[Reiwa]

fucking Reiwa thread about to get errrrybody banned.

If you'd rather be consistent than be right, that's an ethos.

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0563/9831/5692/files/luke-builds-lightsaber.jpg

[loramin]

The source for that was a protest organization who's goal in the company ABOUT (https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/our-impact/mission-vision/) section is to "shape" how we think about immigration.

What's it called when you have no leg to stand on, rationally, so all you can do is take pot shots at (one particular) messenger (even though there are hundreds of others all saying the same thing)?

[shovelquest]

Reality: try living in it. Immigrants lower crime rates in reality ... just not in your fucked up imaginary hatred world.

Look at all this bread they are feeding their families with!

Vqyi5Lzxwmg

[shovelquest]

What's it called when you have no leg to stand on, rationally, so all you can do is take pot shots at (one particular) messenger (even though there are hundreds of others all saying the same thing)?

Find me a message that isn't from an organization thats goal is to "shape" the way we "think"

And instead: "trying to tell the truth"

[loramin]

Loramin: Here are the (undisputed) facts.

Shovelquest: Look at this Youtube video some racist person made!

[Ciderpress]

And you can speculate all you want "people who smuggle themselves into the country", but again ... reality doesn't agree with your imagination.

Tell that to people who live in el paso boss. Know who opposes illegal immigration even more than natural born americans? Legal immigrants! Are they racist against their own people or something? Because that makes no sense. People are sick of that dumb baseless racism smear every time they're just like "uh maybe this guy with face tattoos who keeps breaking into my ranch in el paso is a bad thing??. Could we maybe do something to stop this?"

No! You are a rrrrrrracist! Barf, so old.

[shovelquest]

Loramin: Here are the (undisputed) facts.

Shovelquest: Look at this Youtube video some racist person made!

Undisputed facts are not "i googled something about vaccines"

[Skarne]

"uh maybe this guy with face tattoos who keeps breaking into my ranch in el paso is a bad thing??".

You have a ranch in El Paso that keeps being broken into by a tattooed faced man? You should prolly call the town guards.

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

Crime also lowers crime rates

There can be a point of singularity where there is so much crime, so much of it is not getting solved, that people become disincentivized to waste their time reporting it. Thus the “reported” crime rate actually goes DOWN

If I just had my car window smashed for the 3rd time, and the past 2 times police did jack shit, what benefit would it be for me to wait around 3 hours for them to show up, another hour putting in the report, just for it to result in nothing again?

There’s all sorts of little things unaccounted for that go into crime rates. As Cider says, crimes tend to happen to other members of THAT community. Which means illegals are most often committing crimes within a community of a lot of illegals. And if the victim is an illegal fearing deportation, they are less likely to report the crime. Which affects the “crime rate”

Of course the counterpoint is if they’re mostly targeting their own community, why does it affect you white people? ;)

[Reiwa]

You have a ranch in El Paso that keeps being broken into by a tattooed faced man? You should prolly call the town guards.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/image.php?u=32804&dateline=1554602794

[loramin]

Find me a message that isn't from an organization thats goal is to "shape" the way we "think"

And instead: "trying to tell the truth"

How about https://www.policinginstitute.org/ (a non-profit that supports cops)? Would they change your mind?

(I'm sure the answer is no: nothing can, because you don't care about reality.)

[shovelquest]

I am so sick and tired of being lumped in with rapists like Loramin (who is like, "yes we men are filthy rapists because I am one too") just because we both have penisis.

Loramin should have to register as a potential sex offender because he is a man.

[Ciderpress]

Loramin lecturing people about reality meanwhile he thinks every criticism of illegal immigrants and illegal immigration could only be made by the imaginary racists who he thinks live under every rock and behind every tree. I'm thinking he watches a lot of david pakman and sam seder.

[loramin]

It must suck being miserable all the time over fictional stuff.

[Reiwa]

Crime also lowers crime rates

There can be a point of singularity where there is so much crime, so much of it is not getting solved, that people become disincentivized to waste their time reporting it. Thus the “reported” crime rate actually goes DOWN

If I just had my car window smashed for the 3rd time, and the past 2 times police did jack shit, what benefit would it be for me to wait around 3 hours for them to show up, another hour putting in the report, just for it to result in nothing again?

There’s all sorts of little things unaccounted for that go into crime rates. As Cider says, crimes tend to happen to other members of THAT community. Which means illegals are most often committing crimes within a community of a lot of illegals. And if the victim is an illegal fearing deportation, they are less likely to report the crime. Which affects the “crime rate”

Of course the counterpoint is if they’re mostly targeting their own community, why does it affect you white people? ;)

I saw some chattering that Cali lowered their crime rates by munis no longer reporting it to I think it was the FBI.

[Skarne]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/image.php?u=32804&dateline=1554602794
what does it mean

[OriginalContentGuy]

Look at all this bread they are feeding their families with!

Vqyi5Lzxwmg

Why when firstly I like Loramin, and know him to be fair and conscientious, says you are living in a fucked up imaginary hatred world. Even if I care to doubt him, I would first ask, what is the core argument or statement at the center of what you Shovelquest, are demonstrating or trying to with whatever you want to show me?

Not that I even know or care but I am asking. I just entered.

[Reiwa]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/image.php?u=32804&dateline=1554602794

what does it mean

No thanks, I don't want any pizza.

[Skarne]

No thanks, I don't want any pizza.

I don't understand your clouded internet infested neckbeard mind mr Xi.

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

I am so sick and tired of being lumped in with rapists like Loramin (who is like, "yes we men are filthy rapists because I am one too") just because we both have penisis.

Loramin should have to register as a potential sex offender because he is a man.

Men ARE like 10x more likely to be arrested for a violent crime though

We shouldn’t ignore statistics to pad feelings. And no don’t ask me to do race next, we already know where that road goes lol

[shovelquest]

https://i.imgur.com/KqwAgSI.png

[shovelquest]

Why when firstly I like Loramin, and know him to be fair and conscientious, says you are living in a fucked up imaginary hatred world. Even if I care to doubt him, I would first ask, what is the core argument or statement at the center of what you Shovelquest, are demonstrating or trying to with whatever you want to show me?

Not that I even know or care but I am asking. I just entered.

You know how when you are baking a cake, and you just dump the entire bag of flower into the mix, it fucks up the cake?

That's my argument.

[Botten]

Loramin lecturing people about reality meanwhile he thinks every criticism of illegal immigrants and illegal immigration could only be made by the imaginary racists who he thinks live under every rock and behind every tree. I'm thinking he watches a lot of david pakman and sam seder.

undocumented

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3715358&postcount=171

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

https://i.imgur.com/KqwAgSI.png

Couldn’t help it lol. It was my first thought, and when I’m going on only 4 hours sleep I go with my first thought

https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_nbcnews-fp-1024-512,f_auto,q_auto:best/rockcms/2021-11/211122-jacob-anthony-angeli-chansley-ew-526p-52b676.jpg

[shovelquest]

Men ARE like 10x more likely to be arrested for a violent crime though

We shouldn’t ignore statistics to pad feelings. And no don’t ask me to do race next, we already know where that road goes lol

But it's also absolutely true that races commit crimes at different rates, should we allow drivers to be able to chose who they pick up based on race?

OR should we just increase police budgets, increase incarceration rates, so we all live as equals in society?

I think the latter.

[loramin]

You know how when you are baking a cake, and you just dump the entire bag of flower into the mix, it fucks up the cake?

That's my argument.

Translation: I have a (racist) belief that's core to my identity. It defines who I am.

It doesn't matter how much rational evidence I see that conflicts with that belief: I'll just ignore it, because my ego is fragile and can't handle having any of its core parts questioned.

[Reiwa]

I don't understand your clouded internet infested neckbeard mind mr Xi.

It's a tattoo! I am joking! WW1GWGA

[shovelquest]

Translation: I have a (racist) belief that's core to my identity. It defines who I am.

It doesn't matter how much rational evidence I see that conflicts with that belief: I'll just ignore it, because my ego is fragile and can't handle having any of its core parts questioned.

Stop trying to make fetch happen, it's not gonna happen.

YOU are the racist. You are a disgusting biggot.

It doesn't matter how much rational evidence I see that conflicts with that belief: I'll just ignore it, because my ego is fragile and can't handle having any of its core parts questioned.

You provided 1 biased organization whos literal about is to change the way we think about immigration.

Because you're a virgin dickless man hater.

[Botten]

loramin,

They see fresh meat and see a person the board honors for their work in providing support for p99 (namely the wiki)

They want to drag you down to their level of red thinking.

They have replacement accounts for a reason.

They aren't correct in the head.

[Reiwa]

Translation: I have a (sexist) belief that's core to my identity. It defines who I am.

☝️

[shovelquest]

lThey see fresh meat and see a person the board honors for their work in providing support for p99 (namely the wiki)

Loramin makes personal attacks against people in the GREEN section of the forums.

[Skarne]

It's a tattoo! I am joking! WW1GWGA

alrighty then

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

But it's also absolutely true that races commit crimes at different rates, should we allow drivers to be able to chose who they pick up based on race?

OR should we just increase police budgets, increase incarceration rates, so we all live as equals in society?

I think the latter.

Should we allow drivers to be able to see the race of the rider or driver on the app?

Sure, negative connotations is up to the individual, allowing people to see it has lots of advantages as well. In my work if I’m trying to locate a client in a public place, I absolutely am allowed to ask ahead of time what race they are. And no one is going to be like “EXCUSE ME SIR”…lol

Women can ALREADY discriminate in their drivers and riders because I’m 90% sure uber already records and displays your gender? But it’s been a while since I rode. Even if it doesn’t, if it says your name a lot of women could use that to discriminate

So it’s a moot point, the option to do is already there and up to the user. All that change would do is streamline it and save a user maybe a few minutes having to filter people themselves

[loramin]

loramin,

They see fresh meat and see a person the board honors for their work in providing support for p99 (namely the wiki)

They want to drag you down to their level of red thinking.

They have replacement accounts for a reason.

They aren't correct in the head.

I appreciate the warning :)

I don't want to get suspended, but I have this strong bias for living in reality (and wanting others to also). Still, out of respect for this forum and its moderators, I really shouldn't be arguing "politics" until they lift the ban, so I guess I'll step out.

[shovelquest]

We live in a reality, that all of the sudden, driving is so dangerous that we need to discriminate.

Nice reality. I wonder what happened all of the sudden.

[Reiwa]

Should we allow drivers to be able to see the race of the rider or driver on the app?

Sure, negative connotations is up to the individual, allowing people to see it has lots of advantages as well. In my work if I’m trying to locate a client in a public place, I absolutely am allowed to ask ahead of time what race they are. And no one is going to be like “EXCUSE ME SIR”…lol

Women can ALREADY discriminate in their drivers and riders because I’m 90% sure uber already records and displays your gender? But it’s been a while since I rode. Even if it doesn’t, if it says your name a lot of women could use that to discriminate

So it’s a moot point, the option to do is already there and up to the user. All that change would do is streamline it and save a user maybe a few minutes having to filter people themselves

Even after desegregation individuals were capable of discriminating on their own so that's not an argument for or against it as official policy.

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

OR should we just increase police budgets, increase incarceration rates, so we all live as equals in society?


I missed this part. I also agree with this

But keep in mind women trying to be cautious is to PREVENT that first rape that would in your perfect world get that person put away for good

Would you take one up the ass to get one less psycho off the streets? Or would you rather just avoid that psycho? ;)

[OriginalContentGuy]

You know how when you are baking a cake, and you just dump the entire bag of flower into the mix, it fucks up the cake?

That's my argument.

https://i.imgur.com/KqwAgSI.png

The ability to meme does not guarantee a valid viewpoint. And I am genuinely curious how much you understand about what I see (anonymously) when I read your posts. Though I'll be first to admit this may not be the right venue.

At the end of the day, what stands paramount to me is, will you be willing to alter your own not just opinions, but practices, if and when you are shown something that either makes more sense, just works better, or proves something you're attached to wrong in a way which you understand and agree?

https://i.postimg.cc/RqrZThrb/Untitled-1.jpg

Because if not memes are projection. Mine is meant to satirize yours. Just because you can meme doesn't mean you're right. Respect, me.

[shovelquest]

Well, I am a non immigrant male... so better to discriminate against me just in case.

[OriginalContentGuy]

Well if you don't leave a forwarding address don't expect anyone to try and reach you.

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

The ability to meme does not guarantee a valid viewpoint. And I am genuinely curious how much you understand about what I see (anonymously) when I read your posts. Though I'll be first to admit this may not be the right venue.

At the end of the day, what stands paramount to me is, will you be willing to alter your own not just opinions, but practices, if and when you are shown something that either makes more sense, just works better, or proves something you're attached to wrong in a way which you understand and agree?

https://i.postimg.cc/RqrZThrb/Untitled-1.jpg

Because if not memes are projection. Mine is meant to satirize yours. Just because you can meme doesn't mean you're right. Respect, me.

lol wat?

Am I able to alter my perception if I figure out I was wrong on something?

That’s your first anonymous question? Was that an actual serious question?

No of course not. I go through life repeatedly smashing my head into a wall despite being shown it is doing or thinking the wrong thing

That’s like one of those moronic questions like “would you denounce genocide?”

I’m not going to jump through hoops like a circus monkey answering stupid rhetorical questions from some anonymous bro

[OriginalContentGuy]

There's enough capable minds in this thread I believe I can safely make my exit from this one.

[Ciderpress]

They aren't correct in the head.

Hey I'm not the one who apparently thinks legal mexican immigrants are racist against their own race, because they strongly support deporting illegal mexican immigrants, for the exact same reasons that the supposedly racist people do.

I'd love to hear the tortured logic behind how that's possible. But I'm already flirting with another ban I'm sure..

[OriginalContentGuy]

lol wat?

Am I able to alter my perception if I figure out I was wrong on something?

That’s your first anonymous question? Was that an actual serious question?

No of course not. I go through life repeatedly smashing my head into a wall despite being shown it is doing or thinking the wrong thing

That’s like one of those moronic questions like “would you denounce genocide?”

I’m not going to jump through hoops like a circus monkey answering stupid rhetorical questions from some anonymous bro

1) Wasn't asking you 2) cool

[shovelquest]

At the end of the day, what stands paramount to me is, will you be willing to alter your own not just opinions, but practices, if and when you are shown something that either makes more sense, just works better, or proves something you're attached to wrong in a way which you understand and agree?

Look.

You can insult me.

You can call me a racist.

You can say that Im dangerous because of my skin color.

But your studies, are bullshit. Your theories are crap.

Let me ask you a simple question:

If 40 million people came into the country in the last 8 years.

Do you think that would affect the cost of housing, and the height of wages?

Because in Mexico city, they're protesting about 20,000 immigrants causing that.

[OriginalContentGuy]

Look.

You can insult me.

You can call me a racist.

You can say that Im dangerous because of my skin color.

Yes. I haven't I don't believe but continue.


But your studies, are bullshit. Your theories are crap.

Let me ask you a simple question:

If 40 million people came into the country in the last 8 years.

Do you think that would affect the cost of housing, and the height of wages?

You were replying to me so I'll just say quit assuming I have political beliefs based on.... what evidence? I wanted to know what you were on about so as a matter of respect if you would prefer I not assume things about you on bad facts, do the same or you're wasting my attention.

[shovelquest]

all CNN & MSNBC & NPR ever talks about is how deportations are going to increase the cost of things because they can't pay slaves to do things.

I aint ever heard them say crime is gonna go up as a result. Ever.

[shovelquest]

Yes. I haven't I don't believe but continue.

You were being passive aggressive at least trying to "teach" me about memes.

I consider that an insult, boyo.

[OriginalContentGuy]

Oops stupid me for assuming the poster you quoted with your question was who the question was directed towards

It’s a shame you’re leaving so that we can’t learn more about how forums work from you

Well I was trying to quote Shovelquest. Nor did I realize you were replying to a misquote from me. I apologize truly for any confusion. We all make mistakes. Agree?

People are allowed their initial reactions to events. But if they refuse to yield those first impressions or at least fact check them critically then they're bigots. Call it by any other name.

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

Well I was trying to quote Shovelquest. Nor did I realize you were replying to a misquote from me. I apologize truly for any confusion. We all make mistakes. Agree?

.

Ya no worries then

At work and gotta head out, peace!

[OriginalContentGuy]

You were being passive aggressive at least trying to "teach" me about memes.

I consider that an insult, boyo.

Negative, and I take exception to anyone who claims to know what's going on in my head. In that sense I do discriminate: against fools and wolves.

[Reiwa]

Well I was trying to quote Shovelquest. Nor did I realize you were replying to a misquote from me. I apologize truly for any confusion. We all make mistakes. Agree?

People are allowed their initial reactions to events. But if they refuse to yield those first impressions or at least fact check them critically then they're bigots. Call it by any other name.

If sex bigotry good, race bigotry also good.

Grug think sex bigotry bad.

[shovelquest]

People are allowed their initial reactions to events. But if they refuse to yield those first impressions or at least fact check them critically then they're bigots. Call it by any other name.

How can I fact check anything, when the facts Im arguing against are non-profits, not science based studies?

They literally say things like, "to make Americans love immigration" in their about sections.

Then yall are like, "Undisputed facts!"

Here's an undisputed fact: Nobody on the news has ever argued that increasing deportations is going to increase anything BUT THE COST OF LABOR.

[OriginalContentGuy]

How can I fact check anything, when the facts Im arguing against are non-profits, not science based studies?

They literally say things like, "to make Americans love immigration" in their about sections.

Then yall are like, "Undisputed facts!"

Here's an undisputed fact: Nobody on the news has ever argued that increasing deportations is going to increase anything BUT THE COST OF LABOR.

Yeah and I aint them. That's the key point. Adios

[Reiwa]

Let's try it this way:

If your driver is an illegal alien, do you think to yourself, "I feel very safe because this person is not a citizen."

Or is that completely ridiculous?

[shovelquest]

I am way more concerned about drivers being robbed by people who are unable to find work because someone who previously lived in a house with no roof came in and took all the jobs because they're willing to work 16 hours a day for less than min wage (if the owner decides to stiff them for hours) because there is literally nothing they can do to protect themselves against theft because they snuck in here illegally.

But fuck me for being a racist for being concerned about that amight?

[OriginalContentGuy]

I came back to say absolutely not and if that's your genuine concern then it tells me you're sensible in a way not everyone is. I won't prejudge you nor demonize you based on what you said.

[atomicpaul]

just wanted to say that Sex Bigots sounds like a great band in a shitty bar

[shovelquest]

I came back to say absolutely not and if that's your genuine concern then it tells me you're sensible in a way not everyone is. I won't prejudge you nor demonize you based on what you said.

Thanks bro. You and I are on the same side, but people who eat cookies have tried to make us fight each other

(thats a call back to a meme that is normally targeted at me for complaining about mas illegal immigration).

:o

[atomicpaul]

i think it's funny that you said mas illegal immigration. maximo illegal immigration, por favor. puedo sacar punta a mi lapiz.

my spanish is bad

[shovelquest]

i think it's funny that you said mas illegal immigration. maximo illegal immigration, por favor. puedo sacar punta a mi lapiz.

my spanish is bad

Mas patrulla fronteriza, por favor.

[Ciderpress]

Let's try it this way:

If your driver is an illegal alien, do you think to yourself, "I feel very safe because this person is not a citizen."

Or is that completely ridiculous?

Well see, when you add up the total amount of money men and women make, they aren't the exact same number. So that means women are being unfairly discriminated against, because The Statistics clearly bear this out and no further analysis is required, and if you dispute this it means you hate women. Sorry you don't wanna live in reality.

Sincerely, a guy from 2011.

[atomicpaul]

consider any problems you might have with feminism in the context of a first date

[Reiwa]

Lucky for me the White Citizens Councils never had the power of consensus on their side!

[shovelquest]

Well see, when you add up the total amount of money men and women make, they aren't the exact same number. So that means women are being unfairly discriminated against, because The Statistics clearly bear this out and no further analysis is required, and if you dispute this it means you hate women. Sorry you don't wanna live in reality.

Sincerely, a guy from 2011.

I mean if we have to setup a whole program where men cant even use uber so women can have jobs, then does it make sense they should be paid the same as men?

[atomicpaul]

obviously, it leads to requiring a given uber user to upload photos of their own genitals when requesting a ride.

[shovelquest]

Uber drivers in 2030.

fzVp0Jz-p20

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

obviously, it leads to requiring a given uber user to upload photos of their own genitals when requesting a ride.

If each person had to provide a pic of themselves naked and their bank account contents dating would be a helluva lot different, I’ll say that

[arvidez]

didnt trump say this? pointed out the shocking number of rapes that illegal immigration facilitates. i bet that gal with the stats doesnt like this thought.

i saw this uber service on bojack. dont remember why it failed

[shovelquest]

As of May 2024, approximately 291,000 unaccompanied minors had not received a Notice to Appear (NTA) in immigration court, and an additional 32,000 had received an NTA but failed to attend their hearings . These figures suggest that over 320,000 children are currently unaccounted for in the immigration system.

These children are not necessarily "missing" in the traditional sense. Rather, they are often placed with sponsors—typically family members or other adults—without sufficient vetting or follow-up.

No reason to even be concerned.

The sponsor:

https://i.imgur.com/rI99tWP.jpeg

[Reiwa]

I can understand vocal compliance as a strategy.

If I make myself small and non-threatening this mountain lion won't think I'm challenging it and attack me.

[atomicpaul]

i saw that work with a possum and a dog once

[shovelquest]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amazing/comments/1m8am98/defensive_posturing_from_a_wild_hamster/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

https://i.imgur.com/INyjmzu.png

[atomicpaul]

i love hamsters. had so many when i was a kid, but if i had them now they'd just get murdered by my cats, that would be cruel.

i read somewhere they are the most aggressive rodents on earth, that kinda checks out. we had one named mad max when i was little, that little fucker was a biter.

[shovelquest]

that poor thing must be so stressed trying to fight a blue whale.

[Reiwa]

https://i.imgur.com/uufMbPS.png

[arvidez]

whats with the riots in essex? can uk talk about it online without fear of arrest? i will take your silence as a no.

[Reiwa]

whats with the riots in essex? can uk talk about it online without fear of arrest? i will take your silence as a no.

Well I probably can't say "Koochie Klux Klan" on here either, but that's neither here nor there.

[shovelquest]

Tea App.

Can we get a F's on the first date app?

[Duik]

Well, I am a non immigrant male... so better to discriminate against me just in case.

So you are a native american indian then̈?

[shovelquest]

Shutup and go back to the prison in the UK whence you came.

[Duik]

Are you certain about that Captain Clueless?

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

Tea App.

Can we get a F's on the first date app?

What’s funny with this is that I’ve never had a disaster of a date. Having worked so long in behavioral health, I almost want one just because I would be in a great position to handle it

But honestly this Tea app is also playing into an evolving stereotype that is fed hard by social media video and story virality. “Normal” dates don’t go viral. Only Disaster Dates do. I’m talking dates that go so wrong someone just throws their napkin down and leaves, or worse. Cops get called, property gets destroyed, people get hurt

I would say that most well-adjusted people could go their entire lives without ever experiencing a date like that

I don’t care if women want to use some app to try to avoid these dates, and maybe if they live in a sketchy area it might be more important. But I think that women just like men, are being conditioned by social media to believe that the world is full of crazy weirdos that are going to just lose their shit on them and it’s not the case. That’s just because those are the only videos and stories interesting enough to talk about on social media. And so because it’s all they hear about, they believe it’s a lot more common than it is

[Ciderpress]

That app is so ripe for abuse. I wonder how defamation laws might apply to it?

Break it off with a girl in a totally mature and unscandalous way because you don't really click? She can say anything she wants about you on that app and there's really no way to confirm or deny what she's saying in the public mind. It's like a whole new avenue for false misconduct allegations.

[Reiwa]

That app is so ripe for abuse. I wonder how defamation laws might apply to it?

Break it off with a girl in a totally mature and unscandalous way because you don't really click? She can say anything she wants about you on that app and there's really no way to confirm or deny what she's saying in the public mind. It's like a whole new avenue for false misconduct allegations.

Reminds me of the Covid snitch list

[shovelquest]

Man covid was a fuckn funny time to be alive.

[Ciderpress]

It really was complete insanity. Or more like a mixture of insanity and stupidity.

The flu is like 80% as dangerous as covid, and is actually more dangerous for kids and healthy people than covid, but nobody ever acted like the sky was falling because you aren't wearing your "flu mask" when you go to the store. I understand the hysteria at the beginning, but after like August of 2020 it was just ridiculous to still be behaving that way.

[shovelquest]

It really was complete insanity. Or more like a mixture of insanity and stupidity.

The flu is like 80% as dangerous as covid, and is actually more dangerous for kids and healthy people than covid, but nobody ever acted like the sky was falling because you aren't wearing your "flu mask" when you go to the store. I understand the hysteria at the beginning, but after like August of 2020 it was just ridiculous to still be behaving that way.

Yeah looking back its funny how unhinged we all were.

I was all in on masks.

"j-j-j-just weart a mask p-p-pleeeeeease!!!!! STOP BEING RUDE!!!!"
-me

lmao for what, to avoid a cold.

I heard when you had to get intubated they basically were like, "fuck em kill em and give the bed to the next patient" and they would have been fine if they were never even intubated.

[Reiwa]

Yeah looking back its funny how unhinged we all were.

I was all in on masks.

"j-j-j-just weart a mask p-p-pleeeeeease!!!!! STOP BEING RUDE!!!!"
-me

lmao for what, to avoid a cold.

I heard when you had to get intubated they basically were like, "fuck em kill em and give the bed to the next patient" and they would have been fine if they were never even intubated.

I masked longer than most but not because I thought it protected me from others but the opposite.

Haven't made one of these in awhile, remind me in a year to stumble through the WONDER tool for 2024. It's trending in the right direction.

https://i.imgur.com/M8WVvYr.png

[shovelquest]

I masked longer than most but not because I thought it protected me from others but the opposite.

I was yearning for the Victorian days when i could cast aspersions at people who did not obey the social responsibilities and have them clad by the thumbs in shackles!

[Reiwa]

https://i.imgur.com/mFkxEvL.png

[zelld52]

It really was complete insanity. Or more like a mixture of insanity and stupidity.

The flu is like 80% as dangerous as covid, and is actually more dangerous for kids and healthy people than covid, but nobody ever acted like the sky was falling because you aren't wearing your "flu mask" when you go to the store. I understand the hysteria at the beginning, but after like August of 2020 it was just ridiculous to still be behaving that way.

Yeah I remember all the deaths from the Flu each year. It's crazy how many healthy people die from the flu each year.


/s

[zelld52]

lmao for what, to avoid a cold.



Shit-takes like this prove you never had anyone in your life get really bad Covid.

My coworker, a healthy 45 year old man who is physically fit and eats an extremely healthy diet was on his fucking deathbed from Covid. This guy was the pinnacle of health. He never fully recovered - still experiences the brain fog, trouble breathing and lack of energy to this day.

This was very early on, maybe June 2020 when this happened. There are so many stories of people like him. It didn't just kill the feeble elderly people.

[shovelquest]

Yeah I remember all the deaths from the Flu each year. It's crazy how many healthy people die from the flu each year.


/s

In the United States, annual COVID-19 with provisional data showing 76,446 deaths a year since 2019

The flu between 2017–2018 accounts for 52,000 deaths a year.

https://i.imgur.com/v2pEDaH.png

[zelld52]

Uber announces new safety feature (https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/uber-announces-feature-allowing-women-select-female-preference-riders-drivers)



The content of my character doesn't feel very seen when I'm discriminated against based on my immutable characteristics. :eek:

Poor fucking you. How many times have you felt in danger around a man? Do you have a wife? Daughters?

[zelld52]

In the United States, annual COVID-19 with provisional data showing 76,446 deaths a year since 2019

The flu between 2017–2018 accounts for 52,000 deaths a year.

https://i.imgur.com/v2pEDaH.png

Bro there were freezer trucks outside the hospitals because the fucking morgue was full in NYC.

My best friend was an ICU nurse during the start of the pandemic. Multiple times a week he had to hold up an iPad so that family members could say their goodbyes to someone with Covid.

The first death from covid in NYC was a healthy 39 year old.

The reason deaths went down is the vaccines came out.

[shovelquest]

yeah, we were all unnecessarily freaking out and killing people with dark age quality healthcare.

https://i.imgur.com/TfYmrSO.png

[Reiwa]

Poor fucking you. How many times have you felt in danger around a man? Do you have a wife? Daughters?

I've never felt in danger from anyone different from me.

[zelld52]

In the United States, annual COVID-19 with provisional data showing 76,446 deaths a year since 2019

The flu between 2017–2018 accounts for 52,000 deaths a year.

https://i.imgur.com/v2pEDaH.png

15,000 people died in April 2020 in NYC from Covid. In the first few days of the pandemic thousands of people died every day in NYC because of Covid. If it weren't for lockdowns many, many, many more would have died.

[zelld52]

There were freezer trucks because intubating people was not necessary and literally what was killing them.

You know because youre a physician that worked in hospitals during Covid?

No you're a forum shitposter.

[Xer0]

Shit-takes like this prove you never had anyone in your life get really bad Covid.

My coworker, a healthy 45 year old man who is physically fit and eats an extremely healthy diet was on his fucking deathbed from Covid. This guy was the pinnacle of health. He never fully recovered - still experiences the brain fog, trouble breathing and lack of energy to this day.

This was very early on, maybe June 2020 when this happened. There are so many stories of people like him. It didn't just kill the feeble elderly people.

If he lives today, it wasn't his deathbed.

meanwhile in 2020 when I got covid, I was the picture of poor self-care and a lack of physical fitness.. and covid, to me, was just a really bad cough, sore throat and congestion lol

[shovelquest]

The first death from covid in NYC was a healthy 39 year old.


No, this claim is not true. The first confirmed COVID-19 death in New York City occurred on March 13, 2020, when an 82-year-old woman with advanced emphysema succumbed to complications from the virus at Wyckoff Heights Medical Center in Brooklyn.

https://time.com/5803182/new-york-coronavirus-death/

You ever wonder if maybe all the other facts that made you come to the conclusion that covid was a death sentence are equally as false? I know they are now.

[Ekco]

https://i.imgur.com/37x6QcI.jpeg

[zelld52]

If he lives today, it wasn't his deathbed.

meanwhile in 2020 when I got covid, I was the picture of poor self-care and a lack of physical fitness.. and covid, to me, was just a really bad cough, sore throat and congestion lol

He was in a coma. His family was prepared for his death. Everybody in the office came to grips with losing this guy as a friend and colleague. He made a miraculous recovery, but like I said - he never fully recovered.

[zelld52]

No, this claim is not true. The first confirmed COVID-19 death in New York City occurred on March 13, 2020, when an 82-year-old woman with advanced emphysema succumbed to complications from the virus at Wyckoff Heights Medical Center in Brooklyn.

https://time.com/5803182/new-york-coronavirus-death/

You ever wonder if maybe all the other facts that made you come to the conclusion that covid was a death sentence are equally as false? I know they are now.

Jump off a tall bridge. You are a troll, and you have a negative impact on society.

[shovelquest]

Lmao "kill yourself, your kind makes society worse."

Nice society you have there.

[zelld52]

Oh and go fuck yourself. Ban me from these forums I don't give a shit, I don't want to associate with people who can be swayed by podcasters YouTubers and stand up comics

[shovelquest]

I gave you a time article, and you gave me a fact that was wrong.

Nobody needs to be banned.

This is why you have this issue.

Youre like, "I got covid? KILL ME" ... "I disagree with you about a cold, kill yourself and ban me!"

Don't be so extreme :o I like you, zeld52.

[shovelquest]

You know because youre a physician that worked in hospitals during Covid?

"physicians"

This isnt the type of work ethic that indicates intelligence and care:

Just replace doctors with AI already please this soviet union shit has got 2 go.

"interesting" jesuis christ i hate redditors.

https://i.imgur.com/62ekUGV.png

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

Lotta people have died to flu

Lotta people have died to covid

/shrug

Sometimes the body can take a tremendous amount of punishment, just look at what homeless drug addicts do to their bodies and sometimes they keep on kicking

Or sometimes a stiff breeze kills a healthy person. But just because a healthy person can suddenly have a heart attack or aneurysm or whatever and die isn’t a reason to not take care of oneself or take precautions during a pandemic though, that’s just careless nihilism at that point

[shovelquest]

Covid for sure for me felt worse than any flu I had, but I also have horrendous flu reactions so I try not to get sick in general.

I too still fear covid like it's the plague, but am also extremely sad it was not the plague and we all got to go back outside.

[Ciderpress]

Oh and go fuck yourself. Ban me from these forums I don't give a shit, I don't want to associate with people who can be swayed by podcasters YouTubers and stand up comics

This is a classic appeal to authority logical fallacy. What is true or false does not depend on who is making the claim, it depends on what they're claiming.

[Ciderpress]

I've made this point a million times but I'm happy to make it again:

The flu kills lots of immunocompromised people, just like covid. Children are actually more at risk of serious illness from the flu than covid, which remarkably, barely affects most children. The method of transmission is essentially identical, the average morbidity is roughly the same.

Why has there never been a push to make everyone wear shitty loose-fitting masks during flu season? Don't you want to save grandma? A good honest response to this question would sound something like: "You know what? Ciderpress, you're right. We SHOULD have been wearing masks all this time, prior to covid, simply to protect against the flu. We were foolish not to, but going forward I will now don both my covid mask and my flu mask.".

I never get that response though, weirdly.

[Ekco]

Why has there never been a push to make everyone wear shitty loose-fitting masks during flu season? Don't you want to save grandma? A good honest response to this question would sound something like: "You know what? Ciderpress, you're right. We SHOULD have been wearing masks all this time, prior to covid, simply to protect against the flu. We were foolish not to, but going forward I will now don both my covid mask and my flu mask.".

I never get that response though, weirdly.

people like to conveniently forget it was a butt of cultural jokes towards asian people for like 15-20 years prior in media also

https://i.makeagif.com/media/6-11-2025/crH7qy.gif


i remember seeing it as a germaphobia joke in sitcoms prior also like "wtf, you howie mandel or something, why you're wearing a mask?"

[shovelquest]

Idk I thought that guy was "cool" back then because he went against the system and wore a mask to avoid getting sick, like the intelligent and respectful Asians.

I however wore a mask to the airport and got covid while my traveling partner wore no mask and didn't gaf and hung out in bars at the airport did not.

So I gave up wearing masks.

[Reiwa]

I've made this point a million times but I'm happy to make it again:

The flu kills lots of immunocompromised people, just like covid. Children are actually more at risk of serious illness from the flu than covid, which remarkably, barely affects most children. The method of transmission is essentially identical, the average morbidity is roughly the same.

Why has there never been a push to make everyone wear shitty loose-fitting masks during flu season? Don't you want to save grandma? A good honest response to this question would sound something like: "You know what? Ciderpress, you're right. We SHOULD have been wearing masks all this time, prior to covid, simply to protect against the flu. We were foolish not to, but going forward I will now don both my covid mask and my flu mask.".

I never get that response though, weirdly.

I've never gotten a clear answer on why I shouldn't wear a 5% effective mask, or a 10% effective mask. And so on in that fashion until everyone is eaten.

[Botten]

As usual Ciderpress or Ooloo you are very wrong.

Children are actually more at risk of serious illness from the flu than covid, which remarkably, barely affects most children. The method of transmission is essentially identical, the average morbidity is roughly the same.

On the morbidity rate for children when considering flu vs Covid you are wrong.
NOTE: I know nothing I write will make you believe this so take your own statement and throw it through your favorite AI and learn something. If value statistics and studies here - https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/pediatrics/articles/10.3389/fped.2023.1261046/full

But in case you don't bother I am going to give you a scientific answer because your claim to be an expertise from your "feelings on the matter," mean absolutely nothing.

Journal of Travel Medicine in March 2020 by Ying Liu et al., titled "The reproductive number of COVID-19 is higher compared to SARS coronavirus, 12 studies showed that the reproductive number (R0​) for the initial strains of SARS-CoV-2 was higher than that of the seasonal flu, meaning a single infected person was likely to spread the virus to more people. This rapid spread was a major driver for public health measures like masking."


Why has there never been a push to make everyone wear shitty loose-fitting masks during flu season? Don't you want to save grandma? A good honest response to this question would sound something like: "You know what? Ciderpress, you're right. We SHOULD have been wearing masks all this time, prior to covid, simply to protect against the flu. We were foolish not to, but going forward I will now don both my covid mask and my flu mask.".

I never get that response though, weirdly.

On the subject of masks.
Without offending anyone masks are popular in east asia since a person's identity is more closely tied to their role within the group while western individualism & personal liberty is valued over a more collectivist approach to community responsibility.

Either way source control, is crucial for contagious viruses when dealing with a high rate of asymptomatic transmission.

[Ekco]

whatever the morbidity rate of kids is, i think scientifically everyone is in agreement keeping them home was a mistake cause that damaged 100% of them so the other number only matters in academic situations

[Ciderpress]

As usual Ciderpress or Ooloo you are very wrong.


That's fantastic Botten. I didn't say the flu is more dangerous or as dangerous, just similarly dangerous. So even if I'm generous and say the flu is only 40% as dangerous (which it's way higher than), we should still have been wearing masks at least 40% as often, all those many decades prior to covid. Yet we didn't. At best, during flu seasons people say "hey watch out for that flu going around!" and everyone goes okay I will! So this either betrays an irrational fear of covid, or a naive ambivalence toward the flu. Which is it? They both kill grandma after all.

[Ciderpress]

There is also of course the question of methodology. Covid in it's most dangerous forms only existed for about a year. The flu and all of it's variants have existed for decades. The collective understanding of their relative risk to society are not even close to the same quality. Covid has a much smaller data set, and for that reason is guaranteed to have a much worse signal to noise ratio when it comes to predictive potential and policy making.

The fact that essentially everyone who still wears a mask has a predictable political lean should be a massive red flag that this entire debate is hardly about science or biology anymore, and really never was.

[shovelquest]

That feeling when you realize you live in one of the many stupid dark ages and periods of history nobody really cares about while they breeze through history class.

[Reiwa]

That's fantastic Botten. I didn't say the flu is more dangerous or as dangerous, just similarly dangerous. So even if I'm generous and say the flu is only 40% as dangerous (which it's way higher than), we should still have been wearing masks at least 40% as often, all those many decades prior to covid. Yet we didn't. At best, during flu seasons people say "hey watch out for that flu going around!" and everyone goes okay I will! So this either betrays an irrational fear of covid, or a naive ambivalence toward the flu. Which is it? They both kill grandma after all.

40% of which type of dangerous? Botten did say Covid fucks like 12 bunny rabbits.

[Botten]

There is also of course the question of methodology. Covid in it's most dangerous forms only existed for about a year. The flu and all of it's variants have existed for decades. The collective understanding of their relative risk to society are not even close to the same quality. Covid has a much smaller data set, and for that reason is guaranteed to have a much worse signal to noise ratio when it comes to predictive potential and policy making.

The fact that essentially everyone who still wears a mask has a predictable political lean should be a massive red flag that this entire debate is hardly about science or biology anymore, and really never was.

and he keeps putting his foot in his mouth.

SARS-CoV-1 was identified in 2003 and was the same type virus but less contagious. Slightly more fatal thou.

SARS-CoV-2 was identified in 2019 and was a little more contagious.

In fact both had angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2; to enter human cells.

And ... yeah this virus type was first seen in chickens in 1920 in America.

And ... Human Coronavirus OC43 and Human Coronavirus 229E viruses was identified in 1960

And... HCoV-OC43 was mostly associated with the Russian flu pandemic of 1889-1890

... please just stop with your fed propaganda.

[Botten]

40% of which type of dangerous? Botten did say Covid fucks like 12 bunny rabbits.

Why did you tease me with a private message but I can't tease back?

Do I not quicken you anymore?

This makes me a sad rabbit...

[Reiwa]

Why did you tease me with a private message but I can't tease back?

Do I not quicken you anymore?

This makes me a sad rabbit...

Just wanted to leave you a note without it becoming a thing.

Anyway this flu masking thing reminds me: the next time this country gets invaded, I'm going to beatup my neighbor.

[Botten]

Just wanted to leave you a note without it becoming a thing.

Anyway this flu masking thing reminds me: the next time this country gets invaded, I'm going to beatup my neighbor.

o.O

eh, what's that aboot

[shovelquest]

I'm gonna beat up mine too.

[atomicpaul]

I've made this point a million times but I'm happy to make it again:

The flu kills lots of immunocompromised people, just like covid. Children are actually more at risk of serious illness from the flu than covid, which remarkably, barely affects most children. The method of transmission is essentially identical, the average morbidity is roughly the same.

Why has there never been a push to make everyone wear shitty loose-fitting masks during flu season? Don't you want to save grandma? A good honest response to this question would sound something like: "You know what? Ciderpress, you're right. We SHOULD have been wearing masks all this time, prior to covid, simply to protect against the flu. We were foolish not to, but going forward I will now don both my covid mask and my flu mask.".

I never get that response though, weirdly.That's because you're seeking affirmation, to be told you're right, but nobody outside of you cares about it. I get it, I also like feeling vindicated when my hunches are correct. But you can't go back and nobody else lives inside of your head

I do find it ironic that the 'i will do anything for my country' crowd who obstinately refused to wear masks for their country have now donned masks and work for ICE... it's vindicating to know they were full of shit the entire time... but what do I do with this vindication? Nothing

[Tann]

it's all about owning the libs, whether it's no masks "my body my choice" during covid or wearing them now to cosplay as the Gestapo

[Ekco]

jokes on them, getting owned by daddy government is my kink. Whether it's the libs or the christian nationalists i win no matter what.

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

Covid is not likely to go away anytime soon, I keep hearing about new strains. There is always that chance though eventually it could mutate itself into less virulence and then fizzle out completely

I will say I haven’t hugged or touched my grandma since 2020 despite seeing her nearly every single Sunday since then for 3-4 hours for Church and lunch

[Reiwa]

it's all about owning the libs, whether it's no masks "my body my choice" during covid or wearing them now to cosplay as the Gestapo

Well they are wearing it for protection. :p

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

Well they are wearing it for protection. :p

Ya police in Mexico do the same thing when arresting cartel bosses

Except here in America it would be crazed people of a particular political party going to their homes rather than siccario’s (safer, but more annoying)

[shovelquest]

it's all about owning the libs, whether it's no masks "my body my choice" during covid or wearing them now to cosplay as the Gestapo

Bold of you to say we’re cosplaying….

[shovelquest]

Ya police in Mexico do the same thing when arresting cartel bosses

Except here in America it would be crazed people of a particular political party going to their homes rather than siccario’s (safer, but more annoying)

If we’re worried about like bad actors, impersonating them and kidnapping or committing crimes, then what we should do is make a special suit that they wear that is really hard to replicate by strangers. I don’t know. I’m thinking something like white and plastic with like a white helmet with like black eyes and like a lot of white and black basically on it.

And blasters. They should have blasters. Not guns.

Do I have to spell it out? I’m talking about storm troopers. I want to see storm troops.

Now that’s cosplay pod racing!

[Tann]

get Ian McDiarmid on the phone, I'm sure if you give him enough money he'll run for office dressed like Palpatine. Can't be any worse than our current timeline.

[Reiwa]

get Ian McDiarmid on the phone, I'm sure if you give him enough money he'll run for office dressed like Palpatine. Can't be any worse than our current timeline.

it's a re-run though.

https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-we-re-an-empire-now-and-when-we-act-we-create-our-own-reality-and-while-you-re-studying-karl-rove-64-63-73.jpg

[shovelquest]

Lets build a big dome in DC.

[Reiwa]

Keep women out of men's spaces (https://www.wgbh.org/culture/books/2024-10-14/melissa-ludtke-details-her-barrier-breaking-legal-fight-in-locker-room-talk)

https://i.imgur.com/jui62w1.png

https://i.imgur.com/j5A5ILT.png

[shovelquest]

Im starting to think I'd prefer sharia law.

[Ekco]

ight, she does look like Kathy Bates... butt, she work(ed) for espn, put your fucking pants on and let the lady interview you.

[shovelquest]

ight, she does look like Kathy Bates... butt, she work(ed) for espn, put your fucking pants on and let the lady interview you.

no, pants are for church.

listen to this guy "have no fun and let's be boring"

butt

[Reiwa]

Im starting to think I'd prefer sharia law.

Enough to make loramin give battle? Unlikely.

Ontologically correct? I don't know that word ask someone else.

[Ekco]

the decision to make pants an optional ornament is a truly ornery one. This entire thread is an ornate philosophical debate, but your preference for Sharia law while refusing to wear pants creates a very real ontological paradox.

[shovelquest]

If I cant take my pants off no one can.

[OriginalContentGuy]

Oh yah like you have pants.

[shovelquest]

I do and they even have pockets.

[OriginalContentGuy]

That's a skin tag you scumbag

[shovelquest]

PMS

[OriginalContentGuy]

Look don't get so defensive I like you but there's no need to get hysterical

[shovelquest]

k

[OriginalContentGuy]

Ekco what's your opinion on this?

[Ekco]

the asteroid needs to hurry.

[shovelquest]

the asteroid needs to hurry.

a (men)

[OriginalContentGuy]

Posting in a Reiwa thread without being duckrolled except by the guy above me.

[Ekco]

Reiwa's ability to make other people habitual line step into the pentalty box from arguments is truly awe inspiring.

[shovelquest]

:o happy labor day weekend (gentlemen)

[atomicpaul]

Reiwa's ability to make other people habitual line step into the pentalty box from arguments is truly awe inspiring.and yet i bet he struggles to order at chipotle without referencing a wikipedia article on the great chicken-pork debate of monterrey, mexico in 1923 during which napoleon the third was a guest judge despite being dead, as described by the pope at the time

[Reiwa]

and yet i bet he struggles to order at chipotle without referencing a wikipedia article on the great chicken-pork debate of monterrey, mexico in 1923 during which napoleon the third was a guest judge despite being dead, as described by the pope at the time

Not today, commie! Can't ruin my mood when the Bolivarian republic is about to fall. :)

[atomicpaul]

I'm just giving you shit, I hope chipotle isnt open today

[shovelquest]

Sounds like a religious holiday.

[Reiwa]

Do aliens have to pay taxes to the police department?

[Reiwa]

Male Drivers Have Filed A Gender Discrimination Lawsuit Against Rideshare Apps (https://www.forbes.com/sites/janicegassam/2025/11/19/male-drivers-have-filed-a-gender-discrimination-lawsuit-against-rideshare-apps-heres-what-to-know/)

Male drivers for Uber and Lyft have claimed gender discrimination and are suing the rideshare companies because of a feature in the rideshare apps that allows women to request non-male drivers.

Interesting test for whether segregation will fly in the digital age. Separate but equal never is.