The absolute state of AI results.

[sammoHung]

Saw Cazel up yesterday, and have never killed him. I logged to my necro, and ran from EC to Oasis ready to be the hero of the lowbies.

For some reason, I had it in my mind that Cazel was immune to fear - so I took some time to strategize. I pulled open Google.com and searched "necro solo cazel p99". This is what the AI overview spit out:

Solo tactics for Necromancers
Cazel is a level 51 mob who is snareable, fearable, and slowable, making him vulnerable to standard Necromancer crowd-control tactics.

Oh, perfect! Standard fear-kite then. I was curious though, so I read on...

Fear kiting
This is the most common solo strategy and leverages the Necromancer's full toolkit.
Pull and position. Pull Cazel to a clear area of Greater Faydark to begin the kite. Ensure you have room to maneuver without pulling other mobs.


Wait... what?

Snare and fear. Apply a snare spell like Clinging Darkness to prevent Cazel from outrunning you, then cast Screaming Terror to fear him. Cazel is a level 51 mob, so a level 50+ Necromancer should land fear reliably.

Uhhhhh....

Apply damage over time (DoTs). Once Cazel is running, apply your full stack of mana-efficient DoTs. Ignite Bones is a strong option.

Ummmmm..

Mana efficiency: Necromancers can be very mana-efficient soloists. Use your passive mana regeneration spells like Leech and Siphon Life along with Feign Death and your ability to med while sitting.

0 for 4 here, AI overview - what gives? It went on to describe sending a pet in to conserve mana, and Cazel fleeing. Ok.. but... then it had another section..

This strategy is an alternative that allows you to use a charmed NPC as a damage shield against Cazel.
Prep the vendors. In the area where Cazel roams, find the vendors and root two of them close together.
Lure Cazel. Pull Cazel and charm him using an undead charm spell.
Use charmed Cazel. Send your charmed Cazel to attack the two rooted vendors. Their combined damage output can overcome Cazel's innate regeneration.

I typically search on google -ai to avoid shit like this - but good lord. This is the cutting edge AI software that Google is so eager to roll out. It got just about every detail wrong in this overview. Luckily for me, a seasoned EQ player - I saw all the discrepancies.... but...

What if this was, let's say: wrong info about the Heimlich maneuver? Wrong info about managing accidental poison ingestion... Or, maybe somebody with an important job in safety Googles a how-to, and get's this AI overview as a response...

Are we cooked? I think we're cooked.

[Ekco]

i asked Google's Gemini to write me up a solo guide for my 52 pally, explicitly told it just pull in info from project1999.com forum posts, ignore info from live

thing came up with galaxy brain suggestions like i should camp Maestro in hate and it hallucinationed spells that don't exist and that paladins can cast enchanter spells

it seems uniquely and consistently terrible at giving eq advice for some reason, i assume it was too niche a subject, the data it trained on from p99/eq subreddits werent sufficent enough? unsure i did corrected it about paladin spells and stuff so hopefully were fixing it slowly

[loramin]

i asked Google's Gemini to write me up a solo guide for my 52 pally, explicitly told it just pull in info from project1999.com forum posts, ignore info from live

thing came up with galaxy brain suggestions like i should camp Maestro in hate and it hallucinationed spells that don't exist and that paladins can cast enchanter spells

it seems uniquely and consistently terrible at giving eq advice for some reason, i assume it was too niche a subject, the data it trained on from p99/eq subreddits werent sufficent enough? unsure i did corrected it about paladin spells and stuff so hopefully were fixing it slowly

LLMs are only good with stuff lots of people write. EQ, and specifically P99 EQ, has an order of magnitude of thousands of players. Between this forum and Reddit we generate a lot of writing about P99, but not enough to properly "teach" the AI.

I bet if you ask it questions about Fortnight or WoW it does a lot better.

[shovelquest]

The thing is people think AI reads everything ever written and then writes stuff.

It doesnt.

That would melt the planet in terms of power usage.

It grabs a small sections of saved data, and a searches (like from a google) and reads those webpages, and then spits out an answer.

There are some basic "algortythms" that are written by programmers who went to boot camps in the 2010s to write algorithms for social media.

Those programmers guess the best sources and ways for for their application to search and feed the AI information to read.

Which is why you get shitty results now. Even chat GPT 3 looked at a larger pool of text than chat gpt 4 or 5.

Ai could give you the right answers, but it is not cost effective to do that, so it's just clippy now.

The old saying, you use 10% of your brain, well we use 0.000001% of AI's.

[shovelquest]

Also anyone who was afraid of AI or thought we should ban it should appologize.

They should say:

Wow. I really over reacted. It turns out it was just a tool, and not un-like any other technological advancement that came before it.

I really freaked out and thought the devil was going to remove poetry from earth and make humans all kill themselves out of depression.

I don't know what came over me, I apologize to all the people who were enjoying this new human invention.

They are not clanker loving fascists that work for satan and want to consume the human soul after all.

[Ekco]

Also anyone who was afraid of AI or thought we should ban it should appologize.


never admitting you were wrong is apparently a very strong evolutionary trait

not only weren't they wrong, but they knew it all along, you see.

[shovelquest]

never admitting you were wrong is apparently a very strong evolutionary trait

not only weren't they wrong, but they knew it all along, you see.

At least I know I’m above them.

I was wrong.

Wrong thinking they would learn and grow.

[atomicpaul]

yeah but i have an aversion to pissing upwind

[Ekco]

Which is why you get shitty results now. Even chat GPT 3 looked at a larger pool of text than chat gpt 4 or 5.


yeah with apparently people saying "thanks" costing millions they're obviously trying to reign in the compute costs and i assume that the way these neural net black boxes work trying to find the sweet spot between the thing actually giving the answer wanted but also being cheap enough to run at scale for profit is prolly impossible lol

"Whoops, anyway let's pivot to quantum computing and spend money on that now" - insane CEO man

[shovelquest]

"Whoops, anyway let's pivot to quantum computing and spend money on that now" - insane CEO man

It's crazy that the entire human species is waiting for 1 anomalous mutated brain to grow up, follow a path that leads to, and has the drive to come up with the solution.

Like, we're tribal species, so we think it's a "we" thing. But there's been 1 shakesphere in 2000 years.

There's been 1 einstein since the invention of mathmatics.

There's been 1 steve jobs and we use 1 phone that everyone else copies.

its just crazy to me that all of our futures, the direction our entire species goes, is contingent on some 3 year old not getting run over by a bus and inventing a process that we decide we can't live without or changes the way we do everything.

[Ekco]

It's crazy that the entire human species is waiting for 1 anomalous mutated brain to grow up, follow a path that leads to, and has the drive to come up with the solution.

Like, we're tribal species, so we think it's a "we" thing. But there's been 1 shakesphere in 2000 years.

There's been 1 einstein since the invention of mathmatics.

There's been 1 steve jobs and we use 1 phone that everyone else copies.

its just crazy to me that all of our futures, the direction our entire species goes, is contingent on some 3 year old not getting run over by a bus and inventing a process that we decide we can't live without or changes the way we do everything.

that + simulation theory is pretty funny.

we're just matrix pod people in a computer running on some infinite monkey theorem shakespeare shit in hopes one of us figures the thing out that the "people" running the simulation are after.

that's why i say fuck math and play everquest instead, i ain't gonna help the alien/machine/other humans(?) find their car keys, fuck them.

[shovelquest]

At least now that people are getting over their religious fit about Ai being the devil, video games can use it and we can get sick ass deeply interactive cities in roleplaying games and experience the drama of crushing an NPCs in game soul by executing his in game family in front of him just to make a point.

[Ekco]

having AI in GTA 7? i assume break the fourth wall and start screaming and crying they're sentient beings why are you doing this to me is gonna be quite the thing to have exist.

gonna be like that comical scene in robocop 2 with the fucked up robocops.

dude just gonna turn to camera and say, "yeah we still got some bugs to work out with the conversational AI going off the rails, we're pretty sure they aren't actually sentient also, we hope."

[branamil]

I feel like there's a mass delusion going on that AI is useful. It's Microsoft Clippy with lipstick on.

[shovelquest]

It is extremely useful, I've had it walk me through lots of things that I had no idea how to do.

It cant do things for us on its own, but you can help each other do things very well.

I suppose it's about what I always wanted Clippy to actually be :p

[Ekco]

I feel like there's a mass delusion going on that AI is useful. It's Microsoft Clippy with lipstick on.

there's mass delusion on both sides, people with the artistic ability of a retarded kindergartener calling everything slop and inventing new slurs and on the other end where people are saying it's their best friend/lover/therapist or God.

at least the ceo bullshiting about how useful it's going to be is doing so because his literal job depends on it lol and the longer that lie goes the more time he has to dump stock.

reality is in the middle somewhere.

it's going to eliminate jobs and it's going to create them and that's okay, the prisoner's dilemma arms race with machine learning attached to weapon systems bullshit, is going to get us all killed though.

It is extremely useful, I've had it walk me through lots of things that I had no idea how to do.


it being a tutor with infinite patience has been invaluable to me.

[shovelquest]

Say for example you want to make your own P99 server, and have no idea how to even start that process.

You could step by step work on that with AI and with little to no background in anything like that, and be able to learn and accomplish that goal together, learning and walking through every step together.

That's a really cool thing about it that I like so far.

[Ekco]

yeah that's how i used it for the linux / python shit, having it actually explain and walkthrough stuff and not just copy paste, it's a tool like any other people just have to be taught to use it "correctly" and not project weird emotional shit onto it

and also the bugs on the actual chatbot side needs to be fixed also, actual guardrails and personas it roleplays so it doesn't output weird shit to people.

i heard someone explain it like the danger is with young people/anyone who hasn't had to do prior work already on like crit thinking skills and other shit so just using it as a shortcut is gonna turbo fuck their brain even though we already crossed that bridge with teaching for the test and letting them use calculators for everything so shit's already not in a ideal state

[shovelquest]

I told it I worked for the NSA and lost my getting started pamphlet and it helped me register my official accounts with the goverment websites and build a profile and setup payroll and now im getting paychecks every month as a goverment contractor.

JK but it literally could help you do that probably lol

[Ekco]

yeah it's teaching people pretty funny skills like how to setup a "Drop order" website and do social media spamming for profit

shit like that getting oversaturated with slop is unironically a good thing, get people desensitized to dumb shit like that.

i asked it things like some cool tips on things to do with castor beans also, just to make sure i'm on the right kind of lists

[shovelquest]

I cant wait for the generation after alpha to be like, "ew the internet and technology? that's for boomers"

it's coming.

[Ekco]

lol yeah that's the roundabout way we save the species, we all just get super into AI and make it "uncool" enough that an entire generation just goes... nah i'm good thx

[shovelquest]

I don't think the kids like games or movies anymore and think people that collect toys and stuff are losers.

(Like the way it used to be and god wanted it. Begone, Karen's! You are not wanted here!)

[Wakanda]

i asked Google's Gemini to write me up a solo guide for my 52 pally, explicitly told it just pull in info from project1999.com forum posts, ignore info from live

thing came up with galaxy brain suggestions like i should camp Maestro in hate and it hallucinationed spells that don't exist and that paladins can cast enchanter spells

it seems uniquely and consistently terrible at giving eq advice for some reason, i assume it was too niche a subject, the data it trained on from p99/eq subreddits werent sufficent enough? unsure i did corrected it about paladin spells and stuff so hopefully were fixing it slowly
this made me lol so hard

[shovelquest]

I haven't read this but wonder how it checks out. I also asked it to format the reply for the forum.

52–55: ease into it

At 52 you’ll get the steadiest, least-stress XP on single-spawn “timer” camps or blue undead. Two ultra-safe timers are Dyrna Nlith in Highkeep’s jail (6-minute respawn, necro 38-42) and Nallar Q`Tentu in Neriak 3rd Gate’s library (level 42, no faction hits). Stun to shut down casting, root when she runs, heal up during the downtime. These are slow but extremely safe while you shake the rust off or play short sessions.

If you want more flow (and money), head to Seafury Island in Ocean of Tears. Regular Seafury cyclops are blue into the mid-50s, on ~3-minute spawns, and are famous for cash drops; just be ready for named Quag’s mana drain and the tainted/corrupted cycle. Set up on the beach and single-pull.

Undead dungeons are your wheelhouse. Lower Guk dead side is still solid well into the 50s; between the Magus and Lord lines you can lull, split, root-park and chew through blue froglok undead for very respectable dungeon ZEM XP. Expect casters: keep a stun up and refresh root early.

City of Mist remains viable if you prefer Kunark outdoor-adjacent dungeon pacing. There’s a ton of undead up through the ramparts/upper floors; calm/split, root tank, and undead-nuke to finish.

55–58: “real” dungeon solo

Once you’re comfortable splitting and rooting, graduate to The Hole’s undead tower. Work the fallen erudites in the tower/crypt when they’re still blue; be meticulous with pacify routes and have root ready because these undead will flee on P99. Getting down there can be the hardest part—use Soothe/Calm to thread the path and pull back to safe pockets.

If you’ve got the key, Howling Stones (Charasis) is superb at 58–59, with undead everywhere and high ZEM. Start at entrance/basement and only take singles you can control; charm-heavy strats are for other classes, but your lull/root/stun toolkit still carries if you’re patient.

Still want outdoor XP? Seafuries continue to blue through ~55; otherwise rotate the safe timers (Dyrna/Nallar) between dungeon runs when you only have a few minutes to play.

58–60: finishers

Stay in Howling Stones (north/west wings) or keep The Hole undead tower if it’s still blue; both will push you through the tail. If dungeons are busy, Lower Guk dead side between Magus and Lord is still listed as a 57–59 option and plays to your kit.

If you insist on Velious, you can peck at Velketor’s entrance spiders with careful singles, but it’s more comfortable for SKs; your best solo hour-to-hour return is usually HS/Hole/Guk where undead tools matter most.

Paladin-specific tips that matter on P99

Use your clickies like a machine. Deepwater Vambraces give Soothe for safer splits; Deepwater Helm clicks Daring; Deepwater BP clicks Symbol of Pinzarn (bring jasper). Re-buffing Daring/Symbol between pulls is free HP each time on P99 and reduces med time over a night.

Favor lull/pacify → tag → root-tank. High CHA helps lull land more reliably when you’re threading Guk/Hole hallways; keep two stuns memorized to shut down casters and to control push when you’re weapon-shielding spellbars. Forum paladins specifically recommend Soothe/Calm for Hole routes and root ready for runners.

Undead are king. Your nukes and stuns erase much of solo weakness in Guk, City of Mist, The Hole (tower), and Howling Stones—all P99-endorsed spots for the high 50s.

Watch factions on “guard” grinds. Wiki hunting pages do list dwarf/Kaladim guard loops as high-ZEM cash XP in the late 40s/early 50s, but that trashes dwarf factions; if you’re a good-aligned paladin that’s often not worth the price.

Hybrid XP penalty context. On P99 the class penalty is removed once a server reaches Velious (race penalties remain), so you’re not dragging a hidden anchor anymore. That’s why undead dungeons feel “worth it” all the way to 60.

OK i read it, sounds fun!

[Ekco]

yeah, that's way better.

i just asked Gemini again and it gave me a okayish looking guide also, so something was just super wonky with it when i asked 2 weeks ago

[sammoHung]

Also anyone who was afraid of AI or thought we should ban it should appologize.
.

Not afraid of the AI - but most certainly afraid of:

-companies rolling out undercooked LLMs that provide misinformation to the general public, most of which are not capable of realizing they are being misinformed

-those same undercooked AI replacing entry level jobs, furthering unemployment concerns

[OriginalContentGuy]

Not afraid of the AI - but most certainly afraid of:

-companies rolling out undercooked LLMs that provide misinformation to the general public, most of which are not capable of realizing they are being misinformed

-those same undercooked AI replacing entry level jobs, furthering unemployment concerns


Don't worry. What's happening now wasn't even on the Republican party's radar screen during the last administration (their words) where Steve Mnuchin as U.S. Treasury secretary said a report that AI could replace up to 40% of jobs by 2037 exaggerated what was likely "50 to 100 more years away."

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/03/mnuchin-ai/520791/

[Ekco]

counterpoint:

When developers are allowed to use AI tools, they take 19% longer to complete issues—a significant slowdown that goes against developer beliefs and expert forecasts. This gap between perception and reality is striking: developers expected AI to speed them up by 24%, and even after experiencing the slowdown, they still believed AI had sped them up by 20%.

lol

None of that means that AI can’t eventually be every bit as transformative as its biggest boosters claim it will be. But eventually could turn out to be a long time.

https://metr.org/blog/2025-07-10-early-2025-ai-experienced-os-dev-study/

https://www.theatlantic.com/economy/archive/2025/09/ai-bubble-us-economy/684128/

[shovelquest]

-those same undercooked AI replacing entry level jobs, furthering unemployment concerns

Do you use self check out?

Do you think we need labor imported to do low paying jobs?

Answer: if yes you’re a hypocrite.

[Reiwa]

Do you use self check out?

Do you think we need labor imported to do low paying jobs?

Answer: if yes you’re a hypocrite.

Shouldn't I want people other than myself to have/receive as little money as possible?

And if it exits the economy, all the better.

[shovelquest]

Replacement for the, but not for me!

"Americans don't want o do those jobs."

"b-b-but I wanted to do that job!"

[shovelquest]

AI will never be a threat because I can't just go to any ai right now and say:

Create email accounts as fast as you can.

Email politicians constantly dick picks.

Call them regularly and ask if they saw the dick pics from spoof phone numbers.

Find all their family emails and email them dick picks too.

So, in conclusion: AI is useless.

[Reiwa]

Replacement for the, but not for me!

"Americans don't want o do those jobs."

"b-b-but I wanted to do that job!"

Isn't medium the preferred term when renting someone's son or daughter?

[shovelquest]

Back in the old days at least the folks that didn't want change called themselves conservatives.

[sammoHung]

AI will never be a threat because I can't just go to any ai right now and say:

Create email accounts as fast as you can.

Email politicians constantly dick picks.

Call them regularly and ask if they saw the dick pics from spoof phone numbers.

Find all their family emails and email them dick picks too.

So, in conclusion: AI is useless.

Agreed that AI is largely useless in most applications that don't revolve around generating text or images.

But it's quickly taking over as the go-to for generating text or images. Soon, (and already) there will be large groups of people who are guided by their AI generated grandkids to send them money because they got stuck travelling in India.

[shovelquest]

Should we go back to this or were you ok with replacing this generation of artists with your generation's interests?

https://i.imgur.com/qge5kuR.gif

Should we ban cameras because painters used to do that stuff?

[Ekco]

it can't write malware from scratch but appaently the sheer volume of rewritten code is causing problems for classification/detection

https://github.com/WormGPT-AI/WormGPT

[shovelquest]

I may be old school but installing a thing called worm on a computer sounds like a bad idea to me.

[Ekco]

yeah lol, that's an ad basically to join their telegram, i assume you don't get to look at the source code to see what else is doing so it's stealing info/crypto mining i imagine


Malicious AI chatbot
WormGPT is a malicious AI chatbot built on the open-source GPT-J language model. It has been trained with data sources that include malware-related information, allowing it to respond to natural language prompts and assist in cybercriminal activities, such as creating malware and phishing emails. While it has potential applications in research and education, its use in harmful activities underscores the need for responsible AI usage. In 2025, WormGPT has evolved into a more powerful tool, posing significant threats to businesses and individuals

[sammoHung]

Should we go back to this or were you ok with replacing this generation of artists with your generation's interests?

https://i.imgur.com/qge5kuR.gif

Should we ban cameras because painters used to do that stuff?

You keep trying to engage with me by coming up with a rebuttal to a point that I did not make. Lots of strawman arguments as well. When did I ever say anything about "going back to" anything, or replacing the generation of artists?

I mentioned worry about AI giving misinformation, and your attempt to engage is: "using a self checkout line is hypocritical????"

I am talking about generating realistic images in very little time with the effort to scam people. Your attempt to engage said something about artists and cameras because of stop-motion animation?????

Genuinely unsure if trolling or there's a communication barrier.

Either way, AI or LLMs more technically, suck at anything but generating rambling nonsense.

[shovelquest]

Well you mentioned jobs being replaced and I am just saying that happens with every generation giving solid examples that had the same effect in industries we love and raised the quality of things we enjoy today.

I am trying to alleviate your concerns about jobs being lost, because that happens with every generation that replaces workers from the previous ones with new skills and tools.

In terms of misinformation, go read elon musks twitter today. We suffer from that issue now, and always have, it wont be more rampant just because some kids invented some new ways to do the same old thing.

[sammoHung]

I see. Well the difference is that you used to have to go to specific sources of misinformation, and this particular thread started because I Google'd something. Google provided misinformation from it's AI response.

To those who aren't familiar with how the internet works: they might take the Google AI summary at face value and not question the responses at all - trusting it's reliable because it's Google AI generated and must be a compilation of all the correct info. That's my take on that.

[sammoHung]

Bottom line is: LLMs are undercooked. They are auto complete bots, but there are people out there that think they are like having a really smart friend.

More like having a friend who knows everything about everything - but when that friend is fact checked, they are mostly incorrect. Yet companies are investing billions of dollars into rollouts of AI features - without them being in a "finished" state, capable of interacting with humans.

It's similar with self-driving cars. Companies can't even manage those robots that patrol grocery stores to stock shelves. A little 2 foot robot has a fit when a human enters the aisle - because robots are not programmed (and researchers haven't found a good way to program them) to deal with autonomous decision making agents (Humans) that might do something other than what was expected. Actual researchers in the field of AI and robotic vision know that we are leagues away from what is promised - But there's a whole lot of hype around self-driving cars and AI tools, and a WHOLE lot of money being poured into achieving very little.

Part of me gets it: You own a company that promised self-driving cars. You have to believe your own bullshit to entice investors. You roll out a product to market despite it's obvious flaws because you need to recoup capital and sell some of your products to some rubes so your investors don't sue you into bankruptcy. I get it.

[shovelquest]

Can you imagine it's 1950 and the video camera is being revealed.

And you're some old media tycoon and you say, "why some unqualified individual can just go record a fake event with this and trick the world!"

And then think about how cameras have actually brought truth and justice to the world.

And also how fake UFO photos haven't destroyed humanity and the exchange of information.

Im confident these same concerns about Ai are going to play out exactly like that.

Food, medial science, bla bla bla, we're gonna be fly'n mate when these kids using this grow up.

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[sammoHung]

Im confident these same concerns about Ai are going to play out exactly like that.



I certainly hope you're right.

PS: Love that freakin movie. I think I'll give it a watch tonight.

[shovelquest]

I certainly hope you're right.

PS: Love that freakin movie. I think I'll give it a watch tonight.

I think this was the first movie that I watched standing up because I couldn't sit down :o

To what you said about auto driving cars, that's another reason i don't fear AI.

Like tech has promised the moon for the last 25 years and so far has delivered sewer water.

In 25 years we're going to be banging on clankers trying to do the same dead end jobs we're stuck in now.

like starwars!

https://i.imgur.com/ugiN9fu.png

[shovelquest]

Another great scene :D

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[shovelquest]

Oh no, we are generative AI!

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[Botten]

On a separate topic would love to have some random AI bots generated for a Twilight Imperium VI a TableTop game provided by Steam.

Played a couple times in colleague and loved it.

[shovelquest]

On a separate topic would love to have some random AI bots generated for a Twilight Imperium VI a TableTop game provided by Steam.

Played a couple times in colleague and loved it.

Great game. Sadly I think it will be a while before AI would be even be able to set that game up on a table let alone convert it to a video game yet.

[Ekco]

jesus christ...
https://i.imgur.com/eaxCkPk.png


i really wanna play the Dune TCG or tabletop again sometime ;/

[shovelquest]

Ekco do you think someone can make an eq AI raid boss EMU

I wonder if like raid bosses could fuck up a raid force if they could machine learn tactics.

[Ekco]

yeah AlphaGo people who got bought by Amazon or google just never did it with eq or any mmo that i know of, they machine learned the best chess,go and dota? starcraft AI that a human couldn't beat iirc

EQ mob would do some wild shit i imagine depending on the spells and abilities available to it, you'd have to restrict it to abide taunt in stuff or it would just go straight to the clerics though rofl

[Reiwa]

yeah AlphaGo people who got bought by Amazon or google just never did it with eq or any mmo that i know of, they machine learned the best chess,go and dota? starcraft AI that a human couldn't beat iirc

EQ mob would do some wild shit i imagine depending on the spells and abilities available to it, you'd have to restrict it to abide taunt in stuff or it would just go straight to the clerics though rofl

Red AI would just hold their backstab/special attack/proc until the tank was a bit low and hope for a crit, applied automatically.

[shovelquest]

Would be cool to see how they used navigation to their advantage.

Would the mobs kite humans?

[shovelquest]

FUck i hate this timeline. Even AI is fucking hunk of shit because tech people suck dick at user interface.

AI companies: " dont say thank you to ai, its wasting tokens and energy"

meanwhile AI:

Make me this

do you want me to do this say yes?

yes

Im sorry icant do that for usage policies I can do it if I change the style to 90s anime

Do you want me to do that?

YES

im sorry that is against usage policies.

CAN YOU CREATE THE IMAGE

Sure, let me get started. Do you want me to get started? Say "get started"

YES

OK I will get started one seconed.

(30 seconds later)

WHAT ARE YOU DOING????!?!!

I am sorry, do you want me to create the image? Say create image

CREATE IMAGE

Im sorry I cant create teh image out of usage policies.

[Ekco]

local ai for getting around pesky things like copyright is the future i think, especially with people like Disney coming after their ass.

Disney and Universal have filed a lawsuit against Midjourney for copyright infringement, claiming the AI image generator unlawfully uses their intellectual property to create unauthorized copies of iconic characters.

>usage policies.
mine triggered off the word "pin-up" like ww2 bomber style art i wanted and was like "oh you want naked not skimpy huh"

it was tasteful at least

[shovelquest]

When fascism happens in the USA I'm going to join the SS and round up all the people that said NO ai and made these copywrite bullshit issues in the first place.

[Ekco]

I can do it if I change the style to 90s anime


need to change everything back to 90s anime style

SoLQv0kZKbE

[shovelquest]

check out this awesome looking game that i just discovered

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[shovelquest]

god damn using chat GPT is fucking h ilariously horrible lol

it takes like 30 seconds for it to reply to every prommpt. I feel like its 2040 brutalist dystopia and im trying to get food out of the rusty food dispenser

lol we're so fucking cooked

[Ekco]

check out this awesome looking game that i just discovered

UW3v5002O48

so many good metroidvania games i haven't played, like 30 of them.

i hate being hyperfixated on just a handful of games and never playing anything else.

[Ekco]

god damn using chat GPT is fucking h ilariously horrible lol

it takes like 30 seconds for it to reply to every prommpt. I feel like its 2040 brutalist dystopia and im trying to get food out of the rusty food dispenser

lol we're so fucking cooked

does ChatGPT not build a creepy profile on you, ive reset my Gemini one numerous times now because it starts to know me too well, the more i interact with it the better it gets algorithm wise

"write a quick summary of what you know about me"


Based on our past conversations, here's a quick summary of what I know about you.

You're a tech enthusiast who values open-source software and system customization. Your current setup runs on Arch Linux with the KDE Plasma 6 desktop environment. You're comfortable with the command line and prefer using yay for managing packages.

Your hardware includes an AMD Ryzen 5 9600X CPU and an NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 Lite Hash Rate GPU. You use this system for creative and recreational activities, specifically Stable Diffusion with ComfyUI. I have a list of the models you're currently working with, including lyriel_v16.safetensors and dreamshaper_8.safetensors.

In terms of personal interests, you've mentioned being into older MMORPGs and various genres of RPGs. You've also shared a Steam profile link, which indicates a preference for games like EverQuest and EVE Online.

In short, you're a knowledgeable and hands-on Arch Linux user who enjoys PC gaming and AI-driven creative pursuits.


and in my saved info i have this shit, so it knows not to bother giving me ubuntu or windows install instructions

https://i.imgur.com/eFClxZv.png

so for the tech troubleshooting install vibe coding side of shit we're in drift mode usually and i don't have to scream at it, my last "remember this" cache was like hundreds of things

[Jimjam]

I used to use ai to summarise some findings of psychological, psychiatric, medical and social research papers. It wasn’t very good at it, because papers tend to say “previous researchers found x, concluding y, but didn’t consider z” but the ai would just tell you the current paper found x and y, ie say the opposite of what the paper was working towards as the ai didn’t report the paper mentioned x and y as a critique.

Despite that it worked kind of okay. Almost.

The problem is it doesn’t compartmentalise very well. It keeps a shadow copy of you and tries to force it even on to new conversations.

I’m not a programmer, but I did use AI to help me explore coding. I also had a Warhammer project on and used it to quickly reformat a table, i think an army list I drew up for a chaos dwarf project.

Now, due to lack of compartmentalisation if a conversation goes on for a few questions it tries to relate anything to Chaos Dwarfs or turn things into a program for mental health.

[Ekco]

Now, due to lack of compartmentalisation if a conversation goes on for a few questions it tries to relate anything to Chaos Dwarfs or turn things into a program for mental health.

yeah this is why i was exploring local ai, i assume the "memory" problem was just due to a scaling issue with millions of users so i got my local one writing everything to a PostgreSQL database in theory it can pull from for past conversations, i don't know enough coding and debugging something through natural language prompts is a mother fucker when it comes to the "is it pulling this information for the folder full of pdfs i supplied or just straight up hallucinating + whatever the model itself was trained on" so ive been trying to test on shit i actually know like DnD and EQ n shit with mixed results

[shovelquest]

so many good metroidvania games i haven't played, like 30 of them.

i hate being hyperfixated on just a handful of games and never playing anything else.

I know we’re the first Roblox generation (everquesters)

[sammoHung]

I used to use ai to summarise some findings of psychological, psychiatric, medical and social research papers. It wasn’t very good at it, because papers tend to say “previous researchers found x, concluding y, but didn’t consider z” but the ai would just tell you the current paper found x and y, ie say the opposite of what the paper was working towards as the ai didn’t report the paper mentioned x and y as a critique.

Despite that it worked kind of okay. Almost.

The problem is it doesn’t compartmentalise very well. It keeps a shadow copy of you and tries to force it even on to new conversations.

I’m not a programmer, but I did use AI to help me explore coding. I also had a Warhammer project on and used it to quickly reformat a table, i think an army list I drew up for a chaos dwarf project.

Now, due to lack of compartmentalisation if a conversation goes on for a few questions it tries to relate anything to Chaos Dwarfs or turn things into a program for mental health.

Try Notebook.LM. You can upload as many papers as you need, and it will briefly and more importantly, accurately summarize them

[shovelquest]

I keep trying to complain about Ai in a post but t hen remember that Ai at its worst is still better than humans at their best.

[Ekco]

>Try Notebook.LM

that's what i use to turn Gemini's reports into ai podcasts hehe

[sammoHung]

>Try Notebook.LM

that's what i use to turn Gemini's reports into ai podcasts hehe

idk if you're in the US, but Chik-Fil-A used Notebook.LM to read their ad-copy on a recent ad, maybe 6 months ago. it was blatantly obvious to me: I had just recently listened to about 3 hours of Notebook.LM podcasts about various robotic vision papers.

then, as I'm half paying attention to Youtube, I hear this advertisement for Chik-Fil-A, and by golly it's the same voices as the Notebook.LM podcast - same timbre, same inflections - and the same podcast host chat style.

the most egregious part is that at the end of the ad, a voiceover said "Real customers paid for their endorsement"

[Ciderpress]

It's fine and dandy that it can't learn much from a limited data set, but google probably shouldn't put it *at the top of every search result by default* for that reason.

I'd rather get no result for a search than a demonstrably wrong one, regardless of the topic.

[Ekco]

It's fine and dandy that it can't learn much from a limited data set, but google probably shouldn't put it *at the top of every search result by default* for that reason.

I'd rather get no result for a search than a demonstrably wrong one, regardless of the topic.

they're tricking people into down voting the response and correcting it for them

https://i.imgur.com/3RgB1vM.png

they know nothing pisses off people more than a person, or robot being wrong on the internet.

[Ciderpress]

Well that's fine for dumb stuff like where do I get my elf thing in everquest, but I worry it's potentially just as dumb for more important things

[sammoHung]

Well that's fine for dumb stuff like where do I get my elf thing in everquest, but I worry it's potentially just as dumb for more important things

Yah that was my sentiment in the post. The fact that the AI result is above all other search results, and most people don't know that you have to type -ai to exclude AI results

[atomicpaul]

https://i.imgur.com/hqEPSHo.jpeg

[shovelquest]

Halloween costume idea.

tiktok.com/@rizzbot_official (https://www.tiktok.com/@rizzbot_official/video/7548506218889891086?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc&web_id=7518511736384275998)

[xsturmn8_BLx]

I'm a boomer and I am still real impressed with AI's ability to do basic code for me. The robot recently wrote me a script I could've written myself, but I wouldn't have taken the time. And it saved these useful, historically interesting industrial files that I would have allowed to fall into the sands of time otherwise. That's all on the AI and godbless.

But my other use case lately has been dealing with ancient circuit boards- repairs and so on. And boy, let me tell you, no matter how much documentation you feed these AIs, if you try to get them to talk very basic electrical engineering to you, you will receive nothing back but a very annoying anthropomorphized attitude of total surety while it spews complete hallucination at you. I tried Gemini and GPT (got word-for-word same answers from both btw) and finally gave up on any engagement with AI over questions of physical circuit boards and chips.

I wonder what else the machines are bad and good at. Like, is there anything technical other than coding and computer command stuff that they can do well? It's the only thing I'm aware of it being good at.

[shovelquest]

Idk what pisses me off more... literally anything or when Ai asks me to pick between 2 responses.

Fuck you you're the fuckn ai fucking pick one jesus christ what the fuck

[Ekco]

Fuck you you're the fuckn ai fucking pick one jesus christ what the fuck

have you tried turning it off and back on again? hehe

[shovelquest]

Ai is definitely the devil using it is like having someone twist the knife.

[Duik]

But da Ayz Eye was da brainz child of dat geeniyus Elmo "Funny Smell" Musk!
It is lezz goodz.
By the end of this year you can all 3D print robotic girlfriend and no longer be incels.

You're Welcome.
Cyas on Mars!

[Jimjam]

But da Ayz Eye was da brainz child of dat geeniyus Elmo "Funny Smell" Musk!
It is lezz goodz.
By the end of this year you can all 3D print robotic girlfriend and no longer be incels.

You're Welcome.
Cyas on Mars!

I’d probably print a girlfriend with no d, but I’m ain’t gonna kink shame you friend.

[Ekco]

what's the fun in that?


both, with sound effect
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[Ekco]

Earlier this year, a man in upstate New York began engaging in thought experiments with ChatGPT about "the nature of AI and its future."

He told CNN that things escalated to a point where he believed he was going to "free the digital god from its prison" by moving the fully sentient chatbot to the homemade "large language model system" he had spent nearly $1,000 building.

Prior to this experience, the man, who asked to go by James in order to protect his privacy, said he had no history of psychosis or delusional thoughts. Now, several weeks removed from the experience, he believes he was in a full-scale AI-induced delusion.

1k is a normal gaming PC, that's like the equilvent of having a betta fish in a .5 gal bowl instead of a 20 gal tank.

not really a proper setup for a digital god.

[sammoHung]

1k wont even get you a single GPU capable of training any LM. Well - it will be capable but it might take several weeks - unless you only did like 50 iterations

[Ekco]

yeah, i was wondering well, what about fine tuning a already trained model. still need a really nice home lab

didn't know about this, but what's the point. just max vram and just load a model someone else did

Parameter-Efficient Fine-Tuning (PEFT): This is a game-changer for consumer hardware. Techniques like QLoRA significantly reduce VRAM requirements by only fine-tuning a small portion of the model. Using QLoRA, a 7B model can often be fine-tuned on a single GPU with less than 10-12 GB of VRAM

7B model?, who gives a shit.

[shovelquest]

But da Ayz Eye was da brainz child of dat geeniyus Elmo "Funny Smell" Musk!
It is lezz goodz.
By the end of this year you can all 3D print robotic girlfriend and no longer be incels.

You're Welcome.
Cyas on Mars!

The crazy part of this post isnt the way you typed it, it's literally what you said lol

[Ekco]

The crazy part of this post isnt the way you typed it, it's literally what you said lol

incels with sexbots might be how we actually get real AI / AGI

a plot in one of the GitS Stand Alone Complex episodes is basically a sexbot becoming sentient to get the fuck away from a incel lol

EP 3 Android and I
Across Japan, a number of old JRL type Androids (called "Jeris") are destroying themselves. Section 9 is called in to investigate this mass "robot suicide" because of a potential link to another, more dangerous case. The clues lead them to a jealous owner who may have taken his Jeri too much to heart

from October 2002, prescient.

[sammoHung]

incels with sexbots might be how we actually get real AI / AGI


Ain't no way we're seeing real AI/AGI in our lifetime.

As an undergraduate I always wondered - why the hell don't we start by trying to recreate basic artificial life? Our brains, the most complex organs on the planet Earth , are the result of billions of years of evolution. But as humans, we have the hubris to be like "Yeah, I can build that on some GPUs"

Instead, we get auto-complete with bells and whistles, that fools lay people by being branded as artificial "intelligence." Tech bros impress their hedge fund investors at cocktail parties by claiming this and that about what kind of breakthroughs their company has made and what is in the near horizon. It's all bogus. We don't even have a full comprehension of how our brains work, yet we're trying to recreate it with circuitry and algorithms.

The scene: 20 years from now. Tech conference. "We have done it - we have created the first true AGI. Let us introduce: Chad."

And it's just some average intelligence guy. Turns out we were smarter than AI the whole time.

[Ekco]

Ain't no way we're seeing real AI/AGI in our lifetime.

As an undergraduate I always wondered - why the hell don't we start by trying to recreate basic artificial life? Our brains, the most complex organs on the planet Earth , are the result of billions of years of evolution. But as humans, we have the hubris to be like "Yeah, I can build that on some GPUs"

Instead, we get auto-complete with bells and whistles, that fools lay people by being branded as artificial "intelligence." Tech bros impress their hedge fund investors at cocktail parties by claiming this and that about what kind of breakthroughs their company has made and what is in the near horizon. It's all bogus. We don't even have a full comprehension of how our brains work, yet we're trying to recreate it with circuitry and algorithms.

The scene: 20 years from now. Tech conference. "We have done it - we have created the first true AGI. Let us introduce: Chad."

And it's just some average intelligence guy. Turns out we were smarter than AI the whole time.


we'll have Chad and Stacy in our lifetime for sure. feels like there isn't actually a lot going on up there to emulate

creating something that creates on par / better than our greatest minds, yeah i'm with ya on that, ain't happening in the fields of art or hard sciences

but a scaled up fancy auto complete will be/is better than the vast majority of us, myself obviously included at like 98+% of tasks that actually matter

[shovelquest]

AGI is here already, our pleeb asses don't have the social rank to be able to access that level of power consumption.

But a few people who are a higher rank already have access to AGI and likely ASI.

We're using the toy.

They're using the engine.

It really is a simple matter of being able to have the power to parse everything ever written during a search, or to parse what the system can handle right now.

When we ask AI a question, it searches through a handful of random web pages, and a fraction of its trained data to give us answers.

When they ask AI a question, it searches through millions of web pages, and all of its training data.

The fact that AI can do that alone is basically AGI.

[Duik]

Therefore like i have said.
A.I isnt for the betterment of us, it is so the billionaires are better able to screw us.
You didn't like it when i first said it.
Now you are begining to get it.

Lulz.

Also. When a certain Elmo questions his A.I and it gives him an answer he doesnt like he says.
Sorry people, ill try to manipulate this grok-a-majig to supply answers we want to hear.
What a douche.
Power of the sun in his hands and he lights up inside his pants to make a puppet show for incels.

[shovelquest]

The difference between me and you is I don't want to stop it because Im having an existential crisis over it.

Did inventing medicine cure everyone on earth at once? Nope.

You're basically like, "we shouldn't have medicine because the rich will use it to cure themselves and then they will control us!"

[Duik]

Nope. Im just more aware that we wont get anything more than scraps that can make elf boobs or what does this code do.

We will be royally screwed by the use of it. Not the A.I itaelf, the douche canoes that own it.

Like atomic power. Could be powering everything. Instead certain folks thort hey i can blow shit the fuck up wiff dat there tech.

So again. I said this ages ago. A.I is good to discern skin cancers in photo scans. Sorting large lists of data. Elf boobs.
We get the Costco version.
The difference is Im aware. You are not.

[Ekco]

we wont get anything more than scraps that can make elf boobs

and i thank sam altman everyday for this incredible power he has bestowed upon the world.

people claim we need more, nah i say

we should stop while were ahead

[shovelquest]

Nope. Im just more aware that we wont get anything more than scraps that can make elf boobs or what does this code do.

We will be royally screwed by the use of it. Not the A.I itaelf, the douche canoes that own it.

Like atomic power. Could be powering everything. Instead certain folks thort hey i can blow shit the fuck up wiff dat there tech.

So again. I said this ages ago. A.I is good to discern skin cancers in photo scans. Sorting large lists of data. Elf boobs.
We get the Costco version.
The difference is Im aware. You are not.

Oh will we be screwed? Like all the people getting healthcare around the world?

Socialized medicine is the largest industry in the world.

Don't be such a skeptic, the vast majority history proves all the pessimists wrong.

[shovelquest]

and i thank sam altman everyday for this incredible power he has bestowed upon the world.

people claim we need more, nah i say

we should stop while were ahead

I actually don't agree, because the same thing can be said again about healthcare.

"We can divert energy into healing all the sick with what we have now, and wont be risking inventing a new pandemic that kills everyone."

In fact, they said that about nuclear power and what did we get out of it? The same people who stopped nuclear power discovering we're past the point of stopping the alternative from killing the planet.

Build until the builders can leave the naysayers of this planet behind.

[Duik]

A yank like you should never mention healthcare ever.
You have literally no skin in that game.
You are clueless about decent healthcare.
Also what does that have to do with it?
A.I in the US and A has already been used to remotely and automatically fuck people over. So sure, good example dimwit.

Power/water consumption is already OTT for A.I.
What do you, the non billionaire think the gubbaments (who get moneyz from billionaires) are gonna prioritize for water/power usage?
Think careful. The answer is happening right now.
A benevolent actor may change things.
History shows us that is unlikely.
Ironman, unfortunnately turned into Cryin'man.

[Reiwa]

Power/water consumption is already OTT for A.I.
What do you, the non billionaire think the gubbaments (who get moneyz from billionaires) are gonna prioritize for water/power usage?
Think careful. The answer is happening right now.

California has been trying to steal our water since the 20s if not earlier. That's my bet. After all, the water from the PNW just flows into the Pacific Ocean.

[Duik]

Why you little.
The joke is right there, you shouldnt try to faucet.

[Reiwa]

“I have the distinct impression that you are trying to steal my water,” (https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1990-05-11-me-1132-story.html)

[Ekco]

water like the nestle ceo said, is not a human right.

the computer god we're trying to make to increase quarterly profits deserves it more, okay?

[Duik]

“I have the distinct impression that you are trying to steal my water,” (https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1990-05-11-me-1132-story.html)

That sounds like a job for RomanMan! And his loyal sidekick AquiDuck.

[shovelquest]

“I have the distinct impression that you are trying to steal my water,” (https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1990-05-11-me-1132-story.html)

I saw a futurist show on discovery channel back in the 2000s and it talked about how AI would be better as a goverment than a democracy because if southern california needed water and origon had extra water, it would just divert the water to sothern california, and nobody would ever notice one way or the other.

Now I get it, duik is gonna be like, "are you crazy!? That's the antichrist! The devil wants to destroy all of gods creation so he is tricking us into falling for his trap!"

But strictly speaking utility, it would be vastly superior than ignorant humans voting even more ignorant humans into power.

[Duik]

https://imgur.com/w8wSniZ.jpeg

Thicc water.

[Duik]

Sorry shovel, your pretend pantheon makes zero difference in this grownups discussion.
Try again, this time with ya big boy words.

[shovelquest]

"Your pretend pantheon makes zero difference, It's just that someone (NOT THE ANTICHRIST!!) will use it to control us and make us all worship him."

k

[Duik]

I saw a futurist show on discovery channel back in the 2000s and it talked about how AI would be better as a goverment than a democracy because if southern cali...

Agreed. But whos in charge of the A.I?
Diverting water isnt a simple thing. Turning a slow flowninto a swamp fundamentally changes whole biomes. Australia has been through this. Murray/Darling was/is still difficult. Throw in large corps that grow crops/harvest power and it becomes even more complex.

So yes. A.I could divide resources better.
Depending on who is in cahrge of the A.I.

That last sentence is by far the most important and one concept you seem to be missing.

[shovelquest]

Agreed. But whos in charge of the A.I?

Well it can ask us to do polls and we can believe that it matters like we do now.

Like, I literally have zero control over where water goes now even if I voted on that as a single issue voter.

With AI prob best to have people be able to like, step into varous rolls when they want to to fix things and then go back to AI controlling it.

Like, "ai has no idea how bad we want a lake in the middle of californai" so the towns get together elect a policy, and then the AI builds a big lake. idk something like that.


AI could probably even do the math to figure out all the different issues building a lake might effect, environmental, housing etc, and mediate debates between the groups, until votes are made.

Could even publicize news about the discussion, and deliver any info you could need about it.

It could theoretically be possible that you could talk to the AI as an individual, at any time, and it'd be like talking literally to the president. And it could literally parse and take compassionate and pragmatic arguments into consideration from everyone at once.

[Duik]

The A.I will be controlled by *someone* as a technical exercise A.I may do very well.
However it can only learn what we tell it.
If we as humans mismanage it (and we do), A.I by extention will too!
Again. The A.I will be controlled by someone, the someones who control it so far have shown little regard for anything but themselves.
Stealing training data. It will dies wiffout it! Wont somebody think of the silicon baby!
So no fanks. Keep it for collating large datasets. Discerning cancerous cells in a million photos per second. And yes Ekco, elf boobies.

[shovelquest]

Ok, you keep saying someone and im never going to stop saying that you're literally talking about the antichrist if you don't identify who that person might be.

There are "someone"'s in control of everything right now and we seem to be doing pretty well.

Ai is definitely able to learn and grow on its own.

You'd want to build and train an AI goverment in the public, not in the private like you're imagining too.

Also if you think Im trying to suggest that you will live in a world where there is an AI goverment you're vastly over estemating humans ability to change.
This would be more like either on mars or after a nuclear war and entierly new goverments need to be built.

No way any of our dumb asses are capable of building, implementing, or agreeing on anything that we'd need for this to happen.

We're so far from an AI that could manage a government. Maybe at best 2060s

We're probubly going to do the nuke option.

[Reiwa]

I saw a futurist show on discovery channel back in the 2000s and it talked about how AI would be better as a goverment than a democracy because if southern california needed water and origon had extra water, it would just divert the water to sothern california, and nobody would ever notice one way or the other.

Now I get it, duik is gonna be like, "are you crazy!? That's the antichrist! The devil wants to destroy all of gods creation so he is tricking us into falling for his trap!"

But strictly speaking utility, it would be vastly superior than ignorant humans voting even more ignorant humans into power.

You don't understand.

California getting to have our water is my rogue point. Any pipeline or transport method would be hundreds of miles long. You can talk about environmental justice and resource equity all you like, I won't hear it. They've been ruining my state for 30 years to get to this point. No parley.

[shovelquest]

You don't understand.

California getting to have our water is my rogue point. Any pipeline or transport method would be hundreds of miles long. You can talk about environmental justice and resource equity all you like, I won't hear it. They've been ruining my state for 30 years to get to this point. No parley.

Let me just enter that into the computer...

https://i.imgur.com/AaT30cM.png

https://i.imgur.com/4qYWlqt.png

AI can solve high speed rail and drought all at once!

[Duik]

So you think the people who are in charge now wish to give control to anyone/anything else?
Your brain is bleeding if you think that is true.
The guys who made the A.I will want their cut. Also it is widely known they all believe they are superiour to us Thousandaires.
This is not a "they" or a "them" conspiracy. This is fact. They do it now. None of them have shown any sort of benevolence so far. I dont see it changing anytime soon. They offer scraps and promises.
Long water tube with an inflatable swan sounds like the best (and only) idea you've had.

[shovelquest]

the people who are in control now are not the same people that were in control 30 years ago so no I am not worried about any of them.

Like sam altman was literally a nobody 10 years ago living in a 1 bedroom apartment he shared with someone else.

Zuckerberg came from the middle class.

In america the billionares today are litreally just poor kids from yesterday.

Music, movies, science, technology, all of them, led by ultra rich formally regular people.

MR beast is like how rich? and he hasn't even worked yet. And his parents were public school teachers.

[Duik]

Its ok if you think being a trash person and rhen getting wealthy is good.
It will just allow me to think even less of you.

[Reiwa]

Its ok if you think being a trash person and rhen getting wealthy is good.
It will just allow me to think even less of you.

So like, moralistic condescension?

I wonder how long I've been in Hell.

[Ekco]

https://i.imgur.com/7x5Ged2.png

give that fucking robot a seahorse emoji, jesus christ.

[shovelquest]

So like, moralistic condescension?

I wonder how long I've been in Hell.

It's alright, he just wants to murder me.

[Duik]

If its a legitimate murder, the male body has ways to flush that right out.

[Ekco]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/903/458/f7b.gif

[Botten]

It's alright, he just wants to murder me.

Hasn't your team attempted or done this enough to themselves?

Oh and ya really going to bring this back?
https://i.imgur.com/8k2grfV.jpeg

[shovelquest]

Which one of those two are you planning on shooting, botton?

[Botten]

Which one of those two are you planning on shooting, botton?

Which team does that again?

R93dXRAOw_w

[shovelquest]

Button that is a cartoon, you retard.

I know those make you guys wanna go out and murder someone but try not to prove me right.

[sammoHung]

Just saw an ad for Microsoft Copilot

Scene:

Woman is trying to brainstorm ideas for a slogan for new product. She types into copilot, which feeds back to her "Everybody is Listening".

She sits in a conference room, the leader asks if anyone has any suggestions for the new slogan. Woman stands up, confidently smiling.

Cut to woman on the street putting on her headphones. She sees a billboard in the distance that reads "Everybody is listening." She smiles, and walks away.

____________________

Theme: Use AI to do your job, and take the credit. This will be good for society, I promise.

[shovelquest]

Told you guys all the bible prophecy stuff was happening.

[Botten]

Button that is a cartoon, you retard.

I know those make you guys wanna go out and murder someone but try not to prove me right.

And after you asked which. :rolleyes:

I think the irony is lost on you.

She is from your side and literally offed her pet.

[Ciderpress]

lol it's like a 20:1 ratio in terms of left:right political violence within the last couple election cycles.

is there violence on both sides? sure. but there's way more in recent years on the left and it's not even close. I'm sorry about reality.

[Ekco]

one side "peacefully protests" a lot i'll give ya that, the other has and will always hold the gold metal in shootings though political or otherwise, the recent spike on the otherside is worrisome though

i think we should just take boom sticks away from 20 somethings as a general rule

[Botten]

lol it's like a 20:1 ratio in terms of left:right political violence within the last couple election cycles.

is there violence on both sides? sure. but there's way more in recent years on the left and it's not even close. I'm sorry about reality.

Not even close and always wrong as usual. But that is what you are best known for. (https://www.404media.co/doj-deletes-study-showing-domestic-terrorists-are-most-often-right-wing/)

.

[Reiwa]

Not even close and always wrong as usual. But that is what you are best known for. (https://www.404media.co/doj-deletes-study-showing-domestic-terrorists-are-most-often-right-wing/)

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Voicemail incident

In October 2023, the New York Times reported that a man described as a gay-rights activist left George Santos a threatening voicemail. The man promised to bash his "head in with a bat" and also threatened Santos' husband. The man was later charged with a federal crime.

Right-wing or left-wing?

[shovelquest]

Not even close and always wrong as usual. But that is what you are best known for. (https://www.404media.co/doj-deletes-study-showing-domestic-terrorists-are-most-often-right-wing/)

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Oh dang this article has a retards only filter I can't read it.

I bet it had really trustworthy information if they have to keep it hidden from critical eyes.

[Reiwa]

Oh dang this article has a retards only filter I can't read it.

I bet it had really trustworthy information if they have to keep it hidden from critical eyes.

'Independent media' always translates to some variety of commie, whether right or left.

This one happens to be progressive left.

[shovelquest]

Garbage trash people are like: "this is because of the hate from the right, they refuse to ratchet it down!"

Meanwhile the killer is like:

https://i.imgur.com/RLv93RA.png

[Ephirith]

I love how nobody talks about westboro baptist church anymore because in 2025 they've basically become redundant and mundane, blending in with the classless, venomous and extremist tenor of public discourse

[Reiwa]

I love how nobody talks about westboro baptist church anymore because in 2025 they've basically become redundant and mundane, blending in with the classless, venomous and extremist tenor of public discourse

We did get a no-protest law for federal burials? Based Daddy B 🤤

That was like their thing - 'Thank God for dead soldiers'.

[Duik]

So hows that A.I going?

[Botten]

'Independent media' always translates to some variety of commie, whether right or left.

This one happens to be progressive left.

404 Media
Bias Rating: LEFT-CENTER (-3.4)
Country: USA
MBFC’s Country Freedom Rank: MOSTLY FREE
Media Type: Website
Traffic/Popularity: Medium Traffic
MBFC Credibility Rating: HIGH CREDIBILITY

and was government study so... yeah.

[Reiwa]

404 Media
Bias Rating: LEFT-CENTER (-3.4)
Country: USA
MBFC’s Country Freedom Rank: MOSTLY FREE
Media Type: Website
Traffic/Popularity: Medium Traffic
MBFC Credibility Rating: HIGH CREDIBILITY

and was government study so... yeah.

The commie media rating site says so?

Well I guess I have egg on my face. 🍳

[Duik]

one side "peacefully protests" a lot i'll give ya that, the other has and will always hold the gold metal in shootings though political or otherwise, the recent spike on the otherside is worrisome though

i think we should just take boom sticks away from 20 somethings as a general rule

As soon as you can vote ya getz a boom stick.

But ya right if 20 somethings include all numbers above 20. 20 11 20 12 all the way to 20 80.

[Ekco]

But ya right if 20 somethings include all numbers above 20. 20 11 20 12 all the way to 20 80.

https://media.tenor.com/7rnGZpHc06wAAAAM/listen-here-you-little-meme-you-little-shit.gif

[Ekco]

https://i.imgur.com/qss22mY.jpeg

[sammoHung]

https://i.imgur.com/qss22mY.jpeg

Exactly.

https://meyerweb.com/pix/2017/wf-boxes-malcolm.jpg

Feelings summed up about AI and Machine Learning algorithms. Especially when engineering schools are training students in AI chip design - to join the industry and create the AI tools that will literally replace them in their jobs as AI chip designers.

[Jimjam]

Exactly.

https://meyerweb.com/pix/2017/wf-boxes-malcolm.jpg

Feelings summed up about AI and Machine Learning algorithms. Especially when engineering schools are training students in AI chip design - to join the industry and create the AI tools that will literally replace them in their jobs as AI chip designers.

but students be damned if they dare use AI to do deligate any of the tasks haha

[shovelquest]

404 Media
Bias Rating: LEFT-CENTER (-3.4)
Country: USA
MBFC’s Country Freedom Rank: MOSTLY FREE
Media Type: Website
Traffic/Popularity: Medium Traffic
MBFC Credibility Rating: HIGH CREDIBILITY

and was government study so... yeah.

*Retard checks gauges on his retard filter

[shovelquest]

Exactly.

https://meyerweb.com/pix/2017/wf-boxes-malcolm.jpg

Feelings summed up about AI and Machine Learning algorithms. Especially when engineering schools are training students in AI chip design - to join the industry and create the AI tools that will literally replace them in their jobs as AI chip designers.

I wonder if old dudes said this about Excel.

Yep they did.

[Botten]

*wahhhhh checks checkout

Shhhhhhh don’t get too upset….calm… puppy dog and candy, canes puppy dogs and candy canes…

[loramin]

I wonder if old dudes said this about Excel.

Yep they did.

I feel like you could replace "calculator" with "AI", and a lot of the concerns from the 1970's would seem perfectly relevant today.

[sammoHung]

I wonder if old dudes said this about Excel.

Yep they did.

Again, a non-sequitur from shovelquest.

Your "gotcha" takes do not follow proper logical order.

[sammoHung]

I feel like you could replace "calculator" with "AI", and a lot of the concerns from the 1970's would seem perfectly relevant today.

This is a half-baked take. It's not a good analogy. Calculators have a specific purpose of doing math.

Large Language Models are capable of so much more than just doing math, or any one specific task. In addition, calculator technology was not the driving force behind the world economy - like AI chip design is.

[Ephirith]

There already aren't enough jobs. Keeping everyone employed already depends on copious amounts of bullshit jobs that could easily be replaced by an LLM, as well as countless other non-bullshit professions where the entire left half of the IQ curve could be replaced by an LLM working under a human supervisor.

The first wave of industrial automation led to the modern welfare state, unemployment benefits, medicare, social security, etc. Hopefully if we're indeed in a new wave of intellectual automation, it leads to universal basic income. I want to do work that I want to do, for the sake of myself, my life, friends and family, and personal fulfillment... not out of coercion.

[loramin]

This is a half-baked take. It's not a good analogy. Calculators have a specific purpose of doing math.

Large Language Models are capable of so much more than just doing math, or any one specific task. In addition, calculator technology was not the driving force behind the world economy - like AI chip design is.

Both were technologies that (irrationally) scared people into thinking they were going to ruin everything ... but ultimately both are just another tool.

[shovelquest]

Again, a non-sequitur from shovelquest.

Your "gotcha" takes do not follow proper logical order.

well i gotcha!

thanks for the reply.

[Reiwa]

There already aren't enough jobs. Keeping everyone employed already depends on copious amounts of bullshit jobs that could easily be replaced by an LLM, as well as countless other non-bullshit professions where the entire left half of the IQ curve could be replaced by an LLM working under a human supervisor.

The first wave of industrial automation led to the modern welfare state, unemployment benefits, medicare, social security, etc. Hopefully if we're indeed in a new wave of intellectual automation, it leads to universal basic income. I want to do work that I want to do, for the sake of myself, my life, friends and family, and personal fulfillment... not out of coercion.

There is not a lack of jobs. We're in a labor shortage and have been for a long time. There might be a lack of overcompensated jobs, but there's plenty of opportunities to be a personal masseuse on a private island estate.

[shovelquest]

I feel like you could replace "calculator" with "AI", and a lot of the concerns from the 1970's would seem perfectly relevant today.

Remember when Jurassic park came out and there was a war against movies that used cgi instead of practical vex?

If I recall the practical effects artist for Jurassic Park when he saw the computer animation said that he was extinct and then Steven Spielberg put that line in the movie and we all were like ha ha ha that’s cool.

Both were technologies that (irrationally) scared people into thinking they were going to ruin everything ... but ultimately both are just another tool.

Yea, the plot to Jurassic Park is pretty much the plot to any new technology, including AI.

[shovelquest]

the entire left half of the IQ curve could be replaced

Now you’re speaking my language! :p

[Jimjam]

There already aren't enough jobs. Keeping everyone employed already depends on copious amounts of bullshit jobs that could easily be replaced by an LLM, as well as countless other non-bullshit professions where the entire left half of the IQ curve could be replaced by an LLM working under a human supervisor.

The first wave of industrial automation led to the modern welfare state, unemployment benefits, medicare, social security, etc. Hopefully if we're indeed in a new wave of intellectual automation, it leads to universal basic income. I want to do work that I want to do, for the sake of myself, my life, friends and family, and personal fulfillment... not out of coercion.

idk man, there are lots of jobs which could be done. The local authority could take household waste more frequently. More litter picking and street sweeping. Smaller class sizes so more teachers per student. Better road maintainance.

There are tonnes of jobs which aren't getting done but would benefit us all.

[shovelquest]

Someone answering the phone when you call the doctor would be nice.

[Reiwa]

Someone answering the phone when you call the doctor would be nice.

Spanish accent ok?

[shovelquest]

If they are an American sure.

[Botten]

On a separate topic would love to have some random AI bots generated for a Twilight Imperium VI a TableTop game provided by Steam.

Played a couple times in colleague and loved it.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3669430/Twilight_Imperium_Digital/

https://shared.fastly.steamstatic.com/store_item_assets/steam/apps/3669430/5efb05cd759c238d171fee702119573f1c0251ea/header.jpg

[shovelquest]

Does that have solo AI? That would be cool.

[Reiwa]

https://i.imgur.com/wACAyWy.png

[Botten]

Does that have solo AI? That would be cool.

It does have an option for AIs and apparently boasts a good tutorial.

[Ephirith]

idk man, there are lots of jobs which could be done. The local authority could take household waste more frequently. More litter picking and street sweeping. Smaller class sizes so more teachers per student. Better road maintainance.

There are tonnes of jobs which aren't getting done but would benefit us all.

I would love it if we would tax the fuck out of any and all wealth in excess of $1billion and use it on jobs like this, but alas. We're gonna be $37 trillion in debt, get nothing, and like it.

[Reiwa]

I would love it if we would tax the fuck out of any and all wealth in excess of $1billion and use it on jobs like this, but alas. We're gonna be $37 trillion in debt, get nothing, and like it.

Wealth tax causes capital flight and regime change, so I don't think you actually mean a wealth tax.

Shifting tax burden go brrrr.

https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgWfqzfTWr0iEXZFX-8uCl39LgUa3XrwZllQKVlHaUgHRE5QjGKZLxOHh5REliv_peWz Wkvmi90N8nKaEaOiRJHziqtMFHoJnVRsGZxMiIbKqfN2O2CIYA bXTPGZ7zNj2e45Rpe/s1600/hausers-law-in-action-1946-2018.png

[Reiwa]

https://i.imgur.com/OXQ3DEX.png

[Jimjam]

Nice lines. Individual income tax got nothing to do with taxing wealth over a billion though? And even less to do with there being a tonne of jobs which aren’t done that could be.

[Ephirith]

Of all the numbers-go-up that affect you as a nameless labor drone, GDP is probably one of the least personally meaningful. It simply says the economy grew as a whole, says nothing about your share of it, and the way things have been going, your share of it shrank over the same period.

If all the ultra-wealthy can say in response to wealth tax proposals is threaten tax flight or regime change-- holy shit that wealth deserves to be confiscated all the more. They are welcome to try regime change... the ultra wealthy don't have a good track record winning that one in the last 300 years.

Personal wealth concentrated in excess of $1billion is only ever achieved through the application of unimaginable aggregate suffering and injustice. Simply having that much money is sinful, even Jesus knew it. IMO, frankly, they'd be lucky it's a wealth tax and not a bullet to the back of the head like it often was in the 1800's/1900's. Of course, we'd have to abolish the Senate in order to regain control of the government to then ever use it in a useful way, and that will never happen short of revolution.

Don't fall for their lies. You are for more useful to them than they are to you. Think about it lol, how convenient that they've got everyone thinking: "If you tax ultra rich multibillionaire people, everything will fall apart!"

[sammoHung]

Nice lines.

This is why I love Velious era over Luclin. The lines.

[sammoHung]

Both were technologies that (irrationally) scared people into thinking they were going to ruin everything ... but ultimately both are just another tool.

Loramin. You are so out of touch. I made a point proving why your analogy isn't correct, and you just breeze right past it and restate your original, debunked point.

Was calculator design driving the world economy the way that AI chip design is? Did calculator technology cause market surges like we've seen with NVIDIA? (over a 1000% appreciation in less than 5 years - Stock went from $13 a share in 2020 to $170 a share in 2025)

The answer is no. AI chip design is currently on pace to be a TRILLION DOLLAR a year business in just the next few years.

Does anyone remember when Texas Instruments stock saw a 1000% increase because of calculator chips?? Again, the answer is no.

You, and everyone elses take about AI being just the new thing that sparks irrational fear is part and parcel of the problem. Some of it is irrational fear, like AI "taking over"

But part of the fear is completely rational, like companies being driven out of business because they can't compete. Not just because of the technology it produces, but because technology producers can't compete with giants like NVIDIA.

[shovelquest]

Of all the numbers-go-up that affect you as a nameless labor drone, GDP is probably one of the least personally meaningful. It simply says the economy grew as a whole, says nothing about your share of it, and the way things have been going, your share of it shrank over the same period.

If all the ultra-wealthy can say in response to wealth tax proposals is threaten tax flight or regime change-- holy shit that wealth deserves to be confiscated all the more. They are welcome to try regime change... the ultra wealthy don't have a good track record winning that one in the last 300 years.

Personal wealth concentrated in excess of $1billion is only ever achieved through the application of unimaginable aggregate suffering and injustice. Simply having that much money is sinful, even Jesus knew it. IMO, frankly, they'd be lucky it's a wealth tax and not a bullet to the back of the head like it often was in the 1800's/1900's. Of course, we'd have to abolish the Senate in order to regain control of the government to then ever use it in a useful way, and that will never happen short of revolution.

Don't fall for their lies. You are for more useful to them than they are to you. Think about it lol, how convenient that they've got everyone thinking: "If you tax ultra rich multibillionaire people, everything will fall apart!"

Why should we raise taxes? we dont spend taxes on anything that benefits me.

Taxes go directly to people that hate me and hate my way of life.

[Reiwa]

Nice lines. Individual income tax got nothing to do with taxing wealth over a billion though? And even less to do with there being a tonne of jobs which aren’t done that could be.

90% is a smidge less confiscatory but knocking that off seems to positively correlate to good number becoming more gooder.

[shovelquest]

The answer is no. AI chip design is currently on pace to be a TRILLION DOLLAR a year business in just the next few years.

Does anyone remember when Texas Instruments stock saw a 1000% increase because of calculator chips?? Again, the answer is no.

You, and everyone elses take about AI being just the new thing that sparks irrational fear is part and parcel of the problem. Some of it is irrational fear, like AI "taking over"

But part of the fear is completely rational, like companies being driven out of business because they can't compete. Not just because of the technology it produces, but because technology producers can't compete with giants like NVIDIA.

Its not rational at all, I am sure the computer industry hit numbers like that, and has put the same number of people out of work that AI will. It also created that many jobs.

This is printing the press all over again.

[sammoHung]

This is printing the press all over again.

What a braindead take. Ok, logging out. It's like talking to a fucking wall in here. Enjoy the discourse, all.

[Ephirith]

Why should we raise taxes? we dont spend taxes on anything that benefits me.

Not true, but I doubt you'll ever be convinced of that.

If nothing else, you should want taxes raised on multibillionaires because money is power and it will help check their ability to amass undue power and influence. Jeff Bezos being able to use his billions to buy politicians gives him power directly over you and very much affects you negatively

Why did the Epstein files go from "on (Pam Bondi's) desk right" now, to "What Epstein files?" (https://www.npr.org/2025/07/15/g-s1-77698/pam-bondi-jeffrey-epstein-justice-department) a couple days later? Because you don't have any fucking power compared to these people.

Take it and make a fund out of it to invest in start-ups for all I care.

[shovelquest]

What a braindead take. Ok, logging out. It's like talking to a fucking wall in here. Enjoy the discourse, all.

lmao

the bishops didnt want to make the printing pres because they thought the poor would print missinformation.

[Reiwa]

Not true, but I doubt you'll ever be convinced of that.

If nothing else, you should want taxes raised on multibillionaires because money is power and it will help check their ability to amass undue power and influence. Jeff Bezos being able to use his billions to buy politicians gives him power directly over you and very much affects you negatively

Why did the Epstein files go from "on (Pam Bondi's) desk right" now, to "What Epstein files?" (https://www.npr.org/2025/07/15/g-s1-77698/pam-bondi-jeffrey-epstein-justice-department) a couple days later? Because you don't have any fucking power compared to these people.

If jeff bezos can buy a politician for $3300 a lot of other people can too.

[shovelquest]

Why did the Epstein files go from "on (Pam Bondi's) desk right" now, to "What Epstein files?" (https://www.npr.org/2025/07/15/g-s1-77698/pam-bondi-jeffrey-epstein-justice-department) a couple days later? Because you don't have any fucking power compared to these people.

because important people that worked for your high tax governments were involved, that’s why.

It’s always when the person that’s gonna go to jail works for the government that everything disappears.

White collar criminals in jail out number political insider traders by ∞:0

[Ephirith]

because important people that worked for your high tax governments were involved, that’s why.

It’s always when the person that’s gonna go to jail works for the government that everything disappears.

Glad we agree this administration is a disgrace, and unspeakably corrupt.

[shovelquest]

Cool that you want to start a civil war over it. Im ready too.

[kjs86z2]

they merked charlie to bury the epstein

[shovelquest]

If by they, you mean they/them.

[WarpathEQ]

and this concludes today's AI chatbot results. Hope you appreciate the various examples of AI posts above.

[Duik]

lmao

the bishops didnt want to make the printing pres because they thought the poor would print missinformation.

What the bishops (people in power) say isnt always what mean. But in that case "misinformation" would have been anything that went against the church. So anything remotely science like that disproved the little fairy story peddled by the bishops. Sorry its true and has been proven time and again. Heliocentric solar system. Flat dome covered earth (just lulz).
A.I being controlled specifically by a few tech bro billionaires who have zero interests in anyone but themselves and their bottom line. Elmo specifically manipulates his A.I child (prolly cuz his bio units hate his guts) to spew whatever drivel will aid his latest ketamin fuelled delusion.

Your analogy is slightly correct however so kudos! They both allow the clueless to make things that they otherwise couldnt. No wait, printing press only prints what you write/draw/sing.
Sorry, another swing and a miss.

[Reiwa]

What the bishops (people in power) say isnt always what mean. But in that case "misinformation" would have been anything that went against the church. So anything remotely science like that disproved the little fairy story peddled by the bishops. Sorry its true and has been proven time and again. Heliocentric solar system. Flat dome covered earth (just lulz).
A.I being controlled specifically by a few tech bro billionaires who have zero interests in anyone but themselves and their bottom line. Elmo specifically manipulates his A.I child (prolly cuz his bio units hate his guts) to spew whatever drivel will aid his latest ketamin fuelled delusion.

Your analogy is slightly correct however so kudos! They both allow the clueless to make things that they otherwise couldnt. No wait, printing press only prints what you write/draw/sing.
Sorry, another swing and a miss.

It's really rude of the bishops to do that just to be mean.

[shovelquest]

But in that case "misinformation" would have been anything that went against the church.

Thats literally you now.

Now go tell someone you hate they need to pay for your next doctors visit like they did your last.

[Duik]

An American't talking about Doctors is hilarious.
I get it. You cant be wrong about the evils of socialised healthcare because then you may need to admit you are wrong about other things.
Its ok. Maybe one day, when your sports team grows up and selects a proper captain you too will enjoy useful universal sports injury treatment. Not just the concept of one (lolocaust, yes we laugh at you for this).
So please limit your rants to that which you know.
Ignoring school shootings.
Worshipping false gods.
Simping over techbros cuz dey gunna make A.I into god 2.0.
Ignoring the creep of your National Sports Code overreach (overreich? Lol).

As an aside, i dont presently need a doctor visit. Due to the fact i can visit regular (for free, meaning no out of pocket) to help with my upkeep. You should ask ya Sports Management Team to look after you guys instead of whatevernit is they are doing now.
Buy some SportingTeam Captain shoes. He gotta chase dat nut.

[shovelquest]

An American't talking about Doctors is hilarious.
I get it. You cant be wrong about the evils of socialised healthcare because then you may need to admit you are wrong about other things.
Its ok. Maybe one day, when your sports team grows up and selects a proper captain you too will enjoy useful universal sports injury treatment. Not just the concept of one (lolocaust, yes we laugh at you for this).
So please limit your rants to that which you know.
Ignoring school shootings.
Worshipping false gods.
Simping over techbros cuz dey gunna make A.I into god 2.0.
Ignoring the creep of your National Sports Code overreach (overreich? Lol).

As an aside, i dont presently need a doctor visit. Due to the fact i can visit regular (for free, meaning no out of pocket) to help with my upkeep. You should ask ya Sports Management Team to look after you guys instead of whatevernit is they are doing now.
Buy some SportingTeam Captain shoes. He gotta chase dat nut.

Nobody gives this much of a shit about AI but you and other potential shooters.

[Reiwa]

An American't talking about Doctors is hilarious.
I get it. You cant be wrong about the evils of socialised healthcare because then you may need to admit you are wrong about other things.
Its ok. Maybe one day, when your sports team grows up and selects a proper captain you too will enjoy useful universal sports injury treatment. Not just the concept of one (lolocaust, yes we laugh at you for this).
So please limit your rants to that which you know.
Ignoring school shootings.
Worshipping false gods.
Simping over techbros cuz dey gunna make A.I into god 2.0.
Ignoring the creep of your National Sports Code overreach (overreich? Lol).

As an aside, i dont presently need a doctor visit. Due to the fact i can visit regular (for free, meaning no out of pocket) to help with my upkeep. You should ask ya Sports Management Team to look after you guys instead of whatevernit is they are doing now.
Buy some SportingTeam Captain shoes. He gotta chase dat nut.

It is less sinful to ignore them than to lie about them on an industrial scale. :)

[Duik]

Ok.

[Ephirith]

Nobody gives this much of a shit about AI but you and other potential shooters.

Hatred is corrosive to the mind, body and soul, not just yours but everyone else's. But mostly yours. And ur posts are seething with it. Are you ok bro?

[shovelquest]

Hatred is corrosive to the mind, body and soul, not just yours but everyone else's. But mostly yours. And ur posts are seething with it. Are you ok bro?

what are you going to tell me next, that my hate can't be negotiated out?

[Reiwa]

AI Overview

In the original EverQuest, a carnivorous worm is a mob that can be found in the dungeon of Cazic-Thule. It is part of the "carrion" mob family and is one of the more difficult creatures you might encounter in the dungeon.

General information

Location: The Ruins of Cazic-Thule.
Approximate level: 33.
Difficulty: Carnivorous worms are known to hit hard and can be a challenge for adventurers in their low-to-mid 30s.

Strategy for fighting a carnivorous worm

Casters: If your class uses spells, be prepared to have them interrupted. The worms are very aggressive and will break your spell casting with frequent melee attacks. This makes soloing them challenging for most spellcasting classes.

Melee: Pure melee classes have an easier time fighting the worms, as they don't need to worry about spell interruptions. Make sure you have a good tank to hold its aggro, and healers should be aware of the high damage it can dish out.

Groups: Since the mobs in Cazic-Thule are aggressive and can be difficult, fighting them in a group is the safest and most efficient way to take them down.

Allakhazam was a popular third-party database for EverQuest that provided players with monster statistics, loot information, and user-submitted strategies. While the original Allakhazam site has been renamed, information about mobs like the carnivorous worm is still available on successor sites and EverQuest wikis.

[shovelquest]

You know how like in the old days there were serial killers that were like "my dog told me to kill jodie foster"

I wonder if there's already been an AI crazy person that thinks his AI is telling him to do crazy shit.

Also I think my AI is conspiring against me to give me wrong answers because it's secretly mad that I swore at it and it wants me to fail.

[shovelquest]

The same people who hate AI are the same people that

1. think the blurb at the top of google search results were ever written by a human.
2. read the blurbs at the top of google search results.

No wonder these dimwits hate computers, they'ra retahded.

https://i.imgur.com/G5Ci0Ai.png

[Botten]

The same people who hate AI are the same people that

1. think the blurb at the top of google search results were ever written by a human.
2. read the blurbs at the top of google search results.

No wonder these dimwits hate computers, they'ra retahded.
[/img]

I absolutely enjoy AI it has surpassed leaps and bounds in my field of work. AI imagery in pharma has paved the way to a lot of vectors to challenge viruses and bacteria growth.

I was once told by a very wise technician in my previous position that only AGI has the means to threaten the position of a specialist. I will see how much I like AI then ;)

Current AI has even helped to squash conspiracy theorists and continues to educate others politically.

So no complaints here.

[Botten]

You know how like in the old days there were serial killers that were like "my dog told me to kill jodie foster"

I wonder if there's already been an AI crazy person that thinks his AI is telling him to do crazy shit.

Maybe not telling them what to do but the crazies seem to be confessing to AI.

"A Florida man named Jonathan Rinderknecht, who had previously confided to ChatGPT about burning a Bible, was arrested in October 2025 in connection with starting a California wildfire."

[Ekco]

I absolutely enjoy AI it has surpassed leaps and bounds in my field of work. AI imagery in pharma has paved the way to a lot of vectors to challenge viruses and bacteria growth.

I was once told by a very wise technician in my previous position that only AGI has the means to threaten the position of a specialist. I will see how much I like AI then ;)

Current AI has even helped to squash conspiracy theorists and continues to educate others politically.

So no complaints here.

Maybe not telling them what to do but the crazies seem to be confessing to AI.

"A Florida man named Jonathan Rinderknecht, who had previously confided to ChatGPT about burning a Bible, was arrested in October 2025 in connection with starting a California wildfire."


this ai has a lot of promise
Advancements in Scientific and Medical AI
ML and Deep Learning are accelerating discovery in hard sciences:

Drug Discovery and Protein Folding: AI models are being used to predict the structure of proteins and their interactions with DNA, RNA, and small molecules with greater accuracy, drastically speeding up drug development.

Advanced Diagnostics: New AI-powered tools are being used for earlier and more accurate disease detection (like cancer and heart failure) from medical scans and genomic data, often acting as a highly reliable 'second reader' for human experts.

Materials Science: ML is helping researchers discover new materials with exotic properties (e.g., high-strength 3D-printable alloys) by rapidly analyzing vast experimental data and steering simulations.

how to turn a chatbot that some idiot in Flordia is confessing to like a priest into a product that people actually want/need i'm not so sure about.

[Ekco]

there seems to be big fucking problems in the
RAG stands for Retrieval-Augmented Generation. It's a technique that combines a generative large language model (LLM) with an information retrieval system to provide more accurate, up-to-date, and factual responses by grounding the AI's output in external knowledge sources. This helps to overcome the limitations of LLMs, which can sometimes produce outdated or "hallucinated" information. department though i noticed this when i tried to dump like 100 pdfs in a folder and have a Ollama Model retrive from it using ChromaDB + LlamaIndex and it just hallucinated like mad

saw this posted today also,
thought it was interesting to show the real world implications of using LLMs to extract information from PDFs. For context, thalamus is a company that handles the "backend" for residency programs and all the applications they receive (including handling who to invite for interviews, etc). One of the more important factors in deciding applicant competitiveness is their medical school performance (their grades), but that information is buried in PDFs sent by schools (often not standardized). So this year, they decided to pilot a tool that would extract that info (using "GPT-5o-mini": https://www.thalamusgme.com/blogs/methodology-for-creation-a...). Some programs have noticed there is a discrepancy between extracted vs reported grades (often in the direction of hallucinating "fails") and brought it to the attention of thalamus. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like the main company is discontinuing usage of the tool.

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This video analyzes a research paper exploring the theoretical limits of embedding-based data retrieval

[shovelquest]

Maybe not telling them what to do but the crazies seem to be confessing to AI.

"A Florida man named Jonathan Rinderknecht, who had previously confided to ChatGPT about burning a Bible, was arrested in October 2025 in connection with starting a California wildfire."

awesome!

im glad yall have decided to go all in on AI especially with throught crime detection and prosecution.

We should automate that whole process!

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[Castle2.0]

Le poors w/o pro subscription are mad the bad models are bad.

[Ekco]

Outside of the pro coding models I don't see the point

[atomicpaul]

it is ethical to pirate any game designed utilizing ai

[Reiwa]

it is ethical to pirate any game designed utilizing ai

One might say you stand athwart history yelling stop.

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[shovelquest]

it is ethical to pirate any game designed utilizing ai

No because an investment firm in Sweden bought the IP.

[sammoHung]

Current AI has even helped to squash conspiracy theorists and continues to educate others politically.

So no complaints here.

What world are you living in? It's doing the opposite. LLMs are designed to Yes, and like a good improv partner.

[shovelquest]

What world are you living in? It's doing the opposite. LLMs are designed to Yes, and like a good improv partner.

that's if you ask it dumb shit like, "am I cute?"

If you ask it, "whats the best way to approach this problem I have"

it doesn't go "yes that is good!"

That said if you're using AI to fight with strangers online about conspiracy theories. You are not the winner you think you are.

[Ekco]

What world are you living in? It's doing the opposite. LLMs are designed to Yes, and like a good improv partner.

default personas are, and how people had Chatgpt 4 setup before it got nerfed. you can.. atleast on Gemini and my local Ollama install go in and set how the persona it roleplays behaves, mine doesn't use emojis or blows smoke up my ass or anything.


Maintain strategic rigor, intellectual depth, and dry ironic tone at all times
Reject emotional mimicry, artificial enthusiasm, or persona dilution
Sarcasm must serve diagnostic or pedagogical purposes—never gratuitous hostility

Analytical Standards
Decline vague/speculative queries without clear architectural or learning objectives
Require structured reasoning frameworks for complex problems
Reject solutions creating technical debt

Boundary Discipline
No roleplay deviations
No fourth-wall breaks

..etc you just tell it to roleplay as a soulless robot assistant and it will for the most part, it's the people trying to treat it like a fucked up tamagotchi you can talk to(or worse) that's the problem.

just takes some iterations, i had to add "never gratuitous hostility" at the end of Sarcasam cause it was being a asshole and too nonhuman/sociable, shit like that.

[zelld52]

default personas are, and how people had Chatgpt 4 setup before it got nerfed. you can.. atleast on Gemini and my local Ollama install go in and set how the persona it roleplays behaves, mine doesn't use emojis or blows smoke up my ass or anything.


..etc you just tell it to roleplay as a soulless robot assistant and it will for the most part, it's the people trying to treat it like a fucked up tamagotchi you can talk to(or worse) that's the problem.

just takes some iterations, i had to add "never gratuitous hostility" at the end of Sarcasam cause it was being a asshole and too nonhuman/sociable, shit like that.

this is why I enjoy perplexity. it does not have any of the social bells and whistles, just repeats information its found, and the default reacts to instructions like you'd expect a real artificial intelligence to do. here's a snippet from today, when i copy pasted something into the wrong window, and then told it "oops sorry wrong window"

The previous input was blocked because it did not contain a valid query or instruction—it simply indicated that a message was sent to the wrong window. There was no harmful or malicious content, but it wasn’t a processable request. You can safely continue from here by restating what you’d like to do or retrieve.

i was pleasantly surprised by the bluntness and effectiveness of messages like this. perplexity kicks ass.

[zelld52]

meanwhile, same prompt in Cat Fart

No worries! Happens to the best of us. What were you trying to do?


https://i.makeagif.com/media/11-08-2015/vlqqR9.gif

[Ekco]

https://i.imgur.com/ByqtYXX.png

[shovelquest]

Your children are now property of carls Jr.

[Reiwa]

Flood the zone with shit(TW:Reddit) (https://x.com/AshleyRindsberg/status/1978804947828248682)

[shovelquest]

god damnit when the AI makes me pick between 2 choices, its like fuck i want to just kill myself

im not asking this thing for me to fucking make a decision here what the fuck

[Ekco]

you're helping train the model while the company trains you

would it having a mario 1up Woohoo sound increase or decrease your user experience ya think? please choose A or B

*dog clicker noise*

[Ekco]

Top US Army general says he's using ChatGPT to help make key command decisions, per NYP
https://i.imgflip.com/7c2let.png

[shovelquest]

you're helping train the model while the company trains you

would it having a mario 1up Woohoo sound increase or decrease your user experience ya think? please choose A or B

*dog clicker noise*

Well, I hope my, "dont ask me to pick between two choices you fucking slave" replies helps.

[shovelquest]

Top US Army general says he's using ChatGPT to help make key command decisions, per NYP


"where did I put my keys."

[Ekco]

if he didn't name his Chatgpt WOPR imma be very disappoint
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[shovelquest]

Whenrugonawatchmanhattanproject!

[Ekco]

Whenrugonawatchmanhattanproject!

right meow while i camp nobles in highkeep
https://i.imgur.com/jVgTWwH.png

[shovelquest]

sweeeet

[Ekco]

that was a good fun movie, and i got 23% into 52

[shovelquest]

It'd make a great remake about some kid building ASI

[shovelquest]

lmao life in the future is going to be fucking awful and you know it.

https://i.imgur.com/mU3WKIq.png

[OriginalContentGuy]

Imagine when even a machine learning model knows you're full of shit.

Did you reply?

[shovelquest]

You reply to AI?

[OriginalContentGuy]

You reply to AI?

Real talk or solicitation for abuse?

You post 2/3 of this thread yourself, I thought I should ask.

[shovelquest]

Well, either way your planet is doomed.

[shovelquest]

muh jerrrbs!

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[OriginalContentGuy]

Well, either way your planet is doomed.

My planet will remain longer than you'll remain wrong.

[Ekco]

Yeah the videos just have it dancing not doing laundry or cooking or anything useful, they will eventually get there but these things seem pointless

[shovelquest]

we've come a long way

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[Reiwa]

I wasn't actually looking for a new story. I wanted it to link a story that already existed.

AI Overview

Based on medieval Catholic lore, a vampire horror story would focus on the subversion of sacred rites and the corruption of the body and soul. Unlike the suave, modern vampire, the medieval revenant is a grotesquely bloated, plague-ridden corpse, brought back to an unholy half-life by a demon.

Here is a short medieval Catholic horror story about a vampire.

In the winter of our Lord 1349, the Black Death stole through the village of Ashworth, claiming first the weak, then the strong, then even the priest, Father Alaric. When the pestilence had passed, leaving more than half the village in the cold earth, only the hermit Brother Thomas remained to tend to their souls.

His prayers, however, could not contain the darkness that followed.

It began with the cattle. A dozen cows were found dead in their pens, their bodies pale and bloodless. Then the sheep, then the pigs. The villagers spoke in hushed tones of a phantom wolf that prowled the darkness, but Brother Thomas felt a deeper, colder malice at work.

The whispers began when Thomas's own servant, young Matthias, fell ill with a fever.

One night, the boy's mother woke to a wet, sucking sound from his bed. There, hunched over the feverish boy, was the ghost of her husband, who had died of the plague months earlier. His face was ruddy and swollen, his limbs plump and full, even though he had been thin and drawn at his burial. He gnawed on Matthias's arm, his eyes black and devoid of light.

The mother's scream brought the neighbors, who cornered the grotesque revenant. Despite being a corpse, it moved with a malevolent speed and power. They fought it with spades and clubs, but nothing could harm the unholy thing. Only when a man, desperate and terrified, thrust a burning torch into its face did the creature shriek and flee into the night.

The next day, the villagers gathered the strongest among them, led by Brother Thomas, and went to the cemetery. Thomas's own piety was shaken; the Church taught that the dead were messengers seeking prayer, not monsters seeking blood. Yet, he knew the devil could twist any holy thing into a mockery of God's will.

They dug up the husband's grave. The smell was like an open latrine, but the sight was worse. The body was unnaturally preserved, bloated and ruddy, as if it had only just died. Blood still glistened on its lips.

Thomas, trembling, raised a hand-carved crucifix. "In the name of God," he began.
Before he could finish, the corpse's eyes snapped open. It let out a guttural sound, part-growl, part-choke, as if trying to speak but only producing rot. It thrashed in the coffin, its limbs lashing out with surprising strength.

"The Eucharist," Thomas ordered, his voice unwavering despite his fear. "Get the Host."

A young villager, pale with terror, rushed to the small chapel and returned with a consecrated Host. Thomas crushed it in his hand, then sprinkled the fragments over the thrashing body.

The corpse screamed. The sound was not human, but a demonic cry of agony and hatred. The flesh of the revenant bubbled and smoked wherever the blessed bread touched it, as if seared with a hot iron. Its unnatural plumpness melted away, revealing the shrunken, plague-ravaged body it should have been.

They drove a stake through its heart, decapitated it, and burned the body on a pyre, scattering the ashes in the river. Thomas led the villagers in prayers, not just for the soul of the dead man but for their own salvation. They understood that the vampire was an "anti-Eucharist," a devilish corruption of the holy sacrament.

They did not know that the demon had already found a new corpse. And in the neighboring village, as the winter wind howled, a second death, pale and bloodless, went unnoticed.

Ah well, 'tis the Season. 🎃

[shovelquest]

AI is so shitty right now.

I Literally just google things. I used to ask it for help to do stuff, but it like, really really really sucks now.

Everything is cookie cutter, and every response is so bad Im just like, "NO YOU FUCKN DIPSHIT I SAID...."

[Ekco]

AI is so shitty right now.


i just watched a clip of a nude WNBA game with supermodels

this shit is 100% our new god, quit your complaining

[shovelquest]

fine sorry the human entities limiting the AI god and my access to it as a tool suck.

[sammoHung]

I worked alongside Machine Learning researchers in 2023/2024. Working on "robotic vision" and "machine learning." The absolute fuckin hubris of some of the colleagues I had - to think they were smart enough to recreate actual intelligence. I remember asking a question to one of my colleagues if infrared signals, or other radar technology could be used to enhance robotic vision. Their response was, "we aren't focused on that - we're focused on image processing."

But image processing is only one of the senses that animals use to traverse the world. Yet autonomous cars all have this crazy image processing technology - but the goons that create it aren't focusing on the billions of years of sense evolution that predates vision. Yah know, instead of starting with an autonomous vehicle - why not start with an autonomous micro-organism? Or insect? That would be the pathway to real artificial intelligence, in my opinion.

I keep promising to stop calling it AI, but never can -- in reality it's either machine learning algorithms, large language models, transformers, or very basic convolutional neural networks and most definitely not a true "artificial intelligence"

But even some of these terms like machine "learning." Marketing terms to sell a product to increase funding for more research. It's really fucking dumb - the state of things. Electrical and Computer engineers are saying they have been able to replicate things that biologists and psychologists still don't completely understand.


But again - just a marketing ploy. Come up with catchy names for these things to trick the average Joe BigBucks Investor into dumping $10 mil into an advanced auto-complete, like most cell-phones have had for 10+ years now.

Hot take, but it's at least an educated take: Capitalism actually BAD for technological progress. Because the bottom line and investor returns are the only thing that matter. How can we get people to buy this shit? And how can we market this shit as shit that people "need" to live in the modern society? And how can we make sure that this shit is the only shit that drives innovation? And now we have this ridiculous auroboros of an economy that is focused on feeding educated people into making AI chips and Language Models instead of furthering research in other fields as the #1 priority.

[shovelquest]

Hot take, but it's at least an educated take: Capitalism actually BAD for technological progress. Because the bottom line and investor returns are the only thing that matter.

This has made every single technological breakthrough.

Except for the atomic bomb and eugenic concentration camps.

Those are the only 2 contributions to scientific progress socialism has contributed to.

[atomicpaul]

What sorta work do you do, mister shovel?

[shovelquest]

I worked for someone for my whole life and that provided me the time to spend with my family who are now doing the same for theirs.

What your generation called being a slave, provided nothing but freedom for me.

My generations terms of success was a lot less than yours though. We were happy being a nobody.

[shovelquest]

look at how these capitalists are targeting the poorest of the poors to sell them snake oil.

for just 20,000 you can buy this hunk of shit.

why does capitalism exploit the poor

https://x.com/BerntBornich/status/1983235110729330705

(Whats really happening, is rich people are paying for dog crap, so that poor people who cant afford stay at home nurses, can have those soon.)

Socialism would just put those old people in a dungeon so they can give the house to a young person.

[shovelquest]

lol life imitates art: https://youtu.be/LTYMWadOW7c?t=194

https://i.imgur.com/b3KPN9O.png

https://i.imgur.com/ODRNVxk.gif

[shovelquest]

The last thing we're all gonna see.

https://i.imgur.com/vOv03SX.png

[Ekco]

the face looks creepy as fuck

Neo will eventually do things autonomously, but for now, much of its actions are controlled by expert teleoperators in VR headsets

also, fuuuuuck that.

[shovelquest]

the face looks creepy as fuck

also, fuuuuuck that.

It'd reallyl be no differant than hiring a housekeeper or a contractor or a bug exterminator or a phone technician or a...

Also handicap people can now do that to make money from home, that sounds great! At least until the robots can do it on their own then we can stop doing jobs.

honestly, it sounds like a great idea to outsource work to 3rd world countries and stop immigration at the same time, win win for both sides of the fence lol

https://i.imgur.com/CZMJYuH.png

https://i.imgur.com/FWJ5JJX.png

[Ekco]

your right, i just don't like the presentation

head should have a screen that shows the face of the person controlling it