Enough with the alliances

[sammoHung]

Title.

[DillPickerson]

Why?

[shovelquest]

Post.

[sammoHung]

Why?

Here's what winds up happening:

6 guilds qualify for the Draft. All 6 guilds get their Draft picks. Seems like the server is in for great competition come natural spawns / quakes.

But - when natural spawns / quakes happen - there's actually only 3 raid forces contributing to the competition. 2 of the Draft guilds get folded into their Alliance raid force, while the 6th guild doesn't compete with the high-value targets.

So it would seem on Draft day that there are 6 (about to be 7) raid forces that are ready to compete.. when realistically it's only 2 zerg forces with 120+ players, and 1 large guild with 60-70 raiding.

When joining one of the non-draft qualifying guilds, they are ALL tied to an Alliance. They are either feeder guilds, or they have an agreement to basically be raid-bots for one of the larger entities.

There are no more independent entities on Green (except, seemingly Kingdom)

[Ibex]

Why is that a problem? I'm not being an obtuse dick, just genuinely curious why that is a problem.

[shovelquest]

Cus alliances make every guild the zerg.

[WarpathEQ]

Conversely you get a system that creates <Marginal Threats> of the world who were created by members of the large draft guilds to grift the draft by splitting into a smaller faction to take additional draft mobs and hold Lady N for 40 minutes on every quake

[shovelquest]

Im just glad OP isn't a commie slug and wants individuals to start up competition again.

[sammoHung]

Why is that a problem? I'm not being an obtuse dick, just genuinely curious why that is a problem.

Well, from a few viewpoints:

As someone who enjoys raid competition in the true sense of pitting skilled players against each other
- It makes every raid a zergfest. Skill doesn't matter when you have the zerg of 3 guilds combined to take down Jorlleag. Especially in the gear that people have accumulated over the course of 4 years of Velious: Every raid can be done with 42-48 players. Maybe you want 60 for Vulak, Tunare, AoW, Dain and Yelinak.. but not for every single raid. With the zerg comes also lack of responsibility on raid mishaps. Train at Eashen's Peak? Hope your OBS has a good angle to see which one of the zerg trained wyverns on top of 200 players.

As someone who just wants to raid casually
- There is precisely 1 "Casual" raid guild left. Every other guild is either one of the "top" guilds or an appendix to one of the top guilds. There will be no new guilds breaking in to the raiding scene, unless they are spin-offs of existing guilds - or as Warpath mentioned - a way to grift the Draft system. Boy, do I miss <The Drift>

As someone who despises CSR disputes, the UN, and people who find ways to skirt the rules
- I've seen it happen, but it continues no doubt --- Guild A and Guild B are in alliance. Guild B is the smaller guild. Guild B "accidentally" trains Guild C, a competing guild. Guild B admits wrongdoing and concedes 3. But Guild A faces no consequences - despite the fact that Guilds A and B were teamed up for the encounter. Like I said, I've seen this happen.

[shovelquest]

Competition is unfair.

[lampinlol]

Priest of Discord has been trying to tell us: there's only one solution.

[spoil]

As someone who just wants to raid casually
- There is precisely 1 "Casual" raid guild left. Every other guild is either one of the "top" guilds or an appendix to one of the top guilds.


Is that LoF?

[sammoHung]

Is that LoF?

Yes.

I heard Castle, Safe Space and Good Guys all teamed up against Kingdom on Vulak this weekend. Of course Good Guys also encompasses "Lineage Alliance" which is guilds like Smoking Lounge, etc, Castle includes the "Castle Alliance" which has guilds like Ancient Blood, etc. 130 people in the Good Castle Space team up. Max raid capacity for future xpac raid feature was 72.

This server is beyond fixing. Wipe it, Rogean!

[Mortdecai99]

Yes.

I heard Castle, Safe Space and Good Guys all teamed up against Kingdom on Vulak this weekend. Of course Good Guys also encompasses "Lineage Alliance" which is guilds like Smoking Lounge, etc, Castle includes the "Castle Alliance" which has guilds like Ancient Blood, etc. 130 people in the Good Castle Space team up. Max raid capacity for future xpac raid feature was 72.

This server is beyond fixing. Wipe it, Rogean!

Good guys we're not involved.

[Dgc2002]

Good guys we're not involved.

GG held the final blocker for 40 minutes waiting for trips wurms to respawn which both CASS and GG need for their Vulak engage.
GG had no cothers at Vulak.
GG were coth'd up and DPS'd Vulak.

IDK that's pretty involved.

[CrazyPro]

Yes.

I heard Castle, Safe Space and Good Guys all teamed up against Kingdom on Vulak this weekend. Of course Good Guys also encompasses "Lineage Alliance" which is guilds like Smoking Lounge, etc, Castle includes the "Castle Alliance" which has guilds like Ancient Blood, etc. 130 people in the Good Castle Space team up. Max raid capacity for future xpac raid feature was 72.

This server is beyond fixing. Wipe it, Rogean!

The important thing to note here is that it was 3 AM and the only way CA/SS could fill the critical roles to do Vulak at such an awfully late hour was by teaming with GG.
There were 2 vulaks that day, the first one wasn't a wacky 3-way joint, just a normal CA/SS Vulak kill, the second one was the culmination of a quake Visceryn did after the first Vulak died because he likes seeing us suffer.

Also Lineage & crew weren't involved at all. Afaik they dumped GG in favor of teaming with MT.

[kjs86z2]

Just play on blue its just 1 guild left.

[usmcjdking]

The important thing to note here is that it was 3 AM and the only way CA/SS could fill the critical roles to do Vulak at such an awfully late hour was by teaming with GG.
There were 2 vulaks that day, the first one wasn't a wacky 3-way joint, just a normal CA/SS Vulak kill, the second one was the culmination of a quake Visceryn did after the first Vulak died because he likes seeing us suffer.

Also Lineage & crew weren't involved at all. Afaik they dumped GG in favor of teaming with MT.

Half our raiders aren't even sober come quake and the only reason we can do any naturals and lose is because no one is sober enough to actually play the game.

Keep Lineage out of this garbage bin discussion.

[MutinyLLC]

Half our raiders aren't even sober come quake and the only reason we can do any naturals and lose is because no one is sober enough to actually play the game.

Keep Lineage out of this garbage bin discussion.

Alcoholism and drug abuse is so fucking cool man!

[sammoHung]

Half our raiders aren't even sober come quake and the only reason we can do any naturals and lose is because no one is sober enough to actually play the game.

Keep Lineage out of this garbage bin discussion.

Ah, so the "Lineage Alliance" isn't a thing? Lineage is trash just like all the other big guilds. One time the Lineage Alliance came in to do a Nagafen, and in the process cleared the repops my exp group was waiting for. In bats and bugs. Far away from Nagafen's lair.

Fuck Lineage.

[MutinyLLC]

Ah, so the "Lineage Alliance" isn't a thing? Lineage is trash just like all the other big guilds. One time the Lineage Alliance came in to do a Nagafen, and in the process cleared the repops my exp group was waiting for. In bats and bugs. Far away from Nagafen's lair.

Fuck Lineage.

I wonder how many people on this server bully others because they are miserable AF IRL?

[WarpathEQ]

I wonder how many people on this server bully others because they are miserable AF IRL?

Wounded Dog theory. AKA an injured animal becomes aggressive out of fear because its weak and vulnerable.

When you realize that the shittier someone is the worse their life is you just start feeling bad for them.