Nerd Thread about Diablo 3

[Kika Maslyaka]

there is no limit to a corporate greed and stupidity

http://www.gucomics.com/comic/?cdate=20110802

I have already boycotted SC-2 due to idiotic online registration requirements, looks like this one is next on the list

/puke

[Slathar]

how dare a company try to make a profit through new means, why i never...

[bman8810]

I don't understand why everyone is so against real money auctions. It is not like you are being forced to use the system. It is Diablo 3 after all, just start your own private game and play it like before.

[eastadam55]

Don't worry Athene will get on it. His word is law.

[Kika Maslyaka]

i don't care about their auction cash houses, but I truly believe that to be connected to bnet all the time to play a SOLO game is retarded

[deakolt]

neither of these sound that bad. Diablo was always best played with other people. I agree with the argument that RMT gonna go down anyway so Blizzard might as well try to regulate it and profit off it.

[EkireiTheNecro]

neither of these sound that bad. Diablo was always best played with other people. I agree with the argument that RMT gonna go down anyway so Blizzard might as well try to regulate it and profit off it.

Except I'm fairly certain that their motivations aren't so pure.

They know how much money big sites were making from item sales in Diablo 2 and they wan't a piece of that action now -- or all of that action.

[bman8810]

i don't care about their auction cash houses, but I truly believe that to be connected to bnet all the time to play a SOLO game is retarded

Solo play in Diablo 2 allowed the game to be pirated to no end, same as with WC3/SC/etc. Are you really surprised that they want to protect their profits (online play = more $$ from ads and it also means you have to have a legitimate copy). Personally, I don't see the big deal assuming you are buying the game. How often are you not connected to the internet? I very rarely am. If you are truly concerned with playing solo then just password lock all of your games.

Big surprise here, game companies are out to make money. Don't demonize them for it.

[Feachie]

I bought my first car selling soj's at the local pc bangs. true story.

in the back of my mind i figured blizzard would find a way to fuck it up :\

[bman8810]

I bought my first car selling soj's at the local pc bangs. true story.

in the back of my mind i figured blizzard would find a way to fuck it up :\

How does this fuck it up? You will be able to offload the real life money you make using a third party (Paypal or potentially directly to your bank). This widens your customer base and allows for more secure transactions. Also, you will be able to sell characters. I, for one, love building characters in addition to end game farming. I also tend to build one character to max and then never play him again. As such, I love the idea of being able to sell off my old characters.

[Feachie]

How does this fuck it up? You will be able to offload the real life money you make using a third party (Paypal or potentially directly to your bank). This widens your customer base and allows for more secure transactions. Also, you will be able to sell characters. I, for one, love building characters in addition to end game farming. I also tend to build one character to max and then never play him again. As such, I love the idea of being able to sell off my old characters.

wait.. WHAT? is that how they're going to make money off of this? offer ebay type services for rmt traders? :eek:

Yeah I'm down

[eastadam55]

Say you want to sell a certain item for $10 and with the auction house, you sell it and earn your money. BUT blizzard is probably going to keep a percentage of that money so the $10 you sold the item for, your really getting like 8 or 9. Blizzard is one of the most money hungry video game companies I've ever seen. Well at least that's my theory on it but I doubt that they don't plan on making a profit out of this.

[bman8810]

Say you want to sell a certain item for $10 and with the auction house, you sell it and earn your money. BUT blizzard is probably going to keep a percentage of that money so the $10 you sold the item for, your really getting like 8 or 9. Blizzard is one of the most money hungry video game companies I've ever seen. Well at least that's my theory on it but I doubt that they don't plan on making a profit out of this.

They have already said they will take a cut for posting and a cut for selling. If that cut amounts to 10-20% is it really that crazy? You are, after all, going to be selling items/characters you earned by playing a free-to-play game. Are they really so greedy due to wanting to make some money to help keep D3 profitable as time progresses? Quite honestly, you sound just as greedy for begrudging them a cut of the money YOU will make by playing on their free servers.

[deakolt]

i don't think it's greedy at all i agree

[purist]

if anyone is boycotting d3 over this purist will take your beta keys if u get any thank u

[rak-012]

Cant say I blame them afterall they are a business making money. I dont think this will sway many people away D3. It has such a massive cult following I think most wont even bat an eyelid.

[Knuckle]

how dare a company try to make a profit through new means, why i never...

that is definitely an excellent troll, its a good troll when i know im being trolled but im still mad at you for being such a slimeless scumbag to even troll about something as porky as corporate greed ruining one of the last great nerd hobbies.

[Knuckle]

Cant say I blame them afterall they are a business making money. I dont think this will sway many people away D3. It has such a massive cult following I think most wont even bat an eyelid.

i didnt even buy starcraft 2 and i loved starcraft 1.

[Feachie]

lol @ tags, i see the redfags have been here

[deathgirl]

d2 was overrun by bots tryin to make moneys anyway, so maybe this auction will stop that mulefactory.commulefactory.commulefactory.commulef actory.commulefactory.commulefactory.commulefactor y.commulefactory.commulefactory.commulefactory.com mulefactory.com and similar spam, and you could also use jsp and such to get better itams quicker, so if you want fairness on d3 just play on hxc, where apparently you can't buy gear. see u on hxc fucklers

[deakolt]

what is hxc? different ladder or whatever it's called? game setting?

[Doors]

Dunno how many people care but basically Blizzard has gone down the toilet since they merged with Activision. Used to be a big fan of their games until about two years ago whenever I started noticing that all they cared about anymore were micro transactions instead of making a decent product.

Was looking forward to Diablo 3 but they announced that they're going to allow people to sell items in it through an auction house system for real life money.

I mean I understand that shit has always been happening in games and even happens here, but at least back in the day companies like Blizzard actually enforced their rules and banned botters and lame fuckers that went out and actually spent real money on an in game currency. Now they are not going to do anything about it in their next release and on top of that they're incorporating this garbage into their game to cut out the middle man. From a business standpoint yeah, they will make probably countless millions but honestly it ruins the game completely for two reasons:

1. China is going to bot/farm the fuck out of this game and ruin the economy in two months give or take.

2. People with more money than me are just going to buy their shit and it's going to get old real quick.

Anyways heres some nerd who sums up what I'm trying to say only he does it better. 12 minute rant about how fucking stupid this decision is but if you're a fan of Blizzard's shit it's worth listening to.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qay72dzS3M

[Fourthmeal]

looks boring

[Doors]

Your face looks boring.

[Fourthmeal]

Haters gonna hate

[purist]

there's already thread about this genius burger

[nalkin]

Wow thats lame, looks like i won't be getting D3 now

[quido]

I'm going to McDonald's

[deathgirl]

the world sucks, whiner. just play on hardcore. it won't have rmt auctions. yw

[deathgirl]

what is hxc? different ladder or whatever it's called? game setting?


http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=353956&postcount=8

[nalkin]

the world sucks, whiner. just play on hardcore. it won't have rmt auctions. yw

Sweet, looks like ill pick the game up then

[Feachie]

hxc still means if you die you die for good tho? i played that on d2. worked a long time on my zon and then i got jumped. not down :\

[Doors]

Can you just jump right into hardcore mode? In D2 you needed to go through normal/whatever mode first. Which means RMAH will influence everything before you hit hardcore.

[Feachie]

Can you just jump right into hardcore mode? In D2 you needed to go through normal/whatever mode first. Which means RMAH will influence everything before you hit hardcore.

no those are difficulties. hardcore mode is like zek, except when you die you die. you're dead. no loots to loot, no body to go find. dead. create anew.

or that's how it was in d2

[purist]

you could loot corpse in d2 hardcore if you granted permission to, was a little toggle button next to declaring hostile

and of course, anytime anyone dies in d2 you will drop gold

[Feachie]

now you've got me wondering what game it was that i was playing where when you died that's it.

[purist]

permission to loot corpse was definitely a feature in d2 hc, I don't know if it will be in d3, but it made the death of my 99 barb in d2 hc a lot less painful.

[Doors]

I dunno how anyone can think this is a good idea. Botters are going to run this game into the fucking ground in months. Like literally as I am typing this there is an army of sweatshop workers making .10 cents an hour in China coordinating efforts to mass bot this game and completely flood the AH with their shit.

Think Blizzard is going to do anything about it? Fuck no, botters are going to mass sell thousands of items a day which means more cash for Activision. They aren't going to make an effort to stop botting in D3 for two reasons:

1. Botters will make them tons of cash not only buying the game but selling items.
2. They don't want to pay for a division devoted to stopping botters/hackers.

If you're sitting there thinking to yourself right now "Damn son I'm going to make a living off Diablo3 RMAH lol!!!1one" wake up. You know who's going to make money off this game? Azn farmers, botters, and a select few people that have 18 hours a day they can devote to playing D3 like Athene. The normal average everyday player who goes out to buy D3 to play it for fun isn't going to make peanuts.

The other 95% of the playerbase is going to be shit out of luck trying to compete with the farmers and botters. It's going to cost money to list an item, it's going to cost money to buy an item, and it's going to cost money to sell your item as Blizzard takes a percentage cut out of the total that an item is sold for. After awhile the casual player is going to get sick and tired of listing items losing money in the process for listing fees that don't sell as the botters constantly flood the market and shit all over the economy. Prices will change drastically on a daily basis. Realistically the only winner in this is going to be Activision-Blizzard as they rake in the millions and the sweat shops in China running 600 bots 24/7 to farm items. I wouldn't be surprised to see this games economy go to complete shit in ~2 months tops.

Playing the game on anything other than Hardcore mode is going to be fucking awful because if you host a public game dickheads are going to snag every single item and claim "RMAH dawg." Honestly I don't even know what the point of Diablo 3 is going to be since they're putting this feature in. The game is based on two concepts - killing shit and getting loot, but if you can just buy your items for real money and win instantly what is the point of even playing it.

It's actually beyond me how anyone can think this is a good idea. This is fucking garbage, and since every other gaming company out there emulates Blizzard on everything expect to see this bullshit in future games. I couldn't be happier I ditched WoW like 2 years ago because that games offically gone down the toilet as well with the main concept of it being based on micro transactions instead of actual gameplay, but yeah this feature is going in WoW eventually as well. Theres no way in hell Bobby Kotik is capable of controlling his greed at this point, he's already completely fucked up that games PVP servers with faction switch for cash. D3 will suck if RMAH goes in trust me. I could go off about this for probably another 10 pages I haven't even touched on the how shit this is going to make the playerbase as you come across people that have daddy's credit card linked to their account. The flaming, the shit talking from these kids with mommy and daddy's credit card info, the hatred for people who use RMAH to gear up, the contempt people will have that don't use RMAH, I could go on man for fucking hours about how stupid this is.

Not to mention Blizzard completely scrapped their project for some kind of PVP system in D3. Save the stupid ass PVE vs. PVP arguments because my point is they announced they were ditching PVP in D3 the same day they announce RMAH.

Wanna know why? Because instead of laboring through balancing something that would have been a bad ass end game activity like a non-rated arena system for end game D3, they decided "Hey fuck it, if we put RMAH in and people can just buy their success it's going to make any type of competitive PVP system obsolete. So lets just milk the cash cow at the expense of a better game experience because Activision calls all the shots now, and the final word is cash money ******."

Sorry for reposting a similar thread didn't even notice this one was up, I'll pm guineapig or something and get mine deleted.

[deakolt]

purist is trolling hard Feachie watch out he's gunnin' for ya

[Doors]

I put my thoughts in the other thread and pm'ed guineapig to just delete this one. Didn't even see the other D3 thread floating around, my bad niglets.

[Feachie]

yeah, definitely. he had me questioning, but not convinced yet. good try :)

[purist]

not trolling, you obviously did not play hardcore mode if you are not already well aware of this feature.. go google 'permission to loot corpse diablo 2'

[Feachie]

ohh, well you were obviously cheating. playing with other people? pff, i thought you red folk were harder than that

[deakolt]

wait now i just dunno wassup. I don't remember that feature from hardcore mode. Did your character die but you could get his old items?

[deakolt]

and you're right i played a barbarian to level 18, got ganked by a fucking sorc, and peaced outta hc mode forever

[purist]

wait now i just dunno wassup. I don't remember that feature from hardcore mode. Did your character die but you could get his old items?

when you join a game you can individually grant certain player(s) permission to loot your corpse in the case that you die

if you die and have given another player has been given permission to loot your corpse, the player can travel to your corpse and loot it as long as you are still at this screen (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-FW88qO1WH44/TfVknsHHuyI/AAAAAAAAAPM/S484zpW19V4/s1600/diablo+2+hell+hardcore+dead.jpg) and have not pressed escape yet (in which case your corpse will poof)

the player will only be able to loot whatever items you had equipped when you died (but not the items in your inventory or ones in your stash)

then again, even if you gave someone permission to loot your corpse, there was nothing forcing them to be noble enough to go out of their way to meet you in a new game on your mule and give you back all your stuff.. so generally people only gave permission to people they actually trusted to do so

[HeallunRumblebelly]

I dunno how anyone can think this is a good idea. Botters are going to run this game into the fucking ground in months. Like literally as I am typing this there is an army of sweatshop workers making .10 cents an hour in China coordinating efforts to mass bot this game and completely flood the AH with their shit.

Think Blizzard is going to do anything about it? Fuck no, botters are going to mass sell thousands of items a day which means more cash for Activision. They aren't going to make an effort to stop botting in D3 for two reasons:

1. Botters will make them tons of cash not only buying the game but selling items.
2. They don't want to pay for a division devoted to stopping botters/hackers.

If you're sitting there thinking to yourself right now "Damn son I'm going to make a living off Diablo3 RMAH lol!!!1one" wake up. You know who's going to make money off this game? Azn farmers, botters, and a select few people that have 18 hours a day they can devote to playing D3 like Athene. The normal average everyday player who goes out to buy D3 to play it for fun isn't going to make peanuts.

The other 95% of the playerbase is going to be shit out of luck trying to compete with the farmers and botters. It's going to cost money to list an item, it's going to cost money to buy an item, and it's going to cost money to sell your item as Blizzard takes a percentage cut out of the total that an item is sold for. After awhile the casual player is going to get sick and tired of listing items losing money in the process for listing fees that don't sell as the botters constantly flood the market and shit all over the economy. Prices will change drastically on a daily basis. Realistically the only winner in this is going to be Activision-Blizzard as they rake in the millions and the sweat shops in China running 600 bots 24/7 to farm items. I wouldn't be surprised to see this games economy go to complete shit in ~2 months tops.

Playing the game on anything other than Hardcore mode is going to be fucking awful because if you host a public game dickheads are going to snag every single item and claim "RMAH dawg." Honestly I don't even know what the point of Diablo 3 is going to be since they're putting this feature in. The game is based on two concepts - killing shit and getting loot, but if you can just buy your items for real money and win instantly what is the point of even playing it.

It's actually beyond me how anyone can think this is a good idea. This is fucking garbage, and since every other gaming company out there emulates Blizzard on everything expect to see this bullshit in future games. I couldn't be happier I ditched WoW like 2 years ago because that games offically gone down the toilet as well with the main concept of it being based on micro transactions instead of actual gameplay, but yeah this feature is going in WoW eventually as well. Theres no way in hell Bobby Kotik is capable of controlling his greed at this point, he's already completely fucked up that games PVP servers with faction switch for cash. D3 will suck if RMAH goes in trust me. I could go off about this for probably another 10 pages I haven't even touched on the how shit this is going to make the playerbase as you come across people that have daddy's credit card linked to their account. The flaming, the shit talking from these kids with mommy and daddy's credit card info, the hatred for people who use RMAH to gear up, the contempt people will have that don't use RMAH, I could go on man for fucking hours about how stupid this is.

Not to mention Blizzard completely scrapped their project for some kind of PVP system in D3. Save the stupid ass PVE vs. PVP arguments because my point is they announced they were ditching PVP in D3 the same day they announce RMAH.

Wanna know why? Because instead of laboring through balancing something that would have been a bad ass end game activity like a non-rated arena system for end game D3, they decided "Hey fuck it, if we put RMAH in and people can just buy their success it's going to make any type of competitive PVP system obsolete. So lets just milk the cash cow at the expense of a better game experience because Activision calls all the shots now, and the final word is cash money ******."

Sorry for reposting a similar thread didn't even notice this one was up, I'll pm guineapig or something and get mine deleted.

1) Loot is only seen on a per person basis ~ Individualized loot, no more fast mouse clickers.

2) Unless they've got something magical planned, you're right, bots are going to run this shit.

3) It'll still be fun, but I'll never play it outside of a group of friends. Playing online with people in bought gear fucking disgusts me.

[Doors]

Ya..totally agree. Probably just gonna host and play solo in my own games or just with rl friends. I'm gonna buy it because I'm a big blizzard tool but this is probably my last attempt at blizzard games. If RMAH ends up ruining D3 I'm done.

[Anger]

how dare a company try to make a profit through new means, why i never...

Come on. Get real. No way.

[Afferon]

If you couldn't tell this game was going to be shit when it was first announced I don't know what to say.

The 90's/early 2000 era of games are dead and gone. If there isn't instant gratification and easy ways to acquire shit, people won't like it.

[Knuckle]

there is no limit to a corporate greed and stupidity

http://www.gucomics.com/comic/?cdate=20110802

I have already boycotted SC-2 due to idiotic online registration requirements, looks like this one is next on the list

/puke

same

[Knuckle]

the world sucks, whiner. just play on hardcore. it won't have rmt auctions. yw

hmm i might buy it then, maybe..i hate this online registration bullshit though, fuck blizzard.

And every other server WILL turn rapidly to shit, I've played on private servers for like WoW where donating got you badass gear. It takes risk vs reward out of the equation entirely, fuck it.

[Kika Maslyaka]

I probably would not even care for RMAH, since I never ever bought anything in MMO for RC, but what bugs me the hell out of it, is just WHY do I have to be perma-connected to bnet to play a SOLO game???

Ok fine I understand, Bliz wants to store your chars in their Db to prevent cheating and char hacking, but guys - Diablo is not a MMO! Yes it can be played with small company of friends, but mostly its a SOLO game, and I don't understand why would Bliz even care if I hack or cheated my very own SOLO game???

Not like I ever did so, but still. In D2 there were open Bnet realms and closed realms, where chars were stored online - why not do the same things? People who WANTS to be secure - play on closed realms, and people who only connect to bnet to fool around with their hacked/cheated chars/gear can log onto open realms (not like I ever even used bnet for D2 - I always played with my friend over direct IP hosting)

Don't get me wrong, I live in 21st century too, I have fiber-optic internet which is on 24/7, so yeah I wouldn't have a problem with a connection or anything. But for argument sake, I go on vacation to a forest camp, and take my laptop with me - why the heck why I can't play a SOLO game without internet connection where I like???

So Bliz goes through this tremendous headache, to achieve what?
We can't play on LAN anymore
We can't host games over IP
We can't even play our own game SOLO for god sake without internet connection!

As someone on gucomics forums said : "Next thing you know, you will need internet to play solitaire"

[bman8810]

I dunno how anyone can think this is a good idea. Botters are going to run this game into the fucking ground in months. Like literally as I am typing this there is an army of sweatshop workers making .10 cents an hour in China coordinating efforts to mass bot this game and completely flood the AH with their shit.

How so? D3 isn't a "competitive" game. As such, you don't have to buy gear, you don't have to sell gear, and most importantly you don't have to play with people that do; e.g. real money transactions only affect you if you want them to.

Think Blizzard is going to do anything about it? Fuck no, botters are going to mass sell thousands of items a day which means more cash for Activision. They aren't going to make an effort to stop botting in D3 for two reasons:

1. Botters will make them tons of cash not only buying the game but selling items.
2. They don't want to pay for a division devoted to stopping botters/hackers.


Once again, who cares? D3 isn't a persistent world, go play solo, with friends, or just avoid games with people botting.

If you're sitting there thinking to yourself right now "Damn son I'm going to make a living off Diablo3 RMAH lol!!!1one" wake up. You know who's going to make money off this game? Azn farmers, botters, and a select few people that have 18 hours a day they can devote to playing D3 like Athene. The normal average everyday player who goes out to buy D3 to play it for fun isn't going to make peanuts.

Oh well? I PAY money to play other games. D3 is a F2P game that allows for the potential to make a few bucks if you happen to get a rare item.

The other 95% of the playerbase is going to be shit out of luck trying to compete with the farmers and botters.

It's a game, why am I trying to compete with them?

It's going to cost money to list an item, it's going to cost money to buy an item, and it's going to cost money to sell your item as Blizzard takes a percentage cut out of the total that an item is sold for. After awhile the casual player is going to get sick and tired of listing items losing money in the process for listing fees that don't sell as the botters constantly flood the market and shit all over the economy.

1. You don't have to post items.
2. You get a certain number of FREE RM postings each week. As such, you could make money off of those and use that money to post additional items.
3. Why is the "casual player" even worried about making money at all?

Prices will change drastically on a daily basis. Realistically the only winner in this is going to be Activision-Blizzard as they rake in the millions and the sweat shops in China running 600 bots 24/7 to farm items. I wouldn't be surprised to see this games economy go to complete shit in ~2 months tops.

D2 was farmed to hell and back by botters/hackers and it still has a thriving economy. Not to mention the fact that you can play Diablo all the way through without even touching anything dealing with the economy.

Playing the game on anything other than Hardcore mode is going to be fucking awful because if you host a public game dickheads are going to snag every single item and claim "RMAH dawg."

I'm beginning to wonder if you even played Diablo 2...

Honestly I don't even know what the point of Diablo 3 is going to be since they're putting this feature in. The game is based on two concepts - killing shit and getting loot, but if you can just buy your items for real money and win instantly what is the point of even playing it.

You don't have to buy items and "win instantly". As such, why do you care if someone else does?

It's actually beyond me how anyone can think this is a good idea. This is fucking garbage, and since every other gaming company out there emulates Blizzard on everything expect to see this bullshit in future games.

First legitimate argument against RMAH that you have posed.

I couldn't be happier I ditched WoW like 2 years ago because that games offically gone down the toilet as well with the main concept of it being based on micro transactions instead of actual gameplay, but yeah this feature is going in WoW eventually as well.

Do you actually look into things that you complain about? The only micro transactions for WoW are for cosmetic items and server/faction changes. They don't alter game play.

Theres no way in hell Bobby Kotik is capable of controlling his greed at this point, he's already completely fucked up that games PVP servers with faction switch for cash.

Whhhhat? Anyone with an ounce of intellect can tell you that PVP and PVE servers were hardly different at all, even during vanilla. Also, what few differences there were were ruined when battlegrounds and cross-server queuing came about. Faction switching HELPS, if anything, due to allowing players to swap to the underpopulated side for faster queue times.

D3 will suck if RMAH goes in trust me. I could go off about this for probably another 10 pages I haven't even touched on the how shit this is going to make the playerbase as you come across people that have daddy's credit card linked to their account. The flaming, the shit talking from these kids with mommy and daddy's credit card info, the hatred for people who use RMAH to gear up, the contempt people will have that don't use RMAH, I could go on man for fucking hours about how stupid this is.

You could, but that might require you to actually form valid complaints.

Not to mention Blizzard completely scrapped their project for some kind of PVP system in D3. Save the stupid ass PVE vs. PVP arguments because my point is they announced they were ditching PVP in D3 the same day they announce RMAH.

D3 has never been about PVP. D3 has always been about PvE hack-and-slash.

Wanna know why? Because instead of laboring through balancing something that would have been a bad ass end game activity like a non-rated arena system for end game D3, they decided "Hey fuck it, if we put RMAH in and people can just buy their success it's going to make any type of competitive PVP system obsolete. So lets just milk the cash cow at the expense of a better game experience because Activision calls all the shots now, and the final word is cash money ******."

D3 has never and was never intended to be a competitive PVP game. Balancing around PVP and PVE is incredibly difficult and would, quite frankly, be a complete waste of time.

@Kika - I do feel for the people that want to be able to play offline. However, I'm pretty sure they removed solo/lan play largely due to pirating reasons; i.e. they want people to have to BUY their game.

[Klendathu]

Just gonna leave this here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDYjljdje-g

[Sweet]

Just gonna leave this here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDYjljdje-g

Boogie....

..I hate that guy.

[Doors]

Do you actually look into things that you complain about? The only micro transactions for WoW are for cosmetic items and server/faction changes. They don't alter game play.

Thats why the Blizzard store offers you a code to use to redeem for their micro transaction shop. Because you never see people then selling these codes all through trade chat for gold which you can use to buy BoE's and shit. Durrr.

The rest of your arguments make you sound like a sheep by the way. Have fun standing around with nothing to do at max level once you buy all your best in slot gear for real money. Not having some type of PVP system in Diablo 3 is going to be a huge fucking let down.

[Doors]

Whhhhat? Anyone with an ounce of intellect can tell you that PVP and PVE servers were hardly different at all, even during vanilla. Also, what few differences there were were ruined when battlegrounds and cross-server queuing came about. Faction switching HELPS, if anything, due to allowing players to swap to the underpopulated side for faster queue times.


No shit they were hardly different in vanilla. There wasn't an option to switch factions. You can't have people switching factions at the drop of a hat on a PVP server. Whenever people actually had to delete every toon they had and reroll to the other faction it deterred most people from swamping one side completely and screwing up the balance on PVP servers. Wintergrasp was a good example of just how screwed up things got when faction switch was put in. Everyone with daddy's credit card info switched to the larger faction for constant access to Wintergrasp.

Judging by your anti PVP attitude my guess is you never played on any type of PVP server. I did and the imbalance between the two sides made my server complete shit and was considerably noticable.

[bman8810]

Thats why the Blizzard store offers you a code to use to redeem for their micro transaction shop. Because you never see people then selling these codes all through trade chat for gold which you can use to buy BoE's and shit. Durrr.

"I couldn't be happier I ditched WoW like 2 years ago because that games offically gone down the toilet as well with the main concept of it being based on micro transactions instead of actual gameplay, but yeah this feature is going in WoW eventually as well."

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize that being able to sell an in-game pet was so ground breaking as to replace actual gameplay due to being able to buy a couple BoE items.

The rest of your arguments make you sound like a sheep by the way. Have fun standing around with nothing to do at max level once you buy all your best in slot gear for real money. Not having some type of PVP system in Diablo 3 is going to be a huge fucking let down.

I didn't PVP in Diablo 2 and I loved it and logged tons of time on it. I personally am not the type of person to buy gear but I sure as hell plan on selling any items I get that are worth a few bucks. I also plan on selling the characters I build up and get to max level. I play a character to max, gear him out, and then I get tired of that character. Now, I can sell it. Seems great to me.

Fact of the matter is that practically every argument you made is made null by the fact that you don't have to play with a single person that buys gear. Also, if your concerns are for the arena system, it is going to match people based off skill AND gear. Soooo ya, if you come up against that 10 year old with "daddy's credit card" you should have no problems at all, right?

P.S. If rational arguments make me a sheep... Baaaah.

[bman8810]

No shit they were hardly different in vanilla. There wasn't an option to switch factions. You can't have people switching factions at the drop of a hat on a PVP server. Whenever people actually had to delete every toon they had and reroll to the other faction it deterred most people from swamping one side completely and screwing up the balance on PVP servers. Wintergrasp was a good example of just how screwed up things got when faction switch was put in. Everyone with daddy's credit card info switched to the larger faction for constant access to Wintergrasp.

Judging by your anti PVP attitude my guess is you never played on any type of PVP server. I did and the imbalance between the two sides made my server complete shit and was considerably noticable.

Server imbalances were present from the get-go, faction swapping exacerbated the situation but was hardly the cause of it. Populations began to swing out of balance once Horde gained access to BEs/Paladins.

[eastadam55]

I don't see how you always have to be online to play diablo is bothering anyone. It's not like anyone ever played single player in the first place.dw

[nalkin]

I play a character to max, gear him out, and then I get tired of that character. Now, I can sell it. Seems great to me.

Except that your char will be worth like 10 cents since the Azn botters will have driven the prices so far down. Not to mention you will have crummy gear since everyone will be ninja looting like a b just to have a chance at selling in the RMAH.

So yeah you could solo to avoid people who bought gear, but multiplayer is fun and they have ruined it with this move. In the words of the food reviewer "this shit is not a buy"

[Kika Maslyaka]

I don't see how you always have to be online to play diablo is bothering anyone. It's not like anyone ever played single player in the first place.dw

um lol
people who play Diablo on bnet are a fraction of those who don't

[bman8810]

um lol
people who play Diablo on bnet are a fraction of those who don't

um lol
people who play Diablo solo are a fraction of those who don't

See what I did there?

[bman8810]

Except that your char will be worth like 10 cents since the Azn botters will have driven the prices so far down. Not to mention you will have crummy gear since everyone will be ninja looting like a b just to have a chance at selling in the RMAH.

So yeah you could solo to avoid people who bought gear, but multiplayer is fun and they have ruined it with this move. In the words of the food reviewer "this shit is not a buy"

So I don't end up getting to sell it/make money. Oh well, I'll just have to continue playing a F2P game.

[Knuckle]

If you can transfer toons to the hardcore server or away from it, RMT gonna ruin that server too...


On principle I fucking hate blizzard with a passion, but I was looking at D3, SC2, and I even am considering getting elder scrolls 5 when it comes out.

[Stibe]

*facepalm*

This is nothing new. Blizzard is just offering the sevice instead of some korean 3rd party site.

eg: http://d2items.com/?gclid=CJ-H-a33wqoCFQYnbAodF2_i4A#

Yes you have to be online to play the game. It's to combat piracy. Look at D2. Why buy it when you can DL it? Plus if you dont have an internet connection at this point in time chances are you don't know d3 even exists.

Worried about botters ruining the economy? Look at the D2 economy. Its still (mostly) fine. Relax.

No PVP? Well that sucks for some. I never played pvp so IDGAF.

Plus loot whores wont be a problem. You get your own loot from kills. So thats a bonus.

[Doors]

If you can transfer toons to the hardcore server or away from it, RMT gonna ruin that server too...


On principle I fucking hate blizzard with a passion, but I was looking at D3, SC2, and I even am considering getting elder scrolls 5 when it comes out.

There aren't really servers. You basically connect to bnet and enter chat rooms then create your own games. You can make them public or private, password protect them, etc. At least thats how it was in D2. I just think RMAH defeats the entire purpose of playing Diablo.

[Marglar]

blizzard is brilliant. the black market WILL happen with or without blizzard intervention. they are offering a safe means to complete said transactions, and they are taking a cut out of each one. brilliant.

I am just happy that I have an easy way to cash out when I am finished with the game.

[deakolt]

Is D3 gonna have the same spam loot system as D2? That combined with RMT system could make players very very hostile towards one another, discourage teamplay, etc

[Skope]

Except that your char will be worth like 10 cents since the Azn botters will have driven the prices so far down. Not to mention you will have crummy gear since everyone will be ninja looting like a b just to have a chance at selling in the RMAH.

So yeah you could solo to avoid people who bought gear, but multiplayer is fun and they have ruined it with this move. In the words of the food reviewer "this shit is not a buy"

spot on. I think the moves they pulled are sooooo porly advised that i'll wait for the DRM to be cracked to play the single player for the storyline.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/entries/icons/original/000/000/288/irony.jpg?1243350318

[EkireiTheNecro]

Is D3 gonna have the same spam loot system as D2? That combined with RMT system could make players very very hostile towards one another, discourage teamplay, etc

Yea basically.

I remember doing Hell Mode Ball runs on D2 ..... basically whoever picked up the loot 1st got it.

SOMETIMES people were cool and let others have items; don't see this happening anymore.

With the new RM sales, basically whoever has the fastest computer is gonna snatch up EVERY item that drops and go sell em for RL cash.

[Kika Maslyaka]

um lol
people who play Diablo solo are a fraction of those who don't

See what I did there?

yes , you an idiot. thank you

[Stibe]

Yea basically.

I remember doing Hell Mode Ball runs on D2 ..... basically whoever picked up the loot 1st got it.

SOMETIMES people were cool and let others have items; don't see this happening anymore.

With the new RM sales, basically whoever has the fastest computer is gonna snatch up EVERY item that drops and go sell em for RL cash.

MOBS DROP YOUR OWN LOOT. JUST FOR YOU.

Fuck. Listen people.

Plus blizzard is apparently running an in-game currency auction house aswell.

[Doors]

I just really think Blizzard is opening pandora's box with this. Everyone emulates what they do in gaming. Look at every single MMO that has ever come out since WoW got big. I just don't get how anyone who enjoys gaming is cool with games basically being turned into 'buy your success instead of play for it.'

This is just the beginning. Is RMAH going to impact what I do? Probably not unless I make public games constantly and have to play with other people who snag everything that drops. But in the long run this is a bad sign of things to come. I wouldn't even give a shit except that its common knowledge Blizzard doesn't enforce their anti-hacking and botting policies anymore so RMAH isn't going to benefit someone like me that doesn't game 24/7. The system is designed to profit off these companies and people that bot their games.

[Stibe]

I just really think Blizzard is opening pandora's box with this. Everyone emulates what they do in gaming. Look at every single MMO that has ever come out since WoW got big. I just don't get how anyone who enjoys gaming is cool with games basically being turned into 'buy your success instead of play for it.'

This is just the beginning. Is RMAH going to impact what I do? Probably not unless I make public games constantly and have to play with other people who snag everything that drops. But in the long run this is a bad sign of things to come. I wouldn't even give a shit except that its common knowledge Blizzard doesn't enforce their anti-hacking and botting policies anymore so RMAH isn't going to benefit someone like me that doesn't game 24/7. The system is designed to profit off these companies and people that bot their games.

Your buy loot other players picked up. Blizzard isnt just offering random items out for sale. I dont understand why you people are so pissed off? Diablo 2 was the EXACT SAME, only you had to pay some korean website instead of other players with blizzard taking a small cut. Oh fucking no. You get to play on their servers for free. Deal with it.

[bman8810]

yes , you an idiot. thank you

Lol, "yes , you an idiot"?

Did you even read that sentence before posting it?

I was implying that making completely unfounded conclusions is pointless. Glad to see you understood.

[Doors]

Your buy loot other players picked up. Blizzard isnt just offering random items out for sale. I dont understand why you people are so pissed off? Diablo 2 was the EXACT SAME, only you had to pay some korean website instead of other players with blizzard taking a small cut. Oh fucking no. You get to play on their servers for free. Deal with it.

Dude you're not seeing the big picture at all. This is something that should not be a part of games period. And when people were buying shit for real money from Korean websites they had to go out of their way to do it and risked getting banned/suspended for doing so. At least thats how it used to be before Activison took over.

Now its going to be some legitimate operation thats right there in your face as you play. And if you think this auction system for real money is going to benefit the actual players I am going to disagree with that. This system they're putting in benefits two things: Blizzard and companies that are going to bot this game into the ground. I mean at first I was kind of looking forward to this RMAH shit, then I woke up and realized Blizzard hasn't cared about cheating, hacking or botting on their games for some time now. And if thats actually the case it means D3 is going to be botted into the fucking ground nonstop 24/7. Ever since this merger with Activison they have stopped caring about cheating in their games. Just look at or ask anyone who plays World of Warcraft. Nobody gets permanently banned anymore for botting honor in battlegrounds or buying gold. Wanna know why? Because then they lose out on that $15 a month. Back in classic one of my good friends tried using a Glider to level his warrior. Within 48 hours of running it his account got permanently banned and he quit playing the game until BC came out when he decided to start all over from level 1. That shit does not happen to people anymore.

So if that ends up happening, which a lot of people speculate it will, the RMAH isn't going to be some player friendly system that exists to improve gameplay. It's going to exist to tax these companies that bot their games like crazy. Anytime you or I want to go post something on the RMAH to try and turn some cash it's going to suck because the markets just going to be flooded with countless items from programs and not players. Don't forget its going to cost you money to even list an item on their RMAH so if it doesn't sell you lose whatever it cost you to list that item. Now imagine trying to sell your shit among a flood of the same items from companies that can actually afford to just take their items down the second someone undercuts them and repost them.

It's not going to be what everyone thinks. Blizzard should have said fuck you to these websites instead of taking some easy out all just to nickel and dime their customers. It's understandable from a business standpoint but unbelievably disappointing from a customer standpoint because I've been playing their games since Warcraft2 and if they try and put this garbage in the rest of their games or RMAH turns out to be as bad as I think it will I'm done with their product.

[Kika Maslyaka]

I too liked Bliz more when they opened can of whoop ass on anyone even suspected at cheating or gold trading. But it seems, Activision follows a different path: "if you can't beat them - profit from them"

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Anyone else excited for playing hardcore single player and getting a lag spike? Losing it all trying to headinthesand avoid some sanctioned RMT. Put the RMTers on a different server like the goddamn EQ2 bazaar.

That is, unless people are doing it just to buy status?...awww yeaah.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Dude you're not seeing the big picture at all. This is something that should not be a part of games period. And when people were buying shit for real money from Korean websites they had to go out of their way to do it and risked getting banned/suspended for doing so. At least thats how it used to be before Activison took over.

Now its going to be some legitimate operation thats right there in your face as you play. And if you think this auction system for real money is going to benefit the actual players I am going to disagree with that. This system they're putting in benefits two things: Blizzard and companies that are going to bot this game into the ground. I mean at first I was kind of looking forward to this RMAH shit, then I woke up and realized Blizzard hasn't cared about cheating, hacking or botting on their games for some time now. And if thats actually the case it means D3 is going to be botted into the fucking ground nonstop 24/7. Ever since this merger with Activison they have stopped caring about cheating in their games. Just look at or ask anyone who plays World of Warcraft. Nobody gets permanently banned anymore for botting honor in battlegrounds or buying gold. Wanna know why? Because then they lose out on that $15 a month. Back in classic one of my good friends tried using a Glider to level his warrior. Within 48 hours of running it his account got permanently banned and he quit playing the game until BC came out when he decided to start all over from level 1. That shit does not happen to people anymore.

So if that ends up happening, which a lot of people speculate it will, the RMAH isn't going to be some player friendly system that exists to improve gameplay. It's going to exist to tax these companies that bot their games like crazy. Anytime you or I want to go post something on the RMAH to try and turn some cash it's going to suck because the markets just going to be flooded with countless items from programs and not players. Don't forget its going to cost you money to even list an item on their RMAH so if it doesn't sell you lose whatever it cost you to list that item. Now imagine trying to sell your shit among a flood of the same items from companies that can actually afford to just take their items down the second someone undercuts them and repost them.

It's not going to be what everyone thinks. Blizzard should have said fuck you to these websites instead of taking some easy out all just to nickel and dime their customers. It's understandable from a business standpoint but unbelievably disappointing from a customer standpoint because I've been playing their games since Warcraft2 and if they try and put this garbage in the rest of their games or RMAH turns out to be as bad as I think it will I'm done with their product.

Agreed, but their stance on cheating was lightning up in TBC as well, long before the activision merger. Botting for honor would only net you a few temp bans and maybe a slight honor reduction. I should know--I'm a proud AFKaver D= Alterac Valley Cavemen will never die =D

[eastadam55]

What i did was put a cup on the keyboard to keep on making my character move and then just afked for a good hour while i let the bg play out. Putting on num-lock would make you go afk.

[Kika Maslyaka]

Anyone else excited for playing hardcore single player and getting a lag spike? Losing it all trying to headinthesand avoid some sanctioned RMT. Put the RMTers on a different server like the goddamn EQ2 bazaar.

That is, unless people are doing it just to buy status?...awww yeaah.

exactly - whats the point of even trying hardcore if a lag spike can kill you?
back in D2 they had open realms and closed realms, where in closed realms chars were stored server side.
This worked out great for everyone. If you wanted no-cheat-guarantee bnet gameplay - you played on closed realms.
If you were a casual solo-player who only OCCASIONALLY wanted some MP - thats what open realms are for.

I just don't understand why tested and proven system can't be used again???

[purist]

exactly - whats the point of even trying hardcore if a lag spike can kill you?

lag spikes killed folks in diablo 2 hardcore all the time

your point?

[FuglyP99]

Didn't read post, don't know if this has been posted, but:

http://i.imgur.com/dbm0T.jpg

[eastadam55]

^ shit like thats going to happen all the time. anyone else excited for torchlight 2?

[Hailto]

So after reading this thread, im not sure if some of you are trolling or simply not reading before you post. Those of you saying that RMAH is going to ruin the game because everyone will be ninja'ing your stuff to sell it for cash are just plain wrong. Given the D3 loot system is going to be physically impossible to ninja someone elses items, each time you kill a mob its going to drop a specific loot table for each person, the only way you can loot someone elses items is if they pick it up and drop it back on the ground. While i would agree with you that RMAH would ruin the game if this was a MMO, its NOT, this is essentially a single player pve game that allows you to play with small parties of people. This is not like WoW or EQ where you have to have gear to be competitive for raiding guilds and pvp if it was yes RMAH would completely ruin the game. The fact of the matter is you don't have to play with RMAH'ers at all, its your choice.

The only thing this is really going to affect is the prices for selling that rare item you may come across and don't need. Yes, you're not going to get shit for it because the market is going to be flooded by chinamen, but personally i wasn't going to try to make a living off of playing D3 anyway, so it doesn't really bother me.

I honestly think some of you have the same mentality as the people on P99 who get all bent out of shape if i want to use Luclin graphics when i play. It has zero effect on you yet it still bothers you for some weird reason.

[Doors]

It has zero effect on you yet it still bothers you for some weird reason.

You must have missed the part where every other gaming company out there emulates whatever Blizzard does and how this shit is the beginning of some serious garbage you'll be seeing in every video game from here on out.

MMOs of the future are going to have this. WoW will probably have this if its successful (money wise) in D3.

[Hailto]

You must have missed the part where every other gaming company out there emulates whatever Blizzard does and how this shit is the beginning of some serious garbage you'll be seeing in every video game from here on out.

MMOs of the future are going to have this. WoW will probably have this if its successful (money wise) in D3.

Again though, D3 isn't an MMO. I think there is a very big difference in the effect that a RMAH would have on an MMO and a game like D3. We would have to hope that the people developing these new MMO's will realize that if its a persistent world where you are constantly playing and competing with other people, be it for pve loot or pvp you simply can't offer a RMAH because it WILL ruin the entire game, D3 is something different entirely. Thats not to say it might not happen, but i have my doubts that anyone who is sane would put this into a MMO.

[wrxBRAH]

Ultimately it doesnt effect the economy in any way whatsoever than how D2 is now. What I see is extra revenue to get more customer service banning botters/dupers and to drive the chinese companies away because the prices will be bottomed out.

Part of the enjoyment of playing Diablo came from gearing out your character. If you bought all your gear, you were sick of the game in a week. If you worked your way up, it took a few months to gear out a hammerdin for a casual player and thats still not going to change.

Ive botted and it was fun waking up in the morning and feeling like it was Christmas but that bores you in about a week too. I dont see what peoples issue is with how others acquire pixels. If I see someone with bought gear, more power to them.

[Hailto]

Ultimately it doesnt effect the economy in any way whatsoever than how D2 is now. What I see is extra revenue to get more customer service banning botters/dupers and to drive the chinese companies away because the prices will be bottomed out.

Part of the enjoyment of playing Diablo came from gearing out your character. If you bought all your gear, you were sick of the game in a week. If you worked your way up, it took a few months to gear out a hammerdin for a casual player and thats still not going to change.

Ive botted and it was fun waking up in the morning and feeling like it was Christmas but that bores you in about a week too. I dont see what peoples issue is with how others acquire pixels. If I see someone with bought gear, more power to them.

Completely agree with you, what class are you going at launch? :D

[Ripcord]

Ban all Asian ips, RMAH becomes eBay for (mostly) legit d3 players.
I swear China has more people working these game shops then any other job in their country. Every new Asian mmo type game is instantly flooded with bots and spammers on every channel, every server, every town in the game, and we are talking day 1 in closed beta testing. Someone needs to step up and do something. I realise not allowing China ips won't stop it :(

But yea I play hxc and so should you pussies

[Hailto]

Im considering doing hardcore, although the idea of a lag spike permanently wiping my character is no bueno.

[wrxBRAH]

Completely agree with you, what class are you going at launch? :D

Unsure yet to be honest. I tuned out D3 from my head a while ago because of how long Blizzard takes to release games. Im going to use the beta to pick a class, probably monk :D