What is a sociopath and what is a psychopath?

[SorenVC]

I still don't really know what it means if someone is a sociopath or a psychopath. Can someone explain it? All I know is that this guy Gary Smith is supposed to be a sociopath.

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[Cecily]

Gen Z makes the dumbest music things.

[Jimjam]

DSM IV and DSM V are widely used for their definitions of mental ilness, and neither psychopath nor sociopath are exactly diagnoses. These terms are considered outdated. Similarly, WHO publishes an international classification of diseases and these 'disorders' are not defined there either.

What previously would have met these diagnosis are now considered to fall under antisocial personality disorder. This diagnosis can only be given to adults who have a history of disregard for others and/or self which cannot be explained away by schizophrenia or bipolar disorder. What may mark this disorder as specifically psychopathy is usually considered to be low levels of anxiety/fear. Personality theories of psychology are considered useful in describing characteristics typical of people with such disorders, particularly Big Five and Dark Triad.

[Hasbinbad]

DSM classifications aside:

1. what is meant generally speaking by "a psychopath" is someone who feels empathy & guilt differently or not at all, regardless of how others have been violated.

2. "sociopath" is a garbage term for "someone i don't like." what can often be meant by good-faith people who use this term is some mix of anti-social personality disorder, which - as a point of distinction - most notably involves violating others, regardless of empathic level.

[shovelquest]

Gen Z makes the dumbest music things.

movies with this music over them cut up into 20 1.5 min shorts > movies.

lol we can't argue becuse the youth defines cool lol

[Hasbinbad]

the youth defines cool
https://i.imgur.com/zDO0fjv.jpeg

[Reiwa]

DSM IV and DSM V are widely used for their definitions of mental ilness, and neither psychopath nor sociopath are exactly diagnoses. These terms are considered outdated. Similarly, WHO publishes an international classification of diseases and these 'disorders' are not defined there either.

What previously would have met these diagnosis are now considered to fall under antisocial personality disorder. This diagnosis can only be given to adults who have a history of disregard for others and/or self which cannot be explained away by schizophrenia or bipolar disorder. What may mark this disorder as specifically psychopathy is usually considered to be low levels of anxiety/fear. Personality theories of psychology are considered useful in describing characteristics typical of people with such disorders, particularly Big Five and Dark Triad.

Psychopathy is the cool character in a movie now.

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[Duik]

Speaking of which. Where is DSM?

[shovelquest]

Your kids watching your favorite movies and TV shows.

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[Cecily]

Speaking of which. Where is DSM?
I personally don't see any utility in a ranger carrying around Tolan's gloves.

[Duik]

That's the stuff.

[Duik]

That Bully game is hilarious.

[SorenVC]

DSM IV and DSM V are widely used for their definitions of mental ilness, and neither psychopath nor sociopath are exactly diagnoses. These terms are considered outdated. Similarly, WHO publishes an international classification of diseases and these 'disorders' are not defined there either.

What previously would have met these diagnosis are now considered to fall under antisocial personality disorder. This diagnosis can only be given to adults who have a history of disregard for others and/or self which cannot be explained away by schizophrenia or bipolar disorder. What may mark this disorder as specifically psychopathy is usually considered to be low levels of anxiety/fear. Personality theories of psychology are considered useful in describing characteristics typical of people with such disorders, particularly Big Five and Dark Triad.

Damn sociopathy and psychopathy is outdated? Maybe my schizophrenia, asperger, psychosis diagnosis is also outdated? Maybe it never existed at all? Maybe I'm just addicted to pills now after taking them for 12 years? Maybe some people just wanted to get money from health insurance for them pills? What else is outdated or never existed at all? The entire thing?

[Jimjam]

I know during DSM IV there was a growing school of thought that schizophrenia and bipolar weren’t valid diagnoses. Not only is there is too much overlap in the diagnostic criteria so two different clinicians could easily diagnose the same case with either illness, there are too many criterion for each diagnosis so you could end up with two people having the same diagnosis despite not sharing a single symptom.

I understand in DSM V schizophrenia has been broken down into a spectrum of disorders, so maybe the diagnoses are now more specific, consistent and valid. I don’t know as I’ve not looked so much at that edition, nor research which guided the updated definitions. What I do recall was a research basis suggesting many cases of bipolar and schizophrenia actually better fit a diagnosis of child ptsd and respond better to interventions designed around that. But of course mental health, and the causes of issues is complicated and poorly understood.

A lot of what the DSM does is group people by patterns of symptoms with medications which seem effective at addressing those symptoms (but maybe not the underlying causes). It isn’t really so good at understanding underlining causes of mental health in detail, or the importance of the individual’s situation and past.

[Jimjam]

For the record I’m not a psychiatrist, just someone with an interest in psychology so take all that with a pinch of salt. Obviously my understanding has limits. I want to make clear the boundaries of my competence.

[SorenVC]

Science will NEVER admit that they're wrong and we live on a flat surface earth and that astronomy is a lie. The sun and moon might be projections from the black sun in the center of creation and the sun looks like it's moving in the sky making bigger circles in winter and smaller ones in summer, basically. And the stars are luminaries and are NOT suns. Planets don't exist they are something else. Look at what NASA gives you for pictures of planets and realize that no human can recreate these pictures with a telescope or camera. It's all fake cgi just like the image of the beast earth.

https://canadiangeographic.ca/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/baphy-1440x781.jpg

And what's the most pathetic is that astronomists study this trash all their life and never realize that earth is a flat surface we're living on and that the sphere planets are just nonsense like the dinosaurs. Made up nonsense. Space and dinosaurs. It's fake. Like how can you dedicate your entire life to study astronomy and never realize that you're in a cult and that it's not real. The sphere earth has to die someday so we can go back to believing in a little truth again. And these therapists will never admit that they're just prescribing drugs and making people addicted to them when their patients probably just needed a little rest from work, family or home.

https://www.reddit.com/r/globeskepticism/

[Ekco]

baphomet is so hilarious, was just a word the church came up with to go after the templars in the 14th century meaning muhammad and and that drawing is from the 19th from some french fanfic/dungeons and dragons supplement book on "magic" and was trademarked in the 1980s by edgy goths for the church of satan

the united states of america is 74 years older than that image, i can't take anything that new AND retarded, seriously.

[Ekco]

https://sigmatestudio.com/images/remi/galactus01.jpg
>100 years from now
galactus is the devourer of worlds! the anicent texts speak of a silver surfer who rebelled against his master's planet-devouring ways

[SorenVC]

baphomet is so hilarious, was just a word the church came up with to go after the templars in the 14th century meaning muhammad and and that drawing is from the 19th from some french fanfic/dungeons and dragons supplement book on "magic" and was trademarked in the 1980s by edgy goths for the church of satan

the united states of america is 74 years older than that image, i can't take anything that new AND retarded, seriously.

Watch this! This earth baphomet and snake is a real image you can download from nasa government site but you can split the earth in half in Photoshop and turn one half upside down then you can get the baphomet and also the snake. I tried in Photoshop it works.

https://steemit.com/informationwar/@xchng/i-noticed-something-very-interesting-about-nasa-s-official-image-of-the-earth

[SorenVC]

https://steemit.com/informationwar/@xchng/i-noticed-something-very-interesting-about-nasa-s-official-image-of-the-earth
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[Jimjam]

Science will NEVER admit that they're wrong

Science is fundamentally wrong as it is not about recreating reality, but creating descriptive, predictive models of reality. Science is regenerative and fundamentally about proving old ideas wrong and replacing those ideas with new ones which better fit reality.

[SorenVC]

Science is fundamentally wrong as it is not about recreating reality, but creating descriptive, predictive models of reality. Science is regenerative and fundamentally about proving old ideas wrong and replacing those ideas with new ones which better fit reality.

They only replace old ideas with new ones when they get money for it. Otherwise nothing's being done. Think of all the countless studies on anything that are being paid to produce the same results. Is that science or a waste of time.

[Jimjam]

Yea, there are huge systemic issues in research funding and publishing. Did you know researchers have to pay journals for a chance to get their work published? And the peer reviewers are not paid? You'd think it would be the otherway around - the journals would be paying researchers for the best content, and the expertise of peer review would be valued!

One of the most obvious problems of this system is it makes it difficult for outsiders to break into published academia (an environment with the slogan 'publish or perish'), particularly as it essentially requires someone to bankroll researchers. Gatekeepers for funding can ensure only research with favourable findings will ever make it to completion, let alone print.

You mention all the studies being paid to find the same results, but actually in many ways it is the opposite - reproducability of results is core to science, YET in realistic terms the academic system only really values research which produces new findings. This means if 300 studies reproduce a finding, but one study (by chance of data, rather than actual reflection of reality) contradicts the establishment, the controversial study will be the one getting published, putting it on an even pegging with the prior published study (even though the original study has 300 unpublished replications supporting it and the contradictory study has nothing behind it at all).

[SorenVC]

I'm not gonna read all that. I have a digital life to pursue.

[OriginalContentGuy]

Based purely on the content I'll choose to read jimjam's position over yours Soren any day ending in -y.

He sounds intelligent and would appear to be rational at this time while it your post history reads like you shouldn't run with anything sharper than crayon.

[OriginalContentGuy]

Jim I had no idea. I enjoyed reading you. Happy Sunday mate

[SorenVC]

You do you. But I can guarantee you that earth is flat and not a sphere and that planets don't exist. It's just luminaries (stars) and those planet things are not actual planets or something touchable. NASA means "to deceive" in Hebrew.

[SorenVC]

If science and these studies are so good and truthful why aren't there studies being made that expose the sphere earth for the big lie it is. It's so fake it's the biggest freemason lie of them all. It's just as fake as those silly looking dinosaurs.

If studies are good, why are they lying or avoiding the sphere earth hoax? Earth is actually flat. It's obvious by now that earth is not a sphere and that the surface of it is flat and not moving. And whoever believes in dinosaurs believes in anything.

[OriginalContentGuy]

https://skepticalinquirer.org/1990/01/a-field-guide-to-critical-thinking/

[Jimjam]

It's interesting that after you said science refuses to admit it is wrong, you didn't engage with my post - perhaps because you feel it opposed your position. If you are inclined toward conspiratorial or skeptical thinking, then maybe it will be worth taking a second look as actually there is a lot of agreement with the systematic problems in science and how it is impacted by funding etc.

The take away of my post was not at all that published studies are all truthful and good. It doesn't make sense that you kept hounding that point as I was in fact very critical of the system.

Regarding flat earth, I have to give the qualified agreement that at the scale with which humans as individuals interact with the world, it is sensible to treat it as flat. Any curvature is not meaningfully significant compared to local topography and surface travel in day to day life.

Interesting fact about NASA meaning deceive in hebrew. Thank you for sharing that. I tried looking at translations from english to hebrew for deceive, trick, fool, etc, but they always gave me a word which came out sounding more like leramot. Am I being deceived?! I have some jewish friends I normally see over christmas for DnD so I'll ask what they have to say on the matter :).

[SorenVC]

The entire NASA thing is a joke run by freemasons.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxRGxyMaIAM1zja.jpg
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https://i.pinimg.com/736x/ae/b2/5c/aeb25c6033e7ad31093ce67177883134.jpg

[Jimjam]

I'll be honest, those numbers don't really make sense to me. They look like an effective meme someone has made however they came to those numbers... Why are the compasses all circled? Is that some kind of joke that compasses are useful for drawing a circle of a specific radius?

Newton was an incredible mathemtician. Did you know he invented (derived?) calculus in order to describe the motions of the heavenly bodies? I got a copy of his principa mathematica, translated into English though (Latin was the Lingua Franca for a great period due to it's international study making it a decent way to transmit knowledge across borders). Often when people were described as illiterate it meant they couldn't read or write latin, not that they couldn't read at all in their own tongue. He also did a good study of light. Look at this crazy little rainbow that manifests on his bedroom wall!

Anyway, I visited Newton's childhood house. It is where he was free enough to commit to his work (there was a lockdown which prevented him from staying at University to stop the spread of disease). It is really funny, cos he is always described as coming from humble origin, but really it is a pretty big house with a decent whack of worked land attached to it (for which he had labourers). It really highlighted the discrepancy between the absurd wealth of those who write history, those who have some opportunities, and those who represent the most everyday people. If you're ever in the UK it is a good visit.

https://mrandmrsromance.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Visiting-Newtons-tree-8-Newtons-bedroom.jpg

[Reiwa]

baphomet is so hilarious, was just a word the church came up with to go after the templars in the 14th century meaning muhammad and and that drawing is from the 19th from some french fanfic/dungeons and dragons supplement book on "magic" and was trademarked in the 1980s by edgy goths for the church of satan

the united states of america is 74 years older than that image, i can't take anything that new AND retarded, seriously.

https://sigmatestudio.com/images/remi/galactus01.jpg
>100 years from now
galactus is the devourer of worlds! the anicent texts speak of a silver surfer who rebelled against his master's planet-devouring ways

What about the Lesser Key of Solomon before 1904?

[Reiwa]

It's interesting that after you said science refuses to admit it is wrong, you didn't engage with my post - perhaps because you feel it opposed your position. If you are inclined toward conspiratorial or skeptical thinking, then maybe it will be worth taking a second look as actually there is a lot of agreement with the systematic problems in science and how it is impacted by funding etc.

The take away of my post was not at all that published studies are all truthful and good. It doesn't make sense that you kept hounding that point as I was in fact very critical of the system.

Regarding flat earth, I have to give the qualified agreement that at the scale with which humans as individuals interact with the world, it is sensible to treat it as flat. Any curvature is not meaningfully significant compared to local topography and surface travel in day to day life.

Interesting fact about NASA meaning deceive in hebrew. Thank you for sharing that. I tried looking at translations from english to hebrew for deceive, trick, fool, etc, but they always gave me a word which came out sounding more like leramot. Am I being deceived?! I have some jewish friends I normally see over christmas for DnD so I'll ask what they have to say on the matter :).

The maternal mortality study quoted by a famous non-biologist turned out to be misleading. (https://x.com/gen0m1cs/status/1906816807358386309)

[Jimjam]

curvature of a square mile

I'm not up to snuff on geometry, but this phrasing didn't really make sense to me. Can you explain it?

I'm reading up on curvature, and how it applies to 2d shapes like circles, rather than spheres. Is there a way to describe the curvature of a sphere without flattening it into a simple 2d circle? That is amusing in and of itself if we have to make earth flat to describe the curvature!

But anyway, if you look at wiki (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curvature#Circle) the curvature of a circle as a length is derived from inverting the radius of the circle, and has nothing to do with area. ie curvature = 1/R Taking the supposed radius of the earth, 6.38 million meters comes out as 5.1424E-07 feet. That doesn't match your meme's numbers? I think they just made up a bunch of stuff to sound good and feed into your hebrew/masonryspiracy?

I'll see if I can work out how curvature of surfaces works and maybe report back later.

[Ekco]

What about the Lesser Key of Solomon before 1904?

https://media2.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExOHJqZ3E0d3g3NDNqaTJvYWNuMnV1dmd tbzNrYm04MXl0MjB2Y2YwYSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfY nlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/xThtayslX0EjQ8XS5a/giphy.gif

idk fuck all about either other than it's occultism and influenced aleister crowley's thing

[Ekco]

Interesting fact about NASA meaning deceive in hebrew.

To Lift/Carry (נָשָׂא, nāśāʼ or nasa): This is a very common verb used over 600 times in the Bible.
Literal meaning: To lift, carry, bear, or take away an object (e.g., carrying the Ark of the Covenant).
Figurative meaning: To bear a burden or responsibility, to endure, to forgive (which is seen as lifting the guilt off someone), or to be exalted.
Worship context: Used in calls to "lift up" hands or voices in prayer and praise.

To Deceive/Beguile (נָשָׁא, nāshāʼ H5377): This root is used to mean leading astray, deluding, or seducing.
Biblical examples: It appears in Genesis 3:13, where Eve says, "The serpent deceived me". It is also used by the prophets to warn against false prophets and self-deception.

off by 1 letter, sounds similar though nasha, nasa. but nasa is a acronym not a word, "National Aeronautics and Space Administration" translates to who the fuck cares.

nasa in Hebrew Gematria equals 132
boom in Hebrew Gematria equals 132
https://c.tenor.com/bD9vHNiR1rQAAAAd/tenor.gif
jews did the Challenger disaster then obviously

the torah number shit is pretty interesting though, always loved this scene in Pi

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[Cecily]

Can you guys take the schizoposting to esoteric knowledge please?

[loramin]

Tell me you're a paranoid schizophrenic without telling me you're a paranoid schizophrenic:
The entire NASA thing is a joke run by freemasons.

[Ekco]

i don't know much, but i do know masonic boomers aren't running shit. Especially not a flat earth nasa hoax lol

https://i.imgur.com/ShhtRyf.png

[Reiwa]

Tell me you're a paranoid schizophrenic without telling me you're a paranoid schizophrenic:

But he did tell you.

Damn sociopathy and psychopathy is outdated? Maybe my schizophrenia, asperger, psychosis diagnosis is also outdated? Maybe it never existed at all? Maybe I'm just addicted to pills now after taking them for 12 years? Maybe some people just wanted to get money from health insurance for them pills? What else is outdated or never existed at all? The entire thing?

[Jimjam]

edit: ninjad by the mighty ReiwaTell me you're a paranoid schizophrenic without telling me you're a paranoid schizophrenic:

This feels a bit judgey to me, Loramin. I know you have a kind side too. Soren_VC has been kind enough to be very open about their condition. I don't think it is cool to pick them out because of it, especially as it is something it is hard to do much about.

We all have our own subjective experience of reality, Soren has theirs, I have mine, you have yours. I know there is some hypocricy in this coming from me, as I know I can be a tricksy hobbit, but lets try to be kind.

edit: SorenVC I enjoy interacting with you, or at least reacting to your posts. If I'm ever too much for you then you are welcome to tell me to back off or whatever you need. PM or reply is fine :)

[SorenVC]

Tell me you're a paranoid schizophrenic without telling me you're a paranoid schizophrenic:

Yeah just because you can't accept what your eyes see I'm a paranoid schizophrenic. I'm actually an undifferentiated schizophrenic when I was 17 but they just be making stuff up to sell those pills. Take the pill for 3 years like an antipsychotic and you have to take it your entire life. Easy money.

Also I posted proof, paintings of all those dead sphere earth scientists exposed with the freemasonic square and compass in their paintings. And before you ask: "So JUST because there's a square and compass in their painting it means they are freemasons?" YES!! And if there was a swastika in my painting then I would be a nazi.

But I'm not. And the math adds up you can figure this out yourself if you change the metric system numbers to an imperial system then you'll often get 666 from that sphere earth model. It's literally in the image you can just try changing the system to imperial or metric and you'll get triple sixes.

[SorenVC]

So can you tell me what a sociopath and a psychopath is or not? Is this some other made up shit in psychology so they can put you in a box and lock you up or ridicule you?

[Jimjam]

Is it made up? That is science in a nutshell, isn’t it?

It is made up, but it is also the best guess at the time and subject to revision.

An ongoing an iterative process using the data available at the time for a best attempt at creating a model which can describe and predict phenomena, but subject to economic, social and political forces.

Medicine, psychology, welfare policy are all in some way tied up with those processes.

[SorenVC]

Is it made up? That is science in a nutshell, isn’t it?

It is made up, but it is also the best guess at the time and subject to revision.

An ongoing an iterative process using the data available at the time for a best attempt at creating a model which can describe and predict phenomena, but subject to economic, social and political forces.

Medicine, psychology, welfare policy are all in some way tied up with those processes.

So why do I have to believe everything the government and tv tell me. Why can't I just be a flat earther and a climate change denier and what else there is. And why are most reviews here very bad if this med is good.

https://www.drugs.com/comments/olanzapine/

10/10 and lots of 1/10. Kinda sus if you ask me.

[Jimjam]

So why do I have to believe everything the government and tv tell me. Why can't I just be a flat earther and a climate change denier and what else there is. And why are most reviews here very bad if this med is good.

https://www.drugs.com/comments/olanzapine/

10/10 and lots of 1/10. Kinda sus if you ask me.

Good questions. That shouldn’t have happened to you or them.

[SorenVC]

I'm still waiting on sociopathy and psychopathy definition. Can noone tell me? And if you can't why believe the other terms they come up with. It's just a business to sell pharma pills and make them addicted for life so they can get more money out of health insurance.

I would be in a lot of pain and couldn't sleep a minute if I didn't take my olanzapine at night. Only because I've been taking this drug since I was 17 and now am almost 29. Maybe it helped me when I was 17 but I don't know for sure. It feels more like you just get put on pills immediately when you go to a psychiatry.

Antidepressants and antipsychotics. Antipsychotics are much worse in my experience. I dropped the sertraline antidepressant with no problems.

[shovelquest]

well, climate change did turn out to be fake.

[SorenVC]

well, climate change did turn out to be fake.

When did that happen though? Have I missed the big news?

[SorenVC]

I did my "research" on YouTube and reddit reading some comments and I made up my mind that I don't trust the official news the government creates for us by financing studies and mass media.

[Reiwa]

I'll be honest, those numbers don't really make sense to me. They look like an effective meme someone has made however they came to those numbers... Why are the compasses all circled? Is that some kind of joke that compasses are useful for drawing a circle of a specific radius?

Newton was an incredible mathemtician. Did you know he invented (derived?) calculus in order to describe the motions of the heavenly bodies? I got a copy of his principa mathematica, translated into English though (Latin was the Lingua Franca for a great period due to it's international study making it a decent way to transmit knowledge across borders). Often when people were described as illiterate it meant they couldn't read or write latin, not that they couldn't read at all in their own tongue. He also did a good study of light. Look at this crazy little rainbow that manifests on his bedroom wall!

Anyway, I visited Newton's childhood house. It is where he was free enough to commit to his work (there was a lockdown which prevented him from staying at University to stop the spread of disease). It is really funny, cos he is always described as coming from humble origin, but really it is a pretty big house with a decent whack of worked land attached to it (for which he had labourers). It really highlighted the discrepancy between the absurd wealth of those who write history, those who have some opportunities, and those who represent the most everyday people. If you're ever in the UK it is a good visit.

https://mrandmrsromance.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Visiting-Newtons-tree-8-Newtons-bedroom.jpg

Some devices Copernicus (the robot says) would likely have used to calculate the Heliocentric model of the solar system before Newton. I get the impression these were more useful before calculus was discovered.

Triquetrum:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3f/Dreistab_00.jpg

Quadrant:
https://coimages.sciencemuseumgroup.org.uk/58/741/medium_1876_1530__0003_.jpg

Armillary sphere? This seems newer.
https://static.wixstatic.com/media/a4762e_8813fac44cd842448d20b9a82ca2f178~mv2.png/v1/fill/w_862,h_650,al_c,q_90,enc_avif,quality_auto/a4762e_8813fac44cd842448d20b9a82ca2f178~mv2.png

The chopsticks thing is more noticeable because it's still around.

[Cecily]

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[Jimjam]

I’m sorry Soren, but I must point out no one here actually seems to be simping for the pharmaceutical industry here. Nor the damaging / ever changing diagnoses they try put on you.

To me it feels like you have a lot of pent up frustration on how it has impacted you and this seems as good a place as any to vent about it.

[shovelquest]

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Based.

[shovelquest]

When did that happen though? Have I missed the big news?

nah its just fake and everyone knows it. Theres still a lot of genX-melinials that need to cope with it so its just kind of being slowly forgotten about.

[SorenVC]

I mean I'm just saying I have experience with antidepressants and antipsychotics cause I'm actually taking these pills. If you were given a choice to take these pills or not and you feel good right now, would you rather listen to the therapist who gives everyone pills or to me who would recommend not taking any pills?

As I said the antidepressant sertraline was nothing. It didn't do anything. But that antipsychotic stuff is dangerous. You will need it all your life if you take it for 2 years. I tried quitting 5 times it's impossible. Maybe with a ridiculously slow taper off like 7.25 mg for 6 months then 7 mg for 6 months and so on. But it's kinda unnecessary to try this.

I can still go to work and play videogames but I gotta say I'm pretty sure it's like an invisible big handicap on me. It makes you tired and slow and I can't even fall asleep without taking my olanzapine. Cold turkey off this shit and you will die and feel pain. But as long as you take it you might only get a headache in the morning and feel a bit tired or have a racing mind but I think that's cause of my schizophrenia, right?

[Reiwa]

Based.

War IS lawless. Not sure about the rest.

[Cecily]

Well you take A = 6, B = 12, C = 18 and so on an so forth.

[SorenVC]

I’m sorry Soren, but I must point out no one here actually seems to be simping for the pharmaceutical industry here. Nor the damaging / ever changing diagnoses they try put on you.

To me it feels like you have a lot of pent up frustration on how it has impacted you and this seems as good a place as any to vent about it.

Jimjam you're kind and smart. You are very right. I use project1999 forum as a vent. I posted some stuff that can get me banned from life here. But noone will ever read it, I hope. I just want to make sure that you know I'm a flat earther and a climate change denier.

[Reiwa]

Well you take A = 6, B = 12, C = 18 and so on an so forth.

The Vatican 2 mention pairs with sedevacantism (and a nice Chianti.)

https://images3.memedroid.com/images/UPLOADED289/60aa091f713fd.jpeg

[SorenVC]

nah its just fake and everyone knows it. Theres still a lot of genX-melinials that need to cope with it so its just kind of being slowly forgotten about.

Isn't that the same with this? People are just too slow to catch up.

https://www.renegadetribune.com/dave-gahary-interviews-victor-thorn-holocaust-hoax-exposed/

There's a free 55 minute podcast on that website. From Victor Thorn. Why not listen to it if interested in this thing?

[Cecily]

Jimjam you're kind and smart. You are very right. I use project1999 forum as a vent. I posted some stuff that can get me banned from life here. But noone will ever read it, I hope. I just want to make sure that you know I'm a flat earther and a climate change denier.
I think you're getting lost in the weeds. There's very good reason to be skeptical of psych medication and the uh science of psychiatry / psychology as a whole. Iatrogenic events are fucking common with anti-psychotics. Sociopath is more a moral judgement than a mental illness. Mental illnesses are subjectively defined. The science backing the field has a huge reproducibility problem. Yeah there's great reasons to be distrustful of it. In your case it's probably more a question of judgement and discernment. If you give equal weight to bullshit, you're gonna have trouble with uncomfortable truths as well.

[Jimjam]

Jimjam you're kind and smart. You are very right. I use project1999 forum as a vent. I posted some stuff that can get me banned from life here. But noone will ever read it, I hope.
Thank you for your kind words ☺️
I just want to make sure that you know I'm a flat earther and a climate change denier.
Thats fine by me, if it matters.

[Jimjam]

well, climate change did turn out to be fake.

This documentary says otherwise:

BjJvOm94W5U

I amar prestar aen, the world is changed
Han mathon ne nen, I feel it in the water
Han mathon ne chae, I feel it in the Earth
A han noston ned gwilith, I smell it in the air
much that once was is lost, for none now live who remember it.

[shovelquest]

This documentary says otherwise:

BjJvOm94W5U

I amar prestar aen, the world is changed
Han mathon ne nen, I feel it in the water
Han mathon ne chae, I feel it in the Earth
A han noston ned gwilith, I smell it in the air
much that once was is lost, for none now live who remember it.


That's actually in the future, after we invent birthing pods.

Create a bunch of super species.

Then have a crazy war that sends us back to the stone age.

Then the b̶o̶o̶k̶ m̶o̶v̶i̶e̶ documentary starts like 100000 years later.

[Reiwa]

a climate change denier.

Being right too early is indistinguishable from being wrong (https://cliffmass.blogspot.com/2019/08/is-global-warming-existential-threat.html)

[SorenVC]

shovelquest always derails the topic to some random shit and has the last comment on any thread ever. :D

[shovelquest]

shovelquest always derails the topic to some random shit and has the last comment on any thread ever. :D

OT is just one giant thread and all the threads are connected. :D

https://i.imgur.com/hrW8iHT.gif

[SorenVC]

I just wanna say that I will most likely never get a wife or have sex because I would prefer a flat earther woman or at least into conspiracies so that I don't get judged for my basic beliefs of being a flat earther and such. So I'm okay with that. Also not a fan of becoming a father to children I can't imagine myself executing authority.

When I got angry people laughed at me all the time because my voice sounds gay so I just stopped it and now I live in a 1 room apartment and play videogames or watch the internet all day. And I'm trying to quit watching porn but it's kinda impossible. :D when I ever get tired with Battlefield 6 I might start working out tho. I just wanna say even though I can only sleep with antipsychotics and am addicted to porn, I still have videogames to play and bourbon to drink and I already read the entire Bible NKJV in 2024. So I got things to do and I'm kinda happy.

I just need to learn how to not be offended when someone says that I'm a denier or a flat earther or a schizophrenic or retarded. I need to learn humility and accept this harassment. One day your kids will become flat earthers like me, because it's the truth. NASA is wrong on every level about everything... Just go here and linger a bit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/globeskepticism/

[Cecily]

You know I've been thinking about that, how that we are all one shit comes up in connection to psychedelics so often and it's either A: True because separate people experience the same phenomenon simultaneously or B: That's how a fucking mushroom would think.

[SorenVC]

OT is just one giant thread and all the threads are connected. :D

https://i.imgur.com/hrW8iHT.gif

In discord you're not allowed to post memes in general.

[loramin]

This feels a bit judgey to me, Loramin.

Sorry, I should have said an off their meds paranoid schizophrenic. I would never fault someone for having an illness ... but I would for not taking care of said illness.

Yeah just because you can't accept what your eyes see I'm a paranoid schizophrenic. I'm actually an undifferentiated schizophrenic when I was 17 but they just be making stuff up to sell those pills. Take the pill for 3 years like an antipsychotic and you have to take it your entire life. Easy money.

We all get dealt the cards we're dealt, and for some of us that means mental illness.

But you still always have a choice: do the easy thing and listen to the drugs that your brain is producing, or do the hard thing ... and try do something about them.

As someone with mental illness myself, I very much value my sanity. Unlike most people, who get to take it for granted, I don't ... which is all the more reason why I feel you made an incredibly terrible trade by giving that sanity away in exchange for a drug high.

[SorenVC]

What do you mean? I was put in psychiatry at 16 years due to anxiety and underweight. I had birthday there at 17 they put me on antipsychotics. They said it was good for me. 3 years (or so) later I realized something feels off but then it was too late. I quit cold turkey 5 times no success and my mom and therapist always tell me to just take the medicine all my life. I don't feel like I had a choice to not take this antipsychotics. It was a choice others made for me.

[SorenVC]

But to be honest after all this I don't really believe in mental illness. I have ocd stuff too for sure but it's not too bad and it's just frustration with life. Mental illness doesn't really exist you're just exhausted or there's some complex problem with real life. It's not really in your head. Most suicidal people can be fixed if given $5 million, no?

[shovelquest]

We all get dealt the cards we're dealt, and for some of us that means mental illness.

But you still always have a choice

Yeah pull up them bootstraps!

They were asking for it.

Keep it in the bedroom.

Etc.

https://i.imgur.com/wcEI4Re.png

[SorenVC]

Yeah pull up them bootstraps!

They were asking for it.

Keep it in the bedroom.

Etc.

https://i.imgur.com/wcEI4Re.png

Have a choice:
1 take the pills and live with a little handicap
2 die from no sleep and withdrawal symptoms of the antipsychotic

[loramin]

What do you mean? I was put in psychiatry at 16 years due to anxiety and underweight. I had birthday there at 17 they put me on antipsychotics. They said it was good for me. 3 years (or so) later I realized something feels off but then it was too late. I quit cold turkey 5 times no success and my mom and therapist always tell me to just take the medicine all my life. I don't feel like I had a choice to not take this antipsychotics. It was a choice others made for me.

You just covered the choice: fight for sanity, or throw it away. The people who loved and cared about you wanted you to fight, but you gave up. You chose poorly.

[SorenVC]

You just covered the choice: fight for sanity, or throw it away. The people who loved and cared about you wanted you to fight, but you gave up. You chose poorly.

I don't get it. What do you mean fight? Fight what? I tried to quit olanzapine 5 times. It is a very addictive drug and everyone always kept telling me to take this medicine all my life so I went along. My mom was scared I would not take my medicine and some of those cold turkeys were covert spec ops missions for me. :D you take 7.5 mg Olanzapine for 5 years or longer and try to quit. It's literally impossible.

[shovelquest]

Lormain has a medical condition where if he says something wrong, he will double down and say the most hypocritical things to prove he is right. :o

Like, TIL he's a hardcore libertarian and thinks its ok to make fun of people who don't pull themselves up by their own bootstraps in this context. :eek:

[SorenVC]

"Should I not drink the cup which was given to me by God?" God wants me to take Olanzapine. Otherwise he wouldn't have given me this crucification/pill. It's that simple really.

[shovelquest]

B748QwVne64

[SorenVC]

B748QwVne64

Accurate.

[Jimjam]

Soren, you may be interested in checking out the papers by Joanna Moncrieff (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joanna_Moncrieff). She is a psychiatrist and research scientist, but in many ways very anti-establishment.

Not all of her controversial arguments make sense to me, but I've not been a psychiatrist for 30 years, so what do I know. I feel like some of it may resonate with you.

[Jimjam]

searching her name at scholar.google.com and filtering the pages to recent years produces lots of interesting stuff, much of it requires no subscriptions to view.


e.g. Antipsychotic dose reduction and discontinuation versus maintenance treatment in people with schizophrenia and other recurrent psychotic disorders in England (the RADAR trial): an open, parallel-group, randomised controlled trial

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpsy/article/PIIS2215-0366(23)00258-4/fulltext

A summarized summary:
Maintenance antipsychotic medication is recommended for people with schizophrenic diagnoses, but with adverse effects, and little evidence on long-term outcomes.

The study compared a gradual antipsychotic reduction with maintenance treatment for harms and benefits. The hypothesis was that antipsychotic reduction would improve social functioning with a short-term increase in relapse. At 2-year follow-up, a gradual, supported process of antipsychotic dose reduction had no effect on social functioning.

The authors hope their data can inform decisions regardling long term antipsychotic medication.

[SorenVC]

Soren, you may be interested in checking out the papers by Joanna Moncrieff (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joanna_Moncrieff). She is a psychiatrist and research scientist, but in many ways very anti-establishment.

Not all of her controversial arguments make sense to me, but I've not been a psychiatrist for 30 years, so what do I know. I feel like some of it may resonate with you.

I prefer staying a virgin not having sex and only going outside to go to work or buy groceries. And I will take my pills and shut up in real life. I will be like Gordon Freeman but without his grand accomplishment of saving the world. At least I have money to buy bourbon and play Battlefield 6. I spent some money on this game. Pretty sure that I won't get a flat earther wife so I don't really care about that much anymore.

I surrender to God who has given me these pills in the first place. Jesus said "shall I not drink the cup which was given to me by my father?" And then accepted the crucification. This is about damage control now. I have radical views that oppose the far left liberal mainstream view forced down our throats, and I say, hey, you have won. I give up.

But at least let me write down my schizo views on this awesome forum. Earth is FLAT!

[loramin]

I don't get it. What do you mean fight? Fight what? I tried to quit olanzapine 5 times. It is a very addictive drug and everyone always kept telling me to take this medicine all my life so I went along. My mom was scared I would not take my medicine and some of those cold turkeys were covert spec ops missions for me. :D you take 7.5 mg Olanzapine for 5 years or longer and try to quit. It's literally impossible.

If you don't like the cost of sanity, you find a different way to pay for it. If Olanzapine was too annoying, try a different drug, or try taking a lower dosage, or try taking another drug to counteract the effects.

But you don't just give up and sacrifice your sanity. Sanity is such a precious thing.

[loramin]

Lormain has a medical condition where if he says something wrong, he will double down and say the most hypocritical things to prove he is right. :o

Like, TIL he's a hardcore libertarian and thinks its ok to make fun of people who don't pull themselves up by their own bootstraps in this context. :eek:

And you're anti-sanity Shovel?

[SorenVC]

Earth is FLAT! kwok. Quack.
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQWYD-HZ-uaPt0SLO3Ens_prfjsX7nc08XI56zo3PG8iPL9z4OwUdQTT7k&s=10

[SorenVC]

I'm sane. It's that you are insane because you believe in sphere earth and other lies. That's why I appear insane to you. Kwok.

[SorenVC]

I mean WHAT in the world must I do to become sane for loramin? Do I have to flush down my pills in the toilet and die or do I have to change my world view so that it fits with the television. I don't understand why people still wonder that people believe in conspiracies. So just because I'm a "conspiracy theorist" I am not a valuable human being anymore?

The best thing to do is to be quiet and let other people have this fight until God resolves it. Because the majority always wins regardless if it's the truth or a lie.

[SorenVC]

NASA is some shady freemason organization. Noone knows what the fk they need $75.5 million a day for. And I have given you the images that expose these astronauts as freemasons. They are even doing the hand gestures of freemasons and wearing the rings. I posted those pictures in this thread already. What more do you need.

[Reiwa]

NASA is some shady freemason organization. Noone knows what the fk they need $75.5 million a day for. And I have given you the images that expose these astronauts as freemasons. They are even doing the hand gestures of freemasons and wearing the rings. I posted those pictures in this thread already. What more do you need.

You haven't explained what the problem is with freemasonry.

But to answer the $75m dollar (dollar dollar) question, PERS is probably a lot of it.

[SorenVC]

You haven't explained what the problem is with freemasonry.

But to answer the $75m dollar (dollar dollar) question, PERS is probably a lot of it.

They are devil worshippers. Here's what google ai says about nasa lucifer.

The Real LUCI/Lucifer Instrument:
What it is: An acronym for LUCIFER: Large Binocular Telescope Near-infrared Utility with Camera and Integral Field Unit for Extragalactic Research.
Location: It's mounted on the Large Binocular Telescope (LBT) on Mount Graham, Arizona, next to the Vatican Observatory.
Purpose: To capture high-resolution images and spectra in the infrared, helping astronomers see through cosmic dust to study distant galaxies.
Name Origin: German scientists named it because "Lucifer" sounded cool and historical in their secular context, not for religious or evil reasons.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ_cEtvS90vEEpssTLDKq_m5qLhzbYdp 9eVNfp1a9tSCq2awt1jF9zOM4Q&s=10

They leave hints like maths that give you triple 6s for the heliocentric system. Sun worshippers. I have already posted a few images that look satanic observing basic NASA stuff. Most high ranking politicians and people of status are freemasons like the scientists for the globe earth.

https://i.imgur.com/J3Iv6dD.png

[shovelquest]

And you're anti-sanity Shovel?

Making fun of someone is not the same as being a doctor.

[Reiwa]

They are devil worshippers. Here's what google ai says about nasa lucifer.

The Real LUCI/Lucifer Instrument:
What it is: An acronym for LUCIFER: Large Binocular Telescope Near-infrared Utility with Camera and Integral Field Unit for Extragalactic Research.
Location: It's mounted on the Large Binocular Telescope (LBT) on Mount Graham, Arizona, next to the Vatican Observatory.
Purpose: To capture high-resolution images and spectra in the infrared, helping astronomers see through cosmic dust to study distant galaxies.
Name Origin: German scientists named it because "Lucifer" sounded cool and historical in their secular context, not for religious or evil reasons.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ_cEtvS90vEEpssTLDKq_m5qLhzbYdp 9eVNfp1a9tSCq2awt1jF9zOM4Q&s=10

They leave hints like maths that give you triple 6s for the heliocentric system. Sun worshippers. I have already posted a few images that look satanic observing basic NASA stuff. Most high ranking politicians and people of status are freemasons like the scientists for the globe earth.

https://i.imgur.com/J3Iv6dD.png

What's wrong with liking the sun? I don't personally but that's not the point.

[loramin]

I mean WHAT in the world must I do to become sane for loramin?

You shouldn't become sane for me or anyone else: you should do it because you value your own sanity.

Clearly you don't though.

[SorenVC]

What's wrong with liking the sun?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/89/Foster_Bible_Pictures_0074-1_Offering_to_Molech.jpg

[shovelquest]

NASA is some shady freemason organization.

They hate exploration, they dont think outside the box, theyre the most conformist people in society, thats every nasa employee.

A conformist. Not a scientist.

[Reiwa]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/89/Foster_Bible_Pictures_0074-1_Offering_to_Molech.jpg

Is that Galactus? Use your words.

[SorenVC]

Is that Galactus? Use your words.

Yeah it's that Galactus dude that shovelquest brought up from star trek or whatever it's called.

[shovelquest]

https://i.imgur.com/d71WX1T.png

https://i.imgur.com/O0O0TtH.png

[Reiwa]

Yeah it's that Galactus dude that shovelquest brought up from star trek or whatever it's called.

I like this one. It's colorful.

https://blacknerdproblems.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Thor-Panel.png

[Ekco]

Noone knows what the fk they need $75.5 million a day for.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemis_program R&D ain't cheap

and like they have a public budget,
https://www.nasa.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/nasa-fy-2024-cj-v3.pdf

which is a lot more than you can say for the pentagon for example

Total DoD Request (FY2026): Around $961.6 billion (including Army, Navy, Air Force, etc.).

and they can't pass an audit for numerous years in a row now


this is now a NASA is cool The (new) Space Thread 🌌📡🔭🗿🛸🤖 overflow thread.
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praise Baphomet

[Reiwa]

and like they have a public budget,
https://www.nasa.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/nasa-fy-2024-cj-v3.pdf

Planetary defense funding on page 6, NEO.

[shovelquest]

Space is cool, nasa sucks!

Nasa sent the first like 16 nazi scientists that won the space race to the reptoid mothership now it sucks,

[shovelquest]

Man its crazy to hear this guy talk about how they had a reusable system (something we use now), but went with disposable.

Talk about a goverment operation.

What a load of shit.

[Reiwa]

Man its crazy to hear this guy talk about how they had a reusable system (something we use now), but went with disposable.

Talk about a goverment operation.

What a load of shit.

We had a reusable system. It was called the space shuttle. It blew up twice.

I think SpaceX lands the booster?

[Reiwa]

After burnout, they were jettisoned, and parachuted into the Atlantic Ocean, where they were recovered, examined, refurbished, and reused. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_Solid_Rocket_Booster)

This guy's an inventor?

[shovelquest]

We had a reusable system. It was called the space shuttle. It blew up twice.

I think SpaceX lands the booster?

he was talking about the orange rocket under the space shuttle!

[Duik]

Do we have 2 "Am I talking to a special person" threads running concurrently?

[Jimjam]

Do we have 2 "Am I talking to a special person" threads running concurrently?

You know that we are all special friends in our own way here. It is everythread.

[Ekco]

none of you are real, i'm in a coma or simulation and the steady progression of reality getting crazier is just due to my brain being depraved of oxygen and slowly dying or something

[shovelquest]

It's pretty rad that existence is so insane we convinced ourselves it's all fake lol

[SorenVC]

SO WHO is a sociopath and who is a psychopath? Who is the best human example for those?

To my knowledge Gary Smith from Bully is a sociopath:

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And Red John (The Mentalist) or Leo Kasper (Manhunt 2) is a psychopath.

But I still don't understand what it means?

[arvidez]

i like, the psychopath would commit first degree murder(calculated), sociopath second degree(impulsive).

[Ciderpress]

Clinical definitions are kind of cloudy because they rely on the self-report of the afflicted. Until we can literally read minds with electrode things or whatever, concluding that somebody "didn't feel bad" when they did a thing just because they told you they didn't isn't much better than speculation.

[Wakanda]

All Imma say is the definition of sociopath and psychopath changed a lot from what they taught us in college 15 years ago. To the point of me questioning what the point of studying psychology even was.