how is tracking for 72 hour allowed

[hatterene]

we alll know no human can do it , so why is cheating allowed?

[loramin]

Guilds.

[hatterene]

how is it guilds if the person doesn't log out

[Cecily]

we alll know no human can do it , so why is cheating allowed?
These people aren't humans.

[hatterene]

That's what I'm saying
Why is management turning a blind eye when they're obviously botting

[kjs86z2]

its a tough time of the year

[Reiwa]

It's not about tracking for your friends, it's about denying others the option to track for their friends.

[hatterene]

I'm starting to think there might be something more going on. Why would management choose to let a few people hold a camp for literal years when it's totally obvious they are using 3rd party software to track.

But that's not the only thing. Tracking alone is going to bring out cheaters we all know that cheaters win on the internet. Couldn't there be a list or something at highly sought after camps like there was on the start of green. Or locking out certain players after a reasonable amount of times looting or being a major player in the mob

[sammoHung]

I'm starting to think there might be something more going on. Why would management choose to let a few people hold a camp for literal years when it's totally obvious they are using 3rd party software to track.

But that's not the only thing. Tracking alone is going to bring out cheaters we all know that cheaters win on the internet. Couldn't there be a list or something at highly sought after camps like there was on the start of green. Or locking out certain players after a reasonable amount of times looting or being a major player in the mob

See project 1999 general discord servers for your answer. You don't even have to look at the UN. The server GM are immature. They engage in trolling, they absolutely take sides.

It's a volunteer staff, they aren't paid employees. We get what we get.

[hatterene]

I have accepted that and I do enjoy the game fwiw. But the shit that goes on is absurd.

How much plat does a group really need, it's mental illness at some point. Are the MQ even being sold at all? Just get rid of MQ it's probably the source of most the RMT. saw a dude with 8 corpses at the AC in oot, as a side note. Unless they are RMTing it I just don't see the point. And if the point is griefing other players it should be addressed. I think almost everyone would agree on that

[sammoHung]

I have accepted that and I do enjoy the game fwiw. But the shit that goes on is absurd

I agree. I have been on both sides of the GMs over my time here.

One time, a GM showed up because of a camp dispute at Fungi King in Sebilis. My group got to camp while it was empty and started clearing. Another group claimed they were there (despite all the mobs being very alive) and petitioned us. The GM resolved this issue by telling us both to /random, and the winner got the camp rights. Once we lost the roll, the GM warned us that if we didn't leave, we'd get temporary account suspensions.

Another time, I was being blatantly KSed by a bard who was mad I tagged mobs off of his 25+ mob swarm. A GM showed up, and suspended him immediately.

And yet another time, when I was part of Kingdom, the guild got a 7-day raid ban and we were told we could not enter ToV (couldn't even pass through to get to Plane of Mischief) because one of the Kingdom UN Speakers asked for clarification on a petition ruling we filed (and lost) for being trained by scummy Castle.

Immature and Churlish. Best bet is to just not play the fuckin server, tbh - which has worked well for me since early 2025.

[WarpathEQ]

If you're seeing the same toon tracking a mob for 72 hours (which isn't even a thing, windows typically last for 16-24 hours at the longest) then 1 of 2 things is likely occuring. Either someone is AFK on that toon, most likely streaming their screen to their guilds discord so others can watch to see if the mob spawns or its a bot and multiple people are swapping in to sit on the character over time.

EQ is hard, it is the biggest time sink of any game ever created, there are so many way better options if you want to enjoy yourself without a big time commitment. The people that play on P99 come here because they want a different experience than exists anywhere else in the gaming world, its certainly not for everyone...not even for most people.

[kjs86z2]

I have accepted that and I do enjoy the game fwiw. But the shit that goes on is absurd.

How much plat does a group really need, it's mental illness at some point. Are the MQ even being sold at all? Just get rid of MQ it's probably the source of most the RMT. saw a dude with 8 corpses at the AC in oot, as a side note. Unless they are RMTing it I just don't see the point. And if the point is griefing other players it should be addressed. I think almost everyone would agree on that

rents due every month

[Jimjam]

rents due every month

Landlord just destroying an earth staff every month for fun.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I agree. I have been on both sides of the GMs over my time here.

One time, a GM showed up because of a camp dispute at Fungi King in Sebilis. My group got to camp while it was empty and started clearing. Another group claimed they were there (despite all the mobs being very alive) and petitioned us. The GM resolved this issue by telling us both to /random, and the winner got the camp rights. Once we lost the roll, the GM warned us that if we didn't leave, we'd get temporary account suspensions.

Another time, I was being blatantly KSed by a bard who was mad I tagged mobs off of his 25+ mob swarm. A GM showed up, and suspended him immediately.

And yet another time, when I was part of Kingdom, the guild got a 7-day raid ban and we were told we could not enter ToV (couldn't even pass through to get to Plane of Mischief) because one of the Kingdom UN Speakers asked for clarification on a petition ruling we filed (and lost) for being trained by scummy Castle.

Immature and Churlish. Best bet is to just not play the fuckin server, tbh - which has worked well for me since early 2025.

I've been on the server for over 10 years, and I have done quite a bit of raiding. Most of my raiding was done in Aftermath, which was a top guild on the Blue server at the time.

Personally I have never had a GM show up for me or my grpup. My philosophy is to simply not fight with the occasional asshole that shows up. 90% or more of my ingame experiences with other players have been pleasant. If someone strong arms their way into a camp, just find another camp for the day. The vast majority of players don't do this. I would only consider petitioning someone if they were strongarming a specific camp every day. In that case I would have video evidence ready. But again, I've never seen someone do that every day for a week straight at any camp.

In terms of raiding, there is a lot of drama. If you don't want to deal with it, just don't worry about it. I had a lot of fun with Aftermath, and I didn't let myself get involved in the various dramas. If your guild gets suspended from something for a week, who cares? Do something else for a week. I have never been in a guild that got punished to the point where it could never do any raiding.

[hatterene]

If you're seeing the same toon tracking a mob for 72 hours (which isn't even a thing, windows typically last for 16-24 hours at the longest) then 1 of 2 things is likely occuring. Either someone is AFK on that toon, most likely streaming their screen to their guilds discord so others can watch to see if the mob spawns or its a bot and multiple people are swapping in to sit on the character over time.

EQ is hard, it is the biggest time sink of any game ever created, there are so many way better options if you want to enjoy yourself without a big time commitment. The people that play on P99 come here because they want a different experience than exists anywhere else in the gaming world, its certainly not for everyone...not even for most people.

Don't be coy it's not helping. There is a real problem on this server

[hatterene]

I've been on the server for over 10 years, and I have done quite a bit of raiding. Most of my raiding was done in Aftermath, which was a top guild on the Blue server at the time.

Personally I have never had a GM show up for me or my grpup. My philosophy is to simply not fight with the occasional asshole that shows up. 90% or more of my ingame experiences with other players have been pleasant. If someone strong arms their way into a camp, just find another camp for the day. The vast majority of players don't do this. I would only consider petitioning someone if they were strongarming a specific camp every day. In that case I would have video evidence ready. But again, I've never seen someone do that every day for a week straight at any camp.

In terms of raiding, there is a lot of drama. If you don't want to deal with it, just don't worry about it. I had a lot of fun with Aftermath, and I didn't let myself get involved in the various dramas. If your guild gets suspended from something for a week, who cares? Do something else for a week. I have never been in a guild that got punished to the point where it could never do any raiding.
Tldr just walk away and let the cheaters cheat

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Tldr just walk away and let the cheaters cheat

I am not sure where in my post you read that. I didn't say that anywhere. "Cheating" is something like dual boxing or RMT. Obviously report anyone that is dual boxing or RMTing.

When it comes to camp disputes, are you suggesting someone taking your camp is "cheating"? They are potentially breaking the PnP, but they aren't "cheating".

My point is that camp disputes are rarely worth GM intervention, and aren't very common. I can probably count on my hand the number of times someone blatantly just walked into my camp and stole it over 10 years, and this includes the time before Green launched, when Blue was peaking at like 1500 players.

When it comes to raiding, you can generally choose whether or not you want to lawyer-quest the other guild or not. I have never been forced into lawyer-questing another guild.

[hatterene]

Tracking 247 and holding a camp for 2 years is cheating

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Tracking 247 and holding a camp for 2 years is cheating

Every guild I have been in has had rotated tracking. One player isn't botting for 72 hours,. You have someone watch the camp for X hours, and then they get replaced by someone else.

If you can prove someone was botting for 72 hours, please petition them and get them banned. But that won't change the end result, because guilds have been doing rotated tracking for years, which is 100% legal.

That is just how non-instanced games work. The longest neckbeards win the prize. That is what people like about P99. If you want instanced Everquest, the TLP servers work just fine.

[Defo]

I agree, it's best to just walk away from the troublesome players -- unfortunately the friend group I was playing with decided to walk away from P99 altogether because of unscrupulous players.

During the Christmas Event, many people came through Sol A and continuously cleared our camps that we had been holding down for sometimes hours before they showed up. Each time it happened, we decided to log off and try again another day.

We went through this ordeal maybe 5-6 days in a row before 3 of the 4 of our group decided that P99 wasn't for them.

I think the ones who can stick around are the ones addicted enough to EverQuest in it's classic era that can overlook a minority of players that can make the game not fun to play. There's a minority of players that would rather dispute a camp rather than get along.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I agree, it's best to just walk away from the troublesome players -- unfortunately the friend group I was playing with decided to walk away from P99 altogether because of unscrupulous players.

During the Christmas Event, many people came through Sol A and continuously cleared our camps that we had been holding down for sometimes hours before they showed up. Each time it happened, we decided to log off and try again another day.

We went through this ordeal maybe 5-6 days in a row before 3 of the 4 of our group decided that P99 wasn't for them.

I think the ones who can stick around are the ones addicted enough to EverQuest in it's classic era that can overlook a minority of players that can make the game not fun to play. There's a minority of players that would rather dispute a camp rather than get along.

P99 is not for players who want to completely avoid friction IMO. P99 is leaps and bounds better than live everquest in 1999, where people were training others and scamming people in EC like crazy. But there will be occasional issues on any non-instanced game.

I do agree that holiday events (especially ones with higher loot chances) bring out the worst in people. Personally i prefered the time when less of these events occured. Back before Green came out, an occasional xp boost was the best you could hope for.

[hatterene]

Every guild I have been in has had rotated tracking. One player isn't botting for 72 hours,. You have someone watch the camp for X hours, and then they get replaced by someone else.

If you can prove someone was botting for 72 hours, please petition them and get them banned. But that won't change the end result, because guilds have been doing rotated tracking for years, which is 100% legal.

That is just how non-instanced games work. The longest neckbeards win the prize. That is what people like about P99. If you want instanced Everquest, the TLP servers work just fine.

I guess you don't know what I'm talking about. Thanks for sharing your experiences

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I guess you don't know what I'm talking about. Thanks for sharing your experiences

I read your initial post:

I'm starting to think there might be something more going on. Why would management choose to let a few people hold a camp for literal years when it's totally obvious they are using 3rd party software to track.

But that's not the only thing. Tracking alone is going to bring out cheaters we all know that cheaters win on the internet. Couldn't there be a list or something at highly sought after camps like there was on the start of green. Or locking out certain players after a reasonable amount of times looting or being a major player in the mob

You are accusing one or more players of cheating to lock down a camp. Even if you can prove it and get those players banned, rotated tracking is still legal. A camp like Earth Staff is going to be locked down one way or the other. Rotated tracking is legal.

Making everything a list would be pseudo instancing, which is why the devs/gms do not enforce a list on all camps.

[hatterene]

I read your initial post:



You are accusing one or more players of cheating to lock down a camp. Even if you can prove it and get those players banned, rotated tracking is still legal. A camp like Earth Staff is going to be locked down one way or the other. Rotated tracking is legal.

Making everything a list would be pseudo instancing, which is why the devs/gms do not enforce a list on all camps.

I can't do anything to fix it. I am just drawing attention to how dumb it is. I.e. Pissing and moaning

And here you are white knighting for no life cheaters u don't even know

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I can't do anything to fix it. I am just drawing attention to how dumb it is. I.e. Pissing and moaning

And here you are white knighting for no life cheaters u don't even know

Where did you see me white knighting anyone? I am not sure what posts you are reading.

I am just explaining the reality of how non-instanced games work. A camp like Earth Staff is going to be constantly watched, and can be locked down legally by a group of players. Most likely it will not be you, unless you have a lot of time on your hands.

You cannot simply impose a list on all camps, because that would be pseudo instancing. The only difference between the two is parallel loot drops vs. linear loot drops.

There is no true solution to the problem of locked down camps on a non-instanced server if you want to keep the game actually non-instanced. Whoever wants it most wins.

[hatterene]

I saw what I saw. You're not explaining anything

There are many solutions. They must come from management since the player asked are sickos and cheaters

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I saw what I saw. You're not explaining anything

There are many solutions. They must come from management since the player asked are sickos and cheaters

If you are certain they are cheating, get some evidence and petition.

Just know that banning that player or group of players will not put an Earth Staff into your inventory. A different group will take over.

I would love to hear your solutions if you have some. Forcing all camps to have a list is not a valid solution, as that is pseudo instancing. P99 will not do instancing, because then it would be more like the TLP servers. I assume Daybreak would frown upon that.

[hatterene]

I am certain because of logic and reasoning. No concrete evidence I'm not behind them in the room.

The staff clearly wants this since it's how it been for years. But this mentally it what causes dwindling population. When a player gets locked out they walk away just like anything in life. Look at red.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

But this mentally it what causes dwindling population. When a player gets locked out they walk away just like anything in life. Look at red.

I disagree. The TLP servers are instanced, and they lose population faster than P99. Why? Because everybody gets what they want quickly, and then they get bored.

The difficulty of getting an item is what keeps P99 players engaged. It is a huge rush to get a Vulak Axe after months of waiting. Especially when you know that only like 20 Axes drop per year. You enter into a fairly small group of players with that loot, even after all of these years.

The dwindling population mostly comes from two things:

1. People getting bored of timelocked content. You will eventually get bored of playing the exact same content on any kind of server, instanced or not. There is no future expansion coming to P99 that will re-engage those players.

2. It is difficult to get new players on to P99 due to the complicated on-boarding process. Since the P99 devs cannot recompile the client, this issue can never be fixed. It is a hard technical limitation.

[hatterene]

Zzz k bud

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Zzz k bud

If you have a different theory as to why the instanced TLP servers lose population faster than P99, I would be interested to hear it.

I would also be interested in the other solutions you have thought of for fixing players locking content, aside from lists and instancing.

[hatterene]

I don't care at all about tlp ass butt servers. Comparing to them is a waste of time for me.

The only solution I have is the totally obvious one where the management simply does anything about it. They know it's happening and don't seem to care. They set assinine INCLUDING LISTS rules about nearly every fucking encounter why are ppl using software to camp mobs permanently

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I don't care at all about tlp ass butt servers. Comparing to them is a waste of time for me.

The only solution I have is the totally obvious one where the management simply does anything about it. They know it's happening and don't seem to care. They set assinine INCLUDING LISTS rules about nearly every fucking encounter why are ppl using software to camp mobs permanently

Do you have proof the staff knows cheating is happening? You don't have any evidence of it happening yourself:

I am certain because of logic and reasoning. No concrete evidence I'm not behind them in the room.


My advice would be to try and get evidence if you think they are cheating. But again, this won't put an Earth Staff in your inventory. You'll still have hefty competition after these players are banned.

[hatterene]

You're delusional my dude but have a good one

[loramin]

Are we talking about Diddly here, or someone else?

[Reiwa]

You're delusional my dude but have a good one

I think it's both too much effort to police and you couldn't proscribe it without also to punish normal player behavior.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

You're delusional my dude but have a good one

I am not sure why you think so. You are making a claim without evidence. In a functioning system, you shouldn't be punished for a baseless accusation. You wouldn't want to be randomly banned for an offense you did not commit. The same applies to everyone else.

To me you just sound mad you didn't get loot.

[Goregasmic]

I am not sure why you think so. You are making a claim without evidence. In a functioning system, you shouldn't be punished for a baseless accusation. You wouldn't want to be randomly banned for an offense you did not commit. The same applies to everyone else.

To me you just sound mad you didn't get loot.

I know there's world record neckbeard length people on p99 but being on hate minis minutes after they spawn for literal years they've either found a way to automate the tracking process or it is so sad I pity them.

[hatterene]

I know there's world record neckbeard length people on p99 but being on hate minis minutes after they spawn for literal years they've either found a way to automate the tracking process or it is so sad I pity them.

Why always give cheaters the benefit of the doubt? If your cheating it's obvious let's use our brains

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Why always give cheaters the benefit of the doubt? If your cheating it's obvious let's use our brains

By default we give everybody the benefit of the doubt. I know for a fact you would be mad if you were banned for cheating after legitimately staying up 24 hours for a spawn.

[hatterene]

By default we give everybody the benefit of the doubt. I know for a fact you would be mad if you were banned for cheating after legitimately staying up 24 hours for a spawn.

We? Delusional

[feniin]

I know there's world record neckbeard length people on p99 but being on hate minis minutes after they spawn for literal years they've either found a way to automate the tracking process or it is so sad I pity them.

I'm not on Green, but I assume it is something like:

Player flopped on spawn
Screen share in discord
One or more people getting DKP to watch stream during known spawn window and/or a huge DKP bonus for getting Magi (if it's a guild - if it's just a group of farmers, they get plat)
Mini spawns, batphone goes out
Log in toons within minutes camped in Hate
Kill mob
Grats on Staff of Elemental Mastery: Earth, or not.

I would say get more friends and get better organized. Mage epic is not for everyone. Not even Ramen has one. SYDG

[DeathsSilkyMist]

We? Delusional

I don't know why you keep calling me that. You are the one making baseless claims. Perhaps a delusion of other players cheating?

I'm not on Green, but I assume it is something like:

Player flopped on spawn
Screen share in discord
One or more people getting DKP to watch stream during known spawn window and/or a huge DKP bonus for getting Magi (if it's a guild - if it's just a group of farmers, they get plat)
Mini spawns, batphone goes out
Log in toons within minutes camped in Hate
Kill mob
Grats on Staff of Elemental Mastery: Earth, or not.

I would say get more friends and get better organized. Mage epic is not for everyone. Not even Ramen has one. SYDG

Indeed. This would be a fairly simple setup, and 100% legal.

There are also ways to do it undetected. You could have a motion camera watching your screen 24/7 that isn't connected to your PC in any way. Just have it send a notification to your phone when motion occurs.

Unfortunately the dev team only has so many tools to check for this sort of stuff, and we can't simply go on witchhunts without evidence.

[Trungep99]

People sleep and lie about being online.

[Dgc2002]

how is it guilds if the person doesn't log out

Not sure if anyone has asked yet but...

How do you know they don't log out unless you're tracking them for 72 hours straight? Guilds share accounts for tracking specific things.

I'm starting to get quite suspicious of you now.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Not sure if anyone has asked yet but...

How do you know they don't log out unless you're tracking them for 72 hours straight? Guilds share accounts for tracking specific things.

I'm starting to get quite suspicious of you now.

Indeed. It doesn't take long for one person to log out, and another person log in. Guilds have been doing this for years, even before discord streams were a thing.

[hatterene]

you guys are actually stupid