Who will be going from Blue99 to Red99?

[georgie]

yes

[Demetrium]

Honest question: What's stopping you Red99 fanatics from just turning in your Tome of Order and Discord today and PvPing on the original server?

I've thought about this a bit and only really came up with two ideas.
1) Clean start
2) So you can "fight" over camps and spawns

1) Do you think there will be any fewer cheaters on Red99 than there is here? From everything I've been reading cheating is more prevalent on PvP servers than anywhere else. If this server is going to be administered by the same people running Blue99 are you actually expecting different results?

2) Is there actually going to be enough people to even compete for spawns on Red99? If you had similar prime-time numbers to Blue99 sure, but I'm thinking you won't.

Why not just turn in your books and duke it out now, as-is? Just a little tired of the same 15 people on the forums only ever having Red99 related material flying out of their pie-holes.

[Matalus]

There wi|| be at |east two high end gui|ds duking it out, as such there has been on every red server. Rea| test wi|| be to see if they can stop the showeq/mq use

[Demetrium]

There wi|| be at |east two high end gui|ds duking it out, as such there has been on every red server. Rea| test wi|| be to see if they can stop the showeq/mq use

Don't think there will be the numbers. Blue99 is what, 3 years old with 800 primetime? Red99 going to be a ghost town. If there's enough consistent players to foster two high-end guilds having enough people on around the clock to fight over spawns like Trakanon...I'll eat my Runed Cowl.

[purist]

purist will stake his claim to internet fame on red99

[Kruel]

need a option for "play both servers while poop sockin...

[Cippofra]

I think at least 30% of the blue community will move over. All of these high end people that dont have much to do because they've done everything several times will go over there. People that want to enjoy the game without being harassed by 8 year old kids on a power trip will stay here.

[Bardalicious]

Don't think there will be the numbers. Blue99 is what, 3 years old with 800 primetime? Red99 going to be a ghost town. If there's enough consistent players to foster two high-end guilds having enough people on around the clock to fight over spawns like Trakanon...I'll eat my Runed Cowl.

All Hail Demetrium the Blue Prophet.


Handing in the PoD book on a blue server still makes you blue. One of the biggest reasons to play on red is to contest spawns, whether it be orc trainer hill, BnB, Naggy etc. That simply cannot happen with 80% of the population remaining blue on the blue server. Nice try though!

Red99 will not be a ghost town, that is a laughable, desperate assumption from someone that sounds afraid of losing members from the blue server. Classic EQ only requires 200-300 players to make the zones feel fairly populated. I would be more than happy to see those numbers in a month or two, but if Rogean and Nilbog can get a thumb on detecting mq2/seq again before release, I will assure you that it will grow higher.

This is a chance for all you blue players to experience a completely new style of EQ gameplay. Most of us are reliving the exact same experience as we did in 1999-2001, why not relive that experience you loved with a new dynamic thrown in? No more poop socking and "LOLOL WE GOT TRAK THIS WEEK" threads, instead, you faceroll the competition, get the loots, shake hands and meet again the next week for more.

Why you so mad at red brew? There is well over 15 people being vocal for a red server, and countless more that don't come to this forum and/or aren't vocal about it. Obviously this is the case if Rogean and Nil. are working on a red server, don't you think? I mean, are you calling them idiots to say that they are making this server just for it to be a flop? They managed P99 just fine, what makes you think they'll fuck up R99?

[Fists]

If there is item loot, or even coin loot, I'll head over to Red99. If not, i'll stay here. EQ pvp is cool and all, but if theres no risk for reward then why bother with farming everything I have again. I played on Rallos Zek, since the get go with Flowers, and the item loot dynamic made PVP an unreal and addictive experience.

[Bardalicious]

If there is item loot, or even coin loot, I'll head over to Red99. If not, i'll stay here. EQ pvp is cool and all, but if theres no risk for reward then why bother with farming everything I have again. I played on Rallos Zek, since the get go with Flowers, and the item loot dynamic made PVP an unreal and addictive experience.

Fully agree'd pal. It will be a sad day in Project 1999 history if the server release does not have item or at the very least coin looting. That xp loss thing is just meh. I'll play but my heart just won't be in it like it would be with the other two.

Fortunately, we have a strong contender on our side: Nilbog. He is an oldschool PVPer / RZer that wants item looting, but I'm afraid he wont drop the hammer on this one and implement just because of the 20-30 vocal VZTZ crowd here on the forums.

[Tamiah2011]

All Hail Demetrium the Blue Prophet.


Handing in the PoD book on a blue server still makes you blue. One of the biggest reasons to play on red is to contest spawns, whether it be orc trainer hill, BnB, Naggy etc. That simply cannot happen with 80% of the population remaining blue on the blue server. Nice try though!

Red99 will not be a ghost town, that is a laughable, desperate assumption from someone that sounds afraid of losing members from the blue server. Classic EQ only requires 200-300 players to make the zones feel fairly populated. I would be more than happy to see those numbers in a month or two, but if Rogean and Nilbog can get a thumb on detecting mq2/seq again before release, I will assure you that it will grow higher.

This is a chance for all you blue players to experience a completely new style of EQ gameplay. Most of us are reliving the exact same experience as we did in 1999-2001, why not relive that experience you loved with a new dynamic thrown in? No more poop socking and "LOLOL WE GOT TRAK THIS WEEK" threads, instead, you faceroll the competition, get the loots, shake hands and meet again the next week for more.

Why you so mad at red brew? There is well over 15 people being vocal for a red server, and countless more that don't come to this forum and/or aren't vocal about it. Obviously this is the case if Rogean and Nil. are working on a red server, don't you think? I mean, are you calling them idiots to say that they are making this server just for it to be a flop? They managed P99 just fine, what makes you think they'll fuck up R99?

Please noob lol what would you know about pvp.Bardalicious is this going be your name on pvp noob?

[Runningfish]

If there is item loot, or even coin loot, I'll head over to Red99. If not, i'll stay here. EQ pvp is cool and all, but if theres no risk for reward then why bother with farming everything I have again. I played on Rallos Zek, since the get go with Flowers, and the item loot dynamic made PVP an unreal and addictive experience.

I agree, I'll play if they have item loot. Just adds so much more excitement to it.. Knowing you can lose that uber item at any moment or looting something awesome after winning a tough fight. That's what it's all about, otherwise it's just even more pointless ganking.

[Demetrium]

Why you so mad at red brew?

And I had gone so long without hearing "you mad?"; am I on the wrong tab surfing the WoW forums on accident?

Red99 will not be a ghost town, that is a laughable, desperate assumption from someone that sounds afraid of losing members from the blue server. Classic EQ only requires 200-300 players to make the zones feel fairly populated. I would be more than happy to see those numbers in a month or two, but if Rogean and Nilbog can get a thumb on detecting mq2/seq again before release, I will assure you that it will grow higher.

I'm a 55 unguilded Necro, I couldn't care less about how many people are around. I have a bunch of friends from Live here and I can group with them when I feel like it. I'm only around here until Diablo 3 launches anyway; this is a stop-gap for me. I'm having fun exploring the rest of the game I missed the first time around.

200-300 players at prime? I think you're grasping at straws. 200-300 at prime means 50-150 non-prime. Guess how many contested spawns have spawntime variance? Your hypothetical competition is going to exist only on small camps if at all. Even then, are you really so exited over this?

This is a chance for all you blue players to experience a completely new style of EQ gameplay. Most of us are reliving the exact same experience as we did in 1999-2001, why not relive that experience you loved with a new dynamic thrown in? No more poop socking and "LOLOL WE GOT TRAK THIS WEEK" threads, instead, you faceroll the competition, get the loots, shake hands and meet again the next week for more.

Like I said above I'm pretty sure you're being delusional. The game isn't built for PvP. You can argue balance until you're blue in the face but the engine just isn't built for it. I'm sure there's niche players like yourself who enjoy it, and that's great...you're just a minority. If you're so competitive why not play something relevant? Are you planning on running around town shouting that you pwned someone in an emulation of a 12 year old game?


Why you so mad at red brew? There is well over 15 people being vocal for a red server, and countless more that don't come to this forum and/or aren't vocal about it. Obviously this is the case if Rogean and Nil. are working on a red server, don't you think? I mean, are you calling them idiots to say that they are making this server just for it to be a flop? They managed P99 just fine, what makes you think they'll fuck up R99?

Squeakiest wheel gets the grease. You guys are like the libertarian party. You make a lot of noise but you'll never get someone elected. Also, don't straw-man me, broseph. I never called Rogean or Nil idiots, nor did I say they would "fuck up R99".

[Harrison]

purist will stake his claim to internet fame on red99

rofl...hiding of course, too scared to post who you are on P99...yet think you'll be doing anything in pvp...

Anyways, I had plans to play on R99 up until this whole debacle with cheaters being treated like royalty. With Uthgaard gone as well I don't foresee any legitimacy coming from R99.

It will be another disgusting cesspool, a la vztz, but with more people.

[Bardalicious]

200-300 players at prime? I think you're grasping at straws. 200-300 at prime means 50-150 non-prime. Guess how many contested spawns have spawntime variance? Your hypothetical competition is going to exist only on small camps if at all. Even then, are you really so exited over this?



Like I said above I'm pretty sure you're being delusional. The game isn't built for PvP. You can argue balance until you're blue in the face but the engine just isn't built for it. I'm sure there's niche players like yourself who enjoy it, and that's great...you're just a minority. If you're so competitive why not play something relevant? Are you planning on running around town shouting that you pwned someone in an emulation of a 12 year old game?

Tell "this game isn't meant for PVP" to the 10,000+ players that enjoyed it on EQLive over the years. You're acting as if this hasn't been done before and succeeded.

Stating that you are mad is probably fairly accurate, because tbh, you sound more than a little spiteful towards the idea of EQ PVP in general. If you're not even going to be playing on P99 any more - what the fuck does it matter to you if Red99 is released? Why give your 2 cents when you have no intentions of playing on either server?

The shitty VZTZ server pulled over 100 players on prime time. You're making baseless claims about a ghost town population on what is being hyped as the best PVP server since live, which will be even better if they can get a handle on MQ2/SEQ detection again before release.

There will be no competition for raid targets? Really? Rofl. You can tell that to the VZTZ crew as well. They had it with just their community alone, and Red99 is sure to encompass P99 players and many others as well from places like FoH etc. I don't think you have an accurate understanding of what sort of population vanilla EQ needs to be successful. Prior to Kunark releasing on P99, the population was usually around 300-400 on average, and I can assure you, guilds were still fighting over spawns all the time. Then Kunark landed, the server hit 1000 players for a short time, and you literally had to fight for spawns in all of the popular zones. And that was with a whole other expansion added.

So again, I ask, why you so mad at red?

[Bardalicious]

If you're so competitive why not play something relevant? Are you planning on running around town shouting that you pwned someone in an emulation of a 12 year old game?

I almost overlooked that line. Now I KNOW you're just mad. Planning to run around enjoying PVP in a 12 year old game as compared to you running around farming pixels and xp in a 12 year old game? Your arguments are baseless and pretty lol-worthy, pal.

[mokfarg]

All Hail Demetrium the Blue Prophet.



Why you so mad at red brew? There is well over 15 people being vocal for a red server, and countless more that don't come to this forum and/or aren't vocal about it. Obviously this is the case if Rogean and Nil. are working on a red server, don't you think? I mean, are you calling them idiots to say that they are making this server just for it to be a flop? They managed P99 just fine, what makes you think they'll fuck up R99?

I chose stay where I am because there is only so much childish leet speak I can handle.

[Foxx]

i am quitting due to cheaters, unless u wipe it clean

[Aenor]

Honest question: What's stopping you Red99 fanatics from just turning in your Tome of Order and Discord today and PvPing on the original server?

I've thought about this a bit and only really came up with two ideas.
1) Clean start
2) So you can "fight" over camps and spawns

Honest answer, yes, we want to compete for spawns on equal terms, not be a hopeless minority that can never compete for contested spawns against blues and their vastly greater numbers.

1) Do you think there will be any fewer cheaters on Red99 than there is here? If this server is going to be administered by the same people running Blue99 are you actually expecting different results?

So far over 400 blue players have been suspended or permanently banned in the last 7 days for hacking. At its height I don't think VZTZ had much over 200 players at prime time, which would probably indicate around 400 players in a 24 hour cycle. So unless you are suggesting that ALL PvPers are hackers, then I would say no, we have fewer cheaters than P99.

2) Is there actually going to be enough people to even compete for spawns on Red99? If you had similar prime-time numbers to Blue99 sure, but I'm thinking you won't.

We had massive warfare over spawns with a fraction of R99's population so the obvious answer is yes. I expect that Red 99 will have approximately double the population VZTZ had at its height due to P99's reputation.[/QUOTE]

Why not just turn in your books and duke it out now, as-is? Just a little tired of the same 15 people on the forums only ever having Red99 related material flying out of their pie-holes.

There's a good way to shut those pie-holes up. Stop being a bunch of hacking scumbags and having constant drama so the devs can focus on Velious and launching the PVP server. Once we have a server to play on it will be crickets chirping in here.

[Demetrium]

Tell "this game isn't meant for PVP" to the 10,000+ players that enjoyed it on EQLive over the years. You're acting as if this hasn't been done before and succeeded.

Stating that you are mad is probably fairly accurate, because tbh, you sound more than a little spiteful towards the idea of EQ PVP in general. If you're not even going to be playing on P99 any more - what the fuck does it matter to you if Red99 is released? Why give your 2 cents when you have no intentions of playing on either server?

The shitty VZTZ server pulled over 100 players on prime time. You're making baseless claims about a ghost town population on what is being hyped as the best PVP server since live, which will be even better if they can get a handle on MQ2/SEQ detection again before release.

There will be no competition for raid targets? Really? Rofl. You can tell that to the VZTZ crew as well. They had it with just their community alone, and Red99 is sure to encompass P99 players and many others as well from places like FoH etc. I don't think you have an accurate understanding of what sort of population vanilla EQ needs to be successful. Prior to Kunark releasing on P99, the population was usually around 300-400 on average, and I can assure you, guilds were still fighting over spawns all the time. Then Kunark landed, the server hit 1000 players for a short time, and you literally had to fight for spawns in all of the popular zones. And that was with a whole other expansion added.

So again, I ask, why you so mad at red?

Pretty sure anyone who reads this thread understands you're the one who seems upset.

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[Bardalicious]

I chose stay where I am because there is only so much childish leet speak I can handle.

As compared to constant high end guild drama, an RNF forum overflowing from the shit that is spewed because of it, not to mention the 300+ hackers (that only recently got caught - that doesn't count the ones that went under the rader, the countless that got banned prior, etc)? You'd rather be a part of the community that has blatantly harassed staff members til they quit the project - most recently TWO in the same week? Yeah "brew", I totally see where you'd take the high road on this one.

[feste]

I've never played on a red server before so I have no idea what it is all about but to say I'll never give it a shot is nuts. Everyone is going to at least have a "goof off/check it out" character over there. The only thing I'm worried about is the limited time I have for eq these days. I don't know how a super casual player fits into a pvp server. I suppose all that will be answered once it comes out tho.

The worst thing would be not to get the r99 server. You pvper guys will have tons more fun on a red server and fun is the point.

[Aenor]

You pvper guys will have tons more fun on a red server and fun is the point.

+1.

[JenJen]

im planning to join red99 ohhh yeah.

feel free to kill me repeatedly but lets have a good chinwag afterwards :)

[Francois]

I plan on going Red99 to fully utilize my best of the best winning skills.

[Motec]

Noone will go except for 9 people who post on p1999 forums.

[visage]

I will be doing probably both. Red sounds like a ton fun tho. PVP makes things really interesting. Very Excited over the matter.

[Motec]

I'll go to kite franswa so noone else can engage.

[Pico]

will probably play a wizard to best reflect my real life personality

[mimixownzall]

If there is item loot, or even coin loot, I'll head over to Red99. If not, i'll stay here. EQ pvp is cool and all, but if theres no risk for reward then why bother with farming everything I have again. I played on Rallos Zek, since the get go with Flowers, and the item loot dynamic made PVP an unreal and addictive experience.

What? So, taking items or coin from someone was the only thing that made it fun? What a crock of shit.

Who gives a fuck if you get loot or not from killing someone... Taking their camp, killing them, chasing them off with their tails tucked between their legs is > getting some stupid item or coin.

With having the whole extra dynamic/option of PVP, why would anyone settle for just a plain old blue server?

Yay! I'm fighting some creature with little to no A.I.! Woo!

I never realized what I was missing until I tried out SZ with a friend. After that I will never play an MMO that doesn't have PVP (I put up with p99 only because it was the only option).

[Vondra]

I think there should be a pretty good population on it at least for a while. If it was JUST existing p99 players then no, but I'm sure there's plenty of people that don't play here/post here that would be interested in playing on a promising new red emu server.

Ever have some upcoming game/gaming project that you don't follow closely but just kinda check the page on every few weeks to see what's going on? I have. There are non p99 people doing that with red99 I'm sure. When it releases, they'll be here to check it out.

GETTING the players should be successful. The issue is how to keep them.

[Extunarian]

I'm certainly going to give it a shot.

[Coridan]

I'd do Sullon Zek ruleset. That was fun till PoK ruined it.

[Crenshinabon]

PoK and somewhat Luclin killed pvp. Shit, and EQ in general as its classic form.
Ill play Red, I played non pvp for a bit, got a decent level and got kinda bored. Pretty sure pvp would hold me again.
I would love some kind of non weapon item loot, but will play anyways.

[mwatt]

My guess is that they will see 300 to 400 during prime time in the beginning. A lot of people who are curious will check it out and of course there will be the PVP lovers. In the long run, I expect population to decline to around 200 prime time. Most "classic" EQ lovers will grow tired of the antics and smack talk that will be SOP there.

[mitic]

Honest question: What's stopping you Red99 fanatics from just turning in your Tome of Order and Discord today and PvPing on the original server?

just one of those quadrillion of reasons why not:

2 red endgame guilds fighting over a dragon, blue guild comes in, lawls and kills the dragon, loots and moves on while those other 2 guilds keep killing each other

[SearyxTZ]

Honest question: What's stopping you Red99 fanatics from just turning in your Tome of Order and Discord today and PvPing on the original server?

I've thought about this a bit and only really came up with two ideas.
1) Clean start
2) So you can "fight" over camps and spawns

1) Do you think there will be any fewer cheaters on Red99 than there is here? From everything I've been reading cheating is more prevalent on PvP servers than anywhere else. If this server is going to be administered by the same people running Blue99 are you actually expecting different results?

2) Is there actually going to be enough people to even compete for spawns on Red99? If you had similar prime-time numbers to Blue99 sure, but I'm thinking you won't.

Why not just turn in your books and duke it out now, as-is? Just a little tired of the same 15 people on the forums only ever having Red99 related material flying out of their pie-holes.

Did you miss the memo from Rogean where he tracked down and banned cheaters? He has a nice solution to that problem already. Besides that, most red players are used to dealing with it and things being unfair. Killing some MQ abuser just made it all the more satisfying for me (obviously not an option on blue servers).

PoD books flag you as FFA to anyone, and cannot be healed by other players. The difference between blue (PoD books and all) and red servers = night and day.


70'ish people online concurrent is the minimum for things to be competitive, and this server pop will dwarf that. After the initial spike I would expect Red99 to hover around 40% of the P1999 number. This will be an overall gain for the devs here in terms of how many people are playing on their servers, even if P1999 takes an initial minor hit from curious bluebies jumping ship to red.

[Demetrium]

PoD books flag you as FFA to anyone, and cannot be healed by other players. The difference between blue (PoD books and all) and red servers = night and day.

If this is true someone should have brought it up sooner. If two players hand in PoD books can they not heal each other?

[phoenix182]

I'd do Sullon Zek ruleset. That was fun till PoK ruined it.

This. It's why I quit EQ originally actually.

Just a question that I must have missed the answer to: Is there 'official word' that there's even going to be a Red server? I mean, we're still dealing with bugs and issues from initial EQ launch, never mind Kunark/Vellious.

[Crenshinabon]

Is there 'official word' that there's even going to be a Red server?
We have a couple devs that say it is almost complete and is happening.
Unfortunatly the only thing Rogean has said really seems to be about pvp rules. No promises made about server release. He has also said that in IRC he talks about updates. So pretty sure one is coming. Just not sure when.

[georgie]

ironic how the graph color for staying blue is red and going red is blue/purple.

[Slave]

Did you miss the memo from Rogean where he tracked down and banned cheaters?

I must have missed it; all I saw was painstakingly tracking down cheaters, then letting them go with a slap on the wrist because the developers didn't anticipate the gigantic groundswell of popular outrage that they didn't follow through on what they said they were going to do in such a situation.

[Ravenlof]

red all the way

[XgrimX]

man gonna be a lot of people. 80 pvps on red server woot have fun losers

[mokfarg]

man gonna be a lot of people. 80 pvps on red server woot have fun losers

I bet alot of people will be on it a little while just because it's a fresh new start. After that wears off people will most likely move back to project 1999

[georgie]

I bet alot of people will be on it a little while just because it's a fresh new start. After getting griefed off the server people will most likely move back to project 1999

[vinx]

If this is true someone should have brought it up sooner. If two players hand in PoD books can they not heal each other?
Yes, they can heal each other but...
its totally NOT the same thing

Turning in your books DOES NOT equate to red pvp
turning in your books on a blue server is basically running around with auto /duel on for anyone else with it on, problem is....
there are tons of players running around with it OFF

That does not = pvp.. pvp opens up contention for item camps, raids and disputes
you cant solve any problems or do any of the above if blues dont want to /duel you (be red)

The other function of turning in your book is...
that it ONLY allows you to recieve beneficial buffs/heals/ports from others who are also red
(to stop anyones blue buddies from creating an unfair battle in a duel type scenerio)

So...
turning in your book opens up pvp capability to other reds, but cripples any long term or any serious play on a blue oriented server
and in short, turning in your book is equal to an enclosed, ongoing multiple duel ability (with limitations)

imo, being able to kill someone on EQ (outside of pnp) goes in this order:
1) duel - (single pvp)
2) turn in your book for "pvp" status - (multiple duels, cut off from the rest of the population)
3) play on a pvp server for "Red" status - (open or general pvp)

So you understand why "Reds" laugh at suggestions when they are asked to turn in their books and play pvp on a blue server
who would in all honesty, create an unfair environment or limit themselves (group/guild) to the rest of the server?

[vinx]

Don't think there will be the numbers. Blue99 is what, 3 years old with 800 primetime? Red99 going to be a ghost town. If there's enough consistent players to foster two high-end guilds having enough people on around the clock to fight over spawns like Trakanon...I'll eat my Runed Cowl.
P99 is 2 years old..
and the 800? thats current players, id say at least that amount has alrdy stopped playing by now and theres still people coming in.
the population seems to be a revolving door at this point.. as someone mentioned before, their seems to be as many people leaving as their is coming in.

That being said, i think Red99 will regain some of the players that left (who want a fresh start) and attract those watching server updates from other forums around the net.
pvp servers are always lower in pop then their blue counterparts, but it should stabalize with a decent amount after initial launch.
(ALOT more then the 12 here you recognize from the forums)

[Demetrium]

Yes, they can heal each other but...
its totally NOT the same thing

Turning in your books DOES NOT equate to red pvp
turning in your books on a blue server is basically running around with auto /duel on for anyone else with it on, problem is....
there are tons of players running around with it OFF

That does not = pvp.. pvp opens up contention for item camps, raids and disputes
you cant solve any problems or do any of the above if blues dont want to /duel you (be red)

The other function of turning in your book is...
that it ONLY allows you to recieve beneficial buffs/heals/ports from others who are also red
(to stop anyones blue buddies from creating an unfair battle in a duel type scenerio)

So...
turning in your book opens up pvp capability to other reds, but cripples any long term or any serious play on a blue oriented server
and in short, turning in your book is equal to an enclosed, ongoing multiple duel ability (with limitations)

imo, being able to kill someone on EQ (outside of pnp) goes in this order:
1) duel - (single pvp)
2) turn in your book for "pvp" status - (multiple duels, cut off from the rest of the population)
3) play on a pvp server for "Red" status - (open or general pvp)

So you understand why "Reds" laugh at suggestions when they are asked to turn in their books and play pvp on a blue server
who would in all honesty, create an unfair environment or limit themselves (group/guild) to the rest of the server?

Okay, so this is working how I originally thought. So really the only difference between here (if all who wanted to turned in books) and Red99 would be that you couldn't kill blues out of camps.

Is that really where most of the fun is? I definitely see this being entertaining, but I can also see it losing its novelty pretty quickly. I thought the fun/competition/skill is more about actually combating players rather than doing tricks like engaging them when they're fighting mobs or charming their healer and running him out of the room when they're fighting Ghoul Lord.

[vinx]

Okay, so this is working how I originally thought. So really the only difference between here (if all who wanted to turned in books) and Red99 would be that you couldn't kill blues out of camps.
eh, i guess
If you like to solo your way to the top and not participate in groups or raids
can just farm pixels at your leisure on a pve server (assuming the camp is open)

Is that really where most of the fun is? I definitely see this being entertaining, but I can also see it losing its novelty pretty quickly. I thought the fun/competition/skill is more about actually combating players
It is about being able to combat players.
* players who try to take your camp from you
* good guild/group battles for high end mobs
* great for making friends (who you will need at some point or another)
* great for learning more of the game, zones and stats! (also needed for combat)

rather than doing tricks like engaging them when they're fighting mobs or charming their healer and running him out of the room when they're fighting Ghoul Lord.
This can be fun at times to! (and also sucks at times!)
Its a give an take really, and doesnt happen everytime you engage a mob as long as you stay on your toes and are aware of your environment.
just remember... your NOT on a pve server, you are on a PVP server and you will be fine

[nalkin]

Okay, so this is working how I originally thought. So really the only difference between here (if all who wanted to turned in books) and Red99 would be that you couldn't kill blues out of camps.

Is that really where most of the fun is? I definitely see this being entertaining, but I can also see it losing its novelty pretty quickly. I thought the fun/competition/skill is more about actually combating players rather than doing tricks like engaging them when they're fighting mobs or charming their healer and running him out of the room when they're fighting Ghoul Lord.

Contesting over camps is probably the most reason anyone would want to play on a red server. Yes, I would say it is that important, at least its the reason I will play on r99.

I think there will be a huge number of players at first, even more than the blue server for the following reasons:

Being able to start from scratch at the beginning. Many people missed out on loot they wanted to get (manastone, guise, rubi, etc) and this gives them a chance to do it.
Many people are realizing there is nothing to do in blue EQ aside from poopsock. The game consists of sitting there to get gear, only to use that gear to get more gear. There will be alot more entertainment at the endgame on a red server.
People are so fed up with poopsocking and not being able to contest over camps.

[vinx]

Do you think there will be any fewer cheaters on Red99 than there is here? From everything I've been reading cheating is more prevalent on PvP servers than anywhere else. If this server is going to be administered by the same people running Blue99 are you actually expecting different results?

I dont think anybody is expecting "different" results
There is the same amount of cheaters on blue as their are on red imo (maybe even more)

You only notice it more on a pvp server where you actually see or are more involved when someone uses cheats against you on a pvp server
(track/map/bard speed/buffs/scripts etc)
On a blue server you really need to be next to the person to even realize they are using (track/maps/scripts)
bard speed and other noticeable uses arent usually used in view of raids on a blue server.. and never noticed when grinding

[wrxBRAH]

Server pop will be dependent on timing of server release. If its anywhere close to Swtor or D3, I highly doubt pop will get over 100 people regularly.

The challenge to level up with regular xp + variables like item/coin loot is also going to decide the population.

[JayDee]

this server gonna be deader than it already is soon

[Nirgon]

Sounds like stop driving Rogean and co nuts so they can get some real work done, kiddies (read: bluebies).

[citizen1080]

Too lazy to read it all...but you can poopsock on Blue and run around ganking on red..its not 2 boxing..its 2 different servers.

[georgie]

don't bother teaching a blue to re(a)d they just have to try it themselves to understand what PvP is

[Demetrium]

don't bother teaching a blue to re(a)d they just have to try it themselves to understand what PvP is

Lel, let's compare our accomplishments?

[Titanuk]

bump

[Titanuk]

bump

[greatdane]

If they can do a proper PvP server with active rule enforcement and minimal incentive to grief (i.e no itemloot) then I'd definitely play there, though I can't really say whether I'd make an official move and leave p99 behind. It would depend how the server turns out, but if it becomes reasonably popular, I might do it.

If it becomes the same imbecile community with rampant cheating and out-of-game hostility as VZTZ, I'm staying the hell away. That was just intolerable for anyone who wasn't one of the mouthbreathing simpletons inhabiting that server. A PvP server with a vaguely decent community would be great.

[mitic]

of course it will be popular, there is nothing even compareable out there ... every other mmorpg to date is a joke in pvp

[Ziggy]

rampant cheating and out-of-game hostility

yeah thats totally a vztz thing... .. . . .. . . . . . . ........

[Greenkrak]

I desperately miss the shit talking.


COMON RED99 where are thou

[Exalt]

So, how does the economy work? Is there a constant battle going on at EC tunnel? How do you trade? What's stopping the seller from killing the buyer prior to transaction? How the heck does that work?

[Titanuk]

If it becomes the same imbecile community with rampant cheating and out-of-game hostility as VZTZ, I'm staying the hell away.

yea 100s of bluebies didnt just get banned for using MQ or anything

[Ravenlof]

speaking coming from SZ.. R99 will be my home.

[Ravenlof]

man i cant fuckin wait for this server im so sick and tired of not being able to kill all the faggs that think they are hot shit and run around talking all this game its TIME TO PUT UP OR SHUTUP you fucking pussies.

tired of being nice to ppl....i need the gratification of making one you u lil girls cry and /tell me "please can u stop killin me", but i wont.

tears only fuel me, and I desperately miss the shit talking.


COMON RED99 where are thou

amen

[Ring]

Can't imagine myself playing on a server where the best weapon in-game is in the hand of a known cheater. I'll move to red for sure. Blue P99 shameful.

[Titanuk]

red99 will be a new good home for us

[Silikten]

all im sayin is that whoever comes over to r99. I, as well as a ton of others, will make sure the "high end" guilds dont hold spawns down to other ppl cant enjoy them. One of the most fun things is making a guild to fight the powerful ones.

So, I encourage everyone to try it. Just ignore all the chatting bs that goes on because it really is just people talking. There will always be a crew that will fight off the "bullies" and help people gear up :)

[Haul]

If there is item loot, or even coin loot, I'll head over to Red99. If not, i'll stay here. EQ pvp is cool and all, but if theres no risk for reward then why bother with farming everything I have again. I played on Rallos Zek, since the get go with Flowers, and the item loot dynamic made PVP an unreal and addictive experience.

I support this.

[Haul]

Fully agree'd pal. It will be a sad day in Project 1999 history if the server release does not have item or at the very least coin looting. That xp loss thing is just meh. I'll play but my heart just won't be in it like it would be with the other two.

Fortunately, we have a strong contender on our side: Nilbog. He is an oldschool PVPer / RZer that wants item looting, but I'm afraid he wont drop the hammer on this one and implement just because of the 20-30 vocal VZTZ crowd here on the forums.

Thats promising, anyone whose played item loot knows its the best.

[Silikten]

Until people run around with 6 naked wizards 1 rounding people

[Ziggy]

So, how does the economy work? Is there a constant battle going on at EC tunnel? How do you trade? What's stopping the seller from killing the buyer prior to transaction? How the heck does that work?

Trade locations are kelethin, neriak and hhk banks. While these places are generally safe you should probably watch your back.

[Titanuk]

i think red99 will be a good home for us

[georgie]

me2

[doacleric]

I kind of hope that Red99 never happens. I mean, don't get me wrong, the thought of a PvP Classic EQ gives me a semi. But Project1999 currently only has ~700 players on at peak time, which has not really increased much since last year. If red99 opens, i'd say 50% of the players will switch over, if not more. That leaves ~350 or so players left on Project1999, which is not IMO, a sustainable population for the server - too difficult to find groups and what not.

Realistically, I would like to see 1500 players on P1999 before a PvP server opens to help relieve the overpopulation. Until then, I just don't think we have enough players.

[greatdane]

This server's population problem has much more to do with what people actually do. Throughout the history of the server, any popular dungeon/camp has been obscenely overcrowded while much of the leveling content has been on the thin side. Every sweet solo spot, item camp and popular dungeon is occupied to the point where you have to get up at dawn for a chance to access it without waiting in line for hours, but try to start a group in Overthere or something and you'll find slim pickings. Cutting the population in half (although I doubt 50% will switch to PvP) will do wonders for one aspect of the game and be terrible for the other. It's an unfortunate byproduct of the widespread obsession with maximum possible XP (which is generally achieved by soloing) and raking in the most loot while the traditional gameplay is much less appealing so many years later. Now it's almost impossible to find a group between 20 and 50, but look around and you'll find a hundred magicians and necromancers mindlessly grinding in every conceivable solo spot.

[georgie]

people who beat the game don't beat it more than 30 times, they will probably try to r99 if they aren't scared.

[georgie]

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[georgie]

b

[Titanuk]

I kind of hope that Red99 never happens. I mean, don't get me wrong, the thought of a PvP Classic EQ gives me a semi. But Project1999 currently only has ~700 players on at peak time, which has not really increased much since last year. If red99 opens, i'd say 50% of the players will switch over, if not more. That leaves ~350 or so players left on Project1999, which is not IMO, a sustainable population for the server - too difficult to find groups and what not.

Realistically, I would like to see 1500 players on P1999 before a PvP server opens to help relieve the overpopulation. Until then, I just don't think we have enough players.

mybe people are tired of doing the same things over and over

[Aenor]

I kind of hope that Red99 never happens. I mean, don't get me wrong, the thought of a PvP Classic EQ gives me a semi. But Project1999 currently only has ~700 players on at peak time, which has not really increased much since last year. If red99 opens, i'd say 50% of the players will switch over, if not more. That leaves ~350 or so players left on Project1999, which is not IMO, a sustainable population for the server - too difficult to find groups and what not.

Realistically, I would like to see 1500 players on P1999 before a PvP server opens to help relieve the overpopulation. Until then, I just don't think we have enough players.

Ok I will bite. What do you think P99 can do to reach 1500 players besides deny a pvp server to people who would prefer to play on one? Any marketing ideas besides your captive audience policy?

One note... Opening a pvp server will absolutely help the financial base of P99 as a whole. The comparatively tiny population of vztz donated thousands to that project.

[Artah]

If I really wanted red i'd play warcraft pvp instead.

[zixxer]

Until people run around with 6 naked wizards 1 rounding people

Who cares? Half the fun is trying to pay attention to who's in your zone while leveling...

[georgie]

If I really wanted red i'd play warcraft pvp instead.

you obv suck at eq pvp

[Titanuk]

warcraft, what a joke for pvp

[greatdane]

I kinda hate EQ PvP, but I miss it when it isn't there. Blue servers have that perpetual undertone of pointlessness.

[Galacticus]

If I really wanted red i'd play warcraft pvp instead.

You gotta be fucking kidding me?

[mimixownzall]

I've never played on a red server before so I have no idea what it is all about but to say I'll never give it a shot is nuts. Everyone is going to at least have a "goof off/check it out" character over there. The only thing I'm worried about is the limited time I have for eq these days. I don't know how a super casual player fits into a pvp server. I suppose all that will be answered once it comes out tho.

The worst thing would be not to get the r99 server. You pvper guys will have tons more fun on a red server and fun is the point.

Honestly, super casual fits for a PvP server. Don't have time to commit to a group for hours? No problem. Log in and check a couple of places for some people to kill. Even if you die, just log off and do whatever and log on later and get your corpse. Lan parties are even better. Group up with friends and go slaughter dungeon groups.

[mimixownzall]

Okay, so this is working how I originally thought. So really the only difference between here (if all who wanted to turned in books) and Red99 would be that you couldn't kill blues out of camps.

Is that really where most of the fun is? I definitely see this being entertaining, but I can also see it losing its novelty pretty quickly. I thought the fun/competition/skill is more about actually combating players rather than doing tricks like engaging them when they're fighting mobs or charming their healer and running him out of the room when they're fighting Ghoul Lord.

Actually, the last i checked, you couldnt heal or buff people who were red, even if you were red yourself. I remember Stealin went red for a while (still not real sure why) but he told me that if you were red, you couldn't be healed by people even if they were red themselves. It might have been changed, but I doubt it.

[Titanuk]

red99 so close

[Albel420]

If there is item loot, or even coin loot, I'll head over to Red99. If not, i'll stay here. EQ pvp is cool and all, but if theres no risk for reward then why bother with farming everything I have again. I played on Rallos Zek, since the get go with Flowers, and the item loot dynamic made PVP an unreal and addictive experience.

i agree with this 100% , had a necro named advance in flowers of happiness :) such fun times.

[Titanuk]

i like item loot but there will def be coin loot lol

[georgie]

i dig

[nalkin]

So when is this sucker coming out?

[returnofahipster]

Every time i hear the word red.
"Pass me that red screwdriver."
"Im stuck at a red light."
"Pack of Marlboro reds."
I think of Red99 was hoping it could of been a summer of fun.
Lets hope it will be ready before the first snow fall for a winter of good times!

[Titanuk]

http://i53.tinypic.com/2jebk2g.jpg

[Goobles]

Stop teasing.

[Athosblack]

I'm tempted but in all honesty I don't have the free time to start over again. Also on a PvP server level progression is a bit slower considering you have to deal with PKs and constant griefing and trains.

Ill start up a lowbie, but that's prolly it

[mala]

red will kill p99. splitting the population is the worst thing you could do at this point.

[Nirgon]

It will attract people who don't play on blue 99. I'd suggest anyone who enjoys blue to still keep up appearances on their character(s) there.

[georgie]

oh

[raptorak]

I want to play EQ with people my level - whether it is red or blue doesn't change that, but the fact that this server is red makes it even sweeter :P

[kobexbloo]

Can't you post this kinda thing in the PVP forum?

[Atmas]

It is pertinent to the normal P99 server.

[Atmas]

dont worry bluebies, 95% of you will be back to original p99 within the first month

I wouldn't be too sure. Looking beyond the obvious that PvP in itself is more fun than just fighting pixels there are several advantages of a PvP server that people on this server would probably really appreciate. Probably the biggest and most discussed being the ability to compete for gear with poopsockers.

I never heard this term when I played on live on TZ. Infact I didn't even learn what it meant till I played here.

[XiakenjaTZ]

I would guess it is the grind more than the PvP that will make people go back to p99

[mwatt]

My own guess is that there are some peope who will play Red exclusively or almost so, because that is what they really like to do. Then there are people who will want to try it out. The majority of these will go back to blue almost exclusively, because they would rather play EQ than deal with all the sadism, smack talk and general craziness that will occur on that server. No offense. :)

I think the server will have maybe 350 people on peak, by the end of the first week. By the end of the first month, more like 250. About half of these 200 would be "stolen" from blue, IMO.

[Bockscar]

Should be more than 200. VZTZ sustained about 200 while it was good, and a lot of people didn't know about that server, plus p99's code is infinitely superior. It looks like a lot of people are showing up who haven't played p99, and red99 could very well sit at 3-400ish players where maybe a couple hundred of those are people who left p99 for PvP. It'll probably have like 700 in the first week, then it'll stabilize around 3-400 while the p99 population doesn't drop by more than 1-200.

[returnofahipster]

i think initially it will be High, it will then die down when some cant hack the fact that a highly dedicated group of losers will constantly just kill them for fun. expect to see some of these guys Delevel their characters so they can engage in pvp with those who dont grind to as high of a level as they do. after the initial chaos and long grinds the server will become much better towards the casual player i believe and a population of 150 low 400 high will probably develop.

[georgie]

lol

[Flunklesnarkin]

Well i can see the point for a red server.. its for high play time people who want to have a challenge

Unless you have a high game time and can get high level fast tho i don't see it being worth playing..


once you hit 40 you will just be "farmed" for your plat...

guess thats another difference between red and blue.. you loot plat.

[Bazia]

Well i can see the point for a red server.. its for high play time people who want to have a challenge

Unless you have a high game time and can get high level fast tho i don't see it being worth playing..


once you hit 40 you will just be "farmed" for your plat...

guess thats another difference between red and blue.. you loot plat.

Bank it. 'Nuff said.

[Truu]

purist will stake his claim to internet fame on red99

lawl

[Flunklesnarkin]

While its true that banking your platinum will make it safe... the time it takes to put a group together and go somewhere like say seb in the 40's will make it unreasonable when people start to farm you for plat.

So unless you like to solo or have high game time not going to be fun.

Trust me if i had the time to put into a ffa pvp server id jump in now... once you are top dog its easy living.

[Korisek]

I'm not terribly interested in FFA. If it was team-based by alignment, I might have been tempted to try it out.

[Sickle]

I Bleed Blue

[Flunklesnarkin]

I'm not terribly interested in FFA. If it was team-based by alignment, I might have been tempted to try it out.

I agree.. FFA pvp balanced with strong faction hits would be awesome imo...

like say if you were out in the open and kill somebody it would be fair game no faction hit.. but if you kill somebody like in a town or whatever it would be like minus 1000 or more faction hit against the city or something.


Would be "realistic" too... i mean what city do you know where people don't mind murder/killing happening on the streets.

murdering somebody is a pretty strong "faction" hit ;p

[mostbitter]

you're bluer than the sky dude.


PVP server is going to be awesome i have another 2-3 people that are going to play who do not post here. also vz/tz probably has roughly 80 or so die hards who are going to play this server religiously add to that number all the b99 players who will transfer and other players who will be attracted and you've definately got the population for a decent classic server. My body is ready even though the server will be pushing forward with some mechanics that I don't agree with.

[rafaone]

red will kill p99. splitting the population is the worst thing you could do at this point.
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[Slave]

There's no real point to going red. I'm saying this as a both a PVP and EQ junkie.

Red 99 will have level range to initiate pvp, which leads to all kinds of horrific problems.

[Tamiah2011]

If there is item loot, or even coin loot, I'll head over to Red99. If not, i'll stay here. EQ pvp is cool and all, but if theres no risk for reward then why bother with farming everything I have again. I played on Rallos Zek, since the get go with Flowers, and the item loot dynamic made PVP an unreal and addictive experience.

Coin loot sucks

[bigups43]

This is no place for logic

[Nune]

lol @ all the bloobs hating on red because every raid on P99 is a straight zerg rush. GL With Velious with numbers that require skilled players :]

[Crazerous]

less than 2 weeks from R99! woooh

[Knuckle]

Confirmed, bluebies getting blue with tears.

[Flunklesnarkin]

I really doubt red server will be high population... not hating on ffa pvp or w/e

I think its a legitimate genre and play style...

just most western english speaking people don't like it... It seems more popular in eastern/asian countries.

Look at games like age of conan or EvE.... they have solid base populations... but its not terribly large....

It's kind of a niche genre (not saying to demean the genre but thats what it is)

So nobody should really worry about a huge population shift lol

but yah I'm posting in a troll thread heh... thats part of pvp also i suppose.. the trash talk element.....

I'll stop with the logic and reason now ;p


edit: to clarify I'm talking about mmo pvp... not fps pvp or what have you

[mostbitter]

ur actually talkin out ur butt this game as a whole is niche and unpopular by current gaming standards so please quit trying to shit on the red server

[Flunklesnarkin]

ur actually talkin out ur butt this game as a whole is niche and unpopular by current gaming standards so please quit trying to shit on the red server

*Insert standard flame response here*

I'm ok with being wrong... why not have a discussion instead of flaming ;p

could you be more specific about how i'm wrong :o?

[Softcore PK]

I vote that more bluebies should try it out! You might like what you find hehe.

[georgie]

looks about right

[joel.popick]

I honestly do not have the time to read this forum, but if enough people want a p1999 pre kunark pvp server I'll help pay for it. e-mail me joel.popick@hotmail.com let me know what my initial costs will be etc..

Thanks

I've played since release, and I would love to run around lopping peoples heads off and taking their fbss's (mostly just getting my loot ganked lol).

I've got a group of 10 or so people I know would play.

[joel.popick]

in my guild on rallos zek we were doing velious content with 14 people. sometimes less. not north tov, but everything else really. now that people actually know the tough pulls etc it will be even easier. I doubt seriously splitting the server will do much of anything but relieve emo stress on the dev's.

[ChubbyBubbles]

in my guild on rallos zek we were doing velious content with 14 people. sometimes less. not north tov, but everything else really. now that people actually know the tough pulls etc it will be even easier. I doubt seriously splitting the server will do much of anything but relieve emo stress on the dev's.

There actually already is a red99 pvp server. You know this right?

[stormlord]

This poll should have a option that says: "I am playing on both. So I am purple."

I selected red since i'm mostly on pvp right now.

[Daefuin]

Regardless of guard assist being in or not, I can't believe I have to once again say this, I think I've said it enough:

There will never be a fucking character wipe or server reset. STOP asking about it, STOP trolling about it, We DON'T do them. This is NOT VZ/TZ or any other server you may have been used to that happening.

[georgie]

I vote that more bluebies should try it out! You might like what you find hehe.

[mostbitter]

blast from the past

[Vermicelli]

The single time I tried playing on Red 99 was because blue was down for a moment. Even before R99 launched, I could tell I wouldn't get along with the personalities that would be playing there. I still have yet to see a reason to join R99. Go post in your own forums =[

[Graahle]

The single time I tried playing on Red 99 was because blue was down for a moment. Even before R99 launched, I could tell I wouldn't get along with the personalities that would be playing there. I still have yet to see a reason to join R99. Go post in your own forums =[

This post is the equivalent to a child not eating his/her vegetables because they look weird. You never know until you really try it out! I highly encourage you and anybody else to come on over and give us a shot. Besides, you would get a chance at a fresh Kubark release if you missed it on Blue.

[Vermicelli]

This post is the equivalent to a child not eating his/her vegetables because they look weird. You never know until you really try it out! I highly encourage you and anybody else to come on over and give us a shot. Besides, you would get a chance at a fresh Kubark release if you missed it on Blue.

And this post is the equivalent of someone not understanding that red has a low population because of the putrid man-child personalities that play there. Or rather that is this post and every post ever made by R99 trolls that claim they are not the reason that the population is so low. Once they chew through Kubark's content in about two weeks, they will all heave a great collective sigh and clamor to find a new box to eat up super quickly.

[Razdeline]

Red is fun, after playing on blue for a long time...It is definately interesting

[Shrubwise]

I'm pretty sure at least some of the people who play here, including myself, are in their 30s. Said people who play on blue have no desire to interact with teenage/20-something pale friendless virgin bronies who live for pixel rage and will create endless forum accounts to broadcast their pixel dominance. Go post in red. Interested people will look there.

As a 20-something Red player, my feelings are officially hurt. I'm sad the 30-something's won't be playing with me. And you're not invited to my birthday party. :(

[Sularys]

Let red die already. Really tired of reading red crap on blue forums. If we are interested in red, we can visit the red section.

[Breeziyo]

As a 20-something Red player, my feelings are officially hurt. I'm sad the 30-something's won't be playing with me. And you're not invited to my birthday party. :(

Hey, at least you're not a brony.

[kaev]

Hey, at least you're not a brony.

don't let him kid you

[BigSlip]

And this post is the equivalent of someone not understanding that red has a low population because of the putrid man-child personalities that play there. Or rather that is this post and every post ever made by R99 trolls that claim they are not the reason that the population is so low. Once they chew through Kubark's content in about two weeks, they will all heave a great collective sigh and clamor to find a new box to eat up super quickly.

one hundred and thirty on atm


just sayin'

[tops419]

what an interesting idea.

Have a Red week over on Blue where top guilds/everyone agrees to turn in the books. there's still a pretty easy way to take pvp status off?
it would be fun,
sort of like a player initiated event

[tops419]

then call everyone a vagina that doesn't have their pvp flag on.

[Sularys]

What would be fun about it? Some of us don't enjoy the pvp aspect of the game. I've always thought EQ pvp was pretty horrible. Keep it on red, where it belongs.

[Enderenter]

This thread does the opposite of delivering.

[Vermicelli]

then call everyone a vagina that doesn't have their pvp flag on.

What would be fun about it? Some of us don't enjoy the pvp aspect of the game. I've always thought EQ pvp was pretty horrible. Keep it on red, where it belongs.

Precisely. Not forgiving the putrid personalities on Red99, I play EverQuest to relax. Red99 with the player loot rules, I would not be able to relax. Post in your own Red forums.