Just stop..

[Dirtnap]

Using "This is a 12 year old game" as an argument for anything. Who cares how old the game is? Why does the age matter? Someone give me one good reason why the age of the game matters in any argument.

[Messianic]

Quit arguing about whether or not the 12-year old game fact matters, it's a 12 year old game for pete's sake

[Ennoia]

Using "This is a 12 year old game" as an argument for anything. Who cares how old the game is? Why does the age matter? Someone give me one good reason why the age of the game matters in any argument.

People should know how stuff works and not have to cheat? All of the information is right there on the internet, but people are still SO terrible at the game that they have to use MQ2/SEQ, make guides for boss fights and throw tantrums like little spoiled children when it comes to bosses because people can't share.

[Clever]

The actual argument is, "it's only a game."

People add the 12-year old part because its more pejorative. Unfortunately, it also dulls the point.

It's only a game.

[Harrison]

It makes them feel better for sucking at it.

"ur addict too 12 year old game only 500 ppl play on lol"

I tried to sound like them. ^

[Kassel]

The "It's only a game" argument is bullshit as well.

Your car is on fire, but dont be mad, it was only a game.

http://www.documentingreality.com/forum/attachments/f224/281458d1308344965-vancouver-riots-2011-article-0-0c95f73e00000578-377_634x422.jpg

[Demetrium]

Using "This is a 12 year old game" as an argument for anything. Who cares how old the game is? Why does the age matter? Someone give me one good reason why the age of the game matters in any argument.

It provides scope.

Someone cheating at StarCraft2 is one thing.
Someone cheating at a 12-year old emulated game is another.

While being caught cheating at something is embarrassing in any regard, I think cheating at something so niche is just downright humiliating.

[Pico]

The "It's only a game" argument is bullshit as well.

Your car is on fire, but dont be mad, it was only a game.

http://www.documentingreality.com/forum/attachments/f224/281458d1308344965-vancouver-riots-2011-article-0-0c95f73e00000578-377_634x422.jpg

nah man you got it backwards the car symbolizes all the shit spewed on these here forums while the canucks getting destroyed in game 7 is the parallel to eq

[Convict]

While being caught cheating at something is embarrassing in any regard, I think cheating at something so niche is just downright humiliating.
very true

[Snaggles]

Using "This is a 12 year old game" as an argument for anything. Who cares how old the game is? Why does the age matter? Someone give me one good reason why the age of the game matters in any argument.

Here's a reason that works:

Most people playing this 12 years ago were in that 16 year old + category. It had monthly fee so a credit card and that was hard to get parents to do over a video game in the 90's. People playing this game now for the FIRST time defy the norm. Confusing or not, welcome aboard. :)

Add 12 years to the average player and they are close to 30 if not well over that.

Most people did the live game, enjoyed it and moved on. Now back to relive childhood memories for the nostalgia (not to be a damn child again).

Oh...that and the graphics are akin to a Nintendo 64 and people treat it like a religion to this day.

[Agent]

i started playin eq when i was 9 years old

[Tombom]

Using "This is a 12 year old game" as an argument for anything. Who cares how old the game is? Why does the age matter? Someone give me one good reason why the age of the game matters in any argument.

somebody struck a nerve

[Kika Maslyaka]

Here's a reason that works:

Most people playing this 12 years ago were in that 16 year old + category. It had monthly fee so a credit card and that was hard to get parents to do over a video game in the 90's. People playing this game now for the FIRST time defy the norm. Confusing or not, welcome aboard. :)

Add 12 years to the average player and they are close to 30 if not well over that.

Most people did the live game, enjoyed it and moved on. Now back to relive childhood memories for the nostalgia (not to be a damn child again).

Oh...that and the graphics are akin to a Nintendo 64 and people treat it like a religion to this day.

not directed at you specifically in anyway, but SOME of those people, who just want to relieve the nostalgia, and DO NOT take game seriously any more, SHOULD go and join EZ server (or any other set at x10 Xp rate, free epics at level 1) where they can be level 70 in 2 hours, and just run around one-shooting the mobs all day long.

And original poster is right, age of the game is irrelevant - you either take the game seriously and with respect, or you don't.

I believe that 2nd type of people do not belong here.

[Snaggles]

not directed at you specifically in anyway, but SOME of those people, who just want to relieve the nostalgia, and DO NOT take game seriously any more, SHOULD go and join EZ server (or any other set at x10 Xp rate, free epics at level 1) where they can be level 70 in 2 hours, and just run around one-shooting the mobs all day long.

And original poster is right, age of the game is irrelevant - you either take the game seriously and with respect, or you don't.

I believe that 2nd type of people do not belong here.

Agreed completely.

The game definitely is worthy of respect. I've never muttered that phrase because I have high views of the game (more than some family members :rolleyes:). The comment about being a child isn't knocking the activity of playing intensely but personalities/antics of certain people.

It's ideal to think people have matured in 12 years. It's also ideal to think the, "it's a 12 year old game" is anything but a petty jab and justification for cheaters and assholes to get away with murder.

Respect or GTFO.

[Dirtnap]

I was never talking about the cheaters. I was talking about people saying it in an average argument. Like "Lol your getting mad over a 12 year old game." Why in that sentence, does the age of the game matter? I honestly think you just look stupid adding that into the statement. Much more stupid than the statement would have originally made you look.

[soup]

It provides scope.

Someone cheating at StarCraft2 is one thing.
Someone cheating at a 12-year old emulated game is another.

While being caught cheating at something is embarrassing in any regard, I think cheating at something so niche is just downright humiliating.

Pretty much nailed it.

[Juugox2]

i miss tags :(

[Ravenlof]

The actual argument is, "it's only a game."

People add the 12-year old part because its more pejorative. Unfortunately, it also dulls the point.

It's only a game.

eq is srs businness

[Rainflush]

The 12 years thing is used to provide additional accent on the absurdity of getting so indignant about a computer game. For example, if your playing the latest, greatest multi-player game that everyone is talking about, there is a contemporary cathexis by which one's actions may have a notable effect on any number of people and thus hold a veritable (yet ultimately trivial) significance within this tiny facet of life. Conversely, if you're playing a recreation of much older game where the nature of the appeal is primarily nostalgic, it seems that much more ridiculous to consider the activity with any seriousness.

That will have to do for an explanation as I am presently rather tired.

[Striiker]

What does it matter that it's a game regardless of the age? It's a hobby, it's challenging (unless you cheat), you have fun playing it, etc.
Heck, I have an arcade console based off of MAME and I love playing the old school arcade games from the 70's and 80's (which I enjoyed as a young boy back then). Why? They are challenging and fun to play and it's a hobby. Nothing wrong with that. I agree that people who add the age of the game or the fact that it's emulated really don't understand the idea that these facts do not matter. Many have returned to EQ on Project 1999 BECAUSE it is hard and very close to how the game was on live back in 1999 / 2000. Others who never played the gave before came to Project 1999 because they know someone who played EQ back in the day or heard how great and challenging the game used to be and wanted to see for themselves.
People get worked up over the game because it means something more to them than just something to kill a few hours playing and that's fine. There are thousands of people who sit in front of their screens getting VERY worked up and excited, dressing up in costumes, clearing up blocks of time to dedicate to their enjoyment of... watching sports.. I don't begrudge them with their even older games so why begrudge people who like a 12-year old emulated game?

[visage]

Using "This is a 12 year old game" as an argument for anything. Who cares how old the game is? Why does the age matter? Someone give me one good reason why the age of the game matters in any argument.

Hey bro chill out this is a 12 year old game. No need to get all ragin on the forums about it jeez.

[Ektar]

CAN'T STOP (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfOdWSiyWoc&ob=av2e)

no but srs I was the original forum ranter on this topic. I FEEL YOUR PAIN! No one ever says bro calm down it's chess it's not like it was invented within the past 6 months

[Dirtnap]

I wasn't raging, I was genuinely curious of the idiocy that people spew out of their faces.

[Demetrium]

I wasn't raging, I was genuinely curious of the idiocy that people spew out of their faces.

You didn't know what it meant and several people explained why it makes perfect sense to use it as a descriptor. You seem upset.

[Dirtnap]

You didn't know what it meant and several people explained why it makes perfect sense to use it as a descriptor. You seem upset.

You are mistaken, I never once asked what it meant. I asked why people would add something so stupid, to an already stupid statement/argument.

I'm not upset, I never gave the appearance of being upset. Unless you are automatically upset when you ask several questions in a row. If so, I am so mad bro.

[Ektar]

it is a flaw of logic to infer that I implied you were raging. all I said is I was the original forum ranter of the topic

[casdegere]

It is a game old or not, but it is what I, and many others like to do when they have free time. If cheaters had no bearing on things like, a player based economy etc in this game, it would not matter what they did but they do and it does. Regardless of what you as an individual choose to spend your free time doing, most of us want to enjoy ourselves while doing it yes?

Trainers, Griefers, Cheaters and the like, bring down the fun factor for people plain and simple. The draw of this 12 year old game is its difficulty and the fact that if you want it, you need to put the time in to get it mentality. I've tried many many games and I still come back to this one, it is unique and it is special to me.

Anything anyone else says about it obviously enjoys harshing on people from time to time. Playing it down, making fun of it and those that play it, what is that accomplishing? Does it make you feel good about yourself? Well maybe it does...and that's sad.

[Demetrium]

To all the Sith Lords out there who think cheating is cheating and a game is a game: Is cheating against your 12 year old son at Scrabble any different than cheating at P99?

If you answer yes then it's obvious the fact the game is 12 years old and played on a niche corner of the internet means something.

[Ennoia]

Anything you potentially do more hours a week than you spend at work is far beyond 'just a game', especially when there's other people involved. Anyone who says EQ is just a game is usually pretty bad at it and no one likes them.