Seriously guyz

[Shannacore]

[10:58] [nilbog_work] all everyone ever talks about is staff, or devs, and not eq in general. which means.. no bug reports, which means i'm going to read less of it. good luck when you have no staff left


Quit bitching about negligible things all the time imo.

[mitic]

imo, close the forums except trade and server chat boards for a week with an appropriate message on frontpage and ban everyone who starts a flame post in server chat

staff should be aware that every single person posting in this forums, same if its a troll or someone sayin he leaves because of cheaters, are still ppl who play. if i realy wanted to leave, then i would just leave without notice (maybe one post, but thats about it)

everyone knows the value about this project and it is here to stay (hopefully)

[Shannacore]

I brought that up as well. Rants and Flames has to be a huge headache for the staff. The only legitimate posts in there are the ones where someone ran into a scammer in-game and are rightfully upset about it. The rest is just people QQing about pixels.

Would be helpful for the staff if R&F didn't exist.

[Extunarian]

imo, close the forums except trade and server chat boards for a week with an appropriate message on frontpage and ban everyone who starts a flame post in server chat


/agree

[Szeth]

Is there any way we could require that people post under their character or account names?

[Anger]

I brought that up as well. Rants and Flames has to be a huge headache for the staff. The only legitimate posts in there are the ones where someone ran into a scammer in-game and are rightfully upset about it. The rest is just people QQing about pixels.

Would be helpful for the staff if R&F didn't exist.

If it didn't, people would just shit up other forums and we'd need more forum mods to police the rest of them.

[Diggles]

if you take away a litter box, the cats just poop everywhere else.

[Hasbinbad]

if you take away a litter box, the cats just poop everywhere else.
better at your house than mine

[Leftoverture]

you dont even play n e more. stop shitting up da forum plz

[feanan]

I brought that up as well. Rants and Flames has to be a huge headache for the staff. The only legitimate posts in there are the ones where someone ran into a scammer in-game and are rightfully upset about it. The rest is just people QQing about pixels.

Would be helpful for the staff if R&F didn't exist.

Something ironic about someone who doesn't even play on the server coming here to tell the people that actually play on the server to stop posting on the server boards.

[Barkingturtle]

Honestly, the trouble is that the vast majority of people using this message board did not play EverQuest in 1999. If they had, they'd already know that everything in RnF is illegitimate, because they would have a working familiarity with the interwebs.

[druziil]

People really do need to lay off the Devs. Do I think they are perfect? No, are you perfect? No. They obviously try to do a good job and what they think is best for the server. We need to stop letting our player on player hate from turning into bullshit staff bashing.

[Tarathiel]

Really tho, its a handful of people that are causing 90% of the grief here, ban them all imo... Its not hard to pick out who they are

[Tarathiel]

And if they don't get banned its up to the rest of the community to put a stop to this garbage, their stupid drama is affecting the rest of us now, we are losing gm's, losing devs, getting denied content, and are possibly at risk of losing the entire server. Its up to us to get rids of these parasites, don't group with them, don't guild with them, don't respond to their adolescent posts, with no food the trolls will die

[Mcbard]

Nilbog I <3 u man. Don't let 'em keep you down.

[Kruel]

imo, close the forums except trade and server chat boards for a week with an appropriate message on frontpage and ban everyone who starts a flame post in server chat

staff should be aware that every single person posting in this forums, same if its a troll or someone sayin he leaves because of cheaters, are still ppl who play. if i realy wanted to leave, then i would just leave without notice (maybe one post, but thats about it)

everyone knows the value about this project and it is here to stay (hopefully)

I started a thread before that said we need to shut down R&F, and if people give you slack throw bans out. They make this game for our enjoyment.. and we take the enjoyment from them with our BS

[Shannacore]

Something ironic about someone who doesn't even play on the server coming here to tell the people that actually play on the server to stop posting on the server boards.

I'm not causing any of the devs/mods issues though, am I? My posts never cause issues or have to be forum policed. Sure, you might find me irritating, but I'm not being detrimental to the server as some of the other posters.

[xshayla701]

I'm not causing any of the devs/mods issues though, am I? My posts never cause issues or have to be forum policed. Sure, you might find me irritating, but I'm not being detrimental to the server as some of the other posters.

ehh i seem to remember a few warnings you got for posting about fruit rollups and lollipops ~

[Vohl]

Few people enjoy being the bad guy, but that's what's needed here. Mods have been warning and banning in Server Chat. More is needed here and there.

Shutting down RnF if things are getting toxic seems just fine to me.

[Shannacore]

OKAY, Nilbog did PM me once asking me to not post porn. That was pre-Guinea though.

[Atmas]

Why would anyone on the staff worry about the RnF forum?

That's like sticking your head in the garbage can and not liking what you smell.

[guineapig]

I think if R&F was off by default and you actually had to opt-in, instead of the other way around then it would be less detrimental.

The issue is when new members of the community come to the forums for the first time, click on the "new posts" button and half the results are R&F.

I really don't know if it has any impact and if so how much. But that would be design change I would implement. At least to give newcomers a little rant-free p99 before they decide whether or not to opt in to the mudslinging-fest. Just my opinion though.

[Shannacore]

It's an overall forum rule to dabble in staff v. player matters, which often goes on in R&F.

[Spud]

I think if R&F was off by default and you actually had to opt-in, instead of the other way around then it would be less detrimental.


i like this idea

[Runningfish]

I do think dev's/staff go largely unappreciated and it's a shame. I don't know about you but I love this server and I find it highly unlikely there will be another like it. This could be the last time a populated classic server is around. Appreciate it, respect it, and don't fuck it up.

I think if R&F was off by default and you actually had to opt-in, instead of the other way around then it would be less detrimental.


Agree'd. Recently the argument was brought up that the forums deterred new players. A couple days later a thread showed up in server chat started by a person who almost didn't join because of what he had seen here.. I'd imagine most people don't put in the effort to make a post asking if it's just the forums.

[Appollo]

For what it's worth, I think that the forum community gives too much credit to those that "bash the developers". Perhaps I'm wrong, but I doubt the developers give anything short of a passing glance at "all of the grief thrown around about their decisions".

To be sure, humans have emotions and we are not surrounded by emotionless, rhinohide-skinned, robots. But, to be in the position that they're in they have long ago learned to not give it any credence.

Also, don't get me wrong, I'm sure some of the constructive criticism is considered. Especially the constructive criticism voiced through the proper channels. But, most of what is said (or at least what we read) is nonsensical...ranting and flaming, of which no one should give more than a passing glance anyway.

[Shannacore]

For what it's worth, I think that the forum community gives too much credit to those that "bash the developers". Perhaps I'm wrong, but I doubt the developers give anything short of a passing glance at "all of the grief thrown around about their decisions".

It's not that they're getting offended, of course they are not. It's that the behavior ends up wasting their time, and that people are spending more time on ranting and flaming than doing productive things for the server. Nilbog stated that pretty clearly in the IRC segment I quoted in my O.P.

[purist]

hasbinbad already made this exact thread

[Dantes]

Would be helpful for the staff if R&F didn't exist.

YES! If somebody really wants to rant, they can host it on some other external forum. Having Rants & Flames here just encourages people to be assholes.

[Appollo]

It's not that they're getting offended, of course they are not. It's that the behavior ends up wasting their time, and that people are spending more time on ranting and flaming than doing productive things for the server. Nilbog stated that pretty clearly in the IRC segment I quoted in my O.P.

True, and perhaps I missed your point originally. Nevertheless, if people are busy "ranting and flaming" I doubt they're the type of people that are going to be productive members of the community in the first place. Then again ... you know what they say about those who rage against the machine!

[Alkorin]

YES! If somebody really wants to rant, they can host it on some other external forum. Having Rants & Flames here just encourages people to be assholes.

RnF is an enabler for certain people. Ditch RnF and you force them to seek their fun elsewhere -- probably at someone else's expense, more than likely in-game. Here, they can be ignored.

[Phallax]

I dont know why the GMs even read R&F it doesnt concern them at all. Its there for us to vent.

Deal with the other stuff. Leave R&F alone or just get rid of it.

[Seaweedpimp]

I dont know why the GMs even read R&F it doesnt concern them at all. Its there for us to vent.

Deal with the other stuff. Leave R&F alone or just get rid of it.

Pretty sure they do ignore most of it, just when RnF has about 12 threads named after or calling out the devs, they get curious.

[Demetrium]

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e358/redspec/1595201-oh_look_its_this_thread_again_super.jpg

[Atmas]

Pretty sure they do ignore most of it, just when RnF has about 12 threads named after or calling out the devs, they get curious.

People runnin their mouth about people providing free services for them generally aren't worht listening to.

[Dantes]

RnF is an enabler for certain people. Ditch RnF and you force them to seek their fun elsewhere -- probably at someone else's expense, more than likely in-game. Here, they can be ignored.

Yeah I've heard that argument before. A great deal of these folks don't even play the game anymore, or got banned so they wouldn't be in-game anyway. If they have no outlet to rant here, they'll just get bored and leave. (which is what we want)

[mwatt]

Yeah I've heard that argument before. A great deal of these folks don't even play the game anymore, or got banned so they wouldn't be in-game anyway. If they have no outlet to rant here, they'll just get bored and leave. (which is what we want)

I agree with the content of the OP's post. However, I had a hard time getting past the title, where the words "seriously" and "guyz" are combined.

[Alkorin]

Yeah I've heard that argument before. A great deal of these folks don't even play the game anymore, or got banned so they wouldn't be in-game anyway. If they have no outlet to rant here, they'll just get bored and leave. (which is what we want)

Fair enough. Problem is, that's an assumption: There's nothing whatsoever stopping them from making a character, logging in and doing damage, given that it's all free and they can essentially do as they please.

Unless they get arrested, like this guy (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-14897948), anyway. =D

[JenJen]

im still shocked players & the devs take rnf so seriously. as a regular rnf poster, everything i post is firmly tongue in cheek as im sure it is for 90% of the other regulars there.