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Rogean
09-27-2011, 06:59 PM
I seem to remember back in the day, when an HP Buff was cast on someone, it would increase their max HP only, and not heal the amount it was 'buffing' for. As it currently stands, most if not all of the buffs in the game have two seperate effect id's.. one for increasing the max hitpoints, and one for healing that same amount of hitpoints. I thought I remembered the latter not existing for some time until they were added. When were they added? This is going to affect the PvP server because it is the difference between a buff effecting the dynamic range or not due to the heal.

Tombom
09-27-2011, 07:01 PM
should be getting buffs from your bros anyways, and if your pling getting zerged by a bunch of lowbies would be fun.

Rogean
09-27-2011, 07:01 PM
The difference is a level.. say.. 30.. casting a buff on a 50 as he happens to pass by.. that 30 can now be wtfpwned.

Galacticus
09-27-2011, 07:02 PM
I remember what you say is correct all the way into velious.

Tyen01
09-27-2011, 07:02 PM
If you buff someone, you ally with someone.

IMO

jilena
09-27-2011, 07:03 PM
I don't know about at release as I did not play til Oct '99 but I recall inner fire healing pretty early on, and I seem to recall people used cleric hp/ac buff clickies in kunark to self heal.

Harrison
09-27-2011, 07:03 PM
I distinctly remember using my deepwater helm in Kunark for heals. (Before kunark, I am not sure because I was a massive noob in classic)

Seaweedpimp
09-27-2011, 07:04 PM
I thought that some spells healed and some didnt, like the cleric line of non reagent spells would heal you, im not sure if i remember symbols healing. I cant be sure if druids did either. Im allmost 100 % sure that the int based caster type shielding line did not ever heal.

C5BAMF
09-27-2011, 07:04 PM
I've always remembered raw HP buffs as increasing their max HP only. My strongest memory being in Velious.

Dfn
09-27-2011, 07:05 PM
HP buffs acted as a heal as well. Remember the level 1 shaman buff? It was used over the heal because it was more efficient than the heal.

Tyen01
09-27-2011, 07:06 PM
^ true story

Honest
09-27-2011, 07:06 PM
I remember it healing the same amount of HP at least until Kunark as I remember Pally's using the Valor buff on Deepwater Helm to heal themselves when it was an instant cast then got nerfed to a casting time.

Cujoy
09-27-2011, 07:08 PM
I also remember a pally valor healing me with a helm so I think your memory betrays you rogean

Palemoon
09-27-2011, 07:08 PM
I do remember inner fire being spammed by shaman as their heal.

Galacticus
09-27-2011, 07:09 PM
The difference is a level.. say.. 30.. casting a buff on a 50 as he happens to pass by.. that 30 can now be wtfpwned.

Not really, because it doesnt change his current hp.

Lets say the 30 has 500 hp, and the buff gives him 200 hp, he would just have 500/700.

Irfzero
09-27-2011, 07:10 PM
I remember heal affect on cleric HP / symbol buff. We used to have clerics group heal w/ group hero a lot after kunark released.

No heal affects on INT shielding line and i thought that was the same w/ talismans (not innerfire) also but i know on p99 Tali will heal.

Galacticus
09-27-2011, 07:10 PM
Some of them increased max hp and some healed I think. I dont remeber which specifically.

Arrisard
09-27-2011, 07:11 PM
I remember it healing the same amount of HP at least until Kunark as I remember Pally's using the Valor buff on Deepwater Helm to heal themselves when it was an instant cast then got nerfed to a casting time.

This. Caused a minor shit storm in the paladin community like 2 or 3 months after Kunark was live IIRC.

ETA - from patch notes for July 19, 2000:

The Deepwater Helm now has a significant casting time. The function of its spell allowed a mana-free heal even though it was intended to be a buff.

Ennoia
09-27-2011, 07:14 PM
I thought that some spells healed and some didnt, like the cleric line of non reagent spells would heal you, im not sure if i remember symbols healing. I cant be sure if druids did either. Im allmost 100 % sure that the int based caster type shielding line did not ever heal.

Cleric/Paladin non-regent HP buffs, Druid skin buffs, and Shaman focus line all healed. Int caster shielding buffs only raised max HP.

SK Cloak, Paladin Brell's line, and Ranger Strength line also all healed when cast.

Cribanox
09-27-2011, 07:14 PM
I dont remember being buffed then needing to be healed to full afterwords.

Nirgon
09-27-2011, 07:15 PM
Yes, hp buffs have a heal component.

Sinadyen
09-27-2011, 07:26 PM
Yep, as per the examples mentioned already...

Inner Fire, Level 1 shaman spell, used in place of minor healing.

Deepwater Helm (Daring) as a mana free 6 second healing spell for the 45+ pally world.

HP buffs used as healing.

Ravenlof
09-27-2011, 07:33 PM
Though t clerics and druids were only one whos skin would buff HP and heal .. could be wroung

Kika Maslyaka
09-27-2011, 07:49 PM
Level 1 Druid's Skin like Wood increased your max hp, but did not heal you
However, all other Skin buffs, increased max hp AND healed you at the same time.

I also used my Elder Spirits legs as a free heal in groups during med time

I also played a newbie shaman back in 99, I specifically remember using Inner Fire to heal instead of minor healing cause it was more mana effective.

Honest
09-27-2011, 07:54 PM
I also remember only certain buffs healing, i know cleric and druid for sure but couldn't tell you on any other class.

Xanthias
09-27-2011, 08:02 PM
I remember using my skin line to heal myself as ranger heal is pretty much a joke and used the same amount of mana, during Kunark

Vondra
09-27-2011, 08:14 PM
Basically, hp buffs from the classes that had the heal spell would also heal the person.

The self hp buffs int casters get did not (so they presumably wouldn't have a direct self healing spell)

Roanoke
09-27-2011, 11:20 PM
HP buffs acted as a heal as well. Remember the level 1 shaman buff? It was used over the heal because it was more efficient than the heal.

This. Same with Skin like Wood. Was always a more efficient heal than minor healing as a newbie.

Trystych
09-27-2011, 11:55 PM
Int caster hp buffs provide no heal portion but wis do.

Ingrum
09-28-2011, 07:26 AM
HP buffs acted as a heal as well. Remember the level 1 shaman buff? It was used over the heal because it was more efficient than the heal.

It's been said a few times already, but the thing that I remember the most about playing a shaman in classic is spamming that Inner Fire for heals.

I do remember some upper level HP buffs that didn't have a heal component though. However, I'll be damned if I could ever remember which ones.

mitic
09-28-2011, 07:30 AM
I seem to remember back in the day, when an HP Buff was cast on someone, it would increase their max HP only, and not heal the amount it was 'buffing' for.

this is correct. i demand a patch for this so i can keep enjoing my classic immersion ;)