Exp Bonus when server goes live

[gloinz]

PvE Risk / Reward: Compared to other servers, you gain 20% more XP per kill, and XP lost upon death is 50% less than normal (for both PvP and PvE deaths).

Sullon Zek featured a 20% xp bonus because the majority of the time you are pveing, someone would come by and wreck your day causing you not only lose a couple hours of xp, but you would also waste tons of time. I think that will hold true here.

So make up for a large amount of the time we will spend on corpse runs/hours long battles/defending camps there should be a 20% xp bonus when server goes live.
signed,
champion of pvp champ gloinz

http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/8104/redvsblue.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/851/redvsblue.jpg/)

Uploaded with ImageShack.us (http://imageshack.us)

[Nerfbat]

I like to think of it more as: I would rather spend the majority of my time pvp'ing than grinding. Not necessarily as someone ruined all my hard work in a day by killing me. If I want to show the dedication I have for my character by having the highest level and most pixels I will go play on P99.

More time for PVP, less for PVE

[Not_Kazowi]

Couldn't agree more, please include an xp bonus for live.

[Billbike]

I actually enjoy grinding to some extent. A SMALL exp bonus wouldn't hurt. Could be offset with a small PVP exp penalty.

Just not easymode please.

[Absynthe2k5]

Greetings fellow Sullon Zeker's!

I was hoping some of the old server might be playing EQ somewhere!

[pickled_heretic]

Sullon Zek featured a 20% xp bonus because the majority of the time you are pveing, someone would come by and wreck your day causing you not only lose a couple hours of xp, but you would also waste tons of time. I think that will hold true here.

So make up for a large amount of the time we will spend on corpse runs/hours long battles/defending camps there should be a 20% xp bonus when server goes live.
signed,
champion of pvp champ gloinz

not only is gloinz the champion of pvp, he is also articulate and wise; genteel of both rhetoric and the honourable art of combat. a master of both the pen and the sword!

[dusk883]

This would be good stuff coming from the casual player perspective. Wait all week to play when the weekend arrives, would be nice to ding a level each week.

[Kungen]

Voted no, but it wouldn't kill me if there was a really small exp bonus. But definitely not more then 5-20%.

[Morninx]

sullen zek was great fun

[Nirgon]

Global ooc
Yellow Text
XP Bonus


Lol.

[C5BAMF]

We don't need a temporary exp bonus that quickly creates a gap in player levels. Mid-game pvp is an important element.

[Haul]

THIS IDEA IS FRICKING RETARDED, STOP ASKING FOR XP BONUS NOOB. ITS CLASSIC.

[gloinz]

We don't need a temporary exp bonus that quickly creates a gap in player levels. Mid-game pvp is an important element.

20% xp bonus isn't gonna create any gaps, the powergamers who go from 1-50 without eatting sleeping or moving from comp are still gonna get there in 2 days

the 20% xp bonus is just gonna make it about half the regular pace of leveling on a blue server once you add in all the deaths from pvp

http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/8104/redvsblue.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/851/redvsblue.jpg/)

[dusk883]

These Ross Perot type charts really clarify things.

I'm all for anything that helps a casual gamer compete

[Eldaran]

I vote yes because your well researched charts are undeniable. I was swayed.

[Nerfbat]

Lol, Smedy bringing the graphs. I still don't think we should look at it as "omg, i lost all my exp i was bluebin for that day because I got ganked", because you aren't going to lose that much exp anyways. My argument for the bonus is that others and myself included would rather spend more time PvP'ing and less time doing the grind. Especially if we want to draw more casual players to the server - i don't care if its classic or not. If I want classic, I'll go to Blue P99.

Its nice to be able to level to 10 in less than a month (exaggeration) while spending most of that time not actually leveling and chasing around lvl 10 clerics who can't afford all of their spells.

[Palemoon]

NO

Keep it classic. The server only goes up to three expansions, no need to rush to 60.

[Morninx]

NO

Keep it classic. The server only goes up to three expansions, no need to rush to 60.

population will suffer.. Thats fine though. red99=blu99 2.0

[Nirgon]

There was also a pvp bonus because ANY level could come grief you. Make this thing 4 levels, item loot and be done with it.

[Nerfbat]

NO

Keep it classic. The server only goes up to three expansions, no need to rush to 60.

But thats just it. Its not like on Blue99 when you hit 50 (or 60 when Kunark comes out) things get stale. You then get to CONTINUE PVPING!

(im gonna pause here to let that sink in a bit)

And its not about people wanting to get 50 (or 60) in the first week. Thats going to happen with or without an exp bonus, unless the world runs out of adult sized diapers. Not all of us work part time at Papa Johns and can devout the time necessary to keep entertained with the classic grind. PvP requires a player base (weird isn't it), so keep the player base as high as possible by letting the casual players and bi-curious players from Blue99 to come here without worrying about sinking another 2-3 years of playing time to get to the fun competitive shit-fest that is EQ pvp.

[cured]

How about increased exp in certain dungeons for people who want to grind out a couple levels before running off and killing people?

I'm really excited about r99. At high populations, there will be so few top level players there won't be many fights over dragons or planes. That's how it was on TZ. I was a little dismayed by what I saw on p99 with multiple guilds running all over the place stealing pulls.

[Harrison]

Hey guys, I think 4 threads crying about leveling speed isn't enough. We need at least 5.

[Doors]

Some of you are going into shell shock whenever you actually start grinding when beta ends.

PS: Rogean realistically isn't going to alter EXP rates.

[Nerfbat]

I'll get right on it Harrison.

[Palemoon]

But thats just it. Its not like on Blue99 when you hit 50 (or 60 when Kunark comes out) things get stale. You then get to CONTINUE PVPING!

(im gonna pause here to let that sink in a bit)

And its not about people wanting to get 50 (or 60) in the first week. Thats going to happen with or without an exp bonus, unless the world runs out of adult sized diapers. Not all of us work part time at Papa Johns and can devout the time necessary to keep entertained with the classic grind. PvP requires a player base (weird isn't it), so keep the player base as high as possible by letting the casual players and bi-curious players from Blue99 to come here without worrying about sinking another 2-3 years of playing time to get to the fun competitive shit-fest that is EQ pvp.


Here we go with the "game dosent begin until max level!" syndrome again.

Thanks WoW, and all the clones that came after you, thanks a lot.

[pickled_heretic]

Hey guys, I think 4 threads crying about leveling speed isn't enough. We need at least 5.

i agree with you about the whining in regard to the beta server leveling speed, if anything it's much too fast - the vast majority of people outlevel their budget and can't even afford a single lvl 8 spell by the time they get there.

however, threads about beta leveling speed are not really related to discussing a bonus when the server goes live.

technically the proposed live server is already going to be an amalgamation of different rules we had on various classic pvp servers with a dash of custom thrown in, it really shouldn't be off the table to discuss something that was in one of the classic pvp servers.

[Nerfbat]

Here we go with the "game dosent begin until max level!" syndrome again.

Thanks WoW, and all the clones that came after you, thanks a lot.

Far from the point. The message you failed to derive from my post was that the game doesn't END at max level. Why slow down the process for the casual players. You're not giving that much of an edge to the basement dweller by adding it in (they will max level within the first two weeks regardless), and this way you don't hinder those of us with outside obligations. Leave the "I spent so much time butt fucking pixels and reaching level 50 (or 60), I'm so glad exp was slow enough for me to fully explore all of the blue content on red99" to blue99.

[Palemoon]

Far from the point. The message you failed to derive from my post was that the game doesn't END at max level. Why slow down the process for the casual players. You're not giving that much of an edge to the basement dweller by adding it in (they will max level within the first two weeks regardless), and this way you don't hinder those of us with outside obligations. Leave the "I spent so much time butt fucking pixels and reaching level 50 (or 60), I'm so glad exp was slow enough for me to fully explore all of the blue content on red99" to blue99.


"but the casual players!"

Began the long roll downhill that has lead to the current state of affairs in gaming today. Max level and epic weapons for everyone! in 3 days.

The project is about effort, and on red, blood sweat and tears.

No mercy, no ezmode, no wow xp rates.

I think there is an EMU called VZTZ. I hear the xp is faster there.

[gloinz]

Far from the point. The message you failed to derive from my post was that the game doesn't END at max level. Why slow down the process for the casual players. You're not giving that much of an edge to the basement dweller by adding it in (they will max level within the first two weeks regardless), and this way you don't hinder those of us with outside obligations. Leave the "I spent so much time butt fucking pixels and reaching level 50 (or 60), I'm so glad exp was slow enough for me to fully explore all of the blue content on red99" to blue99.

this plus the fact even with 20% xp bonus (which is barely noticeable, especially on certain classes), the time spent on factors that dont exist on blue servers such as
pvping/getting ganked/hiding/ traveling in obscure ways/ farming plat bc u cant afford spells cuz someone stole ur koolaid/

makes it far longer to level to 50 on a red server then a blue server
on a blue server as my graph shows, you level at a constant rate (however fast you want grind monsters) on a red server there are other variables that cause you to stop leveling that dont exist on blue servers

[Harrison]

I think there was an EMU called VZTZ. I hear the xp was faster there.

Fixed for ya :P

That server did well and the players from there are so skilled and talented. :rolleyes:

Lol vztz

[Doors]

The basic setup of this server is going to be very different from vztz or other custom red boxes people have played. Or at least thats what I've gathered from reading so far.

Basically heres how shit will work:

Leveling will take a long time. EXP rates on p99 are brutal. They're going to be the same here, with EXP loss on a PVP death meaning there is significant loss and risks anytime you go to fight others. Add that in with EXP loss on mob deaths and the grind to 50 (and 60 after Kunark) will be very time consuming. Does that mean this is a bad thing? No, not really, considering servers where you can hit max level in a week get boring quickly and die out. People obviously want to play on a box where they can level in a week, raid gear themselves then constantly fight each other or gank. That realistically will not be the case here. Most people won't hit 50 for a long time. Which actually isn't bad, because mid 30's and 40's PVP is fun as shit.

Rogean isn't putting YT or leaderboards in sadly, so the emphasis on PVP is that it will be used to handle mob disputes like raid targets. People out there will be rolling in gank squads for either kills on big names or coin, none of these kills will be advertised though and global OOC is going to be removed. However I think Rogean may consider leaving global OOC in if the server population is low enough. I wasn't around to see it, but when p99 had a population hovering around 200-300 global OOC existed on that server.

So if you consider these two conditions, you can basically assume that this will be nothing like the rest of the boxes. You'll level slow, getting pked will mean something at higher levels, and nobody is going to know you killed anyone else unless you're screenshotting it and bringing proof to the boards. PVP on this server will be used as a method to handle raid disputes, or grief. Past boxes it was like one giant arena fight where everyone leveled as fast as possible, geared themselves, then spent the rest of their gaming time on the box just hunting people down or fighting over dragons. People will still fight over dragons, but from what I've gathered PVP is just going to be a way to dispute issues over camps, raid targets, etc. on this server.

Is that a good thing? The fuck if I know. I just want to bind camp Harrison at some point and steal his welfare money.

[Nerfbat]

Is that a good thing? The fuck if I know. I just want to bind camp Harrison at some point and steal his welfare money.

I'll buy this.

[Harrison]

Bring it. What I've gathered from 2 days with you vztzjects is that you guys cry so loud in OOC about every minor inconvenience to your miniscule worlds.

Sure, I'll get ganked by roving bands of inbred troglodytes out to find me specifically. But, I'll die without crying like a bitch as you guys do incessantly hour after hour in ooc.

[Nerfbat]

You cry about crying. Don't kid yourself

[Billbike]

Rotating hotzones.

I haven't bothered digging through the forums, whatever.

I think it's a good compromise, and it creates pvp.

Edit: promoting PvP is collateral damage of rotating hotzones, not it's sole purpose.

[Nirgon]

^ dont need to create incentives to pvp. Having the option to do so is enough, and really the point.

[Softcore PK]

I leveled just fine without any bonuses on live; SZ players got this because of exp loss on pvp death (here it will be a very small exp loss). Having said that, I would like to see an exp bonus so we can hopefully steal more of the blue99 players.

[Evoken]

Without question. Maybe not as drastic as what we have now, but even with an exp bonus I expect it to be marginally more difficult to level on red than blue.

[Eldaran]

EQ has always been about the journey, and how rewarding it is each level you achieve because you worked your ass off for it. Personally i dont like xp loss on pvp death, but if I want to play on the Red server i'll do so no matter what the XP is like.

[Tillan]

OP, This is a good idea

[Ripcord]

Ill suck it up with no bonus, but shaving just a few hours off here and there wouldn't be the end of the world. Took me about 6 months as a ranger on blue to hit 50, so if Im pvping in naggys lair and its not yet 2014 ill be shocked. Whatever.

[dusk883]

Ill suck it up with no bonus, but shaving just a few hours off here and there wouldn't be the end of the world. Took me about 6 months as a ranger on blue to hit 50, so if Im pvping in naggys lair and its not yet 2014 ill be shocked. Whatever.

My end goal is 41 and you'll beat me by hitting 50 first.

[georgie]

increase exp bonus, but pvp death = big xp loss.

[Diggles]

i'd say for live, keep the xp bonus as it is right now, but a pvp death will make you lose like 30% of your level or something. It's still going to hurt.

[Softcore PK]

Some of you want 10x exp gain? :O

That's not the EQ I enjoyed playing.

[cured]

i'd say for live, keep the xp bonus as it is right now, but a pvp death will make you lose like 30% of your level or something. It's still going to hurt.

That's crazy. If you get attacked by the wrong players, they'll just let you loot your corpse then follow you out and kill you again, drop you another 30% and now you lost more than half a level in 10 minutes because that kind of policy rewards grievers.

[cured]

Some of you want 10x exp gain? :O

That's not the EQ I enjoyed playing.

I agree. That's why I said just keep it to a few dungeons. Befallen has a 200% bonus on p99, doesn't it? Sol A, too? WHy not just keep the same exp rules as p99? It works out pretty well, I think.

No exp loss on pvp death, though. Losing coin and having to walk back are penalty enough across all circumstances.

Item loot for duels, though, that could be something.

[Diggles]

That's crazy. If you get attacked by the wrong players, they'll just let you loot your corpse then follow you out and kill you again, drop you another 30% and now you lost more than half a level in 10 minutes because that kind of policy rewards grievers.

have some damn patience and wait? you don't have to immediately loot your corpse asap, and you can always /corpse

[gloinz]

I agree. That's why I said just keep it to a few dungeons. Befallen has a 200% bonus on p99, doesn't it? Sol A, too? WHy not just keep the same exp rules as p99? It works out pretty well, I think.

No exp loss on pvp death, though. Losing coin and having to walk back are penalty enough across all circumstances.

Item loot for duels, though, that could be something.

xp loss is fine where its at right now, it takes like 6 kills to get one blue taken away

infact it should be raised if anything

btw some of you don't realize we are at like 1000% xp bonus right now, what gloinz is proposing is simply 120% xp, barely noticeable amount in regular play

[cured]

You really have enough faith in this player base that someone won't exploit that simply because they can? Also, what does /corpse have to do with being jacked once you re-zone? Nothing. People will kill you naked and laugh at your 30% of a level exp loss. I'm saying that's not a door you want opened.

[Diggles]

lmfao, do you not know about the anti pk debuff when you die?

log out for 30 minutes and come back, im sure they'll take off

[Azmere]

Voted no but I'd be up for a small increase. You should do a poll for percent bonus.

[Softcore PK]

My vote is for 10-20% increase to recruit more bluebies.

[cured]

lmfao, do you not know about the anti pk debuff when you die?

log out for 30 minutes and come back, im sure they'll take off

Yeah I do but it isn't very user friendly to have be forced to stop playing. I only said what I said because I've seen the worst of a PvP server. I've also had my guild and groups trained on on p99. There are dumb shits out there just waiting to make life miserable for other players. You can deny it if you want but it's true. Most of the players I've met on p99 have been awesome and there are others were I thought "why don't you grow up or find something better to do."

It's also part of the reason Verant/SOE turned off item loot on TZ...people were losing hard earned items because some people would just sit invis and wait for someone to be loh and/or lom, then they'd swoop in at the tail end of the fight and knock someone out. You may think this is all fair play but it will force players to just go back to blue and the red player base will drop.

[pickled_heretic]

i feel like with xp loss on PVP death that it's only fair that there's a (small) global bonus like 20%. pvp exp loss is an additional way to lose exp (and time) that is above and beyond normal xp loss, and it's still technically classic to have a pvp server bonus. add this to the fact that we have an 8 level range instead of a 4 level range, plus the dynamic system - there's going to be a lot more potential for pvp death than there was on RZ.

[dusk883]

Story time. I was corpse camped a jillion times as GL for the Merciless Midgets. To combat this, when dead I would just log out, log in an alt and go to my corpse and hang out with the corpse campers, "yeah I hate that bastard too. I'll wait with you...damn, Woo logged out, oh well"

5 min later you're back in business.

[NenshouStar]

did not even read what was said before me, but had to log in to vote no.
keep it classic, wheres the fun if its not a little rough?
a little challenge never hurt anybody.

[georgie]

fuck 20% i think 1000% was more noticeable and still hard

[raptorak]

300% exp, no hybrid pens, I'm in til 60.

[Morninx]

exp should stay as is on beta

[lindz]

Voted for an exp bonus. Would like to see something similar to Sullon - not a bonus like the beta server but 20% sounds good.

[Envious]

Neg

[bwe]

20% bonus

[Harrison]

Voted no to anger the easymode crybabies.

[bwe]

grinding blows

[valithteezee]

How about XP bonus for first two weeks as a player-base incentive?

[Prahadigm24]

grinding blows

EQ Classic without grinding wouldn't be classic.

A really small increase like 5% would be tolerable, or maybe removing the xp death penalty, but 20%? Come on.

[Smedy]

On beta currently there is a 10x modifier to the exp, which means even with this 20% extra on live it's still going to be 9.8 times slower then right now.

You guys gonna have to grind to get glory either way, IT'S CLASSIC

[Bockscar]

Didn't the live PvP servers have a 20% bonus? Or was that just Sullon? Either way, it's not as if a 20% bonus makes that big of a difference, it just slightly balances out the fact that leveling will be hugely slowed down by PvP.

[Nixus]

I don't think the EXP rate is so bad /shrug.

[Muaar]

20%, yes

[lethdar]

Only sullon had a 20% xp bonus. Not classic, not needed.

[Lilen]

Definatly NO ! Leveling is already faster then it was back in 1999, and pvp deaths are very minor exp loss.

[Syriusly]

don't be bitches. no exp bonus.

[Dfn]

don't be bitches. yes exp bonus.

[mokfarg]

Project 99 - PvE could user a 20% one as well :D

If you want a hardcore PvP server, I think item loot rule should be on. You loot one item from that character's equipped gear or any item in their inventory. Last you may be able to loot one item from their alts and bank. :D

[Softcore PK]

Who wants hardcore pvp, though? :s