dorf pld - agi@70 - how bad is it?

[bozly]

Just realized that I didn't pump agi to 75 on creation. Only level 5, but untwinked that's still a good amount of time invested. Seems trivial, but is it going to be an issue moving forward?

[NotInventedHere]

Yes, with agi below 75 you will move forward substantially slower.

[Mardur]

.............lol.

Agi doesn't affect runspeed. You receive an AC penalty under 75 though, which is not good for a tank. Try to find a piece of gear with +5 agility quickly. Luckily it's one of the cheapest and most easily raised stats. This is why I never put points into agility on creation even if the character will start under 75.

[Kassel]

.............lol.

Agi doesn't affect runspeed. You receive an AC penalty under 75 though, which is not good for a tank. Try to find a piece of gear with +5 agility quickly. Luckily it's one of the cheapest and most easily raised stats. This is why I never put points into agility on creation even if the character will start under 75.

Encumber yourself to 30 agility then go for a walk, then come back here and appologize.

[Mardur]

Encumber yourself to 30 agility then go for a walk, then come back here and appologize.

Lol, I think it's literally been 1999 since I heard someone make the argument that agility affects runspeed. Halflings run faster than ogres!

Being encumbered decreases run speed as well as decreases your agility. The decreased run speed is not a direct effect of the decreased agility. You're seeing two negative effects and assuming one is causing the other when in actuality they're unrelated (except both being caused by encumbrance). Test: someone encumbered by 100 weight with 200 agility and someone encumbered by 100 weight with 1 agility will run at the same speed.

You're bad at EverQuest and you can't spell apologize correctly. You apologize.

[pickled_heretic]

.............lol.

Agi doesn't affect runspeed. You receive an AC penalty under 75 though, which is not good for a tank. Try to find a piece of gear with +5 agility quickly. Luckily it's one of the cheapest and most easily raised stats. This is why I never put points into agility on creation even if the character will start under 75.

actually getting a good buffer above 75 is not a bad idea, especially for the early levels when you may go encumbered carrying too much noob loot and drop below the 75 agi threshold.

spending creation points to do this is probably a waste though

moral of the story: buy a serpentine bracer, problem solved

[Hroth]

I don't think the OP was asking about run speed at all, but rather asking about the AC effects.

Having played a paladin in live classic with only 70 agility, it was always very frustrating to me making sure I was always using gear with at least +5 agility. I'd bite the bullet and start over with at least 5 points stuck into agility.

[Mardur]

You can use a piece of black pearl jewelry or a serp bracer or any number of items until you get Valorium Greaves (7 AGI). When you upgrade to Deepwater Greaves, those still have 7 AGI. That's your best in slot until Velious, and Velious gear has so many stats you won't have to worry about 5 points of AGI.

Don't waste starting points.

[Snaggles]

Like Mardur said, Serpentine bracers are stupid cheap. Not great gear but will hold you off until you can grab a decent piece of gear with 5agil and other stats/more AC.

That runspeed comment was pretty bad.

[Mardur]

Kassel I'm waiting for my apology.

[mitic]

Kassel I'm waiting for my apology.

he was rite to some degree. once ur health drops below 25ish% hp, AGI goes in neg numbers and once u reach 74and below you WILL start to crawl

[Diggles]

you start to crawl because you're fucking bleeding to death

[Diggles]

Its the same as what Mardur said. You're assuming that you're slowing to agility loss but the thing that's lowering agility has a movement speed side effect. If agility directly affected movement, wouldn't enchanter suffocate spells slow due to str and agi loss

[Mithaniel Marr]

If you follow the light young Paladin, then you have nothing to fear. I will watch over you.

[pickled_heretic]

Having an AGI buffer 20+ points above 75 also ensures that you don't lose a ton of AC when you dip below 30% hp.

once again, this can be accomplished with gear, but it's probably not a waste to spend a few points at the character creation screen if your race has low AGI.

[Kassel]

I am the first to admit when i am wrong, but i want to do some in game testing after work before I concede.

[Diggles]

If you follow the light young Paladin, then you have nothing to fear. I will watch over you.

dorf paladins worship brell, Marr is only for pure of heart humans

[Kika Maslyaka]

I am the first to admit when i am wrong, but i want to do some in game testing after work before I concede.

give yourself items that lowers your AGI by say 30-40 points, while still within weight limit - your run speed will not decrease.

You run speed will also drop when you fall below 10% hp, and so will AGI, but again AGI itself does not affect run speed in anyway

[Kassel]

Can we agree that the first decrease in run speed due to encumbrance happens once agility has been reduce below 75?

[Kika Maslyaka]

Can we agree that the first decrease in run speed due to encumbrance happens once agility has been reduce below 75?

No.

you trying to tie together 2 events which are no directly related.

What you saying is:

Encumbrance causes decrease of AGI, which then causes decrease of run speed.

this is NOT correct

What really happens is:

Encumbrance decreases AGI and Run Speed at the same time

Prove:

Have 200 AGi and 100 STR, then encumber yourself by extra 100lbs above 100 STR. Your run speed will decrease while AGI will still be well above 100

Also, lower your AGI below say 50 with negative items - your run speed will not decrease

[pickled_heretic]

Can we agree that the first decrease in run speed due to encumbrance happens once agility has been reduce below 75?

you can start with a character of 70 agility and run the same speed as anyone else. you can then /duel an enchanter who can cast a -50 agility spell on you and have a total of 20 agility and STILL run the same speed as anyone else.

i WISH having less than 75 agility acted as a snare. I could fear kite on my enchanter.

[lethdar]

Can we agree that the first decrease in run speed due to encumbrance happens once agility has been reduce below 75?

No, you're wrong, stop talking about things of which you know nothing about.

[lethdar]

Encumber yourself to 30 agility then go for a walk, then come back here and appologize.

I'm thinking you should probably apologize to reiker right about now.

[Kabilos]

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[Kassel]

My testing is complete, I concede i was wrong.

[Silentone]

^^ but you still haven't apologized =(

[azeth]

My testing is complete, I concede i was wrong.

I'm gonna need a pie chart for proof.

Or pie, i aint cur

[Kassel]

I'm gonna need a pie chart for proof.

Or pie, i aint cur

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