Best Aggro Weapons for low-mid level warriors (15-35)

[knottyb0y]

Hey

I am interested in hearing what fellow warriors feel are the best aggro weapons for the mid teens up to mid 30s. With Kunark in full swing I've seen quite a few weapons that are relatively cheap and have a decent ratio.

My Current Setup is
Primary: Goblin Skull Crusher (7/32 +6 sv cold proc: Stun (proc level 15)
Secondary: Obsidian Shard (6/25 proc: Obsidian Shatter Proc level 16)

I am particularly looking for better ratio weapons to compete with these monks and rogues with kunark weapons that are doing outrageous damage compared to my 6 and 7 damage weapons. With that said I just hit 15, so I have yet to experience the full proccing experience or frequency on the weapons.

[Samoht]

Yeah, I saw similar issues while leveling up here. The problem is that when you're undergeared, proccing weapons just don't seem to be enough. After the damage cap was gone (level 20), I switched to high damage weapons - particularly things like Brell's Keg Popper (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=2708), Shimmering Partisan (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=756), and Fist of Zek (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=148). Two-handers with moderate damage and low delay (Poison Wind Censer (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=551)) can also be quite effective. Wurmslayer (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=355) is the ultimate solution if it is affordable to you on P99.

Monk twinks with haste items are always going to pose a problem until they learn to FD evade. That's half the problem - people still think they're playing WoW where they can go all out with no consequences.

Using 2x SSoY (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=300) when it starts proccing at 37 is going to be a god send, but it's all up hill until then.

[pickled_heretic]

the monk weapons that are coming out of kunark are insane dps and they are very cheap for even a low-mid lvl twink to acquire. thankfully warriors have it pretty good as well. get yourself something like a sword of skyfire for a primary and maybe a cane of the tranquil for your second.

forget proccing at this level, just focus on doing as much damage as possible and burn the mobs down. even if your aggro isn't perfect it saves the cleric mana having to heal for longer.

[falkun]

Smoldering Brand (http://wiki.project1999.org/index.php/Smoldering_Brand) procs at L1, decent ratio, and drops like candy from the hole (so it should be relatively cheap to acquire).

Do note, however, that stun and debuff procs generate more aggro than simple DD or DoT procs. Therefore, the two weapons you have (stun for 1 proc and -AC for the other) are about as good as you can get until dual-stun SSoYs (http://wiki.project1999.org/index.php/Short_Sword_of_the_Ykesha) that start proccing at L37. The market for SSoYs has dropped dramatically even though their aggro is still great into the planar levels.

Not that I know a lot about warrior tanking, but the advice already provided looks decent.

[Samoht]

Yeah, the smoldering brand proc isn't that high aggro, and the dam/delay isn't as good as some of the other choices available. And it's still quite difficult to attain with prices fluctuating from 400p to 1400p.

(I recently had trouble finding one for a twink.)

[Nirgon]

The weps you are using ain't bad for your level. Ykeshan war clubs are a cheaper alternative to SSoYs I think, not sure on pricing SSoY vs club.

[Tamiah2011]

The weps you are using ain't bad for your level. Ykeshan war clubs are a cheaper alternative to SSoYs I think, not sure on pricing SSoY vs club.

did you forget earthshaker?

[Samoht]

Ykeshan war clubs are a cheaper alternative to SSoYs I think, not sure on pricing SSoY vs club.

YWC (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=114) doesn't proc until 40. I love how much lighter they are, too.

[Nirgon]

Didn't know they didn't proc until 40 but I seen em for 500pp. I think he could hold onto his 2 current weps until 40 and be safe and use his money elsewhere.

[falkun]

I'd prefer an SSOY over a YWC any day of the week. YWCs look like crappy newbie clubs, yaks look like kukris (http://luksavat.tripod.com/kukri.jpg).

[Nirgon]

YWC gets dat 1hb up for sarnak warhammer / ring mace of yk. Both expensive (one super expensive), but I feel he could hold onto the clubs till then, and certainly hold onto what he has until the clubs proc at 40.

[Extunarian]

I have a warrior I occasionally play on, right around your level. At 155 dex unbuffed I found it difficult to rely on those old world, lowbie proccing weapons. I tried out a poison wind censor and found it much easier to get and keep agro with.

If you are low on money though you should just get another obsidian shard. That proc seems to generate a lot more agro than the goblin skullcrusher. You should be fine once you can start landing ykesha procs.

[pickled_heretic]

I have a warrior I occasionally play on, right around your level. At 155 dex unbuffed I found it difficult to rely on those old world, lowbie proccing weapons. I tried out a poison wind censor and found it much easier to get and keep agro with.

If you are low on money though you should just get another obsidian shard. That proc seems to generate a lot more agro than the goblin skullcrusher. You should be fine once you can start landing ykesha procs.

that's the take from this story. forget proccing weapons, hold aggro as best as you can with damage. procs are always secondary to your overall dps as far as holding aggro, and on the plus side if you didn't hold aggro you at least do more damage which means the cleric has to heal less.

a poison wind censor is an excellent choice. a sword of skyfire and another weapon with a similar ratio would also be acceptable.

[Extunarian]

Also, if you can afford it, an FBSS will make your life much easier.

[Snaggles]

http://wiki.project1999.org/index.php/Sarnak_Battlehammer

Once you hit 20. A wurmslayer/something combo will blow it away from mid 30's to mid 40's but hey...400pp is hard to argue with.

Save your cash for ac/hp gear and some proccers when you need them a long ways down the road.

[Hamahakki]

2x Obsidian Shard is pretty much the best aggro you are going to get until 37.

[pickled_heretic]

2x Obsidian Shard is pretty much the best aggro you are going to get until 37.

that's assuming they proc. you'll get one fight with 8 procs and another fight with none. praying for a proc to save your cleric is pretty asinine.

i'd love to see this: 2 equal level warriors, one with lamentations, one with shards, competing for aggro. i can almost guarantee that the lamentations win 90% of the time.

[Nirgon]

You do have taunt in between procs. Casters should be smart enough to not go overboard. Holding agro from a very twinked rogue will be hard regardless. At a certain point it is up to the others in the group to cool out for a sec while the warriors gets a few hits in and to manage their agro intelligently from there.

[pickled_heretic]

You do have taunt in between procs.

Lol

and the lamentation warrior doesn't have taunt.

anyway, this thread isn't about group tactics with warriors. this is about a warrior that wants the biggest bang for his buck in terms of aggro management at lower levels. damage directly corresponds to aggro and is much more consistent then procs. doesn't get any simpler than that.

[Snaggles]

A 6/25 dagger with a junky little direct? Eff me.

How about a 6/24 with an enchanter 80dmg dot proc?
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=246

I mean, if you're Hell-bent on doing nil dps and praying for procs that is.

[Samoht]

A 6/25 dagger with a junky little direct? Eff me.

How about a 6/24 with an enchanter 80dmg dot proc?
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=246

I mean, if you're Hell-bent on doing nil dps and praying for procs that is.

There's no aggro component to the proc on Whip of Strangulation (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=246). If you're going for aggro, shard (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=676) >>>>>>> whip.

[Snaggles]

There's no aggro component to the proc on Whip of Strangulation (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=246). If you're going for aggro, shard >>>>>>> whip.

http://wiki.project1999.org/index.php/Choke

It's is weak debuff/dd/dot. It doesn't have the ac component like Obsidian Shatter but on a dmg basis I would think it would be better.

Shrug. I mean who knows. The idea of being level 30+ with 6/25 daggers is even sad for 1999 Classic.

[pickled_heretic]

enchanter spells are broken for aggro. shatter causes a lot of aggro, and it's probably more than choke, but choke would still cause quite a bit of aggro.

[Nirgon]

Lol

and the lamentation warrior doesn't have taunt.

anyway, this thread isn't about group tactics with warriors. this is about a warrior that wants the biggest bang for his buck in terms of aggro management at lower levels. damage directly corresponds to aggro and is much more consistent then procs. doesn't get any simpler than that.

Oh it's very true that he has taunt, but the procs really lock in the agro. Two procs (stuns) and you are golden + melee on 40ish mobs. Think I'd agree at lower levels if you straight up out weapon dmg/delay people its better. Kunark weps on fresh chars is ownage. Again, I think its up to what he can afford. Jasarth trident should be pretty cheap and does well. The wurmy is going to hit him pretty hard for $ as a new player I think. Hence, I'd just suggest he keep what he has and grab the cheap YK maces at 40 when mobs get a lil more meat to them.

[Samoht]

Yeah, I know what choke does, and having used both the whip and the shard, I can safely say that there's no extra aggro component to choke. The shard is great for snap aggro if/when it procs, and two of them gives a somewhat decent chance of proccing, but the damage is so poor that when it doesn't proc, the shard is almost worthless.

[Snaggles]

Yeah, I know what choke does, and having used both the whip and the shard, I can safely say that there's no extra aggro component to choke. The shard is great for snap aggro if/when it procs, and two of them gives a somewhat decent chance of proccing, but the damage is so poor that when it doesn't proc, the shard is almost worthless.

Thanks for the addl insight. I was going off spell descriptions which is much different than actual use.

[pickled_heretic]

Oh it's very true that he has taunt, but the procs really lock in the agro. Two procs (stuns) and you are golden + melee on 40ish mobs. Think I'd agree at lower levels if you straight up out weapon dmg/delay people its better. Kunark weps on fresh chars is ownage. Again, I think its up to what he can afford. Jasarth trident should be pretty cheap and does well. The wurmy is going to hit him pretty hard for $ as a new player I think. Hence, I'd just suggest he keep what he has and grab the cheap YK maces at 40 when mobs get a lil more meat to them.

like i've said before, sword of skyfire is 10/22 and runs you 500 plat max, probably a lot less or even free if you can pull off the poor undergeared warrior look. cane of the tranquil is maybe 200? and you're set until you can get the higher lvl weapons to proc.

for a little more you might be able to score a poison wind censer (1-2k) which is going to annihilate anyone else's dps unless they are well twinked.

[Snaggles]

like i've said before, sword of skyfire is 10/22 and runs you 500 plat max, probably a lot less or even free if you can pull off the poor undergeared warrior look. cane of the tranquil is maybe 200? and you're set until you can get the higher lvl weapons to proc.

for a little more you might be able to score a poison wind censer (1-2k) which is going to annihilate anyone else's dps unless they are well twinked.

^-- Great recs.

The perk of the PWC is you can roll with it from about lvl 1 to when it procs. Then it just becomes situational. It also trains up your 2hb for the Sarnak Hammer.

A good warrior should have a few different weapons at all times. Luckily these come cheap like the Silken Whip, etc.

[Vondra]

Fortunately at low levels when you're scrambling to keep mobs off of twinked melee, it isn't as big a deal since...well they're twinks. If some rogue with 100k worth of gear pulls agro off of you in oasis or something, he's probably sturdy enough to survive what the mobs you're fighting can dish out. Stuff should die pretty fast anyway.

Not optimum obviously, but not the end of the world either. Just do what you can. If it's a twinked monk, don't be adverse to just letting them go ahead and tank either. They're probably more tanky than you are if you've got a normal character working on gearing up. Switch to your best dps weapons in those cases and go with the flow.

[Hamahakki]

Lots of people hating on Obsidian Shard.

Go try it:

Shards > Whip of Strangulation and
Shards >>>>>> something without a proc like Lamentation

At 37 get two SSoY.

[pickled_heretic]

Lots of people hating on Obsidian Shard.

Go try it:

Shards > Whip of Strangulation and
Shards >>>>>> something without a proc like Lamentation

At 37 get two SSoY.

lmao. i grouped quite frequently with a twinked warrior from 20-40 who used two lamentations, we never had aggro issues, and we smashed through mobs. i wonder why?

[Snaggles]

Lots of people hating on Obsidian Shard.

Go try it:

Shards > Whip of Strangulation and
Shards >>>>>> something without a proc like Lamentation

At 37 get two SSoY.

I know this is a Miata vs Corvette discussion on price alone, but a Poison Wind Censer will let you do about twice the damage.

The downfall is you won't see sparkles. Frankly I'd ditch the group and get some bandages.

[Hamahakki]

lmao. i grouped quite frequently with a twinked warrior from 20-40 who used two lamentations, we never had aggro issues, and we smashed through mobs. i wonder why?

Because you were doing less damage that he was?

Agro proc weapons aren't for getting agro off people who are doing less damage than you, they are for people who are doing MORE damage.

If you are grouping with a very twinked rogue or monk, you won't be doing more damage than they will whether you have a Lamentation or Jade Mace or whatever twink warrior weapons.

Either you have agro proc weapons or you have a rogue tanking.

[Samoht]

Because you were doing less damage that he was?

Just FYI: aggro isn't based off of damage alone. The speed of the double Lammy, and I assume he had a haste item as well, would help.

Either you have agro proc weapons or you have a rogue tanking.

Unless the rogue is half aware of his class skills and uses evade on cool-down.

[Hamahakki]

Yes, it's not damage alone, also taunt exists, etc.

The point is that if you are going to be serious about agro you need to have procs.

[Samoht]

The point is that if you are going to be serious about agro you need to have procs.

Totally not true, and the shard is totally not the answer.

[pickled_heretic]

Because you were doing less damage that he was?


you want to find something out about aggro? don't ask a warrior. or a shadowknight or a paladin. ask one of the classes that has to deal with the effects of aggro. ask a healer, or ask a CC.

i main an enchanter, i don't "do damage." but you can bet that i know more about aggro than any other class on experience alone, except perhaps clerics.

i know what i saw. perhaps it was because they were more experienced and knew what they were doing. but without a doubt the warriors with high damage weapons were consistently holding aggro much better than the ones who were relying on procs. i've even had friends in my guild who were leveling up twinked warriors who had a pair of shards bagged because they thought they'd need them. their experience was the same. don't bother with the shards, they just slow down your rate of experience and their proc is not guaranteed by any means. often you have to wait 30 secs or more to get a proc.

[pickled_heretic]

something else that hasn't been brought up is that on average, kunark weapons are much better and deal much more damage than old world weapons. shards were great before kunark came out because old world weapons simply don't do very much damage. using a .7 dly:dam ratio weapon on a lvl 20 character was absolutely impossible in the old world but you can get one for about 1k here with kunark.

[Nirgon]

Price check lammy vs what I suggested.

[pickled_heretic]

Price check lammy vs what I suggested.

see the thread title and OP and quote me where we're talking about price.

[knottyb0y]

What great input!

As you have seen I already have a weak sauce proc setup, but I think i am going to put my hand into getting a Poison Wind Censor, maybe a lammy or two.

Has anyone tried dual wielding say a High Damage weapon (wurmslayer) and a proc weapon (Obsidian Shard)? If so, what kind of aggro would that generate?

In my experience on live there came a point where if I wasn't using excellent ratio weapons with aggro procs I would not have an easy time holding aggro over rogues, monks and shaman (slow). I'm having aggro problems with my warrior on p99, but none of my procs were ready yet. My warrior is fairly twinked out and can tank the shit outta stuff (I just have so much more AC and HP than everything I'm fighting at level 15) but it's useless when the rogue in my group is KILLING me in dps and holding aggro.

I feel like the 6dmg of the shard isn't going to hang with kunark equipped dps classes, but the proc may be the saving grace. The Goblin Skull Crusher has a nice aggro proc (not sure of the rate yet), but 7/32 is just too slow. My two hander is decent dps (26/50) but i swing so slow I lose aggro with that one too (this may change post 20).

I'm leaning towards a good ratio weapon with proccing aggro in offhand, that way I have both high dmg output and random procs for aggro lock.

[Extunarian]

If you are going to have one proccing weapon, put it in your main hand. Offhand proc rates are automatically cut in half.

If that is the direction you are going, put a wurmy in offhand for occasional big strikes. And honestly nothing I have seen (prior to 37) competes with Obsidian Shatter, so I'd recommend sticking with the shard over the skull crusher.


More on proc rates:

Since our dex cap is 255, main hand proc rate scales from 0.5PPM @ 0 DEX -> 2.0PPM @ 255 DEX.


Cut that in half for offhand.

[pickled_heretic]

proccing in the offhand is pretty pathetic, it's about half the normal proc rate even at high levels.

get a poison wind censer, it seriously is beast until it starts proccing and it is dirt cheap for how good it is. it's probably better dps than the lamentations until the low to mid 40's anyway.

[Samoht]

I think i am going to put my hand into getting a Poison Wind Censor

It's a great choice. I literally saw one for 750 (http://wiki.project1999.org/index.php/Poison_Wind_Censer) on Sunday. Glad it got logged.

shaman (slow)

Taunt is actually the way to handle that. Mob gets pulled to group, shaman slows and takes aggro, you taunt which gives you shaman aggro +1, suddenly you have a huge head start on everybody else in the group. Taunt is much more reliable at higher levels and against blue mobs than it is at low levels and against red mobs. Slow normally isn't even a requirement at your level.

I feel like the 6dmg of the shard isn't going to hang with kunark equipped dps classes, but the proc may be the saving grace. The Goblin Skull Crusher has a nice aggro proc (not sure of the rate yet), but 7/32 is just too slow. My two hander is decent dps (26/50) but i swing so slow I lose aggro with that one too (this may change post 20).

You are very right here. The damage on the shard is too low so that when it doesn't proc, it's pretty worthless. The GSC is too slow, and that 2h won't be very good until you're at least 20, but even then, it's kind of slow.

[Extunarian]

Lots of people hating on Obsidian Shard.
Shards >>>>>> something without a proc like Lamentation


Depends entirely on procs.

I did try this last weekend on a level 20 warrior with a 20 monk in group. With the shards I had agro maybe 30% of the time (dex 165). In fights where they proc on the first swing you hold agro the whole time, the problem is that is few and far between.

However using a poison wind censor I held agro for about 99% of the time, and even held agro against a shard-weilding 23 warrior who joined later, except of course on the rare occasions when they proc'd.

Think about it...even with fully twinked dex, below level 37 you're looking at maybe 170 dex with a shaman in group. That equates to ~1.5 procs per minute (both hands combined). In a good lowbie group you're killing 2-3 mobs per minute. You simply can't hope for procs on every mob, let alone at the beginning of the fight.