DDOS costs are going down

[stormlord]

Linked here:
http://www.blockdos.net/

Is this:
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/173702/with_botnets_everywhere_ddos_attacks_get_cheaper.h tml

Criminals have gotten better at hacking into unsuspecting computers and linking them together into so-called botnet networks, which can then be centrally controlled. Botnets are used to send spam, steal passwords, and sometimes to launch DDoS attacks, which flood victims' servers with unwanted information. Often these networks are rented out as a kind of criminal software-as-a-service to third parties, who are typically recruited in online discussion boards.

DDoS attacks have been used to censor critics, take down rivals, wipe out online competitors and even extort money from legitimate businesses. Earlier this year a highly publicized DDoS attack targeted U.S. and South Korean servers, knocking a number of Web sites offline.
DDoS attacks may have cost hundreds or even thousands of dollars per day a few years ago, but in recent months researchers have seen them going for bargain-basement prices.

Nazario has seen DDoS attacks offered in the US$100-per-day range, but according to SecureWorks Security Researcher Kevin Stevens, prices have dropped to $30 to $50 on some Russian forums.

Web 3.0 anyone? What's the solution? If software was run remotely on vast server farms and people's computers couldn't get infected, might this eliminate botnets (and piracy)? This kind of illicit activity will force the system to change, and it might change in ways many people won't like.

[FatMagic]

Makes me wonder... if the person launching a DDoS attack is hitting our servers, are they paying the $30-60 a day to do it? What joe-shmoe has the expendable cash to blow on DDoS attacks just get "lulz"? I just can't imagine wasting that much money per-day on something so stupid. I just don't get it.

And regarding the BlockDOS.net -- I wonder if we could use a service like that for the server and eliminate DDoS attacks? Looked like about $350 / year? Might be worth it if the community can get behind it.

[fastboy21]

the cost is to hire someone to do it for you...if you are tech savvy you can do it yourself for free.

ddos software is sketchy. if you noticed, for example, our current datacenter brags on its homepage that it employs ddos software...any one of us can see how effective it has been.

the only thing, imo, that really deters someone from doing these types of activities online is fear that they may get caught. The FBI DOES investigate ddos attacks...and it DOES have the technology and manpower to track someone down through the zombie IPs to a real person.

The odds, however, of the FBI using any resources on project1999 is slim. We do not "make money" so when our servers go down we aren't losing money---like real businesses do who go to the FBI. We aren't a government agency, nor do we provide some essential service for our clients.

We are a free game server. This puts us about as far down the food chain in terms of criminal activity as you can get. Our attacker, therefore, has no real fear of being caught...no matter how often or how uncleanly he launches the ddos.

The only hope we really have is to play a cat and mouse game with him...we increase our security...he increases his efforts to get though....

OR, we can only hope he comes to his senses and realizes that the people he is punishing are not the people he has an issue with. If Rogean closes down the project who loses?

Its the hundreds of players that built a meaningful community in cyberspace who are being hurt. If the ddos'er is reading the boards I hope you think about this for a little bit.

[Omnimorph]

Clearly the person responsible isn't rational, what's to be gained from doing this?

He/she will probably get tired and move on eventually.

[Eastwood]

Well said Fast Boy and omni.

I pretty much hope for the same right now

[Finawin]

You can't rationalize with irrational script kiddies raging out with undirected anger over them being spanked.

The bitch will move on sooner or later. The longer they keep it going, the more likely they'll be caught.

And I don't know about you, but I'd jerk off to the idea of them going to jail, or one of us finding who they are and where they live.

[Grento]

or one of us finding who they are and where they live.

So someone can do something stupid and go to jail for harassing some 14 year old kid? I guess you could tell their parents what he is doing but I doubt they would understand.

[Finawin]

No, but the government would and they would go to jail for a very long time.

The likelihood they are just some 14 year-old kid is not very high. While getting your hands on a botnet of infected zombies to initiate such an attack isn't particularly difficult, the chances it's some kid isn't likely.

It's also possible this guy isn't even related to eqemu at all. (though unlikely since we've already been hit by one of these faggots before, and they were someone banned)

[Grento]

No, but the government would and they would go to jail for a very long time.

The likelihood they are just some 14 year-old kid is not very high. While getting your hands on a botnet of infected zombies to initiate such an attack isn't particularly difficult, the chances it's some kid isn't likely.

It's also possible this guy isn't even related to eqemu at all. (though unlikely since we've already been hit by one of these faggots before, and they were someone banned)

I doubt they would go to jail for DDOSing an EQ emulation server. The feds would probably pass on the case unless it was a high profile or corporate target or unless they feel they can make an example out of this person, this means it would be passed down to state. Depending on the state(if this person is even in the US) and their case load, they would probably just plea out with probation. Hell, ask any DA in NY what a DDOS is and they will probably look at you like you are crazy. Not many people do time for ddos, I would love to see that change but it isn't taken as seriously as ID theft. at least from what I have seen.

[rsynweap84]

Oh his parents are just as guilty if its some kid, honestly I'd like to see his family murdered along with him in the news, but thats just my twisted, sick, sadistic mind....

[Grento]

Oh his parents are just as guilty if its some kid, honestly I'd like to see his family murdered along with him in the news, but thats just my twisted, sick, sadistic mind....

Over a game? yeah, that pretty sick and twisted =p

As much as I love EQ, I wouldn't wish death upon someone over pixels.

[rsynweap84]

Here are some unhappy fools with DDoS protection, tryin' to find more reviews...

http://www.talkgold.com/forum/r271566-.html

[Grento]

Here are some unhappy fools with DDoS protection, tryin' to find more reviews...

http://www.talkgold.com/forum/r271566-.html

wow, what a shady company.

[FatMagic]

Here are some unhappy fools with DDoS protection, tryin' to find more reviews...

http://www.talkgold.com/forum/r271566-.html

Yikes... stay away from them BlockDOS

[Bentheb]

looked like one person posting they got ripped off, and alot of sheep jumping in to me.

[Uaellaen]

man that forum has even more trolls then we do ...

i can also only see 1 butthurt female scam manager (think its called HYIP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-yield_investment_program)) and the rest of the people either jumping in the boat, or saying "its good service" ...

imho theres no evidence in the thread that blockdos is good or bad ...

[mgellan]

There's alternatives like these guys:

http://www.blacklotus.net/hosting/cloud/

They offer VM hosting - depends on what hardware the eqemu needs?

Regards,
Mg

[rsynweap84]

Yah lets not sell them short just yet, may have been a just a few unhappy ppls, but they still in business....or so it would seem...ya' have to succeed a little to stay in business right? Maybe? Tryin' to find good reviews lol, but I think only way to get a clear picture might be seein some of the bad ones too...just gotta find them good ones....if they exists...

[stormlord]

What stood out for me was the idea that the offending person(s) can use botnets to bring down networks. If you think about it, they've essentially invaded the host systems like a virus, and use them to overwhelm a network. So how do you ultimately defend against that? I don't know enough about this to make a judgement on that, but it seems to me that it would be difficult.

I hope the person(s) doing the DDOSing will just move on. It's a pointless fight at this stage. You've made your point. Stop being a bully. Admins on this server have to make choices. Some of those won't be good choices. But somebody has to make them. You can't expect admins to be perfect and understand things without error. If no one made choices, especially the kind that are final, then nothing would get done. Get over it!

If the attacks keep going on, I hope something can be done about it, but it doesn't look good to me. If this person or persons wants to cripple the network, I don't think it can be stopped. I don't know that, but I suspect that much. The previous hosts said they could stop it and it was not true. So...

And for fun, for those who haven't seen it, my favorite remix:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JImcvtJzIK8

[Dangergirl]

Nah murder is too much, a good breaking of the hands "Casino" style is a just punishment for the crime.

Making his parents watch and then have to spoon feed him for the next few months would be just about perfect as well.

[Dangergirl]

On the "He will move along" topic, No Fing Way, not until there is not one post about it on these forums....

Come to think of it, I am super confident the DDoser is trolling these forums enjoying the trouble he has caused, since not that many peeps from p99 actually come here perhaps we could use that to ID him?

[Bones]

Nah murder is too much, a good breaking of the hands "Casino" style is a just punishment for the crime.

Making his parents watch and then have to spoon feed him for the next few months would be just about perfect as well.

Vouch. Breaking his fingers, all of them, would make me a happy panda.

As for him moving on, it doesn't really matter because all it takes is any other basement dwelling sack of shit to get upset.
We will never be able to make everybody happy.
Some douchebag hacker will always be upset when he gets caught and banned for doing something he wasn't supposed to.
The only real way to prevent this from happening again is to get the server protected. ( Which hopefully the new server will be. )

[atvaata]

im kinda down with the whole curb-stomping thing.

[Allizia]

Makes me wonder... if the person launching a DDoS attack is hitting our servers, are they paying the $30-60 a day to do it? What joe-shmoe has the expendable cash to blow on DDoS attacks just get "lulz"? I just can't imagine wasting that much money per-day on something so stupid. I just don't get it.

I've spent $5,000-$10,000 in one night at a club, money means very little to those that have it and $60 doesn't even qualify as pocket change to some. I'm not justifying the attacks, but it's probably some little prick with his daddies credit card that got his feelings hurt, I doubt we will be saved by his lack of funds as cheap as DDoSing is.

[jkfranklin]

Makes me wonder... if the person launching a DDoS attack is hitting our servers, are they paying the $30-60 a day to do it? What joe-shmoe has the expendable cash to blow on DDoS attacks just get "lulz"? I just can't imagine wasting that much money per-day on something so stupid. I just don't get it.

And regarding the BlockDOS.net -- I wonder if we could use a service like that for the server and eliminate DDoS attacks? Looked like about $350 / year? Might be worth it if the community can get behind it.
its really rogean launching ddos on his own server then you guys donate all the money to him when the server is down. Rinse and repeat and your up a couple grand easy.

[JayDee]

its really rogean launching ddos on his own server then you guys donate all the money to him when the server is down. Rinse and repeat and your up a couple grand easy.

I'd imagine even joking about that is not Kosher broskiheiminator

[JayDee]

honestly I'd like to see his family murdered along with him in the news

Tell us how you really feel

Don't hold back

[Finawin]

its really rogean launching ddos on his own server then you guys donate all the money to him when the server is down. Rinse and repeat and your up a couple grand easy.

Lol you're so retarded it hurts to read your drivel.

[jilena]

Lol you're so retarded it hurts to read your drivel.

On these forums it's "dribble" not "drivel" omgz.

[Finawin]

Lol I forgot, who said that? I remember reading it.