Saw an interesting conversation in EC about Druids.

[Flash]

Was on my monk sitting in the tunnel and caught wind of an interesting argument between some people on shout and ooc regarding a Druid and their desirability in high-level parties.

Is it true that they're usually not wanted in a group past 35? People are saying that the only worth they typically have in a group, or are wanted for, is ports, and nothing else. I can't really buy that seeing as they have so many other things they can do (ds, heal, root, crowd control, buffs, damage), but that's what people in EC are saying. I didn't want to jump in on their convo because I don't really know enough about the class to put forth my two cents in front of a major audience, but is this true? Are Druids really looked down on at high levels? I was under the impression that most groups like having a player that can do a lot of things, not just all players that can only do one role.

[Flunklesnarkin]

Idk.. about the perfect ideal group set up

I usually just group with anybody heh


I know some groups want you to submit an application first tho xD

[Diggles]

When I want stimulating discussion I always go to ec tunnel because i'm sure to get 100% unbiased opinions there

[GETINMYVAN]

Was on my monk sitting in the tunnel and caught wind of an interesting argument between some people on shout and ooc regarding a Druid and their desirability in high-level parties.

Is it true that they're usually not wanted in a group past 35? People are saying that the only worth they typically have in a group, or are wanted for, is ports, and nothing else. I can't really buy that seeing as they have so many other things they can do (ds, heal, root, crowd control, buffs, damage), but that's what people in EC are saying. I didn't want to jump in on their convo because I don't really know enough about the class to put forth my two cents in front of a major audience, but is this true? Are Druids really looked down on at high levels? I was under the impression that most groups like having a player that can do a lot of things, not just all players that can only do one role.


In the ideal group, to maximize EXP, you want classes that can do what they do better than anyone else. Druids dont do that. Clerics heal better, Wizards nuke harder, Necros DoT harder, Shamans buff better. Does this mean you will NEVER get a group after level 35? No, but it does mean that if theres a group wanting to fill a DPS spot theyre going to probably pick the wizard/mage over you, or if they're looking for a healer they will pick the cleric over you.

[Slave]

The level range at which druids basically become useless to experience groups may be higher but the gist of the conversation is pretty much spot on.

Druids are as poor healers as shamans at high levels but without mitigatingly useful spells like slow and buffs. If you wanted to heal for a group in KC, for instance, you'd use your entire mana bar within about 60 seconds., which does not equal sustainable experience.

It's not so much that druids do things worse than everyone else, that everyone else can actually contribute to an exp group and druids cannot.

[Flash]

So Superior Heal isn't any good then? It's either CH or nothing?

Don't any groups prefer versatility over specialization though?

[Waffen]

it's half true. there are classes who can do most the stuff druids can and they do it better to boot. it isn't that hard to find a group as a druid at the higher levels. if you're really worried about it, make friends with a tank and form your own groups. tbh though, it's far better xp to solo as a druid in the higher levels.

quadding spirocs at lvl 50 in TD i was yielding about a blue bub in xp every pull. i don't care how kick ass the group is, you can't beat that rate. the only time i group as a druid is if i'm getting bored of soloing, or if i want a shot as some phat lewtz.


TL;DR it isn't that hard to find a group as a druid 35+

[Awwalike]

why group when you can so low?

[Snaggles]

They can't CH, slow, haste, and only can ghetto cc with root. For this reason while a good group can roll with a Druid most min-maxers would rather have a cleric or Shammy (or both). Druids can dps but it's not the best unless animal charming.

Basically a Druid can be a fine healer but it requires talented/open-minded (or perhaps reckless) people in tough camps and the right supporting classes. For a class that can solo blindfolded to 60 it seems rather pointless to fuss though. They can also duo with a tank just fine for duo/trio work on grind mobs.

You can find pages on Druid dynamics by searching these forums.

Edit: I forgot to mention the lack of canni. Next expansion they get a 1k heal which make them a great supporting healer on raids for dps/casters.

[Vondra]

What you heard is true, druids are usually pretty bad in single group 6 man content and will be usually looked over in LFG situations.

Groups want Tank/Cleric/CC/DPS/DPS/DPS. At high levels a druid isn't replacing the cleric, and the bard or chanter can CC just fine in any level appropriate area in a 6 man group right up to level 60 without any "help" from druid rooting/snaring etc. A 6 man group doesn't need backup heals either, because if they need backup heals it's because they are either playing pulls poorly, pulled mobs too high level, or (more likely) because they had a backup healer instead of a 3rd person DPSing. The only real exception you'll see is groups replacing one of the DPS with a Shaman, because slow is so powerful (In fact slow alone, is better than the entire druid class), their buffs also don't clash with cleric buffs like druid buffs do.

Note there is no place for a druid's utility in a 6 man group. This is because Tanks can do all the tanking, clerics can do all the healing, and Bards/Enchanter can do all of the CCing.



They're quite good at duoing with certain classes hwoever.

Play to the class's strengths. It's a good first toon to get to high level to get cash together. Then you have a port mule besides to go buy/sell in EC, port your friends/potential groupmates around with etc.

[Felwithemagi]

The price you pay for choosing a jack-of-all-trades class. GETINMYVAN summarized it best.

[Flash]

I see the Druid as a specialist, not a jack-of-all-trades. That role goes to Bards.

Well, I'm planning to roll a Druid in a week or two, so if it's hard to get groups later, how is their solo ability in Plane of Fear, specifically against Gorgons (or any mob except Shiverbacks)? Gorgons are what drop Druid planar armor and I'm assuming I probably won't have a guild by then if I manage to get that high.

[Snaggles]

I see the Druid as a specialist, not a jack-of-all-trades. That role goes to Bards.

Well, I'm planning to roll a Druid in a week or two, so if it's hard to get groups later, how is their solo ability in Plane of Fear, specifically against Gorgons (or any mob except Shiverbacks)? Gorgons are what drop Druid planar armor and I'm assuming I probably won't have a guild by then if I manage to get that high.

It doesn't matter how you see them, these are pretty accurate perspectives. A specialist is someone well trained in a specific area. Doctors have an education specialized in medicine. A Rogue is a specialist in dps and subterfuge.

Yes they solo great in fear. Please make a vid of your solo adventure once you ding 46.

[Flash]

Yes they solo great in fear. Please make a vid of your solo adventure once you ding 46.

Something tells me you're being sarcastic.

[Snaggles]

Something tells me you're being sarcastic.

I was dead serious. Please make a vid.

[GETINMYVAN]

Bards are a jack of all trades.

Druids are a jack of most trades.

Bards will get picked for a group over a Druid 9.9 times out of 10 because of their ability to CC and buff blows Druids out of the water.

I'll make it real simple and sum all of it up.

Do you want a character that can solo, is versatile, is sought after by groups, and has raiding potential at the high end? Play a Bard.

Do you want a character that can solo, is somewhat versatile, can port, but does not have any group or raid potential? Play a Druid.

As much as you want it to be different, this is how it is. Don't be surprised if you play a Druid and find your self soloing the majority of the way to 60. They're still a great class and lots of fun, but they just server a different purpose in this game.

[Waffen]

Play to the class's strengths. It's a good first toon to get to high level to get cash together. Then you have a port mule besides to go buy/sell in EC, port your friends/potential groupmates around with etc.

This. Fairly easy to make cash as a druid between ports and soloing the mobs with pockets fulla change. Once you get high enough you can also quad seafuries which is $$$$.

disclaimer: you may or may not piss people off with the quadding SFs. depends on how many people are on the island killin' along side ya. best bet would be to do this during off-peak hours.

[Flash]

I'm not really worried about soloing, that's what I prefer to do most of the time anyway. I'm fine with that.

What I'm worried about is being able to acquire my Planar and Raid armor (since most groups won't want me and I likely won't be able to solo content that difficult). Short of finding a guild, what am I going to do at that point?

[GETINMYVAN]

Not sure why you would be against finding a decent guild. If you find a guild and make some friends, you will progress with no problem on project 1999. You may not be at the cutting edge getting the top tier raid armor, but realistically only a small percentage of the server is.

Really, if you want to play a Druid then more power to you, play what you think is fun, join a guild and make some friends. It's not like they would say "No, we're friends and all but you can't come to Fear with us because you're a Druid." Druid is a completely viable class, just not optimal like some others.

[Flash]

Not sure why you would be against finding a decent guild. If you find a guild and make some friends, you will progress with no problem on project 1999. You may not be at the cutting edge getting the top tier raid armor, but realistically only a small percentage of the server is.

Really, if you want to play a Druid then more power to you, play what you think is fun, join a guild and make some friends. It's not like they would say "No, we're friends and all but you can't come to Fear with us because you're a Druid." Druid is a completely viable class, just not optimal like some others.

It's not that I'm against a guild, it's that I don't think one that does Fear regularly will want a player like me. I'm going to be searching for one at a higher level, but I dunno, kinda worried I won't be able to find one at all that wants to help me with progression.

[Zigfreed]

I suggest just playing the game man.. No offense but you started what, 2 weeks ago and have more posts than minutes actually played it seems. Plus 3/4 of them are regarding things you could find using 20 keystrokes on google. Aaand in this case you are asking for folks opinions and then say that you don't think that's how it is. If you've already made your mind up why the heck are you asking?

People who can't ever seem to help themselves get old really fast.

[GETINMYVAN]

It's not that I'm against a guild, it's that I don't think one that does Fear regularly will want a player like me. I'm going to be searching for one at a higher level, but I dunno, kinda worried I won't be able to find one at all that wants to help me with progression.

I think you're overestimating how hard Fear is at this stage in the game.

[Flash]

I suggest just playing the game man.. No offense but you started what, 2 weeks ago and have more posts than minutes actually played it seems. Plus 3/4 of them are regarding things you could find using 20 keystrokes on google. Aaand in this case you are asking for folks opinions and then say that you don't think that's how it is. If you've already made your mind up why the heck are you asking?

People who can't ever seem to help themselves get old really fast.

Way to completely misinterpret the situation.

[Messianic]

EQ wasn't made with the idea that all classes can contribute equally to a group, the way WoW/Rift/Etc were all made. There are classes that are much worse for groups than others. I personally think druids are a little better than their reputation - thorns is actually a decent amount of dps, and in a lot of cases there are animals around to charm (although not really in high-end places like HS/Seb/KC [unless i'm not remembering some great animal mob in those zones]). Velious is loaded with powerhouse animals to charm.

For example, wizards suck in groups. Worse than druids. I play one, i've done the math, and I'll tell you - you're better off having just about any other class in most circumstances. We can be kinda handy for healer mobs, but chanters/bards/mages are better.

A wizard in your group is this:

Without clarity: 20 mana per tick, 200 mana per minute with meditate + 20 mana per minute with harvest (200 mana every 10 minutes) = 220 mana per minute. With the draught line from level 51-57, your dmg/1 pt of mana ratio is 3.2. This means for 220 mana per minute, you deal 704 damage. Thats about 12 dps. Even same-level rangers who do nothing but turn on autoattack are leaving you in the dust.

But what if i'm a level 60 wizard with sunstrike? Well, the dmg/mana ratio is 3.58888... which yields about 13-14 dps over the course of the group.

Let's say you have c2 the entire time, netting 310+20 mana per minute with harvest. That means at 60, with c2, you're running about 20 dps. Might as well have a mage with a buffed water pet who does nothing but assist and send the pet and saves all his mana for mod rods and emergencies. I think the mage's 50+ fire pets, who are pieces of garbage, might be slightly higher dps than a wizard, but I haven't run the numbers.

The more effective your group is, the more useless the wizard becomes in comparison. Raids are entirely different.

[Zigfreed]

Just offering advice that I knew you wouldn't take. /shrug

[Snaggles]

Since there are probably more druids (or monks) than the sks, pallies, and rangers combined THAT is the problem with getting into a raiding guild. Not that it's impossible, just more difficult than a bard, chanter, etc.

The best way to get groups and a good guild is to have a rep for knowing how to play the class well.

I honestly think you enjoy the game and have good intentions. Until you really see the end of the levels with some of these classes it's hard to wrap your mind around the dynamic. It might be wise to search and listen more than telling everyone your thoughts on a class that you don't understand quite yet.

[Flash]

I think you're overestimating how hard Fear is at this stage in the game.

*shrug* I've asked, and people have told me that landing snares/DoTs and kiting any mob other than Shiverbacks is damn near impossible for a 50 Druid, especially Gorgons (which are what drop Druid armor).

[GETINMYVAN]

My post wasn't so much about soloing fear, but more about the fact that you don't need the perfect group combination to do it at this stage in the game.

It's been a long, long time since I've been in Fear. Probably 10 years at least. But from what I remember the aggro radius on the mobs in Fear is *huge* and the Zone is very crowded with mobs. I honestly don't think any Druid could solo it effectively. If you try to solo Fear you're probably going to end up with a massive train and a corpse run.

[Flash]

I won't be seeing any elitist perfectionists in Fear?

[Versus]

From what I remember leveling from 45-60, if a druid was in my group, I was not happy with said group. (As far as exp efficiency is concerned.)

[Flash]

From what I remember leveling from 45-60, if a druid was in my group, I was not happy with said group. (As far as exp efficiency is concerned.)

Gee, thanks for making the class look good in teamplay...

[GETINMYVAN]

I'll offer one more piece of advice.

Decide what makes this game fun for you.

At the end of the day, this is a game, we play it because it's fun. What makes the game fun is different for everyone.

Are you able to play the game and have fun exploring, killing and soloing without having the absolute best in slot item equipped in every slot?

Druid will be a fine class for you. They can solo effecitvely at all levels, and can even do so without any gear at all. Items are not a crutch for the class, and they only serve to make what they do a little easier.

Do you need the absolute best item in every slot, plus grouping/raiding in the highest end zones in the game? Don't play a Druid.

From what I understand, you're fairly new here. Druid is never a bad idea for someone new, much like a Necromancer. If you level the Druid up, get level 60, you'll find it no problem to get the platinum you need to properly equip another character that is perfect for grouping/raiding the end game. But if you feel the need to get level 60 ASAP and start farming ph4t l3wtz and raiding VP, I fear you're wasting your time with the Druid.

[Vondra]

*shrug* I've asked, and people have told me that landing snares/DoTs and kiting any mob other than Shiverbacks is damn near impossible for a 50 Druid, especially Gorgons (which are what drop Druid armor).

Unless you're talking about rolling on the pvp server, the level cap here is 60.

Also, you don't need to be in a high end guild to clear fear and hate plane at this point with the lev 60 cap. I'd imagine any guild that fields a good amount of people lev 51+ is clearing both at least sometimes. Even if they don't have enough on, people have alts/friends elsewhere that want to tag along.

[Flash]

Druid is gonna be my money-maker. I don't expect to have the absolute best equipment, but I do want equipment that would at least be GOOD ENOUGH to raid with if I found a guild that did so regularly and could tag along with their core group.

[Diggles]

NON-TROLL RESPONSE FROM DIGGLES WOW

AFAIK druid recruitment is extremely low on the top two guilds, who are the ones actually nailing content. If you want a money maker, a bard kiter, pet class (this is less efficient after the exp nerf), or enchanter charm killing would be your best bet.

[Flunklesnarkin]

I usually group with anybody.. but i can tell you today.. i seen a lot of druids lfg..

ended up grouped with 3 druids in same group at one point. (and im a cleric)

[Wayfarin]

Ok Question for you all. Friends play a bard and a warrior, we are levelling together.
Is my druid going to be fine healing them at higher levels (14 at the moment) Or is it actually going to go a lot slower?

I'm seeing the bard as being on slow duty.
I can't see a huge mana efficiency difference between Clerics and Druids, unless you are just going to rock out 1 CH a battle and ride on that?

Looking over the spell lists it doesnt look like things will start to change until 40s (shaman have canni and clerics have CH).
Thoughts? I'm not HUGE on what class I play really. thought druid would be good with bard, giving us the ability to kite, but I don't want us to be feeble in tanking situations at higher end.

[Diggles]

Bards are complete utility. Regen, Clarity, Melee chant, movement, all of that.

Druids are *ok* healers, clerics will always be top but you can make due, it's just going to require a lot more med periods.

[Diggles]

The thing is about druids, they do a bunch of things, they just dont excel at them (except some buffs). They'll never dps as hard as a wiz, they'll never heal as good as a cleric, and they'll never be able to kite as well as a bard/wiz-(dunno if this is true, I never have quadded on a wizard)

[Flash]

The thing is about druids, they do a bunch of things, they just dont excel at them (except some buffs). They'll never dps as hard as a wiz, they'll never heal as good as a cleric, and they'll never be able to kite as well as a bard/wiz-(dunno if this is true, I never have quadded on a wizard)

So why does everyone think this makes them bad? Versatility beats specialization in a lot of cases, especially in a game like this. It's not just specialize or solo, there's room for unique snowflakes too.

[Diggles]

Because there are other classes that have more versatility. A group will take a bard over a druid because it can provide the druid's half and more. I'm pretty sure a bard can even out dps a druid while twisting

[Flash]

You should just come out and say it then, that the Druid is the absolute worst class in classic. Just say it and stop pussyfooting; I know you want to.

[Taminy]

You should just come out and say it then, that the Druid is the absolute worst class in classic. Just say it and stop pussyfooting; I know you want to.

Ranger.

[Flunklesnarkin]

You should just come out and say it then, that the Druid is the absolute worst class in classic. Just say it and stop pussyfooting; I know you want to.

I think you have the wrong attitude about the game lol


Play what you have fun with.... if all you care about is the numbers in a mmo then you miss the point of the games story.

[Flash]

Ranger.

High-level rangers wipe the floor with most classes in terms of raw DPS and versatility. Try again.

[Diggles]

You should just come out and say it then, that the Druid is the absolute worst class in classic. Just say it and stop pussyfooting; I know you want to.

I could never call something worse than a ranger.

[Diggles]

High-level rangers wipe the floor with most classes in terms of raw DPS and versatility. Try again.

Okay, are you trolling ME now?

[Taminy]

High-level rangers wipe the floor with most classes in terms of raw DPS and versatility. Try again.

Lawl.

[socialist]

Is it true that they're usually not wanted in a group past 35

Druids have no place in the optimal group setup, but since they're pretty versatile and few groups are optimal, druids are alright for most things. The less perfect the group, the better a druid fits in due to their versatility. People who are doing something very challenging or have the luxury of picking any class for their group probably won't want/need a druid.

[Flash]

Druids have no place in the optimal group setup, but since they're pretty versatile and few groups are optimal, druids are alright for most things. The less perfect the group, the better a druid fits in due to their versatility. People who are doing something very challenging or have the luxury of picking any class for their group probably won't want/need a druid.

Optimal groups can be more than 6 specialist. It doesn't HAVE to be one tank, one healer, one crowd control and 3 damage dealers. Versatility has its place in min-maxing.

[Diggles]

I'm sigging this.

Also, there are no limits in min maxing, since it's for raiding.

[Flash]

Whatever, you can do what you want Diggles, but the evidence and the numbers support my claims and my arguments. That and Rangers have the added advantage of not relying on gear nearly as much as a Warrior or Monk.

http://images.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/9440208.jpg

[Taminy]

Optimal groups can be more than 6 specialist. It doesn't HAVE to be one tank, one healer, one crowd control and 3 damage dealers. Versatility has its place in min-maxing.

I would agree than cleric/tank/cc/3 dps isn't the best group.

I'd actually say it's cleric/tank/cc/backup healer/2 dps. But shaman are a much better backup healer than druids - as was already pointed out. On the other hand when I was leveling to 60 (I'm a warrior), I never turned down druids for groups unless we had 2 or 3 healers already. I was never into forming absolutely perfect groups. I think those people tend to spend too much time LFG only to log off or they have cleric/warrior/monk/enchanter/rogue/rogue then die because of a bad pull or respawn and the cleric can't heal the tank and the enchanter at the same time.

However, I did a lot of duoing from 51-60 with my shaman friend which was faster xp than any group - and when we invited a druid along for a trio, the experience was god awful...

[Diggles]

you're honestly one of the stupidest people i have met on these forums if you think Rangers are the best dps.

Like, you make Visage look like a rocket scientist. I mained a ranger on Live and I dont even believe you.

[Slave]

From 45-60, druids simply do not have a place in exp groups.

Did you see what the guy said about wizards? Now imagine a really crappy wizard that does much less than that.

Did you see what I said about healing? 1 minute of experience for 10 minutes of meditation does not equal an imperfect experience group. It equals a group wipe or a group leaving.

[Flash]

you're honestly one of the stupidest people i have met on these forums if you think Rangers are the best dps.

Like, you make Visage look like a rocket scientist. I mained a ranger on Live and I dont even believe you.

I never gave much credit to your intelligence, so that doesn't surprise me. But if you disagree that Rangers are one of the best damage dealers in the game, you are beyond stupid.

[GETINMYVAN]

Do believe you're mistaken bro.

Rangers, at least as far as I remember, didn't start out dpsing even Warriors until around Luclin, and even then it required the best gear available to them. The guild I was in had 1 raiding Ranger and we only brought him along for whatever that disc was they had that made them basically unkillable for 15 or so seconds to give our Warrior enough time to build up aggro.

I could be wrong, but this is what I remember raiding Classic/Kunark/Velious on Veeshan server.

Did some research and yeah, Rangers didn't even start popping up on the DPS charts until Endless Quiver+Trueshot, and as far as I know it was a *long* time before they ever even came close to Rogues, so in this version of the game, Rangers are still pretty much shit for DPS. Even in the utility department they don't have much going for them, and there are other classes that can do it much better than they can.

[Diggles]

You legitimately believe this?

[Diggles]

Rangers are the worst class because of many things.

1, they can pull great dps, this also leads to fucking retarded amounts of hate and they cant tank

2, this retarded amount of hate = cannot dps to full extent or they die

3, worst hybrid, druid + warrior = squishy jack of no trades

4, they're used as trackbots

[Flash]

You legitimately believe this?

He sees reason and has done the research. More than I can say for you.

You know what, I'm just gonna move to Red99. Seeya guys, look for Foxhound somewhere in EC.

[Zigfreed]

I disagree as well not that you listen to anything people say no matter how many facts they produce. Rangers are nearly complete crap (with teeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeentsy tiny niche roles they excel in, sorta) in classic but you go on living in that fantasy.
When you and your 48 alts finally hit raid levels (in 2014) and you are wondering why no guilds desire you? Yeah it's because they think you are ignorant and irritating.

[Diggles]

He sees reason and has done the research. More than I can say for you.

You know what, I'm just gonna move to Red99. Seeya guys, look for Foxhound somewhere in EC.

Thank the Gods, stick to people with your level of intelligence.

[Moggster]

Rangers are the worst class because of many things.

1, they can pull great dps, this also leads to fucking retarded amounts of hate and they cant tank

2, this retarded amount of hate = cannot dps to full extent or they die

3, worst hybrid, druid + warrior = squishy jack of no trades

4, they're used as trackbots

idk much about #4 but playing as a ranger main on live for 3 years i agree with 1-3.

Flash if you think rangers are that good roll 1 and get trolled even harder. rangers are a joke srsly... they are niche. if you think they are top dps you on some REALLY good f'in drugs

He sees reason and has done the research. More than I can say for you.

You know what, I'm just gonna move to Red99. Seeya guys, look for Foxhound somewhere in EC.

GL bro, dont forget the KY blue won't miss you...

[Flash]

Thank the Gods, stick to people with your level of intelligence.

So far this server seems to have a higher maturity level then P99's community. Rogean did good here.

[GETINMYVAN]

You legitimately believe this?

Actually, my post pretty much stated that Rangers are garbage...:)

[Flash]

Okay, it's not fun anymore. I've been trolling you guys since day 1. I applaud Diggles for catching on to it, but this doesn't entertain me anymore. Thanks for the lulz guys.

Off to Red99 and the PvP forum now. :D

[Moggster]

Okay, it's not fun anymore. I've been trolling you guys since day 1. I applaud Diggles for catching on to it, but this doesn't entertain me anymore. Thanks for the lulz guys.

Off to Red99 and the PvP forum now. :D

and to think it only took you 178 posts to troll a few hundred ppl playing a 12 year old game! GRATS? /boggle

[Flash]

and to think it only took you 178 posts to troll a few hundred ppl playing a 12 year old game! GRATS? /boggle

The funny thing is Diggles knew it all along, but never tried to convince anyone. He just let everyone shoot themselves in the foot while I left my stink in the community.

[Diggles]

It's a racial trait. Elves get ultravision, trolls get detect trolls

[Flunklesnarkin]

The funny thing is Diggles knew it all along, but never tried to convince anyone. He just let everyone shoot themselves in the foot while I left my stink in the community.

You did provide me amusement... although i do feel sympathy for you because of your lack of knowledge of how the internet works.

I see you seem quite pleased at your perceived "stink on the community" lol


You must be young or new to the internet... because most people realize... what you say on the internet doesn't mean squat....

your thread will be long forgotten in a week ;p

enjoy the red server :D

[Flash]

It's a racial trait. Elves get ultravision, trolls get detect trolls

Yours must be at 200 then. <3

[Diggles]

I thought people would remember me after my impersonation of diggle

[Flash]

You did provide me amusement... although i do feel sympathy for you because of your lack of knowledge of how the internet works.

I see you seem quite pleased at your perceived "stink on the community" lol


You must be young or new to the internet... because most people realize... what you say on the internet doesn't mean squat....

your thread will be long forgotten in a week ;p

enjoy the red server :D

And that's fine. I got my amusement out of it. I'm satisfied.

[Flunklesnarkin]

I was fairly certain he was a poopsock or a troll just because of the amount of crap threads he made lol

[Diggles]

I will say though, admitting you're a troll is the last thing you should ever do. I've never full out said it

[Flash]

I will say though, admitting you're a troll is the last thing you should ever do. I've never full out said it

Yeah, I know, but I had my fun here and it was fairly obvious I wasn't going to get much further in my endeavor. Best to go out in a blaze of glory, I always say.

[Diggles]

Or you can be like me and fester for multiple months after the big breakout

[Flunklesnarkin]

Trolls of Scandinavian Mythology: another Troll, internet troll & forum troll Once upon a time, evil dwarfs were living in hills, forests and mounds. They were stumpy, misshapen, humpbacked, with a long nose, long hair and a long tail. Trolls were inclined to thieving, and fond of carrying off children. They would substitute one of their own offspring for that of a human mother. They were called "hill-people", and they were especially averse to noise, from a recollection of the time when god Thor used to fling his hammer after them. Not all trolls were evil!. Some trolls were helping people. Some trolls were only playing games. But, evil trolls were the one that kids were most afraid of. Some trolls were small, other were giants.



The more you know~~~~ *Rainbow*

[Flash]

Or you can be like me and fester for multiple months after the big breakout

By then people will have forgotten about me, and then I can fester again.

Or come back with a new name.

[socialist]

Until AAs, there's nothing that makes rangers great DPS. They melee like a rogue who doesn't backstab, and their nukes are really weak and they can't keep up casting them with any kind of regularity in a long fight or chain-pull scenario. There exist no mechanics or ranger-only items that would somehow make them top DPS. They're around warrior DPS as warrior crits pretty much equal the ranger's spell damage. In Kunark they get access to a 2hb that's like 5% better to the comparable weapons available to other melee classes, but this is only relevant until epics. By this time, all the pure melees have disciplines that blow a ranger out of the water and can generally be saved for the important fights. Rangers then get trueshot disc in Velious, but this isn't that much of a DPS boost, rather it allows them to do DPS on par with their melee output but from long range. Ranger DPS is extremely average.

[Messianic]

If you want a money-making character, you're better off with a necro/chanter/shaman...

[Tiggles]

People seriously think this guy is not a troll? I smelled him out on page one come on people.

[Vondra]

Do people call themselves trolls now for asking normal newbie questions and getting responses?

[Snaggles]

Who trolls for hundreds of posts? I am certain this guy is just as damn stupid (if not more) than he has hinted at.

In the slim chance he's a fucking genius who gets off on acting retarded I don't know if that's much of a better case.

[Flash]

In the slim chance he's a fucking genius who gets off on acting retarded I don't know if that's much of a better case.

Why would you say that? My boundless intelligence is being contributed to a worthy cause.

[pickled_heretic]

no way he's a troll. he really did have all of those toons, he really did get handed a sword of the morning. he really does have his blacksmithing up to whatever skill. this is just to save face.

[Aicha]

Didn't read through the entire conversation, but will throw my 2copper in, FWIW.

I played a druid well into the 50s back in the day (stopped as Luclin came out), and have a secondary character druid now that just hit level 30. I had some planar armor, but only because I was guilded. If you want the high-end stuff, you're going to need to find a guild that suits your personality and join. Otherwise, you will more than likely be scraping for groups at the higher levels.

[Diggles]

no way he's a troll. he really did have all of those toons, he really did get handed a sword of the morning. he really does have his blacksmithing up to whatever skill. this is just to save face.

I have a ghoulbane. does that make me a normal player with a serious case of superiority complex?

[Flash]

no way he's a troll. he really did have all of those toons, he really did get handed a sword of the morning. he really does have his blacksmithing up to whatever skill. this is just to save face.

I also deleted all my P99 toons and everything I had when I moved to Red99. That sword and my 26 pally is gone now.

[Diggles]

Ghoulbane is better anyway.

DEATH TO MOURNING.

[Flash]

Ghoulbane is better anyway.

DEATH TO MOURNING.

I myself prefer Centi Longsword and Blade of Disruption.

[Diggles]

I prefer piece of shit Luclin weapons too.

jk I was dual wielding centis on my ranger

[Diggles]

People seriously think this guy is not a troll? I smelled him out on page one come on people.

Stop trolling the kid

[Sponge]

I play a druid to solo and a cleric to group. It seems to work just fine. I don't understand the concern about groups, soloing is way better.

[dalaimoc]

First of all, solo xp on a druid is superior. Groups usually slow me down.

I don't mind grouping or partnering with someone, as thus you get to know the people on the server and an MMO is about social interaction and not so much about playing with oneself (that is what FAP is for !)

So far i haven't had any issues getting in groups. Classic-EQ was never so much about min-/maxing as are other games. This is because usually spawn timers are long enough for even low dps or low regn groups to keep them broken and because raids are not limited on people. You just don't have to decide whom to bring along for a last spot.

Classic EQ was, from my experience, more about reputation, than about your class. You were known to be a nice fellow and knew how to play your char ? You get a spot...that easy.
Actually i don't fancy being in min-/max groups, as they usually stress you out. Most funnest groups and raids i had on Live ,were with unusual and surely sub-par class-combos.

Playing a druid is about being versatile. That means especially realizing when you have to change your role in a group due to some issue arising. Cleric goes oom, you jump in with heals. CCer gets aggro, you ghetto mezz. Runners are a danger ? - you snare/dot - the list is long. All this has to happen on a whim - don't wait to be told to do this or that and don't announce what you are going to do. By the time you are done typing, it's all over anyways.
The best thing that happens is, when people almost don't realize what you are doing, but when you leave they suddenly feel something is missing - then the invites will come repeatedly :-)

Slothbynature Lazybutt - Druid 36