what kind of weed you smokin?

[Minch/FureeZeb]

i live in salt lake city we pretty much get just as good of weed as anyone

recently had something called "bubba's gift", it was mainly purple, some orange, and white. if anyone has had this they would know.

just curious what everyone else is workin with these days...

[ooantipostoo]

i live in salt lake city we pretty much get just as good of weed as anyone

recently had something called "bubba's gift", it was mainly purple, some orange, and white. if anyone has had this they would know.

just curious what everyone else is workin with these days...

everything in San diego District

http://nugporn.com/category/san-diego-nugs/

[Minch/FureeZeb]

fedex me ;)

[TheDudeAbides]

I'm in the process of opening a hydroponics store atm~

[trolleleet]

http://www.reefersmoke.com/assets_c/2009/03/Moroccan_Slate_Hashish-thumb-240x180-167.jpg

Good quality skunk/weed doesnt come easy in Denmark.

Doesnt bother me as i prefer hashish, but i do miss some grade A green :o

[Excision Rottun]

I live in Canada, like 2hrs from the BC border.

So we smoke only the best, currently have some kind of "purple kush"

[Barkingturtle]

Here in Des Moines we have meth.

[Grento]

I have been getting really high quality dank for the past few years, nice trichomes, nicely cured and very potent. Strains are hard to pinpoint simply because i don't know the grower, therefor it is impossible to know what seeds he is using. I am able to make some guesses each time but no way to be 100% certain. Lately he has had very fruity strains, not too dense and a nice bright color.

[ooantipostoo]

http://www.reefersmoke.com/assets_c/2009/03/Moroccan_Slate_Hashish-thumb-240x180-167.jpg

Good quality skunk/weed doesnt come easy in Denmark.

Doesnt bother me as i prefer hashish, but i do miss some grade A green :o

How do you guys smoke hash? When I was in Europe all they did was roll it with cigarettes which i personal thought was nasty even though i smoke cigarettes, smoke it straight dont ruin something good!

[trolleleet]

How do you guys smoke hash? When I was in Europe all they did was roll it with cigarettes which i personal thought was nasty even though i smoke cigarettes, smoke it straight dont ruin something good!

In denmark its pretty standard to toast the cigarette gently under a ligther till crunchy and golden, blowing out nicotine smoke. Too little heat it taste bad, too much it taste harsh. Can be done in a frying pan/pot for bong mixes etc.

Takes time to do and to master so most european countries dont bother for what i know, it really makes a BIG difference.

Cant really smoke hash pure as it just clots up or sets on fire, you really need some tobacco for a smooth burn.

[ooantipostoo]

In denmark its pretty standard to toast the cigarette gently under a ligther till crunchy and golden, blowing out nicotine smoke. Too little heat it taste bad, too much it taste harsh. Can be done in a frying pan/pot for bong mixes etc.

Takes time to do and to master so most european countries dont bother for what i know, it really makes a BIG difference.

Cant really smoke hash pure as it just clots up or sets on fire, you really need some tobacco for a smooth burn.


You waste a great deal of THC smoking it that way, doesnt heat the cannabinoids high enough to get them all.

I suggest knife hits http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItVM9Nxnt-c&feature=related

Or you can acquire a hash Bell for a bong
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfC_slcMu8U

Even putting hash on top of some greens on a bowl doesnt release all the cannabinoids.

[Finawin]

I didn't know you could be a fucking snob with weed. Wow.

[Hasbinbad]

You waste a great deal of THC smoking it that way, doesnt heat the cannabinoids high enough to get them all.

I suggest knife hits http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItVM9Nxnt-c&feature=related

Or you can acquire a hash Bell for a bong
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfC_slcMu8U

Even putting hash on top of some greens on a bowl doesnt release all the cannabinoids.
Er.. What's the point of a vaporizer then?

[Grento]

Get a metal pushpin(NOT PLASTIC!), a large beer glass, a bendy straw and your hash.

Place the pushpin on a flat surface, roll up a ball of hash and stick it on the tack, light the hash on fire and let it burn for a second or two, blow it out and immediately put the beer glass on top of it. Wait for it to burn out and the beer glass should be filled up with nice thick milky smoke. Take your bendy straw, slightly lift the corner of the glass just enough to stick one end of the straw under, quickly put one end under and suck all of the smoke out with the other.

Zero smoke loss, and a giant hit.

[Hasbinbad]

Get a metal pushpin(NOT PLASTIC!), a large beer glass, a bendy straw and your hash.

Place the pushpin on a flat surface, roll up a ball of hash and stick it on the tack, light the hash on fire and let it burn for a second or two, blow it out and immediately put the beer glass on top of it. Wait for it to burn out and the beer glass should be filled up with nice thick milky smoke. Take your bendy straw, slightly lift the corner of the glass just enough to stick one end of the straw under, quickly put one end under and suck all of the smoke out with the other.

Zero smoke loss, and a giant hit.
That's old school.
Never worked for me, but my brother swears by that method.

[Grento]

Er.. What's the point of a vaporizer then?

Much healthier for your lungs. Not only that, all of the left over bud has a little bit of THC left, instead of throwing it all out like most do, save up an ounce of it and make 1 pound of cannabutter.

[Hasbinbad]

My understanding was that the temperature of flame combusts the cannibinol-laden vapors released by combusting weed.. This means that those cannibinol molecules in the vapor were destroyed, sending the byproducts into your lungs and not giving the best effect. Vaporizers supposedly fix this problem by applying a more correct temperature to the marijuana which releases the vapors from the weed but does not combust the molecules in the vapor, delivering a much more effective hit. From the science I have looked at, the "it's healthier" bit is purely a side effect.

Eh?

[Grento]

My understanding was that the temperature of flame combusts the cannibinol-laden vapors released by combusting weed.. This means that those cannibinol molecules in the vapor were destroyed, sending the byproducts into your lungs and not giving the best effect. Vaporizers supposedly fix this problem by applying a more correct temperature to the marijuana which releases the vapors from the weed but does not combust the molecules in the vapor, delivering a much more effective hit. From the science I have looked at, the "it's healthier" bit is purely a side effect.

Eh?

I was just stating what I knew and I am sure there are many more interesting facts, I don't know the science behind it though. I just know it works and the cannabutter that comes from the waste is well worth it.

About that method not working, I couldn't get it to work the first few times but that was because the hash I was getting wouldn't stay ignited. I later found out that good hash is supposed to burn like incense and hash that doesn't continue to burn or that reignites generally has binders in it.

[mixxit]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Hk8pbPnj1c

[Hasbinbad]

About that method not working, I couldn't get it to work the first few times but that was because the hash I was getting wouldn't stay ignited. I later found out that good hash is supposed to burn like incense and hash that doesn't continue to burn or that reignites generally has binders in it.
What a trip.. I think that may have been my problem as well heh. I half suspected it, but never really gave the method a chance afterwards for fear of wasting really good hash! :P

[Hasbinbad]

Hotknifing is fun tho for sure..
One time I was in Humboldt Co. and these guys who introduced me to that technique made "truffles." They prepped some hash, and rolled it with ground buds into a small ball. Then they applied flame to the outside just enough to make it tacky, and dippped it in kief. the result was beautiful. Hotknifing THAT is so fucking crazy that they actually have someone stand behind you in case you fall.

Good times!

[Excision Rottun]

kief

Some guys up here press their keif into pucks with an NHL logo on it...except it says THC.

That shit will get you higher than gas prices.

[ooantipostoo]

Hotknifing is fun tho for sure..
One time I was in Humboldt Co. and these guys who introduced me to that technique made "truffles." They prepped some hash, and rolled it with ground buds into a small ball. Then they applied flame to the outside just enough to make it tacky, and dippped it in kief. the result was beautiful. Hotknifing THAT is so fucking crazy that they actually have someone stand behind you in case you fall.

Good times!


Vaporizing is different mainly for buds only, the cannabinoids are released at a lower temperature than what the plant matter burns at.

Vaping hash doesnt work well, but can be done.You start dealing with dripping issue's and such.

I also supply various dispencerys down here via from me and shipments from Humboldt. Best thing is I can clam all the money legally.

If you ever see something called Earwax or "budder" pick it up this is the highest concentrate available around 90%THC 1 hit is equal to about 2-3 joints. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budder (and no its not the one you cook food with)

[ooantipostoo]

I didn't know you could be a fucking snob with weed. Wow.

You live in MA course you dont :p

[ooantipostoo]

I was just stating what I knew and I am sure there are many more interesting facts, I don't know the science behind it though. I just know it works and the cannabutter that comes from the waste is well worth it.

About that method not working, I couldn't get it to work the first few times but that was because the hash I was getting wouldn't stay ignited. I later found out that good hash is supposed to burn like incense and hash that doesn't continue to burn or that reignites generally has binders in it.

Good hash bubbles

[Shannacore]

I dont smoke weed! Yay me!

[Finawin]

What is it about burnouts that drives them to talk about it 24/7? You never see heroin addicts, cokeheads, or junkies in general really, doing it. Alcoholics (the real alcoholics, not people that just drink) don't even do it and alcohol is legal.

LOOK AT ME LOL I SMOKE SO MUCH WEED LOL LOOK AT ME!

LOL UDUMB I SMOKE IT LIKE DIS

LOL WECOOL

[Grento]

What is it about burnouts that drives them to talk about it 24/7? You never see heroin addicts, cokeheads, or junkies in general really, doing it. Alcoholics (the real alcoholics, not people that just drink) don't even do it and alcohol is legal.

LOOK AT ME LOL I SMOKE SO MUCH WEED LOL LOOK AT ME!

LOL UDUMB I SMOKE IT LIKE DIS

LOL WECOOL

One thread equals 24/7? rofl

Once 10 threads pop up then I will agree with you. This is no different than a thread dedicated to the different beers or wines of the world, something that almost every forum I have been on has had.

Antipost, that just depends on the method used to create it. There is plenty of good hash that doesn't bubble, anyhow.. if you are going for pure potency you would get hash oil or honey oil.

[Finawin]

Have you seen OOC? It's every hour, easily.

Being a snob about beer is fucking retarded too.

"That is just piss! I drink <insert noname bullshit here so no one recognizes how underground the brewery is>"

[ooantipostoo]

What is it about burnouts that drives them to talk about it 24/7? You never see heroin addicts, cokeheads, or junkies in general really, doing it. Alcoholics (the real alcoholics, not people that just drink) don't even do it and alcohol is legal.

LOOK AT ME LOL I SMOKE SO MUCH WEED LOL LOOK AT ME!

LOL UDUMB I SMOKE IT LIKE DIS

LOL WECOOL


Fuckkkk whats up your ass, dont look at the thread then, you saw what it was titled. No one stated anyone as dumb were just sharing different methods who really cares. If you dont like it stop wasting your own time by reading this thread.

[ooantipostoo]

Have you seen OOC? It's every hour, easily.

Being a snob about beer is fucking retarded too.

"That is just piss! I drink <insert noname bullshit here so no one recognizes how underground the brewery is>"

I'm sorry your such a simple guy with no taste buds.

[Grento]

Have you seen OOC? It's every hour, easily.

Being a snob about beer is fucking retarded too.

"That is just piss! I drink <insert noname bullshit here so no one recognizes how underground the brewery is>"

Sure, being a snob about it is. Being interested and educated about doesn't equal snob though, ragging on someone if you feel their taste is poor is being a snob. I will agree with you about every hour though, that would get annoying.

Seriously though, you don't have a preference for certain beers or certain foods? You will just eat and drink whatever someone sticks under your nose?

[Hasbinbad]

If you ever see something called Earwax or "budder" pick it up this is the highest concentrate available around 90%THC 1 hit is equal to about 2-3 joints.
Yeah, I've definitely had wax, also crystals (not meth you fucking tweaks). They were both astoundingly good. I know a lot of the guys who supply the major dispensaries in the east bay, sooo I get samples! :D

Do you know anything about the science behind bonding cannibinols to lipids? Specifically what the saturation point is and ways to home test that? Just from what I know about chemistry, I think current edibles could be improved upon greatly with it's application.

[Grento]

Do you know anything about the science behind bonding cannibinols to lipids? Specifically what the saturation point is and ways to home test that? Just from what I know about chemistry, I think current edibles could be improved upon greatly with the application of chemistry.

As far as efficiency is concerned I am sure it could be improved, as for potency.. eh, it's already easy to get too high from edibles ;p

I made some vanilla caramel candies a few weeks ago, they were really good. The dosage worked out to being about half a gram per candy, give or take due to various little amounts of waste throughout the cooking process. Gave one to a coworker that has been having trouble sleeping after a bad car accident 3 years ago, he ate it 2 hours before bed and said that it was the best night of sleep he had since then.

[Hasbinbad]

Well, I'm kind of in the mindset that I don't wanna hafta eat a BUNCH of brownies to get a buzz on.. I know they make hard candies that are much more potent, but I'm still seeing an average of 500 calories in order to get an effect.. More specifically, I would like to use cannabutter in non-traditional recipes which do not call for very much butter..

[ooantipostoo]

Well, I'm kind of in the mindset that I don't wanna hafta eat a BUNCH of brownies to get a buzz on.. I know they make hard candies that are much more potent, but I'm still seeing an average of 500 calories in order to get an effect.. More specifically, I would like to use cannabutter in non-traditional recipes which do not call for very much butter..

Agree with this, alot of edibles now adays are made with concentrates hash, hash oil all depends on how much you put in it.

Honestly I have to eat alot of edibles on an empty stomach to feel anything

[Hasbinbad]

Agree with this, alot of edibles now adays are made with concentrates hash, hash oil all depends on how much you put in it.

Honestly I have to eat alot of edibles on an empty stomach to feel anything
That's uber expensive tho, I use shake to make cannabutter, and the stuff I make is pretty damned potent, but I'd like to figure out a system for testing/ensuring that I am getting the most into the butter as possible without having some kind of extra steps involving extracting other than a pot and some heat..

Guess not? :P

[Grento]

That's uber expensive tho, I use shake to make cannabutter, and the stuff I make is pretty damned potent, but I'd like to figure out a system for testing/ensuring that I am getting the most into the butter as possible without having some kind of extra steps involving extracting other than a pot and some heat..

Guess not? :P

Without any extra steps? lol

[Hasbinbad]

Without any extra steps? lol
No.
without having some kind of extra steps involving extracting

[Ferok]

Have you seen OOC? It's every hour, easily.

Being a snob about beer is fucking retarded too.

"That is just piss! I drink <insert noname bullshit here so no one recognizes how underground the brewery is>"

Christ man. The pot ooc's annoy me too, but they're hardly every hour here.

Moreover, Beer? Really?

[mixxit]

jakira ftw!

[Minch/FureeZeb]

i prefer to smoke my weed honestly, ive never really felt the effects of edibles.

i prefer a nice tsunami bong rip. blunts a close 2nd.

i understand people being annoyed by stoners and whatever finawin is saying but you dont have to reply or participate in it. if you spoke up about every thing you didnt like you wouldnt stop talking.

[President]

Once again a thread derails.

Smoking out of a vaporizer is very efficient to get the most out of your smoke. You can get a buzz from the smoke, and then make butter with the duff.

Smoking it with a lighter is the standard, but open flame does torch some of the THC to the point where you don't use it.

The best way to smoke weed? Solar. Get a large magnifying glass (around 4" or so) and burn your bowl like you would ants as a kid. Your bowl will not only last FOREVER, but because there is no "open flame" you don't lose any THC.

Solar bong will be the highest you will EVER get, guaranteed.

[Minch/FureeZeb]

Once again a thread derails.

Smoking out of a vaporizer is very efficient to get the most out of your smoke. You can get a buzz from the smoke, and then make butter with the duff.

Smoking it with a lighter is the standard, but open flame does torch some of the THC to the point where you don't use it.

The best way to smoke weed? Solar. Get a large magnifying glass (around 4" or so) and burn your bowl like you would ants as a kid. Your bowl will not only last FOREVER, but because there is no "open flame" you don't lose any THC.

Solar bong will be the highest you will EVER get, guaranteed.

you can buy pipes with magnifying glasses attached. ive never hit one but now i really would like too.

[President]

you can buy pipes with magnifying glasses attached. ive never hit one but now i really would like too.

Ive seen that before but they look cheap. Not that the Magnifying I use wasnt cheap (3$ in china town), but its a serious and big magnifying glass. I like the large ones because you can get a quickly heated burn without struggling like smaller lenses.

[Minch/FureeZeb]

alright im gonna try this soon. results pending

[Hasbinbad]

The best way to smoke weed? Solar. Get a large magnifying glass (around 4" or so) and burn your bowl like you would ants as a kid. Your bowl will not only last FOREVER, but because there is no "open flame" you don't lose any THC.

Solar bong will be the highest you will EVER get, guaranteed.
What do you do at night time?!?

[Sadface]

I am smoking dark mexican weed yo.

Damn I think I just got a buzz for like 2 minutes.

[Excision Rottun]

Solar bong will be the highest you will EVER get, guaranteed.

No.

Every smoke weed mixed with ketamine?

That is the highest you will ever get I GUARANTEE IT.

[Grento]

No.

Every smoke weed mixed with ketamine?

That is the highest you will ever get I GUARANTEE IT.

Sounds like a waste of ket to me.

Anyhow, pretty sure he was just talking about green. Not mixed with anything.

[Bad_Larry]

Weed is fo fags.

[Excision Rottun]

Sounds like a waste of ket to me.

Anyhow, pretty sure he was just talking about green. Not mixed with anything.

In my opinion it is but I know party kids who like to smoke the mixture.

K is way better for bumpin' bumpin' bumpin' !

[Zithax]

Mid grade skunk weed here in NC, although my dad has a buddy who's getting some good high grade this summer. I'm getting a lb of it.

[girth]

Good gosh that hash on the first page looks AMAZING.

I got some stuff called Pot o' Gold at the moment, its awesome.

[Fraud]

The best way to smoke weed? Solar. Get a large magnifying glass (around 4" or so) and burn your bowl like you would ants as a kid. Your bowl will not only last FOREVER, but because there is no "open flame" you don't lose any THC.

Solar bong will be the highest you will EVER get, guaranteed.

i saw a guy at work who had a $1500 laser pointer (waste of money, but cool as shit) that you could point at something for 10 seconds and it would start smoking. Makes me wanna try to smoke my weed with that.

[Fraud]

oh, and


http://www.mandalaseeds.com/assets/images/l_Poster-Hashberry.jpg

[mirko]

Fuckin pot heads. Get a job.

[Grento]

Fuckin pot heads. Get a job.

You're right, 50 hours a week isn't enough. I will get right on that.

[mirko]

You're right, 50 hours a week isn't enough. I will get right on that.

Cry me a river, build a bridge, and get over it.


OHHHH BURN

[Grento]

Cry me a river, build a bridge, and get over it.


OHHHH BURN

Why would I do that? You are right, I should be working 70 0r 80.

[Shannacore]

Stoppppppp fightingggggg

[Excision Rottun]

Cry me a river, build a bridge, and get over it.


OHHHH BURN

I blow up bridges for a living.

[w1ngz]

that's purdy, fraud.

i don't have the bank roll to be a snob -- mids make me happy. but when i can find it, northern lights makes me deliriously happy :D

[mirko]

Why would I do that? You are right, I should be working 70 0r 80.

If you didn't smoke weed you could do your job more efficiently instead of being burnt out, you could cut 30 hours off your work week because you are excelling at your job. Then your boss would notice what a great job you were doing. He would be so impressed that you would get a promotion and a pay hike, and then you could knock another 10 hours off your work week. Then you would have more money because of your raise, and you'd save a hell of a lot of money from not having to buy weed. Then the supermodel would see what a hard worker you were and fall in love with you. You would get married and have lots of cute babies. You life would be grand.

[Shannacore]

You would get married and have lots of cute babies. You life would be grand.

I like thiiiiiis paaaaaart

[Grento]

If you didn't smoke weed you could do your job more efficiently instead of being burnt out, you could cut 30 hours off your work week because you are excelling at your job. Then your boss would notice what a great job you were doing. He would be so impressed that you would get a promotion and a pay hike, and then you could knock another 10 hours off your work week. Then you would have more money because of your raise, and you'd save a hell of a lot of money from not having to buy weed. Then the supermodel would see what a hard worker you were and fall in love with you. You would get married and have lots of cute babies. You life would be grand.

10 hour work weeks and a supermodel? hmmm

[Omnimorph]

10 hour work weeks and a supermodel? hmmm

but then you'd have more time to dedicate to eq, and whilst you're there playing eq, your supermodel wife is neglecting the kids, getting drunk in the kitchen. She's now started talking to that smarmy neighbour you never liked called Edward... but you're too busy trying to get that fbss for your monk twink in time for when kunark comes out!!! now she's left you for him, you're in a custody battle which you don't show up to the hearing on because you're still eq'ing, your kids have left, you haven't bathed in days, and the boss is calling saying why aren't you in work?

oh, and you forgot to pay your electric bill...*bzzt* (computer off)

[Fraud]

oh, and you forgot to pay your electric bill...*bzzt* (computer off)

OMG NOT THE INTERNETS!

[vaire100]

Im picking up half oz of some excellent smoke, brilliant green with lovely trichomes and nice N. CA aroma.... and going to see clash of the titans 3D this weekend.

I saw avatar the same way... and im glad since it was soooo boring... all I got out of it, was that I wanted to fuck those aliens (and also... if we can make avatars.. why not let people grow themselves at 20 years old over and over, while keeping just their brain alive?? totally worth more than unobtainium, not to mention the potential for alien sex tours...)

anyway....

I own a Volcano Vaporizer but I found that I overused because its so god damn fun ... whereas taking one little toke out of a pipe actually gives me all I need to treat my anxiety and clinically diagnosed depressive disorder. One toke lasts for hours, and my lungs feel fine. I dont have a car so I ride my bike and walk everyday.

Pot is from the earth. If you don't get use from it, or dont prefer it... dont use it. Don't send innocent people to jail. Prohibition didnt work before, and it doesn't now.








MEGA RANT::::





Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), cannabidiol (CBD) and cannabinol (CBN) are the most prevalent natural cannabinoids and have received the most study


The US government, represented by the Dept of Health and Human services, owns a patent (#6630507) on CBD.

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6630507


Well, one down. Now, about THC?

Well, here is the kind of 3rd grade logic the DEA actually expects you to believe (excerpted from their TOP 10 facts):

DEA Fact 3: Illegal drugs are illegal because they are harmful.
There is a growing misconception that some illegal drugs can be taken safely. For example, savvy drug dealers have learned how to market drugs like Ecstasy to youth. Some in the Legalization Lobby even claim such drugs have medical value, despite the lack of conclusive scientific evidence.

..... what the fuck does that have to do with anything? Ever hear of cigs and alcohol? Not to mention prohibition doesn't work, and the social costs of Marijuana are present without any revenue to offset them. Pot will never go away. Just like Beer.

Here's an interesting fact:

When measured by therapeutic index, most “illegal” drugs are technically safer than alcohol and cannabis is the safest of all with a therapeutic index that’s practically immeasurable. Cannabis is so non-toxic that it’s ratio is estimated to be 1:20,000 to 1:40,000. The DEA’s Administrative Law Judge Francis L. Young concluded it would take a man smoking 1,500 lbs. of cannabis in 15 minutes to die of an overdose.



DEA Fact 4: Smoked marijuana is not scientifically approved medicine. Marinol, the legal version of medical marijuana, is approved by science.
According to the Institute of Medicine, there is no future in smoked marijuana as medicine. However, the prescription drug Marinol—a legal and safe version of medical marijuana which isolates the active ingredient of THC—has been studied and approved by the Food & Drug Administration as safe medicine. The difference is that you have to get a prescription for Marinol from a licensed physician. You can’t buy it on a street corner, and you don’t smoke it.

The DEA supports research into the safety and efficacy of THC (the major psychoactive component of marijuana), and such studies are ongoing, supported by grants from the National Institute on Drug Abuse.

http://www.justice.gov/dea/marijuana_position.html

As a result of such research, a synthetic THC drug, Marinol, has been available to the public since 1985.
The active ingredient of Marinol is synthetic THC
http://www.justice.gov/dea/ongoing/marinol.html


You will notice, the DEA insists that every marijuana user is a smoker, and therefore its not medicine... when it well known that oxidizing THC by flame turns it into other cannabinoids... and if that is what works for someone.. also, the fact about it being more harmful than cigarettes is bogus. Know what happens when you combust that chemical sludge in your cigs? Radioactive substances. Wonder why you get cancer??


Essentially, if you were allowed to grow the plant yourself, and consume it in a way other than smoking... the DEA has no legs to stand on, in addition to being completely deceptive and trying to make the laws, instead of enforce them as they claim. This kind of practice is seriously unethical.

Governments lie... but why??? Why lie about a medicine and harmless, non toxic drug??? They say its bad, yet they dont really study it, yet the components of the plant are legal in forms you have to pay for from pharmaceutical companies.

You can also make over 20,000 products from Hemp that have NOTHING to do with THC.


http://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT00391079?term=Sativex&rank=34
^--- oh look, a BOTANICALLY derived non-synthetic that has real medical value in a number of diseases, treating not only symptoms but the disease itself in some cases.




The amount of misinformation is staggering. That will all change because CA will vote to legalize in November.

People who don't "need" to use marijuana don't have to, just like those who don't "need" a beer don't drink them. I also think cigarrettes are disgusting.

Why, when science says otherwise, does the DEA insist on a prohibition they KNOW does NOT work.

In addition, several synthetics have recently been seeing increased availability and use... they are CHEAP to produce, and dont have the same chemical signature... and are in fact, so highly concentrated that people are fucking FREAKING on it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JWH-018
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JWH-073
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JWH-081
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JWH-200

Apparently, those ads in the back of high times for "legal buds"... would have gotten you high since about 2002.... if you ordered "Spice Gold" (sold in my state of WA currently as an Incense). But highly prefers one CB receptor over another, unlike REAL pot.

Also, the numerous cannabinoids in pot mitigate each other. Pure THC is a psychotic. CBD is anti psychotic. There are various uses for each cannabinoid, but NO ONE KNOWS because they wont let us know.... but they say its ALL bad. This is really bad, because when Kids find out POT is FINE... they, like me... wonder what else the adults are lying about. So thanks DEA for allowing me to research and see the truth. Other drugs like heroin and ecstacy.... are toxic, and cause physical illness. At any time, comparing these substances to marijuana is illogical. Besides, Alcohol is the WORST, it destroys peoples lives who dont even use it... and its encouraged to down a Coors are the end of the day. Depress your nervous system, courtesy of Uncle Sam.

This shit is so obvious, im a fucking stoner and I see through the smoke. Educate yourself.

http://www.mpp.org
http://www.norml.org




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabinoid

[Hasbinbad]

Im picking up half oz of some excellent smoke, brilliant green with lovely trichomes and nice N. CA aroma.... and going to see clash of the titans 3D this weekend.

I saw avatar the same way... and im glad since it was soooo boring... all I got out of it, was that I wanted to fuck those aliens (and also... if we can make avatars.. why not let people grow themselves at 20 years old over and over, while keeping just their brain alive?? totally worth more than unobtainium, not to mention the potential for alien sex tours...)

anyway....

I own a Volcano Vaporizer but I found that I overused because its so god damn fun ... whereas taking one little toke out of a pipe actually gives me all I need to treat my anxiety and clinically diagnosed depressive disorder. One toke lasts for hours, and my lungs feel fine. I dont have a car so I ride my bike and walk everyday.

Pot is from the earth. If you don't get use from it, or dont prefer it... dont use it. Don't send innocent people to jail. Prohibition didnt work before, and it doesn't now.








MEGA RANT::::





Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), cannabidiol (CBD) and cannabinol (CBN) are the most prevalent natural cannabinoids and have received the most study


The US government, represented by the Dept of Health and Human services, owns a patent (#6630507) on CBD.

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6630507


Well, one down. Now, about THC?

Well, here is the kind of 3rd grade logic the DEA actually expects you to believe (excerpted from their TOP 10 facts):

DEA Fact 3: Illegal drugs are illegal because they are harmful.
There is a growing misconception that some illegal drugs can be taken safely. For example, savvy drug dealers have learned how to market drugs like Ecstasy to youth. Some in the Legalization Lobby even claim such drugs have medical value, despite the lack of conclusive scientific evidence.

..... what the fuck does that have to do with anything? Ever hear of cigs and alcohol? Not to mention prohibition doesn't work, and the social costs of Marijuana are present without any revenue to offset them. Pot will never go away. Just like Beer.

Here's an interesting fact:

When measured by therapeutic index, most “illegal” drugs are technically safer than alcohol and cannabis is the safest of all with a therapeutic index that’s practically immeasurable. Cannabis is so non-toxic that it’s ratio is estimated to be 1:20,000 to 1:40,000. The DEA’s Administrative Law Judge Francis L. Young concluded it would take a man smoking 1,500 lbs. of cannabis in 15 minutes to die of an overdose.



DEA Fact 4: Smoked marijuana is not scientifically approved medicine. Marinol, the legal version of medical marijuana, is approved by science.
According to the Institute of Medicine, there is no future in smoked marijuana as medicine. However, the prescription drug Marinol—a legal and safe version of medical marijuana which isolates the active ingredient of THC—has been studied and approved by the Food & Drug Administration as safe medicine. The difference is that you have to get a prescription for Marinol from a licensed physician. You can’t buy it on a street corner, and you don’t smoke it.

The DEA supports research into the safety and efficacy of THC (the major psychoactive component of marijuana), and such studies are ongoing, supported by grants from the National Institute on Drug Abuse.

http://www.justice.gov/dea/marijuana_position.html

As a result of such research, a synthetic THC drug, Marinol, has been available to the public since 1985.
The active ingredient of Marinol is synthetic THC
http://www.justice.gov/dea/ongoing/marinol.html


You will notice, the DEA insists that every marijuana user is a smoker, and therefore its not medicine... when it well known that oxidizing THC by flame turns it into other cannabinoids... and if that is what works for someone.. also, the fact about it being more harmful than cigarettes is bogus. Know what happens when you combust that chemical sludge in your cigs? Radioactive substances. Wonder why you get cancer??


Essentially, if you were allowed to grow the plant yourself, and consume it in a way other than smoking... the DEA has no legs to stand on, in addition to being completely deceptive and trying to make the laws, instead of enforce them as they claim. This kind of practice is seriously unethical.

Governments lie... but why??? Why lie about a medicine and harmless, non toxic drug??? They say its bad, yet they dont really study it, yet the components of the plant are legal in forms you have to pay for from pharmaceutical companies.

You can also make over 20,000 products from Hemp that have NOTHING to do with THC.


http://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT00391079?term=Sativex&rank=34
^--- oh look, a BOTANICALLY derived non-synthetic that has real medical value in a number of diseases, treating not only symptoms but the disease itself in some cases.




The amount of misinformation is staggering. That will all change because CA will vote to legalize in November.

People who don't "need" to use marijuana don't have to, just like those who don't "need" a beer don't drink them. I also think cigarrettes are disgusting.

Why, when science says otherwise, does the DEA insist on a prohibition they KNOW does NOT work.

In addition, several synthetics have recently been seeing increased availability and use... they are CHEAP to produce, and dont have the same chemical signature... and are in fact, so highly concentrated that people are fucking FREAKING on it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JWH-018
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JWH-073
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JWH-081
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JWH-200

Apparently, those ads in the back of high times for "legal buds"... would have gotten you high since about 2002.... if you ordered "Spice Gold" (sold in my state of WA currently as an Incense). But highly prefers one CB receptor over another, unlike REAL pot.

Also, the numerous cannabinoids in pot mitigate each other. Pure THC is a psychotic. CBD is anti psychotic. There are various uses for each cannabinoid, but NO ONE KNOWS because they wont let us know.... but they say its ALL bad. This is really bad, because when Kids find out POT is FINE... they, like me... wonder what else the adults are lying about. So thanks DEA for allowing me to research and see the truth. Other drugs like heroin and ecstacy.... are toxic, and cause physical illness. At any time, comparing these substances to marijuana is illogical. Besides, Alcohol is the WORST, it destroys peoples lives who dont even use it... and its encouraged to down a Coors are the end of the day. Depress your nervous system, courtesy of Uncle Sam.

This shit is so obvious, im a fucking stoner and I see through the smoke. Educate yourself.

http://www.mpp.org
http://www.norml.org




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabinoid

You're pretty much exactly right, but your arguments are shaky, your evidence is severely lacking, and your parallels are out of left field. You do a larger disservice to the cause than anyone who spouts off idiotic drivel about how bad pot is. Likening pot to other drugs like X is the last thing we need to do, because the fact is that other drugs ARE harmful, and pot is not in the same league at all.

A much simpler way to say what you said, without making people look up "therapeutic index" (great $10 word btw), is to say:

THC has zero long term negative side effects.

This is a completely true statement. I defy anyone to come up with a single peer-reviewed scientific journal article stating otherwise (there would be MANY).

You say for others to educate themselves, well that kind of implies that you yourself are educated. I beg you to use that education next time you post a rant like this; arrange your points in a loose essay format rather than posting disconnected random thoughts. It will make it much easier to read, and it will draw significantly less fire from the opposition. If I was anti-marijuana I would honestly be using your post as anecdotal evidence for why it's harmful.

[Crone]

Social stigma's are a bitch, eh?

[Finawin]

Lol definitely didn't read that shit after he said he smokes for his <insert shit here>

[Intricus]

Wow, I never was aware how much science is behind a toke until now.....
anyway I smoke out of glass 'spoon' pipes, with a butane turbo lighter. Does the job for me.

[StinkyGreenBud]

Since i have moved to the fucking deep south all i get is seedy mexican shwag. I came from Vermont and i miss my hippy dealers.

[vaire100]

thats all the effort i felt like putting into it. i figured between all the links, everyone can find out what they need.

by the way

:http://www.norml.org

Oakland, CA – The availability of a new type of medical cannabis strain will be presented for the first time by Steve DeAngelo, who has been featured on CNN, The Wall Street Journal, Fortune Magazine, and The New York Times as Executive Director of one of the nation’s top model and non-profit medical cannabis dispensaries, Harborside Health Center in Oakland, California.

DeAngelo will announce the availability of this type of non-psychoactive cannabis that has been lab tested with California strains with CBD (Cannabidol) at the 6th Annual National Clinical Conference on Cannabis Therapeutics on Friday, April 16th at 12PM Noon at The Crown Plaza Hotel, 801 Greenwich Avenue, Warwick, Rhode Island.

Conference information can be found at: www.medicalcannabis.com

For three decades, DeAngelo has been an engaging speaker as he cuts through the stigma, and delivers the true facts about cannabis. His exciting and important presentation will include results of the first large scale analytical study of California’s medical cannabis supply, which revealed that one of the most medically efficacious cannabinoids—CBD—has been bred out of plants grown primarily for psychoactive effect. Only within the past year have CBD-rich cannabis varieties been identified, thanks to an analytical chemistry lab that DeAngelo helped launch.

Recent research has demonstrated that CBD is effective in slowing or reversing a number of different types of cancer; as well as other serious illnesses. In response to the shortage of CBD rich cannabis varieties, Harborside has initiated a program to identify such strains, and encourage growers to propagate them. Because CBD modulates the psycho activity of THC, some patients respond better to varieties of cannabis which couple low THC levels with high CBD levels, because they enhance medical efficacy while reducing or eliminating psycho activity. This is particularly true for cannabis-naïve patients, who have no prior experience with it, prior to receiving a recommendation from their doctor. “Ultimately, there will be greater demand for CBD-rich cannabis, than there is for cannabis that just gets you high” predicts DeAngelo. “Only a small percentage of people enjoy the psycho activity of cannabis, but almost everybody can benefit from its medical properties”.







so new shit comes out all the time, i dont claim to know everything, but i do at least bother to look... unlike some medical "professionals".

and now, THC-less weed. Sorry DEA. Games over!

also fuck you, guy who didnt like my rant.. it was pretty well labeled! right in the ear bro.

[Minch/FureeZeb]

anyone see the new south park? "medicinal fried chicken" fucking classic

[mirko]

I love all these arguments for "medicinal" weed. Hey I have a problem over sleeping.... I bet if I snort coke all night I won't have a problem with sleeping too much anymore! Let's make it medicinal!!!!!! It will cure me!

[vaire100]

Its even better how retards can't see that:

1.) Alcohol has both medicinal and recreational uses - Antiseptic; and if you drink enough you die.

2.) While cigarette smoke is not an obvious source of radiation exposure, it contains small amounts of radioactive materials http://www.epa.gov/rpdweb00/sources/tobacco.html .. and if you consume enough nicotine you die.

3.) No one has ever died from Marijuana

4.) Alcohol prohibition didn't work, and alcohol even kills people who dont use it (physical abuse, accident victims).

5.) Cannabis is non-toxic and is not processed in the liver like most pain medications, making it an extremely valuable tool for sick patients who's bodies cannot take any more $$ pain "medications".

6.) Hemp seeds and hemp oil are highly nutritious.

7.) http://www.cocaine.org/violence/index.html

8.) Look at this propaganda... take away THC and smoking, and there is no argument. http://www.justice.gov/dea/demand/speakout/index.html

9.) Cannabis poses a lower threat than heroin or cocaine in part because its distribution and abuse are not commonly associated with violent crime.

10.) You can grow it for free and it works. Lobbyists for Alcohol, Tobacco, Pharmaceuticals, Timber, and even Military Contractors will lose money if people can use this plant again.

11.) People will not stop using cannabis. Any social costs will remain, including the cartels increasing profits and power. The only logical stance is to get tax revenue to offset these potential pitfalls, and in some cases, eliminate an enabling situation that allows criminals to profit.

12.) You sleep like a baby if you use Cannabis.

13.) There is no Easter Bunny. Sorry... not everything everyone tells you is true.

[Minch/FureeZeb]

I love all these arguments for "medicinal" weed. Hey I have a problem over sleeping.... I bet if I snort coke all night I won't have a problem with sleeping too much anymore! Let's make it medicinal!!!!!! It will cure me!

you dumb?

[mirko]

Its even better how retards can't see that:

1.) Alcohol has both medicinal and recreational uses - Antiseptic; and if you drink enough you die.
I don't know of any doctors who will "prescribe" you alchoho. It's more self medicating

2.) While cigarette smoke is not an obvious source of radiation exposure, it contains small amounts of radioactive materials http://www.epa.gov/rpdweb00/sources/tobacco.html .. and if you consume enough nicotine you die.
Smoking is bad for you. Thanks captain obvious.

3.) No one has ever died from Marijuana
Directly, no. Indirectly, I would beg to differ. Although I dont have the time or energy to do the research. I'm sure some idiot did something stupid because they were high and died.

4.) Alcohol prohibition didn't work, and alcohol even kills people who dont use it (physical abuse, accident victims).
So no one has ever died because they got into a car accident with someone who was high?

5.) Cannabis is non-toxic and is not processed in the liver like most pain medications, making it an extremely valuable tool for sick patients who's bodies cannot take any more $$ pain "medications".
I would agree with you on this. But since weed can't kill you then it should just be made legal and let people self-medicate them selves.

6.) Hemp seeds and hemp oil are highly nutritious.
Yea thats what Im having for dinner tonight.

7.) http://www.cocaine.org/violence/index.html
Cocaine isnt good for you???????

8.) Look at this propaganda... take away THC and smoking, and there is no argument. http://www.justice.gov/dea/demand/speakout/index.html
The link you provided is such a broad statement. Although it does mention marijuana, it is talking about all drugs. Putting weed in that category is not right, but they are not just talking about weed here.

9.) Cannabis poses a lower threat than heroin or cocaine in part because its distribution and abuse are not commonly associated with violent crime.
It may not be common, but from first hand experience I have seen many violent crimes done as a result of the buying/selling of marijuana. Not because of the consumption though of course.

10.) You can grow it for free and it works. Lobbyists for Alcohol, Tobacco, Pharmaceuticals, Timber, and even Military Contractors will lose money if people can use this plant again.
I think it would be better to point out how much money government organizations and industries will SAVE and MAKE if it it legalized. Not how much money people will LOSE.

11.) People will not stop using cannabis. Any social costs will remain, including the cartels increasing profits and power. The only logical stance is to get tax revenue to offset these potential pitfalls, and in some cases, eliminate an enabling situation that allows criminals to profit.
Bad argument because you can say also that people will not stop using heroin either, but does that make it right to legalize it?

12.) You sleep like a baby if you use Cannabis.
true

13.) There is no Easter Bunny. Sorry... not everything everyone tells you is true.
Dick what if I kid stumbles along these boards and reads this? You just shattered their fantasy. Next you're gonna say Santa Clause doesn't exist. Think about the kids man.


I don't know why I just did this. I am bored at work. Sorry

[Finawin]

While I don't think it should be illegal, the arguments being made in here are retarded lmfao

[Hasbinbad]

1.) Alcohol has both medicinal and recreational uses - Antiseptic; and if you drink enough you die.
I don't know of any doctors who will "prescribe" you alchoho. It's more self medicating
This is a baseless argument. Substances which doctors can prescribe must be licensed. In fact, many licensed drugs do contain various forms of alcohol, and are prescribed every day. His point however, was that different forms of alcohol are used in different ways. In fact, he was saying that drinking recreational alcohol was one of the bad ways in which alcohol was used by comparing it to the antiseptic nature of topically applied alcohols (e.g. isopropyl). Furthermore, Marijuana is a licensed medication, which doctors do prescribe to people who do need it. This is indisputable in spite of the many people who take advantage of the current system to obtain scrips for questionable reasons.

2.) While cigarette smoke is not an obvious source of radiation exposure, it contains small amounts of radioactive materials http://www.epa.gov/rpdweb00/sources/tobacco.html .. and if you consume enough nicotine you die.
Smoking is bad for you. Thanks captain obvious.
You ignore his obvious main point, which is that the government would have no problem with pot if it wasn't smoked. Meanwhile they have absolutely no problem with people smoking cigarettes, which is far worse for you than smoking weed. Before you come rushing here with your evidence about how marijuana contains 5x more benzopyrene than tobacco by mass, consider that each cigarette contains 1.5 grams of tobacco; most smokers smoke between 0.5 to 2 packs of cigs per day; I live in fucking California, I hang out with some of the heaviest hitting bong destroyers known to man, and I don't know a single person who smokes 15-60 grams of pot to their head per day.

3.) No one has ever died from Marijuana
Directly, no. Indirectly, I would beg to differ. Although I dont have the time or energy to do the research. I'm sure some idiot did something stupid because they were high and died.
Evidence please. The propaganda of the high guy who hits a little girl coming out of McDonalds is simply that: propaganda. I defy you to come up with some kind of valid evidence that shows that pot-use related accidents even occur, much less at a rate comparable with the amount of accidents which occur due to the use of alcohol. You dropped your pocket..

4.) Alcohol prohibition didn't work, and alcohol even kills people who dont use it (physical abuse, accident victims).
So no one has ever died because they got into a car accident with someone who was high?
Quite frankly, no. At least, if it ever did happen, it's an extremely rare case, and probably due more to other factors rather than use of THC. See above. Show evidence before you make totally outrageous claims.

5.) Cannabis is non-toxic and is not processed in the liver like most pain medications, making it an extremely valuable tool for sick patients who's bodies cannot take any more $$ pain "medications".
I would agree with you on this. But since weed can't kill you then it should just be made legal and let people self-medicate them selves.
I totally agree with you. However, research funding is more likely to be granted if it's part of "the system." Did you know you have an entire system in your body who's only function is to metabolize cannibinoids? The science of the cannibinoid system: how it works, how it affects the other systems, how it can be used to deliver others kinds of medications, and therapeutic uses of different forms of cannibinoids, etc., is thin right now, and mankind could benefit greatly from knowing more about it. Case in point:
Cannabinoids promote embryonic and adult hippocampus neurogenesis and produce anxiolytic- and antidepressant-like effects. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1253627/)
Neurogenesis is the formation of NEW NERVE CELLS. This is something previously thought impossible, and could hold the key to many new breakthroughs, the least and most obvious of which is restoring movement to people who have suffered trauma to their spinal cord.. I mean seriously, POT? ..but it's true dude.

6.) Hemp seeds and hemp oil are highly nutritious.
Yea thats what Im having for dinner tonight.
You probably eat more hemp-derived products than you're aware of. The facts stand behind him, hemp derivatives contain many trace elements and the "right" kinds of oils that your body needs. Look it up dude. Just because you personally don't like the idea of it, does not mean that what he is saying is not true.

7.) http://www.cocaine.org/violence/index.html
Cocaine isnt good for you???????
Right. You're ignoring his point again. Let me spell it out for ya. Cocaine, arguably the second most socially accepted illegal recreation drug, has a huge history of causing major problems with people and the way they think and act. There is a shit ton of evidence saying why cocaine is fucked up for people and how it hurts the individuals who choose to use it, their friends and families, and innocent people caught by circumstance. The implied point therefore (which you ignored) is that there is no similar wealth of evidence saying what is wrong with pot. There are only ~ two or three short term "negative" side effects to smoking pot, and they certainly do not include promotion of violent tendencies. There are zero long term negative side effects to smoking pot.

8.) Look at this propaganda... take away THC and smoking, and there is no argument. http://www.justice.gov/dea/demand/speakout/index.html
The link you provided is such a broad statement. Although it does mention marijuana, it is talking about all drugs. Putting weed in that category is not right, but they are not just talking about weed here.
Well hopefully, I am fulfilling your desire for pot-specific talk here. What he is saying is that most of the argument against smoking pot is propaganda. Do you know where the term "Marijuana" came from? It was invented by a US Government official to sound "menacing and mexican." They literally took an unrelated mexican-spanish word that sounded evil to ignorant americans, and changed it slightly and put it on pot. I kid you not. The propaganda behind demonizing pot started around the turn of the century, and has not let up for one simple reason. It's extremely hard for your average Joe to set up a liquor distillery in his backyard which produces a form of alcohol which will not kill you. People would rather spend the money (generating TAXES) to buy liquor they KNEW would not kill them than moonshining in their back yards. However, with pot, you throw a seed in the ground, and it grows. The government KNEW that most people would choose to smoke pot over alcohol (less violence, better "high," less loss of inhibitions, etc.), so when prohibition ended, they kept the propaganda demonizing weed. They called potheads crazy lunatics who went around jumping off buildings. Evidence sir. Find it.

9.) Cannabis poses a lower threat than heroin or cocaine in part because its distribution and abuse are not commonly associated with violent crime.
It may not be common, but from first hand experience I have seen many violent crimes done as a result of the buying/selling of marijuana. Not because of the consumption though of course.
This is true, but it is more of a product of MONEY'S influence than marijuana. If you take pot out of the hands of criminals, this problem completely evaporates (see: Amsterdam).

10.) You can grow it for free and it works. Lobbyists for Alcohol, Tobacco, Pharmaceuticals, Timber, and even Military Contractors will lose money if people can use this plant again.
I think it would be better to point out how much money government organizations and industries will SAVE and MAKE if it it legalized. Not how much money people will LOSE.
Both arguments hold water. The recreational alcohol industry stands the most to lose from legalization of marijuana. Tobacco would, and in fact they are lobbying with alcohol, but in fact most major tobacco corps already have patents and samples of their brand of cannabis cigarettes. A&T have a long history of supporting each other, so Tobacco isn't making any huge overtures for legalization, but they probably will not end up losing too much money. What he is saying is that certain POWERFUL organizations stand to lose a LOT of money if weed is 100% decriminalized, and so they are fighting hard to keep the propaganda machine against pot rolling, as evidence by your vehement ignorance (no insult, but the fact is that you are being vehement in your arguments against pot, and you are obviously un- or mis-informed).

11.) People will not stop using cannabis. Any social costs will remain, including the cartels increasing profits and power. The only logical stance is to get tax revenue to offset these potential pitfalls, and in some cases, eliminate an enabling situation that allows criminals to profit.
Bad argument because you can say also that people will not stop using heroin either, but does that make it right to legalize it?
Even though I agree that this is a bad argument, you say so by implementing false analogy. Heroin has a long history of being detrimental, which is easily found with the assistance of google. This also hearkens back to the first point, because heroin is nothing but an opiate, and opiates are prescribed every minute of every day in hospitals around the world.

12.) You sleep like a baby if you use Cannabis.
true
true

[vaire100]

Hasbinbad... you saved me so much time :D

Hmm.. I forgot, because im a stoner... but since RJ reynolds and others own snack/food co.'s, they will be ok...

especially with their new line of pre-packed blunts, premium edibles, and green dragon brew.

all available at your fine liquor store, licensed by the state.

convienently, there are all ready trucks on the way to these stores that can accomodate boxes of goods!! Hurrah!
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FURTHERMOAR

Placement on schedules; findings required
Except ... The findings required for each of the schedules are as follows:
(1) Schedule I.—
(A) The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse. – alcohol, cigarettes????
(B) The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States. – patent for CBD held by US gov. for medical utility
(C) There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision." – medical marijuana laws? other countries that have lower usage rates even though its legal?


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MJ is fine. Your brain is the only problem.

[girth]

I didn't know you could be a fucking snob with weed. Wow.

That's because you're ignorant. And belligerent... What a great combination.

[Omnimorph]

That's because you're ignorant. And belligerent... What a great combination.

or as i like to say... bellignorant... you can use it.

[Hasbinbad]

Bellignorant fucktards!
(u can use)

[Finawin]

Yeah, if you think I'm ignorant on the subject I would like to giggle a bit at you.

[trolleleet]

Poor Finawin, the drunken class clown.

Seriously though, im laughing at you.

[TheDudeAbides]

Poor Finawin, the drunken class clown.

Seriously though, im laughing at you.

There isn't any OOC atm to sustain his quest to feel important in life

So he trolls the forums for attention. Haha it's pathetic.

[Uaellaen]

1.) Alcohol has both medicinal and recreational uses - Antiseptic; and if you drink enough you die.
I don't know of any doctors who will "prescribe" you alchoho. It's more self medicating

right ... go check your medicine cabinet for anything that desinfects, and look for Ethanol (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol) on the incredients ... you idiot ...

10.) You can grow it for free and it works. Lobbyists for Alcohol, Tobacco, Pharmaceuticals, Timber, and even Military Contractors will lose money if people can use this plant again.
I think it would be better to point out how much money government organizations and industries will SAVE and MAKE if it it legalized. Not how much money people will LOSE.

omg .. i agree with you *hangs him self* ... i just recently saw a documentation about this topic ... i only have a link in german thou ... http://www.cannabislegal.de/argumente/zahlen.htm

basicly it says that in germany, if legalized it would add 530 MILLION euros per year from sales, it would also save 1,5 BILLION euros for lawsuits and persuation of cannabis users ... it would create roughly 13500 new jobs, from wich the state would profit with roughly 200 million euros in income and social taxes ...

so to me that is quite some amount ... even if the numbers arent that high, and it just summs up to 1 billion a year ... its still a no brainer ...

[Uaellaen]

3.) No one has ever died from Marijuana
Directly, no. Indirectly, I would beg to differ. Although I dont have the time or energy to do the research. I'm sure some idiot did something stupid because they were high and died.
Evidence please. The propaganda of the high guy who hits a little girl coming out of McDonalds is simply that: propaganda. I defy you to come up with some kind of valid evidence that shows that pot-use related accidents even occur, much less at a rate comparable with the amount of accidents which occur due to the use of alcohol. You dropped your pocket..

i want to say something to that ... do NOT drive while under the influence of alcohol, weed or any other substances that alter the amount of time you need to react to new situations ...

it doesnt matter if its alcohol or cannabis, both can lead to accidents if still under the effect ...


4.) Alcohol prohibition didn't work, and alcohol even kills people who dont use it (physical abuse, accident victims).
So no one has ever died because they got into a car accident with someone who was high?
Quite frankly, no. At least, if it ever did happen, it's an extremely rare case, and probably due more to other factors rather than use of THC. See above. Show evidence before you make totally outrageous claims.

and again ... bullshit ... if you are high and you drive you are at risk of fucking up ... you WILL react slower ... but same goes for alcohol ..

[Vangorr_WAR]

Beer FTW!

[Hasbinbad]

i want to say something to that ... do NOT drive while under the influence of alcohol, weed or any other substances that alter the amount of time you need to react to new situations ...
it doesnt matter if its alcohol or cannabis, both can lead to accidents if still under the effect ...
and again ... bullshit ... if you are high and you drive you are at risk of fucking up ... you WILL react slower ... but same goes for alcohol ..
*stops self from raging on the guy comparing driving fucking drunk to driving after smoking a joint*

[girth]

*stops self from raging on the guy comparing driving fucking drunk to driving after smoking a joint*

Some people can't hold their weed though, just like many people can't hold their alcohol. I've seen plenty of people I wouldn't want doing anything but sitting on a couch after smoking. Especially girls or people new to smoking.

That said, for people who do it regularly, functioning is not a problem at all no matter how baked. I drive all the time like that - never had any problems - in fact, my only wreck that was my fault - I was completely sober, it was that damn pretty girl's fault on the side of the road...

[Hasbinbad]

Some people can't hold their weed though, just like many people can't hold their alcohol. I've seen plenty of people I wouldn't want doing anything but sitting on a couch after smoking. Especially girls or people new to smoking.

That said, for people who do it regularly, functioning is not a problem at all no matter how baked. I drive all the time like that - never had any problems - in fact, my only wreck that was my fault - I was completely sober, it was that damn pretty girl's fault on the side of the road...
right.. ..weed affects different people differently.. ..I'll give you that. That being said, I'd get in the passenger seat with someone who was high for the first time and a 90lb girl any day of the week over someone who had been drinking and could "hold their liquor."

[Deeps]

Hey Fin, generally I throw some ice in the glass, then I pour whatever liquor of the day im using. ( today coffee brandy ), Then i grab the mixer, ( today milk ) and pour it about one foot over the glass to try to get the best mix, then I take the straw and stir. Then I generally play eq ( today full tilt poker, but i suck so bad at poker i cant stay in a game more then 10 mins )... and um, thats how i drink. ( 'cept my fn gf shut me off, so now i cant play poker or drink... fuck... )

[xnolanx]

I like smoking 5$ blunts of mid to the dome rolled in a swisher like a good ass tight pearled out roll.. I don't really fuck with high-grade, like kush and dro and purp, but shit, the mid i can get a hold of is some pretty strong. Smoked about 0.7 of some raisin bran dro once, that was a pretty cool experience.

[mirko]

right.. ..weed affects different people differently.. ..I'll give you that. That being said, I'd get in the passenger seat with someone who was high for the first time and a 90lb girl any day of the week over someone who had been drinking and could "hold their liquor."

If you're trying to argue that smoking weed doesn't affect your response time then you are full of shit. I agree with your above statement, but if I had a choice I would probably just drive myself rather than let someone drive who is under the influence of anything.

[Minch/FureeZeb]

weed gets you high, thats for sure

[Hasbinbad]

If you're trying to argue that smoking weed doesn't affect your response time then you are full of shit. I agree with your above statement, but if I had a choice I would probably just drive myself rather than let someone drive who is under the influence of anything.
Honestly, I have never seen any evidence of that, but I wouldn't doubt it. However, if you consider that people who smoke weed generally drive slower and more defensively than your average pissed off commuter-in-a-hurry, then a very good argument could be made that less reaction time is needed.

That being said, no, that's not what I was arguing. My argument was purely anecdotal, and based on personal experience. I've been fucking SCARED in a car with someone who I didn't even really think was drunk, and not even felt a little freaked when in a car with someone who was high as shit on pot. Apples and oranges. Reaction time isn't the end-all be-all of safe driving, bub.

[Minch/FureeZeb]

autopilot is the best way to drive anyways

[Bones]

Some people can't hold their weed though, just like many people can't hold their alcohol. I've seen plenty of people I wouldn't want doing anything but sitting on a couch after smoking. Especially girls or people new to smoking.

That said, for people who do it regularly, functioning is not a problem at all no matter how baked. I drive all the time like that - never had any problems - in fact, my only wreck that was my fault - I was completely sober, it was that damn pretty girl's fault on the side of the road...

Lol so true. I love driving stoned. Its like playing NFS. In fact, I am probably much less of a threat on the road baked seeing as I stick to the right lane and go the speed limit with cruise control set. (Chewing on my fingers PRAYING TO GOD that no cop pulls up behind me, I get so paranoid.)

Driving sober? You better watch out for me on the road.. I love to weave through traffic and see how far I can get before having to cut off 75mph cruise control. (Which is why I tend to do most of my driving after a blunt or a bowl now)
Still have never got in a crash in 5 years of driving.. few speeding tickets though.

[Bones]

Don't reproduce. We don't need more retards.

Too late.

At least we can all take comfort in knowing you never will, though.

[TheDudeAbides]

Too late.

At least we can all take comfort in knowing you never will, though.

True story

[Finawin]

LOL I LIKE TO ENDANGER THE LIVES OF OTHERS LOL I IS COOL GUYS

[Agaron]

Too late.

At least we can all take comfort in knowing you never will, though.

Outch. :D

[Excision Rottun]

LOL I LIKE TO ENDANGER THE LIVES OF OTHERS LOL I IS COOL GUYS

Can't fly on one wing.

[zokur]

I eat old paint chips.






I think.







Doh I dont remember.:(


I like ice cream.

[Minch/FureeZeb]

just got some 'goowreck' today. wow (i was told its a trainwreck/afgoo hybrid)

its fuckin tasty tho

[trolleleet]

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/4677/nessyblunt.jpg

they see me swimmin, they hatin

new delivery bump!

[xnolanx]

HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!! If you seriously rolled that blunt, troll........ I want to drive to where ever you live, and shake your hand.

[trolleleet]

I wish it was :o

Amazing work tho

[Hasbinbad]

HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!! If you seriously rolled that blunt, troll........ I want to drive to where ever you live, and shake your hand.
I wish it was :o

Amazing work tho
Awww.. Guys, look! Nolan was nice to Trolle, and Trolle cuddled up to him! Maybe all we need to do is show him some love, and he'll stop being such a horrible shit!?

[Minch/FureeZeb]

holy shit troll that's pretty impressive. i wonder how well it smoked. i would have to smoke that thing in like 4 sessions i swear...

[JayDee]

It would get so resonated by the time it got to the end *hurl*. Perfect prank would be to convince your casual smoking friend to smoke the roach.

[quezink]

is a blunt like that really nessessary?

[Grento]

is a blunt like that really nessessary?

In general blunts aren't at all since they waste a bunch of green.

For celebrations, why not though.

[whitebandit]

just got an oz of some designer purps? i dont really care for names but its super yummy =p