Rogue creation points (again, sorry)

[Softcore PK]

I've decided on making a rogue alt to contrast the playstyle of my cleric, and last night I made one and put half of my points in str and half into sta (dark elf rogue). But now I'm having second thoughts about this, and feel I maybe should have gone ahead and put all my points into sta. Because str is so much easier to increase, and extra hp will ALWAYS be useful in pvp.

What exactly are the benefits of str, anyway? On live I had a very low opinion of putting points into str at creation, because the returns you got weren't all that great and again, sta is so much harder to raise via gear.

Ugh but dark elf rogues have a base str of of 60, which is very low.. I'm just so torn :(

[Samoht]

For Rogues, the benefit of STR is two-fold:

1) It raises your attack power, which as a result, raises your damage per hit, not above the cap, but the average goes closer thereto.

2) It raises your damage per backstab ever so slightly per point. Raise your STR enough, and you'll see a significant raise in BS damage.

Raising STR, Dark Elfs have an advantage over short races since they can use Hero Bracers (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=3736), but the best race for rogues is normally Barbarian because they can use Tree Weave (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=2045), too, and then use the MoD (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=1875) to turn into a Dark Elf.

For starting stats, always fall back on HBB's post (http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=2257).

STA or GTFO.

[Softcore PK]

For Rogues, the benefit of STR is two-fold:

1) It raises your attack power, which as a result, raises your damage per hit, not above the cap, but the average goes closer thereto.

2) It raises your damage per backstab ever so slightly per point. Raise your STR enough, and you'll see a significant raise in BS damage.

Raising STR, Dark Elfs have an advantage over short races since they can use Hero Bracers (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=3736), but the best race for rogues is normally Barbarian because they can use Tree Weave (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=2045), too, and then use the MoD (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=1875) to turn into a Dark Elf.

For starting stats, always fall back on HBB's post (http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=2257).

STA or GTFO.

Yes at some point I'll be wanting that bracer, and I know about the mask :P

I want to be a dark elf, not look like one. Y'know hehe? And while hasbin makes a very good point about creation stats, I'm not sure my little rogue will ever be decked out in raid gear. My cleric is my main, and I dunno if my rogue will ever even hit max level. It's hard enough leveling 1 character!

And the game doesn't start at max level, it starts at level 1. Would these 15 points in str be helpful for me as I level? At level 30, would I be a more effective rogue if I survived maybe an extra nuke in pvp, or if my backstab and melee damage were increased slightly?

Just dunno..

[Samoht]

Remember, Backstab doesn't even kick in until level 10, so the extra STR doesn't have any effect until then. Also, I basically tanked in Crushbone on my Rogue until level 16 on Blue99. STR might be a little more useful until tanks figure out how to play in the middle levels, 16-46, but then STA goes back on top because of AoEs. 30 levels where STR is better vs 30 levels where STA is better. Take your pick.

[Softcore PK]

I'm starting to lean toward sta, too. PvE doesn't really matter at all, it's easy to be an effective player no matter what. PvP is of course where things count, and in pvp the dps is usually not a constant steam of melee attacks and backstabs. It's mostly all in little bursts, and keeping that in mind the returns on str will be less than the extra hp sta gives.

hmm maybe it's time to remake my rogue :P

[Kassel]

I you make a rogue for pvp and its not a barb you did it wrong.

Also if you make your rogue for pvp perhaps you should try the PVP FORUMS.

[Harrison]

With the advent of kunark so soon on pvp (not that far away as it was for us on blue) the relative strength of maxing out your STR/STA is so much easier, so don't worry about it.

Map out your gear, stat accordingly, win.

[Softcore PK]

I you make a rogue for pvp and its not a barb you did it wrong.

Also if you make your rogue for pvp perhaps you should try the PVP FORUMS.

I'm not a min maxer, and dark elves are plenty viable in pvp. My cleric is a gnome :P

Server chat is for everyone, and the pvp and pve people all post here. I'm not saying we shouldn't talk about how the points should work in pve, just that pvp is probably a little more important for this discussion because it matters a bit more to me :)

[pickled_heretic]

the winner of rogue BoTB was a gnome, statistically the worst rogue possible tied with dark elf.

[pickled_heretic]

for that matter i think a human was the BoTB winner for SKs, so it proves that which race you are or what stats you have has very little to do with your overall effectiveness.

[EnnoiaII]

I'm not a min maxer, and dark elves are plenty viable in pvp. My cleric is a gnome :P

Server chat is for everyone, and the pvp and pve people all post here. I'm not saying we shouldn't talk about how the points should work in pve, just that pvp is probably a little more important for this discussion because it matters a bit more to me :)

PvP has its own server chat section.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=54

Therefore, Server Chat isn't for everyone, it's for the people playing on the regular Project 1999 server.

[Softcore PK]

PvP has its own server chat section.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=54

Therefore, Server Chat isn't for everyone, it's for the people playing on the regular Project 1999 server.

PvP Server Chat seems to be specifically for the goings on of that server, and some discussion of pvp. Server Chat has good info for pve stuff, and the pvp players also post here. I know I do :P

Character creation is something that happens on both servers, and I value the opinions of the blue players as much as I do the red players.

[Korisek]

~95-100+ total STR and ~95-100+ total AGI were most helpful to my rogues at the lower levels.

But that was PvE.

[Mardur]

Go barbarian, max sta.

[Kassel]

BTW i ment Barb for slam not the stas.

[pickled_heretic]

BTW i ment Barb for slam not the stas.

why would you ever use slam over backstab?