Dirty Hippies Whining For A Free Lunch

[Hasbinbad]

This thread is a place to post examples that support the idea bandied about on this thread that the Occupy movement is entirely peopled with LSD tripping, patchouli-instead-of-a-shower wearing, birkenstock-walking, pinko hippie communists bent on pulling a robin hood on America.

Joseph Eugene Stiglitz, ForMemRS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fellow_of_the_Royal_Society), FBA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Academy), (born February 9, 1943) is an American (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) economist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economist) and a professor at Columbia University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbia_University). He is a recipient of the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_Memorial_Prize_in_Economic_Sciences) (2001) and the John Bates Clark Medal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bates_Clark_Medal) (1979). He is also the former Senior Vice President and Chief Economist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Bank_Chief_Economist) of the World Bank (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Bank). He is known for his critical view of the management of globalization (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globalization), free-market economists (whom he calls "free market fundamentalists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_fundamentalism)") and some international institutions like the International Monetary Fund (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Monetary_Fund) and the World Bank (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Bank).
In 2000, Stiglitz founded the Initiative for Policy Dialogue (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initiative_for_Policy_Dialogue) (IPD), a think tank (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_tank) on international development based at Columbia University. Since 2001, he has been a member of the Columbia faculty, and has been a University Professor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_Professor_%28Columbia%29) since 2003. He also chairs the University of Manchester (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Manchester)'s Brooks World Poverty Institute (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooks_World_Poverty_Institute) and is a member of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontifical_Academy_of_Social_Sciences). Stiglitz is an honorary doctor of Durham Business School (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durham_Business_School)<sup id="cite_ref-0" class="reference">[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stiglitz#cite_note-0)</sup>, an honorary professor at Tsinghua University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsinghua_University) School of Public Policy and Management and a member of the Executive and Supervisory Committee (ESC) of CERGE-EI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CERGE-EI). Stiglitz is one of the most frequently cited economists in the world.<sup id="cite_ref-1" class="reference">[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stiglitz#cite_note-1)</sup>


http://i.imgur.com/rBWzp.jpg

Joseph Stiglitz - Dirty Hippie

[G13]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704204304574543503520372002.html

The paper, written the year after Joseph Stiglitz won the Nobel Prize for economics, concludes that "on the basis of historical experience, the risk to the government from a potential default on GSE debt is effectively zero." Their analysis has recently been making the rounds on the Web to a chorus of chortles.

[Hasbinbad]

I read until the WSJ (the ultimate in inner-party propaganda) called him "an economist named Stiglitz."

Hell, I don't know SHIT about economics, but even I know (barely) who Joseph Stiglitz is. To downplay him like that, regardless of how you feel about his message is disingenuous to the point of outright misrepresentation.

GTFO Bronson, you may be educated, but obviously you haven't learned shit.

Wake up, man.

[Shannacore]

lol

[G13]

I read until the WSJ (the ultimate in inner-party propaganda) called him "an economist named Stiglitz."

Hell, I don't know SHIT about economics, but even I know (barely) who Joseph Stiglitz is. To downplay him like that, regardless of how you feel about his message is disingenuous to the point of outright misrepresentation.

GTFO Bronson, you may be educated, but obviously you haven't learned shit.

Wake up, man.

How am I downplaying him?

He was about as wrong a person can possibly be in regards to the most important economic event any of us will ever see in our lives. Why are you now pretending like this man is beyond critique?

[Diggles]

per cent

wtf

[Harrison]

Hasbinbad has never had an original thought pop into that drug-addled mush of a brain. He just remembers stupid shit he saw on youtube while high.

[Hasbinbad]

How am I downplaying him?
Reread, only this time assume the meaning of my ambiguous statement was that the WSJ downplayed him, and the "you" was 3rd person.

Also, I'm not saying you're wrong about that.. I honestly don't know enough about it.

That being said, it doesn't make his quote in the picture in the OP any less true.

[Truth]

OKay Stiglitz was pres of world bank dont care what he has 2 say

[Truth]

haha yea I am so on the money with these goons

). At the World Bank, he served as Senior Vice President and Chief Economist (1997 – 2000), in the time when unprecedented protest against international economic organizations started, most prominently with the Seattle WTO meeting of 1999. He was fired by the World Bank for expressing dissent with its policies.[10] He was a lead author for the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

[Truth]

Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change where they caught frauding to make it seem man-mad global warming is a real thing (hint: our carbon footprint is so irrelevant)

[Tiggles]

Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change where they caught frauding to make it seem man-mad global warming is a real thing (hint: our carbon footprint is so irrelevant)

[Messianic]

One of the biggest problems is people really don't understand how screwed up the banking system in the US really is. And it's not screwed up the way the OWS people think - it's actually a very managed, controlled system that blends government and banks seamlessly by flipping basic human choice (economics) on its head, establishing a godlike figure with supreme monetary authority, and enforcing the state's currency as the ultimate arbiter.

That may sound overstated or verbose, but check this out:

http://pragcap.com/resources/understanding-modern-monetary-system

I don't agree with it as the ideal monetary system and I find it very freaking orwellian, but these people have described the US' current system very accurately (with a few exceptions). The notable exception I take with this view of the modern system is that they believe they can actually "drive" the economy with the banking system without crashing it. The history of central planning in general and centrally planning something that involves the whole money supply is a dark one. No human being is just or moral enough to deserve to control the world's money and currency in whatever way they choose, if they are even able (which I dispute).

The US doesn't operate under anywhere near the same system that the EU and everyone else use. We have the first true "fiat" currency, complete with floating exchange rates - everyone else operates under sane, reasonable systems that are still loosely connected to essential reality - i.e. you must come close to balancing your budget or risk debt crises, you must tax to obtain revenues, banks must have enough deposits to cover in case of bank runs, etc.

The US' system is not so. It is entirely experimental (past 40 years experimental, compared to other systems which are still tethered to stuff we have centuries and sometimes millenia of experience with) and most congressmen don't even realize what makes it different from the rest of the world. That's part of what makes it so dangerous. No one realizes how much power the Fed has since we closed the gold window and began issuing the world's currency. The rules of banking have literally been turned inside out, like a negative image - but somehow people aren't seeing that it's a negative. Once people realize how coercive and subject to human corruption it is, it'll probably be too late to alter it.

If this system were applied globally, the person or people at the helm would literally have the power to control the world. That's what is probably on the horizon, and OWS folks will ultimately support it because it will be sold as an entity subject to complete government regulation. They don't realize it will be virtually identical to the current banking system in the US, where the Government and the Fed work hand in glove.

You see, traditionally, individual human choice always overrides government or management. In time, it always wins - if through lots of blood and sacrifice. People defy management by an outside source intuitively, even if they absolutely desire to obey it. Eventually, systems which oppress or harm the individual at the behest of some "elite" group are overturned - and when that overturning begins, the violence of the system becomes apparent.

As is written in the link provided - "don't question the currency, or else." Countries that have tried to or successfully priced their oil in euros (a challenge to the dollar) have been met with severe hostility or even CIA attempted coups or interference in their countries.

[oblexsis]

Can we occupy GM island yet ?

[Humerox]

As is written in the link provided - "don't question the currency, or else." Countries that have tried to or successfully priced their oil in euros (a challenge to the dollar) have been met with severe hostility or even CIA attempted coups or interference in their countries.

I wrote a paper in 2004 about what was really behind the war in Iraq, and this is what it boiled down to.

The economic strength of the US is directly tied to its standing as the world's reserve currency.

In November 2000 Saddam Hussein demanded Euros for his oil.

Germany, France, and Spain were against the US invasion of Iraq. Big surprise there, because at the time the Euro was strong and replacing the dollar as the reserve currency would have caused a paradigm shift in world economics and, consequently, in power.

An OPEC switch from the dollar to the euro would bring a quick and devastating dollar and Wall Street crash that would make 1929 look like a $50 casino bet." This prediction was understood by the Clinton administration, but the Bush administration took action to boost the petrodollar.

It's coming...just a matter of time, really.

[visage]

Hasbinbad has never had an original thought pop into that drug-addled mush of a brain. He just remembers stupid shit he saw on youtube while high.

For once the fat man sounds convincing. Though I figured , figuring out hasbinbad would involve a fat chick that plays everquest. That likes to post pictures of her self less fat , after being called fat. Even tho she is fat and will remain fat. Regardless of how fat others tell her she is. Because she is infact fat. Oh and she has flings with dudes on internet forums , preferrably 12 year old games that have died out. Anyway back the the original point. I was wrong Hasbinbad figured out! Please don't go making threads about the girth of your penis , than follow it with some youtube vid you saw. Than try to assure us later your not a pervert or a cheat -(While your using MQ) and cover it up with TR- and then repute...

I drop off topic to much O well. Guess this is why it's offtopic , oops I mean rant and flames.... FUck....

[Hasbinbad]

For once the fat man sounds convincing. Though I figured , figuring out hasbinbad would involve a fat chick that plays everquest. That likes to post pictures of her self less fat , after being called fat. Even tho she is fat and will remain fat. Regardless of how fat others tell her she is. Because she is infact fat. Oh and she has flings with dudes on internet forums , preferrably 12 year old games that have died out. Anyway back the the original point. I was wrong Hasbinbad figured out! Please don't go making threads about the girth of your penis , than follow it with some youtube vid you saw. Than try to assure us later your not a pervert or a cheat -(While your using MQ) and cover it up with TR- and then repute...

I drop off topic to much O well. Guess this is why it's offtopic , oops I mean rant and flames.... FUck....
People like this on the forums, yet I am the one on drugs. lulz.

So telling that despite all of the posts I've made, the best argument they can come up with is "HASBINBAD SPOILED AND ON DRUGS HERR DERR!!"

[quido]

Hasbinbad, I think most people who could otherwise engage you in whatever sort of annoying debate actually choose not to because you are a dimwitted regurgitating turkey.

[visage]

People like this on the forums, yet I am the one on drugs. lulz.

So telling that despite all of the posts I've made, the best argument they can come up with is "HASBINBAD SPOILED AND ON DRUGS HERR DERR!!"


Rants and flames... Not the debate team based on moronic post. You posted a stupid vid in rant's and flames? That was your rant? Now we are clearly defining who you actually are. Because for the life of most people we can understand how someone can be so retarded... Now your ranting about the best argument we can come up with. Reputing the same conclusion we come up with for you , now your suggesting it to me... Cute come up with your own material bro rather than try to spin someone elses. Or can you not think for yourself? www.youtube.com and www.google.com go back to thinking you have a thought for yourself. Buddy...

[Loke]

Truth

+1, except that I don't know if I'd go as far as to say everyone else operates under a "sane and logical" banking system. It is really astounding to me how little people know or care about how the institutions they entrust their money to operate. I'd be willing to bet a vast majority of Americans have no idea what the reserve limit, discount window or even fractional reserve banking itself are, yet they deposit their paychecks into the system weekly.

[Hasbinbad]

My name is herrderremy, and I like to use ad hominem attacks on people who scare me intellectually. Then I like to make it seem like I'm cool by telling people on the internets that I'm actually very smart and am just choosing to not converse.
That's cool Jeremy, but I defy you to take one of my wall'o'texts and determine where exactly I regurgitated it from. Sure I post a lot of videos, pictures, essays, and websites that other people have created, but that part of my posting is simply intended to create awareness where there was none in the first place. Sure I post a lot of one liner ad hominem attacks as well, but those are obviously tongue in cheek; when I actually don't know enough to speak on a subject intelligently, I don't have a problem admitting that. I do my utmost not to use fallacious techniques to engage my opponents.

When I do speak on something, those are my own thoughts. Of course they are regurgitated from somewhere, as original thought is actually a fantasy since we all are simply products of a collection of perceptions and sensations, and all of our thoughts merely reactions to external stimuli. When I write, I am not directly quoting or paraphrasing, but rather drawing on my breadth of experiences to make a statement which is unique to how my brain works.

Attack what I'm saying all you want, but don't cheapen yourself by making things up that don't exist. If you don't like me, that's fine, but don't like me for something actual, not the prejudices you have about me.

[Humerox]

People like this on the forums, yet I am the one on drugs. lulz.

Ignore him like everyone else has.

[quido]

Hasbin I stopped reading your walls of text long ago - any real discourse with you comes down to you thinking you know what's best for people. I'm not frightened by you intellectually; I just see the futility of engaging you. You are too proud, too steadfast, and definitely too fucking annoying to be worthy of a real discussion.

[Hasbinbad]

Couch it however you want brew.

In the end, your voice is only heard to say "YER DUMB HERP."

I honestly thought better of you.

[Amelinda]

why are you starting all of these effing political threads? why are there so many political discussions going on - this isn't a political discussion board. i'm just curious as to why. i don't really care. but tbh i don't read the threads because all they turn out to be are a bunch of kids aged 18-26 who seem to have been brought up privlege who are stuck on the far conservative side and think everyone who receives wellfare should be put to death or something similar. it's depressing to read and you will never change their closed minds.

I don't understand people who think that way. I especially don't understand Christians...oh i'm sorry "Christians" who are against any sort of program that helps underprivleged people.

hbb there are like two people on these forums who have a remotely humanitarian leaning it seems sostarting these threads doesn't generate 'fun discussion' so much as it causes rage (at least in me) :P

you have to understand. I believe in helping out people who are in a bad place no matter what the reason they are there. i love them where they are at and hope that encourages them to improve and grow. *shrug*

[visage]

why are you starting all of these effing political threads? why are there so many political discussions going on - this isn't a political discussion board. i'm just curious as to why. i don't really care. but tbh i don't read the threads because all they turn out to be are a bunch of kids aged 18-26 who seem to have been brought up privlege who are stuck on the far conservative side and think everyone who receives wellfare should be put to death or something similar. it's depressing to read and you will never change their closed minds.

I don't understand people who think that way. I especially don't understand Christians...oh i'm sorry "Christians" who are against any sort of program that helps underprivleged people.

hbb there are like two people on these forums who have a remotely humanitarian leaning it seems sostarting these threads doesn't generate 'fun discussion' so much as it causes rage (at least in me) :P

you have to understand. I believe in helping out people who are in a bad place no matter what the reason they are there. i love them where they are at and hope that encourages them to improve and grow. *shrug*

Hey sweet baby jesus.... Where is your RL pic and your asl???

[Aadill]

why are you starting all of these effing political threads?

Amelinda it's mainly attempt at starting discourse but most people don't want to hear it because they refuse to shatter their delusions.

Personally I should have known better than to think I was going to get some sleep at the triangle, before having to work this morning, as it was Saturday night in the Glenwood South district of Raleigh. What I didn't expect was the vile nature of the noise, which seemed to reach a new peak since I have been staying there. Sure I expected the usual fanfare of "get a job hippie" but this seemed to be an intensified dynamic. Something seemed different in the air, and it took on a more hostile tone with a lot more in the way of "fuck you fucking faggots" shouted in pure anger, and in some cases rage. Just after midnight the alcohol fueled heckling seemed nearly constant as I was deciding to leave for the night. It was truly disappointing, and quite frankly disturbing, to see this failure of humanity.

I say disturbing, not because of the words themselves, but where they are coming from. They are coming from pure ignorance and spoon fed impressions handed to them by media, or other outlets designed as a means of control. They seem content on living a life of false comfort while being robbed in plain sight. They live within the bounds of a madness that they are told is freedom. After witnessing this, one would be a fool to underestimate the power of Stockholm Syndrome.

In closing I almost wonder if the reason for their response is a shattering of illusion as they pass by. Perhaps when they see us the drinking is no longer enough to numb the most uncomfortable of truths. Perhaps it is just me and I am the crazy one. Either way stay classy Glenwood South and keep shopping, everything is fine!

[Autotune]

Amelinda it's mainly attempt at starting discourse but most people don't want to hear it because they refuse to shatter their delusions.

most people don't care.

[Humerox]

most people don't care.

which is precisely the problem.

;)

[Autotune]

which is precisely the problem.

;)

is this where you wanna be when baby Jesus comes back?

[Humerox]

personally i don't believe in baby jesus.

:eek:

[Autotune]

personally i don't believe in baby jesus.

:eek:

nvm.

[Tiggles]

I only read HBB posts if they are less then 3 lines in length

[Tiggles]

why are you starting all of these effing political threads? why are there so many political discussions going on - this isn't a political discussion board. i'm just curious as to why. i don't really care. but tbh i don't read the threads because all they turn out to be are a bunch of kids aged 18-26 who seem to have been brought up privlege who are stuck on the far conservative side and think everyone who receives wellfare should be put to death or something similar. it's depressing to read and you will never change their closed minds.

I don't understand people who think that way. I especially don't understand Christians...oh i'm sorry "Christians" who are against any sort of program that helps underprivleged people.

hbb there are like two people on these forums who have a remotely humanitarian leaning it seems sostarting these threads doesn't generate 'fun discussion' so much as it causes rage (at least in me) :P

you have to understand. I believe in helping out people who are in a bad place no matter what the reason they are there. i love them where they are at and hope that encourages them to improve and grow. *shrug*


Amelinda i have disturbing news.
Im a conservative

[Ssleeve]

they turn out to be are a bunch of kids aged 18-26 who seem to have been brought up privlege who are stuck on the far conservative side and think everyone who receives wellfare should be put to death or something similar. it's depressing to read and you will never change their closed minds.

i love them where they are at and hope that encourages them to improve and grow. *shrug*

I grew up in poverty with a drug-addict mother and imprisoned father (he is serving life).

I still dislike people who live off of welfare or disability (which is far too easy to attain for minor conditions, if you have serious medical issues I'm not talking to you) for more then a few months (everyone I grew up around was and still is).

Too many people get comfortable and just stop attempting to get out of the situation and adapt to living a government enabled life in poverty.

Reminds me of parents who need to kick out their lazy young adult children to force them to grow up tbh.

[Aadill]

I grew up in poverty with a drug-addict mother and imprisoned father (he is serving life).

I still dislike people who live off of welfare or disability (which is far too easy to attain for minor conditions, if you have serious medical issues I'm not talking to you) for more then a few months (everyone I grew up around was and still is).

Too many people get comfortable and just stop attempting to get out of the situation and adapt to living a government enabled life in poverty.

Reminds me of parents who need to kick out their lazy young adult children to force them to grow up tbh.

This is my view, as well.... the problem is the blanket accusations and blind hatred that many people have concerning the general socioeconomic landscape.

[visage]

Yes oh my god you are all so correct. THANK YOU SO MUCH HASBINBAD FOR SHARING THIS AWARENESS WITH US! I Came to these forums expecting trash talk on a vid game. BUT I got so much more!!!! Who would've thunk it that project1999 rants and flames section could have such great information and intellectual talk based off you tube vids ,wikipedia and a vast majority of internet virgins! WOW We need to let every one know COME TO p99 forums thank you Rogean Nilborg , Guinepig for this outlet of intellectual discussion. It amazes me how you refrain from adding your 2 cents. The information here is just wow. Hasbinbad you sir are a God send a hero amongst forum people on these forums. Thank you for cruising youtube, wikipedia and the other known sources you frequently read and share. I don't know about you off to a great night sleep having read this !

[Autotune]

this is why people despise people on welfare

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/seattle-welfare-recipient-lives-million-dollar-home-161252749.html

[visage]

is this where you wanna be when baby Jesus comes back?

[Aadill]

I've yet to watch this but the gf said it was good:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0235327/

Near Penn Station, next to the Amtrak tracks, squatters have been living for years. Marc Singer goes underground to live with them, and films this "family." A dozen or so men and one woman talk about their lives: horrors of childhood, jail time, losing children, being coke-heads. They scavenge, they've built themselves sturdy one-room shacks; they have pets, cook, chat, argue, give each other haircuts. A bucket is their toilet. Leaky overhead pipes are a source of water for showers. They live in virtual darkness. During the filming, Amtrak gives a 30-day eviction notice.

Apparently if there was a documentary about the making of the documentary it would probably be cooler. These people willingly lived off the grid. The director lived underground for 3 months before deciding to film anything. He borrowed a camera on-loan, got some left over film stock from Kodak, and shot the entire movie using the homeless people as the tech crew. They were happy to be where they were... happy to help out with the documentary. They were enthusiastic about sharing their story, about finding means to get electricity.. they had televisions... radio.. couches. They chose to live off the grid and forsake the entire idea of being sent to a homeless shelter because it is too dangerous or live on welfare and take from the system. Not everyone abuses the system (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/seattle-welfare-recipient-lives-million-dollar-home-161252749.html).. some don't even want to be on it.

[Tiggles]

Aadil keeps mentioning his girlfriend because hes trying to make tralina jealous.

[Aadill]

shit.

[Aadill]

my girlfriend thinks you don't know what you are talking about.










my girlfriend told me to type that.

[Tiggles]

I've yet to watch this but the gf said it was good:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0235327/



Apparently if there was a documentary about the making of the documentary it would probably be cooler. These people willingly lived off the grid. The director lived underground for 3 months before deciding to film anything. He borrowed a camera on-loan, got some left over film stock from Kodak, and shot the entire movie using the homeless people as the tech crew. They were happy to be where they were... happy to help out with the documentary. They were enthusiastic about sharing their story, about finding means to get electricity.. they had televisions... radio.. couches. They chose to live off the grid and forsake the entire idea of being sent to a homeless shelter because it is too dangerous or live on welfare and take from the system. Not everyone abuses the system (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/seattle-welfare-recipient-lives-million-dollar-home-161252749.html).. some don't even want to be on it.


I go to penn station almost daily and those people always beg and ask for change.

off the grid my ass.

[Tiggles]

my girlfriend thinks you don't know what you are talking about.










my girlfriend told me to type that.


Let her go man...

[Aadill]

I go to penn station almost daily and those people always beg and ask for change.

off the grid my ass.

the federal welfare system, you dolt.

[Aadill]

Let her go man...

ahahaha <3

[Tiggles]

the federal welfare system, you dolt.

I would rather the homeless be grouped up at put somewhere so they can be safe and they can keep other people safe from them.

I have personally seen a homeless guy stab another man for his jacket near penn station in the middle of the day like it was nothing, I was sitting in traffic turn my head and boom a dude gets stabbed in the gut.

Your average homeless person is mentally ill, an addict or lazy. The stories of the hardworking down on their luck homeless man is mostly incorrect.

I bet if you offer those off the grid types an job shoveling snow or digging ditches for an honest day wages they would refuse because they accept living off public land and begging for money.

[Aadill]

I would rather the homeless be grouped up at put somewhere so they can be safe and they can keep other people safe from them.

I have personally seen a homeless guy stab another man for his jacket near penn station in the middle of the day like it was nothing, I was sitting in traffic turn my head and boom a dude gets stabbed in the gut.

Your average homeless person is mentally ill, an addict or lazy. The stories of the hardworking down on their luck homeless man is mostly incorrect.

I bet if you offer those off the grid types an job shoveling snow or digging ditches for an honest day wages they would refuse because they accept living off public land and begging for money.

I've experienced this and am well aware that by and large most fit this bill. Not everyone does, which was the entire point of my post.

[Aadill]

and, yeah, most homeless people are crazy.. the one chick in that movie was claiming her cup from mcdonalds was a priceless gift from halfway around the world.. it was thrown out and she was distraught over it. one of the guys said, "it's... a cup... from mcdonalds... you .. can get more..."

[Autotune]

and, yeah, most homeless people are crazy.. the one chick in that movie was claiming her cup from mcdonalds was a priceless gift from halfway around the world.. it was thrown out and she was distraught over it. one of the guys said, "it's... a cup... from mcdonalds... you .. can get more..."

you can get more, but it's not the same :(

[Tiggles]

I've experienced this and am well aware that by and large most fit this bill. Not everyone does, which was the entire point of my post.

Yeah, but when you have a conversation about government spending, hand outs,welfaire and almost everythign else that hasbinbad has been posting about this week it is unfair to the goal of the discussion to bring up these little miracle stories about underground homeless republicans who do civic duty while living on the streets.

They are exceptions to the rule.

I am all for helping out people in need because after the past few years everyone needs help and I'm pretty sympathetic to the occupy movement for the MOST part they are just being drug down by smelly hippies that the true meaning is being muddled.

I'm getting off track...

In short most people on welfaire do not deserve it but that does not mean that everyone on welfaire is a loaf or lazy but we just need a better reform to get rid of the parasites.

[Aadill]

you can get more, but it's not the same :(

lol that's mean :(

[Aadill]

In short most people on welfaire do not deserve it but that does not mean that everyone on welfaire is a loaf or lazy but we just need a better reform to get rid of the parasites.

That's pretty much what I want. I hope you clicked the link from that post.

[Tiggles]

That's pretty much what I want. I hope you clicked the link from that post.

I did not.

[Dfn]

it's depressing to read and you will never change their closed minds.

I don't understand people who think that way. I especially don't understand Christians...oh i'm sorry "Christians" who are against any sort of program that helps underprivleged people.

you have to understand. I believe in helping out people who are in a bad place no matter what the reason they are there. i love them where they are at and hope that encourages them to improve and grow. *shrug*

Amelinda, from my experiences most people are pretty closed minded. Don't paint it as an 18-26 conservative rich kid thing; liberals, anarchists, etc are all just as closed minded. I've gone through graduate school and worked for Congress and you would be surprised at how many professors, politicians, senior advisors, etc have no real world experience with the welfare system or its recipients. They read something on some liberal blog, hear it on msnbc, or take something out of context from political theory, and no amount of logic and evidence will change their mind.

As for the Christian comment, its just like any group. I think Christians, for the most part, are willing to go out of their way and to do what it takes in order to help people. There are a lot of drawbacks to our current system though - its hard to tell who really needs help, there is no accountability system, there is no limit to the generosity, no incentive to get off the system, and they have no control over who gets the help. Most people, Christians included, aren't going to keep giving money to someone that spends it on drugs and comes back for more.

[Hailto]

Amelinda if you think most of the people on this forum are conservative, you seriously need to take a better look.

[Dazen]

Someone needs to be held accountable and they needs to pay for me and all my kids!!
This sums up all of you OWS douchebags

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bavou_SEj1E&feature=related

[Aadill]

Indeed, from what it looks like "somebody" is a reference to one of the 3 fathers who refused to pay child support.

There is a lack of personal responsibility in this individual in terms of saying, "holy shit I should stop," yes, but you have failed to make a connection between some random youtube clip and the actual problems at hand.

[Orruar]

why are you starting all of these effing political threads? why are there so many political discussions going on - this isn't a political discussion board. i'm just curious as to why. i don't really care. but tbh i don't read the threads because all they turn out to be are a bunch of kids aged 18-26 who seem to have been brought up privlege who are stuck on the far conservative side and think everyone who receives wellfare should be put to death or something similar. it's depressing to read and you will never change their closed minds.

I don't understand people who think that way. I especially don't understand Christians...oh i'm sorry "Christians" who are against any sort of program that helps underprivleged people.

hbb there are like two people on these forums who have a remotely humanitarian leaning it seems sostarting these threads doesn't generate 'fun discussion' so much as it causes rage (at least in me) :P

you have to understand. I believe in helping out people who are in a bad place no matter what the reason they are there. i love them where they are at and hope that encourages them to improve and grow. *shrug*

There's a big difference between being a good person, helping the less fortunate out, and advocating the government take money from Group A to give it to Group B, no matter how much Group B needs it. That is simply dividing up stolen property. It's easy to be generous with other peoples' money. Hell, half of Americans don't pay any income taxes. For them to be so willing to support spreading this tax money is easy, as they have no skin in the game.

[Messianic]

Amelinda if you think most of the people on this forum are conservative, you seriously need to take a better look.

[Aadill]

There's a big difference between being a good person, helping the less fortunate out, and advocating the government take money from Group A to give it to Group B, no matter how much Group B needs it. That is simply dividing up stolen property. It's easy to be generous with other peoples' money. Hell, half of Americans don't pay any income taxes. For them to be so willing to support spreading this tax money is easy, as they have no skin in the game.

This is from 2009:

http://taxprof.typepad.com/files/jct-analysis-2009-income-tax.pdf

19% have zero income tax liability, 29% get a refundable credit, and 52% pay positive income liability.

81% pay income taxes; it's just that almost 1/3 of the nation doesn't make enough or plans ahead and pays taxes on their pay check instead of waiting till the end of the year.

[Aadill]

it's just that almost 1/3 of the nation doesn't make enough or plans ahead and pays taxes on their pay check instead of waiting till the end of the year.

or that the standard reduction is high enough to reduce their tax rates and they end up getting money back (me)

[Loke]

Amelinda, I just want you to know that even though you're a filthy socialist, we can still be friends <3.

[Seaweedpimp]

Put it in off topic you faggots

[Orruar]

This is from 2009:

http://taxprof.typepad.com/files/jct-analysis-2009-income-tax.pdf

19% have zero income tax liability, 29% get a refundable credit, and 52% pay positive income liability.

81% pay income taxes; it's just that almost 1/3 of the nation doesn't make enough or plans ahead and pays taxes on their pay check instead of waiting till the end of the year.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/story/2011-10-06/income-tax-nonpayment/50676912/1

"According to the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center in Washington, D.C., 46% of tax filers will owe no federal income tax this year. But when you figure in payroll taxes — such as those for Social Security, Medicare and unemployment — more than 80% of tax filers pay some kind of federal tax."

Note that in my post, I had specifically said income tax. The vast majority of workers (they claim 80%) pay some kind of tax like social security, medicare, etc. Not to mention all the taxes placed on payroll that business pay, most of which would end up going to the employee. But for income tax, 46% pay nothing. That doesn't mean they pay on the paycheck and then don't have to pay at the end of the year. It means their total federal income tax liability is 0.

[Aadill]

There's a big difference between being a good person, helping the less fortunate out, and advocating the government take money from Group A to give it to Group B, no matter how much Group B needs it. That is simply dividing up stolen property. It's easy to be generous with other peoples' money. Hell, half of Americans don't pay any income taxes. For them to be so willing to support spreading this tax money is easy, as they have no skin in the game.



Note that in my post, I had specifically said income tax. The vast majority of workers (they claim 80%) pay some kind of tax like social security, medicare, etc.

So what was the point of your post?

[Orruar]

So what was the point of your post?

You do realize the difference of an income tax and a social security or medicare tax, right? In theory, the latter 2 are paid on the understanding that you will reap the benefits of that money in the future. The former is used for all the Robin Hood programs.

[Autotune]

You do realize the difference of an income tax and a social security or medicare tax, right? In theory, the latter 2 are paid on the understanding that you will reap the benefits of that money in the future. The former is used for all the Robin Hood programs.

wait, so i'll be able to draw social security in 40+years?

[Awwalike]

where do I go for the free lunch?

[Nune]

where do I go for the free lunch?

Agreed, i was told there would be cake and punch, not college drop outs arguing economics with shit they copied and pasted off of Google.

[Awwalike]

Agreed, i was told there would be cake and punch, not college drop outs arguing economics with shit they copied and pasted off Google.

fixed for you bro :)

[Falisaty]

I bet if you offer those off the grid types an job shoveling snow or digging ditches for an honest day wages they would refuse because they accept living off public land and begging for money.

So true... My one and only experience with a homeless couple.. or thought they were home lees was when i saw a fairly young man and women holding a sign at a near by intersection during christmas. sign said homeless hungry will work for food. so i thought to myself i dont have anything for them to do but i do have a few extra dollars ill go buy them some food . so i went to the nearest fast food place and bought 2 combo meals and hand delivered them to the couple. The lady had a look of disgust and the male didnt even take the bag from me. only had these words to say... " y didnt you just give us the money instead of buying us food we wont eat." i didnt say a word just put his bag on the ground in front of him and left.

[Orruar]

wait, so i'll be able to draw social security in 40+years?

Theoretically? Sure. In fact, it's almost a guarantee that you'll get some kind of paper money when you retire. Whether it's worth anything is the real question.

[Hasbinbad]

Here are some of those fucking anarchists fucking shit up for everyone else:
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[Harrison]

Another video and/or copypaste proving you have no thought of your own. Not only do you leech off society, you leech opinions for lack of a fucking clue lol

[Hasbinbad]

All of you people talking about homeless people that have never gone into a community where people do not have a place to live and talked to them really need a dose of shut the fuck up.

[Aruden]

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?p=486195#post486195

[Humerox]

most Americans are a paycheck away from being homeless.

these people forget that the sub-prime BS put thousands of people on the streets...then the banks got bailed out , but a big "screw you" went to all the newly homeless.

people are still losing their homes due to the game the banks played (and got away with).

[Hasbinbad]

I really appreciate your support dude. Sometimes I get so mad at people that I lose perspective and my ability to cogently debate.

Then inevitably you and Aadill come around with a voice of clear reason.

It's encouraging.

[Humerox]

I really appreciate your support dude. Sometimes I get so mad at people that I lose perspective and my ability to cogently debate.

Then inevitably you and Aadill come around with a voice of clear reason.

It's encouraging.

i got your back, bro.

:)

[Hasbinbad]

More dirty hippies whining for a free lunch:
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[Harrison]

Who is that disgusting drug-addled slob in your avatar gyno? That ain't you bro.

[Convict]

More dirty hippies whining for a free lunch:
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I like how they grabbed random dirty hippies off the street and put "Professor of Economics" next to their name and even gave them a well written script to read from.

Oh...

[Airdefier]

This is my view, as well.... the problem is the blanket accusations and blind hatred that many people have concerning the general socioeconomic landscape.

people make blanket statements about military people "baby killers" and what not, and about cops "who werent smart enought to go to college" and that both groups are dumbed-down fucktards on a macho high.

I'm not a cop or in the military, im just making a point, it goes both ways.

[Cujoy]

I wrote a paper in 2004 about what was really behind the war in Iraq, and this is what it boiled down to...

I would be very interesting in reading your case studies and other sources of information. I study politics more as a hobby these days, but my major in college was international policy. I no longer have access to the online libraries or would probably be able to find it myself.

[Hasbinbad]

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[Hasbinbad]

^ Just more dirty hippies from Occupy Oakland.

http://i.imgur.com/xceaf.jpg

[Diggles]

that isn't occupy, that's a bunch of people after a Pyro nerf in Tf2

[engelbert]

Hasbinbad has never had an original thought pop into that drug-addled mush of a brain. He just remembers stupid shit he saw on youtube while high.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/9375/31950028227149846332410.jpg

[Hasbinbad]

That person looks to be about 2.5 toilets tall.

[Harrison]

Check out those amazing beast quads.

(and my dick)

[Hasbinbad]

Check out those amazing beast quads.
I'm not at all surprised your legs are strong.

[Diggles]

I'm not at all surprised your legs are strong.

is this the part where I say they have to be strong to support the two toilets they're holding up?

[Harrison]

Two and a half, dude.

[Hasbinbad]

is this the part where I say they have to be strong to support the two toilets they're holding up?
No it's that part where you finish my implied joke about him being fat and needing strong legs to move him about..