The real reason the population is declining is...

[Lazortag]

...because red players are inferior to blue players. I knew it the moment they started flocking to our forums after Rogean announced he might start up a red server. The inescapable truth is that classic exp and classic mechanics in general were too challenging for most of you. You can try to make all the excuses you want, but in the end the blue server is still doing very well and will always have a higher population, even though the exp rate is the same on both servers.

Blue players are much smarter and better at this game. There is probably not a single red player who is better than even the worst blue player (it's unclear who the worst blue player is, but we know it's a close fight between Xosire and Hasbinbad). This is why former VZTZ players get repeatedly dirtnapped by the bluebies that migrated over just to humiliate the red population. This is why you see constant complaining about the exp rate on the pvp forums, but never do you see anyone complain about the exp rate on the blue forums. This is why red players are mostly illiterate apes who can barely form sentences, while blue players all write extremely eloquently.

Red99's population was over 600 at its peak. The bluebies literally drove over 400 red players from this server by embarrassing them and griefing them whenever we saw them. Without your hax and your fast exp you're nothing.

[Morninx]

you sir are dumb.

[Massive Marc]

You talk as if this is the second server these users played on. Too challenging ? The mental gymnastics one has to do, to even log on is pretty daunting. It not like this is a players second or third character. Starting another char for the 10035435th time starts to lose its appeal. While I'm sure you would like to take pleasure in assuming you griefed players off the box, its probably the last reason people left.


http://www.worddazzle.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/pat-on-the-back-300x300.jpg

EDIT: And EPICS recently.

[fiegi]

I'm better then any blue/red player.

[fiegi]

My dad will agree with me also

[SanlavenTZ]

Another troll thread by someone trying to talk shit for no reason. Great community we have here.

[Slug]

...because red players are inferior to blue players. I knew it the moment they started flocking to our forums after Rogean announced he might start up a red server. The inescapable truth is that classic exp and classic mechanics in general were too challenging for most of you. You can try to make all the excuses you want, but in the end the blue server is still doing very well and will always have a higher population, even though the exp rate is the same on both servers.

Blue players are much smarter and better at this game. There is probably not a single red player who is better than even the worst blue player (it's unclear who the worst blue player is, but we know it's a close fight between Xosire and Hasinbad). This is why former VZTZ players get repeatedly dirtnapped by the bluebies that migrated over just to humiliate the red population. This is why you see constant complaining about the exp rate on the pvp forums, but never do you see anyone complain about the exp rate on the blue forums. This is why red players are mostly illiterate apes who can barely form sentences, while blue players all write extremely eloquently.

Red99's population was over 600 at its peak. The bluebies literally drove over 400 red players from this server by embarrassing them and griefing them whenever we saw them. Without your hax and your fast exp you're nothing.

Your entire post is inherently contradictory. Congrats on typing all of that, just to hear yourself talk though. Talking; that's definitely one thing blubies do better.

[Rikimeru]

Another troll thread by someone trying to talk shit for no reason. Great community we have here.

makes you wonder why the pop is declining, don't it?

[PVPBetaChamps]

Another troll thread by someone trying to talk shit for no reason. Great community we have here.

i concur, can we ban OP for fear mongering?

[Chett]

...because red players are inferior to blue players. I knew it the moment they started flocking to our forums after Rogean announced he might start up a red server. The inescapable truth is that classic exp and classic mechanics in general were too challenging for most of you. You can try to make all the excuses you want, but in the end the blue server is still doing very well and will always have a higher population, even though the exp rate is the same on both servers.

Blue players are much smarter and better at this game. There is probably not a single red player who is better than even the worst blue player (it's unclear who the worst blue player is, but we know it's a close fight between Xosire and Hasinbad). This is why former VZTZ players get repeatedly dirtnapped by the bluebies that migrated over just to humiliate the red population. This is why you see constant complaining about the exp rate on the pvp forums, but never do you see anyone complain about the exp rate on the blue forums. This is why red players are mostly illiterate apes who can barely form sentences, while blue players all write extremely eloquently.

Red99's population was over 600 at its peak. The bluebies literally drove over 400 red players from this server by embarrassing them and griefing them whenever we saw them. Without your hax and your fast exp you're nothing.

Reality is a tricky thing. And you have no clue what you are talking about.

Every single Post of yours is crap.

[Dfn]

Solution: merge servers. Enable PvP.


My god make it happen.

[oldfish]

...because red players are inferior to blue players. I knew it the moment they started flocking to our forums after Rogean announced he might start up a red server. The inescapable truth is that classic exp and classic mechanics in general were too challenging for most of you. You can try to make all the excuses you want, but in the end the blue server is still doing very well and will always have a higher population, even though the exp rate is the same on both servers.

Blue players are much smarter and better at this game. There is probably not a single red player who is better than even the worst blue player (it's unclear who the worst blue player is, but we know it's a close fight between Xosire and Hasinbad). This is why former VZTZ players get repeatedly dirtnapped by the bluebies that migrated over just to humiliate the red population. This is why you see constant complaining about the exp rate on the pvp forums, but never do you see anyone complain about the exp rate on the blue forums. This is why red players are mostly illiterate apes who can barely form sentences, while blue players all write extremely eloquently.

Red99's population was over 600 at its peak. The bluebies literally drove over 400 red players from this server by embarrassing them and griefing them whenever we saw them. Without your hax and your fast exp you're nothing.

Wow, where to start with this huge inane rant.

Ok, first im betting half the players on red have characters on blue, i personally had a 44 druid on blue.

Second im gonna bet that since alot of people did the grind already on Blue, and the "relive EQ" magic is mostly gone, they find the grind boring.

Third some of these complaints arent that they themselves think the grind is too harsh, its that its keeping fresh blood from settling on the server.

You got other great inescapable truths like that and/or great insight on why this box is losing pop?

Cuz i need my entertainment and this is better than "Player X is bad at the game because we 5v1'd him" threads.

P.S. , Lazorfag

[PVPBetaChamps]

oldfish confirmed Trolled. this is why our grandparents don't deserve to use the internet..

[oldfish]

oldfish confirmed Trolled. this is why our grandparents don't deserve to use the internet..

Im sorry, after i saw slave suggest that we should be able to loot people's bank from their corpses, Im ready for anything.

[Aprisle]

you sir are dumb.

this. hah are you kidding me? PvP requires much more skill and knowledge of the game than PvE..

[Bkab]

Wolfram griefed off the box cause he can't hang with the big dogs. It's all good pal you can now go back to hand holding and poop socking on your blue box and forever rid us of your retarded presence. Win/win

[Rikimeru]

Solution: merge servers. Enable PvP.


My god make it happen.

that would be quickest way to kill both servers

[lethdar]

...because red players are inferior to blue players. I knew it the moment they started flocking to our forums after Rogean announced he might start up a red server. The inescapable truth is that classic exp and classic mechanics in general were too challenging for most of you. You can try to make all the excuses you want, but in the end the blue server is still doing very well and will always have a higher population, even though the exp rate is the same on both servers.

Blue players are much smarter and better at this game. There is probably not a single red player who is better than even the worst blue player (it's unclear who the worst blue player is, but we know it's a close fight between Xosire and Hasinbad). This is why former VZTZ players get repeatedly dirtnapped by the bluebies that migrated over just to humiliate the red population. This is why you see constant complaining about the exp rate on the pvp forums, but never do you see anyone complain about the exp rate on the blue forums. This is why red players are mostly illiterate apes who can barely form sentences, while blue players all write extremely eloquently.

Red99's population was over 600 at its peak. The bluebies literally drove over 400 red players from this server by embarrassing them and griefing them whenever we saw them. Without your hax and your fast exp you're nothing.

trying too hard.

[Dfn]

that would be quickest way to kill both servers

And from the ashes would rise the master server.

[PVPBetaChamps]

trying too hard.

Lady Lethdar speaks, quiet scum.

http://blog.timesunion.com/rebdeb/files/2011/10/Occupy-Albany-diverse-group-listening-to-GA-on-1st-day-DSC03864-600x399.jpg

[Harrison]

I called it months and months ago. Retards can't handle our server. Beta was 10x and you drooling imbeciles still bawwed like bitches.

Confirmed, wannabe pvpers can't hang.

[HippoNipple]

I called it months and months ago. Retards can't handle our server. Beta was 10x and you drooling imbeciles still bawwed like bitches.

Confirmed, wannabe pvpers can't hang.

Our server? What's your in game name?

[PVPBetaChamps]

Our server? What's your in game name?

Fat

[Amuk]

Best killshot of Wolfram this box was him dueling me in sro thinking a rogue can't do shit to a bard - sticking him with a spinebreak and coining his ass. <3

[PVPBetaChamps]

post log/ss for my sig???

[Amuk]

No didn't ss it sry cast, had a good one on Secrets box of Wolf running around lost in Upper guk while i camped evil eye, dotted him while he spammed pls dont im lost lool.

[Amuk]

<3 wolf u aint superior to the shits I take

[Zalaerian]

Solution: merge servers. Enable PvP.


My god make it happen.

[engelbert]

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engelbert must be hungry!

[Slave]

The reason the population is declining is that way too many adventurers took arrows to the knee.

Also no teams = total failure.

[Doublestep]

The reason the population is declining is that way too many adventurers took arrows to the knee.

Also no teams = total failure.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/photos/images/original/000/155/594/yesitis2.gif?1318992465

[stormlord]

I'll tell ya why population is lower.

Anybody with 70 iq or above can understand.

Everything else being equal, PvP massively slows down progression on the red server. Like it or not, progression is the bread and butter of RPGs. PvPers like to talk smack and pretend they're in an alternate universe. But they're not. Players come here to this red server and find that they're getting their a** handed to them by others and their experience bar keeps going backwards. They note that they level up faster on blue and ask themselves WTF are they wasting their time on this red server for if not for some sort of reward? Where is the risk AND reward if the red server is too heavily leaning towards risk? It's out of balance.

The "risks" on this pvp server (everything else being equal):
1) You die in pvp and lose experience
2) You get killed by other players; not just NPCs
3) You're anon and others cannot see your level/class; to protect yourself
4) More often than not, you do not group with other guilds; again, to protect yourself

The rewards:
1) In theory, PvPers feel PvP is the only reward they need

The problem is that PvPers cannot survive solely on killing other players. Furthermore, a lot of players join pvp-servers with PvE in mind. In fact, industry-wide, most players are PvE, not PvP.

Boost the reward and it will get better. Must compensate for increased risk.

Just imagine that the red server is a much more difficult zone than the normal blue zones. The creatures inside are as smart as humans and even grief. To compensate for the increased difficulty, the developers increase the reward by upping the experience rate or some other progression-related variable (like named spawn rate).

[Doublestep]

make it so if i wipe for a boss encounter i just lose the loot, not the loot and 15 hours of grinding

[Zalaerian]

The problem is that PvPers cannot survive solely on killing other players. Furthermore, a lot of players join pvp-servers with PvE in mind. In fact, industry-wide, most players are PvE, not PvP.

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I beg to differ. We were content with sitting on Nihilum's corpses all last night even if there was no dragon to be slewn.

[Humerox]

The "risks" on this pvp server (everything else being equal):
1) You die in pvp and lose experience
2) You get killed by other players; not just NPCs
3) You're anon and others cannot see your level/class; to protect yourself
4) More often than not, you do not group with other guilds; again, to protect yourself

The rewards:
1) In theory, PvPers feel PvP is the only reward they need



Sounds logical Storm...but it's not true.

1) PvP XP loss is so negligible that it doesn't matter. The fact is, most casters are going to scream about it because it keeps them from rushing. (Small deterrent that it is, it works)

2) Anyone that logs into red knows this, c'mon.

3) The LFG problem is real. If Nilbog and team could somehow enable the LFG tool that would rock. Otherwise, people need to use the IRC LFG chat that has been set up for them.

4) Guilds are grouping with all kinds of other guilds. In fact, most guilds are friendly with each other. And any guild you join will tell you what guilds to watch out for.


I don't know what kind of PvPers really believe PvP is their only reward, unless they are an unsociable soloing psychopath. (I just described quite a few reds that played emu and are no longer here)

PvE is heavily tied into PvP. You have to do one to do the other - unless the game itself is completely destroyed by making XP so easy you can level to 50 in 5 days, allowing people to once again blow past what is the most fun PvP in the game...mid-level PvP.

The server is stable. What anyone with an IQ of 70 can understand is that no one new is going to join with all the doom and gloom posts going on. Give it a rest, people.



*

[PVPBetaChamps]

I beg to differ. We were content with sitting on Nihilum's corpses all last night even if their was no dragon to be slewn.

nothin better than watching a pve'er struggle to pve, except watching a pve'er struggle to pvp wanting to pve

HEH HEH HEH

[Tombom]

Lol I love wolfhams logic,

You guise cannot afford to spend 14 hours a day slaying the same dark blue mobs you did when you were 11 in order to get from lvl 28 to 29 and a half you must be bad at game.

Lazerfag was griefed off of red by the Heroes of B$ in the qeynos massacre.

His fat friend harryson will not stop foaming from his kfc filled mouth about "our server" dude name 1 person who likes you and is not 1) your alt or 2) downsyndrome/gay?

fat mad bad fagbag

[Shrubwise]

ITT: dead horse is dead, due to beating.

[Chett]

snip - or 2) downsyndrome/gay? - snip

Then u both would be big friends, bra.

[Lazortag]

Oh look, the typical red player response: making shit up:

Wolfram griefed off the box cause he can't hang with the big dogs. It's all good pal you can now go back to hand holding and poop socking on your blue box and forever rid us of your retarded presence. Win/win

How could I have been griefed off the box if I still play?



Lazerfag was griefed off of red by the Heroes of B$ in the qeynos massacre.


I still play and I'm much higher leveled than you. Your guild was dead a month ago.

Best killshot of Wolfram this box was him dueling me in sro thinking a rogue can't do shit to a bard - sticking him with a spinebreak and coining his ass. <3

It was a 6v1, and you took 1 gold 6 silver off of me. Is that a lot of money to you?

To the rest of you: your rage sustains me.

[billyinorganic]

NICE TRY AT TROLLING

[Doors]

Server population sucks for a lot of reasons but mainly because of:

No global ooc
Means no groups for lowbies
No yellow text
Free for all PvP rules

But the main reason the server suffers is actually Holocaust. Here's a group of people that have been playing together for years on pvp servers and the majority of them are known cheaters, users of Showeq, mq, etc. Their sole objective here is to grief other people and block others from leveling/getting items. Not everyone is a stone cold mother fucker like me, so not everyone can handle this. My middle name however is 'get shit done' so I can cope with the zerg of bads that need to band together in order to accomplish anything here.

Hate to admit it but Wormocht was right back in April. This server should have been teams to negate the regulars of Holocaust from destroying, yet again, another pvp server. One that will realistically be the last attempt at classic EQ pvp.

[Doors]

Also epics got released on blue the day Nihilum got fucking smashed in solb and sapped like 15-20 people away.

[inimegalg]

I'll tell ya why population is lower.

Anybody with 70 iq or above can understand.

Everything else being equal, PvP massively slows down progression on the red server. Like it or not, progression is the bread and butter of RPGs. PvPers like to talk smack and pretend they're in an alternate universe. But they're not. Players come here to this red server and find that they're getting their a** handed to them by others and their experience bar keeps going backwards. They note that they level up faster on blue and ask themselves WTF are they wasting their time on this red server for if not for some sort of reward? Where is the risk AND reward if the red server is too heavily leaning towards risk? It's out of balance.

The "risks" on this pvp server (everything else being equal):
1) You die in pvp and lose experience
2) You get killed by other players; not just NPCs
3) You're anon and others cannot see your level/class; to protect yourself
4) More often than not, you do not group with other guilds; again, to protect yourself

The rewards:
1) In theory, PvPers feel PvP is the only reward they need

The problem is that PvPers cannot survive solely on killing other players. Furthermore, a lot of players join pvp-servers with PvE in mind. In fact, industry-wide, most players are PvE, not PvP.

Boost the reward and it will get better. Must compensate for increased risk.

Just imagine that the red server is a much more difficult zone than the normal blue zones. The creatures inside are as smart as humans and even grief. To compensate for the increased difficulty, the developers increase the reward by upping the experience rate or some other progression-related variable (like named spawn rate).


Not sure if serious? Red had a 25% xp bonus for over a week, pop didn't increase by much, if anything went down more... and for all that said it was the holiday's.. we were at 160 pop about an hr ago and its jan 3rd.

[fiegi]

Server population sucks for a lot of reasons but mainly because of:

No global ooc
Means no groups for lowbies
No yellow text
Free for all PvP rules

But the main reason the server suffers is actually Holocaust. Here's a group of people that have been playing together for years on pvp servers and the majority of them are known cheaters, users of Showeq, mq, etc. Their sole objective here is to grief other people and block others from leveling/getting items. Not everyone is a stone cold mother fucker like me, so not everyone can handle this. My middle name however is 'get shit done' so I can cope with the zerg of bads that need to band together in order to accomplish anything here.

Hate to admit it but Wormocht was right back in April. This server should have been teams to negate the regulars of Holocaust from destroying, yet again, another pvp server. One that will realistically be the last attempt at classic EQ pvp.

We would be banned then bro if this were the case.

Move along

[Doors]

In the past you actually have been, so thanks for reinforcing what I have claimed.

[fiegi]

In the past you actually have been, so thanks for reinforcing what I have claimed.

Nope never have been banned before or know of any holocaust member that I have been playing with since Live have either

Just better players.

Move along

[Lazortag]

Nope never have been banned before.

Move along

Well some holocaust members have been punished for hacks on past servers, that's just a fact. Like Acarer who was suspended on blue99 for two weeks.

[fiegi]

Well some holocaust members have been punished for hacks on past servers, that's just a fact. Like Acarer who was suspended on blue99 for two weeks.

Don't even know who that is to be honest. And i'm sure i'm in the low % who have never been banned on any server. My orignal reply was saying if ppl were hacking in the guild they would of been caught by Rogeans shit.

[oldfish]

1) PvP XP loss is so negligible that it doesn't matter. The fact is, most casters are going to scream about it because it keeps them from rushing. (Small deterrent that it is, it works)


Wait, so PVP xp loss is so negligible, that people dont care about it, but yet it prevents them from dying over and over because of the xp loss sting.

Im loving the logic here.

This is like some redneck complaining about lazy immigrants taking all the jobs.

[Rikimeru]

a good start to improving server population would be to quit making the server look like its full of douchebag asshats, aka all of you stfu and quit fighting on the forums. there is a pvp server for that!!!!!

[Dfn]

Wait, so PVP xp loss is so negligible, that people dont care about it, but yet it prevents them from dying over and over because of the xp loss sting.

Im loving the logic here.

This is like some redneck complaining about lazy immigrants taking all the jobs.


Are you retarded or just slow? You've been spouting this same crap for 3 months and you've been wrong every single time. You are the only person on the planet that thinks EXP loss is too much right now.

FACT: PvP exp loss implemented to deter bind rushing, give meaning to death
FACT: PvP exp loss is so minor it is negligible and is largely ignored

[Rikimeru]

Are you retarded or just slow? You've been spouting this same crap for 3 months and you've been wrong every single time. You are the only person on the planet that thinks EXP loss is too much right now.

FACT: PvP exp loss implemented to deter bind rushing, give meaning to death
FACT: PvP exp loss is so minor it is negligible and is largely ignored

pvp exp loss is stupid. guess what, some people are going to bind rush no matter what. you are just punishing everyone for something that a few will do either way.

[Doors]

Exp loss on pvp death isn't even a factor please stop complaining about losing 3%.

[Rikimeru]

Exp loss on pvp death isn't even a factor please stop complaining about losing 3%.

maybe not when your some fucking basement dweller with all the time in the world, but some of us have actual jobs and lives that limit our playtime, so 3% is a big deal.

[SearyxTZ]

This is why you see constant complaining about the exp rate on the pvp forums, but never do you see anyone complain about the exp rate on the blue forums

What a great observation!

Thanks for setting me up - I'll take it from here. No, really. Thanks buddy. Yep, I'll just take that microphone. Just head on to the back now. That way - yep.

Everyone, let's get a big round of applause for Lazortag! He sure writes eloquently, doesn't he?


Now that we've got to the meat and potatoes of the problem, I'd like to take it one step farther. See, the reason blue players don't complain about exp and red players do is explained fully in a recent study I conducted. Turns out, there are some very distinct differences between the average "bluebie" and a veteran red server player.

On average, most red server players:

Have actual jobs
Don't live with their parents
Have had sex at least once
Don't want to PvE for 300 hours just to get a meal ticket to PvP
Preferred global chat channels over lonely "immersion"
Are 99.7% better at PvP

[oldfish]

Are you retarded or just slow? You've been spouting this same crap for 3 months and you've been wrong every single time. You are the only person on the planet that thinks EXP loss is too much right now.

FACT: PvP exp loss implemented to deter bind rushing, give meaning to death
FACT: PvP exp loss is so minor it is negligible and is largely ignored

The poll i made was something like 65% - 35%, im hardly "the only person on the planet" that thinks it was a bad idea.

You are just trolling because i dont agree with you.

I simply underlined that his statement was logically wrong. If people dont care about xp loss, then its not a deterrent.

It is a deterrent, people who like XP death just dont want to admit it for whatever reason. Its also a deterrent to fun, action-filled pvp, except for people who want to use the mechanic to control who gets to poopsock when. So now you got this low ass pop of basement dweller poopsockers. Like, those 130 people that were online on New Year's eve.

Ok now IM trolling, well, somewhat.

[Humerox]

Wait, so PVP xp loss is so negligible, that people dont care about it, but yet it prevents them from dying over and over because of the xp loss sting.

Im loving the logic here.

This is like some redneck complaining about lazy immigrants taking all the jobs.

Don't ask me why bro, but it has something to do with truth and perception and all that jazz. I was never a psych major so...

I don't cry about w/e piddly little PvP loss there is, and people that I've fought will tell you I come at them with np. At 20 I don't think I qualify in the poopsocker department either, lol.

[oldfish]

Don't ask me why bro, but it has something to do with truth and perception and all that jazz. I was never a psych major so...

I don't cry about w/e piddly little PvP loss there is, and people that I've fought will tell you I come at them with np.

Its not logical, if people dont care about xp loss, its not a deterrent.

They cant be both at the same time, its simple.

[fiegi]

What a great observation!

Thanks for setting me up - I'll take it from here. No, really. Thanks buddy. Yep, I'll just take that microphone. Just head on to the back now. That way - yep.

Everyone, let's get a big round of applause for Lazortag! He sure writes eloquently, doesn't he?


Now that we've got to the meat and potatoes of the problem, I'd like to take it one step farther. See, the reason blue players don't complain about exp and red players do is explained fully in a recent study I conducted. Turns out, there are some very distinct differences between the average "bluebie" and a veteran red server player.

On average, most red server players:

Have actual jobs
Don't live with their parents
Have had sex at least once
Don't want to PvE for 300 hours just to get a meal ticket to PvP
Preferred global chat channels over lonely "immersion"
Are 99.7% better at PvP

[lethdar]

Server confirmed dead because I have too much work/school to be online every day.

WIPE IT CLEAN.

[SearyxTZ]

One more thing.

The inescapable truth is that classic exp and classic mechanics in general were too challenging for most of you.

Challenging, you say.

I'd love to hear what part of "classic exp" is challenging. Would that be auto-attacking the 500th gnoll in the same boring zone, by yourself, so you can get that final tick of exp to level to 10?

What other hobbies do you have pose this kind of challenge? Maybe a staring contest with a doll? See how long you can watch paint dry before you fall asleep?

[Darwoth]

or perhaps it is inconsequental during the course of standard not die a dozen times in ten minutes play and starts to add up when you decided to throw your corpse at the enemy as quickly as you can respawn?

i know you have posted that you want to be able to get killed 15 times during the course of an evening of "pvp" and have it mean nothing, but most everyone else, even the shitty warcrafter types try not to dirtnap instead of rushing headlong into it like a retard.

[Darwoth]

took me around 9 days played to get 50, folks whining about "im level 10 after 6 and a half years of playing" are both stupid and melodramatic, even most casuals are in their mid 30s now if they started on launch.

[Humerox]

Its not logical, if people dont care about xp loss, its not a deterrent.

They cant be both at the same time, its simple.

And there it is.

XP loss is a deterrent, but it shouldn't be because it's negligible. Why people even cry about it I have no clue...but listening to them you'd think it was a big deal.

So...it works...but it shouldn't. Go figure.

[oldfish]

or perhaps it is inconsequental during the course of standard not die a dozen times in ten minutes play and starts to add up when you decided to throw your corpse at the enemy as quickly as you can respawn?

i know you have posted that you want to be able to get killed 15 times during the course of an evening of "pvp" and have it mean nothing, but most everyone else, even the shitty warcrafter types try not to dirtnap instead of rushing headlong into it like a retard.

Thats exactly what i want, if a group killed me to take my spot at 2am in the morning, and its 4v1 and im bored and theres nothing else to do, i should be able to go back there and guerilla harass them as long as i want.

You know, like it was on Rallos.

Or maybe i should get a yellow or 2 of xp loss and decide this just isnt fun and quit the server. Im betting this happened to many people that just didnt leave any feedback on the forum.

[SearyxTZ]

took me around 9 days played to get 50, folks whining about "im level 10 after 6 and a half years of playing" are both stupid and melodramatic, even most casuals are in their mid 30s now if they started on launch.

Most casuals just aren't playing at all because no one wants to spend 216 hours watching paint dry.

[Dfn]

Most casuals just aren't playing at all because no one wants to spend 216 hours watching paint dry.

Then don't play everquest.

[SearyxTZ]

In between troll threads like this and Rogean not even posting in this forum, I'm officially bitter.

[Lazortag]

...
On average, most red server players:

Have actual jobs
Don't live with their parents
Have had sex at least once
...


Actually it was proven in a recent Yale study that blue players, in addition to being better at eq, are also better looking and have better paying jobs.

[SearyxTZ]

Turn on global channels + increase exp = server success

[SearyxTZ]

Actually it was proven in a recent Yale study that blue players, in addition to being better at eq, are also better looking and have better paying jobs.

You're reading the chart upside down. =(

[Humerox]

Nice troll btw, Wolf! Stirred 'em up a bit.

If Wolf was griefed off teh server...why has he been playing? Now that's not logical.

[HippoNipple]

Thats exactly what i want, if a group killed me to take my spot at 2am in the morning, and its 4v1 and im bored and theres nothing else to do, i should be able to go back there and guerilla harass them as long as i want.

You know, like it was on Rallos.

Or maybe i should get a yellow or 2 of xp loss and decide this just isnt fun and quit the server. Im betting this happened to many people that just didnt leave any feedback on the forum.

Oldfish, I get what you are saying, I really do. Experience punishment is a substitute to item loot because there are a large amount of PvE players here. 100% pvpers should want 1 item loot, coin loot, and nothing else, but there isn't a player base for that. People that pay 24/7 need the PvE aspect, which need tanks, which need items, which can't be getting ganked non stop. They also need the ability to win a camp and continue on with their PvE without having you backstab them all night forcing them to play your game and not theirs.

Rallos was by far the best server for a cashual player that wanted pure pvp, but as time went on and expansions started happening it was harder and harder to progress pve wise, and the people that wanted some pve were not getting it as much as they wanted.

Right now the majority of the population fall into two groups. One group wants to PvE and be dominant by forcefully taking the PvE content and the other group wants to grief that player base. Think of the second group as another PvE hurdle for the first group that can end up being much smarter and tougher then a mob.

There is a small percentage that fall into your category of people that want to play very cashual, gank someone, and take their item.

[oldfish]

Im not really sure xp loss is a replacement because most people were running around mostly in no drop gear. At least casters were.

its really sad that they chose to migrate this poopsock shit over to red. It could have snowballed into something much bigger if it was a pvp fest and people were havin fun. I could honestly see this server pass the 1k bar if people were having pvp fests when it launched. People just hit the PVE xp wall and without PVP action happening because of xp loss deterrent, realized its just a blue server with a twist and got bored and quit. Then its just a pop downward spiral as more people get bored.

Im sure most people on Rallos didnt complain about "FUCK THIS SHIT, I CANT PVE, BECAUSE SOMEONE IS PVPING ME OVER AND OVER", they were too busy getting high and pvping all nite. Thats why it took so long to level, cuz of the pvp fests, which were fun.

Here you have the poopsockers race to 50 with touching pvp as little as they can then argue for xp loss so they can keep that edge on the gear grind, which theyll never lose. So boring.

Again i might be completely wrong but i think thats what happened.

[Bkab]

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/9750/heyarnoldhatersgonnahat.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/72/heyarnoldhatersgonnahat.jpg/)

[Darwoth]

You know, like it was on Rallos.



and people like you are why rallos sucked and everyone that was anyone on the server moved to sz when it came out.

[Doors]

The grind wouldn't be so bad if actual groups existed for lower level players and people who wanted to play something other than a necro/shaman/druid/mage.

Every single person I know playing a melee or hybrid is only doing so because they are getting power leveled and handed gear from their guild or friends. Since this obviously isn't the case for everyone, most casual players and bluebs that migrated over to check out a pvp box have thrown in the towel already.

[oldfish]

and people like you are why rallos sucked and everyone that was anyone on the server moved to sz when it came out.

http://i.usatoday.net/tech/_photos/2011/06/24/LulzSec-hacks-Ariz-state-police-computers-CK6EC49-x-large.jpg

[Darwoth]

anyone with an ounce of common sense and a passing familiarity with the game should have known that a melee on a new server with a few hundred players would not make a good first character, even moreso if that person does not have a guild and the server is a pvp server.

[Harrison]

Then don't play everquest.

[fiegi]

Doors' tears are eerily similar to abacab

[ZEROSUM]

9 days /played for 50 is 5 and 1/2 40-hour work weeks, there is no wonder why people get burnt out?

@OP Sorry pal, killing mobs designed to be defeated isn't difficult or entertaining. Bluebies have never been good at anything involving PvP, I seem to recall the oft used cop out "durp EQ wusnt made 4 pvp".

[Doors]

Typical generic forum insult because I have no creativity.

[Darwoth]

9 days /played for 50 is 5 and 1/2 40-hour work weeks, there is no wonder why people get burnt out?


nobody said you had to do it as quickly as possible, 9 days played time is the average time it takes to go from 1 - 50, which isnt that bad really.

[ZEROSUM]

I need everything given to me because I am too lazy to work for it myself

[fiegi]

quoting someone then switching the words is new and creative

[bennyrz]

guy who started this thread is the biggest fuckin bluebie

[Bones]

Doors' tears are eerily similar to abacab
He may be tearing up but that doesn't mean what he said is incorrect.

[Slave]

100% pvpers should want 1 item loot, coin loot, and nothing else, but there isn't a player base for that.

I think that the truth lies very much to the contrary of this statement. There is just absolutely nothing out there for the hardcore PvP crowd anymore... Shadowbane has been shut down, Darkfall was dead on arrival, UO lives only in our fondest memories. EVE is not fantasy nor avatar-driven. It is not satisfying for many. It also costs $.

Everquest is so intensely intensive that it really should be ground zero for this disenfranchised group... but we have no ruleset that would support a hardcore PvP lifestyle. Really the one main way I can possibly think of to implement that would be through 1 item loot, and that is problematic because of other arcane mechanics that make item loot a very mixed bag, such as No Drop item tags and pure caster abilities.

-No Drop causes the entire server to overvalue a smaller subset of the total items in the game, leading to a far more limited experience.

-The Caster Problem is that they are able to be effective while still being naked, and risking nothing.

I have proposed what I feel to be extremely well-considered fixes to these issues, things that really rub most of the blue crowd here the completely wrong way... one sure sign that these suggestions are a sure way to attract the (absolutely gigantic and looking for the next big thing) PvP crowd.

-Remove the No Drop tag. It's Classic, and that's about the only thing that it has ever had going for it.

-Allow 1 item loot from all worldly possessions of an in-range victim, including banked items but excluding melee-only weapons.

And that's it. A little something to keep the players here once they arrive, like prearranged, hard-coded teams, and they'll have the home they have always been searching for. Honestly I rather doubt the servers could handle the kind of immense player load this type of PvP-oriented server would bring.

[Doublestep]

-Remove the No Drop tag. It's Classic, and that's about the only thing that it has ever had going for it.



WHAT IS THIS, FIRIONA VIE 99?

[Slave]

WHAT IS THIS, FIRIONA VIE 99?

It's an arbitarily limiting mechanic that prevents Item Loot from being all that it could be.

Oh, wait, I mean...

THIS IS ZEK!! *kicks people into a pit*

[Doublestep]

give me SZ or give me Discord

[Slave]

give me SZ or give me Discord

SZ had some very advantageously hardcore mechanics going for it that were seemingly not considered for R99:

No Play Nice Policy: players are more invested in a game they can feel like they can make a difference in, as opposed to being constantly hobbled by some fairyland ruleset that causes GMs to come rushing to the aid of the bluest of the players. Take care of business yourself or GTFO.

No Artificially Limiting Level Range for PvP: God, this just makes no real sense. You have a plethora of problems that come along with it, such as OOR healers, groups haphazardly engaging, exploiting the utterly nonintuitive system.

Last but not least, Teams: gave players something bigger than themselves to be a part of without the punishment of having to be in a (dumbfoundingly stupid) player-run guild. Teams fomented grouping, PvP, and most of all, community.

[billyinorganic]

Server population sucks for a lot of reasons but mainly because of:

No global ooc
Means no groups for lowbies
No yellow text
Free for all PvP rules

But the main reason the server suffers is actually Holocaust. Here's a group of people that have been playing together for years on pvp servers and the majority of them are known cheaters, users of Showeq, mq, etc. Their sole objective here is to grief other people and block others from leveling/getting items. Not everyone is a stone cold mother fucker like me, so not everyone can handle this. My middle name however is 'get shit done' so I can cope with the zerg of bads that need to band together in order to accomplish anything here.

Hate to admit it but Wormocht was right back in April. This server should have been teams to negate the regulars of Holocaust from destroying, yet again, another pvp server. One that will realistically be the last attempt at classic EQ pvp.

Every time i read your posts i imagine a pair of wet...... wait this aint rant and flames nm.

[LizardNecro]

No Play Nice Policy: players are more invested in a game they can feel like they can make a difference in, as opposed to being constantly hobbled by some fairyland ruleset that causes GMs to come rushing to the aid of the bluest of the players. Take care of business yourself or GTFO.

+1

This is why I abandoned my blue character and joined SZ on launch. Best EQ decision I ever made!

[bennyrz]

-Remove the No Drop tag. It's Classic, and that's about the only thing that it has ever had going for it.

-Allow 1 item loot from all worldly possessions of an in-range victim, including banked items but excluding melee-only weapons.

do this, and allow shit talk in public, please.

[Slave]

+1

This is why I abandoned my blue character and joined SZ on launch. Best EQ decision I ever made!

Let me tell you a true tale of Sullon Zek:

-I was in the Oasis with maybe the first character I ever made there, healing up on the dock with some others of my team.

-Along comes a deeply red enemy caster who proceeded to cast 1 horrifyingly devastating AOE on the lot of us.

-Everyone tries to run away, screaming and in flames as 5 or 6 people die instantly.

I played Sullon Zek for over a year after that; it was probably the coolest thing I'd ever experienced in ANY game up to that point.

[Chronoburn]

The first MMO experience I had was SZ. 10 years later, I'm still looking for that same experience. I'm coming to terms now that it will never be replicated.

[Slave]

The first MMO experience I had was SZ. 10 years later, I'm still looking for that same experience. I'm coming to terms now that it will never be replicated.

I swear, every time I post something about SZ about 3 or 4 veterans of the server chime in. Keep the faith... the developers here can be stubborn but they don't seem to be completely devoid of reason and critical thought.

[ZEROSUM]

[00:22] <TRUNDLEeee> JailBaitGallery.com is just awful site
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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/70/Apple-II.jpg/450px-Apple-II.jpg

[Vile]

man o man

[Littlegyno 6.0]

Man o man

[oldfish]

-Remove the No Drop tag. It's Classic, and that's about the only thing that it has ever had going for it.


Most people on Rallos rolled with additional gear on top of their no drop gear. No drop was just the threshold where you couldnt drop under gear wise. I think this is unnecessarily harsh. People would still get gear from other players without removing the no drop tag.


-Allow 1 item loot from all worldly possessions of an in-range victim, including banked items but excluding melee-only weapons.


Thats the stupidest idea ive seen on this server, ever, barring adding jet skis.

Im trying to find a way to not be insulting and comment on this, but im failing.

Heres something as far fetched but less stupid, just for reference: Make the banker as hard as a Dragon, and let players choose 6 items from players bank if they kill him. Will get a heavy faction drop from doing this.

[Nirgon]

You know there's a server without penalties involving pvp death


**** THE FUCKING BLUE SERVER ****

There is no pvp there and as a result NO PVP PENALTY.

It's like going to a beautiful island vacation, for as long as you want to play there if you are so inclined.

For me it was like being a 200lb rottweiler in a fucking chihuahua cage.

Want free buffs at EC tunnel? Gear in the 50-100pp range that will make your life a thousand times easier? Go play there! You can even roll a healer and group with people wearing fungis, 12+dmg rogue piercers, tstaffs, the works! It's so "pleasurable" and easy.


Now for the people that want a more raw, classic PvP experience? Come on down. But, applying common sense here...

You're just starting:
A: You have friends coming with you with similar play times -> Roll a classes that while be weaker soloing duo well.
B: You have *many* friends coming along -> have some discussion about your play times and if it lines up, roll a balanced group. If you're brave, have it be a balanced melee group.
C: You are coming by yourself and completely retarded-> roll a melee, complain about server "decline", "hard" xp and "pvp penalties".

This isn't a server yet for the clueless or casual/solo melee player.

I've read enough of these stupid theory threads. (Let's keep bumping them too)

What I see here is the result of the modern MMO "community (lol fucking right sure)" crying about classic Everquest. Completely expected.

When the market is flooded with cheap items and if/when your more dedicated friends are willing to power level you and protect you from pvp until max level, I'm sure you will enjoy it more.

Until then? We're getting what the top guilds on blue have always wanted, uncontested raid spawns.




Thats the stupidest idea ive seen on this server

The stupidest ideas typically come from the masses of WoW or wtfever players (who should be going to Star Wars by now?) who claim to know what's good for a classic pvp server, when it suits their interests. There's tons of them, I think it would be a 600 way tie for stupidest idea, because really, each of them has explored the depths of stupidity far enough I care not to venture.

/Harrison off

See you on the court.

[bennyrz]

Thats the stupidest idea ive seen on this server, ever, barring adding jet skis.
Im trying to find a way to not be insulting and comment on this, but im failing

So you say an idea is stupid, but can't say how? so what your really saying is "im the typical 24/7 raiding type and I don't want my precious gear looted from people who are more skilled then me", just trying to clarify.
I see you fail to suggest a non-sarcastic alternative which further reinforces that you are nothing but a filthy bluebie.

[Humerox]

now what about eq pvp truly involves skill?

it's gear, pot, level and clickie centric.

lets say i'm in unrest as a 20 wizzie...and a 24 or 26 wizzie pops in and decides to nuke me? what amount of skill will save me? if i'm not close enough to a zoneline where i can use the "plug" skill...i'm gonna lose.

same thing goes for the rubicite bp - wearing 23 warrior. unless i have the "oor healer he didn't expect" skill, and i'm not close enough to the zoneline to use the "plug" skill...i'm gonna lose my nice robe to make a twink richer while i get to use the "QQ" skill.

item loot is not going to help bring people in, and only the truly hardened could put up with it in the current economy. i could...i'd play no matter what the ruleset is...but what casual in his right mind would?

not to mention that it would ruin any semblance of anti-pk...which is what helps balance the server and makes it fun. everyone would have to pk just to stay ahead of the curve.

[Lazortag]

Guys, "Slave" is actually Wehrmacht, please don't respond to anything he says.

[oldfish]

So you say an idea is stupid, but can't say how? so what your really saying is "im the typical 24/7 raiding type and I don't want my precious gear looted from people who are more skilled then me", just trying to clarify.
I see you fail to suggest a non-sarcastic alternative which further reinforces that you are nothing but a filthy bluebie.

Ok, so you think that looting banked items from corpses of players is a good idea? Care to explain why?

[Rushmore]

You're just starting:
A: You have friends coming with you with similar play times -> Roll a classes that while be weaker soloing duo well.
B: You have *many* friends coming along -> have some discussion about your play times and if it lines up, roll a balanced group. If you're brave, have it be a balanced melee group.
C: You are coming by yourself and completely retarded-> roll a melee, complain about server "decline", "hard" xp and "pvp penalties".

This isn't a server yet for the clueless or casual/solo melee player.

I've read enough of these stupid theory threads. (Let's keep bumping them too)

What I see here is the result of the modern MMO "community (lol fucking right sure)" crying about classic Everquest. Completely expected.

When the market is flooded with cheap items and if/when your more dedicated friends are willing to power level you and protect you from pvp until max level, I'm sure you will enjoy it more.

Until then? We're getting what the top guilds on blue have always wanted, uncontested raid spawns.



The stupidest ideas typically come from the masses of WoW or wtfever players (who should be going to Star Wars by now?) who claim to know what's good for a classic pvp server, when it suits their interests. There's tons of them, I think it would be a 600 way tie for stupidest idea, because really, each of them has explored the depths of stupidity far enough I care not to venture.

/Harrison off

See you on the court.

sticky imo

[stormlord]

Not sure if serious? Red had a 25% xp bonus for over a week, pop didn't increase by much, if anything went down more... and for all that said it was the holiday's.. we were at 160 pop about an hr ago and its jan 3rd.
25% ain't enough reward. Sorry, bro. I'm not even sure experience gain itself is enough. I tried to explain that in a post in the past few days. EQ is like spaghetti. The changes you make have many implications.

Again, look at this:
The "risks" on this pvp server (everything else being equal):
1) You die in pvp and lose experience
2) You get killed by other players; not just NPCs
3) You're anon and others cannot see your level/class; to protect yourself
4) More often than not, you do not group with other guilds; again, to protect yourselfNo, I mean look and READ and UNDERSTAND:
The "risks" on this pvp server (everything else being equal):
1) You die in pvp and lose experience
2) You get killed by other players; not just NPCs
3) You're anon and others cannot see your level/class; to protect yourself
4) More often than not, you do not group with other guilds; again, to protect yourself

People keep underestimating the amount of risk on this server and on pvp servers in general.

You keep digging your own grave. You're killing off PvP except when ti's applied to PvE servers. You see, there's a pivotal lesson. This: It's easier to add PvP to PvE servers than it's to have PvP servers.

If pvp were a country, it would be Iran and blocking the Suez Canal with warships.

[heartbrand]

Everytime I engage in PVP all I think about is, wow it's really going to suck grinding this EXP back later. Even with the 25% bonus exp was still too slow. This is coming from an embarrassed diaperquester who has spent way too much time on this server trying to get to 50 and is now finally a level away. God help me had I rolled a hybrid or a troll. I got literally 0% movement in 45 killing dark blue mobs solo. It took 2 mobs to get a tick.

[Humerox]

people keep throwing these low numbers around at whim.

the population went over 200 Jan 3, and has consistently done so. we're not at 600, but the server is a far cry from dead or dying.

go to Searyx's thread and post constructive ideas about increasing pop, or gtfo. we're tired of the doom and gloom.

[Nirgon]

now what about eq pvp truly involves skill?



I don't know man, why is it 2nd place guild has full plugs and casualties when we have none?

I hate to make this comment and turn this into an RNF post, but really. Come on.

I'll agree most of it is preparation and organization but there is MUCH to be said about execution and proper zoning (not just hopping back and forth on EQ zone lines... though that can be important too) mechanics.

What's a zoning mechanic Nirgon?

Well, it's your ability to manage the space around you in relation to the players, friend or foe, also around you. No spoilers here this time kids.

No skill. Lol right.

I won't deny EQ is a massive time investment, that certainly has a lot to do with it. Who would disagree with that? No one that has played this game in classic.

The gem pinata planes aren't out yet (as they do not fit the timeline...) to create a real gap. There is such a thing as a ceiling (and a real one here at that) and catching up.

[Humerox]

we're talking apples and oranges, Nirgon.

you're entirely correct. but the context of my post was addressing something completely different.

but u KNOW this.

;)

[Nirgon]

Yeah people who can't organize or have terrible motor skills posting troll threads as a weapon against the server.

[funhorroryes]

well, i have been a pvp god now for about 12 years now but unfortunately this server is just not working out for me. EXP is too slow, the average player is a douche (thats fine, i am too) and the average level just seems to keep going higher and higher.

This server wont see anymore new players in the next 3 months, literally 95% of the people who would come back to do EQ one last time have discovered the server due to really good advertising and word of mouth. everyone will eventually be high level, and this will punish authentic new players from leveling because they will have no one to level with. the only real melee classes will just be twinks of mages

everyone knows the game, there way through solb, guk and hate. just increase the exp rate, its unbelievably slow. you will save more players. There is more replay value at higher levels than p99 because of the ability to pvp, and i think the logic of when people get to 50 they will quit shouldnt really apply to this server as much as p99b.

[Dfn]

well, i have been a pvp god now for about 12 years now but unfortunately this server is just not working out for me. EXP is too slow, the average player is a douche (thats fine, i am too) and the average level just seems to keep going higher and higher.

This server wont see anymore new players in the next 3 months, literally 95% of the people who would come back to do EQ one last time have discovered the server due to really good advertising and word of mouth. everyone will eventually be high level, and this will punish authentic new players from leveling because they will have no one to level with. the only real melee classes will just be twinks of mages

everyone knows the game, there way through solb, guk and hate. just increase the exp rate, its unbelievably slow. you will save more players. There is more replay value at higher levels than p99 because of the ability to pvp, and i think the logic of when people get to 50 they will quit shouldnt really apply to this server as much as p99b.

While I agree with upping exp, it's unlikely to save newer players. Melee's, hybrids, etc will still suck to solo - but thats part of eq and something people should consider instead of making a melee then playing the woe is me im entitled to something card.

[Humerox]

well, i have been a pvp god now for about 12 years now...

You played SZ and although I associated your name with god, it wasn't because I thought you were one.

Why u arguing all this ez-mode xp stuff? you got soft~

[fiegi]

pop declining because Lovely got banned for cheating, and Reiker got bind camp griefed off the box.

[Slave]

As you can see, every time I type out a thoughtful and insightful post aimed exactly toward drawing the vast, basically uncountable PvP crowd that is now forlornly surfing the internet, wondering what to do next, the bluebies go absolutely apeshit wild... it's the worst idea they've ever heard, or some equally spiteful thing.

This means that we are absolutely on the right track, guys.

PvP has been systematically disenfranchised by the hordes of new-blues, people who have been brought up thinking that World of Warcraft is the baseline for MMO and PvP. They get into forums and they shit them up with name-calling and misdirection at any hint of mechanics which would provide a rallying beacon for the MASSIVE amounts of homeless PvPers. Their numbers are legion; they are like mindless zombies swarming the few survivors after the apocalypse.

But there is a cure.

The price of PvP is eternal vigilance. Even after a real, actually PvP ruleset is implemented (which is absolutely the one and only way that R99 will ever thrive), there will be more whining than you have ever seen in a forum by blues who want blue server with the ability to attack someone off their camp every now and then (God forbid they ever get attacked themselves, then the exp loss of 1-2 ticks is totally insurmountable and prohibitive).

I have a few words for you bluebies: you already have a server. PvP now needs theirs.

[Dfn]

Does anyone read Slave's posts anymore?

[Softcore PK]

I agree with Wolfram. Not about us bluebies running you off the server (this was a tongue-in-cheek comment that went over a lot of your heads), but about red players being too soft to make it in EQ. Since the server has been released, a good portion of you have been whining incessantly.

"It's too hard to exp!"

"Please dumb down the pve for us, we're red and red players are special; we deserve to be pampered and catered to!"

Sorry to so harshly express myself, but this is how I feel. You were griefed off of EQ by your sense of entitlement and unwillingness to play the game. There's nothing wrong with it, no one's saying you have to like EQ. But EQ is not meant to have accelerated xp. It's a social game, and you're supposed to care more about making/playing with friends and enemies than you are about reaching max level, imo. You remember being max level on live, and that's what sticks out in your minds the mos, and it's what you're striving for here. Do you even know why you don't like being level 20? I had a LOT of fun at level 20 on live.

If you don't find leveling to be enjoyable, the problem is not the game. It's you, and you should accept the fact that EQ has become too hardcore for you to play. Stop complaining, move on to an easier MMO and get on with your lives. Please. Because you're scaring away other players, who may actually enjoy playing EverQuest.

What I think is way funny is that a lot of these players that have quit or are whining are people that told me I couldn't survive here. Softcore is lots more hardcore than y'all :)

[gloinz]

I agree with Wolfram. Not about us bluebies running you off the server (this was a tongue-in-cheek comment that went over a lot of your heads), but about red players being too soft to make it in EQ. Since the server has been released, a good portion of you have been whining incessantly.

"It's too hard to exp!"

"Please dumb down the pve for us, we're red and red players are special; we deserve to be pampered and catered to!"

Sorry to so harshly express myself, but this is how I feel. You were griefed off of EQ by your sense of entitlement and unwillingness to play the game. There's nothing wrong with it, no one's saying you have to like EQ. But EQ is not meant to have accelerated xp. It's a social game, and you're supposed to care more about making/playing with friends and enemies than you are about reaching max level, imo. You remember being max level on live, and that's what sticks out in your minds the mos, and it's what you're striving for here. Do you even know why you don't like being level 20? I had a LOT of fun at level 20 on live.

If you don't find leveling to be enjoyable, the problem is not the game. It's you, and you should accept the fact that EQ has become too hardcore for you to play. Stop complaining, move on to an easier MMO and get on with your lives. Please. Because you're scaring away other players, who may actually enjoy playing EverQuest.



the whole leveling is enjoyable aspect is malarkey because it takes 2 hours to get a decent group together thus the problem is the game
just as eq is not meant to have accelerated xp it is also not meant to have 1 player in all mid level zones kthx

[Harrison]

I agree with Wolfram. Not about us bluebies running you off the server (this was a tongue-in-cheek comment that went over a lot of your heads), but about red players being too soft to make it in EQ. Since the server has been released, a good portion of you have been whining incessantly.

"It's too hard to exp!"

"Please dumb down the pve for us, we're red and red players are special; we deserve to be pampered and catered to!"

Sorry to so harshly express myself, but this is how I feel. You were griefed off of EQ by your sense of entitlement and unwillingness to play the game. There's nothing wrong with it, no one's saying you have to like EQ. But EQ is not meant to have accelerated xp. It's a social game, and you're supposed to care more about making/playing with friends and enemies than you are about reaching max level, imo. You remember being max level on live, and that's what sticks out in your minds the mos, and it's what you're striving for here. Do you even know why you don't like being level 20? I had a LOT of fun at level 20 on live.

If you don't find leveling to be enjoyable, the problem is not the game. It's you, and you should accept the fact that EQ has become too hardcore for you to play. Stop complaining, move on to an easier MMO and get on with your lives. Please. Because you're scaring away other players, who may actually enjoy playing EverQuest.

What I think is way funny is that a lot of these players that have quit or are whining are people that told me I couldn't survive here. Softcore is lots more hardcore than y'all :)
Quoting this because he's right.

Whine for a classic server, get it, whine it's classic, whine it's too slow, whine whine whine.

EQ is too hard for you. Quit. You aren't hardcore, pvp, or blue. You're just bad and refuse to accept that simple fact after 50+ threads bawwing at xp rates, no YT, and other shit catering to the terribad vztz cesspool.

[Softcore PK]

the whole leveling is enjoyable aspect is malarkey because it takes 2 hours to get a decent group together thus the problem is the game
just as eq is not meant to have accelerated xp it is also not meant to have 1 player in all mid level zones kthx

Well that's true too, we gotta keep at it and try a little harder to get groups going than we did in classic. This is why I like the idea of hotzones. Get those level ranges centralized imo!

[Softcore PK]

Quoting this because he's right.

Whine for a classic server, get it, whine it's classic, whine it's too slow, whine whine whine.

EQ is too hard for you. Quit. You aren't hardcore, pvp, or blue. You're just bad and refuse to accept that simple fact after 50+ threads bawwing at xp rates, no YT, and other shit catering to the terribad vztz cesspool.

Stop agreeing with me, you're hurting my cause! :P

[Nirgon]

about red players being too soft to make it in EQ.

The reddest players are on top right now dawg. Coincidentally they're also leveled rather quickly, and those that aren't, are still doing so steadily.

Couple very red players have low play time and are thus lower level I will say, but its not a majority.

So, will the people that really have what it takes to win in EQ come over here and present a challenge?

[Cast]

cast won the server

[Softcore PK]

cast won the server

Cast sacrificed his physical and mental health for a challenge he made in a video game, which he then lost.

:(

[Slave]

Cast sacrificed his physical and mental health for a challenge he made in a video game, which he then lost.

:(

HIS WRISTS WERE BROKEN!!!

Excessive loneliness will do that to a person.

[SearyxTZ]

I agree with Wolfram. Not about us bluebies running you off the server (this was a tongue-in-cheek comment that went over a lot of your heads), but about red players being too soft to make it in EQ. Since the server has been released, a good portion of you have been whining incessantly.

"It's too hard to exp!"

"Please dumb down the pve for us, we're red and red players are special; we deserve to be pampered and catered to!"

Sorry to so harshly express myself, but this is how I feel. You were griefed off of EQ by your sense of entitlement and unwillingness to play the game. There's nothing wrong with it, no one's saying you have to like EQ. But EQ is not meant to have accelerated xp. It's a social game, and you're supposed to care more about making/playing with friends and enemies than you are about reaching max level, imo. You remember being max level on live, and that's what sticks out in your minds the mos, and it's what you're striving for here. Do you even know why you don't like being level 20? I had a LOT of fun at level 20 on live.

If you don't find leveling to be enjoyable, the problem is not the game. It's you, and you should accept the fact that EQ has become too hardcore for you to play. Stop complaining, move on to an easier MMO and get on with your lives. Please. Because you're scaring away other players, who may actually enjoy playing EverQuest.

What I think is way funny is that a lot of these players that have quit or are whining are people that told me I couldn't survive here. Softcore is lots more hardcore than y'all :)

This is supposed to be a red server. We don't want a hardcore blue server, which is what this actually is. That's what we got because a handful of vocal bluebies (who quit the first time they get corpse camped by someone) junked up the beta feedback threads by trashing things like global chat channels and accelerated exp rate. Features that had been on every other PvP server prior to this one that the majority of the playerbase supported.

I'm not sure how speeding up the tedium of grinding equates to "dumbing down the PvE". How do you figure? Do you think that's the challenging part of the game?

[Slave]

This is supposed to be a red server. We don't want a hardcore blue server, which is what this actually is. That's what we got because a handful of vocal bluebies (who quit the first time they get corpse camped by someone) junked up the beta feedback threads by trashing things like global chat channels and accelerated exp rate. Features that had been on every other PvP server prior to this one that the majority of the playerbase supported.

I'm not sure how speeding up the tedium of grinding equates to "dumbing down the PvE". How do you figure? Do you think that's the challenging part of the game?

They will do and say anything to turn this into a blue server with PvP... exactly the wrong approach to take with so many people on the internet looking for a true PvP experience now. We still have a gigantic opportunity here to bring back the red aspects of Everquest and introduce a whole new generation to the wonder and immersion that we all remember. I really hope they don't blow it for us.

[oldfish]

HIS WRISTS WERE BROKEN!!!

Excessive loneliness will do that to a person.

LOL now were getting this troll thread in the right direction

[Softcore PK]

This is supposed to be a red server. We don't want a hardcore blue server, which is what this actually is. That's what we got because a handful of vocal bluebies (who quit the first time they get corpse camped by someone) junked up the beta feedback threads by trashing things like global chat channels and accelerated exp rate. Features that had been on every other PvP server prior to this one that the majority of the playerbase supported.

I'm not sure how speeding up the tedium of grinding equates to "dumbing down the PvE". How do you figure? Do you think that's the challenging part of the game?

I think it was probably the devs who decided not to include VZTZ features, not some vocal bluebies. Because the devs set out to make a classic pvp server, not some EQ deathmatch thing where everyone starts at level 50.

Maybe I'm being too abrasive when I use phrases like "dumbing down," but it's true that you and others are suggesting we do things that are not classic and imo detract from what makes EQ EQ.

I'm not here just to kill you, I'm here to play EQ. Why don't you like EverQuest?

[Softcore PK]

And how is this a blue server? Does pvp before max level not count as pvp? :s

[Cast]

cast won the server

couldn't have said it better myself

[Kassel]

This is supposed to be a red server.

No its supposed to be an everquest server, dont get all mad when you find out you have to play everquest.

[Cast]

Holocaust winners of Red99?

Cast your vote here (http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=59726)! Thumbs up or thumbs down.

http://twilight.ponychan.net/chan/collab/src/131432257566.gif

[oldfish]

Holocaust winners of Red99?

Cast your vote here (http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=59726)! Thumbs up or thumbs down.

http://twilight.ponychan.net/chan/collab/src/131432257566.gif

Check out mid gif what happens, its holocaust grinding teeth getting plowed in the ass and trying to look casual about it

Can we move this to RnF already

[Cast]

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[Lazortag]

People keep saying that slow exp is equally as challenging as fast exp, and that grinding takes no skill. This is nonsense. I have a level 60 Bard on blue99. With blue99's exp I killed literally tens of thousands of NPC's, so I have a lot of practice. This has helped me on red99 since most NPC's are actually more challenging than red players. Red players are a lot less tactical and efficient than NPC's. They also have much less hp usually. This is why I can attack a spectre with another charmed spectre, and it's usually a pretty even fight, but if I use a charmed spectre against a red player, they become confused and usually die without much effort. NPC's also have better spelling and grammar than red players which implies that they're smarter.

[Slave]

NPC's also have better spelling and grammar than red players

Nice way to prove your own point.

[SearyxTZ]

Apparently trolling the forums is the new gnoll fang quest

[SearyxTZ]

O and being the 23942th person to roleplay an anti-PK on a red server

[Nirgon]

If you think this server is blue you didn't play opening weekend.

The atrocities committed in the swamp should have a toll-free call center standing by for your donations to help the families left behind by all of the brave trolls and ogres that died that day.

[Harrison]

No its supposed to be an everquest server, dont get all mad when you find out you have to play everquest.

Rofl, most concise post that shits on 1000's of others, ever

[Cast]

People keep saying that slow exp is equally as challenging as fast exp, and that grinding takes no skill. This is nonsense. I have a level 60 Bard on blue99. With blue99's exp I killed literally tens of thousands of NPC's, so I have a lot of practice. This has helped me on red99 since most NPC's are actually more challenging than red players. Red players are a lot less tactical and efficient than NPC's. They also have much less hp usually. This is why I can attack a spectre with another charmed spectre, and it's usually a pretty even fight, but if I use a charmed spectre against a red player, they become confused and usually die without much effort. NPC's also have better spelling and grammar than red players which implies that they're smarter.

can confirm hearing about this noob using charmed spectres to engage in pvp, as server best bard I had many hearty laughs at this. Bad players are bad, can't excuse em for it - just praise the spiroc lord for them.

[Lazortag]

can confirm hearing about this noob using charmed spectres to engage in pvp, as server best bard I had many hearty laughs at this. Bad players are bad, can't excuse em for it - just praise the spiroc lord for them.

As risky as 12 second charmed pets are (especially if you get rooted/snared/mezzed or are up against multiple people) they're very effective against solo players in outdoor zones, especially shitty ones. See here:

http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x413/itsnotrightnotright/swededirtnap.jpg

Good luck getting any solo non-pve kills against people as a Bard without the dps of a charmed pet.

[Nirgon]

Oh that's a hoot

[ZEROSUM]

??

[Cast]

Good luck getting any solo non-pve kills against people as a Bard without the dps of a charmed pet.

headshake.gif

[lululalana]

h00t h00t

[Srs Not Ames]

If you think this server is blue you didn't play opening weekend.

The atrocities committed in the swamp should have a toll-free call center standing by for your donations to help the families left behind by all of the brave trolls and ogres that died that day.

ground zero is a hallowed place

[stormlord]

Sounds logical Storm...but it's not true.

1) PvP XP loss is so negligible that it doesn't matter. The fact is, most casters are going to scream about it because it keeps them from rushing. (Small deterrent that it is, it works)

2) Anyone that logs into red knows this, c'mon.

3) The LFG problem is real. If Nilbog and team could somehow enable the LFG tool that would rock. Otherwise, people need to use the IRC LFG chat that has been set up for them.

4) Guilds are grouping with all kinds of other guilds. In fact, most guilds are friendly with each other. And any guild you join will tell you what guilds to watch out for.


I don't know what kind of PvPers really believe PvP is their only reward, unless they are an unsociable soloing psychopath. (I just described quite a few reds that played emu and are no longer here)

PvE is heavily tied into PvP. You have to do one to do the other - unless the game itself is completely destroyed by making XP so easy you can level to 50 in 5 days, allowing people to once again blow past what is the most fun PvP in the game...mid-level PvP.

The server is stable. What anyone with an IQ of 70 can understand is that no one new is going to join with all the doom and gloom posts going on. Give it a rest, people.



*Simple solution is to zero a casters mana when they respawn after pvp death. Otherwise, you're right, you have the naked caster syndrome. The solution right now is penalizing everyone with what's potentially HOURS of lost time because of a pvp/caster oversight. Alternatively, a (?)-minute death debuff on everyone might work too. It depends. The benefits = drawbacks equation has to be looked at to ensure you don't mess it up in someone's favor. For example, starting with full mana in PvE might be intended for casters as a balancing mechanism. If you remove that in a shoddy way then you could break the spaghetti design (EQ is easy to break).

I don't know about to others, but I think the pvp exp loss idea is lame brained. A pvp points system would appeal to me far more. All you gotta do is look at what live did with the pvp stats website. That was fun. If there had never been any exp loss or coin loss or loot loss, it would have been perfect. If you could view the pvp stats in-game, even better. I didn't much like the pvp merchant idea, though.

Get a dose of reality. Upping exp gain is going to make this server more like the blue one, with respect to balance. You, like a lot of pvpers, are under-estimating the risks. If a zone was created on the blue server with NPCs that griefed players and had the intelligence of humans, the developers would rightly boost the experience or the rewards. You would agree with that. But when the table is turned and the increased risk is coming from pvp, you're unable to see how upping the reward is necessary. Maybe for your own benefit? Do you get pleasure from it? You've probably been around too long, more likely; oblivious. Or you have a very dependable group of buddies. I know how that's. Times are good when things go your way. King of the mountain, yessir.

As for your comment about guilds grouping with other guilds, I'm not seeing it. I know that guilds will ally with a couple others, but the reigning logic is that everyone else is game. If you're a new player, you don't know which guild is which. For you, they're all potential enemies, just like players can be. Keep that in mind.

Lastly, the server isn't stable. Your head is in the sand, bud. You're that man on the titanic table, screaming above everyone that everything is ok. You invested your life savings in it. You'll go down with the ship.

I don't want to go down with you. That's the thing. I'm not tied down or invested.

You know, if neither of us were invested in this argument, we'd probably agree more.

[Nirgon]

I think Nihilum got a taste of geared monk syndrome.

People are clueless as fuck.

[Humerox]

Simple solution is to zero a casters mana when they respawn after death. Otherwise, you're right, you have the naked caster syndrome. The solution right now is penalizing everyone with what's potentially HOURS of lost time because of a pvp/caster oversight. Alternatively, a 4-minute death debuff on everyone might work too. But I'm inclined towards zeroing their mana since: a) they can bind most anywhere b) they're very functional without their gear (+corpse recovery). Those're benefits and, as someone who understands balance in games, they have a cost. You can't pack sh** on one side of the equation without considering the other. Naturally, everything considered, those things are accounted for. But this pvp oversight indicates otherwise.

I actually brought up zeroing mana for casters upon respawn after PvP quite a while back. The xp loss is simply a mindf*ck for people, it's so negligible as not to matter, unless you're rushing, or doing something insanely stupid. But minimal health/mana would actually be a better solution.


Get a dose of reality. Upping exp gain is going to make this server more like the blue one, with respect to balance. You, like a lot of pvpers, are under-estimating the risks. If a zone was created on the blue server with NPCs that griefed players and had the intelligence of humans, the developers would rightly boost the experience or the rewards. You would agree with that. But when the table is turned and the increased risk is coming from pvp, you're unable to see how upping the reward is necessary. Maybe for your own benefit? Do you get pleasure from it? You've probably been around too long, more likely; oblivious. Or you have a very dependable group of buddies. I know how that's. Times are good when things go your way. King of the mountain, yessir.

I've only ever supported 1-20 XP boosting. It helps people get into playing, which is good for the server. I haven't seen any alternative solutions that would entice people to play red. if I see a better one, I'm all for it.

As for your comment about guilds grouping with other guilds, I'm not seeing it. I know that guilds will ally with a couple others, but the reigning logic is that everyone else is game. If you're a new player, you don't know which guild is which. For you, they're all potential enemies, just like players can be. Keep that in mind.

I group with other guilds all the time. People have come to realize that server health > gankfest. Most groups I'm in have 2-3 different tags. I spend a huge amount of my play-time LFG...I'm in the same boat most people are, but I seek out and find friends near my level. I learned that when I started on SZ...empty zones, few friends, many enemies. I did quite well there, too...but it took a lot of time.

Lastly, the server isn't stable. Your head is in the sand, bud. You're that man on the titanic table, screaming above everyone that everything is ok. You invested your life savings in it. You'll go down with the ship.

I don't want to go down with you. That's the thing. I'm not tied down or invested.

Stable population != high population. We saw the level-off quite some time ago... ~180 - 220 prime. The challenge now is to increase the population.

[Nirgon]

Challenge now is to farm gear for and PL up your friends or flood the market with items otherwise.

Challenge.

Otherwise.

[Humerox]

Challenge now is to farm gear for and PL up your friends or flood the market with items otherwise.

Challenge.

Otherwise.

actually, this is also true, lol

consolidation of small guilds with larger ones is also a solution. there are too many 6-8 man guilds on the server to support healthy PvP.

[Nirgon]

But that's the POPULATION'S* problem. Not the SERVER'S problem.

Bro.





* (people that the population consists of, not anything to do with the population # on server select screen)

[Humerox]

right again...

the current population has to work on maintaining itself while we wait for server population to increase

or something

[Nirgon]

Lot of failed product out there, need some new brand names and people that know wtf they are doing to unite the derps under.

And train them Mr. Miagi style in PvP.

[Glam]

People stopped to play because of all cheating.......

wrong Q in begining...a few people did some good pp on them
Some people (wiz) and other used spell not classic to lvl faster than anyone else...
since its alot of experienced people who run server It should have been ZERO of this spells, quests, buggs in the game at start up

I know alot of people who is back and play blue but they all wont to have classic back but red server isnt even a options because of this big misstakes at start up....

But we all wish you gl on red server who will be another fail server just like TZVZ.....so just go blue and play it as it is since that server will stay 250+ all the time

[Tassador]

cry over spilled milk some more? You got to love this game and not the forums to play it. keep on everquestin.

[Zalaerian]

I dont understand how 1 person or a few, abusing wands to level, deters people from playing. Suck it up. Get 50. Kill them.

[Vile]

Lovely was banned anyway.. you cheat you get caught.. very simple.

[Littlegyno 6.0]

Feels bad man.

[Humerox]

I dont understand how 1 person or a few, abusing wands to level, deters people from playing.

anybody that actually believes that one or two minor problems at startup affects them in the slightest, is a fool.

wish they'd played SZ during the warping, MQ playing, invulnerable tools that played there. and those of us who didn't do any of that still had fun.

The BS that's being claimed neither affects nor has an effect on 99% of the people that play. The scrubs were caught (also banned) and the problems were fixed within the first three weeks.

[Smedy]

spewing shit

Hows china treating you pal, looks like you just went back into your cave and rolled up on blue after getting owned & kicked out of one of the most open guilds on the server dog

Even gyno got into IF, but we knew better then to take scum like you

Still cleansed by jesus, may the chinese factory job help you in your path to greatness

[Smedy]

Smedy will be back, but server seriously needs some sort of global chat

I see people whining about "global chat would make trolls to happy" well if you just make a choice that if you do /join #chat in game you'll see the chat, and if you do /leave chat you won't see it.

Then both are happy, tabbing out to irc just isn't cutting it. 95% of the pop doesn't even know how to work the irc client

[Doors]

Feels bad man.

stfu

[Hairybuttwhole]

i peed a little when someone said that blue players are smarter than any red players

[inimegalg]

If I was a new player considering playing on this server, and I came here and read all these pop is dying posts.. i would not want to invest the time. gj ppl

[Nirgon]

These pvp emus aren't for most people man. It takes a certain degree of gaming fortitude to last on them and/or succeed.

I'd say 200 some actively playing single boxing is about the right number.

Mistakes hurt, items are scarce on start up here. You really think most "modern gamers" can handle that?

Games like WoW give you credit towards and eventually epics for LOSING in pvp. And there is STILL mass crying about losing. Not to mention you get those items in less than half the time and can /quit out of the battleground or wtfever before you die to save yourself "the agony" of death. Again, still tons of crying in that system, this one's a lil' rougher on ya, but for all that more enjoyable in my opinion.

[Pitborn]

I've enjoyed it so far but i have to admit, its getting to look a little bleak.

Im hoping Holo will split into 2 and stir this shit up a bit.

Theres only 1 viable guild left on the box, and barely any pvp OR groups because of it.

Pick some team captains already, draft your team like in gym class , and lets do this.

Ill bet Sniperfire gets picked last, just like in gym class as well.

[The Neck Beard]

As someone who randomly stumbled across Project '99, and played VZ from '99-'05, I'd wager there are a lot of ex-Zekers who'd come back if they knew about the box. Granted, I'll probably leave after the nostalgia fades.

[Zallar]

IRC LFG is fail. On average there are 20-25 people in the Red99 IRC.

Global OOC is fail. "/gooc I'm chasing Joe Schmoe, anyone see him in your zone?" plus the trollers make it a waste. Even Joe Schmoe opts of Global OOC, it can be used to chase him down.

Enable LFG tool in game is win! People can use it to find groups without all the chatter.

[Butthead]

funny how a troll post can get so much attention >>

i always wondered what the point of playing on a blu server was anyway...
you level up and raid, to get better gear, to raid and get better gear? lol wata joke.
atleast the pvp server is Alittle realistic.
(i think it shud b like sullon, no level limit. but even wit this dinky pvp setup on red99, ppl still cant handle it)

although it does get annoying have to walk everywhere. it was sure nice to suicide in wow to spawn in area and save urself a run. HAA

[Prime]

text

Your vids are off the hook! ps. älskar att du trollar järnet med jesus-grejen ds.

[Dullah]

funny how a troll post can get so much attention >>

i always wondered what the point of playing on a blu server was anyway...
you level up and raid, to get better gear, to raid and get better gear? lol wata joke.
atleast the pvp server is Alittle realistic.
(i think it shud b like sullon, no level limit. but even wit this dinky pvp setup on red99, ppl still cant handle it)

although it does get annoying have to walk everywhere. it was sure nice to suicide in wow to spawn in area and save urself a run. HAA

Exactly.

In classic live on my blue server we were always arguing, fighting and competing over rights to pof, poh and then everything else. It was nonstop bickering, bitching and complaining, training and just frustration over who should get what.... so I went to Rallos Zek.

Problem solved, community moderated itself.

[Nirgon]

Exactly.

In classic live on my blue server we were always arguing, fighting and competing over rights to pof, poh and then everything else. It was nonstop bickering, bitching and complaining, training and just frustration over who should get what.... so I went to Rallos Zek.

Problem solved, community moderated itself.

And the raid mobs worked and resists were correct.

:confused:

How could this ever have been the longest standing and most popular PvP server with more players than some blue servers!?

:confused:

Imagine how popular it could have been and how much nostalgia it would have generated if it was like this server is now (and stayed like it)?


:confused:

Please fix things! Box will die! F'real!

[Flunklesnarkin]

can't really expect pvp red to ever be as popular as the standard server.


It's not an eq thing.. its just a general mmo thing... ffa pvp isn't as popular as PvE when it comes to mmo's


although I'm sure eq pvp could use improvements that neither here nor there... pvp in general for mmo's is not as popular as the PvE.



I do think pvp in eq relies way to heavily PvE content either way.

[Nirgon]

I had access to warrior in Triton on live for a while.

Shit was fucking horrible as PvE only for me.

[steakshop]

guys like us cant function in pve only environments , people cry about the silliest shit they are such babies

but sorry to say this server was just a big troll

[Silikten]

Another troll thread by someone trying to talk shit for no reason. Great community we have here.

WE??? THERE IS NO WE PAL! YOU HAVE TO PLAY TO WE!

[Harrison]

guys like us cant function in pve only environments , people cry about the silliest shit they are such babies

but sorry to say this server was just a big troll

Caught exploiting.

Cries about xp rate.

Lolz

[steakshop]

confirmed mad and griefed off red by my level 10 before server even went live

coined irl

[Nirgon]

Steaks I think you're moving back into warm welcomes but you have to apologize to Amelinda.

[Lazortag]

guys like us cant function in pve only environments , people cry about the silliest shit they are such babies


I played on both servers and red players are definitely the biggest whiners. They can never be satisfied and they are overly critical and suspicious of the staff over everything. They second guess every decision they make, it's probably part of the reason Rogean hasn't patched the server in a while. Even the people who supposedly don't have time to play on the server waste days of time on the forums nitpicking at every decision and assuming the worst of the staff. Obviously Blue isn't perfect (guilds typically don't take punishment very well and there are a handful of immature players, and rules lawyers) but it's noticeably better in terms of player maturity and whiny-ness.

[Nirgon]

The bugs that inconvenience players by making things harder aren't fixed. Blue players are just happy with easy pixels.

Drolvarg guardians not being highly magic resist like they were on live? We'll leave that alone. At 51/52 on live those things resisted the shit out of roots and routinely would beat your ass hard as shit. Here? They bend over and take it every which way. No challenge or threat from these, I could quad them with my eyes closed.

Raid mob ability breaks / doesn't fight back? Nothing to see here. Players are happy, moving along.

[steakshop]

i will confirm guardians were like big dogs of kc , you had some serious spell resists for a reason , mobs like giants are supposed to be hard

fire giants and shit in sky is supposed to be near immune to spells

here? i bet bluebies solo guardians

[Harrison]

I solod drolvargs in KC on my warrior on live. They were easy as fuck. Slow stick rarely ever resisted.

[Srs Not Ames]

I solod drolvargs in KC on my warrior on live. They were easy as fuck. Slow stick rarely ever resisted.

Kill yourself

[Nirgon]

Ames can at least just you not quote Harrison.

If everyone else would too, that'd be great. Thanks.

[Butthead]

blue server is made so ppl can go on and farm and not have any problems. they cry and cant handle it. they like the wow style. you put in a certain amount of time and ur gauranteed to progress.

buncha stiffys

[Nirgon]

Mob doesn't fight back. NP

Mob doesn't always drop 3 loots? Grab the pitch forks and torches.

[Harrison]

Kill yourself

Kid's mad because he's bad at EQ.

Drolvarg's were easy as fuck. You're just terrible like most. That's why you cheat, whine xp is slow, and then blame everyone else for your poor playing and/or choices.

[steakshop]

The real reason the population is declining is...


because harrison is on the forum

[Lazortag]

... had a good one on Secrets box of Wolf running around lost in Upper guk while i camped evil eye, ...

Moron thinks EE is in Uguk.

[Hovis]

Moron thinks EE is in Uguk.

Confirmed you are retarded... LEARN TO READ....

[Hovis]

Kid's mad because he's bad at EQ.

Drolvarg's were easy as fuck. You're just terrible like most. That's why you cheat, whine xp is slow, and then blame everyone else for your poor playing and/or choices.

Do you even know ames? lmfao...

LET'S BOAST ABOUT HOW GOOD AT SOLO PVE I IS.

Are you and lazortag the retarded offspring of 1st cousins???
someone confirm this!

[Lazortag]

Confirmed you are retarded... LEARN TO READ....

Um, I do know how to read, he said that while he was camping EE he got me while I was lost in Uguk. EE is in Lguk. Do you speak English?

[Hovis]

Um, I do know how to read, he said that while he was camping EE he got me while I was lost in Uguk. EE is in Lguk. Do you speak English?

Lets break down the sentence for you pal:

Originally Posted by Amuk
... had a good one on Secrets box of Wolf running around lost in Upper guk


while i camped evil eye, ...


yeah you clearly know how to read...

its not hard to kill one mob and go up to upper guk ..

[letsjoe]

pvp was poppin for a few hours last night, still worth it to log on just for that.

[steakshop]

poppin if your 50 and a caster

[SamwiseRed]

well i did see hughman but ya now that I think about it was pretty much only casters. despite being oor was fun to watch, hope to see more.

[steakshop]

get 42 youll see plenty

im sure that will only take you 3 more months

[SamwiseRed]

could take me 3 months, could take me 3 weeks i dunno. lately ive spent most of my time helping peeps or just shooting the shit. i cant say getting to 50 isnt a long-term goal but right now its not that important to me.

[Lulz Sect]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v243/jo99841/Vogels/Ijsvogel/BDIMG_9658-01copy.jpg

[Lazortag]

Lets break down the sentence for you pal:

Originally Posted by Amuk
... had a good one on Secrets box of Wolf running around lost in Upper guk


while i camped evil eye, ...


yeah you clearly know how to read...

its not hard to kill one mob and go up to upper guk ..

This all happened in Lguk. I should know, I was there, I was one of the characters in the story. Do you feel stupid yet?

[IronLikeALionInZion]

validate my existence

[Woosa]

...is because people keep posting threads like this

[pasi]

Even VZTZ2.0, which is considered the pinnacle of garage-box, peaked at 300 characters with boxes allowed. And that figure didn't last long either.

I'm not sure why people continually insist that there is this huge untapped reservoir of people who want EQPVP but are just waiting for the right rule-set or bug-free server.

[Harrison]

Look at the type of kids here. You suppose there's thaaaaat many barely-functioning sociopathic retards who get off on griefing, cheating, and poopsocking? The pool is small enough. The community makes itself even smaller with their own shenanigans.

The problem is the cancerous tumor that is the vztz crowd. Perform emergency surgery. The patient will thrive without cancer.

[Estrang]

Even VZTZ2.0, which is considered the pinnacle of garage-box, peaked at 300 characters with boxes allowed. And that figure didn't last long either.

I'm not sure why people continually insist that there is this huge untapped reservoir of people who want EQPVP but are just waiting for the right rule-set or bug-free server.

nah 1.0 if youre a true og

[Snufz]

2.0 Was getting so good.

Right before that shitty Chardok fight that blew up the server, our Holocaust/8in rape group was rdy to box for real.

[Cwall]

nah 1.0 if youre a true og

fake knuckle knows

[Hovis]

This all happened in Lguk. I should know, I was there, I was one of the characters in the story. Do you feel stupid yet?

why would i feel stupid if your the retard with the reading comprehension problem??

[pasi]

I meant pinnacle population wise; hence, why the 300 figure is in the same sentence. Obviously everyone is going to have their own favorite out of 1.0, 2.0, 2.5, 3.0, and Salty's-Box-that-Never-Was.

[Billbike]

Look at the type of kids here. You suppose there's thaaaaat many barely-functioning sociopathic retards who get off on griefing, cheating, and poopsocking? The pool is small enough. The community makes itself even smaller with their own shenanigans.

The problem is the cancerous tumor that is the vztz crowd. Perform emergency surgery. The patient will thrive without cancer.

I already regret validating your existence with this post.

I am however curious about your experience with PvP servers. If you would be so kind, please enlighten me with your PvP experience/credentials. I'm going out on a limb here, but I don't think it was a happy time in your life. If I'm wrong, I'll admit it and believe that your not just a fat, irrelevant troll like everyone says.

Im sure this was TLDR, but please indulge me, after you spell/grammar check this.

[steakshop]

my experience with pvp servers is having 60% carefree chill NORMAL people 40% Cancerous fucks = success for all

casuals have friends / guilds to group with

cancerous fucks have targets

red99 = 95% Cancerous fucks

[Lazortag]

why would i feel stupid if your the retard with the reading comprehension problem??

your the retard

reading comprehension problem??

It happened in Lguk you ignoramus. There was no misinterpretation on my part, he actually did mistype. I know because I was there. Does this sound familiar?:

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=557296&postcount=211

[Hovis]

It happened in Lguk you ignoramus. There was no misinterpretation on my part, he actually did mistype. I know because I was there. Does this sound familiar?:

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=557296&postcount=211

lmao reading comprehension is determined by your typos now?!?!
HAHAHAHAHA

[steakshop]

will you two get a room already

[runlvlzero]

I love how the masses and hordes of people who dont play here speak as if the words of a very few trolling for lulz forumites speak for 200+ players. Some of which are not fulltime but are "around" and plan on playing here for awhile.

[Ilakje]

la
ughed so hard it hurt

Lazortag confirmed last place in 6-man blue99 bard best of the best

bahahaha

Hey! There were 9 brave bards in that tourney! But ya, Laz sure took last...

[Lazortag]

Since I know some people who stumble across this thread will be completely inept at reading comprehension, I'd just like to say that this thread was a very obvious troll attempt from 8 months ago and that you shouldn't take it too seriously. I don't really see why it was bumped.

[Leftoverture]

looks like you were taking it pretty seriously

[jeffd]

isn't lasertag the guy that got 100-0'd in the bard botb when the other guy finished with 80%

[Cwall]

yeah i watched it with anticipation of seeing the best bard on project 1999 in action

needless to say i fell out of my chair laughing

[Dubee]

yeah i watched it with anticipation of seeing the best bard on project 1999 in action

needless to say i fell out of my chair laughing

Lazortag last place in bard botb

[Tombom]

Poor wolfhams lost all ground to stand on lol, forever silenced

[goalie]

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_loc71oKa4Z1qap0fm.gif

[Vile]

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/25814261.jpg