Rogean

[Amuk]

Do you not read these forums bro? This is kind of a big deal.

It was 100% exploited I was on the raid and had no idea what was happening. I kept waiting for some sort of strategy or strat to be revealed for how our crap force was going to beat Nagafen, only to be told to just /pet attack. I was actually tempted to gate and leave the raid because I thought how could it be possible that this raid is going to beat Nagafen, I was like level 41~ I didn't want to lose exp wiping in what was clearly a waste of time. Then, lo and behold thirteen minutes later Nagafen loot was being passed out. Troriste then mentioned on Vent how we "tried to do it legit but it bugged out like last time so he'll just report it." I was tempted to ask why if he had done it this way before and it bugged that he thought it would be different this time, but I was new to the guild and was still kind of in shock of what had just happened. Also, I don't claim to be an expert in voice detection or what not but the way Troriste said he was "reporting the bug" over Vent sounded like someone who was trying to cover his tracks in case of a GM, he also typed it over guildchat one too many times, like that guy with the story when questioned by cops that's just a litttttle too good.


I think the standards of punishment should be equal. I mean how are we supposed to assume that this shit is ban worthy when people were doing it for weeks? I haven't seen/heard from a GM except Amelinda enforcing piddly shit since the get go - should we not assume that these guys exploiting everything and getting away with it means the server has limited intervention?

[Amuk]

I mean Holo didn't really freak out to Amelinda or on the forums other than reporting their greasey tactics, we just handled it ourselves - I don't see how we're the big bad guys in this whole situation.

[Amuk]

Sorry for the three post, but Heartbrand was the Nihilum member we stole from them after destroying them in naggy contesting pvp.

[fiegi]

My money is on thread being moved to RnF within 34 minutes without rogean ever looking at it.

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[Mardur]

We get it, you're angry over ban. You can stop flailing your arms around like a child that just had his favorite toy taken away.

Also Heartbrand is a complete idiot, try quoting someone with an IQ above 35.

[ZEROSUM]

burn it down

[Amuk]

Heartbrand is the perfect person to quote, he was an ex Nihilum member that we invited for a day and stole the strat for how you were killing naggy with 13 people who should be incapable of doing Naggy.

We also kicked him from the guild and he has been flaming Holo on the forums/in-game - 0 loyalty to anyone and he's pointing out the bullshit.

I'm not angry over the 2 week ban, just the perma ban on a character that isn't even mine, and I do believe the rules should be followed by everyone, or noone. I'm fine with no rules for the record.

[fiegi]

Jose Canseco was once called a complete idiot with no credibility

Let's put Heartbrand in front of a committee and see where it takes us

[Amuk]

it was pulled there again because there had been a Line of sight adjustments in the patch beforehand. I tought it would have fixed nagafen, it made it worse. Bug was reported within minutes of slaying.

There has been many case of this kind of things happening and never did anyone petition to reset their mob. The current issues with dragons not aoeing sometimes in VP comes to mind -- you dont see people petitioning right away to get them to reset it, they just kill the loot pinata and move on.

Fact is that we dont bug out mobs on purpose, especially not after bug reporting issues with them.

They bugged him in a spot one week, and were just testing it the second time? Let's not mention how many times Heartbrand wasn't there for? Can I pls get a GM response to this, is this for real?

[nerfed]

"had no idea what was happening"

[Amuk]

Troriste aka Nizzarr forum accnt saying in vent that he would report the bug, and spam it in guildchat as a way to cover his ass doesn't make it pretty obvious or anything good call Nerfed, or the fact that Nizzarr(Troriste) admited to at least doing it twice himself on the forums.

[Harrison]

Holocaust confirmed butthurt.

Nihilum won Red99, January 2012.

[Mardur]

If you guys stumble across a bug that works out in your favor, grab your loot, petition the exploit (in petition forum), and move on.

You don't return week after week abusing the same exploit because you wouldn't be able to complete the encounter otherwise. This is where you went wrong and why you received bans. Having to explain this 20 times in 20 different threads makes me sad for the average IQ of a Red99 player.

[Amuk]

Not going to spend all day replying to the person who clearly benefits by spinning this Reikar, Uthgaard already pointed out this was a bug on blue (which is why Niz would know about it).

Abusing it week after week, or checking week after week to see if it's fixed, is there really a difference? No, typical spin bullshit.

[Steaks]

My money is on thread being moved to RnF within 34 minutes without rogean ever looking at it.

http://lssacademy.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/stop-watch.jpg

you think rogean reads any of the dogshit on this thread? you must be a newb

[fiegi]

you think rogean reads any of the dogshit on this thread? you must be a newb

Brush up on your comprehension levels before sticking your nose in my posts moran.

[Doors]

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[Amuk]

I realise some members of Holo shit up the forums the best they can, but I believe there is a legitimate complaint here and would ask that people don't shit up this thread, if you choose not to that's aight too.

[Rogean]

Disciplinary actions aren't discussed in public or with anyone but the owner of the accounts. This is the policy of the server, and has been since Blue existed. I've been through this before with the red population, we do not bend our policies to cater to trolls inciting drama based on inconclusive information.

Rest assured if I have evidence to suspend/ban someone for exploiting, I will. I and the other developers don't work as hard as we do to see raid encounters get twisted and exploited. With that though comes policies to ensure the rule breaking is 100% confirmed (see what I did there?). In most cases, we simply have to be there to see it, which we were for Holocaust.

If a guild exploited one raid mob and we happen to not be there or have enough evidence to act, consider yourselves lucky.. but I bet after the Holocaust situation you are going to think twice about taking advantage of something like that again.

(P.S. Only two people were banned with option of reconsideration, the rest were suspended and may chose to continue playing if they desire.)