Brother Baltin in dreadlands - EVERYONE READ THIS

[Amelinda]

Brother balatin is now up and working for monks and should be there until patch. He is currently unkillable by either melee or casting methods thanks to nilbog's brilliance. :)

Post originally said:DO NOT KILL THIS NPC or i will pull the encounter logs and I will probably suspend you.

You are creating extra work for GM's. so if you kill this NPC i will see it as a direct choice to cause the GM's a LOT of extra work.

The perl does not work right - so if you kill him then when he DOES respawn I have to catch nilbog to get him to come rerun the perl. and they can't just rerun it all the time. it could potentially cause problems.

SO STOP SCREWING THINGS UP FOR MONKS.

Spread the word in game.

[Xanthias]

Why not make this part of the motd for a few days then?

[kak_vander]

Why not make this part of the motd for a few days then?

Good idea. Not everyone checks the forums.

[Amelinda]

can't edit MOTD. only reason for anyone to kill brother balatin is to try and screw over other people.

he's so far out of the way he's not an exp mob.

i've broadcast about this before also and the people who are killing him ARE IN IB AND TMO AND VD. so it's not like they don't know.

[Daldaen]

Not everyone is supposed to get their epic here due to bottle necks. I'm sure the people killing him are just making sure it's as true for wizards necros and bards as it is for monk. Just tell people to stop complaining about it or power him up so that he DTs and shouts whoever tries to aggro him.

[Raelador]

Were we able to kill him on classic? I mean this is a classic server isn't it?

[Hitchens]

You're still able to kill him, but there will be consequences for doing so. The mechanics are still classic.

[Szeth]

I haven't killed Balatin in weeks, however I do not think people should be reimbursed if they didn't bother to fucking hail the mob before doing the hand in.

These are epics, not fucking charity/welfare items.

[muggro]

It's not an issue of being allowed to kill him on classic. The spawn timer and the script are currently bugged pending the next update. So killing him to prevent other people from completing their turn in is exploiting the bug which is against the rules.

[Szeth]

This thread is now about no-reimbursements.

[Xanthias]

can't edit MOTD. only reason for anyone to kill brother balatin is to try and screw over other people.


Not denying this one bit.
Just saying couldn't Nilbog update it when he's resetting the script for the one millionth time? :)

But word shall be passed.

[Orruar]

Are people seriously trying to kill him to cockblock others? If your own self esteem is contingent upon keeping others from having fun, just go ahead and kill yourself. I'm not kidding. And I'm sure if you're this much of a loser, you'd probably screw it up. So please do the necessary research to ensure you succeed.

[Szeth]

If you are suggesting someone should kill themselves over EQ, regardless of the situation, please kill yourself. With this train of thought you are not a productive or reasonable member of society.

[Donkeylover]

lol. Suspend a player for killing a triggered, kos mob, that is supposed to despawn shortly after he spawns anyways?

[Kender]

lol. Suspend a player for killing a triggered, kos mob, that is supposed to despawn shortly after he spawns anyways?

the issue is that he's bugged and has to be reset manually by the guys that are providing this server to everyone free of charge.

don't be morons

[Kender]

p.s. it's a sad day for monks. I've always viewed being a monk as being part of a brotherhood. to learn that some have decided it's better for them to stop other monks from doing this quest saddens me greatly

[Orruar]

If you are suggesting someone should kill themselves over EQ, regardless of the situation, please kill yourself. With this train of thought you are not a productive or reasonable member of society.

That was quick. A bit defensive, are we? Here, I'll even provide a link to save you some time:
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=manly_suicide

And what exactly is your last sentence supposed to mean, comrade? I thought we were all busy working for the glory of the mother land.

[Flunklesnarkin]

I think people killing him is douchey but ok... once his respawn works right.


Sounds like a temporary situation.. don't worry.. you can protect your "elite" status as soon as its working properly again imo lol

[Orruar]

I think people killing him is douchey but ok... once his respawn works right.


Sounds like a temporary situation.. don't worry.. you can protect your "elite" status as soon as its working properly again imo lol

I wonder if IB and TMO will allow VD to join in a rotation to keep him killed.

[Donkeylover]

the issue is that he's bugged and has to be reset manually by the guys that are providing this server to everyone free of charge.

don't be morons

No shit. So fix it then. Suspending people from killing him that don't even know he's bugged is a better option?

[Flunklesnarkin]

I wonder if IB and TMO will allow VD to join in a rotation to keep him killed.

could work out a schedule i suppose.. but if somebody is there camping it probably be considered griefing to kill it..


now if he's just up and chillin id say fair game.

[Szeth]

Doesn't wander.

[Flunklesnarkin]

Doesn't wander.

edited to remove wandering ;p

[Amelinda]

the issue is that he's broken right now . if he was fixed i wouldn't give a crap that people kill him.

but for now i'm saying do not kill him since his script does not work and must be manually reset. and if you kill him since he's on a 2 hour respawn it could be hours before another one spawns and then several more hours before i can get nilbog online to reset the script and then if you decide to be a dick and ruin the last 10 hours of my work i'm gonna smite you.

i don't get why this is so hard.

I said don't kill it. so don't.

[Orruar]

No shit. So fix it then. Suspending people from killing him that don't even know he's bugged is a better option?

That was my thought at first. But based on other information in this thread, it seems that people are doing this specifically for griefing.

[Xatava]

Killing him doesn't bug the script anyways, someone killed him before I could do my tun in and I had to spend 14 hours killing ph. When he popped he was working fine and required no script resetting or whatever.

[Szeth]

I offer my services for the greater good. Respawn him and fix his responses. I will then aggro and kite him around 24/7 until people want to hand their epics in.

I only require 10k platinumz an hour.

[nilbog]

Killing him doesn't bug the script anyways, someone killed him before I could do my tun in and I had to spend 14 hours killing ph. When he popped he was working fine and required no script resetting or whatever.

Actually it creates a 75% chance of breaking his script. The issue is the 'correct' brother balatin has to spawn, to work correctly without a script reload.

The next time balatin is up, I should be able to fix him with commands, to make him unkillable.

Message me on irc, or tell a guide to do so. Good luck!

[Szeth]

What 10k per hour was too high for the mighty nilbog?

You must be suffering from the economy too =(

[Tulvinous]

I had to spend 10 hours on PH's getting this fuck head to spawn, and thankfuly he didn't bug when he did.

Was I smart enough to check the script was working? Yes. Was I pissed off overall having to do this? Not really. I tossed in a few DVD's and played other games. Was it a complete waste of time because people are mouth breathers(http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mouthbreather)?


ABSOFUCKINGLUTELY!

[Silentone]

Tulvinous ..thats some bad ass avatar you got there LOL

[shorttin]

The next time balatin is up, I should be able to fix him with commands, to make him unkillable.

Message me on irc, or tell a guide to do so. Good luck!

so instead of taking the time to fix it the right way, you're wasting time making a killable mob unkillable? hey but this is "Classic Everquest" per the logo!

[Flunklesnarkin]

so instead of taking the time to fix it the right way, you're wasting time making a killable mob unkillable? hey but this is "Classic Everquest" per the logo!

I think they only ever said this was classicish eq.. not pure classic.


but it seems a reasonable thing.. peoples big concern isn't killing him for items / quest.. but just to prevent others from finishing the quest.

[Hitchens]

so instead of taking the time to fix it the right way, you're wasting time making a killable mob unkillable? hey but this is "Classic Everquest" per the logo!

You are not a customer and this is not a business, it's a hobby and you're a guest. If it weren't for people "wasting" time, none of us would have a server to play on.

[nilbog]

so instead of taking the time to fix it the right way, you're wasting time making a killable mob unkillable? hey but this is "Classic Everquest" per the logo!

It is 'fixed the right way'. That requires a patch to be updated. What i offered was a way for the currently multi-bugged npc to work properly.

Not only is it a 2 hour spawn, but it has a 75% chance of being broken when the named actually spawns.

So stfu.

[Szeth]

Apocaly about when did you have to wait for him? I know I killed him directly following my robe turn in... just want to see if I was the one to make you suffer.

[YendorLootmonkey]

I wonder if IB and TMO will allow VD to join in a rotation to keep him killed.

No, TMO doesn't believe we can kill Brother Baltin without IB's help.

[sbvera13]

As a former guide on Live, I can attest that active efforts to discourage griefing are indeed classic, at least on blue servers. I recall my GM summoning someone to CShome and leaving him there until he started playing nice once (there was no way to exit normally). Negotiating camp rotations was fairly common for us as well, and anyone KSing/training/griefing to get a camp usually got the boot. I don't remember anything about this mob, since I had stopped guiding by Kunark, but there's my 2 cents.

[Silentone]

able to kill and showing the willingness to camp the mob are two different things, im willing to bet there are at least 2 other guilds on this server that can kill most raid targets.

[Autotune]

isn't he a low level undead KOS mob?

pretty sure a monk in our guild used that reason to justify killing him, which, understandable you spend all that time trying to get the mob up that you'd kill him after.

I know i would. lol.

Edit: Making him unkillable is a quick fix tho until a patch.

[Nirgon]

As a former guide on Live, I can attest that active efforts to discourage griefing are indeed classic, at least on blue servers. I recall my GM summoning someone to CShome and leaving him there until he started playing nice once (there was no way to exit normally). Negotiating camp rotations was fairly common for us as well, and anyone KSing/training/griefing to get a camp usually got the boot. I don't remember anything about this mob, since I had stopped guiding by Kunark, but there's my 2 cents.

The play nice policy was a MAJOR deal in EQ. This is true.

Notice the choice of verbage of POLICY versus OPTION.

Right now play nice is an option. Need some GM Ozuri up in here cracking skulls and burning faces on hot stove coils.

<- had skull cracked and face burned.

[Boombha]

You are not a customer and this is not a business, it's a hobby and you're a guest. If it weren't for people "wasting" time, none of us would have a server to play on.

^^

[Dreads]

Is there a way to tell if he's fixed so I don't accidently turn it in and lose my stuff? Just want to make sure before, I'm sitting at him right now and hes spawned. When I hail he talks to me and stuff

Edit: as of now he works, just did the turn in

[Amelinda]

if you hail him and he talks then he's working.

[Savok]

Can we PM you every time Trak dies so you can hand over one set of Trak guts as well please?

Oh wait we can't even finish the bard epic yet PERIOD, but lets worry about a mob that you are able 'fix' (even though without GM involvement it can still be done).

[Amelinda]

.....
trak guts may be on the loot table for trakanon - i know when i was after my epic on live it took forever for us to get a drop of trak guts.

at this point in the timeline they don't drop every time.

[Ssleeve]

Can we PM you every time Trak dies so you can hand over one set of Trak guts as well please?

Oh wait we can't even finish the bard epic yet PERIOD, but lets worry about a mob that you are able 'fix' (even though without GM involvement it can still be done).

Sounding pretty ungrateful there guy.

[nilbog]

Can we PM you every time Trak dies so you can hand over one set of Trak guts as well please?

Oh wait we can't even finish the bard epic yet PERIOD, but lets worry about a mob that you are able 'fix' (even though without GM involvement it can still be done).

Are you talking about the trak guts being rare? That's not broken. That's your bad luck. There's not supposed to be an undead bard yet is there? See why they later added it? Where is the bug thread about this? It's certainly not in here.

Additionally, I can't modify loot tables of an unspawned npc without a patch.

Are people so blinded by their own non-monk problems that they get angered when they see other, fixable bugs handled?

This is one of the ONLY content-related bugs I am forced to log into the game to fix. The other being the trakanon forager/hunter cycle.

Once again, if you have some type of problem which isn't related to Brother Balatin, take it to another thread.

[Ssleeve]

Are you talking about the trak guts being rare? That's not broken. That's your bad luck. There's not supposed to be an undead bard yet is there? See why they later added it? Where is the bug thread about this? It's certainly not in here.

Additionally, I can't modify loot tables of an unspawned npc without a patch.

Are people so blinded by their own non-monk problems that they get angered when they see other, fixable bugs handled?

This is one of the ONLY content-related bugs I am forced to log into the game to fix. The other being the trakanon forager/hunter cycle.

Once again, if you have some type of problem which isn't related to Brother Balatin, take it to another thread.

patch red99 <3 you

[maahes]

Your going to want to broadcast this message more than a few times. Most of my friends I play with do not read the boards. They also like to kill mobs they have never killed before searching for the PHATS.

Classic.

[nilbog]

This is temporarily (until next patch) fixed in game.

With patch, it will be fixed for real.

[Rasah]

WTB patch. Low level characters cannot run through Kithicor in the daytime due to all of the Dark Elves. Can't all the epic fixes be done in 2 patches? Since there are already a bunch of fixes complete.

[Kassel]

Run along the north wall

[godbox]

I'm sure they sit around all day long waiting for the bat signal to swoop down and pacify pixel rage.

It takes a certain type of individual to complain about a free server.

truth
whens the queen gonna just start bans based off responses in this thread lol

[Harrison]

No shit. So fix it then. Suspending people from killing him that don't even know he's bugged is a better option?

Yes. Killing the mob is a fucking dick move and anyone doing it is doing it on purpose and not on accident.

[chunkluv]

It's a free server and more fun than any MMORPG out there, just leave it alone because she asked you to. Be nice.