new pally to p99

[Nanolian]

Hey all I'm new the server just made a pally, a friend of mine told me to get deepwater gear and a ghoulsbane, does anyone have these items laying around?

[Swish]

Mine is a manastone if anyone has one to spare ;)

[kazroth]

I sense sarcasm here... lol

What's a manastone?

[DeathByCactus]

Manastone is a device that makes you skinnier every time you click it. So you can get throu narrow chasms in game.

[Nanolian]

I just learned something. Lol. I havent played eq since kunark released.

[Within99]

Reroll

[Nanolian]

Reroll

Why?

[Within99]

Paladins get a 40% exp reduction and they suck at dps, can't really solo. you are going to level the slowest out of every class. So unless you are a hardcore paladin fan you will not like it.

[Nanolian]

Paladins get a 40% exp reduction and they suck at dps, can't really solo. you are going to level the slowest out of every class. So unless you are a hardcore paladin fan you will not like it.

I know about those things, but I'm sticking to my paladin. Hybrids are what I play.

[Nanolian]

I played a shadow knight live but I wanna flip out and I'm here

[Within99]

I play a Iksar SK.. so its tough being hated by everything, plus 68% exp penalty, plus I don't get slam and insane Sta/Str as Ogres/Trolls..
I chose a rough route, so all I'm saying is prepare yosalf.

[Nanolian]

I play a Iksar SK.. so its tough being hated by everything, plus 68% exp penalty, plus I don't get slam and insane Sta/Str as Ogres/Trolls..
I chose a rough route, so all I'm saying is prepare yosalf.


Glad to see someone out there that likes the tough route

[Within99]

Wouldn't have it any other way.

[Nanolian]

Wouldn't have it any other way.

Exactly.
And if nobody wants to play this class, there must be someone out there that has these items just rotting somewhere. I'm not asking for free hand outs either. To make that clear as well.

[webrunner5]

Exactly.
And if nobody wants to play this class, there must be someone out there that has these items just rotting somewhere. I'm not asking for free hand outs either. To make that clear as well.

Your asking someone to give you 4 to 5k of gear or more. If that is not begging what the hell else is. And you won't make it past level 20 on it.

[Nanolian]

I'm not begging, who said I wasn't willing to pay?
Just cause I'm new doesn't mean my friend I play with is.

[Within99]

I have a 2hs for sale, Blade of Xalgoz.

23/40 3str, 3agi.

selling for 100p

[Nanolian]

Looking for a 1h. No skill in 2h atm.
Thanks though within99

[Vityaz]

Are there any perks to playing a Paladin, or just negatives? Are they decent tanks?

[falkun]

That depends what you are tanking. Group content: you want a hybrid (PAL/SHD), because they can snap aggro so your DPS are not getting hit and can lay into a mob ASAP. Raid targets, you want a warrior so he can use Defensive discipline. For the leveling game, hybrids make better tanks than warriors, for the end-game, warriors are bar-none the best tank simply due to Defensive.

[Nanolian]

That depends what you are tanking. Group content: you want a hybrid (PAL/SHD), because they can snap aggro so your DPS are not getting hit and can lay into a mob ASAP. Raid targets, you want a warrior so he can use Defensive discipline. For the leveling game, hybrids make better tanks than warriors, for the end-game, warriors are bar-none the best tank simply due to Defensive.

Could you inform me of more end game the role of a pally? Especially raiding.

[falkun]

Tank: Offtank/add pickup/"protect the clothies"
CR: If 59, toss a 90% rez at those willing to take them, maybe you camped out at the call but none of the clerics did, so use that rez!
Heal: Heal a DPS group (this should get easier when pallies get group heal in Velious) (if a DPS gets focused, he's toast no matter who tries to heal, so this is just to keep them up against the periodic AE damage)
DPS: Equip a 2H, start praying to Brell/Mithaniel/Tunare that you outdamage the Enchanters. Make sure you bash/push mobs as necessary to cancel casting
Buff: You have Naltron and the resist buffs, don't be afraid to use them
Pull: You have lull, don't be afraid to use it

There's tons of things Pallies can do with their spell/ability toolkit. And I've seen my guild use pallies in ways I never would have thought of when I had a main pally on Live. Just because a class isn't "optimum" for a task, does not mean that player cannot complete that task, it just might take some outside-the-box thinking.

Just note that you will probably not be called on to tank the rampaging Spiroc Lord or Vindicator (Velious), although if your guild has those mobs on farm, you might get called into duty there even.

TL;DR: Don't be afraid to try new things, and always be willing to try to use your entire spell list, not just the 8 you always keep memmed.

[webrunner5]

A Pally really is not that great at DPS. Solo they are pretty slow except to un-dead. But most Tanks really aren't, even a Warrior. Tanks are meat puppets to have mobs beat on them mostly and keep mobs off the healer and casters. A Pally is better at agro than a Warrior in this game now. Taunt really does't work well.

A Pally is better at pulling in Velious when it comes out than even a Monk at times. But if the mob resists Lull line a lot than Pally is not much good. The worse part is the Hybrid penality at 40%. It effects your group also. So a lot of people don't want Hybrids in their group. Pally's are the worse class in P1999 for people giving up on them.

The main problem is your friends will all be level 50 and you will be level 37 or so. So you can't group with them. A Tank has to be the highest person in a group to be good. They can't hit Red mobs to them to save their ass. So DPS goes to shit and so does agro and so the Cleric and Chanter dies. And then you are a no good horses ass.

A Pally on paper is a great class, but not on this server at the time. GL. And on Raids if you are not a Ogre Warrior you are not going to be the Tank. No way. It is the Frontal Stun immunity and usually just better AC and Sta stats that will dicitate them as the best.

But don't get me wrong. I have been as big a complainer of the STUPID HYBRID XP penality on here as anyone. That to me is one of the biggest problems on P1999. There are no damn Tanks at lower to mid levels on here. And God help you if you want to play a Tank on the Red Server. So yes stick it out on your Pally for the good of the server lol.

[Nanolian]

thanks all i love the advice and information, its been a really long time since i played EQ at all. so im still trying to relearn every thing. i played alot of MMO's and my chars were always a healer/tank hybrid. But if i remember anything about EQ is that its EQ and not another MMO.

[CrowsNest]

well i had barb war in mind but nm thanks nano lol cleric it is

[Nanolian]

well i had barb war in mind but nm thanks nano lol cleric it is

Lol, you're welcome? xD

[Nanolian]

So I guess nobody has these items?

[Scavrefamn]

There are a lot of beggar threads for some reason.


There were tons of beggars on live during 1999 too so I guess it's faithful to the experience, Lol.

[Nanolian]

There are a lot of beggar threads for some reason.


There were tons of beggars on live during 1999 too so I guess it's faithful to the experience, Lol.

Not sure what you're getting at here. I did not ask to get these items handed to me. I'm geyting sick of being called a beggar.

[Lorraine]

The main problem is your friends will all be level 50 and you will be level 37 or so. So you can't group with them. A Tank has to be the highest person in a group to be good. They can't hit Red mobs to them to save their ass. So DPS goes to shit and so does agro and so the Cleric and Chanter dies. And then you are a no good horses ass.




That is partially true and only applies to warriors.

Paladin / SK agro doesn't depend on melee damage anyway. If a Knight class wants agro, they will have agro unless you start blowing malet charges on a mob (or actively try to contest agro as an enchanter/shaman anyway).

Spell agro will guarantee a mob will stay on the knight class for the biggest part. Melee dmg / weapon-spell procs just make it a little bit easier.

And last but not least, agro management in a group isn't entirely a tanks responsibility.

Simply put nowadays, people cba and just root-tank anyway. That's why you see monks filling up tank spots in groups. Just the fact that they can fill in those shoes, it doesn't mean it's the best group-role for them.

[webrunner5]

That is partially true and only applies to warriors.

Paladin / SK agro doesn't depend on melee damage anyway. If a Knight class wants agro, they will have agro unless you start blowing malet charges on a mob (or actively try to contest agro as an enchanter/shaman anyway).

Spell agro will guarantee a mob will stay on the knight class for the biggest part. Melee dmg / weapon-spell procs just make it a little bit easier.

And last but not least, agro management in a group isn't entirely a tanks responsibility.

Simply put nowadays, people cba and just root-tank anyway. That's why you see monks filling up tank spots in groups. Just the fact that they can fill in those shoes, it doesn't mean it's the best group-role for them.

I will agree with you on some points. But a Pally can not be a Ogre. So they get stunned. So guess what no spell cast while stunned or weapon proc. Then there is resists. In Velious a lot of mobs can not be rooted.

When Velious comes out no Ranger or Monk is going to Tank Velious mobs. We will all be hoping for a Ogre tank to stroll by then lol.

[Lorraine]

I will agree with you on some points. But a Pally can not be a Ogre. So they get stunned. So guess what no spell cast while stunned or weapon proc. Then there is resists. In Velious a lot of mobs can not be rooted.

When Velious comes out no Ranger or Monk is going to Tank Velious mobs. We will all be hoping for a Ogre tank to stroll by then lol.



Not sure what you're trying to portrait here. Again, knight classes aren't dependant on melee damage. As a matter of fact, they can tank without turning auto-attack on.

Yea, paladins don't have frontal stun immunity. But they can generate enough agro while the mob is incomming to the group that even if they get stunned right on the bat (and we do have avoidance skills in case you forget that) they can pick up right where they left of without any issues.

Spells, even if they get resisted, generate enough threat to maintain agro. People on this server are simply not used to having a proper knight tank in their leveling groups. I can tell by the number of shamans/enchanters I've grouped with, that in the first couple of pulls they will come up to the mob I'm tanking and stay next to it while they try to slow it. Or they will root a mesed mob before I would actually move next to it, to tank it. And all of them stoped doing it after they saw that the mob would not even look at them.

People just worry about this exp penalty all too much. When actually, if you have a good knight tank in your group, the exp flow can be a lot faster when compared to a warrior tank. There are simply too many tools at our disposal to save the day.

Knight classes aren't designed to tank 100k hp hard hitting quading bosses. And it's supposed to be that way, as well. But right now, they can tank mobs like Innoruuk or Faydedar / Severilious etc etc just fine.

Frontal stun immunity was never a mandatory ability to have. It's nice, but not the end-all-be-all for end game tanking.
Proof? Furor was a human warrior iirc.

[Splorf22]

Paladins are actually pretty good in a group as Lorraine and Deajay have pointed out. As an Enchanter I always enjoyed grouping with a paladin cause I could go for immediate tash/slow while with a warrior aggro was always more dubious. Playing a warrior has made me appreciate even more just how much warrior aggro sucks. Taunt is borderline broken (I'd say it works no more than 50% of the time even on light blues, and even then the rogue will just jump you in the hate list on his next attack anyway). So basically you need a lot of dex (impossible for my iksar without planar armor) and two proccing weapons and pray that the RNG is kind to you. But yeah every time the shaman slows the mob goes running off to him - that just isn't the case with a Paladin or SK tanking if they know what they are doing.

The problem with being a paladin is that your toolkit is just a lot worse than SKs. This ridiculous dot/hide/cos pulling (don't get me wrong, I've abused this as much as anyone) is indeed classic but it utterly trivializes things. It's just ridiculous that an SK can pull the spore king to the tube room where he can be trioed; when I was playing in the spring people actually camped AT the king's room and it was a lot harder (well anything is harder compared to afking for 25 minutes between spawns).

Also with the fierce competition at the high end pulling mobs fast away from their guards is a lot more important than if you had the time to just clear everything. I actually think that if I could take Cazic with 12 players (60/good gear obviously) even with that retarded death touch mechanism if I had the 2 hours it would take to clear the entire zone and draco and all the golems before engaging; instead its frequently a zone disconnect/wipe with 40.

Meanwhile stuns/off healing/off tanking just isn't that important on the raid scene. I'm not saying its not possible to be effective on a paladin, but its not as easy as an SK.

[NenshouStar]

well, to be constructive, i would suggest bumming a port to Gfay,
orc it out until you're 10-12 ish? or at least get your spells and tire of them,
whilst selling/turning in those belts, for some odd bits of leather and gold,
by the time you're done with crushbone, you should have enough PP banked to buy a somewhat decent weapon, with which to bear along side you for your journeys to Unrest.
there you will find oodles of undead baddies to slay with your uber holy skills,
and bronze armor drops here too, so yeah.. there you go.
haha and you should honestly be fine there until at least 25-30ish,
if you're feeling adventurous or just, wanna stick to antonica, you could always try Befallen, (a low level dungeon just off of WC) lots of undeads there, dunno how long you can stay though. humm, Najena would be pretty cool as well, aside from undeads,
you can just rough it out with the orcs/dervs, oasis crocs, guk, etc.

if you build it.. the gear will come.

[Nanolian]

So far I'm killing dervs, and 25% into level 12. To those passing druids, I love you.

[webrunner5]

All I can say is if Paladins are so great why are there like 4 of them on this server above level 50 on average???? Why do they drop out more than any class on here??? Because they suck just like a Ranger does on here.

I like both classes very well. But they totally just don't work out on here on average. Lorraine I still agree with you on a lot of things, not the Caster root thing. No Cleric or Enchanter is going to risk Rooting a mob above 80% or even near it. Root is one of the biggest agro generators in this game. I think it is your job as a Tank to control agro. As a Cleric I am setting on my ass to med not Root. And as a Enchanter if I get hit I die. And it sounds like you know how to play a Pally very well. But the facts are very few people wants to play them long term.

[username1337]

Idk....that helmet after lvl 45 is niceeeeee

[Nanolian]

Alright, got SoTM, ghoulsbane, deepwater helm, boots, gloves, vambs. Still looking for bracer if anyone has, legs too, but I doubt I can afford those.
Special thanks to my friend and thanks to those that sold me the items.