Is Diablo 3's release this summer going to seriously hurt our population? [Archive]

Grozmok

03-21-2012, 07:59 PM

I give better than even odds that it will kinda suck.

I will bet you 50k pp on blue that it will be an overwhelming success.

We're talking about Blizzard, a company that has cancelled multiple titles (Starcraft: Ghost for the naysayers) in the past because it wasn't up to their standards. Hundreds of thousands of dollars spent on development only to be completely scrapped. A company that clears $1b annually, easy. They've got cash to burn and have no reason to release a shitty product.

I'll take that bet.

Scavrefamn

03-21-2012, 08:13 PM

for about a month, not more
blizz did everything possible to ruin D3 experience for many of us (must play online, RMT sales etc)

This.

The only real threat to Project 1999 is Guild Wars 2.

Hagglebaron

03-21-2012, 08:15 PM

This.

The only real threat to Project 1999 is Guild Wars 2.

When is that out?

mwatt

03-21-2012, 08:45 PM

Minimal threat, though of course a small dip when it first comes out, while everyone gives it a whirl.

Why? Because most of us are addicted to EQ, that's why. A pseudo-3D action-fest, light RPG will be a nice snack at times, but for a real meal, most of use will be returning to the EQ-teat.

Jasonz

03-21-2012, 11:35 PM

I was watching some gameplay videos of the beta a few days ago and wasn't very impressed by it. You can check them out on youtube.

bizzum

03-22-2012, 12:15 AM

I will bet you 50k pp on blue that it will be an overwhelming success.

Success /= Good Game.

Its obvious its going to be a success, they already have a huge enough following to make the sales, and out of those millions there are enough who will play it and enjoy it.

Still doesn't make it a good game!

Velion

03-22-2012, 12:40 AM

I'm not going to lie, they could just re-release Diablo 2 with better graphics and I'll still enjoy the shit out of it. I've enjoyed every single game Blizzard has ever put out so I will be surprised if this is any different.

But I do agree with everyone else, it's a different type of game than EQ. It might cut down on my P99 playtime but it won't make me leave completely by any means.

Slave

03-22-2012, 12:58 AM

I will bet you 50k pp on blue that it will be an overwhelming success.

We're talking about Blizzard, a company that has cancelled multiple titles (Starcraft: Ghost for the naysayers) in the past because it wasn't up to their standards. Hundreds of thousands of dollars spent on development only to be completely scrapped. A company that clears $1b annually, easy. They've got cash to burn and have no reason to release a shitty product.

I'll take that bet.

So according to you, World of Warcraft is a wonderful game? I think we have completely different standards for excellence.

Swish

03-22-2012, 01:10 AM

So according to you, World of Warcraft is a wonderful game? I think we have completely different standards for excellence.

lol death knights... lol...

fipp

03-22-2012, 01:12 AM

One word..... YES

quido

03-22-2012, 01:31 AM

Release Velious on the same day duh

Lorraine

03-22-2012, 03:05 AM

So according to you, World of Warcraft is a wonderful game? I think we have completely different standards for excellence.

He said 'successful' , not 'wonderful'...

While the second is subject to personal opinions, the first is not. Numbers don't lie. Between the Warcraft RTS series, Starcraft RTS series, Diablo and World of Warcraft - Blizzard has been a dominant force all over the gaming scene.

Even DoTA has a bigger funbase/playerbase than entire companies would dream/envy of having - right now.

Kwitchercryn

03-22-2012, 03:25 AM

Wow was fun for a little while, then they dumbed it down so every 8 year old could understand it, and Pandas......really? I know they were in Warcraft 3, but really? With all the lore out there for that game, and Mists Of Pandora is what they pick? So so happy to be coming back to Classic EQ, a Real MMO.

Vostok

03-22-2012, 03:36 AM

Scavrefamn

03-22-2012, 03:52 AM

Ikonoclastia

03-22-2012, 04:13 AM

WoW success is similiar to McDonalds success. They both deliver a fast, convenient and cheap product which is fantastic for the instant satisfaction crowd. A sports analogy would be WoW = mini golf, EQ = real golf. I doubt any Blizzard game will deviate from that course.

Turp

03-22-2012, 04:20 AM

Release Velious on the same day duh

:D That would be nice

Slave

03-22-2012, 05:03 AM

He said 'successful' , not 'wonderful'...

Turnabout is fair play.

Kwitchercryn

03-22-2012, 05:23 AM

WoW = mini golf, EQ = real golf

Bazinga! :D

SCB

03-22-2012, 09:44 AM

I want my grim dark, bossfarming, hammerdin, smitepally torch soloing, cutthroat mentality diablo 2 back.
They have a weapon in d3 called " stab stab " XD LOL SO RANDOM XDDDD.
The biggest "joke" weapon in diablo 2 was Wirts leg, the fucking prosthetic leg of a dead child.

blizzard, you have changed.

Yeah, Cow Level sure was dark. Trading statues around was super dark. At no point in time were any of the NPCs humorous at all.

Diablo (any Blizzard game, really) has always had humor sprinkled in.

Even Diablo 1 was chock full of humor - an entire quest revolved around demons stealing a tavern sign because they thought it was magical. You meet a cowardly goat-man in a dungeon who is there solely for comic relief.

Feel the grim darkness!

Or maybe you mean really old-school Blizzard, like back in the Lost Vikings days. No part of that game was comedic, you're right.

Eldaran

03-22-2012, 09:59 AM

I always come back to EQ whether it was live or P99 for about the past year. Nothing satisfies my MMO hunger like EQ does. No game is made like EQ was. I am seriously debating not even playing D3. One of my good friends has been a hardcore Diablo player for years and years and he's not buying the game. That means I probably won't buy it because he would know better than me whats up with Diablo. They are making it too much like WoW and not enough like D2. Either way. P99 will be where I am for a while and the only game I even am thinking remotely about is Guild Wars 2 which we will have to see how well that does. I'm looking forward to the World versus World 3 sided pvp matches honestly.

Until then I'll be leveling my Cleric here and into eternity.

fischsemmel

03-22-2012, 10:08 AM

Wow was fun for a little while, then they dumbed it down so every 8 year old could understand it.

I hate people who bitch about WoW being easy as if 1) the entire game is easy and 2) any other MMO is any harder and 3) they could faceroll WoW heroics or HMs without overgearing and knowing the fights ahead of time and being in vent with a handful of RL friends.

SCB

03-22-2012, 10:11 AM

I hate people who bitch about WoW being easy as if 1) the entire game is easy and 2) any other MMO is any harder and 3) they could faceroll WoW heroics or HMs without overgearing and knowing the fights ahead of time and being in vent with a handful of RL friends.

Those who call WoW easy and demonize it either never did any content worth talking about or they equate "not grindy" with "easy".

Top-end raid content in WoW, even during the "easy" WotLK era is harder than any content ever released in EQ (this isn't really saying much, but it's always the hardcore "EQ SO HARD" people on this server saying it).

The bottom line is WoW was a fun game, but because every expansion shifted how it was played, it will always have a lot of detractors who preferred a certain style.

fischsemmel

03-22-2012, 10:18 AM

Even DoTA has a bigger funbase/playerbase than entire companies would dream/envy of having - right now.

Actually DotA's (paying/registered/active) fanbase is low compared to what Riot/League of Legends has.

I'm afraid your statement is rooted in ignorance, sir.

Actually, Lorraine's statement is 100% true. There are definitely entire companies that would dream of having a following the size of DoTA's.

Herp derp.

Kika Maslyaka

03-22-2012, 11:32 AM

+1 to the notion that WoW is not as "easy" as people tend it to believe.
cartoonish - yes, casual - yes, easy to level up - yes, no raiding competition - yes, anti-social (to a point) - yes
But high end raids are tough
SCB is right saying that Blizz keeps changing it around too many times, which causes people who played during vanila not to like BC, people from BC era not to like WotLK, etc.

I am not much of a WoW player (I have a free account thought, and occasionally like to log in to my mage and shot firebolts :D ) personally I really didn't like WotLK/Cata changes to talent system. I liked original freedom of picking up ANY talents I wanted, and talent picks determined the specialization. Being hard locked into a specific spec eliminated entire need for having a talent system.

However with MoP (Mists of Pandaria) they again changing the system from having lots of multi-rank talents into few but BIG talents. I think they moving into right direction, they just need to drop the forced spec, and allow people to determine their spec by specific talents instead.

I like the idea behind their monk class, and I think Pandarens are cool, but I can't forgive Blizz for killing my favorite char - Arthas/LK :(

joppykid

03-22-2012, 11:40 AM

I hate people who bitch about WoW being easy as if 1) the entire game is easy and 2) any other MMO is any harder and 3) they could faceroll WoW heroics or HMs without overgearing and knowing the fights ahead of time and being in vent with a handful of RL friends.

It is easy, I have quit two times during cata with BiS gear and sharded it so I wouldn't come back and within a week both times I have gotten better gear. Sure some of the fights require some people paying attention which sadly a lot of people that populate that game cannot do. I only raid in WoW again to play with my friends. When I am not raiding on there I play EQ.

Dullah

03-22-2012, 11:55 AM

I will bet you 50k pp on blue that it will be an overwhelming success.

We're talking about Blizzard, a company that has cancelled multiple titles (Starcraft: Ghost for the naysayers) in the past because it wasn't up to their standards. Hundreds of thousands of dollars spent on development only to be completely scrapped. A company that clears $1b annually, easy. They've got cash to burn and have no reason to release a shitty product.

I'll take that bet.

You're also talking about the same company that took WoW from its amazing classic and burning crusade era to the mess that it is today.

Blizzard is dumbing down video games to be playable by infants. Its already confirmed pvp wont be in to start, and frankly from everything I've seen, the game is a last ditch effort to cut their losses.

Grozmok

03-22-2012, 12:40 PM

So according to you, World of Warcraft is a wonderful game? I think we have completely different standards for excellence.

No.

This post made me lol.

Success has absolutely nothing to do with a game being wonderful, as that's subjective.

Bottom line and revenue being generated is concrete, subjectivity and opinion is not. I think WoW launched as a decent, highly polished MMO. Since then, it's catered to lazy players with low IQs (the latter being my opinion) and lowered the bar for humor to clear cut pop-culture references, fart jokes and poop quests.

Fantasy MMO is srs bsns.

:rolleyes:

He said 'successful' , not 'wonderful'...

While the second is subject to personal opinions, the first is not. Numbers don't lie.

This.

I hate people who bitch about WoW being easy as if 1) the entire game is easy and 2) any other MMO is any harder and 3) they could faceroll WoW heroics or HMs without overgearing and knowing the fights ahead of time and being in vent with a handful of RL friends.

In WoW's defense, I will state (with my fairly limited knowledge of the game post Burning Crusade) that the early raids were a challenge and required some thought/teamwork to complete. You can't look at the game now and tell me that the current WoW development team (both expansion and live teams) haven't trivialized pretty much everything within the game that makes an online/persistent world challenging/compelling/engaging/feel large.

Things like travel time, reliance on other players, attachment to the outcome (think death penalty) and so on have all been watered down or removed altogether because the lazy majority have cried it out of existence.

There's a reason I'm here on an emulator server playing a game that is over thirteen years old.

:confused:

Lorraine

03-22-2012, 12:51 PM

You're also talking about the same company that took WoW from its amazing classic and burning crusade era to the mess that it is today.

Blizzard is dumbing down video games to be playable by infants. Its already confirmed pvp wont be in to start, and frankly from everything I've seen, the game is a last ditch effort to cut their losses.

It's called 'Gaming Evolution' or 'Evolving' or 'Progressing' or which ever fancy word you want to attach to it. And it also has a lot to do with marketing a product. Blizzard is a huge company, and as a company, first and foremost goal is to make profits.

It's a different generation. When Everquest came out in the late 90's how many people had access to the Internet? How many people had access to credit cards to begin with? And were able to play such a game?

As the years went by, PC games lost a massive amount of supporters. Entire genders of games practicaly disappeared. Platform games for PC? Why the hell would anyone develop that when you had consoles to compete with. The only games that were able to survive (due to cult fanbase) were adventure / RPG games.

TSR being absorbed by Wizards of the Coast, which in return was absorbed by Hasbro (huge move into the RPG scene, since a lot of copyrighted material belong to these companies). Tradeable card games to cater to lower age consumers. Look at how much time even middle school students spend on the internet now. Each household has multiple computers and fast Internet access now is so easy to get (cables). Games are following this trend and are/will be marketed to attrack the younger audience.

tl ; dr ? Three words.

'Follow the money'.

maahes

03-22-2012, 12:58 PM

I will bet you 50k pp on blue that it will be an overwhelming success.

We're talking about Blizzard, a company that has cancelled multiple titles (Starcraft: Ghost for the naysayers) in the past because it wasn't up to their standards. Hundreds of thousands of dollars spent on development only to be completely scrapped. A company that clears $1b annually, easy. They've got cash to burn and have no reason to release a shitty product.

I'll take that bet.

Just thought you would like to know. Blizzards is now Activision-Blizzard. So your opinion and the past presidents that Blizzard demonstrated are no longer valid in anyway. Activision is the boss now.

Haul

03-22-2012, 01:06 PM

I've seen the end game on this server. To be honest putting my dick into a meat grinder is more fun than competing for raid targets here.

This. Also most of the people posting here negatively about Diablo 3 either havn't done their fair share of research, or didn't play Diablo or Diablo 2 to truely appreciate the series. Diablo 3 is gonna be freakin amazing and those who say otherwise are narrow minded. Real talk.

http://www.maxfreak.com/diablo3/images/diablo-3-announcement.jpg

Grozmok

03-22-2012, 01:10 PM

Just thought you would like to know. Blizzards is now Activision-Blizzard. So your opinion and the past presidents that Blizzard demonstrated are no longer valid in anyway. Activision is the boss now.

Precedents?

But yes, I agree they were purchased by Activision. I cannot speak to how that has/is/will alter the original company but I'm pretty sure the people at Blizzard are smart. Smart enough to strike a deal with Activision to keep their retarded publishing hands out of the game development side of things.

Just a thought, anyway. Since I don't work there or have any contacts that want to share, I have no way of knowing.

Ephirith

03-22-2012, 01:22 PM

Honestly I've become so jaded over a lifetime of gaming that it's getting harder and harder to find new releases appealing.

So many games lack depth, complexity, or any form of innovation. I tried to play Mass Effect 3 and literally got bored after 5 minutes because it's just the same shit I've played 100 times before. I didn't have to think, I didn't have to make choices, or take risks, or analyze anything.

I look back very fondly on my time playing World of Warcraft, but mainly up to and through Burning Crusade. Before cross-server dungeon queue's you actually had to find and talk to real people, organize a group, and travel for 15-20 mins to get where you needed to go. I remember how many times I had to form a group to go through BRD, and there were always people who had never done it before, and I had to guide them and explain things. Pulls had to be CC'd, there was a specific strategy to get through the Lyceum without getting zerged by swarms of dwarves-- it was never certain that we would make it to Emperor, and it was a several hour investment even if we did. It wasn't a matter of collecting enough badges to get your guaranteed gear; you were at the mercy of droprates, and when you finally got that item, there was a much larger sense of accomplishment.

With Wrath, that became a 30-minute romp through heroics AoEing everything the whole way. People considered a group that had to CC a shitty group. Eventually you didn't even have to put the group together or use the summoning stone.

People think that they don't want tedium, or massive time investment. Even casual players will say that they want to be catered to, but I don't think it pans out that way. The more you remove the challenge and exclusivity from the acquisition of gear, the more you remove the sense of accomplishment for everybody, whether you play for 2 hours a day or 12. I think WoW's subscription numbers will attest to that-- the destruction of WoW's American playerbase directly correlates with the trend toward class homogenization and the removal of substantial time investment for content.

The game was far more convenient, but I don't think it was more fun for most people.

Also, I'd like to know how many people who claim WoW was easy were successful in Arenas, where the challenge is dictated by other players. (Class composition shenanigans excluded).

P.S Look how many of Diablo 3's abilities are copy/pasted from WoW. Disgusting.

bounky47

03-22-2012, 01:27 PM

It's hard to even say that diablo 3 is going to be an amazing game. Some of you think its going to fail because of rmt which is absurd. The previous titles had a gigantic market outside of the game (diablo 1 lasted until everyone and your mother used the easy during method).

You don't like one new aspect or one thing that they removed? Cry me a river~~~~~~
Once people are able to open the box and explore its contents, then speak that peace. Also, beta counts as a small peppermint candy

desj16

03-22-2012, 01:58 PM

P.S Look how many of Diablo 3's abilities are copy/pasted from WoW. Disgusting.
You could say the same thing with WoW from Diablo 2 :)

To get back to the topic...

I've enjoyed my limited time here, and I'm sure I will enjoy Diablo 3 when it comes out (how long that enjoyment lasts remains to be seen). I don't think the two have to be mutually exclusive.

Sularys

03-22-2012, 02:12 PM

WoW IS easy now, too easy. Compare it to release up to 1.9 was released and you'll see that WoW was much more challenging that it is now. And now Pandas and Pokemon... really?

Diablo 3 will be an awesome game. I've been playing the beta since they kicked it off and I'm absolutely loving the game. I don't particularly care for the Monk class and wish the Paladin was back in, but it's an absolutely awesome game in my honest opinion. I'm enjoying unlocking all the achievements possible during the beta and just taking in some new Diablo gameplay as I've played the hell outa the first two, and then some. Sure, it doesn't have the offline playability that the first two had but oh well, everyone I know has an internet connection (with the exception of my own place, but that's what my phone is for, instant net connection ftw!).

But I think people are overthinking things. I doubt much is going to effect the population here. Sure, it may fluctuate some as games are released but I'm sure it will normalize after a period of time.

Guild Wars 2 effecting anything is much to laugh at, at least imho. But to each his own :)

Alex

03-22-2012, 02:14 PM

This. Also most of the people posting here negatively about Diablo 3 either havn't done their fair share of research, or didn't play Diablo or Diablo 2 to truely appreciate the series. Diablo 3 is gonna be freakin amazing and those who say otherwise are narrow minded. Real talk.

http://www.maxfreak.com/diablo3/images/diablo-3-announcement.jpg

This would be more believable coming from someone who wasn't banned

Barkingturtle

03-22-2012, 02:16 PM

Project 99 is a retro, nostalgia-fueled server.

I think it's safe to assume the population will be largely unaffected by any new release, let alone a non-mmo.

Scavrefamn

03-22-2012, 02:18 PM

Actually, Lorraine's statement is 100% true. There are definitely entire companies that would dream of having a following the size of DoTA's.

Herp derp.

I've noticed people who say "erp" tend to be simps.

Look up Riot/League of Legend's numbers.
You're welcome.

Cars

03-22-2012, 02:22 PM

I was outraged when I heard about the RMT auction house for D3 to the point where I said I wasn't going to play it. Then I loaded up Diablo 2 and every game I created would have 3-5 random bots jump in and flood your screen with websites and crap to buy stuff from with a bot coming in every 2 minutes or so to flood your screen again and again. Now I am all for it, I won't be spending real cake on in-game items but if it gets rid of that shite then giddy-up

Grozmok

03-22-2012, 02:42 PM

I've noticed people who say "erp" tend to be simps.

Blanket generalization anyone?

Haul

03-22-2012, 02:47 PM

This would be more believable coming from someone who wasn't banned

Ya because that is a rational statement? LOL. Eat a dick.

Silentone

03-22-2012, 03:11 PM

Release Velious on the same day duh

This

Slave

03-22-2012, 03:11 PM

Success has absolutely nothing to do with a game being wonderful, as that's subjective.

You should really go back to the very beginning of what I said and try to read it for the first time.

Grozmok

03-22-2012, 03:36 PM

You should really go back to the very beginning of what I said and try to read it for the first time.

I read it again.

I guess your point is going to change with time?

I'm confused.

Gwence

03-22-2012, 03:41 PM

Im going to quit my job and start a D3 house for impoverished people to make me money - please let me know if you want in on the ground floor and we can put those koreans in there place

Slave

03-22-2012, 03:54 PM

I read it again.

I guess your point is going to change with time?

I'm confused.

Everyone saw that I tried, right?

Chronoburn

03-22-2012, 04:10 PM

Grozmok

03-22-2012, 04:27 PM

Everyone saw that I tried, right?

Dude, instead of trying to shame me publicly to make yourself a hero, why don't you help me understand your point?

:rolleyes:

Eldaran

03-22-2012, 04:41 PM

Dude, instead of trying to shame me publicly to make yourself a hero, why don't you help me understand your point?

:rolleyes:

Trolls don't help you do anything. No offense to my friends in Innothule!

Hitchens

03-22-2012, 04:41 PM

The only game that could pry me away from P1999 would be Secret World, and there's no telling when that will be out. Even then.... may just end up sticking with this.

I don't really like new games.

Eldaran

03-22-2012, 04:43 PM

The only game that could pry me away from P1999 would be Secret World, and there's no telling when that will be out. Even then.... may just end up sticking with this.

I don't really like new games.

I really feel you on that one man. This server is the only MMO that feels like home to me right now. I haven't felt home since I played back in live. I've always been searching but realized I most likely wont see a new release that feels like Everquest. Might as well just play Everquest the way I remember it right here.

Lorraine

03-22-2012, 04:48 PM

Even DoTA has a bigger funbase/playerbase than entire companies would dream/envy of having - right now.

Actually DotA's (paying/registered/active) fanbase is low compared to what Riot/League of Legends has.

I'm afraid your statement is rooted in ignorance, sir.

Look up Riot/League of Legend's numbers.
You're welcome.

http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/4086/3563d05a.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/850/3563d05a.jpg/)

gloine36

03-22-2012, 05:47 PM

I'm waiting for EQ Next personally. However, grad school and a full time job suck the time away so for the next seven months no game can pull me in.

Grozmok

03-22-2012, 06:12 PM

I'm waiting for EQ Next personally.

Maybe third time's a charm? So far everything from SOE after EverQuest has been a failure.

(That also includes Brad McQuaid and Jeff Butler's attempt at creating the next spiritual successor with Vanguard)

Vostok

03-22-2012, 09:10 PM

Look at the general atmosphere tho. Those cows only purpose was to fuck you up with giant ass halberds. I just get a terrible feeling about this one.

Fwank

03-22-2012, 09:15 PM

Fact, any true gamer will play this when it's released

Galanteer

03-22-2012, 09:37 PM

Fact, any true gamer will play this when it's released

Guess I'm not a 'true' gamer then. Wonder what I've been doing the last 30 years....

Didn't like #1, never even saw #2, and likely won't see #3.

jbs89

03-23-2012, 04:30 AM

I'm like #1 Conc Barb and ghost on East. Just google ImperiumExDeus.

Flunklesnarkin

03-23-2012, 04:40 AM

I've seen games hyped up enough through the years.

I'll never pre-order a game again.

Always do a trial on a game before you buy it... most end up being crap anyways.

no matter how good the reviews are (or how bad) just better to test first.

I got a bin full of games i've bought.. installed .. tried for a few hours.. then never played again lol.

and to people spouting off about beta's... no a beta isn't a free sneak preview of a game.. it's them trying to work out bugs.

however you can tell a game will be crappy if they don't actively respond to beta feedback and fix major flaws.

Fwank

03-23-2012, 07:59 AM

a "true gamer" will pirate this shit.. play it for 2-3 hours. See its crap and switch back over to League of Legends or P99 or whatever, without missing a fucking beat..

Like I said, any true gamer will PLAY it.. I didn't say like it. Everyone posting on here will at least try it, or have already played the beta.

skorge

03-23-2012, 08:05 AM

Every potential big-name game takes away from the population of P99, as will D3. This holds true for any MMORPG, though. D3 will take away population from WoW, EQ2, Rift, etc as well. Ultimately though, it will not seriously hurt P99's population.

Messianic

03-23-2012, 08:13 AM

Guess I'm not a 'true' gamer then. Wonder what I've been doing the last 30 years....

Didn't like #1, never even saw #2, and likely won't see #3.

Diablo 2 was really addicting. D3 will definitely be worth a try - although my computer sux and I really don't want to spend money upgrading it for D3, so I guess I'll wait till everyone else has already played it.

Striiker

03-23-2012, 08:34 AM

Meh,
I'll be passing on it. I loved the original Diablo back in the day as it allowed me to play with three other friends in a Dungeons & Dragons type world. I played many a night into the wee hours of the morning. I once only got 45 minutes of sleep and dozed off at work during a server install.. I played the game with others as well and when I observed the rampant cheating, I gave up the game and moved on. I never really got back into Diablo. I played Diablo II for a while but Everquest became my obsession in 99 and I rarely played much else..

I think we'll see a dip in the numbers online but I don't think it will last. Many of us chose to play on P1999 for reasons that will not be filled by playing elsewhere (be it on the SOE EQ servers or the other easier and less true to classic servers on the EQEMU list). Those regulars here will be around for the long haul..

jbs89

03-23-2012, 01:22 PM

Star wars didn't and like I said my d2 duelers are best of east. D3 dueling looks awful. Sc2 didn't keep me but I played sc1 for years.

Sularys

03-26-2012, 10:47 PM

I'm playing the D3 beta and love it. Most talk bad about it because they are expecting full game play and are stuck with basically a demo. I loved the first two and this one is just as awesome in my opinion.

tekniq

03-26-2012, 11:29 PM

i played d3 beta..instances are still whack.

Angkar

03-27-2012, 01:57 AM

I've seen the end game on this server. To be honest putting my dick into a meat grinder is more fun than competing for raid targets here.

Sounds like you need to come to R99 pal.

Kraegan

03-27-2012, 03:45 PM

I hate people who bitch about WoW being easy as if 1) the entire game is easy and 2) any other MMO is any harder and 3) they could faceroll WoW heroics or HMs without overgearing and knowing the fights ahead of time and being in vent with a handful of RL friends.

1) Compared to EQ, yes there were a number of things that were easier. For instance no real death penalties, no exp loss, rested experience, solo anything your level or above including elites with relative ease, little to no downtime.

2) ^

3) And yet you can go into Heroics and Raids with people that "know the fight", have vent, and every add on they need to beat the encounter and you can still wipe.

I like both games, but I think EQ is more challenging.