Aggro Radius and Proximity Aggro

[Ikonoclastia]

Hey,

Proximity aggro is basically aggroing a mob while inside their aggro radius but staying outside other socials mobs proximity aggro radius. When you do this the mobs not supposed to transfer aggro.

Been trying it and I can't seem to get it to work. Done a good search of the interwebz but its difficult to get 1999 info and I'm not sure if P1999 has the same.

If anyone knows how the mechanics of this work would appreciate it.

[fischsemmel]

What's DA?

[Ikonoclastia]

Theres direct aggro, proximity aggro and assist aggro.

Direct aggro - from damage you do to a mob.
Proximity aggro - aggro from getting too close, other mobs won't assist as it runs past, doesn't transfer.
Assist aggro - aggro that a mob with DA transfers to another mob. Assist aggro won't transfer to another mob.

I think thats correct.

[fischsemmel]

In light of that, I'm confused by what "in range of DA" means also.

[Ikonoclastia]

Sorry fixed it up to be more understandable.

[fischsemmel]

What you've described is definitely not how things work on p99.

Social mobs will assist onto you whether the mob you drag past them is aggrod onto you because of proximity, direct, OR assist/social aggro.

Afraid I don't know how it worked on live.

Having a hard time believing it was different than this on live. If it were, you would have been able to single-pull outdoor camps without harmony because you could just creep an inch forward at a time until you got proxy aggro of the closest mob to you, and then it would come alone.

[Ikonoclastia]

This is what I'm trying to work from - http://samanna.net/wiki/index.php/Pulling_Guide#Assist_Aggro_.28AA.29

[fischsemmel]

Guide seems like it was written later in the timeline than we are (will ever be?). I see mention of GoD.

More importantly, perhaps, is that his definition of direct aggro includes your defintions of direct aggro AND proximity aggro. "DIRECT AGGRO (DA) Arises when you attack a mob. Fairly obviously, when pulling, you must either do something detrimental to it, or go within aggro range if it is KoS." According to his definitions, you will get assist aggro onto you by dragging a mob you pulled with proxy aggro too close to the social mob(s).

[Ikonoclastia]

When Do Mobs Assist?
There are a number of pre-conditions that must be met before mob_02 will assist mob_01
They must be in assist range of each other
The mob_01 must have DA
They must be social mobs
Mob_02 must have Line of Sight to mob_01
You must be in pursuit range of mob_02
These are ALL required, before assist will happen. If you break any one (or more) of those pre-conditions, then mob_02 will not assist. This is the whole science of single pulling. There are many many ways to break on or more of these pre-conditions. Lets look at them one by one, and see what techniques a puller has to break them.
What I've been doing is progressively getting closer to a mob standing near another mob. Stopping to take into account the delay on aggro. And then moving a little closer. If the above is right then proximity aggro which isn't direct aggro should only pull the first mob.

[kazroth]

This is the whole point of the lull line of spells. It lowers their aggro radius... The two circles of aggro, centered on each mob, no longer overlap when they are lulled; this allows you to pull each mob separately.

[fischsemmel]

If the above is right then proximity aggro which isn't direct aggro should only pull the first mob.

You didn't read what I said!

The very guide you're looking at says that proximity aggro is one of the ways to establish DA. That guide's definitions of proxy aggro, direct aggro, etc., differ from the ones you've been using in this thread. See below:


Direct Aggro (DA)

Arises when you attack a mob. Fairly obviously, when pulling, you must either do something detrimental to it, or go within aggro range if it is KoS. This is called 'tagging'. As a bard I will usually tag with bellow or detrimental song (usually HoS), but sometimes I use aggro range pull too. This is never really an issue, but there are some nice tagging techniques, that I will discuss later. A mob that is directly tagged has a very different aggro to one that assists.

[Ikonoclastia]

This is the whole point of the lull line of spells. It lowers their aggro radius... The two circles of aggro, centered on each mob, no longer overlap when they are lulled; this allows you to pull each mob separately.
yeah I get what you are saying. although I think there are 2 circles on each mob so 4 circles overlapping, and not all necessarily the same?

What I'm trying to find out if the last part works, right down the bottom of the guide, where he says if you move just into range of a mobs proximity circle, but not into another mobs proximity circle, that the mob will aggro, however the aggro will be centred around YOU, rather then the mob and the mob will come by itself.

I can't get it to work but that doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't cus I generally suck at games :)

[Ikonoclastia]

You didn't read what I said!

The very guide you're looking at says that proximity aggro is one of the ways to establish DA. That guide's definitions of proxy aggro, direct aggro, etc., differ from the ones you've been using in this thread. See below:
Yeah I reread it and now understand that DA and proximitiy aggro are pretty much the same. That did help heaps.